[MUSIC] We're back on Connect Central, Dan Reicho, Satyar Shah. [MUSIC] It is Enzyme Pacific. Connect Central is for Enzyme Pacific, Vancouver's premier Chrysler, Dodd-Ram and Jeep Superstore on Second Avenue between Cambian Main or at EnzymePacificCrysler.ca. Let's bring in our next guest. It is Erfan Gefar, Canucks insider. What's happening, Erfan? What's going on, fellas? How we doing? We're doing all right. So you think JJ Radik's going to work as the next Lakers coach or what? I think when it's clearly very hand-picked by. What do you mean LeBron doesn't factor in on these personnel decisions with the Lakers? Not at all, but I think he's got to say. >> Yeah. >> I mean, you think a little bit? No, of course. I mean, look, guys, they're going to interview everybody and anybody and LeBron's obviously going to pick who he wants. So we'll see how it goes. I mean, from all accounts, JJ is a very respected guy in NBA circles. But it's interesting when you're a guy talking about basketball to being really smart and then actually going and coaching. >> Yeah, like what's the hockey equivalent? Somebody going straight to the bench? >> Mark Dan saying, Louis. >> But even, yeah, I guess that's- >> Going from coach in Peewee to the Montreal Canadiens? >> Is that the closest thing? Probably. >> Yeah, I mean, I would say someone that's like blogging and then you get into like the analytics department and like that, but even then. But you know, this is a different because he was a player, so. >> I mean, it's Ralph Kruger going from Southampton's front office in the Premier League to the Buffalo Sapers. >> Yeah, that one might be up there. >> Didn't really work, did it? No, no, it didn't, like nothing in Buffalo. All right, so on the Canucks, it seems like a lot of balls in the air right now. And we were just talking about what Eliot Friedman had to say about nature as today and how, you know, maybe a, Ronik is not the kind to deal that Carolina might be looking for. It would take top prospects. This, you know, just kind of feels like to me, this isn't probably a deal where maybe Carolina and Vancouver just don't match up for a trade of this kind of magnitude. >> Yeah, I don't think, I mean, the ask is definitely going to be big. For sure. I think the Carolina Hurricanes are going to want everything and more for this player, and I think for him, it's maybe change his scenery is wanted. Maybe just didn't work in Carolina, and maybe both sides need that change. But, I mean, the ask is going to be huge, right? A young player who's proven that he can score at the NHL level at a very high level. And he's going to be coveted. Not entirely sure the Canucks, you're going to have what it takes to pull this off. But there definitely will be some other teams that are going to be in the running, and they look at him and say, okay, he can add a complete other dimension. But again, like the ask for this player, I mean, just from people that I've talked to, it's going to be pretty large. >> Yeah, well, I mean, obviously it's going to be. And I think one of the things that's really interesting right now for all the talk around trades is there are zero pressure points, right? Because Carolina doesn't need to worry about this until they need to get to UFA status. And while RFA status, and when he gets to arbitration, that's where a pressure point creates for Carolina. So really the draft is the first pressure point. So right now, I think there's no reason for these teams not to put a big ask and that sort of stuff in front of teams. Because what's the point of you making the trade today when you still have three weeks to go and throw the draft? >> It's true. But what if the player says, I don't want to be there anymore? And I want this done at a certain point. Now I understand that he's still in our pain and you control it and things like that. But I mean, we've seen before, I mean, you look at Matthew, you can chuck in what he did. I mean, I guess he probably did that a while before. But I think that, you know, and that might be a point from the player, where he just says, can we get this done as soon as possible? >> Yeah, but I mean, at the same time, like, what's, you know, why does he need the trade to happen today? He can't wait three weeks? >> Not today, maybe by the end of the week. I mean, it's about to Frank Servali reported, right? >> You know, I get it. I just wonder, I'm just like, I just don't understand the immediacy on this having to get done by the end of this week when like, you know, we're still a month away from free agency in three weeks from the draft. >> Yeah, I mean, maybe this one's on, maybe they all want to get it done. Maybe it's something where you look at and say, okay, both parties want something to be done. I mean, it depends on people who you talk to, right? There's some people that say, you know, it could be done by the end of this week. You're like, Frank Servali, and there's other people that say that, you know what, this could take some time. So, it's definitely interesting to, you know, hear and see when it comes out of a story like this of a player like this, they're obviously, like, you mentioned that, like, I'm confused as you are. Like, why does it need to happen so quickly? But there's definitely got to be a little bit more to the story than what we obviously know. >> Well, I think in a perfect world, a lot of front offices would just prefer to at least have an idea of, you know, where their money is going to be, available money is going to be by free agency. And if you're trading for a player like Nate Chass, you know, that's going to significantly take away from whatever flexibility you may have. Now, as far as the Canucks go, it seems like, you know, they've got a lot of balls in the air, whether it's Nate Chass or maybe there's other trades, irons in the fire on the trade front, but even with their own free agents, you know, it's like, not much has really changed here. It's like, yeah, they kind of know what it's going to take to keep Myers, kind of know what it's going to take to keep Zadorov, although very expensive. Same goes for Lindholm. And, you know, it's just feeling more and more like guys like Zadorov and Lindholm. I don't know if their futures are in Vancouver, given what they might command on the open market. Yeah. I mean, and you look at the priority list, right? I mean, they, you know, it's been out there and reported that, you know, Myers likely is going to get done. The Canucks know what that number is going to be. I mean, term for both of those players that you just mentioned is an important thing, right? I mean, you look at Mickey Dzadorov, 28 years old, obviously, like Lindholm, 29 years old. I mean, they're going to want what they deserve, right? And what they think that they can get if it's on the open market. But, you know, if a guy like Nikita Zadorov is a team willing to pay him, you know, five or six million dollars times six years, not entirely sure the Canucks are willing to do that, right? You know, we know that, you know, his camp had turned down an offer that was before the playoffs started. And things are quite around the Lyis Lindholm right now. I mean, not much going on there. It's going to be interesting to see kind of how this develops over the next little while here as we approach the draft and into the Stanley Cup final here. But I mean, I'm sure the Canucks have an idea of what he wants. And I'm sure, you know, his side from his team's point or from his camp point of view, you know, they believe that, you know, he's a big part or can be a big part of any of any team's kind of future here and they were going to want to get the best for their client. Yeah. And I mean, we've been talking about this forever now. You look at the free agent market and it's like, why wouldn't he go to July 1st? Just to see what's out there considering the dirt of centers available at that type of caliber. And the other thing that Elliot was talking about was the Canucks trying to move money out. And it's funny because they were trying to move money out the last couple of years because obviously the team was in a cap crunch. This year, they still have about, you know, 26 million in change in cap space, but still have to sign a bunch of players. But I think if you have to ask, if you ask them how much cap space do you need, I think their answer is always going to be more. But how realistic do you think it is for them to be able to clear some space moving say a player like Micaev? That's going to go on. How much are you willing to sweeten it? I mean, we talked about assets that the Canucks have traded already. I don't think you can afford to sweeten upon. Yeah, you can't. Right. So then you look at it. If you want to improve your team, you have to do with the assets that are currently on the roster. And I'm just holding on his name. Obviously, he's been out there. I know Brock's name's been out there, not not this year, but in the past before you look at it. I mean, Micaev, yeah, the Canucks thought they were getting a player that, you know, had some really good seasons with the Toronto Maple Leafs. These surgeries change things, right? He's definitely not the same player. Was it one goal in the last 60-something game to end the season here in Vancouver? I mean, that's not good enough for a guy that you're paying $4 million to, more than that. So the Canucks need to find value of players with value, right? Players that you can plug in on your third and fourth lines, whether it's guys that are