(upbeat music) - Canuck Central Tuesday, it's Dan Reicho, Satyarsha here in the Kintec Studio. Kintec Canada's favorite orthotics provider, powered by thousands, thousands of five-star Google reviews, sore feet. What are you waiting for? Canuck Central is for Enzine Pacific, Vancouver's premier Chrysler, Dodge Ram, and Jeep Superstore. On second avenue between Camian and Maine, or at EnzinePacificCrisler.ca. Another day as the off-season continues for the Vancouver Canucks, and while there's been a lot of discussion about something happening that's almost completely unrelated to the team, media member having an outlash at the Vancouver Canucks. - Yeah, we addressed that yesterday. - We did, we did. - We look forward today. - We want to continue to look at how the Canucks are getting their ducks in a row. For what could be, well, what is a massive off-season for the club? Every off-season is massive. But this one with all the turnover, the unrestricted free agents, all that's happening, all the balls in the air, as you might say, and trying to get better at the same time. - By the way, when you hear balls in the air, do you think of like a juggling act? - Yeah, I do. - Okay. - That's kind of what I do, too. I think somebody's juggling a bunch of different balls and is trying to, you know. - Can you juggle? - I mean, no. - No? - That's definitely what it means, by the way, balls in the air. - Right, Josh, Josh is built different. Can you juggle? - Not anymore. - No. - Could you before? - I couldn't before you. - Could you, okay. - But now I definitely cannot. - Employee Zack, can you juggle, no? - No, not a chance. - With two working arms. (laughing) - Sounds of our arms. - And also we give a very hearty alguri. Congratulations to Josh as he's got his second arm back. The cast is off. - Such a freeing life. - I forgot how nice things were when you don't have a cast on your arm. - Especially on your like dominant hand as well. - I can use the mouse now. - Yeah, very good. (laughing) - You can actually hold the mouse. - Yeah. - All right, another list. Let's get into the Canucks. It's the open. - Welcome to the open. - Oh, that's your home. Are you too good for your home? Answer me. - The open, the latest on the Vancouver Canucks and our take on it. So as I mentioned, there's a lot of balls in the air here. So the Canucks are juggling quite a bit as the off season is getting underway and starting to get into full swing. They're trying to figure out what they can do, what they can't do, and ultimately how they position this team to be even better than it was this past year. Because, you know, they got dusted by the Edmonton Oilers according to some. (laughing) - Kidding aside. - A new definition of dusted. - A new definition of dusted. Kidding aside, you know, it doesn't feel like the Canucks have bad money on their books in the way that they had in prior years sat. But as Elliot Friedman mentioned today with Donnie and Dolly, that doesn't necessarily mean they won't look to potentially move out some contracts and find a way to get even more cat flexibility going into this off season. - Yeah, so if we go by what Elliot mentioned on Donnie and Dolly, as you said, they're trying to move contracts potentially out, not just A contract, but contracts. - And that, you know, makes it interesting, right? Because, you know, you look at their cat book and you look at some of the names, I mean, we've talked about it before, right? Besser, is that a name that could be moved, maybe before the blood clot issue, right? Because you have to make a decision, right, yeah. - You have to make a decision on his contract. Are you going to extend this player going into the final year of their current contract and becoming unrestricted at the end of this deal? Connor Garland started last year right in the thick of trade rumors, so there's a player. And, you know, maybe the one that is considered bad money now coming off the season that he just had, missing that several glorious opportunities in the Euler series and certainly the one in game seven where he had Stuart Skinner beat but couldn't get it into the net. - William McKayev is probably the most onerous contract currently on the books. - Yeah, he's a guy who's underperforming the most, right? And I know people are, I'm sure the text messages about Patterson will come in in just a second but in terms of, you know, what you're actually looking at, McKayev's the guy, right? Besser, as we've discussed, because of everything going on with him, there's a holding pattern and I'm not anticipating anything on Besser, I think it's going to be him coming back to training camp and seeing how everything goes and hopefully everything is on the up and up and positive and good and we'll see what happens at that point, you know what I mean? But right now, I'm not anticipating anything with Besser. Garland, he's an interesting one because you can look at it and say he played well enough that you may feel like you've created, you have something tangible on your