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Skipping through, we're going to Eastern New Hampshire here. We're going to New Hampshire, it's Jackson, New Hampshire, is the name of it. It's in far Eastern New Hampshire, near the main border over there. And it's a little bit north in New Hampshire, too. So this is in the White Mountains. This is like skiing country. It's a nice area here. It's about the lakes. It's pretty. This is a very pretty area. This is where people go on vacation. You go here from Boston. You go here for a week in the summer, and it's beautiful. What about Bob? Supposedly where they're supposed, they didn't film it there, but like when a passaki is up there. It's that area, yup. And it's got these covered bridges that people like this one covered bridge. It looks just like the one from Funny Farm. And it's just like that, it's one of those. It's a country as fuck, man. It is, it's about an hour and a half to Portland, Maine. That's the nearest place of any, you know, big place. And then three hours to Boston. So if you want to get there. A lot of times, Boston people live in New Hampshire, but not all the way up here. Not up there. No, it's about two and a half hours to Lempster, New Hampshire, which was episode 443, our last New Hampshire episode, writing your murder script. That, I remember, guy was an idiot. So this is in Carroll County. Population is 998 people here. Wow. Small, mountain town. Those are the permanent residents. And then people come more in the winter and also in the summer. Wealthy, right? Well, no, the median household income here, $70,341. Okay, so it's not about the national average. And the median home price here, $541,500. Very expensive. They have a motto here, bridging the centuries. They're trying to, it's old school shit, it's historic and they got a bridge. So they put that all in one. Like Mount Washington is big there. That's the hiking and camping in the White Mountain National Forest and all of that. Little bit of history quickly. The town was first named New Madbury, which sounds like a mental institution. You're going to get sent to New Madbury if you keep acting like that. Ah, like drooling and throwing shit. There's a madbury in UK, obviously. Everything here is new, but it's, I don't know. It's named after something old. Yeah, and it's new madbury. So yeah, there was a madbury that they named it after. In 1772, a road was built through Pinkham Notch. And that's where our stuff happens is in Pinkham Notch. Pinkham? Pinkham, P-I-N-K-H-A-M, Pinkham Notch. OK. And this area was first settled in 1778. Then by 1800, the community was renamed after President John Adams, who just became president. So they were like, cool, they called it Adams. And that stuck for about 30 years. And then they got lost a little steam for John Adams. We weren't so excited about them anymore. By number two, who cares about that guy? Then by eight, they need to stop naming their town after Flavors of the month, because, like, you know, things are excited about now, because then in 1829, they renamed it Jackson after Andrew Jackson, because he was the hero of the Battle of New Orleans. And then he became president, as we know, and did some very not nice things. And so it's wild here. The governor at the time was a big backer of Andrew Jackson, so he was influential in this. Only one vote was cast against the switch in the whole town. Everybody did it. Then in 2021, the town residents, again, decided that it's now not named after Andrew. And this is stupid, because you named it after Andrew Jackson. Just say, that's what it was. It was a long time ago, what do you want from us? Instead, they say, now it's to honor geologist Charles Thomas Jackson, who no one's ever fucking heard of. Whatever. I don't care either way. I mean, don't need towns after Andrew Jackson, and then don't rename him after geologists. That's my-- In 1983, they said it was after Michael Jackson. Yeah, by the mid '90s, they were like, no, no, no, no, no. It's after LaToya Jackson. Yeah, that's right. That's better. They said it was Janet Jackson, then the Super Bowl thing happened, her tick came out, and they went, god damn it. And one fucking nice person named Jackson exists, please. I don't care. So it's best known for its red-covered bridge, known as the Honeymoon Bridge. And it was built in 1876. And it's still there? Still there, and one of the most photographed things in the state, and you're crazy for driving a modern car over it. Never, never. No, I'd take a picture of it. I'd look at it, I'd walk across it. The cars it was built to hold weighed like 1,300 pounds. Well, fuck, the cars it was built to hold had horses in front of them, first of all. The cars that it was built to hold shit as they walked. Well, those horses still weighed more than the fucking cars that came after. Oh, shit. Yeah, those were like little buggies, those things, like kids' toys, the first car. So reviews of this town, here's five stars, quintessential New England town. That makes sense. Easy to meet new friends, wonderful community, great restaurants, close to hiking, skiing, downhill, and cross-country. Right, look at that. Great views, lots of activities, bike club, pickleball, hiking groups, et cetera, et cetera. Many nonprofit volunteer opportunities, habitat, Kiwanis, observatory, et cetera, medical services, lacking, grocery store limited choices. You're in the middle of the mountains. You have 900 people. That's what you want. Yeah. Overrun with tourists at times, closest airport, a few hour drive. Yeah, because you're going to have to go to Portland to then go to Boston, or just drive to Boston. That's going to be your choice there. Four stars, I love this town. To you. I love it. It's small, outdoorsy, and people take a lot of pride in it. I wish there were more affordable housing options. Yeah, it's nice, that's why it's also nice. The nicer the place is, usually that's expensive, because a lot of people like to live in nice places. That's the problem. The other thing is those communities, when those homes are so-- They're old. They're not allowed to level it unless it catches on fire, man. Exactly. And, yeah, these people have inherited these houses, too, and all that. They didn't all buy it. Shit has history. It's very historic. Things to do here, I don't know how historic this is, the Wild Quack Duck Race and Music Festival. OK. And rubber ducks. They put-- there's this creek with-- it looks like it's shallow, but it looks rapidy, and there's rocks everywhere, and they just release shit loads of rubber ducks, anyway. Which just seems like pollution at that point. I feel like you're not going to find all of those. I guess they try their best to scoop them all out, right? I guess. So they go-- they start a parade at the Covered Bridge, and then they go in and do their whole deal there. They have a-- Get it out. You get this. Enjoy the start of summer with a two-night stay package, a small cheese and quackers plate, quote unquote. What? Everything's duck. Two official duck entries in Sunday's race. Additional ducks are to enter our $6 each or $4 for $20. Breakfast and afternoon refreshments. Of course, they'll be ducky, it says. Duck shit and ducky goodies, it says. And if that's not enough for you, if I haven't convinced you to be here, well, it says, then, family fun-filled day in the park that offers rubber ducky races live music with local favorites Al Schaffner and Dennis and Davy. I mean, Dennis and Davy. I didn't know they were back together. That's the thing. I've seen Dennis and I've seen Davy separately, and they're fine, but together is-- that's-- they're going to be better, obviously, together. Yeah, they're both taking less money to do this gig. That's what's happening. To Voltron themselves together again, get this done. And finally, a special appearance by a New England