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Here's what we're going to do today. Look, we're going to give equal time here. We are not MSNBC. We're not Fox News. We're going to try to play this right down the middle. I love New York. But what we're going to do is we're going to give you today the five best decisions of the Jimmy Butler build era. But then for those of you who are angry at the front office about everything, tomorrow we're going to give you the five worst decisions of the Jimmy Butler build era. And we're actually going to see which is harder to come up with. Because I think that will dictate a little bit how have they done building around Jimmy because they did a great job to get Jimmy. And then we can include here. Which is why we're going to do this. We're going to nominate. We're going to go around. Everybody's got 24 seconds. That's it. Okay. Otherwise you turn the ball over. We're going to go around and we're each going to nominate three. And then in the second half of this episode, we're going to discuss them and get them down to our top five. Okay. So the top five decisions of the Jimmy Butler build, not including the actual acquisition of Jimmy Butler. Although there is one. And I will say Greg and I discussed this beforehand. That we may allow. Okay. We may allow. And we're going to let Alex dictate whether or not this can actually be included in this. All right. So Greg, I'm going to let you go first. Maybe you want to suggest that one. And we will then debate it later. Okay. So here number one, go ahead. Yeah, let's start at ground zero, the Jimmy Butler transaction. It was really the team getting rid of us on white side. No, no, just joking. It was more something that I don't know that they actually intended to do, but they did. And that's keep going, Dragach in Miami. I think that that was a great way for the Jimmy Butler era to start. He brought things that I don't know that they've ever replaced in Miami, necessarily 100%. And so to me, keeping going, Dragach, even if some of it was unintentional by virtue of failed negotiations and miscommunications, that was a huge step forward. And I think a great decision by the heat front office to start the Jimmy Butler era. All right. I like that one. That's good. We're going to discuss it later. Again, Alex is going to dictate whether or not we can actually include it if it counts or anything along those lines. All right, I'm going to do one here. This is kind of an obvious one, but this helped propel them to the finals. The acquisitions of Jay Crowder and Andrea Guidala at the trade deadline during the bubble year. It did not look like it was going to work at first. Honestly, people don't remember. They went on a road trip. They looked awful. They were having trouble integrating players. COVID actually, I shouldn't say this too loud, but for the heat, it actually came at a good time because they were cratering. And remember, they lost my 31, I think, at home. Or they blew a 30-point lead, something like that. Wait, we were there, right, Alex? They blew like a 31-point lead to Charlotte at home. And then the COVID break happened, and then they came back totally re-energized, and they were more focused than everybody else. But getting Jay Crowder and Andrea Guidala helped them get to the finals, but also they were able to get rid of what had become a problem with Justice Winslow, Dion Waiters, and James Johnson in the same transactions. It's just a masterstroke, and I don't think we've ever given them enough credit for pulling that off at the trade deadline. They don't get to the finals without it. That's mine. Go ahead, Alex. So I have a controversial one, and I have a safer one that is my more serious answer. Which one do you want? Go save. You're going to have to go three. So you got three of them. Oh, that's right. You're going to have to go three. Okay, perfect, perfect. Yes. So my safer one is summer of, I might be getting the years confused, because I'm old already. But the summer of 2022, is that what it was when they acquired Kyle and PJ? As well as Caleb. Honestly, you could throw Caleb in there too, even though it was towards the end. But you could throw him in there. I think that was a great summer for them. All right, so I want to use your clock. Go ahead, finish it, and then I have a question. No, it ended in the greatest fashion. He still netted you a player who now considered to be one of your best players. Like, I think they got something out of it. And outside of that, what he did on the court, he had a lot of big playoff moments too. Again, I know everybody soured on him by the end with his decline and the expectations because of the contract and all that. But Lowry gave you a lot of big moments. PJ was a big time contributor and starter for that year that he was there. And Caleb was Conference Finals MVP runner-up crazily enough, which is not the most insane thing throughout this era, I think. All right, so you're glad that. Okay, and I apologize for directing. But all right, so you were combining these things. That may dictate whether this actually makes the top five. Because