(upbeat music) - Back in on Canucks Central. Sat and Bick, Bick in for Dan Ritchie on the golf course. Pacharity, doing good things. We'll see Dan back on Tuesday. - So we should also explain what's happening here. It's not that Ritchie was like texting in updates of what he's doing. They're a little golf club that, have you been invited to it? - No. - Yeah, I haven't been invited to it. - No, I've gone and played golf with them before. Like I'm not part of their like little golf. - I think it's been very exclusive to get into. - Well, they have like an app and they track their own each other's rounds. - We have like the most welcoming, inclusive work environment, but like outside, sometimes these guys don't invite us to golf rounds. Anyways. - Yeah, there is. - A little golf snobby. - They have a shared app. And apparently Ricio is using the app as a scorecard. And so unknowingly, Josh is getting updates of Ricio's round. - And I think he set up alerts on his phone. So now he gets every single time he gets shot. - So what we're going to do is we're going to give you Dan Ricio course update. So the course of this show. We ask you, by the way, do not tweet reach. - Yeah, please don't tweet at him. - Don't like text him if you know him. Just for the next 90 minutes, we are going to give you Dan Ricio course updates like it's Jim Nance at the Masters, okay? And then someone texted in Ray for me like, where's the birds on that sound update there? So we'll work on recording some audio of local birds here. - They want better production on the spot, all right? - I'm just telling you. We'll what's happening in the inbox. - People have high expectations. - So we will let you know what's happening with Ricio in the course right now. - All right, we'll let you know. All right, let's bring in our friend Don Taylor, a presentation of Bassant Motors into the conversation. Don, I know you like to get on the golf course as well. But do you have an app where you track your rounds and you watch your friends and you guys kind of compete with each other on a daily basis? - Chad, I don't keep score, man. I did, that's just, that's just not happening. There's no apps, there's no scorecard. There's nothing. I had a good go until I had golf until I had kids. And now I'm just kind of getting like, and I still golfed, but not like I was before kids. So I'm getting back into it. I feel good about my game, but no apps. And I will keep score probably from here on in. I had sort of a good round last week. - Oh, nice, well done. - What's the old phrase, playing golf is a great way to spoil a walk? - Yeah, yeah, a good walk route. - Yeah, yeah, that's what it is, yeah. - It was Mark Twain or something like that. - Yeah, it's pretty much it. - See, that's very good, Donnie. You're a pro process over results. Like, who needs a scorecard and ruining it? Just like, I'm just here to have fun. - You know what, I golfed one time, a long time ago with an older gentleman, and he, this guy was just a, like a lot of guys who are older, who still golfed, straight as an arrow, everything was just beautiful. You had a pure swing, straight, not long, but really nice. And he told me, don't worry about, like, your total score. Just go for like six parts around. - Right. - And that way, if you blow up, if you have a 10, you're not, you're not really upset. Or, you know, whatever, whatever three parts around, four parts around, and ever since that mindset, I felt better about being so bad. - Yeah, that's so clever. - That is really good. - That is, every golf course has that like 57 and up old guy. That is like, just hitting 190 yards, down the middle of the fairway. It's like playing pick up basketball, and there's like all the 40 year olds are here. We're gonna beat them so badly. And he just got low post moves that you can't stop. - Yeah, pick and roll you to get to. - Yeah, yeah, that's 100%. That's good. - Yeah, and your advantage me of a bit is, I remember playing an old-timers hockey game. I was in an old-timer at the time. It was in red deer, and it was the fire department, and the police and the media against the Montreal Canadiens old-timers. And I'm talking everybody. Corinne YA, Omri were shard. They were, I don't know how old they were at the time, but we were all really young. And you know, a lot of really fit, guys. Maurice Richard was the referee. I'm not kidding, but this is just amazing. They just destroyed us. You know what they did? They passed the puck. - Yeah, it's so boring. They didn't really move that much, but they just passed and like, we're trying to beat everybody. You know, like, you're trying to beat Serge Savard. I mean, come on. - Right. - All they did was pass the puck, and it was like, it was 10-nothing before we even blinked. - That's a great story. Well, that's probably what the sedines would do right now if they got out there and played against anybody, right? - Yeah. - Yeah. - That's exactly what would happen. - Puck was fast. - Great. And I'm with you, Dodon. I mean, I'm not good enough I golf to get mad when I'm out there and playing. You know, that's just kind of my mentality more than anything else. There's just another way of saying I suck, and I'm not taking anything for it. All right, as far as the Vancouver Canucks go, we were talking about their off-season as we've been, you know, essentially discussing wall to wall since the Canucks were eliminated in game seven by the Edmonton Oilers in the second round. What will the Canucks do next? And it looks like, at least by the latest reporting and an old Dolly