third line now with Connor Garland being there and if you are trying to free up money to keep a guy like Joshua and Zadorov, while Joshua and Garland work together. So does Joshua work as well without Garland? - Well, I don't sign Joshua if I have that fear, though. - Yeah. - You can't be signing him if you think he's dependent on somebody else being good. - That's totally fair, especially. Like if he's making less than a million bucks, sure. But if he's making three between three and four, that's a totally different conversation. - Yeah, and so I think Garland's an interesting one 'cause I think with how he played and especially in the postseason, I'm sure you can trade him. Now, I don't know what it would look like. Last year we talked about how he was owed 17 million. That's changed now. You're talking about more like 12 million he's owed or 11 million or so he's owed. Yeah, 11 million he's owed total this year and next season. - So it's a little bit more than his cap charge, but not significantly more. - Yeah, so it's like, okay. It's one of those things where it's more palatable. You may have to still take something in some way or whatever. Like maybe there has to be something that you have to do. But I think you could move Garland. The question is, do you wanna move him? - Yeah, and I'm not sure that I do right now. Not with so many question marks about what I'm able to get in free agency and what I'm able to get in trade. Because again, when you look at the free agent market, there's not a ton of great options there. So what are you moving Garland to get? Is it to get cat flexibility to do some other things? Is it to get assets to do other things? - At the end of the day, right now, you're still downlin' home. You were already down another impact top six forward. So how does moving out Garland help you in that category? So now you've gotta go out and get three forwards to help in your top nine group. I mean, it's a lot to ask, a lot to do in one off season. - I mean, you guys know when it comes to me and I'm open to moving Garland, despite the fact that I think he's done really well. - He was their best player in the playoffs. - I'm all close to it. - He was one of their best players in the playoffs. - He was definitely one of their best players in the playoffs. - And I gave lots of love to Garland. I've come around it in a big way and I think he played a lot better, more direct, but we don't need to revisit that nonetheless, right? What if you're moving Garland but you know you're getting something back in return somewhere? Like I think that's how you would operate him. And that's how like, okay, in a vacuum, I agree. It's hard to replace a player like that if you look into a salary dump him. But if it actually opens you up to do a couple of things upfront, then that's interesting. - Yeah. - The question is, are you able to pull that off? We know Jake Genssel's going to market. We're gonna talk to Irff and I know he's mentioned that maybe he wants to play in the States, not so much a Canada, but in terms of, if you move Garland, now you have the money. Like there's no issues at all in terms of you maybe bringing back some of your U of Fates and going after a player like that. But could you also make a trade where you're getting a player back where Garland's going the other way? - Yeah. - Where like you're shifting the money. So right now we're talking about finding a winger for Pedersen. What if you're moving Garland and getting somebody who can play alongside Pedersen? - Then that makes a little bit more sense. But you know, I just wonder how much value Garland still has around the league. For as much as yes, he's got more value than he did in October or last summer. I still have some questions about what you're going to be able to get with that player, even with two years left on his deal and coming off the season that he just had. - Okay, how about we revisit that a little bit when we talk about naychas? But Mikayev, is that realistic? - In terms of moving, before we move off the moving salary part, like how realistic is it to move Mikayev? I think you can move Mikayev. Well, look, and this all ties in with what we're going to talk about with naychas, but you're not moving. I'm not moving Ilia Mikayev if I have to part with a draft pick. Like this team just can't afford to continue to expend assets like that. I mean, it's a debate whether they can even trade a pick to acquire a player right now. - Right, so how can you justify trading a pick to move off of Mikayev's salary? It has to be some kind of a move where a team likes Ilia Mikayev or what he used to be and thinks they can get him back and they're probably giving you still money back in return, but maybe a little bit lesser. Maybe it's a $3 million contract or a two and a half million, I don't know, but I don't think you're getting the full $4.75 million off of your books if you're trading Ilia Mikayev and I'm definitely not even entertaining any idea of attaching an asset to move Ilia Mikayev right