I think these three things may include that three players in that trade that you mentioned. Well, that was, yeah, but that was a trade. That's a transaction at one time. This was separate moves that they made during the same summer. But you're basically going with the summer of, what are we talking about? The summer of '22, right? Is what you're saying? Okay. All right, summer of '22. All right, Greg, you're up. I would say since I can't go, I thought PJ Tucker was a great call, by the way. Now I'm going to pivot, and I'm going to say when they chose Caleb Martin over PJ Tucker, in retrospect, that was the right move. Caleb Martin had a better season than PJ Tucker and has been, I think, a better complementary player to Jimmy in the sense that he could replicate when Jimmy's not on the court, some of the things that Jimmy Butler does. And that's really what the heat needed. So for me, I'm going to go choosing, because we know that that was ultimately the choice that summer, keeping Caleb Martin, letting PJ Tucker walk. That was a right decision by the front office. All right, I'll go with one, drafting Jaime Hawkins. Get that kind of value at that point of the draft. And now, as we're discussing Jimmy Butler's future, not that I think he's going to get traded. But if Hawkez is now traded, you have someone who would seem to have some skills that are similar to Jimmy's. If you want to replicate some of those skills going forward, and for those who say he'll never be Jimmy Butler, I will say he was drafted higher than Jimmy Butler in his respective draft, and he played more games and started more games than Jimmy Butler did in his rookie season. Jimmy started zero in his rookie season, played on a good team in Chicago, but Jaime Hawkez played on a pretty decent team in Miami and played a lot. In fact, played the most games on the team at 75. So to me, Jaime Hawkez is going to end up belonging in this top five, but we'll debate it further. Alex, since you've taken like three players at once now, what do you have left? Well, I do actually have another answer that can include like two players. So I can get to that if you want. But the controversial one that I was hinting at before was, and I don't know if this is going to count. So I'm going to let you guys decide, drafting title hero in 2019. That counts. I want to spice things up a little bit, because I know Jimmy got traded. Yeah, okay, we're going to have to discuss this one, because Greg when I went over the list initially, we knew this was going to be the most controversial selection, but basically, because of how he fans feel about it. But there is a timing issue here. So when we come back, you can nominate it, but we have to debate the timing part of this, the same as we do with dragons. All right, Greg, you're up. Oh, wow. This is when it starts to get difficult. I'm going to say having, and this is another one that I think is a surprising one. Bringing Kevin love to Miami was a really smart move during the Jimmy Butler era. I think he reinvigorated the team in a lot of ways. He has been a keeper to me. That's a no brainer move. I don't know that it makes the top five, but I do want it to get it's just do and get a mention in here, because Caleb has been a culture filled addition to Miami. Right, this next one's tough for me because I kind of want to, I think we may look back at this. And if we don't include somebody who I think is going to pop as a star for them, we may look a little foolish later on, honestly, but I'm not going to nominate it. I think most of, I think you guys could probably figure out what I'm talking about, but the one I am going to nominate is not trading for Bradley Beale. That would have been an unmitigated disaster. And I don't care what he fans think about it. The no trade clause with that contract say, oh, they would have gotten more out of him in Miami, maybe, okay? He's never been a guy that you can count on in those situations. He's never really played on a lot of winners in Washington. What was it? Second round that he's gotten to. And again, them deciding, and this was Pat's decision, okay, that once he wasn't going to wave the no trade clause, they were not getting involved in that, proved to be the absolute correct decision because they wouldn't have any of the options that they do have this off season if they had made that move, and they would not be championship contenders. I don't believe that with him. Some, again, may argue with me about that, but you would be, Tom, we're having a debate about giving Jimmy Butler an extra year at that money with what he's accomplished in the playoffs. Like, what would we be talking about with Bradley Beale at this stage? So to me, not trading for Bradley Beale just edges out the drafting of Nicole Yovitch, even though I could have gone with that one. Alex, take us home. So I guess we're not including the drafting of Nicole Yovitch. You can. You can. You can. I just say, I only got three. That's all. I was going back and forth, but that one and my other answer, that would include multiple players, it's kind of broad. So if you want just like a