favorite comedian, Bucky Lewis. What the fuck is that? Would you like to see Bucky Lewis? Oh, Bucky. Oh, Jesus. He's got two chainsaws. He's got one of those fucking hats with the ear flaps. He's got a look on his face like he's like, what am I doing? And he's got a big chainsaw and a guitar in the other hand. And here is him-- Oh, no shirt. No shirt, no pants. He said, for Chrysler takes his shirt off, I'll do you one better. Here's my dick with a guitar over it. Vlog my dick with this fucking bless Paul. Bucky Lewis. I would kill myself if I had to watch Bucky Lewis based on his pictures. I can't afford Bob Marley. Jesus. Entry is free. Thank fuck. Moving on. I would not pay shit for that. Let's see here. Let's talk about a murder. Shall we, everybody, are more than one murder? Let's talk about some murder. This is-- It's a murder. This is going to be 10 pounds of murder and a 2-pound bag here. And I wanted this to, as we go up to 500, I wanted to really-- Let's build it, man. And for an explosion of 500. Do Bucky do this? 500 money shot that Bucky would be proud of. He wants 500, Al. He wants 500 for that. All right, let's go back to time here to 1985. Let's talk about some people at the time. One is Malcolm Bailey Jennings, is his name. He's 54 years old in 1985. And he is married to a woman named Elizabeth. Elizabeth Ellen Anderson Jennings, when they got married. She's 47. So they're 54 and 47. It's 1985. And Malcolm and Elizabeth, they go by Mal and Betty. As Betty is short for Elizabeth very often. They also have a daughter and a son. They have a son named Christopher. He was born in 1961. And then they have a daughter named Paige, who was born in 1964. And Paige is P-A-G-E. Really? No I in there, just like a page and a book. Now, Mal and Betty own and run the Dana Place Inn, which is an inn of charming. It's a place where you'd go. It's like it's charming. It's in Pinkham Notch. It's in the mountains. It's like a bed and breakfast type joint. New England Inn is fucking legit. It's awesome. This is exactly what you'd want to in the middle of nowhere. It's not in like a city area, a bunch of tourists. You're in French press in the morning. Oh, it's going to be awesome. It's going to be nice. There's-- imagine how good the breakfast is. It's probably good. I don't even like presents. It's probably good. It's fantastic. It's going to be great. They've been running this place since 1960. So 25 years they've been running this place. Like the first one. They bought it, and then their son was born the next year. And then they've just been raised. This is the family business, is this inn. So they're always there. And it's year round, because in the summer, there's people there, because it's beautiful for hiking. And then in the winter, there's the skiers and the fall. Like I'm just to look at these. So it's beautiful. Now Paige, a little bit about her. She's tall, real tall girl Paige. Pretty brown hair, that kind of thing. She's athletic, too, a champion javelin thrower, and a high school honor student, as well. So I mean, she is like an athlete, a student. She's doing it all. She ends up going to Simmons College in Boston, but drops out of Simmons College. She drops out pretty early here, too. She drops out in her, I think her second year, sophomore year. She takes off and moves to Alaska. Oh. Which is where you go to run from things. So I don't know what she's running from. Yeah, how much does she hate New England? I think maybe it's one of those things where she being in the family business, all your life, like that. Like, give her no families that are in the restaurant business. Their kids go to the restaurant after school. They do their homework in the corner table that nobody's using. They leave the restaurant at 11 o'clock with mom and dad and go home. It's a weird business. And if it's an inn, they're there all the time. So it's-- My friend, my whole identity, ran that Chinese food restaurant on the corner 30s, I'm going to say. That poor kid came to school. That poor kid came to school stinking of kitchen. Because they're poor kid. You're in the spending your whole day there. I remember it's awful. It's terrible, man. Yeah, you always do that. So she takes off for Alaska, where no one's going to-- no one's going to tell her to live at this place. So her brother, Christopher, wrote an article in the paper, because it's a small place, about her leaving. It's such a small place that she's going to Alaska, it's in the newspaper. Wow. And this isn't 19-- you know, 22. This is 1985 here. You know, fucking-- back to the future was out, for Christ's sake. This is-- But still, she's going from one of the first states to the last one. So the second to last one, yeah, she's going right there. The sister, Betty, by the way, Mom, kept clippings of the newspaper. And Chris said, I know she'll be back and she'll be a better person for going. But that awful, empty feeling crept into my stomach as I watched her leave. My little sister all grown up. And it was all right for me to cry, because I'll miss her. Wow. That's what he wrote. So they're all very close, a very tight-knit family. They're close. And running a business together like that, it's not the kids don't go home and go in their room and the parents sit in the living room and watch TV. They're working together all the time. She meets a man. OK, in Alaska. Not an Alaskan man, but a man. He is 28 years older than her. Older, not older. Not 28 years old. He's 49, in 1985. Because when she left, she was like 18 to go to Alaska. She left even earlier. She left in her freshman year of college. But she goes there. He's 28 years older. He's older than her mom. No, shit. He's two years older than her mom. That's wild. And it's dating? That's, well, his name. Let's get into him here. His name is Glide. Glide. Have you ever heard? Like Astro, G-L-Y-D, like Clyde with a G? Yeah. I've never heard that name before. Like Drexler's nickname. Exactly. Glide the Glide. He's like, I like that. Glide Earl Meek is his name. That's an old name. Wow. Glide Earl Meek, M-E-E-K. Like he will inherit the Earth fucking Meek. So he also has several aliases, one of which being Daniel Daniels. OK. If you can pick a name, you can pick anything. You could be cool Johnny McKickass if you want to be. Anything you want. He picks Daniel Daniels as his alias. It is confusing. That's what it is. It's so stupid you wouldn't think anyone would make that up, though. Right. Or he just can't think of any other name. It's just really-- It's your name, Daniel. I got that Elton John song stuck in my head and it wouldn't stop. Daniel's. Daniel's. Daniel, my brother. I mean, Daniel's. That was too much. So he was born in Pasco, Washington in 1935. OK. Six years after her dad. That's wild shit. He's the second of three boys, so he's the middle child. His parents are Pearl and Joe Meek. Joe was a lineman for the power company. No Seattle. Yeah. So we all know that. You were at the power company. His dad works at the power company for decades. Tough goddamn job, man. And he would come home from a day of that hard job and beat the shit out of his wife all the time. Oh, yeah. Just kicked the shit out of her. The one of the neighbors said, quote, he was a no good good for nothing brute. That's what she's saying about her. Both those things mean the same thing. Same thing. No good good for nothing. I guess that in her mind, he's no good. He's a shithead. And he's not even like helpful with things. He's good for nothing, too, because he could be no good. But he also helped her put in her storm windows. You know what I mean? Like that could happen. It could go both ways. But here nothing. Meek's parents finally got a divorce. Mom would work and glide. And his older brother, Alfred and his younger brother, Michael, were raised by his aunt, because his mom worked multiple jobs. Cousin