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Showdown Episode 72 5-30-24
(upbeat music) - Welcome to Showdown, I'm Mark Casein. And it is Thursday, May the 30th. Joe. - I'm here. - I mean, that's an amazing date now for American history, you realize that? - No. - Well, wait, wait. You don't even know what I'm gonna say. - What's that amazing date for American history? - No, well, wait. I mean, here's the thing. Am I talking about the fact that the Cardinals rebounded to 500? Or am I talking about the verdict? - Are they paying you for advertising to go downtown and watch the Cardinals? - Well, I think they're playing in Cincinnati now anyway, aren't they? - No, they finished that series. - Oh, okay. - They went to go out of three there. - Yeah, okay. So, I mean, the bottom line is-- - Well, like the Cardinals know what the hell you're talking about, all right? - Can you-- - Go ahead. - But, I mean, aren't you a little shocked that they came all the way back to 500 and they're now in second place? - Well, shocked isn't the word for it, but it's, that's really irrelevant too, okay? That they're back to five, they should be. They should be, at least that. They shouldn't have gotten eight or nine games under 500 to begin with. - Isn't that the truth? - Okay, so look, we know that this is an historic day because May 30th, 2024, it looks like, according to me, that today is the day after all of these years that Donald will begin to pay the price, what do you think? - I don't know, but it's irrelevant to me. It's not an historic day to me. An historic day of September the 11th, December the 7th, those are historic days. Today is the result of a trial that's really, doesn't really mean anything 'cause I would imagine, no, I'm right, 95% of their people already have their mind made up regardless of the result of this trial, whatever this is, because I'm not quite sure I understand all the ramifications of their judges' instructions anyhow, but that's neither, doesn't make any difference what I know or what I think. It all depends on what the jury thinks and people, it's not gonna hurt Trump one way or the next or it's not gonna help Biden. The only thing Biden would have to worry about right now if a Democrat party would be three things, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, that's it. - That's it. No, those are the only three, but- - That's it. - Okay, but there are probably other- - The rest of the country doesn't make a damn. - Yeah, no, that's true, but there are other factors involving how women are going to vote that will- - I don't care about women, I don't care how women vote, I'm talking about three states, okay? Three states is what you got. The rest of the 47 don't, don't really don't count. So, all Trump has to win is one of the three and it gets really dicey for the Democrat party. He's gotta run the table on the three, at least the way it stands. Now, of course, we're some months away from the election, but that's what it's all, this trial isn't gonna do anything. - Well, no, this trial's only going to do one thing. - But- - It's going to allow people like me who have been saying, for eight years, that this man is a criminal, and that he has to be- - And what's your point in this case? Everybody knows who Donald Trump was to begin with. He hasn't done, he's just like President Biden. They have done nothing, ever, from scratch in their life. Biden sat on his ass since he's done, what, 32, in politics, nothing, doing nothing. He has Trump inherited it all from his old men with financial tricks, but he's really created a lot of business, but he's basically done nothing. About the only president that we've had that's done anything in my life, whether it's a couple. That's really wrong. Jimmy Carter has done John F. Kennedy, and of course, President Eisenhower. Those three have done things in my life. - In your life time, you haven't done much of anything. - In your lifetime, but you would include Franklin Roosevelt. - Well, that's the different. I don't know him and either do you. I wasn't even, President Truman was the person when I was born, you know? - But I'm just saying, you know enough to say that Roosevelt was consequential to the- - He was consequential because we were in the middle of a kind of economic contraction, which was gonna last forever until you hit the tweet. People don't even know what we're talking about now, until we hit that trough war, which we'll probably be hitting sometime soon in the 30s, the 2030s, we'll be hitting that somewhere along the line, which will pull us out of this because you know, and I know, as well as anybody, where the market hit what, 400 and 1929, it took the what, 1953 to get back to 400, it dropped from 400 to 40, and then to get back up to 400 to get it took what, 25 years? - Yeah. - And people can't get that, you know, can't even think in those terms. First of all, they don't know it. - No, they have no idea. They have no idea. But it's all going to the same routine. - But it's not even fair to do that until it's finished. But it's not even fair, which you know and I know, but no, no, no. - Listen what I'm talking about. It's not even fair to say what it was in that index and what it became, since there are stocks that were in that index from companies that no longer exist. - Well, there were stocks that index then that weren't there when that was founded in 1882. So it didn't really make any difference. - Well, it makes this difference. There are people out here who say, "If you just hold on, you'll be fine." Well, you wouldn't be fine in Bethlehem Steel. You wouldn't be fine in Woolworth. I mean, you wouldn't be fine in other stocks or Hudson Motors. I mean, you would not be fine. - Well, what Mark what we're talking about is getting rid of debt. And the easiest way to get rid of debt is just erasing the money. - Sure. - When the market falls from 40,000 or wherever it's gonna eventually go to down to, oh, I don't know, hit the number 10,000, where did that 30,000 bit more that's gone? It's evaporated. That's how you get rid of the success of inflation. And then the ramifications of that with social unrest and everything else. - By the way, it just came in here. It is in front of me, guilty of all 34 counts. Guilty. - It's really one thing and then that ties in 34. - Okay, he's guilty. Well, I knew that. I mean, there was no way they were gonna find him acquitted in a day and a half. So it was either guilty or a hung jury and they said they had a verdict. So it had to be guilty. So, okay, he's done. - No, he's not done. - Well, he, oh, he's done. - Why do you only