cool, safe answer, drafting Nicole Yovitch. I mean, they got them a lot later than some of these other guys, right? Like, Harold and Bam who were fantastic picks, where they got him, Hakka is another fantastic pick where they got him. He was in the 20s, right? I don't even remember. I think it was 27 or something like that. But they got him at like, he, you know, they got great value out of him already. He's still the youngest player on the team at 20 years old. I think he's still 20. And he's already, he was already a playoff starter for him after looking like he wouldn't, you know, he wasn't a rotation player in the first year, like he couldn't be one. So, you know, his progression has been fantastic. He still had a schedule and he's already a positive for you at a, you know, a very late pick in the first round. My M, you know, just to shut them out, honorable mention, because I do think they deserve some shine here is, and this is going to be my broad answer, you know, just kind of including the, you know, the undrafted guys together. Caleb and Max, I mean, and, and, and Gabe, I think just like seeing that, you know, their, what their skill set is and empowering them to be in the positions that they ended up in, right? And giving them the time to get better and play like, you know, that's part of the stuff that the Heat fans hate. It's like, you know, you're, you're trying to fill your holes with undrafted guys. But look, they did a damn good job at it with those guys. You could throw haywood in there if you want. Don't give him that. Let them walk. Yeah. And then you let them all walk. Well, well, hold on because, because, because that, yeah, I'm glad you said that, because that was going to be one of these two. So I'm going to throw with that in. Okay. 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That's the sound of something falling three stories. Now imagine if that were you. Well, if you get in a crash, it could be hitting the windshield at just 30 miles per hour feels like the equivalent of falling three stories. Seafelt save lives. That's why you should always wear one. You reduce your risk of serious harm by 50%. Nobody is above the laws of physics. Click it or tick it. Shifting to save. A message from the Colorado Department of Transportation. Because they would have in the past done that. And then I'm going to throw one more in here because I should not. That's the mind. I was giving them love. I was giving them love for playing those guys. Not for nothing. Playing them and then not paying for them. But again, I have to be consistent here because I hated what they did in 2017 at the time. And they have not repeated that mistake. It doesn't appear because Duncan didn't turn out to be a mistake as it played out. But I'll give you one more here. And I think this needs to be included. And then we're going to go to the top five. Extending air expolster for eight years. Because now they're extending the staff. We haven't really talked about that. But Coron Butler likely Chris Quinn, Malik Allen next. Continuity is important. We see the changes with head coaches. I mean Milwaukee has had what three in the last couple of years. And they're supposed to contender. That's a big one. I think we need to include that. I mean, extending air expolster is huge. Not that he was going to walk as a free agent. But you just you got to keep your guy happy. And that matters. Particularly when he's elite. All right. A couple of our sponsors. We have our list now. Some of them. Keeping Goron Drogge. We don't know if that one's going to qualify. We'll talk about it. Jay and Anning Crowder and Iguidala are getting rid of some dead weight. Acquiring Lowry PJ and Caleb all in the one summer. We may discuss splitting those. But anyway, it's on the list for right now. Because I'm telling you. The acquiring Lowry. If Lowry's in there, that's not in my top five Alex on that. That one's not going to pass. Choosing, that may be in the episode tomorrow. Choosing Caleb over PJ. Drafting Hawkez. Drafting Tyler. We don't know if that one qualifies. We need to go to the judges on that. Kevin Love a buyout extension. Not trading for Beale. Drafting Yowbitch. Playing undrafted. But then not keeping them. Particularly none and Gabe. And then extending Eric Spolstra. And now our sponsors. Want to tell you about a couple of great sponsors. The five reason sports network. Who's our friends over at Better Edge. We will have a finals contest. Soon as we have a result on that right now. We don't have one in the Western Conference finals as we're recording this. But we will. That's going to be free to enter. Just put in your phone number and you can win great prizes. 