(upbeat music) (dramatic music) - Welcome to a special Friday edition of "Wallowing in the Shallows," the podcast that skirts the perilous drop off of a deep dive into television and movies. We are academic nerds aspiring to become TV and movie geeks. There are no spoiler guards in the shallows, so listen at your own wrists. This week, join us for a wallow in the alkalite, season one. (upbeat music) - Hey, hello peeps. Welcome to "Wallowing in the Shallows," this is Tori. - And this is Rebecca. And today we are talking about the alkalite, season one, episode one, lost and found, and season one, episode two, "Revenge Justice." - Before we really dive into this, we just wanna remind everybody, we're not spoiler free, so if you haven't seen the alkalite yet, you probably don't wanna listen, but once you have watched the alkalite, please come back and listen to us, Jibber Jabber, all about it. - And I mean, it's lost/found and revenge/justice, which I think is kind of a cool thing for us to talk about for these titles. - Yeah, I mean, I mean, with the whole twins, and the Jedi and Sith, and especially with the revenge and justice, it's like two sides of the same coin kind of thing, just depending upon how you look at it, so just some cool stuff with those titles. - Yeah, and I think that's pretty representative of Star Wars, it's always been really binary. You know, there's the good and there's the evil, and there's not a lot of gray in Star Wars. Maybe that's changing a little bit with some of the characters, but maybe as we start to explore the origins of everything, there'll be more murky stuff, but, you know. - Yeah, this is clearly referencing twins, and... - Mm-hmm. - I'm just gonna say, I'm not sold yet. - Oh. - On the series, not that I didn't, I mean, it was okay. - Okay. - But the problem is, I don't care about anybody yet. - Oh, interesting. - So, I have zero investment at this point. - Okay, they haven't earned your business yet. - They haven't sucked you in. - Nope, they have not. Which type of surprised me? I mean, I don't know how many episodes this season's gonna be. - If they follow the format, I imagine it'll be like six. And according to Eric Voss, 'cause of course, I had to watch Voss, (laughs) although I also have to admit, I fell asleep about halfway through his very long Easter egg episode, so I missed a bunch, 'cause I didn't have time to go back. But I did hear him say, 'cause he got invited to go see a preview of episodes one and two, like in LA. - Okay, the Star Wars people. - Yes. - I need to get to talk to what, I wrote her name down. Leslie Headland. - Okay, who's the series runner? - I guess. - The show runner. - The show runner, yes, thank you. And she directed and wrote the first episode. And so he, and a few other people, it wasn't a big group. I mean, I don't even think it was a dozen, but they got to sit down and talk with her. And she said episode five is kind of gonna be the one that really gets everybody talking. - Okay. - So something to look forward to, but I mean, I need to be invested long before that. - Interesting, so nobody drew you in. I did not know much about this show going in. I'm not even sure I saw a trailer. - I saw one. - Okay, I did hear something about it. I knew it was, you didn't need to know anything really about the Star Wars universe to jump right in there. And that it was predating kind of everything. - Right. - And that was attractive to me. I did not know there were twins. I did not know Trinity from the Matrix was gonna be in the first episode. And she was killed immediately, which devastated me. I hope she's gonna be in more. I haven't looked at the episodes to see if she's gonna come back in some purpose. - Got it. - So I hope so too. And I would say I'm kind of starting to like Saul. Is it Saul or Saul? - So better call Saul. - Better call Saul. And I kind of like OSHA already. And I'm intrigued by May. I do not, something is clear. I'm getting way ahead of myself, but something's fishy. Right, not everything is as it seems as we do. - For sure, for sure. I do have, I mean, you know, when we first carry on Maas refers to that character as the unidentified force user. So my notes have UFU written all over him. - Awesome. - And then of course we see OSHA. - Yes. - I'm like, "Now, why did they name her?" - After a federal safety inspector job. - Uh-huh. - Yeah. - And so then I couldn't get it out of my head. - Yes. - And I'm like, "Oh, that's the federal inspector again." - Yeah. - Who happens to not follow any OSHA regulations when working on the outside of these ships? - Yeah. - Safety and standards are not at play here. (laughing) - Lots of OSHA violations. - Exactly. - I think maybe that should be one of our things. OSHA violation, OSHA violation. Whenever something, I don't know. 'Cause I have a feeling that, and I'm getting ahead of myself now, that OSHA has no idea what really happened on whatever the name of her planet is. - Yes. - Brenick, Brenick or whatever. And... - Brenick. - Brendock. - Brendock. - Thank you, I was nowhere close. But, well, I was in the ballpark. - You were in the ballpark. - It's very clear, she doesn't really know what happened there. - Mm-hmm. - And May does. And so, I mean, my prediction is that as OSHA finds out, she's gonna tap into the dark force. And she will maybe become the acolyte. - Interesting. - Interesting. - But I don't know, because Saul clearly knows a heck of a lot more than he's letting on. Something, I mean, the Jedi had to have been at the center of what happened on her planet, if not causing it. - So, I think that neither of them have the total correct story. I think May's is closer. But I don't think, I think there are things May doesn't understand either. Though, I mean, oh gosh, who was the second assassination? Torvall, or... - Torvyn? - Torvyn, Torvyn clearly knows, clearly felt guilty and culpable for something. 'Cause he was quickly ready to, he'd been in a meditative trance since the time and was willing to take poison as kind of a penance for his part. So, yes, there is clear. I mean, she did not overly threaten him. He just kind of was like bottoms up. It did not take more than three minutes of convincing and he was willing to end his life. So, yeah, there is much. And maybe, maybe the knowledge isn't complete between the four Jedi, you know? - Could be. - Maybe Torvyn knows more than some of the others. I think Trinity's role's pretty sus. - I was surprised that they recognized her. I mean, they saw her as, well, I guess, no, I take that back. - I guess that I would recognize her because OSHA was a Jedi. - Yes. - I guess one of the other reasons that I'm not totally, like, gaga over it yet, is because there's nothing surprising about it so far. When we see Mei at the beginning, even though the only know her is a UFU at that point. - Yes. - And a unified force user. And then we meet OSHA and she kind of waking up and she's kind of having that dream thing. And all I kept thinking is like, oh, no, they're going to do an evil twin good twin thing. And I was just like, or she's going to have split personality. I'm like old tropes. And so I'm waiting for something to really surprise me and we're nowhere near that yet. - Okay, I hear your point about some, some some tired tropes. I think that the Trinity, Carrie Anne Moss, is that her name? - Yes, yes. - I, this was like Ned Stark with Game of Thrones. I was like, you have me at hello here, you know? So again, terrible that she dies immediately, but I just loved. And she's, she was just reprising her role as Trinity with that fight. I mean, it was such a matrix-esque, even down to, it seemed like the Jedi experience time slower that they were able to anticipate and just move slowly because they were so far ahead, just the way Neo did. So I really liked that. And a little bit of crouching tiger hidden dragon with running up stairways and on top of roofs and this kind of thing. So I think that choreography really drew me in as well. And it's not like I'm a big fight movie type person, but crouching tiger hidden dragon and matrix are like the two ones that are like, yes, I like this kind of almost a dance of fighting. - Yes, and they're both here. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of matrix references in here and I didn't catch this because I have only seen this movie once, but Vos brought up, there's a lot of, he was seeing a lot of kill-bill kind of references. - Oh, sure. - But being that the kind of fight with the running up the banisters and stuff like that. But yeah, I don't have a problem with the fight scenes. I rather enjoyed them. Although I did when you day up, not you day up, that's the planet. When you FU pulled out the knives, I'm like, what do you bring in knives to a Jedi fight for? - But they broke for her, what I sure did. - But she had to trick. - Yes. - Carrie Ann Moss, what was her character's name, Indara? - Indara, that's right. I'm gonna be saying Trinity a lot. I just cannot separate the two, but. - Yeah, I thought that must have been really kind of familiar for Carrie Ann. - Yes, agree. - But yeah, I lost my train of thought, let's go on. - Okay, okay, well, shall we kind of work our way through? We've kind of jumped forward and back a bit, but shall we kind of address it here? So I, oh, just one bizarre, something resolved in Rebecca's brain situation was, I apparently always thought the word was alkalite. - What is it? - Acolyte, right, there's no L. - Oh, that's right. I've been written down with an L, do you? So it's not just me. - No, it's not just you. - I'm familiar with the word. It's not a super common word, but I guess in my head canon, and I suppose I don't spell it very much, I've always thought it was alkalite. - Me too. - And when I typed it somewhere in a text or whatever, it was like misspelled and brought up alkalite. And I was like, what? - You're not alone, I did it too. I, at the very top of my page, it said the alkalite. - Oh, this makes me so happy because I was, I was like, where did I get this? So maybe with the pronunciation, it just sometimes sounds like there's an L. I mean, it doesn't, with alcohol and, you know, acalite, alkalite, just sort of is a, I don't know, is a smoother transition from the A to the C or something? I don't know, there could be some sort of, what is that, phenological, you know, the whole structure of the mouth and speech that maybe makes it a little bit easier. But anyway, so that wrong has been righted in Rebecca's brain. It is acolyte. Which still does sound quite right. - No, I probably will say alkalite, yeah. But I will try to say it properly. - So we learned we're a hundred years before the rise of the empire. We're in this time of peace and, you know, I guess maybe there's been some Star Wars stuff that has been earlier, but it's more fringy. This is kind of like what sort of the biggest thing that's this early in the canon. - Well, I guess they have a new thing called the Dawn of the Jedi. That's, okay, so do you know what BBY stands for? No. Okay, so BBY means before the Battle of Yavin, which is when they blew up the first Death Star. - Okay. - Okay, so like that's zero. And so if it's BBY, it's, you know, it's like our BC. - Okay, I'm sorry, now let me make sure I understand zero. - Okay. - Was the big Death Star that Luke destroyed the first Death Star or was that somehow a subsequent Death Star? - No, the first Death Star that Luke destroyed. - Okay, so that's zero. - Okay, so we definitely have plenty of canon BBY. - We do have plenty of canon BBY, and of course we have canon ABY. - Definitely. - So the Dawn of the Jedi, and I guess they have stuff in development that's gonna be set in the Dawn of the Jedi, but that's 25,000 BBY is when that period starts. - Ooh, ciao! - Yeah, and then you have the Old Republic, which I'm not sure, because again, I'm not steeped in Star Wars, like, we need Jaffa dancing! - I know, I know. - And the people are gonna be like, who are Jaffa dancing? You'll find out. - You sure will, and you're gonna love them. - But then there's the Old Republic, which starts at 4000 BBY. - Okay. - And we're set with this in the High Republic. - Okay. - And so that's like 500 to 100 BBY. And there are comics. I think there are books that might be set in the High Republic. - Okay. - This is the first kind of television or visual media, I think, that is set in this type of BBY, because, or this far back in BBY, because, you know, like episode one and two. - Yes. - And all of that is also BBY. - Yes, absolutely, but further along. - Yeah, much closer to zero. - After the rise of the Empire, right? - Well, the rise of the Empire is in, yeah, it's in, I have a written down, Tory, Tory, Tory. It's around 19 BBY. - Right, right. So now the Empire does not last very long. Is that what we're led to believe? - It doesn't really last very long. So if it starts at 19 BBY, then let's see, for ABY? - Okay. - So let's say approximately 20 years, a little more than that. But okay, okay, okay. Then hold on a second. - Okay. - Yoda should be at play, right? Because-- - Well, yeah. - This is only 100 years, yes. - Yes. - But Vos said he was told Yoda's not gonna be in this series. - Devastating. - Spoiler. - Devastating. - It is. - Why not? Why the heck not? - So I guess the only green Jedi we're gonna get is Vernestra or whatever her name is? - Yeah, she's no Yoda. - She's no Yoda. (laughs) She is no Yoda. - We're getting great Wookiee stuff. But I would like, I would, you know, I would like just a little nod that Yoda's on a leap of absence, you know? He's taking a little sabbatical. We don't even need to see him. Just acknowledge his existence. - Yeah. Well, maybe they will. You never know. - Yeah, that'd be great. - That'd be great, that'd be enough for me. - And evidently the guy that's playing the Wookiee, in this episode played Chewbacca and some of the newer stuff. - Oh, interesting. - Yeah. - So he's a Wookiee. - Yeah. Yeah, he, very end of episode two, which was my most exciting revelation was Jedi Wookiees. (laughs) - Oh, that's right. 'Cause you haven't seen any of the animated stuff. - No. - So Jedi Wookiees are rare, but not unknown. - Wow, wow. Okay. So Trinity's intro was huge for me. - Yeah. - Very excited. - I wouldn't believe she died so quickly. I was like, what the? I was just like, wow, that's really fast. - Yeah. Do you think she's really dead? - I don't want her to really be dead. - Well, I don't know. I mean, they keep dropping these lines. I mean, like what I don't understand is the evil master, right? A Sith. You know, battle will die. Hard, but Jedi. So maybe if she comes back, it's gonna be in the, like in the Obi-Wan way. After Obi-Wan and Yoda, you know, and they die. They come back as holograms. A hologrammy, forcy thing, yeah. So maybe she'll come back to that. I would say, I think it's more likely we're gonna see her in flashbacks, right? 