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We're trying to round up these draft workouts just because the heat workout. Someone doesn't mean that they'll end up interested in him. There are smoke screens that are thrown out there, but the heat do tend to be more secretive than other teams about the stuff. Some other teams literally just release all of it. Somebody's in the building and they just tell you. It's not the way that the heat operates. But one player that we thought that the heat might take a look at, even though he's sort of outside of their usual preference in the air exposure era, is Zach Edie. The center from Purdue, well over seven feet tall. It was Player of the Year. Was he not? Alex, I believe. I don't watch a ton of college basketball. Yeah, you might ask the wrong person here. Well, because I've seen him play several times, but I'm just saying, yes, there we go. Well, he went back to back supporting News National Player of the Year Awards. He joined Oscar Robertson, Jerry Lucas, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton, and Ralph Sampson. So pretty good category there. 24 points, 11 rebounds, more than 11 rebounds, two assists, two blocks per game. And look, obviously it was not. Great AP Player of the Year's. Okay, the one that matters. And so, you know, he's listed at seven, four, three hundred pounds. I don't, was he in Chicago? I'm not even sure of this. But he went in in Chicago with the comment. Okay. I don't have any stuff up right now, but I was, I remember when the combine was happening, there was clips going around of him doing the shuttle run. There was some of him shooting. So you already know people were getting themselves hyped up over that. Well, and here's the comparison. This is from a college basketball insider named John Rothstein. I know that some people have mentioned it before. They called him the Edie is the Yao Ming of college basketball, even sort of. I don't know. He resembles him even a little bit in terms of the way he looks and the way that he plays. He's never attempted a three pointer. Okay. So we're going to be very clear on what he is and what he isn't. It says this, I don't know when this was taken, but according to Instat, he took only one single shot outside the paint or block. And it's a, this was a part of the scouting reporter on the sporting news on offense. He will force him to his weaker left hand. He's a non shooter away from the rim. His biggest strength is his most glaring weakness. He's so big, it's almost impossible to be as mobile as you would need to be to excel at the next level on defense. He's not quick enough laterally to keep up with the athletes in the league with NBA spacing. He would be played off the floor as a frequent target in pick and rolls. He's not versatile for switchy NBA schemes and even in drop coverage. Three point and mid range shooters would have a field day. Now, let me give you some of the positives. And again, this is from a sporting news article. Seven, seven wingspan, a movable force in the paint, drop step and dunk with ease. And defenses are lucky enough to force him away from the restricted area. He has developed soft touch on his right handed hook. Also good with good rebounder, put backs, patient, has a feel for the game inside the paint and just outside of it on defense. He's an intimidating, reliable shop locker. Look, the times I've watched him, and again, I don't watch a ton of college basketball anymore, but I try to catch up with your own tournament. He's relentless. See, he does play hard. He plays hard. He plays with an edge and he has a lot of those traditional big man things that you look for. But Alex, here's the question. Did he really want a traditional big man? So, that's a good, it's a good conversation and we're going to get into it. But I heard you say something about the wingspan and I have more here on his measurables. At the combine, according to the CBS Sports article, he was just under seven four without shoes with a seven eleven wingspan. So, yeah, the guy is massive and a nine foot seven standing reach, but I think the heat should look into it. I'm not saying I'm sold, he's my favorite guy for them to draft, but it would be a fun project in the sense of, first of all, if the heat were to draft him, that means they see a lot in him. That doesn't even need to be said, but it's like the things that he's really good at, he's very, very good at. And it's so extreme, like you pointed out there with, you know, the way that he doesn't really take any shots that are outside, you know, right in front of the rim, basically. And he has great touch, he's a great interior post presence, he's ginormous. And yes, he's a little bit slow, he can be considered one of the trees. But, and I think like you mentioned there, since the defense is considered to be like his biggest weakness, right, and how he's going to be able to guard an NBA and play in space and all that. You know, some things actually did come out in his favor from that stuff, like from the, from the combine. And I'm looking here at the same CBS sports article and, you know, like, it