coming in on entry-level contracts that can make immediate impacts for the next few seasons. And things like that, whether it's, you know, NCAA free agents that they have had their eyes on, whether it's players that are playing overseas, it's a really interesting kind because, you know, the Canucks have seen the success, right? They're one win away from going to the conference final. And you know, I don't think that, you know, this team, even if they, even if everything worked in their favor, bringing this team back exactly as assembled, wouldn't get it done. Like you have to improve. Every year needs to an improvement. I understand Denko wasn't there, but she also laid pretty damn well to be completely honest. So from the Canucks point of view, it's all about improving, right? And where does that start? Does that start down the middle? Does that start with the winger? Does that start with depth? Or does it start with defense? And the answer to all those questions, I think, is exactly what is taking Patrick Elving's brain right now. Yeah. It's, you know, you want to get better offensively, but there's few options there, right? And, you know, I know the, the Jake Genssel name, they were, they were in on Genssel, wanted to get Genssel at the deadline. Obviously, Pittsburgh didn't really covet what Vancouver had to offer. They wanted maybe a lek or a Mackie or a willander and that was a no go, no fly zone for the Canucks. And as we just talked about, you know, because of their lack of assets, I can understand why. But now he's a free agent. And I imagine the Canucks are going to be in on that. I imagine a lot of teams are going to be in on Jake Genssel. What do you think that looks like? Do you have a sense of what Jake Genssel even wants as he hits the open market? I mean, I did say, I think it was last week that I think it's going to be in the States to be completely honest. I think that the Canucks, you know, the, the relationship that Genssel has with this front office staff is there. So I mean, there's a reason to believe that, you know, that the Canucks are in on that based on that. But what's the number? Nine? Yeah. I'm not entirely sure you're going to do that. Well, in the Canucks, it might be nine and a half like, yeah, right. And then what's Brock's number going to be after that? So then are you going to pay two winners that much money? Yeah. Like I think that you've got to be really realistic about this if you're Vancouver, right? And then you look down the lineup, you're going to need a center at some point is a Iceland home. It, you know, ends up believing to free agency and things like that. So it's a tough one. I think that Genssel is going to get his money, whether that's in Columbus or, or somewhere else. But I would, I find it very difficult to believe it's going to be Vancouver. Yeah. The question for me really is how high is the number going to get for Genssel? Is it going to, if it's 10 million, like the Canucks aren't getting close. I can see them, you know, being in the nine million range. But if we're talking about a player that's going to get nine and a half or more, then I don't, I don't see the Canucks, you know, being able to match anything above nine and a half. The thing is like Canadian markets, we talked about this yesterday, generally you have to play the, the Canadian market tax free agency, which is maybe you have to pay a little bit of a premium to get the guy to come here. I don't think it has to do necessarily with the no tax state stuff. Just like Ryan O'Reilly said last year, it was going to take a lot more money for me to stay in Canada than rather than going to Nashville. And that's, I just think that's how a lot of players look at it. 100% and now with, you know, Luke guys that going on hockey, they're in Canada and saying that the Vancouver is the worst and things like that and all of that, you know, it's really tough for a player to want to come here. Yeah. Really tough for a player to want to come here. I mean, I look, I like 17 games with Carolina last season, yet equal, like, I mean, it's a pointy game player. He's a really good talent. He makes a lot of teams better and he seems that he's on. Always doing a lot of offs. Yeah, like nine, nine and a half million dollars is a lot of money. Yeah. And especially when you're a team that, you know, and you're going to have to commit long term to this. And you really believe that he's a player that, you know, puts you that far over the edge at that cost, but it's not, it's not just that. It's what else is there, right? Like next on the market, if you're looking at wingers is, is what like Tyler Bertuzzi. Yeah. Matt, Matt, do Shane and you can't, and you can't overpay for one of the older guys. No, right. You're not overpaying for a Tyler to Foley. Vlad Teran. It goes not coming to Vancouver. So it's just like, no, I think Adam, Adam, Adam and Reese up there too, like you're not paying for that. Yeah. So if this is your big, if this is your big fish that you're going to swing at, you're going to have to go there with your guns loaded and expect to be in that nine and nine and a half, maybe even higher range. Yeah. But for the Vancouver Canucks, I mean, there has to be an RFA they're looking at somewhere via trade. You got to get creative. You got to be able to make moves and not only, you know, build your team with guys that are, you know, of age and in their peak right now, but guys that can help you grow, right? Are there is your young RFA out there that the Canucks have their eye on that, that they're trying to pull an intro that they might try to be interested in via trade. There might be not entirely sure, but you have to be creative if you're them. And I think that they know that as well. Yeah. I mean, and I think they're willing to do all those things and like I mentioned a bit earlier about the nature thing, which I don't understand why, you know, it has to get done this week because like it's the pressure points haven't begun yet and the pressure points start happening around the draft. And when the cup final starts ending. And I wonder if the Canucks are kind of just waiting, not waiting, but like the trade throughout is what they do first because it's very clear if they wanted to get guys done, if the priority truly was to get one of these free agents signed, they would have got them signed by now, right? I know it's a negotiation. Well, I think that I don't think that's, I don't think that's necessarily true. I think that, you know, there's, if you're looking at, say you're looking at a Nikita the door off, right? He's the guy that if you're going to get to that money or that point, you're in the way of going to get there. But, you know, this is the conversation that agents and teams have all the time, right? There's going to be back and forth. There's going to be the one offer here for sure, say no and things like that. So I don't think it's for a lack of trying. No, I get that point, but I'm saying like usually if there's a real will to get something done, urgency, then stuff gets done. And for the Canucks, I think they want to make a bigger addition one way or another. And I wonder if that's still their top, the thing they want to get done first before they move on to signing any contracts for their guys. Because if you get your big addition figured out and that contract figured out, I think it makes it easier for you to figure out, okay, how much do we have left for the rest of these guys we want to keep? 100%. I mean, look, I do get that and I think that that's why, you know, you're not hearing too much about what's going on. Like I think quietly behind closed doors, they're definitely trying to get things done. And you know, you hear things come out about the door off. Obviously, Lindholm, like I said, is quiet. Not much about Dakota Joshua, but like I look, I've said this before and I'll say it again, go get your money, if you're Dakota, to be completely honest. And then, you know, the Philip Roanick one, I mean, like you mentioned, you talked about pressure points and things like that. With him, there really is none. So like I said, there's a lot of different avenues for this team to try and improve. Train will be creative, obviously for agency, whether it is their guy or if it's someone that, you know, they're interested in on July 1st, that's going to be the interesting one. But for the most part, I think that they look at it and they're kind of just sitting back here and kind of just seeing how the leaves fall for everyone else. Yeah. And there's, you know, it's thinking about restricted free agents and there's never really a lot of guys that are out there. Maybe, you know, nature's obviously is really interesting right now. But you know, I don't know if this team or I don't think this team is when Jim Rutherford and Patrick Alvin took over. There was a lot of, you know, maybe we'll take a look at some guys that were first round picks or were highly touted prospects that haven't really worked out for other teams or their current teams, their drafted teams. I'm not sure that's the route they want to go like, you know, Kapo Kocko or an Arthur Kalyev, like these kinds of names, sure, there's talent there. But I just wonder if the Canucks are more in the mindset of, yeah, we want guys that with potential and guys that can fit into our, our current core group, but also we need to have like a baseline level that we can expect if we bring them in here. Yep. 100%. I mean, your, but your baseline level right now is