Roger, who is the son of the aunt there, their cousin, said that glide Earl was a, quote, a scoundrel even as a child. Real rascal said he was a thief from four, five, and six. That's what he told people. Four, five, and six. That's a thief. That's out of the gate, man. He did say he had a million dollar personality and a real gift with folks. He's a bullshit artist. That's what he is. That's a manipulator. A con man, a manipulator. It's just that there was a missing link somewhere, the guy said, which is a great way to describe him. Another high school classmate said that meek was, quote, a guy that couldn't live by society's rules. He had a lot of talent, but he just couldn't keep within the system, which is why people go to Alaska. Those are exactly the people that go to Alaska, because I can do whatever I want up there. No one gives a shit or notices. So he went to Pasco High School in the early '50s, was there two years, then transferred to Walla Walla High. He was, by a teacher, described him as an honor student without effort. Yes, and he-- Do it. And he's an athlete, too. He's great at sports. He's a football player. He's a wrestler. I think he's captain of the wrestling team here, too, and shit like that, like he's popular-- He's like home solver. --popular athletic honor student, like sky's the limit for this guy. One time, he was in front of a classmate. He climbed to the top of the Bonneville Power Administration transmission tower. In Sacagawea Park, jumped off, grabbed the insulators, and swung on them like a monkey. Yeah. He did what Tango and Cash did to get out of prison. He's swung on power lines. Just for shits and giggles. Why would you do that? The balls on somebody to do that. I mean, if you accidentally, while holding that, touch anything-- You're dead. It's over for you. You're going to explode. Luckily, it's so far up in the air that if he didn't come off it, right, he'd also die, so-- Yeah, there's that, too. There's that. He said he swung on them like a monkey. One person said that. Then he swung back to safety just as easily as he got out there. They said, Unreal. His classmates said, I thought sure he was grabbing hot wires, but he did things like that. He was always out for thrills. Thrills seeker. Another classmate said that he could me could scale the side of a building, and I saw him do it. His hands must be so-- to be able to jump off and grab on to something and hold your body weight as you're falling, your hands have to be so strong, then to be able to climb the outside of a building. Wow. He said he likened him to a gorilla. He said, meek was like a gorilla. He said he told a newspaper that meek never graduated from college because he was caught stealing a car. We'll talk about that, too. He was at Walla Walla High School. Well, he was there. He was vice president of the student body. Upon graduating, he went to Washington State University, big college, on an athletic scholarship. Which one? Wrestling. Wow. He was the captain of the wrestling team at Washington State University. He only weighed 185 pounds. And by 30 years later, he still weighed 190 pounds. So he kept in shape, held it together. He was known as a, quote, "good second story man," which, if you don't know, means he's a good burglar. The guy who can go get into the second story of a place, not just a ground floor burglar, because ground floor people lock their doors. Above that, they go, oh, no one's going to climb up here. He does. I can't. He would climb walls and slip into buildings through the roof or through an upper story window that people would leave open, because who's going to climb up a fucking wall like Spider-Man? And this is his job, right? This is what he does for work? He just steals shit, and then he has jobs here and there. They said he was so powerful. His classmates said he had a crazy body, like a gorilla. His muscles and ripped. He got married in 1959, divorced in '64, leaving his wife with two sons that he'll never talk to again, just takes off. He makes no attempt to contact his sons ever in their entire life, and they have no idea that he's even their father. He's just gone. He's a sperm donor. So he went to burglary in the early '60s and would break into those buildings everywhere. He was caught in 1962, and the prosecutor said five or six establishments had been burglarized in Walla Walla, also a JCPenney store in Seattle. He said he used to go in through the rooftops of stores. He was a hell of a roof burglar. That's the prosecutor that said that. When we caught him, he had a U-Haul full of about 10,000 stolen goods. He's so good he got a U-Haul for it. 10 grand in product in the '60s. Wow. He said clothing, liquor, from Salt Lake City stores. If you met him in a pub instead of on the battlefield, you'd say he's one of the nicest guys around. I've been at this job a long time, and he's about my favorite crook. That's what the guy said. My favorite crook. What the fuck is that? He's stealing liquor from places in Salt Lake. It's all half-- It's all half for a second. --beat anyway. No, shit. My favorite crook from the prosecutor. That's a wild guy, yeah. So that means he's a fun guy. He likes him. He was sent to Walla Walla prison. First, he seemed like a model prisoner. He starred on the prison football team. He was the star of the team. Oh, shit. But after he tried to escape from prison, they lengthened his sentence, and he was finally paroled in 1970. 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He's not lazy, we'll say that much. I mean, so in 1972, his mother Pearl, who had a tough life, committed suicide. Fuck. So a woman who was beaten for 20 years and then had to work multiple jobs into the ground for years after that. She became an alcoholic and was depressed. She drove her Mustang to a ballpark, parked, and then left the engine running with a hose there and carbon monoxide fumes killed her. They said that meek, glide earl, wept and wept and wept at the funeral. Cried, cried, cried. People said they liked him in prison. His nickname was Shorty, by the way. And they said he was a likable hardworking guy. One guy said if your car had trouble and was on the side of the road, he'd be the first person to pull over and help. He might also steal your car. But he'll get it running first. - Ask me to put some shit in your trunk for him. - Yeah, I got some goods, maybe. His second marriage fell apart and his friend said that everything went to hell after that. He got a second arrest for burglary and was given a one year sentence. He had a successful business with the fuck you burglaring for, burgling for. I think he, it's weird like when anything happens, like he needs the instability. He likes the craziness. He likes chaos, you know what I mean? - Yeah. - He's given a one year sentence. He's paroled in the late '70s. Then he meets a woman named Debbie Alderfer, who's from Pennsylvania. And shortly afterwards, he's arrested while attempting to shoplift a $7 pair of pants. He went from being like a cat burglar. - Yeah. - Dump, dump, dump music playing in the background. Well, he's dressed in black with like a fucking grappling hook. He went from that to. - Touch and lasers. - Yeah, he went from that to, I got caught stealing some tough skins at the Kmart. That's. - Is that what it is? - That's bad. I don't know what it is. It's just, yeah, it's my first, my first guess. That's bad. - You're a rustlers. - Oh, man. Yeah, it's maybe it is. Wranglers are rustlers. So he didn't want to go back to jail. So he fled. He flees to Spokane, taking Debbie with him Alderfer. Then he went to Tucson, where he started another sign business. 