'Cause we're gonna have to find out what happens on this planet. - Yes. - So she's gotta have to be in those scenes. - Most definitely. I just think she's such an ad. I just wish she weren't the first one to get off. I wish she were the master of role or something because I just think she's a huge ad. - Is she the one person I know? I recognize as an actor. - Yeah. - So I think I probably would have gotten invested with her, but hello, five minutes in, she's dead. - Yeah, and I guess I am invested. And I'm just clinging on hope that she's, and of course, just like you say, even if it's only going back in the timeline, we are gonna see more of her. - Yeah, yeah. - So. - And who knows maybe as they flesh out the history, maybe she'll show back up in something, you know, like earlier in the high republic times. - Just perfect casting. Again, I just, I love her for this. And I'm just so glad that hers was so much more interesting than Torbin, who was essentially-- - What would be, was Torbin a character in The Walking Dead? Like after they get to Alexandria? - Oh God. You are not gonna, I, if I could name five characters from Walking Dead, it would be impressive. And I know one of them is Negan. (laughing) - And Carl. - Carl. - Carl. - Carl. (laughing) - Maggie. Okay, we don't need to do this, but I don't have that many. - Did you ever see that llama cartoon? It's llamas who wear hats, I think it's called? - That sounds, one of the llamas is named Carl and he's like a homicidal maniac. And the other glamas always like, "Carl." (laughing) - So interesting. - We are the tangent queen. - Yes. - Okay, back to it. You know, I did look up, because I wanted to see if, it seemed like there was a lot of new stuff that I'd never heard before. And I thought, well, maybe some of it's from the books and stuff. So I was looking at like some planet names. It sounds like many of the planets are new for this particular series, but I looked up yudaya. - You're happy to say that. - I think I might be pronouncing this incorrectly. No, it is yudaya, yudaya, yudaya, not yudaya. That's somebody on YouTube by watch, that's the name of their horse. Yudaya, yudaya. That's actually placed in Japan. So it was kind of cool then, you know, 'cause it was very Japanese like kind of buildings at that place. And, you know, of course, we have to have a bar scene, but it's a noodle bar. Yes, yes, awesome. Okay, okay, I'm feeling it. - So Japanese influence in that whole planet and stuff, yeah. - Now, of course, one planet that is very familiar. Horse up. - Yeah, did it look like smaller though? Like, it wasn't quite as jam-packed with buildings yet. Like tall, tall, tall, tall buildings. - Could well be, could well be. I didn't note that 'cause it was like, oh yeah, the big city Coruscant, you know. Yeah, I have Coruscant, comma, the big city. - Yeah, it seems like there are a lot of new creatures. - Yes. - So I wanna spend more time and again since just watched it yesterday. I haven't had time to look to see what a lot of stuff is, but there are some, some of the Star Wars Wikis, but people already got shit on there. I was like, damn people, what the hell? So I'm gonna look that up 'cause I liked the bartender. I thought he was a cool creature. - Yeah. - And of course, we got a nude little droid, a Pip Droid. - Yes. - And, you know, sometimes it would be kind of interesting if they would come up with cool names for some of the droids instead of just like R2D2. - C3PO, Pip Droid, and you call him Pip. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, and BB-8. So anyway, that's neither here nor there. It was just thought that popped into my head. But I like some of the new creatures so far, but I'm curious to see how many. I mean, the only one I really recognize were the trade federation people. - Oh yes, they were an instant. They were an instant. - Yeah. Those are the Nemoidians, I think. - Okay, I wouldn't have been able to come up with that. - Well, I saw it on my closed captions. - Okay, okay. - I would not have known it otherwise. - It was cool to see the young ones. Though every time I see young ones, I'm like, I think of what is the directive where they all got killed. - Order 66. - Order 66, every time. I know that these are not the same young ones, except perhaps a Yoda type character because they would still be a child. But we only know of two of those and one of them is too old and one of them is too young. - Well, I know of a third one, but you don't. - Oh, okay. - But also an adult. - Okay. - Who dies? So, spoil goodness. - Okay. - Well, Yoda dies too, but you already knew that. - Yes, but Yoda dies peacefully of old age. - Yeah, yeah, hiding out. He's in, well, that's another famous planet. - Yes. - The real foggy one. - Mm-hmm. - Starts with the D. - People are like-- - Dagobah! - The Dagobah! - Well, it's in the Dagobah quadrant. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Dagobah. People are listening to this probably going, why are these two fools even trying to talk about Star Wars? They have no flocking idea what it's talking about, but I feel like we represent a large amount of people. (laughing) - Yeah. - We like it a lot, we know little bits. - Well, and it's, we're an important demographic, right? Because they've got to suck us in. Because there's been plenty of the new Star Wars content that has not sucked me in. - Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. - Yeah. - And I was in the damn theater when the very first movie came out. - Oh my gosh. So they still got to satisfy me because I've been a Star Wars fan since day one. I'm just not, I'm slowly becoming the Star Wars geek. It's just going to take a long time. There's a hell of a lot of shit. - There's a lot of universe. And just frankly, in this day and age, there is so much fantasy in sci-fi. There's so many fantasy in sci-fi universes that I have in my fingers and it can get a little confusing. - Yes, yeah, it sure can. - Especially when they keep referencing each other. - Yes. - You know, in subtle ways. - I mean, yes. - 'Cause you made a Game of Thrones reference, which I thought was funny because I was calling one of the Jedi in episode two, the Sam Tarly Jedi. - Oh! (laughs) - Is it-- - It looks like a card? - No, no, no, no, no. It's the, you know, when they're on the balcony outside of the Apothecary? - Yes. - It's the bigger guy with the dark hair. He doesn't look anything like Sam Tarly, but for some reason when I first saw him dragging that little girl out of the temple. - Yes. - And then I saw him later and I'm like, that's, for some reason, Sam Tarly popped into my head. - Okay, okay, yeah. He's one that I didn't clock his, because some of these names were coming fast and furious. And I was like, which one of these people are important? Who do I need to know here? - Well, I don't even think he has a name. I think they called him Padawan or something. - Yeah. - And I'm like, well, I'm just gonna keep calling him Sam Tarly. - There you go. - All right, we are like way-- - Okay, okay, let's get back in here. - Yeah, let's get back. - Where do you wanna go next? - Well, why don't we just go to the ship when we actually see like who we find out is OSHA, wake up. - Yes. - The federal safety inspector. - Yes. - It just bugged me out, just like the fuck. - Yeah, bad name, bad name. So, yeah, and she's on that trade veneration ship and she's a mechanic. - Mechanic, isn't it just two syllables, mechanic? - Yeah, but I like saying mechanic. - Okay, okay. - But yes, it's mechanic. - Okay, okay. I think, well, one of the things I did kind of appreciate in these two episodes is that we're finding out pretty early on that people, even at this time, don't necessarily trust