feels like the narrative was when you compared him to Donovan Klingen of Yukon who, you know, they won the national title on all that they played against each other for the national title is that Klingen, who's going to probably go top five with the way that his stock has been going up. Right, he was considered to be the mobile, modern, big man and Edie the traditional one. And in fact, at the combine, Edie ranked ahead of Donovan Klingen in lane agility time, the three quarter sprint max vertical leap and standing vertical leap. So, I mean, the he did have to be fair, one of the worst, like just straight speed times, just like up and down the floor. But the fact that he grated a little bit better than Klingen and some of the stuff that, that, you know, is going to be more useful in the half court offense or, excuse me, half court defense. Right, I think, you know, it's good because he's not a complete tree. Right, but I do think if the heat were to look into this guy, it would 100% be just to, you know, be the backup center. It's not going to be a play with Bam thing. And I know a lot of, you know, a lot of fans want that. You see it all over the YouTube comments. People really want, you know, a traditional big man next to Bam. And I'm not a fan of that. I think, you know, their spacing is already like very not good as it is. And like, I don't think, I don't think Spaux is into that idea of, you know, messing up their spacing with another guy who has to get all his shots in the paint. I don't, I don't think they're going to do that. And so it's a backup five. And I'm not against that. It's, again, he's not my favorite prospect or anything like that. But there's a lot of good fives in that range in the heats range. Just when you look at the mock drafts and we were talking about it the other day on playback, right, with Brady, we went through a lot of those bigs. And I think there's some more athletic ones that are out there, some more, you know, guys with more perimeter skills that are out there in that range if they wanted to do that. So going exactly, not only will be surprising, not just because, oh, they're getting a guy who's going to be a backup big and people are going to be, you know, getting PTSD from the precious thing because that's, that's what that idea was right. I just think it's like, there's other bigs out there who people like as well, and who are good. So I would be surprised if they got him. But look, like he's good at what he's good at. It would be a project for the heat to fix, you know, not fixed, but like hide his weaknesses and we know what they do with their backup bigs like they'll be in a lot of zone. I don't know if they're going to have him come up to a level and hedge your blitz. I don't know if that's the move for Zack Edie, but probably a lot of zone and a deep drop for Zack Edie off the bench. Well, look, I mean, as far as the center thing goes, I mean, let's, and I appreciate you going through all of that because, I mean, he is an extreme in the modern NBA. Like, I mean, you talk about traditional bigs have been phased out like this is like, this is the traditional big like this end. And the reality is that, you know, we can talk about Yokech and we can talk about MB and some big guys who are extraordinarily skilled, but this is more of sort of, I don't know, I, he's more of a scorer, but I go back to like the days of like the Rick Smith's could score, actually, but like a Mark Eaton or those when every team had like two seven footers like you rolled out one you rolled out another one. They didn't leave the basket and again that comes, you know, but again this this comes back to that question like if you're not going to play him next to Bam then what's the point and that's where I'm at with it like. I have my reservations about playing a big big next to Bam I've said this team needs more functional size right. Okay, that doesn't necessarily mean Bam needs to play before it could mean that Bam plays, I mean Yokech is functional size potentially if he develops but I'm saying like getting guys at all the positions who are longer, bigger, etc. It's something that this team needs to do they've been small, they haven't been ultra athletic, you add those things together with short wingspans, not a lot of height, all of that like it's it's a recipe for disaster. You essentially need to defend at an insane level and shoot the ball extremely well just to compete okay because you don't have those other natural advantages. And with me like you have the 15 pick like this is this is an asset pick it's not a great draft but they've done work in this range before. I mean right ahead of they took Tyler 13th they took Bam 14th. So to take a guy who like projects as your backup center it's not like Bam's going anywhere so like what are we talking about them like what is it going to be his contribution 15 minutes off the bench maybe is he going to be more playable than even look I don't know if Thomas Brian is going to opt in or opt out but is he even going to be more playable as a rookie than Thomas Thomas Brian type. I mean you'd hope right but I'm