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I think some might actually have it in the top five. It's definitely their best buyout edition ever. But you're entitled to take it off. Okay. I'm going to take one off here. Anything that includes adding Kyle Lowry is not on the list. I'm sorry. I know that I know that I know that he played a role. I know they were able to move that contract. They were forced to get contracts. Because he had big playoff moments. He never wanted to be here. Okay. And even Jimmy Butler's people have acknowledged it was a mistake. I can't if you if you had separated if you had separated. The Caleb edition. And just rolling into the young guys or even the PJ. I might as well come with that. I I once you through Lowry and I'm sorry. I got the best season they've had in the whole Jimmy era in my opinion. Alex, you were in tight. Look, we'll debate Mohark this tomorrow. Okay. Alex, you are entitled to eliminate what you can eliminate. What if mine if you choose? Which one do you take it off the list? Honestly. And I'm going to say here. So everybody get ready. This is a tough question. Okay. Let me see. I think we I think you got to keep the go on one. I don't know. Okay. Maybe. But which one are you taking off? God, this is tough. Uh, honestly, I it might be what I said about the undrafted guys, especially because you tainted it with you're not paying them thing. When it's when I was just giving giving love to the, you know, to slow. If you're not a huge star overseas, I mean, you guys had really big, you know, playoff moments and long playoff runs. So I wanted to shout them out, but I, you know, that's, let's get them out of the top five. It's, you know, your love was still shown. Yes, love was shown. Greg, your turn. Take one out. Uh, drafting Nico. Yeah, I agree. Wow. Just haven't had enough yet. Maybe one day, but not yet. Okay. Uh, my turn, I'm taking out drafting Tyler. I don't think it counts. I don't, I, it's not because it was, look, he's outplayed his draft position. I don't care what he fans say. Okay. What dirt they throw on him. He's outplayed his draft position, but it happened before they got Jimmy. So I am going to take it off the list because it wasn't, it wasn't necessarily, uh, done with the thought that he was going to play with Jimmy Butler. Okay. So I'm going to, I'm going to take it out. We can debate the Goron one, because it was simultaneous. I remember that year, because that was, uh, that five reasons was going on. And I, I remember there being a lot of talk about Jimmy in the heat. You know, kind of being a. Oh, no, I know. I thought the trade was done with Minnesota before Tibbs asked for BAM. I, I, I, I tweeted, I tweeted something's coming. And then I, I got stuck at a, a dinner and then two out, two hours later, nothing came. Uh, but, uh, yeah, just to the point of like, maybe they did this Tyler would play with Jimmy, you know, maybe. I, I don't think it counts. All right. So we're down to, here's what we're down to, just to review here. Keeping luggage, adding, uh, crowder and igudala, extending SPO, choosing Caleb over PJ, drafting Hawkez, not trading for Beel. Those are the ones that I have right now. I think Greg is your, no, it's Alex is your turn, isn't it? I'm sorry. I'm not sure. But I'll take out, um, I'll take out choosing Caleb over PJ. Uh, I think it was a bad decision or anything like that. But I think it doesn't compare to some of these other ones here. Yeah. Especially when PJ was really helpful for them. So it, it doesn't feel like it's a top five decision. Yeah. Have you seen PJ play the last three years? Cause he had two years. Cause he has to be right back to, to being the guy he was before they got here, right? Remember all the whole year of it, they're playing him for me. Credit to SPO, all that. Well, there you go. All right. Fair. All right. Greg, you're up here. Here's your choices. Keeping Drawgage, extending SPO, Jay and Andre, drafting Hawkez, not trading for Beel. That's one, two, three, four, are we only, we're down to five already, aren't we? One, two, three, four, five. Okay. So, so which one of these is number five? Not trading for Beel cause it's just the biggest hypothetical of them all. Cause it never happened. So that's definitely the one that I would say becomes five. Okay. Uh, that's fair. Uh, all right. Now we're down to keeping Drawgage, extending SPO, Jay and Andre, or drafting Hawkez. I'm going to take off the keeping Drawgage because I don't think they intended to really do that. Oh, come on. I mean, I mean, the power of friendship was so strong. I, I, I get it. No one loves Goron more than me, but I'm just saying like that, that trade was supposed, I believe, okay, was supposed to be consummated with Goron in it. Thank God he was not. Uh, they ended up having to flip an extra first round pick to me well worth it. They don't get to the bubble final without Goron and, uh, and, and again, uh, you know, Goron, that would have been, that would have been awful, honestly, to trade Goron at that point. He still had really high value. They managed to move Whiteside in the deal anyway. Uh, they didn't get Harkless at that time, but then circled back. Uh, a whole bunch of things went on with that. Miscommunication with Dallas or whatever the hell it was. But again, I, I don't know that it was their intention. So I, I, I, I would have even had trouble putting that one in the top five, honestly, but, uh, we'll keep it if for, uh, we've got Beale, not trading for Beale at number five. So we are down to three. All