the Jedi. - Yes. - So there's trouble in paradise. - Trouble in brewing. - Yep. - So I kind of did that. It'll be interesting to really find out more of like, why she left the Jedi. And at first I thought she left when she was a Padawan, but then later it seems like she left when she was a full-on Jedi. - Oh, I had not locked that. I thought she was still a Padawan. You think she was already a knight? - Well, in episode two, soul refers to her as a Jedi and not a Padawan. - Oh, okay. - Because I think there are very few Jedi who have left. Wow, okay, okay, well, and perhaps she is one of them. I guess I thought she was still training, but. - Well, that's what I thought too from the first episode that she was still in training, but then in the second episode, he was just referring to her as a Jedi. She knows how to do that, she's a Jedi. - It was like, what, 16 years ago or something? - Well, 16 years ago, that was the fire. - That was the fire. - Was it eight years ago? - Six. - That she left. - Okay, six, okay, okay, I'll give myself. - I'm pretty sure that's right. I haven't written down somewhere. - Is this, because it seemed like her in yard might have been kind of cured, had kind of been contemporaries, and it seems like he hasn't been a knight for that long. - Right. - I don't know, wow. - Well, yeah, I kind of got the impression that maybe she was a little bit of head of him in the training. - Okay, okay, perhaps, I mean, - But then she even started late, but she could have been really gifted, but boy, she sure cannot muster even enough force to pull Pip to her. - Well, I did kind of wonder when, you know, your, what is another great Star Wars name, when your mentions something about her age, you know, when she was brought in and I was wondering if then that's kind of why Anakin, they didn't really want to bring Anakin in, because he was old and maybe it was because of what happens with her. She's still like dealing with her grief and her grief is really kind of pushing or directing a lot of her actions, even with both of them, right? Osha and May. And so maybe I popped into my head, I was like, well, I wonder if, you know, Osha turns to the dark side and this is why they don't like to bring in people when they're older and they are dealing with grief, which is what Anakin did and look what happened there. - Yes, yes. - Well, and we definitely, I mean, if May is on this vendetta and she has a lot more of the pieces of the puzzle than Osha does, I mean, Osha can definitely go to revenge because she couldn't do it when confronted with it, but she was like, let me at her. May burned my world to the ground, even though she's my twin, I want her at least to suffer or whatever be held accountable for her crimes, maybe even I want to kill her. So she definitely has some vengeance still in her heart. - Yeah, for sure. And that shocked me. I'm like, whoa, she thinks her sister earned her world down around her? Wow, that's pretty intense. - Yeah, and this is sus, right? This, I was like, no, we do not know. Something else is going on. What was May's motivation to kill her family, you know, and to burn them and to burn the whole village, which she mentally unstable, you know, just this seems like a flimsy, hover story, if you will. - Yes, yes. And so that's why I kind of see Osha go into the dark side. - And because she'll feel so betrayed by Jedi because they let her believe all this time that her sister was responsible for the death of her family and the burning of her world. Well, it'll be interesting to see where that all goes. - Yes, yes, it will. Okay, so yeah, I thought it was a good introduction to Osha. And I think that actor is doing a good job because I do feel like there's a difference between Osha and May's portrayal. - Yeah, I would agree with that. She's doing a good job. I really don't have any problems with that. Again, I've just not really invested in anybody yet. - Gotcha, gotcha. - So I hope we see more of Yord had a one. No, I mean, I want to see more of his padawan because I loved the makeup on that actor. I thought it was really cool. So Tasi Loa, yeah, I could have done without that. And so is Jackie like into him or? - I don't think so. - She's like, you're a fool. - Yeah, and she's like, is Yord, do you mean our team is going to include Yord? - Yeah, yeah. - I don't think Jackie, I don't think Jackie's into him. - Okay, I would hope not. - She seems smart to him. - He might be into her. - Oh, maybe she's smart. And he's like, oh, you know, somebody, he's obviously, he hasn't been a knight for very long. So now he's all like, everybody, I'm a Jedi Knight. I'm cool. - And but yet kind of needing to prove himself to his superiors and everything. - Right, right, yeah. - Well, prove himself to everybody. - Everyone doesn't matter. 'Cause he seems like he's trying to do that all the time. - But yeah, I could have done without the shirt off scene. I'm like, come on, you don't need that. - I mean, he was like ironing his robe. - I mean, the man is clearly ripped. I mean, we get it, we get it, but yes. - I didn't need it. - Yeah, that whole scene when Sol and Jackie are talking about the team that he's put together. And I'm like, so it seems like everybody has some ideas about your wondering if they all think about him in the same way, right? That he's kind of this pompous fool. Because he comes across like that quite a bit. At least he did to me. - Yes, I agree. I am not enamored with your as of yet. - Well, we already know I'm not enamored with anybody yet. - Yes, yeah, yeah. He's pretty low on my list at this point. - And a part of me was wondering, I wonder if the whole pompous fool persona is just an act. - Hmm. - Could Yord be the master? - Oh my gosh. I just don't think Yord, I don't feel Yord is complex enough, but it could be a wolf in sheep's clothing here. - We'll see you Blemante. - Mm. - Yeah, lots of stuff to find out in the next few episodes. Hey, I did have a question. I'm sorry, I was just looking at my notes and we've been talking about the ship kind of a little bit. Is this the first time you remember seeing a female member of the Trade Federation? - Yes. - That's what I was thinking too. And I was trying to remember like maybe in Clone Wars, but it's not stating out to me. But I think in live action, this is the first time that I remember seeing a female from the Trade Federation. - Hmm, nice. Nice representation, even if I was (laughing) gender equality, we're working on that. - I wanna know what the hell their cargo was that made 'em so nervous when the Jedi showed up. - Yeah, they were very nervous. - Yeah, boy, she gave up OSHA pretty quick, didn't she? - Immediately, but you know, he was about to do the Jedi mind trick. I mean, might as well, right? I mean, the is really fast. He's like, got a trigger finger for his Jedi force use. - Uh-huh. - It's like, I shall Jedi mind fuck you. I'm going to pull my lightsaber. - But there was quite a bit, I mean, yeah, I could see why the Jedi would be mistrusted. I mean, there was sort of a minority report aspect with, you know, when Saul's just like reading May's mind, you don't even know who your master is. You know, it's kind of like, whoa, get out of my head, dude. - Yeah, that's like all kinds of violation there. - Yeah. - Yeah. - So, yeah, I think, I mean, even Obi-Wan did that kind of shit. And I like Obi-Wan. - Yeah. - Wow, yeah. All right, so let's see, we're on the ship. They catch OSHA, OSHA Ana Seiya. - I mean, when you put it with her last name, it sounds kind of cool