'Cause Tucson, always looking for a new scum to inhabit Tucson. They don't care. - They need signs. - We need it. So about that time he began using the alias Daniel Michael Daniels. So he said it was one of about 10 false names. He used it various times. He's also a super possessive husband who forbade Debbie to call her parents ever. Never allowed to call her parents. - We don't call our dad. - Yeah, that's some guy from high school. - Yeah. - Not allowed. For eight years, she didn't call. Eight years. - Eight years. - She said I loved him. I felt my life with him was worth it. He had me convinced that if I call my parents, the line would be traced and he would be sent back to jail. - Eight years of this. - Eight years, they got a trap on her parents' phone because he stole a pair of tough skins out of fucking Mervans. Are you joking? Are you kidding me right now? Because a pair of jeans, good God. - That is bonkers. So he apparently went to a chiropractor, okay? He went to a chiropractor in the early 80s in Arizona. This is important because the chiropractor will treat him at a clinic and take six X-rays of his back. - Okay. - The only pictures of him that exist like this and they're gonna come in very handy later. So a big deal. So in 1983, these two moved to Alaska, he and Debbie, with the hope of panning for gold. - That's the plan? - That's your plan. That's not what it turns into. His plan was I'm gonna get me a pan and a pick and work the rivers. - In what year? - 1983, not 1883, 1983. 1983. - Wow. - Meek, he ended up being the caretaker of a vacation lodge at Seal Bay and that is where he meets Paige Jennings who also got a job there 'cause she has a lot of experience and ends. So she gets there. Yup, she meets him at a lodge. This is near outside of Anchorage. She worked in the kitchen 'cause she knows what she's doing there. He worked as the handyman. And yeah, her friend Betsy said she went up there to find herself and she was very, very vulnerable. This guy gave her something she couldn't get from anybody else. I don't know why, but he's a nugget maybe. So at this point, he's like balding, he's in this late 40s, he's super muscular, tons of aliases and he's got three prison terms for burglaries and car thefts and everything else. The ideal companion, oh, and more than twice your age, older than your mom. - And still married. - And still married, perfect. Nah, what a great relationship this is gonna turn out for this poor kid. So yeah, he's been described as everybody up there as strong and roguishly charming. - Okay. - So he fits in perfect up there. He's the caretaker and he is immediately into page. She's her and he's like, boom, that's my girl right there. - Two-year-old gal, crazy. - Funny, yeah, weird that he'd be like, I want that. So later on, he'll say the love we had and always had since our eyes first met in Alaska has been so strong that we both have proven it more than, proven it more than most people show in a lifetime. That's how he said. Now his wife wasn't quite as happy with this relationship as he was, which is strange that his wife would not be okay with him fucking a 20-year-old or anybody really, but especially a 20-year-old from work. She said that page had a lot of problems, which maybe she did. She said that Glide seemed to want to help her out and protect her and he became obsessed with her. Hey, he realized he could control her because she's vulnerable and young and he's older and a criminal. So, and she liked the attentions of this guy. He took her on nature trips and all that kind of thing. They would go out looking for bald eagles. Literally, let's go look for bald eagles. And she went on a trip with him, they went to do things. They, one page wrote this. When one thinks of the American bald eagle, visions of thundering, snow-capped mountains and rushing rivers in Canada, Alaska, and the northern states invade the mind. Keep your eyes skyward and your ears open. Maybe one day you'll see the magnificent bird overhead. - Okay. - Even the northeast, too. - There's eagles here. I see him in my yard all the time. Like in my woods constantly. You go down by the creek. You've seen them here. Yeah, it's a fucking majestic as shit. Yeah. - I mean, they're in New Hampshire. She's fucking seeing them growing up. - She's seen everything. Yeah, she's seen everybody. But I guess, I don't know, it's different in Alaska. It's different in Alaska. - Yeah, there's no salmon being swept out of the river here. - Shit just hits different up here, you know what I mean? So in the fall of 1983, they leave Alaska. When I say they, I mean glide, page, and Debbie, the three of them leave together. I guess if he can convince a lady to not talk to her parents for eight years, he could probably talk her into anything. - This 20 year old's coming with us. - Eventually, Debbie wasn't happy and she took off. Later on, she'd say, I'm not bitter now. I was hoping he would find some kind of happiness, but I guess he didn't. So October 83, an excited page takes this fucking dirt bag home to visit her parents in Jackson, New Hampshire who are nice New England innkeeper people who did not raise her to go out with this guy. - All right, the pistachio muffin on the pillow at the river. - They were horrified by him. They said he looked like a fucking homeless guy. He's older than the mom. Plus, they said he's like, he's terrible manners. He eats like he's in prison. He's just like a scumbag. Like, where did you find the scumbag? It's awful. - Using bread as a utensil. - Yeah, they're not, what future does this man have? In 20 years, how's he gonna, she's gonna be, what, 40 and taking care of his old ass? - Right, 45-year-old. - Wiping him. - 65-year-old man. - It's crazy. So the brother Christopher said the guy had no history. Well, he had a lot of history, just not a history he was willing to share with you. He had no history, no ambition. She could have done a lot better. That's what he thought. He did describe glide as quiet and low-key 'cause he knew how to play it 'cause it's in New England town. So he's a con artist, he knows what to do. But Mal and Betty were horrified at this, horrified. The friend said, quote, "They hated him." - Yeah, how bad. - So they were like, "Huh, we can't stay here." So they moved to Texas in late 1983, moving into a duplex in Palm Harbor, Texas near the town of Rockport. - Palm Harbor. - Okay, if I gave you 10,000 guesses, you would never guess what Paige got a job as in right now. Never. - 10,000 guesses, you'd never get it. - Palm Harbor is like, I know those two words together 'cause of trailers. Is she a trailer park attendee? - No, it's a job you'd expect that from these two. A job you'd never expect her to do, whatever. - Did she become the CEO of a fishing gear company? - Even stranger, she got a job as a sports writer at the local newspaper. - What the fuck is happening? What has she known about sports? - I didn't know she liked sports or even was a writer. I didn't know either of those things and either did anybody else. She just got a job as a sports writer. I guess it's a small paper. It's a weekly paper called the Rockport Pilot. And I guess she saw an ad and was like, I could bullshit my way through that probably. And if she's a good writer and pretty smart, maybe she could and she did. So yeah, she did that. A coworker, she's employed there for about five months. A coworker remembered at least once, if not more than once, she came to work with bruises on her face. She said she had gotten in a fight with Glide. That's what happened. Fall 1984, they're still in Texas kind of going around. They, the Jennings here, Jennings is Mal and Betty, tell her it's either him or us. You can't come around here with him. - Yeah, this is nuts. - So they move to Florida where she gets a job at the Stacks restaurant inside the Holiday Inn. - Top two axes, right? One of those. - No, no, no, C-C-A, C-K. It's a restaurant in Holiday Inn. It's not like a. - Can't take place. - Yeah, it's just, it's just a Denny's that doesn't have the Denny's cachet. Doesn't have the cachet of