Radio Miraya
2753: Youth Forum - Nairobi Talks Youth Delegates: "It's time for South Sudan leaders to put people first"
[ Music ] >> Hello, and welcome to Youth Forum Program with me, George. I live here in Bajara today, it's Friday, June 7th, 2024. And tonight on the Youth Forum Program, we shall bring for you a special program from Nairobi's on our peace talks. The Redumbra team is back in Nairobi following the high-level mediation talks between the government, opposition hallowed groups, and stake holders. Today, the delegates will be interacting with Mr. Godfrey, Duke, stakeholder, and delegate of South Sudan Civil Society Forum, and also Mr. Manasseh Mahtian, stakeholder, and delegate of South Sudan Civil Society Forum. Just to remind you also, our team is covering this discussion live on Redumbra Facebook, you can stream live, and then also be part of the program. [ Foreign Language ] [ Foreign Language ] [ Foreign Language ] [ Foreign Language ] [ Foreign Language ] [ Foreign Language ] [ Foreign Language ] [ Foreign Language ] Yes, good evening, I live here, and thank you so much for that introduction. I hope you can hear us very well, right? Yes, son, you're loud and clear, go ahead. Okay, yes, like you said, we are here with two young delegates to these high-level mediation for South Sudan, and we have Manasseh Mahtian, who is from the People's Coalition for Civil Action, and we also have, like you said, Joe Free, who has been on Redumbra from the Civil Society Forum, and also member of the R. Jamaica. Let me begin by welcoming you to this program. Good evening to you, gentlemen, and thank you so much for accepting. To stay with us, up to late hours from your business schedule throughout the day. Good evening, thanks for having us. Okay, first of all, there was a big event here in Arobe, this evening, where the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Norway gave a very powerful statement, beginning with, let's begin with retired General Lazar-Someo, who is the chief mediator of this process here. He said, first of all, I want to recap from what he said. He said, "Don't abuse your old friends, or don't abuse your friends." And also, the Foreign Minister of Norway said they are disappointed because Norway has been with the people of Sudan and South Sudan, and all the hopes of development have not been all up to date. And also, like you had from the government delegation, head of delegation, Ambassador Albano, he said this is the last talks or mediation to be hosted outside South Sudan. Any kind of mediation will be discussed back home in South Sudan. First of all, let's begin with Joe Free. What is your take? 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Okay, yes, Manas, you were talking about how our friends use the water removed. First of all, this coming of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Nairobi, what do you think will be the impact on how the discussions are happening in the whole year? Because it's always a closed door and now we'll give a moral boost to you, as delegates to speak with one voice knowing that yes, you have a friend of Southland who at least can come in and say one or two words and take some few words back to Oslo. For me, I am positive. Again, I say that is a very serious show of support, serious show of friendship and commitment from the people of Norway. And I am confident that the people in this room and the people in South Sudan in general will be boosted by the visit. However, there is something I am also concerned about. What is it? Since 2018, we have been having a lot of visitors in South Sudan. A lot of visitors who come and they encourage us to implement the peace agreement. They encourage us to fulfill all the promises and the state that they are willing to support us. If when they see us implementing it, we say yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Like in Genovin, after that, what happens? Like we forget Shave and there is no serious implementation. However, but finally, I am also encouraged by the fact that this mediation process as a whole was initiated by President Sarvakir. That by itself shows that this is another attempt to try once. And we are almost getting the network, but the issue is we learned that there is heavy rain in Nairobi currently and here in Juba we had also a small rain. We learned that there is a lot of water in Nairobi and there is a lot of air in Nairobi and there is a lot of water in Nairobi and there is a lot of water in Nairobi. We learned that there is a lot of water in Nairobi and there is a lot of water in Nairobi and there is a lot of water in Nairobi and there is a lot of water in Nairobi and there is a lot of water in Nairobi. So clearly looking at our context, one can tell without difficulty that our problem is not in adequacy of laws, policies, regulations or peace agreements. From the national level to the local level there are so many peace agreements that have been signed by South Sudanese at different levels. However, there appears clearly that we have a problem, a chronic problem of lack of implementation and this has been appreciated by all parties actually to these talks that we have a major problem of implementation. Is it a consensus in this room that there is a problem when it comes to implementing the agreement? Yes, all the delegations of consensus that we have as South Sudanese, we have a problem of implementation of what we agreed on. Is it a problem? Has it been identified out? There are several issues that have been put across to help explain why implementing this on the lags behind. Two of the main ones are the lack of political will and then the funding and then the issue of funding. Now I will comment on the two. What is, what on earth is political will and where can we find in the South Sudan? Everyone is talking about it from the presidency up to the citizens, even international actors. Yes, the UN chief has severely referred to the lack of progress attributed to lack of political will. In New York, in Geneva, in no way, even the government of South Sudan, the position in society, all of us are complaining about this political will, as if it is some animal somewhere that we are praying to come to us. Very elusive phenomena in my view. And up to now, we haven't still figured out where this political will be in South Sudan. What about the issue of funding? Now, funding, we have to be honest. South Sudan is not a poor country and there are so many things