numbers are gonna go up again? - Okay, that might be. - But he's done in American history. He's done. - What would you care about American history? - Well, I care. - Your history is only how old you, Jason. - No, I care. - You're in your center. He's watching history. Your history's gonna be another four or five years maybe. You know, your history's done. Who cares what people think 50 years from now? Besides from that point 50 years from now, we're gonna go through an economic contraction in a economic turn in this, well, in the Western world that it's gonna be, well, you can just imagine. - No, I can't imagine, and there are all kinds of interesting ways in which this will affect people that they have just no concept, but what it will do is it will bring into the United States somebody, like a Roosevelt, who will-- - No more. - Yeah, who will-- - No, unseen. Now, you're through the occasion. You're drinking the cool aid that Western civilization is actually gonna survive this, and it's not. Now, it's not maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but you look 20, 30 years off, it's gonna be completely disordered. We've already started this since-- - Well, it might be. It's probably, look, what you're saying in the broad picture is probably true. I mean, all you gotta do is think about, you know, everything that we've got could be buried underground 300 years from now or less. I mean, it could be. So, you know, I agree, that's all a fact. But here's the thing, in any time within our remaining lifetime, or even 50 years after that, I think that what just happened in that courtroom will guarantee-- - Oh, remember having that courtroom, that was all silliness. The trial was silly, all the intent, but look, it's bread and services. That's what we're given. The Democrats, this is a bread and a circus thing that makes them feel good, but it doesn't mean anything. That means absolutely nothing. The most effective president we've had in my lifetime. And you know who I think that is. - You think Barack Obama was? - I think I know Barack Obama's. You can give maybe a little bit of credit to Dwight Eisenhower, which changes right after World War II. But Barack Obama was still that philosophy, and you know you can't, people don't represent a philosophy. They can talk philosophy, but you can't beat the philosophy. And when he said, and he really has the deep belief in this philosophy to reframe, reorganize the United States of America, that's the path we're on. And it's incremental, it doesn't have to be overnight, but it has to be a long way. You can take a look with this student loan forgiveness right now. - Okay, but you and I know what's gonna happen with that. Joe Biden aside, those student loans were always going south. There is no way that the people who own, oh, on those student loans are gonna pay 1.3 trillion dollars. It's not going to happen, right? - Right, but that disorders everything. That disorders everything, because the average person that paid back their loans, that worked two or three jobs, or didn't take a veil of them at all and opened up their own business. But particularly the ones that paid it back, that's where the dislocation occurs. And people see that. And therefore it's gonna reorder everything in their mind on how businesses conduct in the future. Not to say, and I understand why we're forgetting, because we need that money that you ask the students that are forgiven right now, oh, it's gonna give me a chance to buy a new car and go to, I don't know, Acapulco, to do all sorts of different things with it. - No, well, they have no idea. - And then they're gonna spend the money. - Yeah, they have no idea. They don't know. - That's what you interview, and that's what they say. - Yeah, I'm just saying, they have no idea what any of this means to them. - No. - Yeah. - Because you've got one in life. - Yeah. - I don't blame it for feeling that way, but that's the way it is. - Yeah. - But you have to admit that what Joe Biden tried to do, which is-- - No, I wouldn't hear about Biden. It wasn't Biden, okay? It's not Biden. - Well, he's trying to help these kids. - You know how he didn't help? No, this had nothing to do with Biden. Nothing. Joe Biden hasn't had a clear thought, probably since I've known him and you've-- - Well, that might be true. - Well, this was about 30 years. - Yeah, that might be true. But look, there's $1.3 trillion in debt and he was smart enough, at least, or Obama told him that, you know-- - Oh, it wasn't the matter of Obama told us. - I'm just saying. - You have to help these kids, that's all. - And now it wasn't to help the kids. Don't get, you know, you can make a case that it was to buy boats than Obama, but it doesn't make any difference. Anyhow, you're right. That money wasn't gonna get paid back, all right? That was gonna be, and since they could not, under most of the cases, file for bankruptcy, under most of those loans you put, it was gonna put a lot of those debtors, not the debtors, but the creditors into severe risk. So you have a two-edged sword here. You got money now going back into the economy that they didn't have to pay back on these loans, okay? That's number one. Number two, you've got an ideology that you could, within the American psyche right now, that you don't really have to follow any laws. - Well, no, I think that's the, I think that's one of the things about what just happened today. You do have to follow the laws because the laws-- - What was going on, Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark, what, that was a debt trial didn't mean anything. That was a concoct, yeah, but if you followed it, and I followed it really close on the day-to-day test, it didn't mean anything. - Well, it means the same thing it did for Al Capone. - President Clinton-- - No way! - On Club President Clinton-- - Forgetting Clinton, try Al Capone. - Okay, yeah, you bring it up this court case, I tell you it needs nothing. - I'm bringing up the Al Capone. - Anybody's mind on this election? - What about Al Capone? - Al Capone was a criminal. - Well, that's not a criminal people. - Okay, and what about Trump? - Oh, can you see, you keep talking about Trump and Biden. We're talking about a philosophy now. - We are, I agree. But Trump is a criminal. - He's a New York realtor, and then you would better go out right now, and he better, right, better run that about, oh, I don't know, 2,000 of them in the city of New York right now, who do the same thing. - What about the Central Park Five? He wanted to execute them. - Oh, come on, that's all we're thinking. - No, I'm really-- - This is all