wall set similar things, that it looks like it's going to be difficult for the Canucks to bring back guys like Lindholm and Zadorov, especially with the offers they put out to them or the numbers they're willing to go to that they're not willing to accept. So the question is, where do the Canucks pivot if they're not bringing these guys back? - Say against that, I lost it for a second. - Oh, I said. - And I lost them a bit there. - So if the Canucks don't bring Lindholm and Zadorov back, where do they pivot? - Oh man, that's such a good question. I'm sorry I missed it the first time around, but I just, I got a belief and forget the pivot, I think they have to go all out within reason to re-sign, this is realistic. I think I've said this before. I just think you've got to go all out to get Zadorov and Myers back. And I say that because some people will go, Lindholm's a better player than Myers or Zadorov. But I just talked for a significant amount of time going back to the end of last season, before the end of last season, about that big nasty defense or somewhat nasty defense. And I think if you've got a chance to get those two guys back, you do it. And Myers is obviously not gonna cost you what he used to. If you can get him at three million and I don't know what he gets Zadorov at five, six, whatever the case may be, I just think that's got to be the focus. And where do you pivot from there? That's a million dollar question or more than a multi-million dollar question in the case of the NHL salary cap and NHL salaries in general. But I would have to think they would have to, again, if they lose those two guys, Zadorov and Myers. I don't think they're gonna lose Myers. That would be my guess. But if they do, I think the pivot would have to be try to get some size back on defense. It just works so well. You've got an Adams award winning coach. He emphasizes size on defense. You've got to get back there somehow if you lose those two guys or even one of those two guys. And you know what we're hearing a lot of is that the players have been talking to management about how much they want Lindblum back, which I think surprises a lot of people. But he was great in the playoffs. What'd he get 10 points? He was up there amongst their playoff point leaders. So really interesting. But guys, I'm going off in a million different directions here and I apologize for that. How many times do teams sign two or three or four of their own UFAs? Doesn't happen all that often. I just think with what Taka just said, you've got to go all low to get that size on defense. And if you can't get it with Zadorov, maybe you get it somewhere else through a trade or another free agent. - Well, that's what I was going to ask you, Donnie, is if they miss out on something like Zadorov in particular and you're saying you're comfortable paying $5 million. And if he still says like, I can get more elsewhere, you go to the UFA market. Are you comfortable then paying someone more than that? That that might be a better player, but it just seems interesting to pay like six and a half, $7 million for someone to play behind Quinn Hughes. I'm not against it. It just, it better be someone that's like really, really strong. - Yeah, that's a good point because Zadorov left E he's going to play on that left side. And how much realistic, realistic the how much ice time is he going to get for this such a big X factor with him. - Yeah, so would you be comfortable with that? I think Zadorov might be the exception. I'm not so sure I would be comfortable. Succi's a left hander. You know, is he the second pairing left E with Myers? I don't know if I overpay for anybody, but Zadorov, the other thing guys was Zadorov. And I do wonder why he's moved around so much, but five teams in 10 years, but he sells tickets. He gets people going. And I don't know, like I've seen Zadorov, you guys too, you've seen Zadorov jerseys out there. If the guy's been here a day and he just captured the imagination. So if I'm going to pay for anybody, it'd be Zadorov, anybody else I would hesitate. - Well, the one thing I kind of wonder about, I was just gonna say winning sells tickets too though, Donnie. - Yes, no, no, you're absolutely right. And they did a lot of that with Zadorov including including in the playoffs. And if they overpay on him, maybe that hurts, but look, no matter what they do guys, we know this and this in this market, they're taking a chance. And you know, you wonder if you gives it or off the big deal, will he get too comfortable? Will that edge go away from his game? I don't think so, especially at the most important time of year, but I could see them coming out of their boots to some extent to sign him, every sign. - The thing I wonder about too is, especially with all these reports, and I mentioned this last week that this, there is no pressure point yet. We're not even at the draft, let alone free agency. So nobody has to sign yet. Nobody's under any real pressure or duress to get anything done. And it's really easy to rattle Sabre right now and be like, do some Sabre rattling and be like, you know what, we're not gonna re-sign or this guy's not coming back. And then you get closer to a pressure point and people kind of change their outlooks a little bit. I wonder if that does happen here with some of the Canucks free agents, 'cause there is a lot of reporting about really not much. You know what I mean? - Yeah, well, and you know what, I hope the reporting about not much continues, just so we can entertain, just so we can entertain Alan Walsh. I don't know