that we can do with the little money that we have if we use it well. So it's just a matter of priorities. If we prioritize that the implementation of the peace agreement matters most for the peace, stability and security of South Sudanese. And then it is in order that we put our money in implementation of the peace agreement. However, we continue to see a location of funding to several other activities that has no contribution whatsoever to making progress in implementation of the peace agreement. For example, you see big rallies on totally irrelevant things. And then you complain, no money for the peace agreement, no money for paying civil servants. And then you see another fleet of v8s. What are we doing? We are not, has it been raised here in this discussion in the talks in Arabic? At least we in the civil society repeatedly saying that we are raising this issue that we are not serious about where we put our money. South Sudan is not poor. We have to put our money in the right priorities. And when we do that now we have the moral bearing to us now the friends of South Sudan to help. Otherwise you cannot carelessly use the money you have and then ask for help. It is an ad. I wanted to find out from you. You have been here right from day one since these talks started here in Arabic. Is there any progress so far you have realized as you join together with this comment you want to add for what Duke have said? Okay, let me start with the comment. South Sudanese, we are not incapable of implementing agreements. Why? It's shive in 2005 when we signed the CPA. And one of the highlights of the CPA was to either make unity attractive or separate. From there we go to referendum where the citizens will decide to separate. Now if you find, because that is something that was in our interest, we fulfilled it completely. We didn't fail to implement that. So if it's something that we want we shall implement. We are not poor. South Sudan is rich. The thing is where do we want? We put our money where we feel is something that we want. And I am shocked that we are not prioritizing peace. Lena, Anna, I was really surprised when I was hearing a report about when the Minister of Cabinet Affairs was called in by Parliament. And he was being questioned about the $10 million for the peace implementation. And he says that that money was sent to... It was reallocated. It was reallocated. The law office with the race, you know. And it makes me wonder is peace important to us. And I'm hoping that, apart from that limit, also remind us of something. You know, like many times, the Columbia Humanitarian support. Lofi, I am a humanitarian disaster. I'm not afraid of it. I'm afraid of it. Oh, we called on the international community. And we have used less than 2% of our arable land. Lofi floods. How are you? How are you? How are you? Like 98% of us are in need of food. And I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. 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I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see that. Yes. There is a very -- there is a statement of fact. There is nothing to -- Hasn't been discussed here. Has it surfaced anyway? Yes. In this whole -- Yes. In the talks, parties across the board agree that we are having serious problem with our economy. Besides being on its knees, it continues to deteriorate as we could see with the rate of $1 to the SSP. And the appreciation is that the fixing of the economy begins with bold decisions and consensus and agreed in these talks. Once we secure an agreement and an implementation of commences, we believe that the economy will begin to bounce back. Now, seller has been paid for months and the minister of finance weekly has been saying there is no money, but some people weirdly are still talking about elections in '24. That doesn't make sense. It's like we are living in another world. You cannot say there is no money for civil servants and there is no money right now to run the government. And then still say, yeah, we know election costs, millions of dollars, but we are hopeful that we will hold it in a few months. That is impractical and given the fact that there is disruption of oil flows due to the ongoing war. Yes. Yes. There is a huge challenge. Unfortunately, I have to tell you that if we do not rate the political consensus here soon, this situation is likely to get worse and worse. OK. Timeline. Timeline. There is no... Is there timeline? There is no established timeline that we are working towards because the mediation feels that that's important talks should not be constrained by time and space. Therefore, we have not been communicated that the talks should go up to this date and there must be an agreement. However, what should give us hope that an agreement is within reach is the continuous progress that we continue to make. For example, with the signing on the 16th of May of the Declaration of Commitment, and over the past week, even through the weekend, we had full full conversations on trust-building and confidence-building. And then the outcome document has been submitted to the mediation. That also illustrates progress. And now today, yesterday and today, is the conversation about the consolidated document. And what happens tomorrow? As poverty now. Tomorrow, we are still... The parties are separately consulting on the draft document that has been circulated by the mediator and the document. And the trust-building. No, no, no. The document is comprehensive compilation of the different positions. So, on the parties, on a range of the issues around the diplomatic issues of security, justice, social and economic issues, and political and governance affairs. So, hopefully, it will be one single name sitting next from which now will move towards either a single framework of implementation or several protocols. Now, I had a little thing on the woman, as I said, on the people who are still out. I would like to echo that, please, please, please join the talks and bring your voice and contribute to what's finding lasting solution to the multiple challenges facing South Sudan. If you're so concerned that you feel unsafe, despite your fellow South Sudanese leaders here feeling safe, you can still contribute virtually. We have seen even the president chairing the East African community meetings virtually. So, technology has made it possible for us to contribute across the seas. So, my message to Thomas to acknowledge now and that words is that if