IHOP, you know. - God damn it. - Jesus Christ. A coworker saw Meek pick her up at work a few times and said he looked rough looking. He's 50. Well, of course he's rough looking. He's aging. - The man's been the prison thrice. - Yeah, no shit. He remembered how Meek would sit in a booth and drink coffee wearing a red and white baseball hat with the word page stenciled across the bill. He got a custom hat. - What? - I'm here, I'm just working with Paige. So throughout December and January, Meek came and went on mysterious business trips. Turns out he went to Louisiana, Texas, Jacksonville, Florida where he ended up buying a blue Fiat at some point in a car. Which is weird. And then at some point he stole another Fiat and painted it silver in Corpus Christi, Texas. One point Paige is talking to a friend and Paige tells her friend Betsy that yes, he beats me. Yes, that's true. But she begged me not to understand her and not to judge her. I'm not judging you, I'm afraid for your safety. They're different. - I want you out Paige, come on. - So her friend said she had no more sense of her own persona. There was no page left. It was what Betty and Mal wanted. It was what Meek wanted. So she'd just follow other people. She saw a therapist, her friend advised her when you go to a therapist and she did. She actually sought help, which helped her a lot. She bought herself a puppy and went to live with her brother in Gainesville. - Florida. - Florida. Yep, went to live with her brother Christopher, who's got a good job and he worked in a newspaper in a newspaper advertising office. And so, yeah, but she goes there. She's starting over, puppy, brother, therapy. Done with the old man. Then, Meek, who had gone to Seattle, leaves Seattle, shows up in December and moves in with them. - What? - December 84. Yep. Apparently, the parents heard about that and they said, "That's it, don't come home for Christmas. We don't want to see you." - Neither are you. Neither of you. Well, Christopher can come home. He doesn't want the guy there. He said, "I just came home and he's living in a room. What the fuck am I supposed to do?" - Yeah. - January 11th here, Chris, with his parents, told Paige and Meek to get out. Yeah, I got out of my apartment. Can't live here anymore. He told Paige, who he always said was his best friend, his sister, that she could come back anytime she wants, just not with this comeback. He can't be here. He said, "My big beef with the guy was, what the hell do you do with your life? I don't understand. Where is your goal? Don't you have a goal? You're a 49-year-old loser." - Chris, you're a young man with all this ambition and shit, calm down. - No shit, so. - Wait till you hit 40, motherfucker, you'll give up. - He's like, "I haven't given him." This guy gave up when he was 20. (laughs) So Paige chooses Glide, or I'll Meek, and they take a room at the Gator Court Motel in Gainesville. - Oh, no. - Oh, it is hit rock bottom, as Gordon Ramsay would say. We're at rock bottom. - He rented a storage space in a mini warehouse named Atkins Storage, and on January 11th, Paige went to collect her half of the apartment's deposit, and her brother saw her there. Meek went after that. Meek go heads north, but without her, leaves her in Florida. On January 12th, he booked a room in Brattleboro, North Carolina, and the next night checked into the Bridgeport Motor Inn, not in Pennsylvania, like the regular length episode this week, in Connecticut. Why I kept confusing it. January 13th, 1985, Meek calls Chris Jennings, the brother, Paige's brother, and tells him that he and Paige were on a honeymoon in Miami. - In Florida? - Yeah, meanwhile, he was in Connecticut the night before in a motel. So he didn't, Chris didn't talk to Paige at that point. He just said, "I just wanna tell you, "we're there in Miami." Meek then pawns some of Paige's jewelry in Portland, Maine on January 14th or 15th there. So they know that he's around, 'cause he had to sign his name, so they know he's there, not in Florida. On January 14th, Meek is seen in Hartford, Connecticut attempting to pawn some jewelry. The pawn broker recalled that Meek had said the jewelry belonged to his daughter, who had died in a skiing accident. Trying to get a couple extra bucks for some sympathy here. Later in the same conversation, he switched stories and said his daughter died in a car accident. The guy was a back guy. She was driving her car on the ski slope. It was a crazy thing to do, man. And she just crashed into a tree. - She all hopped up on the Swiss Miss. - You know how it is. You see that girl on her hair ain't even blonde. It's the Miss that turned it that way. She's so hopped up. - Off a marshmallow. - Oh, man. January 15th, 1985, there is a fire. - Uh-oh. - At the caretaker's cottage at the end, that the Jennings zone. There's a fire in Jackson. When they find, look around the structure, it's not the actual in itself. It's a cottage that they stay in, that the now and Betty stay. They find them inside, bound and gagged with nylon ropes, with their throats slashed and repeatedly stabbed. - Good Lord. - A passing truck driver saw the cottage inflamed and flames and called firefighters who found the bodies in separate bedrooms like that too. They were taken away from each other. This is disturbing, to say the least. The attorney, William Payne, said it was stark, stark. I really remember having a feeling of being black and gray and white, of it being black and gray and white. He said that's all he saw in black and white. So one of the guy, Richard Patch, Dick Patch is his name. Don't name your kid Dick Patch, please. He owns Patch's gun shop, old Dick Patch. Of course he does. - And he's got to do it with, of course it's guns to be like a skillet as possible. - I'm Dick Patch, good to see you. Name's Dick Bow Patch. - How do you shave it down there? It's a Dick Patch. It's a Dick Patch, that's what I put extra hair on, called a Dick Patch. He said more people are aware that it doesn't always happen somewhere else, that it can happen here and they're taking measures to protect himself. He's like, and I'd love to monger this fear as much as possible. - Come true today, 10% off any. - Yeah, I'm going to blow on it, like it's a dying piece of kindling. Oh, foster that shit until everyone comes to me and it's good for my business. So he said that a lot of guys between 35 and 55 are coming in, he said he's selling tons of ammo. He's doing great, he's doing great. He said that residents talk of nothing else but the killings and that people are scared. He said residents want to find a motive so they can comfort themselves that there's not some crazed killer out there. Which, yeah, you want to find out who and why that way you know they're not coming for you. They're not looking for random nice people. So Chris moves up from Florida, quits his job at the newspaper, it goes on leave or whatever, to run the inn for the winter because they have reservations all winter and shit and he's got to finish it. - The employees are all dead. - Yeah, that's what I mean, they're dead. So, Meek takes off. So he was up on the Eastern Seaboard and apparently then he goes back to Florida to Page and their theory is, and this is a theory they have that he goes back and tells her about the murders and thinks she will be pleased that he's removed the tension between her parents and him and in fact, she's extremely distraught about it. She didn't want her parents to be murdered. So, you know, having a bit of a pain in my ass. Oh, that's fine, I murdered them, tied them up, stabbed the fuck out of them and just went ahead and burned their cottage up. - Let the whole thing out of it. - They're fine now, it's good. - You solved, problem solved. So that same day, Chris finds a, Chris goes to his apartment and finds a, there's a message from Chris to Page in case she comes to the apartment. So he writes out, "Page, I really need you, love Chris." 