if you guys heard his interview on the weekend, but it was classic. He hates all the speculations of Vancouver. Oh, I loved it because it's like, what is he doing? Like the reason you're able to make so much money is that people care so much. They're so passionate. So, hey, listen, like, look, it's a dead period in Vancouver. Now, there's now like a finals going on. And you care about that, especially since it involves a team that eliminated the Canucks, but there's a lot of speculation going on. Maybe a lot of talk about nothing, but at least people care. And I find it kind of a fascinating, really tense time of year. - It's like us hating how many people are texting into the show right now. It's like the attention is driving up the dollar there. - Absolutely, like, you know, if it wasn't for attention, we'd all be out, or if it wasn't for speculation around the Canucks, we'd all be out of jobs. - Well, and that's why, I mean, I love it. Like, I was listening to you guys today and Dolly mentioning that, you know, Milstein isn't happy with something reporting around his players too and everything like that. It's like, well, the reality is, you know, agents love using the media for their intentions. And when they doesn't go their way, they love kind of throwing it out there. But the reality is they all use it, right? And I think, no, but even from the Canucks stamp, but I think certain things getting out, like, they want to get out. There's certain things agents want to get out. And then when it comes to them being under questioning, they're like, oh, no, we don't want to create any issues. Oh, it's the stinking media at it again. And it's like, well, behind the scenes, I talked to a lot of you guys and I hear a lot of stuff, right? So it's like, you know, they like to say it publicly, like, oh, it's the media, it's the media. They fueled that to a high degree themselves. - Yeah, and you know what, I'm kind of okay with it 'cause I'm at an age now or I've been around long and I've been with you guys. We can kind of laugh at it and it's kind of fun. Like, one thing about Al and Wall Street is that and people can, you know, obviously you're free to take a look at it. It's all over Twitter, but it's, he's entertaining. - Yeah. - I know he's not everybody's cup of tea, but he is entertaining. And if they use the media, they know the game. They get upset. I'm not so sure how upset they are given the rewards of that business. - Talking to Don Taylor here from Donnie and Dolly. As we talk about Lindo and as you talk about, you know, this is Dorov and where that money could go. If they were to take one big swing, Donnie, is there a spot you look at and say, like, this is the position I want? - Well, you know, the obvious thing there would be Jake Genssel. - Right, yeah. - And, you know, you've invested $11.6 million a year, at least that's the cap hit for Leah Patterson. And if indeed he has to have some sort of stud on his wing, which you would take you, he does. That would be where you take a big swing. You know, you've just invested so much in this guy. And for eight years, so if you're a connect management, you have to be saying, if we're gonna take a big swing and we're gonna lose the Dorov and we're gonna lose, Josh, let's take a big swing and try to get a winger for number 40 there. Because if you don't, you risk him, I don't want to say this, but falling into Louis Erickson territory where he's just, you're just overpaying. We had a listener actually, a viewer of make a good point today. With all this talk, and I thought the talk, you know, wouldn't be there regarding Winholm, but, you know, what about Winholm as you're 2C? And then you just go heavy with a lot of line. Like, is that what they're thinking? Is that a possibility? And then like, you know, then obviously when things aren't going well, you change things up in a while. But I wonder how many people in town and in connect nation rather in BC would have a problem with that. I wonder, I think if it meant losing the Dorov and maybe so, maybe Myers 2 in that size, they might have a problem with it. But when I look at it that way, I think, okay, maybe Winholm makes a little more sense. I don't know how Pedersen feels about playing the way, but if it's with those guys, maybe it's a lot better. Or even just, it's not even so much, you know, Linholm at Third Line Center. So maybe we'll text that in and be like, why would you spend $7 million to Third Line Center? It's like, at some point, it's like, yeah, Miller could play the wing, Linholm could play the wing. It's really just about how you want to spend the money more so like, here are these rigid roles that they're going to be stuck in for 82 games. - Yeah, and I've always said this, and I think we make too much about lines. You mean, you minor hockey, the lines change within a game. But, you know, but if something's clicking, obviously you want to go with it for a long time. But you're right, you can move things around and with Linholm, with Pedersen, with Miller. Whenever Miller came here and Moore isn't wanger than a center, you've got some versatility there. Linholm played on the wing mostly in Carolina when Rutherford had him. So there's some versatility there, but that made a whole lot of sense because, you know, we're going on, all of us in the media going on and on. Well, you can't sign Linholm, Third Line Center, $7 million, well, what if you use the second line center and your plan is to go heavy with a lot of line throughout the course of the year with obviously a change here and there