J.C. Miller, Elias Patterson, Brock better. Yeah. Quinn, use on defense and Dr. Demko, like that that's really it, right? Yeah. So you're, you're trying to, and I guess with Elias Patterson, I mean, the goal is to try and get him a winger. I mean, that's, there's no secret there and they've made it very apparent that that's something that they're, that they're trying to do, but like is, is Jake Gensley going to be that answer? Like you have to be very careful with things like that, right? If your $9 million guy or your $9 million by guy comes and can't play with your $11 million guy, but he ends up working with J.C. Miller, like is that, then you still have another hole that you need to fill. Yeah. Brock and Elias have, have played well together, but you, you, you kind of got to figure it out in a different way. So lots of discussion, definitely. Yeah. I mean, you look at, you look at Florida as an example, right? Okay. It's not, it's not that they just have two duos in their, in their top six. They've got Verhagie, they've got Barkov, Reinhardt, Bennett and Kachuk. So they've got five top end forwards that they can rely on and even Edmonton, you know, yeah, you've got McDavid and Drycidal, but you've got Hyman and Nugent Hopkins that can go with them as well. And when you mentioned like, yeah, the Canucks are looking for a winger for Petey. It's like that's, that's where they come up short. They're missing at least one extra top six forward and it's, it's so incredibly obvious. Yeah. I mean, that's why we sit here and talk about this every single time, right? Whether that's drafting, whether that's trade, whether that's signing a guy for a contract that was too much a long time ago, then you hank off yourself for years to come. You know, there's, there's still undoing a lot of things and still this team managed to get 50 wins. They managed to go to, you know, get a game seven of almost making it to the conference final. They managed to have a guy with a 100 point season, a guy that scored 40 goals, a defense one that's going to win the, probably win the, the, the Norris Trophy. Like a lot of good things happen for this team, but you can't ask this team is currently assembled to go and do that next season. Like you have to get better. So I think that they know that and like with Patrick Levine, right after the season was over, he's not satisfied and you have to, you have to believe that, you know, he really does mean that and wants to improve this team heading into next year. Yeah. 100%. So the other thing too on guys that they're looking to move out, Mikayev, obviously, is not going to be easy to move out, but Elliot mentioned, you know, maybe a couple of guys are looking at in terms of Connor Garland. That's the only guy because we, we talked about Besser before, but because of his current issue, like there's a holding pattern, I don't think we can expect any movement either on a contract or any trade consideration until he clears up his, his issues and then hopefully that's going to be fine in a couple of months, but I think that's a holding pattern. Connor Garland, do you think that they would actually look to move him? I guess like they're open to moving anybody, right? But at the same time, like, is that something that they, they actually might pull the trigger on? I mean, look, he gave you 110% Connor Garland last season, everything, you know, he had, he was the only guy going in game seven for the Vancouver Canucks, right? And, you know, from, from day one of the regular seasons, scores the first call of the team. After all, the, the stuff came out about him switching agents and things like that. Um, I don't know, like, I, I, if he's an asset, why not? If you can improve your team by getting rid of a guy that, you know, played well, but really didn't want to be here before the season started, why not? I know the, there was some chemistry there and the Blueger Joshua line was, was, was great. You know, he had some success playing with, with a guy like Elias Lindholm, but like that can't be your line, right? You just can't depend on, you can't depend on Connor Garland every single night. If you can, if you have him going with another guy somewhere else where you can bring in someone that you can depend on a lot more, I think that is the recipe that they're kind of looking at. Uh, or if we appreciate the time as always, uh, you know, sat and I, and I guess you too, like we're all wondering, when are we going to get an invite from Murph to play golf? Or is he just too big time for us now going with Miller and big Z? I'm just, uh, doing the negotiating. I think, what was that? What do you do? Yeah. Well, first of all, we're not going to cap at all. I'll tell you that right now, none of us are going to cap only a, only a, one of our producers Ben gets to do that because, yeah, well, he's, he's a, he's like semi pro. He's going to play in the Canadian open one here. I'm convinced. Anyways, really? It's possible. He might, he might. He's good enough. He's a plus five handicap. So I'm, I'm sure he's, he's going to get close one day if he keeps it up. Uh, yeah. It's pretty good. Uh, anyways, enough of that. Uh, maybe we'll golf soon. All right. Talk soon. Hi, gentlemen. Doo. There he is. Irfan Gefar joining us here on Canucks Central. Uh, so the video's up. Yeah, the video is up on TikTok now, too. Oh, it's a talk as well. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. Uh, I can't get over my reaction after I pick up the water bottle your reaction so funny. I mean, you throw your hands in the air too. It's, it's great. You can see me, uh, mouthing an F bomb probably, you know, like it's, uh, it's pretty incredible. You can check it out at sports at 650 on, uh, all your favorite platforms. Um, Sat deserves a sports Emmy for keeping his cool like that from, uh, producer Dom. I don't know. It was pretty impressive, but also it's like, dude, there's enough water. We can just acknowledge you, but I mean, I, I don't know what to do. So I'm like, just keep going. Sat deserves the lady bing for his composure. I keep going, man. Until I'm told, like, you know, dime store greaser, uh, sacrifice the hoodie, put it through the laundry, just dive on the water. Just dive on the water. The thing is we usually have like a crazy amount of paper towels and the producer studio. And we were out, which was not a good time to be a perfect storm. Uh, all right. I, uh, I'm not going to fill up my water bottle just to avoid any more further chaos. Yes. Um, I want to respond quickly. Somebody's saying, but listen to the show today, yada, yada. You guys haven't talked about, uh, Luke gazdick and all this sort of stuff. I, I implore people that didn't listen to yesterday's show to go and listen to our conversation about that. It was after we spoke to edge of an ASCII, you go, it's on the Connect Central podcast. Yeah. It's, you'll see the job we're interviewing afterwards. We spent the good 10 minutes talking about it. And, um, I don't know if we want to say anything left to say about it. Yeah. So, I mean, you know, it's, so if you're wondering why we're not talking about it today, we'd addressed it when it became a thing on social media yesterday during the show. We both spoke about it today on the radio station, obviously, but we already talked about it yesterday. I'm not sure, uh, if what Luke gazdick said is something we should be discussing on multiple shows. Yeah. Back to back days. I got, I'm, you know, with all due respect to Luke gazdick, I just don't think that, you know, I don't think we should be spending two shows talking about the same thing. Uh, after all, we are just going to, you know, watch them on the panel on hockey night. So, um, no, look, I, I've made a couple of like, you know, jokes already about it. So just so those wondering, you can go listen to it there and, you know, that's that, uh, we've, we've said our piece. You can go listen to it on podcast, conoc central on your favorite podcatcher. All right. Dan, Rachel, sat to your shot. No a string of, uh, daily, uh, or daily hive is going to join us, uh, coming up, uh, just after five o'clock. Keep the Canucks talk going here on Canucks central, uh, you know, a trade where you're trying to acquire. Hey, it's bignazar. Back in on Canucks central, uh, happy to report, uh, it, it, for, for right now, it, it seems as though no equipment was damaged, uh, during the spill, during the June 4th spill. We'll find out what happens in the morning. If half on a rough can't get on air blame reach, uh, that's when I'll go and hide, uh, our fearless leader, Cam Barra has chimed in on the, on the video. I love sat's commitment to the show. Just hold up the laptop for the next 20 minutes. It'll be fine. If you see the video, sat's just like holding his laptop in the air while trying to keep his composure. Hey, it worked out and trying, man. Desk needed a good clean. Thanks, Dan. Oh, well, just doing my part. Yeah. Well, I mean, so the lesson in radio for me has always been when the red light is on, you got to keep going. Like, you know, you just got to keep going, you know, unless you physically can, you got to keep going. And that's kind of, you know, the mindset I was in at some point. I was just like, you know what, sat, I appreciate you, but, uh, you got to address it. Reach was just so, so upset the video reaches a reaction. The look on his face. The throwing the arms in the air. I mean, it's exactly the way you would imagine reach would read. I could not look more Italian in that