together, OSHA Ana Seiya. But if it's just OSHA, then I just go, but it'll save the inspector. I'm not going to let it go. I'm just not going to let it go. - Well, they made themselves vulnerable to it. - Sure. - If somebody had to have thought about it, do you really want to use that, OSHA? - It's even spelled the same. - It's spelled the same, come on. - Okay. - The breakout, do we want to talk about the escape? - Before then. - Okay. - Okay. - I want to know how much they had to pay Marvel to get Iron Man to be the prison guard. (both laughing) I'm like, "Holy shit, it's Iron Man." (both laughing) - See what you're talking about with these cross universe, you know, no, nothing new under the sun. (both laughing) - And we can move on. I just didn't want to move on without saying that. But yeah, let's talk about the prison break. - Yeah, and we have droids for chairs or chairs for droids. - Chairs for chair droids, chair droids, chair droids. I did notice that. I'm like, huh, what if you were like a living creature and you sat down in a chair droid? - It makes me uncomfortable. - Sure. - Sure. - Just think about it, I'm like, okay. And that parasite thing that they're using. - Oh, that was. - That was, and this was a Jedi technique. I don't know, this seemed. - The Jedi are sus here. Like no wonder people are starting to be wearing them. - Exactly. - Exactly. - And it makes you kind of understand that this is the shit the Jedi's doing. - No wonder the damn empire grew up. You know, people were like against the Jedi. - So yes, quite an effective prison break, I would say. They get caught, obviously, but the breakout went well. - Yeah, and why didn't they disable tech man's abilities, like unplug him or something? - Yes. - Because if he could just remotely disable the chardroids. - Yeah, real oversight here. - Yeah, hello, yeah. But you sure get, I mean, you're quickly, I didn't jump right to the evil twin thing that you did. I was like, can people impersonate other people in this universe, you know? Because Mosha seems really, really innocent and compounded with her like, no, I want my day in front of the Jedi. I did not do this. I want to explain my case, though I understand, though the right thing will be done here. And I was like, wow. And with how well she was kind of playing this alternative personality, I was like, boy, this just doesn't seem like the same person. - Yes, yeah. And that's why I was like, oh, split personality thing? - Yeah. - Or the evil twins, so. - Yeah, yeah. And I mean, my God, with the Star Wars universe, I should have gone to twins. (laughs) The foundation has been laid. And the foundation has kind of been laid that when their Jedi twins separate them. - Yeah. - I know it's in the future, but maybe this is a common occurrence that goes way back. - Yeah, maybe. - I mean, I know it was to keep him separate, to keep him safe in, you know, Luke and Leia's situation. But, you know, maybe there's kind of an aspect of that. I don't know. - And maybe if a Luke and Leia had known that their dad killed their mom, they would have both gone dark side. - Right. - We'll see what happens here. - Mm-hmm. - It, you know what? If you're going to a mission on Karlach, which I call the winter plan. - I think it's fucking puffy coat. - Amen to that. I was like, none of these, okay. So, OSHA, totally defensible. She crashed on this planet. - Right. - That fourth thought. Three, knew right where they were headed. And, come on. - Yeah. - Burr. (laughs) - That's not the exact same thing. - I'm like, there was your winter clothing. - It was a little funny that in one moment, when Saul Sol tells them that she had a twin, but the twin is absolutely dead. And he's just completely convinced. But then as soon as, as OSHA says, it's me, she's alive. He's like, I believe you. - Yeah. - You know, okay. So, I feel like at least one of these four, who are on the hit list, has to know that May was alive, right? But I'm not convinced Saul did. - Saul did. - I think they all did. That's my prediction. - Okay. - Because the way Saul was acting sometimes, I'm like, man, he's kind of sus. He's suspicious. I don't know if I trust him. One of them being the way he flipped on a dime there. Oh no, 100%, I'm sure she's dead. - I believe. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But hats off to that actor, Boss was saying that that guy, I don't know the actor's name, I didn't get a chance to look it up. - He learned English specifically for this role. - Oh my God. - Yeah, hats off, dude. You're doing fantastic. - That is, I can hardly even believe that. - Yeah. Wow. - I just thought I'd throw that in 'cause when Boss said that, it was kind of, he just woken up and I'm like, did I hear that right? Did I rewind that? - Wow. Yeah, though, that is totally hats off. Well, you know, interesting. And we know he feels somewhat guilty is like I've made peace with that. I know you have, I've told you it's not your fault, all this kind of stuff. But seriously, Torben was like hand over the poison. I can't handle this grief any longer. - Yeah. - Literally his ears have made him hate the guilt. - Yes, the grief. I'm switching these words around. Thank you. That's what I meant. - Okay. - The guilt, absolutely. The guilt is eating him away inside even though he's been in this trance state, you know. So yeah, and people handle situations differently, but. - Well, and I think that's why Carrie Anne didn't kill her, right? Because she recognized who she was. And she also had the guilt. - Now, when you say she recognizes who she was, do you think she thought she was OSHA or do you think she knew she was May? - I think she knew she was May. - I think so too. - Because it's Carrie Anne, it's Trinity. - Yeah, it's Trinity. She knows she knows it all. And I think that Torbin knew it was May. - Yes, absolutely Torbin did. - Uh-huh. But I think that Saul, right. Okay, so I think I think Trinity, Indira knew it was May, Torbin knew it was May, but yet Saul maybe still believes May's dead? I don't know. I feel like I think Saul is gonna have a slightly different goal than the other two. I wanna believe Saul did not. He's got stuff he feels guilty about, but I don't think he knew the full scope of whatever the Jedi had done on that planet. That is my, and who knows about Jedi Wookiee? We don't have any information on Seneca or whatever his name is. - Calnaca. - Calnaca, Calmaca, yeah. - No, it starts with a K. - Cal, oh yeah, it does. Calmaca. - Calnaca. - I have K-E-L-N-A-C-C-A. - Oh yeah, that is a L, Calnaca. Calnaca of Kofar. - Yeah. - Because I am predicting that our federal safety inspector is gonna go dark side. - Yes. - I think the only thing that we're really push her to that is if Saul knew all about it. - Knew everything, and it's all-- - Because he was her master trader. She was his padawan, so for me, I think that's the way it's gonna go. I think he knows. - Okay, well that-- - We will find out. - That will be painful and you're probably right, but we shall see. - Yeah, we shall see. Yeah. - I, okay, I guess, oh, okay, this happens in episode two. I'll wait. (laughing) Did you think-- - I'll bring that up when it's appropriate. - Did you think that the actor that's playing Vernestra Row looks a little bit like Tony Collette? - Oh, interesting. - 'Cause I was like, man, she looks really familiar to me, but then when I was looking at the cast list at the end, I was like, "Oh, I don't know who that is." - No, but she did remind me of somebody, and it's not Sarah Jessica Parker, but is there