now. - If you're making a bigger deal, right? Let's say you're making a trade where you're trying to acquire a really super high-end player. Let's say you're trying to get somebody who's a legitimate top six forward or somebody who's say, you know. - By the way, I'm a jerk and I just spilled water everywhere in the studio. - That's right. - This is a disaster. - This is a bit of a disaster, but it's all right. - This is a disaster, I love how Sat tried to keep us cool. - Like you could hear the water bottle falling and everything, Josh sprung to action, two hands, and he's ready to go get some paper towels and fix this mess that I just created. Unbelievable, what a coward, the lid just felt. Trying to grab the water bottle. - Things happen, I'm just glad I got out of the way. I'm not wet myself, so I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. - I think the computers are okay, hopefully. - It's good, I think, honestly, you know, my computer's a company computer, so whatever. - It's not my fault, it's all video, so they won't blame me anyway. - We just hope that all of the equipment is going to be okay in all of this. - Yeah, but it's all right. - We survived. - We survived. - We survived, you know, as far as what you were mentioning, too, though, right, like, if you're trading Mikayev, let's say you're acquiring a nature-ass type. - Yes. - And that you're including Mikayev in a bigger package, right, and we can talk about that when we get to the nature-ass thing, 'cause I think there are different ways to kind of approach that. Like, if you look at it from that aspect, then I think there are pathways you can move 'em, but I don't think there's a realistic way for you to move him, and you expect to get all the money off the books. - Yeah. - And if I'm moving him and taking back another contract that is also a bit of a problem contract, I'd just rather bet on Mikayev balancing back next season than doing that. - Yeah, Mikayev, a year off from his knee injury, you have to hope that there is a chance you can get back to some of what he used to be. Again, I keep bringing this up. I brought it up a thousand times. His Raymond will remind us on the text message inbox. - I got a text from Bruff. That was a huge clang that he spilled a barrel of water. It was very loud, yeah. - It's not quite Josh Elliott-Wolf's massive bottle of water, but yeah, it was a full canister of water. A full canister. - Yeah. - If Josh was recording, we may be able to post the thing. - I think it is all recorded. And Josh is like a trooper. He's like leading it up right now. - Oh, Josh is like doing everything he can to make sure that this is okay. - It's on video too, so the boss may need to give him a raise. And he's doing it with a busted up wrist as well. That's a great part. - Well, this is part of his rehab now. Yeah, great. Thanks, Josh. - I think we're okay. - We're good. We're good for now. - Nothing is blown up. - No, not yet. - Yet. - No. - Raymond. - Note to self, don't bring up moving the kay of to Dan. - Well, almost blew up the studio doing it. - Jeffro, it's Luke Gazdick's fault. Another tech sat kept it professional. Well, he definitely did. - It's trying to. I mean, I didn't want the whole segment to get derailed completely. Like it was such a disaster in terms of how much water was coming at me. There was two ways of reacting. One was like completely like a lose it or just trying to do the show still, man. - I'm sorry. Sam was trying to keep it cool. I'm just like, there's no way we can avoid, you know, not pointing this out. - The sound of the ball went there. - Oh my goodness. - There's a lot of water. Yeah, Josh is like, how much water is there? - I brought like the first load of paper towels and that was not nearly enough. - Honestly, there's so much water on the carpet. I think we need a dehumidifier or something. Like I'm worried about molding. (laughing) - Don't trust water bottles. That's, if you're going to grab the water bottle, grab it by the bottle. Like I made the mistake of grabbing it by the lid. And I filled it up just before the show began. And clearly I did not fixate the lid properly onto the bottle. So that's the situation, man. - This text, I would trade Mikayev for a canister of water. (laughing) - Did Dan spill a Stanley? I mean, it's about the same size. - No Stanley cups were spilled today. - Apparently the sound is really funny and loud. So we have to bring that, can you bring the sound back? You have it ready? - According to the sound. - Let us know we have it ready, all right? - The sound was very good. - Oh man. - All right. So yeah, we'll get back to that on the roundup. We'll round up to the water disaster before we get out of for the segment and play back the audio. But yeah, so Mikayev, so let's move off Mikayev. - Yes, and Martin H.S. - N.S. - So let's get to N.S. What did Elliot say about N.S. today? - He was on Donnie and Dolly. And I think this is kind of ties in with what we've talked about. Like, do the hurricanes really want Philip