moment. So great. Uh, it's an aside from Burnaby. As usual, Dan, Rachel looks like he's ready to golf right after the show. Yeah. It's just my daily attire now. Every single day I see him. Did you golf today? Oh, okay. Just, just wish. Just wish I was golfing today. All right. Let's bring in our next guest. He is waiting patiently for us to stop kidding around. Noah Strang. In order for offside and the daily hive. Thanks for this. Noah, how are you? Good. Thanks. Thank you guys both so much for having me on. Yeah. Thanks for, uh, thanks for making time for us. We're, uh, we're kind of breaking down this Canucks offseason. I know we were covering their Canucks during, uh, the course of the playoffs and, you know, it was, it was obvious for us and everybody to see that the Canucks, you know, lacked a little bit of more of an offensive punch against the Edmonton Oilers, needing another top six forward and that's the key for the off season, but, you know, how aggressive do you feel the Canucks should be in chasing down a top six forward to add to this group and maybe help out Elias Patterson. Yeah, I fully agree with you watching the Canucks throughout the playoffs became obvious as the bounce went on, but they needed another guy that could put the puck in the net, especially like you said alongside Patterson. I think it's a really interesting off season because this year went so well to a little bit of head schedule and now they have decision how many chips should they push in and go get that next guy to play with Patterson. In my mind, I think that you need to be aggressive and going to get someone like that, but also you can't sacrifice too much. For example, from the defense to go do it, I know that's kind of a cop out, but it's a delicate balance. You know, I'm with you on that and I think it's, it's going to be fascinating in so many different ways because you're right. I mean, they have assets they can spend, but it's like one bullet in the chamber, right? Like you can move a Willander if you want, but you really can't make any other trades. You can't really trade too many more first round picks and the second round picks with how little you have this year moving forward. So I think the question is, is this going to be the off season they pull the trigger on something bigger? I wouldn't put it past them. It's just, it has to be the right player. I fully agree and I think it, it kind of depends on how you're looking at this past play off or in this past season where they had some success. Is this the start of a window that's going to expand and grow for the next, let's say, three, five years, or is this sort of with the way the contracts are set up in the ages of some of the players in the prime, you know, really the next one or two years, the years where you kind of have to go for it. And I think that's a decision that management has to make and if they look at the way that the roster is constructed, they see that, you know, JT Miller's age and Quinn Hughes's contracts, Dr. Demko's contracts, you feel like right now, might be, you know, or not right now for the next two years, it might be your best chance, then maybe this is the off season that you get more aggressive, you go get another guy that's already scoring goals at an actual level. Yeah, and that name is, well, one of those names is, is Jake Genssel, right? And he is a free agent, but you still, for as much as, yes, you're in a competitive window, you've got two years left of Thatcher, Demko on his current contract, three years remaining on Quinn Hughes's current contract. So, so there's a window in the shorter term that you want to take advantage of, but you've also just signed to Leo's Pedersen for eight years. So it's, there is such a delicate balance of the short and the long term here, but when the iron is hot, you kind of have to strike. And when the player that fits is available, you kind of have to go after it. It seems like Jake Genssel would be a great fit for this roster, but one, does he want to be a Vancouver Kanaka and two, you know, what's that price look like? And it's probably going to be in the nine million dollar range, right? Yeah, I mean, I fully agree. From everything we've heard, seems like the connective check in on Genssel before, like at the trade deadline. And we saw when he went to the hurricane, so it's how much of an impact he had. There wasn't any kind of transition period, you know, he was one of their best players from the moment they got there and he's going to get paid this summer to serve really so. Like you said, I also expect his play contract value to start with the nine, which it's difficult to fit into the Canucks books right now, but if he wants to come to Vancouver, then I think that's the type of player that you try to make room for him as best as you can. Is there a player outside again so that you've been kind of looking at this offseason that you think would be a really good fit for the Canucks to go after, whether that's a free agent or somebody on the trade market? I mean, I think one of the free agents that I've had my eye on, and we'll see how much he gets this summer, but he's a familiar name and tired to Foley. I mean, I know he's getting a little bit older, but he's playing some of the best hockey in his career right now. He's probably not going to cost you as much as some of the other really big names on the free agent market, like Reinhardt and Genssel. And when he came to Vancouver last time, he showed chemistry with a player like Elias Patterson or even JT Miller to pay on how they want to line up next year. He also fit in on the power play, which as we know during the playoffs was a big struggle point for the team. So I think the fact that you've seen some success with that combination before could make him an intriguing fit if it's at the right dollar number, of course. The other option is the trade route, but this team doesn't have a ton of assets. What would you like? It's like Romackian Willander. We know those are the two big assets they have to potentially move in trade. Do you think the Canucks should be entertaining trades like that, or should it be that those guys are off the table? I mean, for myself, those two prospects are clearly the ones that have a lot of value for the Canucks. I think that you have to entertain any deal that you get, even if it does include one of those two players, I think that lekromacki especially to me is what he did this past during the SHO and at the World Juniors would have to be a real blue chip player coming back the other way. Willander didn't quite impress me as much in his first year post draft, but I want to say the same thing about lekromacki a year ago and look how quickly things can change. So I've also had the teams to give up on a young player after just one year. I mean, even watching the playoffs right now, it's a different player, it's a different situation, but who stopped flooring? He's a late-round draft pick by the Canucks, but he gave up on him early after a strong low junior. So then now he's turning it to one of the league's premier defense wins. It's a warning against giving up on young players too early. Yeah, 100%. And it's one of those things too, and we know going back to what I mentioned before, you have one kind of bullet you can pull off and you have to make sure it's the right one you can't miss on. And I'm just not sure the Canucks can do that just yet with these players, but it's also one of the questions that we've been pondering is of the players currently on the team, whether they're one of the younger guys, like a Hoag Nander put Colson or somebody in the minors in Abbessford, do you look at anybody and think of they can provide some internal improvements next season? I mean, that's interesting. I think for myself, watching Hoag Nander over the next 12 months will be something that I do very closely. You can see he had the breakout season this year, there's 24 goals all at 5 on 5 one of the best in the league, but also he shot the puck at a really high percentage, and if we can learn something from Cruz Manko, that can be really difficult to replicate. Now, I'm more encouraged by Hoag Nander considering the lack of power playtime, and I think that if he can find a way against the power playtime and more shots in general, he'll be able to sustain that. But that does send off a couple warning bells for me. As far as people can step up and take it to the next level, I'm not sure there's a player that I see coming in next season and making a huge impact that didn't this year. I think it'll be more internal growth into the bottom six of the lineup, and hopefully adding another player at the top of the lineup. I know I really appreciate the time. Thanks for this. Thank you so much for having me on guys, really appreciate it. There is Noah Strank from Daily Hive and covering the Canucks, or covered the Canucks during the course of the playoffs reporter at the Daily Hive. Yeah, and did a great job on the beat this year, joining in on it and did some real good work during the playoffs, being on the road as well, so good to have Noah on the beat, and good to see new media members coming through and making Mark for themselves in the market here. So it's nice to hear him on the show, and as far as what we were talking about improvements internally. I think there is room for improvement internally, obviously for players. I think it's just more about being realistic about what you're expecting those improvements to be and how much of an improvement that's going to be. And the guy that's most obvious internally, and you're hoping would take the same path Hoaglander took is going to be put close in next season. And yes, I mean, we're sitting here and talking about this team needs more players on the higher end of the roster to play alongside Patterson, for instance, but you still need players to emerge at the bottom of your roster. And if you're not going to be able to bring back, say, Joshua, and or Blueger and Lindholm, for instance, well, that means, you know, your third line, your fourth line, you still need guys with pop, Lafferty, even I know he struggled in the back half, but he still provided what 11 12 goals he had a career a year for himself is so production that has to be met next season. And do we feel good about a guy like put close in doing something along those lines where you're getting a 10 11 12 13 goal season from him, maybe 25 plus points and he's having a consistent season. I could maybe see him getting to 10 goals, but I don't know, like to see 25ish points. I mean, you're getting a lot of production from a fourth line type. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of like, can you do what Lafferty did? Yeah. And 20 at some points, 11 goals at the same time, like Lafferty was great first half of the season and then was a complete zero for the second half. But I think that's also the reality of those guys that play those roles. I mean, if they could be more consistent, they wouldn't be playing those roles, right? And it's not as easy finding just that baseline level of production. Like it's still something that's hard to do. But yeah, when you talk about a guy who's going to score 10 12 goals or 25, maybe 30 points, you're talking about 50 games. They're not getting points. Almost 60 games. The season, they're not getting points. Well, how many goals would you have earmarked Dakota Joshua for this season? I mean, probably like 15 or something, right? Yeah. Like maybe a bit of a bounce on what he did. You're banking on maybe a bit of an improvement, right? If you put the over under at 16, I probably would have taken under. Yeah. Like I would have not had guessed. You know, he'd get 20. Now he didn't get 20, but he would have if he didn't get injured. He was definitely on that track. Yeah. Right. And finished the season strong. Continue that for the game ones of the two series of the playoffs, but you're going to need guys to step up. Whether it's Podkolzen or in Archdeep, Baines, Lienus Carlson, the Canucks are going to need one of these guys to show up and at the very least start the season as if, you know, they were Nils Hoaglander. Yeah. You know, we didn't have Nils Hoaglander earmarked for 24 goals this year, but it happened. You're going to again need a lot of things to go right. They've done a lot of good things in developing these players, giving them the opportunity to have more success at the NHL level, but you can't realistically expect Podkolzen or Baines to show up and be anything more than a bottom six type to start the season. Yeah. Hey, listen, you're always leaving the door open for somebody to emerge and walk through it. You have to be realistic, right? And that's what it is about this team. And I wonder what's going to happen ultimately with their off season plan and they're trying to get the higher end players. And we spoke to Irf about a Genssel type and I love to have Genssel. I think he'd be a great fit. But are you able to pull that off? If you're not, you may have to look at some stop gap type of moves. And it's not necessarily the worst way to go about it. Like I'd rather you sign a veteran type to one or two years than overextend yourself with somebody who's kind of more mediocre. Well, this is where Jason Zooker comes up again, right? So okay, you don't get Jake Genssel. What do you do, right? You don't sit there and be like, oh, well, too bad. Guess we'll, we'll just not go into the season with a left wing option. Like you're going to try something else, right? You have plan A, plan B and C. And yeah, Jake Genssel is probably plan A for this team. And whether or not they're going to be able to do it is still up for debate and question mark. And we'll see what happens as we get closer to free agency. We do know Pierre Lebron said today at the athletic that it's seeming more and more likely that Jake Genssel does get to free agency on July 1, which I mean, seems like no surprise with the way the Carolina Hurricanes handle 29 and 30 year old free agents. So if it's not Jake Genssel, is there a left shot in free agency that makes sense for the Canucks that can play a role and maybe also fill, potentially fill the left shot spot that is open on the power play to play in the bumper that's been so sorely missed since they lost Bo Horvat Genssel could be that guy obviously, but it's going to take a lot of money and it's also going to depend on his desire where he wants to play. Other names Tyler Bertuzzi, Jason Zooker, Anthony Manta, Jake DeBrusk, Vlad Terasenko, Anthony Duclerc, Toyvo Terravenin, Matt Duchain. Like those are the left shot wings that are going to be in free agency this year. I think some of them you can easily take off the list. Like I don't think Matt Duchain is any interest in playing in a Canadian market. I don't think he has an interest in it, but in terms of fit, like he's a guy center wing hybrid player can do both. Left hand shot has played the bumper spot before, knows how to play on a good power play. Like theoretically, he could. Probably looking for five to six million, like a little bit of a bump from what he got this year. Yeah. But in terms of player type and fit, like in what for what Vancouver needs, he actually does fit. He's pretty good as a four checker too, good at retrieval. It's like he could be a guy who could answer those things for you. Seems like a guy who at least this year in Dallas, I know he is an older player, but I think there was some maturity question marks in Nashville before he got the buyout. Yeah. I mean, there's a number I don't go past, obviously, right? But I'm just looking at fit wise. Like, so like Zooker comes up because the Zooker, like so Gensil to me is like the eye, the perfect fit. If you look at the fits available, like he's number one for all the things that connects need. PD winger, good on the four check, smart player can be good on the power play, can play to bumper. You know, like he fits every bill. Right? So he's like the ideal version. Zooker is like the baseline version where it's like, he's not my first choice, but that's kind of the line and clear line demarcation after him. I don't think you're getting a player who's actually capable of playing that role. So Zooker to me is kind of like the line of like, you have to meet this. And the salary will matter for it, right? Like I think DeBrusque is intriguing in that role, but how much is he going to get on the market? And the only other guy to me is Bertuzzi, because I think Terrasenkel, theoretically with a shot, can be a good option on the power play. I just don't know if he's going to be the type of player that's going to work in with how talk it wants these guys to play consistently over any two game season. It's one thing to come to Florida now and buy in and do it for the playoffs. It's more about, can you do it, maintain it through a season, have the buy in, and then they feel good about you in the playoffs. Terravinans, another interesting player. I don't think his score is enough. Yeah. You know, good playmaker. I want a better goal score. Probably cost more than what, like what I think he's worth. Yeah. And I think what they need is if they're going after another guy, he got to shoot the puck more than Terravinan. The thing is if you don't get Genssel, so that's, you know, 9 million, you could potentially get two players. You could. Yeah. And even three. And Noah brought up Tyler Tofoli. And I'm a big Tofoli fan. I think the question with Tofoli is, much like you mentioned, we do shamed as you want to come to a Canadian market again after spending time on four different teams in four years and everything that he's kind of been through in Canada. Not to say it's been horrible, but a lot of moving around. You know, and then goes to the States, goes back to Winnipeg. I think the only Canadian team he hasn't played for is Ottawa right now, right? Yeah. So it's like, you know, I wonder if he just wants to get a contract as long as possible in the States and kind of settle in for a while and anonymity as well. But if he's available and willing, I love it, but he doesn't solve your bumper spot position because he's a right hand shot. And that's fine. But you still would probably need to answer something somewhere else at some point. But yeah, I mean, would you do instead of Tofoli, I mean, instead of Gensil, would you do Tofoli for close to five and Zookar on a one year deal close to four? Yeah. And, you know, like it helps you out in a couple of different ways that lengthens your lineup. Zookar gives you another option. A guy does a lot of things well, not just, you know, adding to your forward group. It's something that can help in the near term. It is a different option than Gensil and something that could still bring a lot of value. Like sure. And I know a lot of people aren't going to be excited about the idea of signing adjacent Zookar, but were you excited about Teddy Blooger last year? Were you excited about Pew Suter when they signed him? Like, you know, this team has