garbage. You're missing the entire point. You look at where the country is in it, what power being changed, or if Obama put it transformed. - Sure. - In the process of it right now. - Yes, we are. - It's very slow, it's boiling the frog in water, incrementally cold water, bring it up the boiling, and that's what's happening now. And pretty soon, when you see this and you know and I know, the trees don't grow to the sky. This market could go to 50,000, or it could go to 15,000 on a whim, and we wouldn't even know why. - Yeah, or 1600, but that's okay. - Or 16, 1600, yeah. - Yeah, but look, what you've got, for example, let's take Social Security. - Oh yeah. - And do you think, in 50 years, that old people will be getting Social Security, or will they be-- - I don't know, and you know what? I don't care. - Well, they will be. - No, but I don't care. - Because of this? - Yes, it makes a difference to me now. Look, first of all, you say Social Security was, what was it when it began? But what was it called? It was called OASI, OASI. - Right, right. - All the age survivors insurance. Okay, it was not a Ponzi scheme, like it is now. They didn't tap on it, you know, aid to defend it, kill all the rest of this stuff, to the widows benefits, and everything else, and disability, none of that stuff was on it. It was a Ponzi scheme once the great society started, and they started tapping on, tapping on, and then the Republicans got on board, you know, they got on board with this large S, and started doing the same thing. It's, you know, it's all complicated, but it's all part of the role downhill. But you can't take it away from these people now. I forget us. I'm just talking about, for the next 50 years- - What in the, print the money, Mark? - Well, we- - That's not your money to give them, it won't mean nothing. I mean, the biggest theft in the world right now is the tax in the world is this inflation. I mean, so somebody's making $10,000 a year, but it's costing them $2,000 a year more to operate than they did the year before, that's a tax age. - Well, the inflation is only- - That's 3%. - Well, what? - 3%. - It's not, it's 3% on top of the other 15, 20%, that it's already did in the last two years, and it's still growing. We're not talking about the last year, or what it is right now. - Okay, but for 20 years, it was almost zero. - That's right. - And they couldn't move it off a zero. They tried. - That's right. What happened was COVID. - And then COVID changed everything- - For the whole world. - But in there, in the- - For the whole world, the whole world. - Big form of not in there with the vaccines and all the rest of the crap. And money went the economy to keep the economy going, and now we've got this inflation. And you know it, and I know it. There was no way around it. I mean, it happened, it wouldn't probably happen if Trump was still pressed. - Correct, right. Well, there's one other thing that actually could happen because I think you make a good case that we both understand well, what could go wrong in the markets as far as, you know, a really a big implosion. And if that were to happen, if the United States government had any sense, they could step right in and issue 100-year bonds for 30 trillion dollars and it would all be gone. Our debt would be finished. - 100-year bonds. - Well, no, countries have done it. It's just a big mortgage, you know that. - Yeah, Mark, you and I were both in the financial, we were both stockholders back in the '70s when government bonds and stuff like that that had sold in the '50s for two and 3%. You know, for a cano or a thousand dollars. And by the time 1974 came around, they were worth, what, 400, 500 bucks interest rates. And by the time '79 came along with a prime interest rate went up to 21 and a half percent. They were down, I mean, it was like toilet paper, okay? So the same thing happens again, 100-year bonds. What are you talking about? Who would buy a 100-year bond right now? - People all over the world in a panic would put their money here. The United States, the United States dollar keeps going up. - I don't, I'm not so sure that that may be relevant. We may not be relevant anymore. - You know, I mean, I know you know, but I mean, the United States dollar keeps going up. People keep saying it won't, but it is. Why, why, why do people- - Yes, from what you said, it's called this in a movie. They're putting money in place, but see, that's how they get a raise too. They're gonna get raised in the same toilet bowl when it goes down. Yeah, they're not gonna be, they're not gonna be immune to that. - No, I agree. Listen, anybody goes out and buys our paper over the next three, four years. They could end up with, with nothing. But we, we as the sellers could be in the best position of anybody. - For what? - Well, I don't know if you want, you know. - That's what I mean, you don't know. - Well, you don't know either. I mean- - Oh no, but I don't care. - What's the main difference to me? - Yeah. - Well, what am I gonna do at 78, you know? I'm a, or it's the same thing, but maybe probably start drooling and dreaming of things that aren't gonna happen and talking to people that aren't there. I mean, I might be the same way. Who knows? - Well, if you're 28, you might end up like that, too eventually. - For me. - Yeah. - And a lot of people are at 28 or like that, no. - Yeah. You know, not that you care about this at all, but you know that they have found when they've done autopsies on people everywhere. That we're so loaded with plastic in our bodies. - Oh my God, stop it Mark. - Well, we are. We are. We're living longer by 25 years than people in 1940, okay? - That's true. - So what? They find plastic in an 80 year old body who wouldn't have lived to 59 or 62 who back in 1939 or 40, they deal. I mean, unless you wanna go in the Mediterranean diagon and move over to Greece or Italy or someplace like that and live long doing, I don't know what you do in Greece or Italy. - Okay, but at least we have the sense to stop bleeding people like we did to Andrew Jackson. (laughing) Can I tell you? - Now, this is supposed to be a conversation about the tribe, which I just-- - Well, I don't know if it's gonna be these three right now. - Look, this is a celebration. This is no conversation. - Well, I know to you, it's a celebration. It's a lot of other, see, that's the thing. That's the thing with the people that are all concerned with people. You're concerned either with Trump or they're considered with by. And those aren't even the issues. - No. - Either one of them. - Well, I'll give you one thing to see on the