'Cause he's trying to tell her about the fucking murder that happened to the parents in case she comes to the house. But it's when it's found later on, there's a scroll and another handwriting defacing the note. The "you" is crossed out, "I really need you." And it's a huge "no," it says over it. Scrawled and underlined many times, you know, like somebody would do. Inside the apartment, two sheets of Gainesville's Sun Stationary and the same handwriting that we'll talk about later on writes another message here. This note speaks of these New Hampshire murders. It says Friday, 18 January, 1985. This and the note telling Page to get the eggs, milk, flour, onions, cheese, et cetera here, did it. We are together now and forever, as what he says. That's what he says. Telling Page to take the eggs, milk, flour, onions, cheese, et cetera, did it, bucco. He calls him bucco, Chris. We are together now and forever and signs it Mike, which is one of his aliases. He also wrote, "Right will prevail." As you wrote in your scheming letter to Page in Alaska about taking the bus or flying or riding down to Seattle or riding down to Texas, then pretending to go home for a couple of weeks. You bastard. He says, "Daniel's is a dead man if he comes here." You wrote, "You live with it all now, bucco. Mal, Betty and us, meddling fools. Page is so bitter that this is the only way she can see how we can be together forever, cremation. Call the police, they have some letters and information for you or whatever." That's the letter that he gets Chris has in his apartment. January 28th, 1985, Alachua County Sheriff's Office gets a phone call about a suspicious car in a field off State Road 236 and 93 in high springs, outside of Gainesville. 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He also saw an envelope on the dashboard on the driver's side and it was addressed to the Gainesville Police Department Bureau of Homicide. Check the car from the back door unlocked. So he reached in. So he's touching it. He's just befouling it with your fucking ruining a crime scene at this point now, good job. He grabs the envelope. He opens the envelope and discovered a several pages long handwritten letter dated January 18, 1985. Scanned it quick, he said, but it was quick enough to where he saw he saw something else. The letter said that near the car somewhere is a will, you're going to find a burn shack and inside that shack, you're going to find the remains of two people. And he said, I am the person writing this letter is one of these people. You're going to find two people here. So about 100 feet away, he could see a clearing and they saw evidence of a fire that had burned out long ago. A lot of trees in the area were burnt nearly 40 feet up from the ground. So it was a big fire at some point. He finds inside this structure, burnt out structure, two human skeletons. One larger, one smaller, burned so completely that they were reduced to mainly fragments and dust. What remained here was they said there was a metal wire structure like the remains of a cot or a bed type of deal here. And both the skulls were positioned on the same end like they were laying down next to each other. Below the metal was charcoal briquettes like you would make for a barbecue. Scattered around the bodies were two one gallon fuel cans. They were melted, they were there. And then there was a melted but noticeable shotgun and a sprayer of some kind and another set of badly burned bones possibly of a small animal they couldn't tell. The remains of the young woman, they said it looked like a young woman a middle aged man were found in the shack here. It was in the edge of a cornfield. They said it almost looked like it had been some sort of crematorium. A lot of stacked items were used to create a very hot fire including charcoal. More than 10,000 bone fragments are recovered from the cornfield. - Oh God. - That's how it is. And there's a guy named Dr. William Maples, a forensic anthropologist, he's got to try to put it together and figure out what belongs to this. - The car has puzzle. - This is like, my aunt once had a puzzle, it was like 10,000 pieces and it was all like bottle caps that all look the same. That's what this sounds like, it's a nightmare. So they find the car, the letter mines you in the car, they find and it's dated Friday, 1245, Hilton in Gainesville. We have made all our arrangements that are now ready to do what Paige thinks and I is the only way we can be together for all time. The constant interfering with our lives by outsiders is over. We know that to go on like we have in the past would only eventually turn our love into hate for each other and cause us to eventually separate. That thought alone is what neither of us can bear to think about. The love that we had and always had since our eyes first met in Alaska has been so strong that in just 19 months we have both have proven it more than most people show in a lifetime. Problems were, problems we have had surely, problems we have had surely but very few of our own, instead caused by meddling others. The pain Paige has gone through because of her family is what makes all we have done in the past week bearable to me. She was rejected by her family when she came back from Alaska because she loved someone her family didn't approve of. Instead of supporting her and saying we don't understand but are with you, they told her to get rid of me or get out. We went to Texas, still the interfering from them and on her father's birthday she was sent money to go home but not to bring me. Oh we're not gonna pay for your 50 year old fucking boyfriend to come through. He can buy his own ticket. - Take care of your own life man. - Oh my God, they were under the impression that we had broken up and were not together. So when she got off the plane her mother took her shopping in Maine on the way back to Jackson, she told her mother we were still together. Her mother turned the car around and took all the presents back to the stores. When she, wow that's fucking amazing. - That's cool. - When she finally got to Jackson, her father told her to get out and never come back. Her brother told her to quote, get fucked in the ass and never wanted to see her hear from her again. I doubt he said that. This sounds like a nice guy. - Sure he said fuck you. - Yeah he said fuck in the ass. She called me in Texas and told me what happened and was getting back to Portland and told me to pick her up in Houston. When she got back home I spent almost four hours with her in my lap talking her through what she was put through. Then we went to Alaska again and worked in the worst possible place for a lonely girl with all these thoughts she never really told me about until last week. The letters from her brother helps to explain what I'm writing about. Pressure, rejection, pressure, castigation, pressure and then what took place several weeks ago and more pressure. Her brother who was quote helping her got to pressuring her thoughts into telling me to leave forever. She couldn't tell him to hurt, she couldn't tell him to hurt him or me to hurt me. She kept it all inside and it became too much for her. The final straw for Paige came when her brother said we had to get out by 5 p.m. tomorrow or he would pull the plug. He left a note telling her to take the milk, half an onion, cheese, Beck's beer, soup, et cetera which said to Paige get everything that will remind me of you and get out of my life again. The onions. The onion, that's it, bucko. He called him bucko twice in a letter. All our letters to one another have been burned so no one can touch them. All our pictures likewise. She made me promise to burn the home in New Hampshire to make sure there were no mementos left for anyone to have. He's saying that Paige told him to burn. Yeah