just saying like and as much as everybody talks about okay they need bigs and they're hard to find and they try they end to have having to play Kevin love it. Well they have Kevin but Kevin's obviously is an uber skilled player who's just you know in the downside of his career but still adds a lot of those elements that are useful to this team. So like okay like wouldn't you just be better off instead of investing the 15th overall pick and a guy who's never going to start for you. Wouldn't you be better off like just trying to find a better Thomas Brian like out there like I or a better Dwayne Deadman or a better Cody Zeller maybe you swing and miss again but like that's that's kind of where I'm at with it like I'm just I'm not seeing the vision for this like and I had trouble seeing the vision for the precious pick to not that I thought precious was a bad player but I'm like if they're not going to play him with them then again what's the limit. Right like your upside here is capped like and so let me actually this house let's say he's great off the bench. Okay let's say he's great like say the 15 minutes you still can't expand his role. Just to address that part of it because I know people are going to point out that he was making shots at the combine and left scouts impressed I think that also has to do with like expectations right everybody like you mentioned the numbers. Everybody thinks of him as like 100% inside the paint guy interior presence you have to run the post up for him. So him just making open shots at the combine is cool right like you can kind of talk yourself into the idea of okay maybe he can be on the perimeter sometimes. He doesn't always have to be down there in the darker spot or having post up offense run through him because that's another thing that he don't really do that like we've seen what they do with their backup fives. And maybe it's because of the talent they've had right so maybe so would expand his game and try different things like running post ups for Zach Edie and kind of having him be a big part of the offense as opposed to being just like a handoff guy who ends up rolling to the rim. But not really doing much you would kind of have to expand his role. I just don't I don't think that you know I it's cool that his shot doesn't look bad and he's making the wide open those wide open ones in a practice gym at the combine I mean in front of scouts to be fair like there's pressure for sure. But like I just don't think that translates to oh he can be a spacer out there. You know and maybe he will be I just don't think that it's reasonable to think he's going to be that he's not in the heat in the in the offense where they brought in backup fives throughout this whole era that have shot more threes and they end up shooting here. They happy with correct correct and then we were screaming for them not to shoot them like when dead man or I was Brian would take them right like Brian has shown exactly whatever is another example like whatever Brian's limitations were defensively which we knew about like he was a skilled offensive player when he came in and very little of that ended up getting utilized and I just don't see how it's going to get utilized more just because this guy is at a higher level in terms of that or is shown to be at a higher level and has competed at a high level in college against good you know good players but again the end. He has but you can do that in college like I just because again there aren't that many of those in college either and if a team is going to commit to build their entire offense around a guy. He's it be if he has talent he's going to be effective I'm not saying he's not a talented player. Okay but it seems to me like he's a player on a team that already has say a yokech right and then like okay so you want to give Niko some Nicole to some rest during the regular season and and eighty five fills a fifteen minute a game role like okay I can see that but for the heat you're talking about changing everything they do like I don't get it and then defensively with defense yes you'll have someone in a tree in front of the rim. But and okay I guess you can argue that that allows BAM that frees BAM up the blitz more and do all those kind of things. No right as though and the whole thing about workouts and we'll get to the spot and then we'll we'll get some more after break but like maybe I'm wrong there but like BAM just started shooting threes this year and we all feel like you know. Well we've heard about BAM making all of his shots at a workout too. Yeah but work. Right. Right. Right. And then but even when he came out of college like that his form was and we've seen that like they've developed him into a very good mid rain shooter which was not something he did a lot of Kentucky was saying like. He's not going to be facing pretty he's it's not going to happen before people. No no yo yo yo bitch could be like if that's your three man big rotation yes but I mean yo bitch is proven that but again. Yo bitch came out of like that overseas and like we're like okay he's raw as hell but he has point guard skills he