issue. - No. - What? - NATO. - That's irrelevant. - Well, I mean, Vladimir Putin would love to blow up everything. He threatens us every day. By the way, that's a good question for you. - Putin's obsessed with what, Mark? - Here's my question. You know what happened in 1963 or '62, when the missile crisis hit. - I was home, I was in high school. I came home, yes, I remember. - And you know how fearful everybody in this country was. And really at that point, nobody was threatening to do anything. And today, in 2024, Vladimir Putin threatens to use nuclear weapons against us. - Mark, Mark, in 1962, we were 17 years away from actually using an atomic bomb. Number one. - Correct. - Number two, they were in Cuba just 90 miles away, okay? And that's never happened to us before. So you can't-- - I was asking if they don't believe that stuff, they don't care. - Why do you think people today aren't even concerned at all? - Look, they don't have any control. They don't feel they have any control over it. And you know as well as I do, the thing is not gonna be with Russia or China. You know where this conflagration is gonna start, and it's already started, and there's no end to it. There's no such thing as a two-state solution to any of this stuff. This stuff has been going on for, well, since 600 AD, and it's gonna continue to go on forever. And that's just the way it is. - Okay, but you also know that certainly again, in our lifetimes, that what it's been, is every six, seven, eight years, the Middle East blows up and then goes away again. - Oh, no, Mark, every six, seven, eight, what are you talking about? - Since '48. - We're talking about every six, seven, eight years. If it doesn't make any difference, it's every 60 or 70 years. It doesn't make any difference. It's been going on forever. - Sure. - Okay? - Sure. - Constantinople, okay? - Yeah, I mean, just think. I mean, I'll go and go the mores. I mean, none of that stuff has been erased. It's all in play right as we speak right now. We just don't notice because we're all concerned with what? - Donald Trump. - What are we concerned with today? - Donald Trump. - Surfaces and bread, bread and circuses. It's the same thing, pickleball. I mean, look at this with pickleball. Now it's on teeth, everybody's distracting themselves with some sort of a feel-good health hobby that's exploding all over the world. What are we talking about? Pickleball. - Yeah, but what we're talking about is, which is so ironic, is you're sitting here laughing at it and you're the one that exploded it in Missouri. - I have no idea what you're talking about. - Yeah. - I mean, I know a lot of things, but I don't follow that. - Exactly. I mean, yeah, there are places in this country that have gigantic mouths, a tongue-sized pictures of you. - I don't know what you're talking about, but that's needed here and over there. But I'm just bringing up the fact that people are being distracted and they're by all sorts of things. And not that they always haven't been during the depression. The movies were a big thing. They were cheap, a nickel, a dime. You got to see a double feature. It kept people entertained while things were really bad. But things aren't really bad today. - No, they say they are. - No, we're distracted. - They say they are. People say, they say we are because we've had it so good. Now that you're paying to freeze something for gas when you paid a dollar and a half or something, five, six years ago, whatever it was, that's paying the people. - Okay, but you know that-- - You're paying the people today, the people that are involved today. Do they remember 1974? - No. - By the damn stuff. - They have no way to lie. - Which is a mile long. And then every other day, depending upon the number on your license plate, was whether you could fill up-- - For sure. - You know, people don't remember. - But what is that now? 50 years ago now. - That's the biggest 50 years ago. - 50 years. - Yeah, 50 years. - Yeah. - They ain't got about that. And that's what happens. - Well, they also can't believe, which I would say to you, and I think you'll agree, it may not last long. I don't know. But gasoline will get down to a buck 50, a gallon. I don't know, within a year. - I don't know. - Well, it could, right? - Well, it could do anything. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - I don't know. - Well, if the Dow Jones drops in half, do you think that the oil will go to a buck 50? I think so. - I have no idea what would happen then. There would be other considerations then that would be far more important if the Dow Jones Industrial Average shattered off 20,000 points. - Sure. - Or far more. I mean, most people are depending upon the equity in their home, or their 401K. Both of which would be destroyed instantly. - Instantly. - Everybody would be underwater in most of these homes today that they, I mean, I can go into a lot of examples on that. So can you. I mean, I think you get on this negative stuff on this, but you know, if you put it up-- - Well, it's not even that negative. - It's not even that negative. I mean, in the middle of the worst contraction that you've ever known for our country, for our country-- - No, it's the same. - No, no, the '30s. - Oh, yeah, yeah. - Okay, I mean, that made Joe Kennedy rich, right? - Well, I mean, there's stories. - He took his bootlegging money and sold short. - Yeah, but the problem is the market did come back in 1953 that it took 25 years for it to come back. And, you know, in between we had some rap, sure. But he was a wall, he was a manipulator in Wall Street. - Sure. - He was part of the Irish crowd that was disenfranchised from Wall Street. I don't want to get into all that. - No, that's all right. - That's all right. - We'll come back in a second here and do this, but I have to sell a couple of things here first, all right? - Okay, good work. - Yeah, very good. So in the first place, you know, I always, around 430 burger, I think, or I'm sorry, Joe, I think about dinner. I think about dinner. And one of the great restaurants, and I don't know if you've ever eaten here yet, but it's called Wenties. You ever been there yet? - No. - Okay. Well, that's at 18,000 Chesterfield Airport Road, and that's in Chesterfield Valley. And I guess one good thing about Wenties is that you and I never went there and killed any friends. - Not to that place. - Little would people know or even believe if I told them that you killed Steve Mizorini, but that's another story. - No, let's go into something else. - Yeah, but anyway, that was at another restaurant. But Wenties is a great restaurant in Chesterfield