right. And I, this is what's going to frustrate heat fans because they're going to be like, these three are not good enough to be the top three. Where do you go? Although I do think, I do think there's more good options than there are going to be bad options tomorrow. Okay. I do, I do think so. I think the bad options are more speculative actually, uh, than these are. I, I don't know that they actually made a ton of bad decisions. By the way, nobody has trading for Terry Rosier in their top 10, right? I thought about it, but no. I also thought about mentioning BAM featuring BAM, but it's not enough. Well, they extend, they extended BAM. I don't know if that counts, but. That was all in the plans all along. I mean, they were talking about his jersey and the rafters from day one. I mean, retiring UD's jersey was, is up there too. But again, it didn't, didn't really help things on the court. All right. We're down to three. So Alex, you get to eliminate one. Well, which is third drafting. Hakka is extending SPO or adding J and Andre at the deadline. I guess I'm going to go Hakka is just because it's only been a year, but not, you know, still a great, the fact that he's up here, right? Like it shows a lot of respect to his rookie season and what he was able to achieve. So I mean, I'm just surprised that it's in the top three. But I guess a third is a pretty respectable spot here. All right. We're down to two. Who's turn is it now? Me or you, Greg? I would have had that third probably also, but what Greg. All right. You and I'll make the decision together here. I suppose the most important decision. So that's just that. Right. So I mean, is really their most important decision locking up a coach who probably wasn't going anywhere? Is that I mean, that it feels a little wrong, but it probably for the long term future of the franchise. Well, hold on. Just sit in the instability around the league is probably the most important thing that they've done, right? Had you not locked him up? Then what the hell are we talking about? Well, that's why it becomes a lot more interesting, right? relevant to what is happening right now with Jimmy Butler, where I mean, it's not, you know, apples to apples, right? But, you know, it's always not like towards the end of his coaching career or something like that. But it's just like, you didn't let him go. Not only that, you didn't let him get into a market where he has to go seek out a bidding war, which absolutely would happen. Absolutely. Like he could get a bag from just about anybody who's looking to get a new culture, thinking about getting a new coach. And I think he would be well sought after, well paid if he really wanted to, and felt like, you know, that he weren't paying top dollar for it. And they made the decision to just, you know, give the man what he's earned. So I'm kind of hoping they just repeat that decision soon. But with somebody else. Yeah, you're right. It's probably number one, right? I mean, it has to be number one straight. He'd fans, but it probably has to be number one. I mean, the J crowder trade was terrific. I mean, we talked about the needs that they had. And they tried to add Galenari in that deal too. And if they had agreed to the number of years, he would have been here also at playing at a level that he's not playing it anymore. Like we're talking about. I called this trade ahead of time, by the way, just so that we're on record. No, just to be honest, I had to throw that. Well, yeah, you know what we didn't include here, which we could have included. And I just want to throw it in here. We didn't include anything related to Jimmy Butler, like say empowering Jimmy Butler on the court, which is what Spo said he was going to do at the very first media day when he sat down with us. Said he was going to use them a little bit like LeBron Light. He didn't use those words, but he was kind of describing the way he was going to use him as more of a playmaker. And he did. And so probably we get a sit down interview with Spo. That's unheard of nowadays. There it is, right? He hates that stuff. He hates that stuff. He'll talk to you on the side, but he does not want to be on me. I will say my claim to fame, and then it never got any better than this, was my first show, Izzy, what do we call it? Izzy and Ethan or whatever on seven nights? You're doing the boots? I remember it. Our guests for that first show were Dwayne Wade, Jason Taylor, and Eric Spolstra. And Eric made a personal disclosure on that particular podcast. Dwayne actually did it on the way to an event. What were we thinking? Like you get Dwayne JT at the Spo. These are like, hey, I listened that day. It's not Florida sports history. And then our show was basically done in two months because they wouldn't pay us. I've never forgotten. Israel walked in and they said where they were going to pay us. And Izzy goes, okay, okay, you can get back to me tomorrow. And Izzy never came back. So there you go. Power move. And now you got that. Now you got background radio stories. All right. Thanks to Alex. Thanks to Greg. 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