been pretty good at identifying guys that can fit, know how to play the game and will fit with what they want to do here in Vancouver. And Zookar's been that guy knowing that they were very interested at the deadline. And again, like I brought his name up, we brought his name up, we talked about him quite a bit. And I'm not even sure it's going to happen or anything, but it's more about the options that are out there for you on the free gym market. Like, this is it. Like, there isn't a lot more. And, you know, I've gone through every single name. We brought up, you know, on the mailbag, on Friday, some potential Dakota Joshua project types. Right. But if you're looking at some, some guys that can actually score for you, like there aren't a ton, you know, like you can go down the roster and go after a trend and type. But again, you're not getting a higher end goal score. I'm not big on Anthony Manta because of lack of consistency. In theory, good shooter, good big body can do a lot of things. But just, I don't think he gets engaged enough consistently. I just don't feel comfortable him being a solution for you. Like the thing, again, the reason it's been these Zook Zookar is like the baseline. His effort is always there. He's a good forechecker, good defensively. You can play with top end guys. He knows how to play his role, you know, and I think that's very important for how this team plays. The commitment they had to their style of play, to the details and, and being consistent game in and game out in terms of your expectations. That's the thing you also have to consider. That's why, you know, when I wonder about a, a terra vine and type who doesn't always show up in the best shape, say during training camp and a terra single type that can meander through a regular season a little bit on Manta type who has a bit of a inconsistent effort from time to time. Like to me, that doesn't scream guys that are going to have success here. Manta was getting healthy scratched by Vegas down the stretch. And now they have other options. But again, like I think guys with those types of questions are not going to be a fit here unless they change. And the reason they won't be fit probably is because if they would have changed, they probably would have changed by now. Yeah. I mean, Manta, he's got skill. He's got size. But you know, there's, there's a reason why he ended up having a bit of a reputation as he gets to free agency here. And I don't think you can just buy in on, you know, a shooting percentage boom that he had this past season. On the RFA front, you know, we got a text question here asking about, you know, guys like Kakko and Braden Schneider with the New York Rangers, who are restricted free agents. And would the Canucks consider offer sheets for those players? I would say, you know, for Kakko, I don't know if it's really going to, you probably don't need to offer sheet. And for a lot of these guys, it's more like, okay, what, what's the cost on an offer sheet? Would you take something similar in a trades and then we'll just go that way. And that's usually how it works and rather than why we don't see so many offer sheets. But the thing with a, like, Kakko does intrigue me, right? Like, that's a very interesting player with a big talent profile and a guy that, sure, in a perfect world, maybe you stick next to Elias Patterson and see how it works next year. Because, you know, he showed a lot of promise, had a really down year this year while Laffernier really started to pop. But is that a guy? If you give him a consistent top six role, he really starts to find himself and make good on his talent. Yeah. I mean, I'm, I'm not a games going after a player like that, right? And I'll. And as a left shot as well. Yeah. I mean, you know, the players over two million and for the Rangers, they're kind of capstrapped. You know, like it's, it's not an easy situation for them. No. That's, that's at least a name I would have on the radar, but, you know, yeah, and I'm probably, probably the price would be a second round pick. I mean, they probably asked, don't have a lot of, right. I mean, it's second round pick and probably something else is something they're asking for and whether they get that or not or where they're at. Like, but I'm, I'm not against that all going after a cockle type. Only 23. Yeah. And he's a guy you can project and say, okay, perhaps if he comes here and plays and he might take that step and there is a guy Eley Tolvenin as well. But the question is for a 25 year old and again, he might get better, but is he anything more than what he is, which is like 16, 18 goal square, a good shot, but like, is, does he have another level to him? Cause he's an intriguing name in Seattle who there are some question about whether he's going to be there a long term. He's also at least from an analytics perspective has a good two way profile is shown to be at least defensive minded as well or can be. So there's some really good traits there for, for him. There's a lot of these RFA players that can be interesting, you know, what would the cost be? Do any of them get not qualified and end up as unrestricted free agents a little bit later on? And that's something you can look at. I just don't know, well, it's not that I don't know what I do know. The Canucks don't have a lot of assets to trade. And that makes these conversations very difficult because what do we see RFA types coming off their first contracts, the teams may be soured on or whatever. What do they usually go for? Oh, if they were a higher end draft choice, probably a second round pick, third round pick. Canucks don't have a lot of these to move. Well, they don't have any of those to move. You know, and people are asking us, what about a guy like Nick, Nick, a lot of healers. So the question I have more than anything is, what does Winnipeg want in return? Yeah. And he has one of your left on his contract, right? And this is where hockey trades are of the utmost importance. You know, I could see Winnipeg being interested in a in a Philopronic type, but again, you know, does Philopronic have an appetite to play in Winnipeg? So yeah, I mean, money talks ultimately if they're the team that's willing to give them the eight million. Yeah. Perhaps. But I mean, Josh Morrissey is their power play one guy. Yeah. I would want to trade a chronic for Nikolai Eelers anyways. No. Like, I like a lot of what Eelers can do, but also you talk about consistency at times. Like, I like a lot of what Eelers can provide. I just don't know what how the trade happens because that's probably a guy they look at and say, if we're trading him now, we want maybe a first round pick or a really good prospect. Yeah. And is that the guy you're doing that for if you're Vancouver? Yeah. If it's a hockey trade, what hockey trade aligns for you? One really doesn't. So, I mean, I'm not against the player. It's more about you look at the fit. I just don't know how you make that work unless Winnipeg's looking to dump him, which I don't think they are. Like, I don't think they're just looking to just dump the six million. If they're looking to just salary dump it, you can get him on cheap. Yeah. Okay. Sure. Interesting. But there's going to be too many teams that are interested in that kind of a player. Yeah. If there aren't enough, you know, higher-end guys or guys with speed profiles too. Yeah. Now he hasn't had a ton of playoff success, right? Like, is one of those guys too. But again, like, is Vancouver in a position where they're trading a second round pick for a guy who's going to be an expiring contract? Or not? And that's on the low end. Like, I don't think you're getting him for cheaper than a second, and even that's probably a stretch. Stan Rachow, Satyar Shah, by the time the draft and free agency rolls around, there's not going to be. If you listen to the show regularly, there won't be a name that is a surprise to you as far as potential targets for the Vancouver Canucks. I think we'll name all like 300, whatever free agents by the end of this month. Well, this is the thing, it's so obvious what the Canucks need, right? Well, it's something that they - their needs haven't really changed from the deadline, either, because remember what Alavien said, he's like, "We have very specific needs we're trying to address." And we wanted to get it forward, and we couldn't make it happen. Yeah, and it's like everything else is like, "Sure, but is that really what we need to do?" There was two things I came away from our post-deadline chat with Patrick Aldin. I came away. I'm like, "Yes, the Corona comment he made, oh, yeah, we've made a contract offer to Filopronica, a very fair offer." Yes. An offer we think is very fair, which was the money clip, but it was also very obvious how disappointed he was to not be able to get more done at the deadline and specifically add another forward. And when we first talked to him, he said, "Well, I was knocking on people's doors, but nobody would let me in." So as far as specific needs go, they haven't hid from it. They want an extra forward. They want to add somebody to their top six. Hasn't happened yet. Can it happen? Of course it can. It is their top priority going into the offseason. We'll see where they end up with it. Oh, I got corrected. Chris sent me a message to Foley has not played for Edmonton either, Edmonton and Ottawa. You said that he had played for every Canadian team outside of Ottawa. Yes. Edmonton is also a team that hasn't played for. Well, five of the seven