Valley, and you know, they've got wings. Do you eat wings? - If they're from a chicken. - Yeah, but do you? Do you? - Yeah, I said, oh, he's as long as they're wings from a chicken. - 'Cause I was gonna say, I'm not a wing eater at all. But they've got great wings. They've got smoked meats. They've got a patty melts and cheeseburgers and pizza and all kinds of good food. But I'll tell you what I do like is baby-back ribs. What do you think? - Had 'em the other day, two days ago. - See, there you go. So that's top of my list. And then the other thing that they've got that I really love, onion rings. - Okay. - See, so you gotta admit, some of my choices are not bad. Many are, but not here. - Now, exactly where is this restaurant? I don't just, you're a bit where. - It's Chesterfield Valley. It's just west of, you know, where Walmart and all those places are. So it's west of that on Chesterfield Airport Road. And it's right there. Now, there's another one. They just opened a new version of this, Wenties in Defiance, Missouri. I'm sure, I know you know Defiance, right? - No, I don't go to Defiance. - No, you know Daniel Boone's-- - You know Defiance is what I'm saying. - Yes, I know. - Yeah, 'cause you know everything about Missouri, right? - No, but-- - A lot. - I'll bet people on their knowledge of Missouri. - Exactly, exactly. So Defiance is what? Is that a Daniel Boone historic place? Is that? - You know, that's where he passed away there. - Okay. - It was his son, Nathan's home, and it still is there, and it's yeah. - Okay, so that's Wenties in Defiance. Very good. Okay, so now we're gonna move on. And you know, you and I are not big jewelry people, but I'll say this. There's a place, 4506 Hampton, which is Jules on Hampton. And you know, just like your Joe, well, Al is the owner of Jules on Hampton. They buy and sell coins and jewelry. They design jewelry. But here's the thing that you might be interested in. I don't know if they could do this or not. I mean, they fix watches. I wonder if they fix grandfather clocks. I don't know. But they fix watches. Anyway, so it's, but it's great of an excellent jewelry store. And they've got tons of jewelry. And the main thing is Al is just a good guy. His son, AJ, works with him. They're always there. And it's just the best when it comes to jewelry. And you know, like I say, I know you're not a jewelry person. You got a nice watch though? Do you? No, watches, when you can ask the other people for their time, it's also all on this. Mark, you know, that's all it is. Now it is, but I've got a 45 year old Seiko, gold Seiko watch, you know, that I got 45 years ago. So, you know, that's something that I like to keep working. Now, I always used to ask you for the time. I remember that. Yeah, that's all right. Okay, so anyway, that's Jules on Hampton, 4506 Hampton, and finally, you know that as long as you've known me, that I've been wearing these suits, right? Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I get them at the St. Louis suit company in Clayton. I do know that. You've told me about that for a long time. Corner of Forsyth and Central. And, you know, a lot of very famous people, in fact, many of whom were on the shows, that we have done over the years, shop at the St. Louis suit company. You know the names, I could go through it. You know, just lots of very famous St. Louisans have gone there, and that place has been there for 29 years. So, that's a good thing. Obviously, points went out of business. Probably since then, for sure, absolutely. And then here I am, you know, I got a nice tie on right now. You always have a tie. And I don't even, I think you know, these ties cost five dollars. Five dollar tie? Five dollars. They're silk ties, they look great. They look like 50 dollars. Think of the poor little boy that's making three cents an hour in China to make that tie. That's right. That's a good point. Think about the guy who used to sell ties like this for 50 bucks, who then ended up in bankruptcy and is now a guilty felon. Think about that. Yeah, there you go. Trump tie. Yeah, well, he's a felon now. Okay, again, - No, he really knows that scenario. That simply knows about it. - Yeah. - Give him up this case thing. - Okay. - This pours me. It's so trivial. - St. Louis Sioux company, they're in Clayton and they're the best. Okay, so we did a little business there. That's fine. - Oh, by the way, do you still buy three-piece suit? - Remember, we used to wear the broker attire, the costume, you know. - Sure. - The best and the pinstripes and that. (laughs) And all the rest of it, do they still, people wear best anymore? I'm down here in North Memphis, you know. - Right, more than North Memphis. - I'm really more close. - Right. - So, you know. - Yeah. - You give them four-three-piece suits. - I know. - The answer is, 'cause I know the answer. - Yeah. - No. - Okay. - In fact, I'll tell you what they wear. They don't even wear suit pants anymore. They wear sport coats. Sport coats are so hot right now that it is incredible. And they told me this down at the suit company the other day when I was there. And they're selling sport coats like crazy. And people, you know, they'll wear jeans and they'll wear other things, you know, underneath their jackets. And then the other thing is, which I think you know, I think you've seen that I wear chucks, you know, converse tennis shoes with my suits. That's- - What? - I used to wear wingtips. - Well, I did too. - I did too. But now it's fashionable to wear chucks. You know, if they call it- - What are those? I don't even know what that is. - Charles Taylor Converse. - Chucks. - Well, that's another, that's another, you know, bread and surface is sort of thing. - Yeah. - It makes you feel good or it shows you off to other people that, look, I'm hip at age 70, whatever. I love it. (laughing) - Yeah. - Just like me wearing this hat right now, you know? - Oh, that's good. - Except- - And those- - I actually did come in from outside. - And those sunglasses too. And those sunglasses too. - Oh, I forgot I had one. - Yeah. And by the way, well, because you're Joe. And let's not forget the one thing about you in contrast to the real Joe is that that hair on your head is really there. Nobody plugged that into your head, right? See? - That's true. - That's true. So, you know, but you know, you can talk a lot of things about Joe Biden. You can make up all the stories you want. - I don't talk anything about Joe Biden. - I talk about you. I talk about other people. You know, you can make fun of them. You can talk about, you know, they got a video out that's doctored where he's