has shooting form like they they can just tap into this just a question of how long he picks up the defensive you know awareness and that which he started to this year and so. There's real growth there I just I don't know I mean part of me has said okay get a guy who's ready to play. And and Edie makes sense for that he's clearly ready to play but he has to be playing in a situation that fits him and I just I just don't see it I mean look we heard all about I didn't we hear about precious making every shot as workouts too. Also Pat said the one time that it actually did play out was Pat said the Tyler hero had the best shooting workout he's seen for them. Pat sometimes exaggerates but look Tyler's a great shooter like that has not that has played out. Right so so I mean and that's why I was like okay he's Nick Stauskis when actually he's better than that they even had this Nick Stauskis on the roster one point but the Edie thing is like okay to me interesting player. You know Yao Ming there's also is the issue with those kind of bigs that they get hurt a lot. I've talked about that with Wendy's built different but if he's built like yeah yeah I've got hurt all the time. Obviously that's short in Yao's career if you're getting Yao Ming that's different you build your whole offense around it. So I'm not a once in a generation type I was going to be a Hall of Famer if not for the injuries so I just I don't know I'm out on this. So I'm going to state it right now I don't like the idea I just I think they need skilled long wingspan wings that's what they need in my view. But that's what fits them the best they need they're not going to find a player of this talent in this draft but they need an Aaron 15 period. I wouldn't either to me because I'm thinking a big 15 no no if the big can't shoot outside the paint no I just I don't. And the big can't if the big can't switch no I just know the way Eric's going to play like this is he's not going to change his whole offense for a rookie I just I don't see it. And that's the thing I don't see it from athletic bigs out there that are in that range like a cologne where like a me see like a drawn homes there's other guys there who are more athletic with like I said more perimeter skills but Zach Eddy like you mentioned it's such an extreme on both ends of this thing I mean I would even say I would even say it all pay offense and defense. You could only zone you could only deep drop. You're going to like you can't bring deep deep drop deep deep drop like that that's and look look I would take a Daniel Gafford like big. A vertical spacer okay that kind of stuff like you're not going to. Right you're not going to get a Derek lively maybe and with his upside but I'm saying like I would take a Daniel Gafford like big but like this particular big like. How many of these have worked I even go back to like Amika Oka for a few years ago right shorter than any okay with 610 whatever had a traditional back to the basket game and Duke but was slow. He didn't pan out like he Philadelphia tried it they of course they had too many bigs at the time they bounce for a little bit. I mean he wasn't he also natural player of the year. I feel like he was he was certainly in the conversation I just think and he was the top five pick I mean people complain about justice but I mean justice was on the same team was picked tenth that year. I'm out on the whole they need to get bigger. For sure but like okay the seven four guys going to fix it like I don't see all right. One more thing I want to get to on the other side. I do want to mention a great sponsor the five reason sports network legal in the state of Florida. Here you can find a five. Use the code five FIVE get your initial deposit matched up to $100 again it is legal again in Florida. They are honoring that it's pretty much the same game that you had before except for last night where I went under on for zingas which was silly or in game one of the finals. 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Well some of the guys like I mentioned already I think a lot of people like to wear and again I'm not like a big draft guy big college guy just giving that disclaimer but I have looked into him I've looked into some of the wrong homes. I've seen some of Missy and they're all you know kind of different but I think Missy is more like of what you're describing like a very much screening role guy was really nice on defense I think. Hello where Barry athletic role big who you know had a nice shooting percentage from three but did it on low volume. The wrong homes and other guy who has I think the most perimeter skill out of these three can do is more of an inside out type of player. You know can put the ball in the floor a little bit but it's I think he's he's intriguing. I'm not necessarily like I don't have a lot of preferences with these guys yet but you know to me those those three are the most interesting ones I might be missing one there just off the top of my head like maybe some people might point out Philopowski from Duke. I need to see more of him I haven't seen enough but in general I think