pronic? Is that ultimately what's going to get it done for Martin H.S? And here's what Elliot Friedman had to say about the Canucks interest in N.S. and ability to get a trade done. - Well, there's definitely, you know, everybody kind of there seems to know the situation, which is that he's available. You know, I know there's been some talk about him going back and playing in Carolina next year. I don't believe that's the option, that I don't believe that's the preferred option. I think that, I think that everybody here would kind of be willing to move on. You know, the worst comes to worst, the hurricanes could simply take him to arbitration. But I'm not even convinced 100% that they, that's the move that they want to do. You know, as you guys know, when they were talking Patterson and Patterson, you know, it says he doesn't believe that was ever going to happen. But when they were talking about it, you know, both of those guys were in that deal. I think it's a harder deal to do now that Patterson is not going to be dealt. You know, I think that they're probably talking about some of your top prospects. And, you know, the ask is big. I think, like I don't think that Ronik is going to do this. I think they're going to want some of your top prospects too, or one of your top prospects. I've just been told it's a harder deal to prevent Hoover to do now that the talks are not the same as they were, whatever they were before the deadline. - So maybe the Caroline Hurricane's not as interested in moving Martin H.S. to Vancouver when Elias Patterson is not a part of the deal. - Yeah, well, obviously it's a lot more complicated, and we spoke about the whole heroic thing. It's like if they're not convinced about paying. - They have a track record of not paying guys. - Yeah, and Ronik's looking at A plus. - Yeah. - That's what he's been rumored to want. - Yeah, so if that's what he's looking at, it looks like it would be a tough one for them to pull off. And then it comes down to, okay, prospect capital and young players, I'm sure they want somebody to help you out. Yeah, I mean, it connects to have pieces. If the connects tomorrow offered Garland Hoglander and say Willander, or like Kara Mackie, is Carolina saying no? - Garland Hoglander and Lakera Mackie? Yeah, that would get it done. - Right, but do you want to get it done? - But do you want to do that? - Probably not. - So that's the thing, you're giving up, what, 40 goals in exchange for 24, plus your top prospect? - So it's not a matter of can the Canucks do it. It's more about should the Canucks do that, right? And I think the Canucks are at a spot where they can go after a player like that and blow all the capital they have, but then that will be all they have. And if we look at how much the Canucks have already sacrificed this year, and it was worth it, you got to the game seven to the second round and you could have maybe should have, depending on how you feel about being up three, two in that series, have advanced one more round, right? So the capital you gave up is imminently fine with the season that you had, right? But they don't have a first round pick this year, no second round pick. And then next year they have their first and 20, 26 they have their first and two seconds, right? How much more can you trade at this point in time? You don't have a third in 2025 and 20, 26. So like they have very little capital right now, draft pick wise to move. So if you're making a trade, you have one bullet. If you're trying to move prospect or pick capital. And are you spending that on naychas? If you can't make a hockey quote unquote deal when you're trading a player for a player. - I'm not, is he the guy you're doing that for? - I'm not really all that keen in moving any of the Canucks top prospects. - Neither am I, and I don't think he's the guy I'm doing it for. - There's a reason why they wouldn't do that for Gensil at the deadline. And you know, yeah, you can moan and groan about the top picks that the Canucks have given up. Certainly this front office just gave up their first this year and traded the extra first that they had last year for Phillip Peronic. So they've traded firsts, but a lot of the issues on the farm are due to the previous regime trading first just to try to get a team into the playoffs. And obviously it never really worked out. You can't keep doing that. You can't keep spending those dollars. You can't keep spending those futures and expect to be able to have a competitive window through the entirety of the remainder of Quinn Hughes's contract. And certainly the remainder of Elias Pederson's eight year deal. Which is like you want to be competitive through that and you're going to need some cheap talent. You can't do that if you're trading away or first and second round picks every single year. - No, no, and you can do it at times, but you can't continually do it. And I think there is, like I said, this off season, I can live with you trading one of those assets if you're getting somebody a long