sniffing kids and all that stuff. You know, you can make- - Oh, that's what they do. I mean, that's play time stuff. That's important in politics, political crap that they throw back and forth, which means nothing. - No, it doesn't mean anything. - But you can't get away from guilty on 34 felony counts. I mean- - It's one count. It's one count. - I know. - It's one count. - You know, it's just like, it's just like me giving a marijuana cigarette to you and you shared it with somebody else. - Right. - You know, it's true. - I know, okay. - Yeah, so, you know, so the thing about it is, you're correct on this. So he'll probably only get, I'm gonna say one or two years. - And your point? - In prison. - Well, that's my point. - He won't serve in prison. I mean, he won't go to jail. - Oh, yeah, he'll go to jail. - No. - He'll go to jail. - No, the best thing Biden could do right now is use it just like he is and they can work with a judge 'cause the judge can send to them to anything he wants to, probation, parole, do all that. If Biden really wanted to win the election, now this is my opinion, I have no idea. You could pardon him right away. - And that would suck all the error on the road. - He could do that. He could do that. - But he can't do that. - Well, no, he could. - No, 'cause it's a state charge. - Okay. - Oh, I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, I'm sorry. No, I, no, you confuse me. You're right. They can't do it. But-- - No, but he could have it. He could have it done, trust me. - He could have-- - He could have it go to Hobo. - No, no, no, no, no, no. - No, no, no, no. - No, no, no, no, no. - He could have it done. - He could have it done. - He could have it done, he could win tons of votes back. - I would do it. - It wasn't gonna happen. - I would do it. I would do that. I think that's the best idea I've heard in a while. I would say that for sure. I mean, look, I have said all along that the Joe McCarthy day of shame would come to Donald Trump. - Wait a minute. Wait a minute. - And now it's there. - Look, that's just like comparing people to Hitler. - Apparently he's at the Joe McCarthy. - This guy is Hitler. - Oh my. See, that's where you get in trouble. You're talking about somebody. You're talking about Trump and people are talking about Biden. You know, you're talking about true people. Worry about, not worry about, but keep your eye on the philosophy where we're going. And that's where we're going is a place that most people do not realize where we're going. They think we can go back and you can't go back. - No, you can't. You know, I mean, the ship has already sailed and it's sailed 40, 50 years ago. It's sailed with Johnson and the great society and it's all incremental from that point on. Okay, and then we got involved in all Republican and Democrats. It's there's equal vote buying on both sides, particularly when it comes to OASI or Social Security, as you like to call it. When you call it that, they've been bought out into the policy scheme. And we think all sorts of things that the government can do for us. And you know, the last person you can remember what Kennedy said, that's not. Well, that's what made me a debt Kennedy Democrat forever. He was part of that, which I don't know what, what would Kennedy be today, a moderate Republican? I have no idea. - Hold on. You say that, that's not true. - I don't know. - No idea, but I do know. - That's not true. Look, I do know that what he said is not what the Democrat party stands on today. And neither the Republican party. So it doesn't make any difference. They're both gonna say it. - Okay, but John Kennedy talked about, you know, ask not, et cetera. And Donald Trump has given us the unified Reich. - Oh, now here you go with Donald Trump again. - I'm just saying this is what we've decided to. - Donald Trump is trying to take us back to, and you can't do that. - Well, we've already taken him back to jail. - We've already taken him back to jail. - Now, come on, Mark. - Okay, he's having a question about what we're trying to talk about. We're trying to talk about the nature and the transformants of the soul of this country is gonna, is changing, and you cannot go back. The younger people are eventually gonna be, so place all of us, and they will not have a memory of what it was like to have meritocracy. - No, they won't. - But a democracy has been wiped out in this country. - Well, but only eliminated. - But I'll say then. - And so, but the eliminated was mostly eliminated. - But we have the best chance of restoring some of that. - No, there's no chance anymore. That's, that's gone. - It's gone unless you're a physician, or an engineer, or a pharmacist, or something like where you could change some sort of specialty. But look, the Jews in Germany, back in 1930s, there were the physicians, the lawyers, and the big businessmen, how long did it take them to lose everything? - Yeah, and then get it all back. - How? - And then get it all back. - How's that? - They've got it all back. They lost everything in Germany. And then they, they walked out and got it all back. - No, they didn't get it all back. - Oh, no? - Did you get about 8 million people? - Oh, they didn't get that back. - No, but that's the point, Mark. - Oh, no, but I'm just talking about the fact that they walked out of Germany with nothing. - Oh, I mean, you're talking about money now. - Okay, well. - They're still in the same situation as they were then. - Yeah. - It doesn't make any difference, and if you don't believe that, and I told you that the day on the campus of Columbia University, 30% of those people in those were Jewish, which kind of confounds me that they don't understand river to the sea. I mean, I'm this lost. - Well, no, but if you remember, when we had that discussion, I also told you that Isra Harisi, who is the daughter of Ilhan Omar, was with those Jewish kids that were protesting, celebrating Shabbos and Passover. - Yeah, well, that doesn't mean anything either. - Well, sure it does. - No, it just means they're non-practicing, okay? Or-- - You're saying non-practicing. - I don't want to get into this conversation 'cause this is a complicated thing. And it's too complicated. Just remember, you can keep around Russia and China if you want to, but other places will. - Start things. - Well, I think they will. And I'm not really worried about Russia 'cause I never thought that they would use those nuclear weapons anyway. - No, it's not their best interest. What are you talking about? - Well, instead of China's best interest, you ain't got a goofy guy over North Korea, but guess what? That