right. It seems like she wanted to just disappear so as if to never have been on earth. In the past week we've talked over our plans and that were brought up many times whenever she was depressed. At first we would go together and make them pay quote unquote. Then finally it came down to me going while she waited for me to get back and we die together by cremation. Why? Because I love her so very much is the only reason I can think of. More than my own life itself. Sometimes as I drove up and back I think she caught, I think she thought I would get up there, do what we wanted and get caught coming back all that time and distance. Only one road out and a fire would attract immediate attention so would be reported quickly. Just a feeling I guess from our meeting on Thursday at noon at her brother's house. She hasn't said much to me since. Only that she is ready and was meditating the days I was gone spiritually she was ready. You are thinking this guy's crazy. Yes. - Yeah. - Wow. - That's what I write into. - You are perceptive aren't you? It's a seven page letter. We're not reading all of it. - It's called a manifesto. - That's what it is Ted Kaczynski had the same thing. - Yeah. - Shit here. He said no I am not. I have functioned like a rational person in every way since we made our plans such as getting motels, eating, driving, selling things in Hartford, buying the shotgun and the event I got stopped on the way back I would use it on myself and not hurt any other innocent people. He said page, page would jump from the bridge in Jacksonville with her car battery tied to her if we couldn't go together as we have planned. But yes, crazy from love and caring for this lady to want to be, to want to forever be with her at least mind spirit and ashes. We are to go together so our ashes cannot be separated. Only our bones can be put in two different places as her brother will do. Page says if we died whole, he would separate us by two graves and this way it's impossible for ashes. As I sit here contemplating what is ahead for me appalling but I have given my word and that is and always has been my bond. Nobody can say about me once I say I will do something that I've ever not done it. Page knows this and may be used it. I'm not regretting what's been done because if we ever would have been called, if we ever would have called it quits permanently, I would have taken all of their lives anyway. She either way isn't a kill everybody. But now I have to take page's life with my hands and kill the only love I have left. Page said she needs it that way. Her meditation time directed her. She knows that I will do it and isn't worried that I'll wimp out on myself by not joining her. My word and she believes in me that much. Her brother won't be harmed so that he can live with everything for the rest of his life. A payback for rejecting her and writing that she was insane in his journal, in his own journal. Didn't tell the newspaper, didn't tell all her friends. He wrote in his private diary that she's insane. Personally I would like to wait around and do him but she's made me promise not to give him the easy way out but to think about it every day and I've promised to go with her and so we shall. The place we picked out was found by driving around many miles and it was history on top of a hill and seemed to be just right for her to her. We had two picnics there and that is where we made our plans and promises to one another. She's waiting now and I must do what I can't believe I'm going to do but I must do it for me and her. Then here a line is skipped in the note. The last two lines above beginning with she is waiting now are written in a more hurried and slant-wise script they says as if it's in a rush. Then several blank lines follow and then he resumes, "Maybe I'm crazy, at least now I have taken the life "of the only lady I feel I've ever really been in love with." And I don't want to die but I will just to see if we can be together again as Paige seems to think. It was the most terrible thing but feel her love more than ever now it seems. Then the next five words are crossed out but you can see it obviously it says I took her in my and then he starts again. First I should tell that as we built our cremation it was the happiest I've ever seen her in many weeks. She kept talking and had such an air about her afterwards. We talked for about two hours and just enjoyed each other and hugged and repeated our wedding vows to one another and hope we are doing what's right for us. When we were ready I took her in my arms and I said, "Page I love you." The answer was, "Mike it has always been only you "and I want it to always be that I'm your very last love." She sat in front of me with me sitting behind her and I put a choke hold on and held it for at least two minutes. She never once seemed to struggle and when I thought she had expired I released and lowered my arms to hug her. Damn she started to move and I couldn't do anything else but start rubbing her shoulders and talking to her and in about 20 minutes she was crying in my arms and horsley started talking to me and crying too. She said, "Mike you promised, you promised "but I just felt I couldn't anymore." We talked for a little while and then the very last word she said was, "Mike I love only you forever." And this time I kept that hold on her until my arms, fingers and body cramped. Later down on the blanket and she was still turning blue. I readied the wood under the platform and she started to jerk a little. I looked at her with the flashlight and this time she wouldn't be coming back but I couldn't stand to see her twitch so I hit her with a large stone. Oh boy. That's why her head may be crushed on her right side. I've decided to rope myself down before I use the shotgun in case I might do the same and fall from our platform 'cause then he won't be burned as much. That's the only reason why there may be rote marks on me if they don't burn off or something. The little brown bag or ashes from her puppy that died in Texas last year. He didn't kill her, she just kept her dog's ashes with her. The little, that's it. We had it cremated in San Antone and she wanted the ashes sprinkled with us and the present puppy Chelsea are the bones with us. I brought her back with me from New Hampshire, Jesus Christ. It's time for me to go back up there and finish and be with my love for all times. Paige was the most beautiful lady in the world but at times a devil. I feel just because she had so many things working against her pressure that finally made us do this last step. If I can spend the rest of my time with her somewhere is all that I can hope for. I loved her, goodbye. D. Mike Daniels, four Paige Daniels and then he said, I'm going to start the fire with $21, $100 bills for she was 21 and 16 days. Okay, now police pretty quickly figured out that the D. Mike Daniels was actually glider on me 'cause that's one of his aliases and they know that. But they don't think he's dead. The cops think, no, they think it's Paige's body but they think he took some fucking vagrant that was the same size as him, killed him, shot him with a shotgun and put him in the fire. That's what he thought. So he could escape free and clear. That's what they thought. So they said that the mail they had, they brought the letter to the FBI for psychoanalysis. They said the mail is a narcissistic, histrionic personality, obviously. The illusions of grandeur and great self-importance and very self-centered with very unrealistic goals in love with himself, he has a fantasy of ideal love, shows increased confusion as the letter progresses and may have major depression in the past. They said the female has a passive aggressive personality meaning Paige lacks self-confidence and is dependent on others and has separation anxiety. She wants to get back with her family. I think this is a