is still pretty good. You know who has played for Edmonton? Who is that? Luke Gaoztik. Oh, it is. Facts only sat. I don't know if you knew this. I don't know if it came across. Facts only. I don't know if that came across in any of the recent comments. One thing I will say about Luke Gaoztik is that I don't think he spilled a bottle of water in the Hockey Night Studios. No, did he spill his credibility though? Whoa! No, I'm just kidding. Maybe. Just jokes. Stan Ricio, Satyoshi, I see Josh has now posted a shorter gift of my immediate panic after dropping the water. It was multiple. Reaction. The reactions are really good. The moment the bottle drops, you just see like a blank, oh bleep. That's a yeah. It's great. Watch it on Twitter. All right. Hopefully at WolfJ. All right. It is Canucks Central. More on the other side. Next on Sportsnet 650. Hey, it's Mike Alford and Jason Bruff. Join us for Alford and Bruff in the morning weekdays for 6 to 9 a.m. on Sportsnet 650. Or on demand anytime through your favorite podcast app. Final segment here on Canucks Central, Stan Ricio, Satyoshi, we survived. Yes. I'm really curious to see what the studio is going to be like tomorrow. The great spill of 2024. Great spill. Let me have survived. These guys have been like putting paper towels down the whole time. I'm just sitting here all like still flustered with myself for dropping the bottle. So sad. Yeah. Ryan Mount Castle is hitting dingers as you watch us clean up this water. This guy is like the Orioles are up 7 nothing on the on the Blue Jays. Like if Luke Gazdik called the Blue Jays a joke, totally fine right now. So I see it Ryan Mount Castle who is like, okay, he's he's a major league ball player. I wouldn't say he's incredible. Like he's got a career 7 79 OPS. That's, that's good. 265 batting average good player, but then against the J's, he's got a career 9 60. This is before today where he has two home runs 962 OPS. A 586 slugging percentage and now has 14 home runs in his career against the Toronto Blue Jays. He does not have more than eight against any other team. He has played against in his professional baseball career. He is the all time. Sorry. Not. Yeah. He is the all time biggest blue Jays killer. Is he right now right now, right now, maybe not, because I remember Manny Ramirez one time, like 20 runs. Man Ram did it. Then he had like 18 RBI's one gaming is J's or whatever 18 RBI's must have been sure. I know man. I used to crush the J's. I don't know about 18 RBI's maybe back in the day when a score used to do the highlights all the time. I know, you know, and everything. I remember the best graphic I saw was a Manny Ramirez versus the Blue Jays. It was like 18, whatever, like they won 20 to two, whatever it was. And Manny had a, I don't know what it was, but it was like, it felt like a dozen RBI or something. Yeah. He is. Man Ram used to crush the J's. Felt like he would put it into the fifth deck at Roger Center every time they were visiting. So then I did a quick search, all time, biggest point scorers against a Vancouver Canucks. No surprise who leads the list. Like it's, it's on exercise because like basically the 80s Oilers. Yeah. It's like, I mean, Wayne Gretzky, Gretzky, Messier, Curry, coffee, all of them. So when Anderson, so who's the player that's like high on the list to you? That's like, yeah, this guy's like, was okay, but he really crushed the guy. Like a real Canuck killer. Yeah. So this probably helps with more of my, my vintage, but like, I remember Milan Haiduk. He used to just like, oh, absolutely rush the Canucks. Haiduk was the guy. Like he would crush it like under the radar guy who just absolutely dominated Vancouver. Like he put on like, yeah, I'm a Hall of Famer. When I play the Vancouver Canucks hat, like it was Milan Haiduk. He was good, but he was like, yeah, he had, he had a 150 goal year, 141 goal year. Yeah. And a couple of 30 goal years in addition to that too. But yeah, against Vancouver was, he was me, may as well have been the best goal score in the league. 81 games, Milan Haiduk against the Canucks in his career. And only 68 points, 36 goals, 32 assists, but like, that would be a solid season. That's so good. Like more. It felt like more. It felt like a guy that absolutely crushed the Canucks. Iggy was pretty good. Drum again. Right. He used to beat up the guy. That's pretty good. Oh, Iggy used to too. Like David is a guy now that obviously does it pretty, pretty well on dry side. Lee and Siri, Brian Ralston in my Minnesota. That's a good one. Ralston and Gabrick used to eat up the Canucks, chew up the Canucks quite a bit too. Yeah. But I felt like Ralston would. Canuck killers. Yeah. So names that. Tyler Tofoli. Tyler Tofoli. Yeah. After he left Vancouver, he was just like that north division here. It's just like. So how many goals is Tofoli getting tonight? It's like the best anytime goal bet you could ever make. Can you be cashed in every single time? Surprise names on the list. Marcel Dion. Mm-hmm. Legend. Bernie Nichols. Yeah. Hey, Bernie Nichols. The most underrated 70 goal scorer in NHL history, Bernie Nichols. And then it's kind of a lot of guys you would expect. Timu Solani, Luke Robitai, Joe Saccic. Yeah. Burnaby Joe played good at home. No, no kidding. Yeah. There's been a lot of killers over the years. It's you know some guys you know it's it's kind of like Brock Besser versus the Pittsburgh Penguins some teams you just you have the vibe against I guess yeah and the Ryan Mound Castle does it to the Blue Jays. Yeah I mean it's it's pretty sad it's pretty sad season. Are we ready to pull the plug on this Blue Jays season? Not yet but it's getting close. I mean I am. I don't know. I just don't know how to fix them. They're just not very good. No. No they're not great. I mean there's not a lot of redeeming qualities about them. People keep talking about John Schneider and I'm just like this is one of those I don't know if John Schneider is particularly the problem. Listen is it the 250 million dollar payroll or the guy making the lineup decisions? Yeah like do you think do you think Ross Atkins was rethinking his free agency strategy after everybody was signing these bargain deals towards the end of right before spring training and like the Blue Jays just like went crazy for Kevin Keirmeyer and Isaiah Kiner Folefa? So what what front office in the NHL do the Blue Jays front office remind you of? Oh that's a good one. They think they're the smartest guys in the room. Mm-hmm but they're kind of not. Carolina. Yeah but I mean at least Carolina is getting to like conference finals consistently like the Blue Jays haven't won a single playoff game in like forever right? Yeah so who are long-standing general managers in the in the NHL? Like Ken Holland doesn't really fit the bill. I know that was a big topic on hockey Twitter today because somebody was giving flowers out to Peter Chirelli. Yeah is it Steve Eiserman? Eiserman yeah me but he's also like one previously. Yeah but he hasn't yeah I mean guess with Tampa. Yeah but in terms of current program I think Red Wings would probably be the team because the other ones like you know they get a lot of accolades too and it's like are they actually any good? Yeah. Do they have anything else at a Raymond and Cider? No like actually no. And he's what five years now six years almost in in Detroit like it hasn't been a short amount of time. It started April 2019. Yeah and what have the Red Wings accomplished in that time? Yeah at least I mean having the playoffs. At least the Jays have made the playoffs. Like usually you give a GM a five-year plan and if you're not making the playoffs by the end of five years. Ooh I got the team the Devils. Ooh yeah I was gonna throw their mount there too. At least the Devils have some more longevity you know youth wise but that's the team that have been like people are like they're so smart they're so smart it's like are they really though? They have some of the best contracts in the league though. The thing about the Blue Jays is that I don't think the league thinks that they're smart. You know what I mean? Yeah no I know. They think they are. To reach this point like all the stuff about okay so you guys are supposed to understand market and efficiencies and you guys are ahead of the curve and all these things. How come you're signing Isaac kind of falafel to that contract and then to his point all these bargains are available and you now you can't buy anybody. Yeah. You can't get anybody and you think about it like well they spent about how much did they spend this off season. Like 40 and 50 million. Yeah they spent 15 million on on Falefa and they gave Keurmaier a pretty. But even per year right so they spent like what 25 30 million per year on these guys. You're telling me you couldn't spend 25 30 million better for this year than the guys you brought in and you're supposed to be the smart guys and you're spending 250 million dollars on this team. Definitely not the smart guys. And every single year it's very clear what your holes are during the season. Yeah you don't address them. Yep. And then you try to do something by the deadline but you can't make deals and then we make trades the guys you add you talk about service time. We have 45 years of service time back in return. Who cares. Can they play 45 years of service time. Remember that time he see he they counted together all the players in the service time they had. I'm like are they good though. They're actually good. It's like getting