it becomes impossible for you to personally come, please organize your delegation and discuss with the mediators to arrange the infrastructure to facilitate your virtual participation in the process. And, finally, what is the final message to be listening to you as a young man attending these high-level mediation for South Sudan 2024 here in Irobi? First of all, I would like to urge young people across South Sudan, of course, including the old ones, that keep hopes alive that this process would deliver something different because we have a consensus that if we continue to do the same thing, signing a peace agreement after the other, if we're revitalizing until there's nothing to be revitalized, we are not going to achieve lasting peace. Therefore, the direction that this talks has taken is towards finding and addressing the implementation challenges. And, finally, to reach the declaration commitments which contains some really some different spirits. For example, point number three says the parties agree to set aside the individual differences and to compromise the political differences for the sake of the nation. To open and honest discussions, we will identify and implement practical solutions to the multiple challenges facing South Sudan. Now, the challenge begins with implementing these declarational commitments. Once the parties begin taking some of the commitments here of it will sort of do within that indeed we are committed to now doing business of implementation differently. Now, the other message that I have to young people across South Sudan is that there is a lot of information circulating around there about this process. People are having the opinions, people sharing things that they call news in a special social media. And some of them are not true and therefore don't, you have to consume information responsibly and make sure you consume it from the right sources such as Radio Miraya and other reputable media houses. And do not for what message is anyhow otherwise you will become a messenger of propaganda and fake news or hate speech. So always find out what is the source of the information that is being shared with you before you begin to take it as the right thing and share it further. Okay. Thank you so much. Joe Free, yes, Manaz, finally, as we wind up. You have final message briefly. Yes, yes, I should have up Junup, Junup Sudan, the Bandit Nana. And this process that is happening here, it is not a process with a CAC. The main reason why Nana Hina did because of Martinin, Junup, Zol Boda Boda, Al-Bittany, Bautik, Al-Gai-Amu Shah, Al-Gai-Buk, Fat-Tat, this thing is about us. So Sotak is very important. I have opportunity that you have to raise your voice and to share your ideas and your opinion on this process that your voice has. And Manaz, if you are this Ababa, H.L.R.F., you can feel how this Musatsudan is watching. You know, being from every part of the world, every day you are giving pressure to the CAC. And this is the only way that you are watching. What is happening here? Would you know being tabanin? Finaz, Musmabi, Al-Finn, you know being tabanin. Maybe, you may never know. Like in, Luvitama, Anasta, Luvitama, if you don't use the opportunities, they show with Mirai. And also, I am very proud of you. I am very proud of you. I am very proud of you. And also, I am very proud of you. And also, I am very proud of you. I am very proud of you. I am very proud of you. I am very proud of you. I am very proud of you. I am very proud of you. Thank you so much, Geoffrey and Manaz, and for your time. I know it has been a busy and long day. And tomorrow you have to go on and begin consulting about the document you have talked about and leave you. That's it. We have for you right here. Thank you so much. And back to you in this video. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you so much, Asani Martin and the guests there. We shall be back shortly. You are listening to a special broadcast of the South Sudan peace talks in Nairobi, Kenya. On Radio Miraya, The Voice of Peace. [Music] Yes, and that's it for today's special program. On the U.S. forum and you heard from the young people who are participating in the high level mediation discussion in Nairobi with the opposition hall art groups and the guests who are with Asani. We have Mr. Manaz, Martin is a stakeholder and also delegate of the South Sudan civil society forum. And also Mr. Geoffrey Duke, also a stakeholder and delegate of the South Sudan civil society forum. Otherwise, thank you so much. Our team in Nairobi that made it possible for us. We also apologize to you our listeners because there is a heavy rain in Nairobi and also in Juba. I thought it was a small rain, but this is a big rain. So all this contributes to what we went through the cut that we have in our connection. But thank God we made it finally. And before we go out from here, we shall not have another program coming in the remaining minutes, but we'll allow you to enjoy music because I know you are a young person that you need to exercise your muscles. And today is also Friday. Much more thanks to our team in Nairobi. Ms. Patricia O'Quette and Sane Martin and also Klyton Moyo. This is our team in Nairobi there. And also it has been a hectic day for the staff here in Juba. I want to appreciate and thank our team, people who make sure that all these have gone on air without any problem from seven. And they have been hearing. We want to send our thanks to the Miraya team here in Juba, beginning from our sister, Irene LaSue in the morning. Morro Locombo, who also joined and also severed after the big brother. They have made this high level mediation easy to be heard immediately or directly from Kenya, from Nairobi, Kenya to South Sudanese who are here in all the 10 states and the three administrative areas. Also not forgetting our technical team, people who work tirelessly behind the bar here. You only hear us, but you don't hear them. My sense to them, our brother Lalit Kumar has been there from seven up to this time and also have been rosed. These are people who made this special program. And I just remind you, tomorrow roundtable will be live in the morning at the usual time and it will come from Nairobi. Also, our technical team plus our presenter of the roundtable will be here. Otherwise, thank you so much for being part of today's program. Keep tuning to Radio Miraya always to get updated. I've been a presenter. George, leave your bahara. Bye-bye for now.