like a Mary Louise something or other? I get confused with these. - There is a Mary Louise Parker. - Okay, but I don't think it's her. I think it's somebody that looks like her. Anyway, I'm gonna have to look it up, but she reminded me of somebody, but it wasn't Tony Collette. But it was not the person. No, no, there are these three women that I confuse their names and two of them look alike, and I never, the one that I'm trying to think of, I never remember her name. - What was she in? Do you remember? - Oh gosh, give me a little time. I'll try to come up with it. - Okay, just shout it out when you remember. - Okay, we'll do. I really like her as an actor, and so it's too bad I can't think of it, but there you go. - Yeah, I don't know, you know, she looks younger than Saul, but evidently she's older. - Yes, by significantly it seems, because she was around when he was a little, he was a youngling, a little shy youngling. I have to admit that I was kind of surprised that even this far back, the Jedi are really worried about PR. Holy cow, when Vanessa says we need swift justice on this, I was like, oh my gosh, are they gonna kill this girl? And she was innocent all along. I was like, holy cow, man, what about innocent, tall, proven guilty here? - Yeah, and they gotta do it all quietly because they don't want the public to get the wrong impression. - And you know, frankly, they've got good reason to be concerned, but anyway. - Well, and I don't even know if they talk about it explicitly, but for some reason, I automatically kind of went to like, episodes one and two, and three, do they even talk about that at all? But I don't know, it just made me think, like the Jedi council is like, holy crap, you people talk everything to death. Yeah, I'm like, wow, the Jedi didn't seem to learn from their mistakes, 'cause here we are, 100 years before the empire, we've still got the PR thing going, they're still talk everything to death and committee. But anyway, I'm a little ahead of myself. - All valid though. - Do you remember? - Yeah, I'm really jumping back, because we were doing some stuff out of order. We had already moved up to the prison break, and then we moved back, and anyway, sorry people if we're giving you a headache, moving back and forth, moving back and forth. - They're smart, they'll come along with us. - The prisoners. - Yes. - Okay, so there's the prisoner with the parasite on his mouth. - Ah, yes. - But there's the other kind of humanistic looking one that's giving her all this information. And then there's the big dude standing behind that second guy just described. - Yeah, that has sort of like all of his features run together, like he has no neck. - Yeah, did he remind you? - You gotta go to episode two. - Okay. - Right, and Obi Wan is trying to find out who hired the assassin to try to kill Padme. - Okay. - Right, and he's in that diner. - Oh my gosh. - And that big creature comes out, I can't remember the creature's name. I wanna say it was Sid, but I could be totally wrong. But that guy in the jail reminded me of that Sid character in episode two. - Wow. - Okay, I'd probably have to see a picture. - Yeah, and this guy looks smaller. - Okay. - Than the guy in episode two, but there was something about it that made me think of him. Like maybe they're closely related species genetically speaking. - Okay, okay, well, interesting. - But yeah, I mean-- - Let us know, let us go in the comments. - I have sure it's wrong because, all right, as I mentioned earlier, I really don't know what the hell I'm talking about, but I do like the jail break scene, because I think we are really starting to get that picture. It's one of the first clear indications that something's wrong in Jedi land, right? Because that one guy's like, you'd rather leave your fate to the Jedi. - Uh-huh, uh-huh. - And I was just like, what are the Jedi up to? That's causing all this distrust. - Okay, I thought of Vanessa's name, who I thought she looked like. - Okay. - Elizabeth Perkins. - Oh! - Something in her lips. - Yeah, I can see that. - And Elizabeth Perkins with no hair. I mean, you know, it's a bit of a jump. - I can see that, I can see that. - Yeah, for some reason, Elizabeth Perkins, Sarah Jessica Parker, and who's the other one? You, somebody else, Parker, anyway. - Mary. - Mary. - Something Parker. - Mary Elizabeth Parker. Anyway, the three of them, it's not that they look anything alike, but their names just sort of screw me up. (laughing) Parker Perkins, you know, I don't, anyway. - That's funny, that's funny. - But that's the one that I think looks like Vanessa. But it's not her, so. - I can see that. - It's all not, it's all from us. - I can see that. - Okay. - Hey, do you remember who it is? That says, you know, if we don't remember the past, we're doomed to repeat it. - Aw. - I meant to look that up and I ran out of time. - No, but you know what? We have this amazing device here. Because we get a little of that, right? With soul. - Yeah. - If we don't. - Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it. - Yeah. - Attributed to, oops, Winston Churchill. (laughing) George Santiana. - Interesting, yeah. Often attributed to philosopher George Santiana, who is actually a misquotation of his comment, those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. - Ah. - However, the misquotation may be part of our proposal. In this case, interesting. - You know what, it's funny. I always thought it was our doomed to repeat it. - Yeah, I did too. - Anyway. - I thought it was a nice little shout out to that very well-known modern quote. - Yes, it's the quote itself isn't necessarily modern, but you know what I mean. - And the Padawan does have a point, right? It's sort of like, are you reminiscing and letting your emotions get involved here? And he may well be, right? - Mm-hmm. - But he deflects. - Yeah, yeah. I'm like, that's very, and it can like, mm-hmm. - Okay. - I was kind of happy they didn't drop it all 'cause I would have watched it all, but I also kind of wanted them to drop it all so I could watch it all. - Yeah, no, I'm ready for the next episode. I was very happy at the end of episode one that we went right to episode two, but I really felt left hanging because we got no more of the master, right? I really liked that ending of episode one where we see the red lightsaber, right? And May doesn't know who it is. And so therefore we also do not know who it is and also soul doesn't know who it is. So could it be somebody soul knows, right? - Right. - You know, so is it somebody else? - Is it, is it that I? - Yeah, and it's kind of unclear, is this master Sith person, which we haven't heard that word yet, Seth. - Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. - Is that a person who did have some formal training or not, right? - Mm-hmm, yeah, the very intro. We didn't talk about the scrolling words that did not scroll, but at the very beginning, it's, we are clearly told that it's a group of people playing with the force and one of them comes out of the hiding, you know, to seek her revenge or seek their revenge. And so, yeah, we have to believe it's kind of like a whole community of them. - Do you think we've met the master? - Well, you mean already in this show or from some other lore? - No, in these two, I mean, not his silhouette. - Right. - And at the end of episode one, but in either episode one or episode two, do you think it's possible? - Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too. - I really think it's possible. I think it could definitely