seven first seven round picks. Great. I'm happy for you. I hope they had. I think it's Ron Francis. You think. Yeah Ron Francis. But he's like his his issues been being passive. Yeah. Remember like. I mean the J's are kind of passing in Carolina he was super passive and people were like are you ever gonna make a trade. Like try to make the team better. What is happening here. But who have the J's added like it's been Gosman who they signed burials for the traded for. It's been the pitching starting pitching staff. Yes. They have not a single hitter. They got Springer I think right. Yeah but I mean he's not hitting right now. No he's not. He was good for a couple years. Oh their big trade was Dalton Varsho. That's not working. I mean Varsho's playing better this year. Better this year. Better but it's like come on. But you gave up Morales. Like that was your big trade Moreno right now. That was just Morales. Yeah. That would have been a win man. That would have been a win. But I mean I mean he's. I'll never forget the way Kendra's Morales broke his leg. Jumping on a plate. Oh. Stop it. Not doing this after a walk off Homer again. That one was tough. Yeah. It was like so tough to watch. Tyler vicious in the rest of the week. Tyler texted and connects with Benning. Blue J's are 100% the Benning Canucks. Oh yeah. It's kind of close but the thing is like you know God bless Jim Benning and everything. But like I don't think they ever pretended to be like the smartest guys. No. Like you didn't hear this like BS jargon about you know this and that and trying to be all introspective and smart and then you make bad decisions. Benning wasn't talking about exit VeeLo like it was something to hold. Hang your hat on that the team is going to turn it around offensively. Like nobody. None of these guys are turning it around offensively. Comes out talking about Linden vase. Shot speed. Yeah. The one thing that is eternal for Canucks front offices though. Touting Guillaume Breeze Blah. Oh Guillaume Breeze Blah. Yeah. Different regimes. He's been he was drafted before Besser right. I think so right. So he was drafted before Besser. So he is the longest tenured Canucks or like associated Canucks I would say right because of the rights and all that sort of stuff right. And for the entirety of that time every single offseason he's been brought up as either down the road or next season. Yeah. Maybe he can be a guy. So him and Besser were drafted same year 2015. Yes. He was the he was a third round pick that year. He signed his contract before Besser did right. Yeah. That's what it was. And I guess Demko would be the longest tenured technically because he was a 2014 draft pick. Also. I think he was also signed after. Yeah he was signed after guys like Breeze Blah Breeze Blah. But yes the point well made by Satyarsha who saved my bacon today. Lou Lamarello nobody considers him the the smart guy in the room. So I mean Lou Lamarello is more like I don't know everybody's scared of Lou for some reason. Yeah the J's are really interesting it's hard to find a comparable but all I know is that it's not working it's not working and it's sold loads and like you guys know me I'm all for you know trying to be cutting edge trying to be progressive. You were trying to tell me it's early and now you're very much not on that early front. Like I said I'm not pulling the plug on the season yet I'm getting close to it but in terms of my faith and how that front office operates. Yeah. Like it's too much hubris man there really is like every single year they talk about how like how smart they're going to be by doing stuff and then they sell you this like it's it honestly comes off as snake oil right like it's like so much trying to sell you snake oil and after a while man like I'm I'm not gonna buy into this I'm just not buying it. I'm just not buying it. But then like of all the things so like you go back you had the subpar season you had and your brilliant plan was to run it back. You know what you know what this year is it was just like when the Canucks had their disaster nor division season yeah and then they didn't fire Benning right and it came back they ran it back again they gave green an extension yeah and they ran it back they ran it back and then it just absolutely crashed and burned right the following season and midway through the year they fired everybody yeah but that that's kind of what this reminds me of it's like this is all bad and you're doubling down on it again it is the Benning Canucks absolutely it really is. Speaking of the devils who we mentioned earlier could be open to trading the tenth overall pick this feels like one of those things that's fun pie in the sky kind of idea that's not actually going to happen. I mean hey technically a couple of top ten picks have been traded recently. I guess the Debrinkat one was more recent. The Brinkity after Korchinski ended up being Kevin Korchinski. So it doesn't doesn't necessarily happen all that often. No I mean I hear that stuff and I'm like oh yeah okay part of it is and we haven't really delved into the draft a ton and we will more here of the next few weeks because it's still interesting because you can't you also can't dismiss the possibility the Canucks add a first round pick yeah like for instance there is a world where if they can't sign a run if they make a trade and they actually have a pick so you know we are going to delve into the draft and then make sure we're up to date on what's going on but it's not the strongest top ten no it's a very it's a select few guys kind of and then it really tails off so if you're looking to trade a top ten pick or the tenth overall pick this might be the draft where you wouldn't have as much hesitation about it could a goalie garner a tenth overall pick we've garnered the ninth overall pick yeah that's a long time yeah true 2013 yeah I mean since then what was a laner went for it late yeah late first we we have seen guys get drafted in the first round more recently like Askarov I think Sebastian Koso was drafted in the first round as well so goalies have been getting drafted in the first round but it did seem like a thing of the past but if you're New Jersey like what does New Jersey need they need a goalie if you get Linus Almark for the tenth overall pick do you do it well I mean I think you do yeah so I mean Claude says would you guys trade she loves for the tenth overall pick in a heartbeat yeah I wouldn't think twice I like she loves a lot but you know I wouldn't hesitate that not and if you hesitate you shouldn't be a GM but it's not it's not happening though like it's like as good as she loves was and I'm sure his value has gone up and I'm sure people look you out of it and view him as being an option he doesn't have the pedigree despite playing for Latvia and he doesn't have the track record despite having good playoff consistently you're not trading a tenth overall pick for a goalie that's played 10 NHL games or whatever it is I would say the max value for him probably is a second yeah and even then I wonder like you know what I mean like that to me and I don't think why would the Canucks trade them for no the only goalie that would be worth the tenth overall pick on the Vancouver Canucks is that your them but even so coming off the injury yeah two years left at 5 million that's actually a really nice number yeah like from Nashville for New Jersey the number like I'm not the Canucks aren't trading them bad I don't like that to me doesn't make sense for the Canucks no exactly it's what the best situation for the Canucks next season is having them go and she loves beer tandem yeah and the best situation long term would be that after next season she loves plays so well and you feel confident giving him the reins long term yeah but that's something that has to still be proven and I don't think we're anywhere near us being able to determine that at this point in time we are assured that she loves is going to be the next number one goalie here in Vancouver like it's it's still a long way to go before he proves that it's very promising he's on the right track he could very well do it I hope he does it but let's you know pump the brakes on how close that is yeah it's still mean to see a lot from Arthur's she loves all right you can see a lot of me panicking as I spill a water bottle at sports since 650 on Twitter sat does his best I'm trying to keep my composure and he does it well actually I do commend you for that I don't know man I guess I don't know what to do except for like gotta keep going and I love that like as when I looked up to look behind the glass to see what with the producers are doing both we're gone there was like well I really hope that they're going to get paper towels they don't like you know we're out can't fix this man they spoke to action I will say Josh was in here in a hurry you know like they're on top of it as usual my team saving my ass that's usually how it goes around these parts see now Zach you've you've been part of a real chaotic moment on the show in this radio station and that's gonna live on forever everyone's gonna remember the time a reach spilled water live on the show all over the board well not the board the only thing that was missing was the hand gesture to myself of course the reaction those two yeah all right new adventures tomorrow plus an overrated underrated coming on Canucks Central for producers Zach and Josh my co-host sat I'm Dan and of course you the listener we appreciate you on Canucks Central