those are the three guys I mentioned are more athletic and more you know traditionally modern. That makes sense traditionally modern but you know they're more of a modern big then then Zach Edie is I think the Edie is like it's such a gamble on. You're basically betting that he's going to be great at what he does in the NBA and not just like passable right that the defense will be passable enough. Not enough you know a big liability and I think that's what you worry about is that when he's out there. He's going to get you know just put in space in the pick and roll all the times that people are going to pull up for easy jump shots against the deep drop I think if he was on the heat he'll be playing more zone than not for sure. I think they would just be zone off the bench whenever he's in the game. You probably stagger and play him with yo bitch or play him with a smaller lineup. Definitely don't play him with Kevin love before people try to suggest that in the comments I don't think that's going to happen either. Or maybe I don't know maybe you put K love and so but teams are going to be getting threes off at a very high rate if they do that even higher than normal. And the other thing is to me I think Edie has like potential in the league like I think you mentioned the nuggets teams that have just in general very good spacing. Right and like a movement offense I think that's where you fit nicely I don't consider the heat the best. Well I look at OKC for instance right. OK you have Chet who is more of a modern big as you speak as we speak I've right needs to put on some weight but highly skilled. I think they can probably play together a little bit I also think that Edie could come off the bench for them and provide some scoring punch for them. Off the bench or metal sacramental but again most of behind some others right and they have so many picks in OKC that like Zach Edie like OK like we're going to get somebody to fill a specific role for us right. But the heat like I again I just don't see it I don't I don't see it from the only the only part that would even make sense of all is the timeline perspective that he looks like a player who could contribute offensively immediately. OK and they're a bad offense fine but but the skill set that he brings it feels like it would slow down everything else that they do like I and they they're slow enough like I just get stuff to him for sure like you can't right. You can't draft them at 15 and then haven't be a guy who only is like a you know hand off and roll guy or a screen and roll guy because I think like he could be fine there with his size for sure you know if he's just a good screen and roller that's cool. But it's like so much of his game clearly like when he's at his best is when he's in the post down there with again great touch. And the heat don't necessarily play like that a lot I mean it to be fair they've like run a lot of post ups recently for BAM. And of course for Jimmy in the playoffs but those are your two best players so we're talking about can I answer question before we close. We had some stuff for Hakka is in the post too but that even that dwindled after they got Terry and he's right and he showed a lot OK. So to your point OK as we close this up thanks to our sponsors also check out autograph use the code five if I VE and download that app for free where real fans get on a real rewards we can do in another giveaway on there I just did an exclusive video about this exact topic actually so that's how I got the idea for this so check it out. Get into a little bit more use the code five FIBE over at autograph. Here's you mentioned it like OK he's a great post up there who's getting involved post this team doesn't even know how to feed the damn post. Yeah they're not great they're not no they're not they're not and and again if Terry is back like you want Terry freelancing more creating for his own stuff he's not just throw the ball into the post type situation and go from there so I'm just saying like. I'm out on this idea we'll revisit it on draft night I just I don't I know the name gets people's attention I understand that. But I just I don't not with this coach and not with this roster and not with this system. And maybe be first team will end or rookie somewhere else that's that's the way that I kind of you know that personally as a player it's just, I don't, this is like if that was coaching that then OK and BAM would be playing the one but like you know it's just the two okay that that's the way that they would be going but I think we have enough of a sample size and air exposure at this point to let's he just falls in love with the player and wants to do something different but again I don't. That's a good price. All right. All right. Good pressure. Rim pressure right. He gives you. The way you thought. Exactly. It is rim pressure. Don't question about that. All right. So again we'll be wrong and on on draft night we'll be trying to talk ourselves into it and then I'll be getting spun all kinds of great stuff. All right. Have a good day everybody. 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