be a Jedi person. We've seen so far, now they're dropping like flies, so. (laughs) - They might be able to narrow it down pretty soon. - Right, right. - I kind of wanted this fun, so. - Young Snape might be the master. - Oh, wow, the potions master. - I was like, young Snape, nicely done. It took me a while, but oh, wouldn't that be interesting? A bit of the usual suspects sort of throw around the stiffle. - I never say, yeah. - Really an interesting thought. I had not gone there, but that would, and so this is a way for him to keep an eye on her as this other, yeah, yeah, very, very interesting. I'm more inclined to believe it's one of the Jedi, one of the established Jedi that we know, somebody who's both in the system and working outside of it at the same time, but I don't know. - They better freakin' reveal who it is by the end of this series of big guests. - I sure, I sure hope so too, I sure hope so too. - But anyway, so I loved that ending of episode one. - I did too, so I was kind of happy that we had episode two right away, even though we didn't get to hear any, we didn't get to find out who the master was. If he wasn't it, we don't know, but. - Yes, and what we also know is in the Star Wars universe, voice tells us nothing, because we kind of have this metallic voice going, but look at Darth Vader, right? So voice modulation can definitely happen, and surely if someone is trying to hide their identity. So I don't think we know it's a man. - Yeah, could be enough. - You can know it sounded like a male voice. - So what if it's in a era? - Oh, right, right. If the master sort of vanishes suddenly. (laughing) - Yeah, yeah, we don't know what the Jedi did with her body. We don't got anything about that, so. - Exactly, yes, yes. So yeah, I'm not ruling it out, I'm not ruling it out. - Well, yeah, well, I really just kind of spitballing here now. - Yeah, it could be, I'm gonna list every character that we've seen so far, maybe that's the best. - Yeah, well, you know, we're keeping our options open. We're early on in this journey. - Yeah, we might not have seen them yet, so. - Yeah, maybe not. Okay, shall we move to episode two? Or is there something else you wanna say about episode one? - No, I'm fine. I liked episode two. - Oh, yeah. - I did too. - Some good fight scenes. I don't have any complaints about the fight scenes. - Mm-hmm. - I thought they were really well choreographed, and like you, I really liked the different kind of style to it, which kind of makes sense. You kind of think that their style would evolve over time. Oh, I just saw this in my notes. You will appreciate this. Evidently, the production crew had a name for the fighting style. - What? - Force foo. - Oh, that's awesome. I do like it. I do like it, force foo. Nice. ♪ Everybody's kung fu fighting ♪ ♪ Everybody's for spoof fighting ♪ Nice. ♪ Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da ♪ - Yeah. - I think that's the thing. (laughing) Nothing appropriating about that. ♪ No, nothing at all, nothing at all ♪ - Now, I've gotta tell you. - Yep. - I gotta tell you, if you know that a suspect is in a certain place at a certain time, and then another crime occurs at a completely different location at the same time, and somebody says to you, "Well, the suspect couldn't have done it. "He wasn't there." - Yeah. - Would your answer be, "I'm inclined to believe you?" (laughing) Or would it be you're absolutely right? I mean, the nester says, "I'm inclined to believe you." It's another kind occurred at the exact same time. - Yeah. - And she was clearly, I was like, "You know a little more than that." (laughing) - Yeah. Yeah, that was kind of weird. But maybe it just means that she doesn't trust soul for some reason. - Okay, well, there's a layer. - Maybe. - Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. But, yord. - Oh, yord, yord. - Yeah, chill out. - Okay, so yord totally reminds me of a character from the fourth wing. Ed, you have not read this yet? - Haven't you? - So, I can't say it yet. - Okay, well, I'll see if I can figure it out. - Okay, very good. - Did you-- - Okay. - Does yord seem like unusually argumentative to you, or Jedi? - I feel like it still goes back to this, throwing his weight around to try to prove himself. That's, I feel that that explains a lot of his actions. A lot of bravado. - Okay. It's just 'cause he's a newbie Jedi knight. - Mm-hmm. - Okay. - That is maybe insecure. - Yeah, that makes kind of sense, yeah. - That makes sense. - Where's Jackie? I like Jackie. I think she is more, she's got honest questions, and I think she thinks a little more deeply, and she's got the great idea for how to do the sting operation, right? I think Jackie, I like her. I like her, and I think that she is not full of bravado, that she's actually just kind of a good Jedi. - Yeah, yeah, I think she, I hope she doesn't get killed, 'cause I think she will be a good Jedi. - Mm-hmm. Okay, this whole tourbin thing. - Yeah. - Really weird. He's like, just hold up in this temple, meditating constantly? - For years. - For years? - For years, what? 10 years, eight years, so many years? - I mean, I think ever since this fire. - 10 years, I have it written down. He takes the barrage vow, took it 10 years ago. - Hold on a second. Oh yeah, 'cause the fire, okay, I'm sorry. The fire happened 16 years ago, right? Okay, so there's been a little time since, but a good chunk of that time, he's been in this meditation. And what happened to his eye? - I wondered if that happened during-- - Yeah. - The incident, I'm just gonna refer to it as the incident. - Yes, I feel like the incident on Rendock was why he had, I mean, his eye isn't gone, but it kind of looks clouded and has some rather. - Yeah. - So, which we did not know until he opened his eyes, right? 'Cause his eyes were closed because of all the meditating and being in his little force cocoon thing. - Or maybe he did a whole Victor Creole, Stranger Things thing, and tried to use a razor on his eyeball. - Oh, oh, whoa. He's clearly racked with guilt. This guy just decided to withdraw from the world. It was almost like the poison was an escape, like awesome. I tried to escape through meditating, but all I can do is dwell on this event. So now you've given a way for me to escape for good. - And if he was so upset about it, why the hell did he put a force field around himself? - Oh, that's a good question. That's a very good question. Maybe he thought he'd be suspicious if he didn't. I don't know. - I don't know either. But it was a pretty effective force field. - That was great. I was like, my girl, you can't get through it, just stop. - Which, love the high kicks. I like the stunt of May/Och, well, it's really May. - Yeah, yeah. Very cool. - Yeah, she did really well. - And it does sort of remind me of, it was a Darth Maul who was just like a whirling dervish, right? - Oh, yes, yes. - She's so fast. It's sort of like the antithesis of the Jedi, right? But it's so cool. It looks very skillful. - Mm-hmm. - Anyway, I like it. - Boss had something interesting to say. You really gotta go watch his video. - Okay, I will. I listened to another podcast from Children of the Watch, but it was so long, I couldn't even get through their episode on episode one. And they still have an episode two ahead. So anyway, it just wasn't enough time. So this probably isn't gonna make a lot of sense to you 'cause again, you haven't seen Clone Wars yet, but there's a character in Clone Wars called Visage Ventress, and she is Count Dooku's Padawan. - Okay. - So evidently