fake suicide note is what the psychologist said. So the graphologist, the writing person agreed. They said the mail is a person able to lie and deceive is threatened by his insecurities tends to put things off. His ego comes through like a club. He is a clever demeanor. He is bluffing in the last page about the fire. It's possible but not likely that this is not a real suicide note, that this is a real suicide note. Now, the problem is the female tibia, Paige Jennings had injured her knee at age seven, at age 17, throwing a javelin in high school, underwent surgery to repair it. The surgeon didn't have the x-rays anymore but the surgeon assured the doctors that she made two incisions in the surface of the tibia and attached the tendon through them. It's the hauser procedure and it leaves definite and characteristic marks. The bone is cut through two small parallel rectangles and these rectangles remain visible even after they're healed over for the rest of the life of the person. So they had a New Hampshire surgeon sketch the rectangles on a pencil and pencil on a sample tibia that they took up and they drew two rectangles on the whole deal and seeing them, the guy said he was perplexed because he knew very well that on the burned and painstakingly reconstructed portion of the female tibia that was lying there, there was no trace of any surgical scars. So they carefully reassembled the five inch portion of tibia from 36 separate fragments of bone x-rayed it and poured over it. They said the scars should have been there if they belong to her. Other clues, speculation about the bodies here. They said one might be page but they found two of pages, they found two teeth. One of pages and one is the outer gold inlay of meek's tooth. And the one guy says the gold tooth is the most characteristic tooth and glider all meek's mouth. The tooth found next to the female body is the most characteristic tooth of page genings. I suggest to you that this is salting the scene. They took their own teeth. - So they took those out, yeah. - Yep. Then this is even more fucked up. Three weeks after the murders, this is right about a week, not even a week after they're the burned up house in Florida's found. Under the back seat of a stolen car in Arizona, they find another one of meek's teeth. - What? - Yeah. Really fucking weird. So the theories are that he used the bodies of two vagrants to set up the murder suicide after he killed Paige somewhere else possibly. So New Hampshire won't close the case. They'll say they believe that Paige is dead 'cause they find other things that they believe are Paige, bone things. But they said that they don't think it's that glide is there. A sheriff in Florida said quote, "It's a definite who done it more." And I'm gonna use this accent 'cause when I tell you what he said, I guarantee you he had this accent. It's a definite who done it more than anything and might very well forever and ever amen remain a who done it. - Exactly. He sung a country song in the middle of that. So I had to give him that accent. - And he even invoked Randy Garver who ran the travis. By the name of Randy Travis and all that he stands for, it's a who done it forever and ever amen. - That's fucking amazing. - My favorite country singer's name ain't Randy Travis. - So they put Meek on the FBI's most wanted list. They said the skeletons were bogus, glide was still alive, Paige Jennings couldn't be. It's all in the newspaper. Boog is this, 10 most, 10 most wanted them. I mean, it's crazy. 1987 though, they conclude that the one body is pages. A Florida scientist, the anthropologist guy, forensic anthropologist. - They're positive, it's her. - They're positive. They find several different things that make it positive viewing bone fragments and size and this and that. The male, according to the examiner's office, died of a shotgun wound to the head. The female homicide violence of an undetermined type because you wouldn't be able to see what he did. He said the scientist said it took a long time because we're very cautious, but we're ready to make a remarkably complete construction of the remains and identify them as being pages and we think Meek's. So, but the one guy said Meek was extremely street wise. So investigators finding the matchbox tooth in the car. They said, oh, maybe that's not it. They thought maybe he was saving one of his own teeth so that he could fake his suicide at one point and put his teeth down. There's some use it for some other kind of identification scam. So that's interesting. However, up north though in New Hampshire, they said, nope, said sorry, not, not, he's not dead. - We're not taking it. - He was known to mail packages to friends in Arizona. So it might have been that. New Hampshire, the attorney general said they don't doubt that Paige is dead and they don't doubt that Meek killed Paige's parents, but they're not sure about Meek or Paige in New Hampshire. So Florida said, the guy in Florida said if they, meaning the New Hampshire authorities, have come up with any evidence that conflicts with ours, they certainly haven't shared it. So we don't know. They said they, Florida case, they closed it based on evidence reported by Dr. William Maples, Billy Maples. They said he identified a tooth among the charred remains is belonging to Meek, Meek one belonging to Paige. We did some bone comparisons. It's them. What do you want? - Okay. - So then finally in 1988, they have some new high resolution video technique to confirm the identification of the suspects. And finally in New Hampshire, they said the attorney general would like to receive a presentation himself and we would hope we'd be able to identify them and close the books. And they finally close the book on Meek and declare him dead and declare Paige as well. I could tell you the science, but it would take forever to tell you what they found. But basically, it's a video superimposition, two video cameras that blend two images on a single screen. So what anybody can do on their phone in three seconds, this was new technology, they said with this, they could superimpose an X-ray of the reconstructed skeletal pieces over a medical X-ray of the bone taken of the person who was still alive. They had the chiropractors X-rays from Arizona and that's what they found and that's what they matched up perfectly to. - Really? - Every detail matched. - Did barbecue himself? - He barbecue shot himself with a shotgun and barbecue himself. He said-- - What the fuck? - Maple's the scientist said quote, in the words of the game, he ate his gun. He shot himself. (laughs) - Okay. So Chris went on to sell Dana Place the next year to new people, the new owners of Dana Place said quote, "It happened and you can't hide it." They said guests still ask about it in the townspeople, it's still a perplexing thing and they don't know. Paige and her parents here look like they are buried in the Keir Sarge Cemetery in North Conway, New Hampshire at this point and we don't know where Glenn is. They probably just, oh Glenn's that's right. Maple said he kept him on the shelf and they said if New Hampshire ever wants to come down here and arrest him, I can grab him off the shelf and they're more than welcome to him. That's literally what he fucking said. So there you go everybody. That is Jackson, New Hampshire. Very quickly, 500th episode is coming up soon. Hit us up, hit me up on Instagram. I will certainly look at all the suggestions. Gonna pick the wildest one ever. I'm at James Petrogallo. Also follow the show on social media @murdersmall on Twitter @smalltownmurder on Instagram @smalltownpot on Facebook. Go to the shut up and give me murder.com. Tickets to live shows, get 'em right now. Minneapolis, Austin, OKC, Kansas City. We added more Boston, New York, Terry Town. Get 'em now, get in there. 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