term. It's how many of them. And I don't know if Nate Chas is the guy I'm doing that for, right? Like if you could have done her own, if they want her her own, you can't sign them and that's the type of swap you're looking at. Okay, some sense you still have to address your blue line, but I see that making some level of sense for you. I don't love the idea of him being my target if I'm sacrificing those assets. - It's a tough one because like Romaki and Willander, it's very hard for me to come to grips with an idea of trading either one of those players. It has to be like an undeniable addition to the team. - Well, listen, we don't know how some of these prospects are going to develop over the next few years. But as we speak today, the Canucks have two prospects you can look at and say, okay, these guys are not likely but have a very good chance to be legitimate, higher end players. - Yeah. - And that's like your mackey and Willander. That's it. Everybody else is kind of like, you know, Elias Patterson has looked good on the back end, but you're not talking about a guy that you can look at right now and say he's going to be a surefire at top four. - I don't think they have, like, okay, we can be intrigued by our steep gains and some of these guys that have come along and have done a lot of work to put themselves on the radar for NHL jobs. But they're not exactly guys that move the needle for teams outside of the market when you talk trade. - Yeah. - Like even Pod Colson doesn't really have any trade value. - Well, we saw what happened. The Canucks were trying to make trades but not wanting to trade like Keramaki or Willander or another first of the deadline. - And New Jersey, even for Tifoli, was like, "Yeah, no, I think we'll just take whatever Winnipeg's offering." - Yeah, and other trades they couldn't make, right? Teams didn't rate those assets enough. And even if you're looking at the longer term ones, and again, somebody may develop and perhaps changes this in a year or so and we're hopeful that they do. But as we're sitting here, they don't have a ton coming at the high end. They have guys that you feel good about, "Hey, they're gonna play games. They're gonna give you some depth. They'll be intriguing players for you." But in terms of clear succession pathways because of their talent, there aren't a ton that you look at and saying, "Well, in two and three years, you're gonna see this player potentially play with Patterson, play with J.E.T." Or be Quinn Hughes's partner, like there aren't a ton of those guys, right? So you gotta be really careful if you move in those guys. So the Carolina stuff, if you look, the more you look at it, I think it's less likely it is that Vancouver pulls that off. - All right, closing this out with the Canucks Central Roundup and a couple of more things from Elliot on some of the unrestricted free agents. There is a thought that the Canucks admire is kind of where the number is going to be, but as you mentioned earlier this week's at or last week, probably waiting for other things to sort of come in line before locking in Tyler Myers. - Yeah, I mean, clearly they wanna bring him back, but the Canucks are still trying to do a lot of bigger things. And until you have some more clarity on how you're spending your money, I don't know if they're gonna make that commitment. - Yeah, you wanna keep as much of your book clean as you possibly can while you're trying to make a big addition to the team. As for Nikita Zadora, it seems like they know the number, but it's quite high, so there is still some consternation over that. And with Elias Lindholm, actually the athletic ranked Lindholm is the third best UFA center behind Reinhardt and Stankos, who I guess aren't really true centers in the way that Elias Lindholm are. So Lindholm's kind of the best true center on the market, which we knew, and they are projecting him to get pretty much close to eight over seven years. So still $56 million total or close to that. And that is probably a number that is far too uncomfortable for the Vancouver Canucks. So that's where those things stand. The devils are open to trading the number 10 overall pick. That's what Tom Fitzgerald said, would take something significant though. So keep that in mind. He's just keeping some doors open for maybe getting a goalie on that roster. And finally, here's me dropping the ball. Or the water in the segment. - If you're making a bigger deal, right? Let's say you're making a trade where you're trying to acquire. (laughing) - That's very loud. - And the panic after you hit the key room trying to grab it. - A trade where you're trying to acquire. (laughing) - You can hear the water spilling pretty good. - Yeah, it's very loud. I get it now. - What a disaster. - The video's great 'cause you can see it flooding in on sat angle. - Video will be posted shortly. - All right, all right, I can't wait to see this myself. - All right, so more of me being pathetic and sat putting up with me. It's coming up next on Canucks Central.