guy's got a Chinese news around his neck. - I didn't say China'll step on him. - Right, right, right. I don't worry about that group ball. - Right, and China has absolutely no desire to use anything because they want to make some money. - Well, they've got problems right now. - Well, they have problems that they're owed that they've got to solve and it ain't going to be starting any major point and taking over Taiwan, that might not be in their best interest either. Now, you can't equivocate what happened with Hong Kong and what may occur with Hong Kong. - No, you can't because they made a deal in Hong Kong. - Yeah, it was a pretty shitty man. - And they just follow the deal, that's all. - Yeah, that's all. - Yeah, so, you know, you're right. I mean, they just can't get their hands on Taiwan. The only way they could have is if Vladimir Putin had control about that. - No, no, well, he has nothing now. He just lost his guy. He just lost his useful idiot. His useful idiot just got found guilty of 34 count. - Here we go again. Now you're talking about, look, it's the same. Mark, it's the same. These countries are all together. - I mean, anything you want to talk about Russia, China, United States, and let's factor in another country too, that's kind of interesting, is India, which is going to be the largest country in the world in about what, another two or three years? - Yeah, but it's farce or past China. - But they do their own. - But they have problems. - What's that? - They have problems, big problems. - Oh, they've had big problems forever. They can't feed their people. - Correct. - This is a different situation. - Correct. - They were under British rule for so long that, anyhow, I don't want to get into that either. But all I know is when I have problems with the smartphone, this, and I call somebody, somebody in India answers. All right? - Oh, yeah. - Listen, I talk to India probably twice a week because when I call Dell and ask them to fix my computers which I have, they're all Dell computers, and they just, they take over the screen and they fix everything, no problem, and the story. Which, you know, anybody that buys a computer and doesn't have these Indian technicians available for, you know, in a minute to just come in and fix their computer, I feel sorry for them because I don't know what to do with a computer and I know you don't either, really, right? - Why do we have to? - No, we don't because I got a guy in India who'll help me. - Do you know how to make a suit? Do you know how to make your shoes? I mean, your son. - No, it's so funny. I dare you to try to, could you go out and barbecue baby back ribs yourself and make them edible? I don't think so, okay? - So, I don't think people do things for it. - Yeah, that is absolutely correct and you've got to pay them. But, I will say that I can definitely grill a New York steak, that I can do. - When you throw a piece of meat on a grill. - Yeah, I can do it. - You flip it after a minute and a half or two. - Flip it a couple times. That's it. - Okay, fine. - Yeah. - That's the other thing. Could you kill the cow? Could you shoot a bowl through its head and then gut the thing and then cut this? - No, no. - No, put it in the pot and put you to do that for it. All right? Well, they're down at Snooks waiting for me. - Well, they, Snooks is always waiting for you. - $14 a pound. - But it is not $14 a pound. - Which, by the way, is not much different than it was five years ago. - I don't know. - No, I know. I've been buying New York's strip steaks for forever. The prices isn't up that much. I understand- - It's a hell of a harbor. - It's cheaper having a gin habit than that. - Yeah, well. - You can buy a pot of gin for about three bucks, three and a quarter. And that would fix you up all day. - I think Russia's giving that stuff away with a barrel of oil. - So, you asked me on this show tonight because of this, whatever this trial thing was, we know he's guilty, which I expected. And then what? Everybody knew that. Now, and then everybody knows that the president's gonna come on the air tonight and he's gonna say a convective felon. But it's not gonna change one vote. If anybody tells you right now they're undecided, these people belong in a mental institution. Most people have made up their mind long before. - That's true. - Well, I can't decide whether, oh, Trump talks. He's a bad man. He's a crook. He's a liar. He's a womanizer. And then I got Biden, who's a cheat. Probably a thumb. His son is worthless. You can go through both sides of that. - Wait, I think you went way overboard on Biden. Because I thought-- - No, I didn't go far enough. Biden's worn a three-piece suit, which makes, and that's, you take him Cobra and put him in a three-piece suit and a bow tie, put a little hat on him, and that's what you got. - Only the Cobra is, I don't mean to, you know, in self-Cobras. They probably got a bigger brain right now. - I think it would be fair to say that Joe Biden is old and certain-- - I'm not going, I'm down with these kind of states. - I'm not talking about Joe Biden, we're talking about Barack Obama. - No way. - Well, fine, so let's talk about that philosophy. Because that philosophy really goes all the way back to Franklin Roosevelt, which really goes back to Teddy Roosevelt. - And who's all the way back to Greece and the Pope? - Okay, who's played that? - Okay, but I'm saying it also goes back to Teddy Roosevelt and those people with that view have done a lot to help this country. - Well, I mean, we're gonna go to the story again. This is all because of Ross Perot. Because without Ross Perot, William Jefferson Clinton would not have been president of the United States. - He wouldn't have had a second term for George W. - That's true. - And because he lost that way, that gave the sympathy vote to have somebody that was really not the best qualified, George W, he couldn't run Texas and he couldn't run a baseball team and he was elected president. - Nice guy. - Well, he wasn't elected. - Okay, so then you got rid of boys and then you-- - He was selected right into-- - He was selected right into President Obama. - Yeah, but George W was selected by the Supreme Court, not elected. - Well, that's, you know, that's the hand-in-chads and that was, what, 537 votes, weird, you know. - I mean, yeah, but there were probably 5,000 votes for Al Gore laying there. - Oh, let's not get into that or do it. - No, but let's get into this. This is one thing that we know for a fact that when Al Gore lost his final challenge, he got in front of the TV set and he said, I support our new president and all