this woman, the showrunner, had proposed doing a Ventress live action, and Star Wars said no, or the Lucas people said no. And so they developed this. And so they think that May is kind of representative of this Visage Ventress who kicked a serious ass. And that the master might be kind of like a Dooku-ish character, and Dooku was a Jedi. - Uh-huh, uh-huh. - Over to the dark side. - Ooh. - I like it. - But that would be satisfying to me. - Yeah, I'm like, ooh, that would be really cool if that's kind of the way. And we were just talking about, right, that we think the master is a Jedi. - Yeah. - So that would be cool, but when you were just saying that stuff for some reason, it reminded me of that. - There was a line in this episode that really made me think of Han Solo. - Oh, yeah. - Yep. - Yord. I got a bad feeling about this. (laughing) - I liked it. - Yeah. - Any, you know what, anything Han Solo related, where, okay, sorry, let me, let me, let me preface that. Anything Han Solo related where Han Solo is portrayed by Harrison Ford. (laughing) - Okay. - Nothing else does, nothing else suffices. - Yeah. - Harrison Ford is Han Solo, I don't know. - Absolutely. - D-H-M to 16, if you're gonna do it because he is the only one. There can be only one and it is Harrison. - I agree 100%. 100%. - Okay. So, okay, so we've got these four Jedi on Brandok. So, Deera, Tormin, Saw, Soul, and Omaka. Okay. So, May's master is pulling the strings here, right? Because even it does seem like May definitely wants revenge, but it seems like it is under the guidance of this master. And something about, you have to kill one of them without using a weapon. - Well, he's saying, I think you have to kill, he's saying they should all be killed without a weapon. - Okay. Okay. - So, she's weaponizing her. - She's supposed to be the weapon, yeah. - Okay. So, you think she's going rogue. This is not him saying you gotta kill these four. He wants all the Jedi dead. - I think he probably wants all the Jedi dead and he is using her need for vengeance. - Yeah. - And making her his tool. - Okay. Okay. And I think if it would have been OSHA that he could have done that too, he would have done it OSHA. I don't think it really matters. - Okay. - Who it is, he just needs somebody that he can use. - Okay. - Or he or she, the master, they. So, yeah, I don't think it really matters. I think, I hope we find out how the master and may got hooked up together. - Yes. Yes. And that would be some support for like the Endira hypothesis. Because, okay, I'm letting everybody think she's dead, but I'm spiriting her away for my own purposes. - Yeah. Yeah. And Sol got one of them. Maybe Endira got the other. - Interesting. - Yeah. - Where should we go next? Where do you want to jump in here with? - We kind of like talk about everything. - Okay. Very good. Then I'm going to go kind of on the late side. - Okay. - So, interesting in this battle, she gets, she's a little outmatched because like with Endira and Torben, she was one on one. - Yeah. - But here, not only does she have just as high a caliber with Sol, but she's also got these other ones, which are kind of undisclosed, how many of them, they just keep showing up, right? I loved her little dirt devil trick here. It just seemed so, I don't know, straightforward. It's sort of MacGyver. Let's use what we've got at hand. - Yeah. - And she just vanished. I kind of liked that it's a great trick. - It's a classic magician's misdirect. Instead of smoke, she used the dust. - Yeah. - And they were all left not knowing where she went. So, good on you, May. - It would have been kind of funny if somebody would have made that kind of quip, right? Like, wow, that was good. - Mm-hmm. - What's up? - She's better than we think she is. - Mm-hmm. - Yeah, yeah. - And, so we have the sisters see one another. - Yes? - And, clearly, OSHA is torn, right? Because it seems like they were very close sisters, but now OSHA's memory of May is totally tainted because she thinks May, Gil, the planet, or whatever, or the whole village. So, but there's still that connection, right? She can't just shoot her dead. - Right. - And May seems, May kind of seems happy to see OSHA. - Right. But that is like, okay, you're not very happy with me right now, and I'm on the run. - She's better means business. - Yes, yes, yes. But, clearly, these two are going to connect again and swap stories, right? Figure out that one or both of them have been lied to. - Uh-huh, yeah. Well, they do a flippity flop. And OSHA becomes the evil one, and May becomes the good or dead one. Oh, boy. Oh, yeah, drop those episodes, Disney. - Yes, yes. And again, also left with, I loved the last scene again because we see Gilneka and-- - I want the Wookie to live. - Oh, yeah. Yeah. And cool hairdo. You know, Chewbacca never did anything with his locks, but this guy's like, okay, I got a lot of hair here. I gotta keep this out of my eyes. I'm pulling it. - Where's a scrunchie? - Yeah. - Give me a scrunchie. - Yeah, yeah. And didn't it say in Hutties that the scavengers or whatever were speaking in Hutties? So I like the illusions to the huts, right? Well, I think we had at least two of them. - Yeah, and Vos did say, and one of the part I didn't sleep through, that Jabba would be alive during this timeframe. - Okay, this would be another cool thing to see. - Yeah. - I wouldn't mind a Jabba ID. - Yeah, that would be really funny. - Yeah. And evidently, remember when Osha is talking to her fellow Mechnik, and he mentions the planet Narr, Narr, where's it at? Narr Shaddah. That's where they got the tats. - Okay. - And that is actually a smuggler's moon used by the huts. - Oh, perfect. Wow. - Good. - Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I want the bookie to live. - Yes. - Good intro, good intro. And yeah, so I'm jazz for more. Yeah, I wanted the next episode right away. It sounded like you wanted to see, you were interested enough, you wanted to see the next episode. You're just not entirely sure you care about anybody yet. - Yes. - That's fair. - Wasn't there like, isn't that how you kind of felt about Ahsoka? - I haven't even watched Ahsoka. - Was there one of the shows that we were talking about, and maybe that was it, that you just said you didn't even really care, but I thought it was one we watched, and you were like, I didn't really care about. - Could it have been Hawkeye? - Yeah, I think it might have been Hawkeye. - Yeah. - I'm right now feeling how you feel about Hawkeye. - Oh, wow, well that didn't change. So we'll see. - Yeah, I mean, I hope it does. I would like to get invested in it. I like the premise. I mean, I love learning some history. They just haven't given me anybody to latch on to yet. - And you know, I just can't get over how quickly I was into Echo, right? I know I'm mixing properties here. But that was one that got me invested right away in multiple characters. And so I'm not as invested as that, but I'm more invested than Hawkeye. So on the spectrum between Echo and Hawkeye, Rebecca's spectrum, I'm in between those two. - Well, I'm keeping an open mind. - Okay, okay, well, cool. We shall see and we will be back. - Yes, with the other three. - So yeah. - Whatever its name may be. - Whatever its name may be. Maybe it'll be black slash blue or, you know. - Green slash, green slash black. - Tweedle D slash Tweedle dumb. Who knows? - What it will be. - All right, well, I guess all we have to do now is say bye everyone. - Thanks for listening. 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