these other challenges are over because-- - Great. - Okay, and even Richard Nixon, when he was told that he could possibly overturn the election against Kennedy in Cook County, Illinois. - No, no, no, I understand. - We all know, he walked away and he said, no, we don't do that. - Yeah, well, but he knew that was time on his side, okay? He was a young man then, he was just in his late 40s. - Sure. - Time was on his side and then he went to California and all that, you don't have Richard Nixon to kick around anymore, then he came back and then it was all changed. But then you're talking about a different part. - But no one ever attacked the old waters. - No one ever attacked the Capitol, only one man. - He didn't attack. Mark, see, you're getting all, you're conflating everything with a bunch of goofballs, okay? That doesn't mean anything, what happened to Capitol. The problem with the Capitol, here's the problem with the Capitol, it wasn't guarded properly. If we were guarding at that then, there would have been a lot of broken heads. I would have not let anybody in that building without having their head smashed in, period. And that all fell through. There was no guards there and there was no nothing. They didn't do anything. They escorted the people around. They would have been broken heads. That's just the way, if I was responsible for keeping security in a place, that's what would have happened, period. And it would have stopped instantly, break a few heads, you'd have to do it. - Sounds bad. - But that's my point though, because Donald could have stopped it the same way. - Oh no, Donald, I don't even wanna go into that. - Well, it could have been to do with those goofballs. - He could have stopped it. - Oh, you, I don't wanna get into all this stuff with him. There is no law in this country right now. Period, there is none. - That's a problem. No, that's a problem. It's a huge problem. It's a huge problem, but today is the first thing that's happened that puts us closer to re-establishing the law. - Oh, come on. You don't be silly. It's a long bar. - I think so. I think this makes it even worse because this was totally a charade. But it doesn't make any difference. It satisfies a lot of things. It's gonna, you're gonna see in the numbers, come November, which way it's gonna go. You can't judge now, but you will know wherever. I don't even know how, I have no idea how this debate's gonna go. I mean, there's only so much fighting can do to, I'm talking to a convicted felon, you know. - That's right. - And that's not gonna change one Trump voter a bit. And the people that are undecided, they need to sit back and drink some Jack Daniels. And then maybe Toss starts in a picture. That's what they should do. - Yeah, but you're gonna have people, you're gonna have people who are not Trump people who are gonna be energized to vote against-- - I don't think so. - Okay. Well, listen. - I don't think so. - In November-- - I don't know any-- - I don't know any. I don't know anybody that's gonna be energized, one way or the next. I think they've made up their mind. They don't, here, it's gonna be based upon the economy. And you would have to agree with this. It's gonna be based upon inflation. - Sure. - Probably why. - Sure. - And that would, that'll probably be it. I mean, I mean, Carval was right, 40 years ago or 35 years is right now. You know, you don't wanna get involved in all this other stuff. It's social things. - Keep it simple. - Right. - Keeping it very simple. - Yeah. - So who's your guest coming on? Who's literally that next to you? - Well, Megan Green is supposed to be coming tomorrow if everything goes right. And I'm glad-- - What are they gonna talk about? Social theory or economics and why the city of St. Louis is going down the rattle or what? What are we talking about? - Well, I'll say this, which I would guess she won't say, but I might be wrong. I, you know, everybody's talking about getting rid of the personal income tax in the city of Missouri, in the state of St. Louis rather. And I would say it's now 1%, they should increase it to one and a half. - Well, then more business would move out. - No, come on. - They would already have more. - That half a percent would affect any amount. - They have gone. - Yeah, but they need that revenue to rebuild the city. They could rebuild the city. - Well, why would you want to? It's empty right now. What's the rebuild? It's all there empty. - If it's empty, you can take all that land and you can put people-- - Oh yeah, you've got a minute left. You've got to wrap this up. - I got two and a half. - Oh. - Yeah, I'm very good at managing time, as you are as well. - Well, my, my, my apple is different than you're on here, Apple, but that's okay. - Yeah, that's true. - I'm just, I'm looking at the on-air clock. We've got two minutes and 20 seconds, so we're good. - What time is it? Okay, I can get over there now. - Yeah. - I'm getting text, I'm doing texting. While we're sitting here doing this, then you're-- - No, you're probably-- - I got real fast on it tonight. - Because what you're doing probably is, is working on setting up the Olympic games for the next. - Actually, I'm setting up a thing with a number one, senior pick-a-ball player in the world. - I'm not so much out in the world. - Yeah, and if he's coming into town, if he doesn't kiss your ring, he might as well get out of town. - Why, don't get hysterical. - Yeah, you get over, and he's getting caught, by the way, I make some million and a half a year, and he's just-- - I believe it. - Are you gonna give him the top pick-a-ball player right now makes 200, two and a half million salary, and any endorsements he can make, which, God knows what those will be in the future, but-- - Are you gonna give him his own bobble head? - Yeah. Well, good luck with Megan Green tomorrow, and try to get Attorney General Bailey on sometime, and put me on with him. We'll have a conversation. - I think I could work that out. - Yeah, well, Bailey will. He needs it, he's runnin', you know, he's runnin' for Attorney General's first thing. - He's gonna be running. - Well, he is running. - No, I don't-- - Yeah, I'm sorry, I don't have a few. - Now, there's a guy I wanna ask a few questions to, just play conversation, okay? - I'll work on that for near-term. Okay, it's time now to disappear, so. - Okay. - With the help of Wendy's and the St. Louis Sioux Company and Jules on Hampton, we were able to come here and have this brilliant conversation about the end of Western civilization, so that's all right. - Good afternoon. - Yeah, I'm Mark Case, and this is Showdown.