when things aren't going well. But that made a whole lot of sense. - Yeah, no, I'm with you on it. The other one is Dakota Joshua too. And I know Elliot mentioned he's a player that a lot of teams could be interested in. Size, snarl, some offensive ability. And an old Dollywell mentioned that connects haven't been anywhere near what he wants in terms of their discussion so far for a contract for him to stay. Do you feel like he's a guy that they could quietly get done here or do you think he's another guy that's slated for free agency? - Yeah, I think my feeling is, and do you remember what Patrick Alveen said at the end of season press conference? He said, our job is to find the next Dakota Joshua. And I don't know if that was a slip like something that he just let out or, or, you know, does he not really mean that? Does he actually feel that they have a good chance of signing Dakota Joshua? Maybe so, but I think this, that I think it's never easy to find somebody who's a special talent, especially somebody who blooms late like Dakota Joshua. But I think it's easier to find somebody like him than it is to find somebody like Zidorov. Even though Zidorov has bounced around. So maybe that's where the Canucks are coming, coming from when a statement is made, made like that. I think you can find a replacement for Joshua. And again, he's a special talent. But I just think Zidorov is much more of an X factor than Joshua. It's just such a rare talent. You know, maybe that's their focus versus Joshua. - And Donnie, before we let you go, the BC Lions kicked off their season in Toronto against the Argonauts, unfortunately, with the loss, but it was a pretty contentious game. I mean, I thought at halftime, the Lions were in full control. - Mid-second, I thought this game was over. - Yeah, I thought the Lions had it. And then, you know, the second half happened, that offense couldn't get going. Vernon Adams was under a lot of pressure this entire game. Like, what was your takeaway? There were some good, there were some bad, I know it's early in the CFL season and things can change quickly. But what was your overall takeaway from the first game of the season? - Well, it's hard with an overall takeaway to not start first and foremost with the offensive line. And those guys up front would tell you the same thing. Because it wasn't just about Vernon. Vernon Adams got sacked six times. He was pressured, hurried several times by a very good Toronto offensive line. But also, they're running game. So, when your quarterback is under pressure, all the time, he's getting sacked six times. One way to take some of the pressure off him is to have an effective running game. And William Standback only had 35 yards. And I know it's his first game as a lion. Maybe there's somewhat of a learning curve there. I know he's a veteran. But when it comes to joining a new organization, so there was nothing from a protection point of view, very little from a protection point of view for Vernon Adams. And very little from a opening of the holes and blocking point of view for William Standback. So, that's a big area of concern. And something I'm sure Rick Gamble is, I don't have to tell him, is more than aware of. So, that was pretty surprising. The other thing with the Lions, you know, they're going in this year. I mean, I don't know if you guys have seen some of the panels, or CFL panels, but everyone's picking the Lions that do very well this year. People are picking Vernon Adams as a most outstanding player candidate. So, a lot of expectations. And maybe that was part of it. Maybe it got to the weekend. I mean, you got the game, there's a lot of nerves, maybe the organization, that big game on Saturday, at home with 50 sensors. Dollyball calls them 50 cents. The great cup is a lot there. So, I think part of it is to learn how to relax. But, obviously, they got to stiffen up along the offensive line. - No, absolutely. And the thing about the CFL season is such a marathon, man. It's a long season. Things can change quickly. So, you got to be in for the ride. But yeah, I can understand. Expectation is a lot higher this year. Donnie, great of us always, man. Appreciate your time. Can't wait to chat with you next week. And hopefully, we have some real Canucks news again. - Yeah, I love it, guys. Lots of fun. And I'm with you. We need some connect news. - For sure. Thanks, Donnie. - Thanks, guys. - That's Don Taylor on sports in 650. Brought to you by Bissant Motors, powering the playoff drive home of over 400 pre-owned vehicles. And where the players go, that's Don Taylor. And the CFL season is, I'm glad that it's kicked off. It's just, it gives us something to really watch throughout the course of the season. And yeah, the big home of home opener is coming next week, 50 cents, I'm excited for it. But it's going to be one of those years, man. I haven't, I will probably end up there. I don't have, I don't technically have it right now. - Some one you know is about tickets. And they're like, "Sack, come on." - I'll end up there, but I don't have tickets myself yet. But yeah, but it's one of those things. This is something the Canucks are going to be facing with next season. You go from being the hunter to the hunted. This year, a lot of expectations on the BC line. It's a completely different animal of how to approach your season. But again, it's the first game of this campaign. 18 games, it's a long, long season before we get to the playoffs. - Encouraging signs, certainly from yesterday, but also, yeah, as Donnie illuminated, there's, you know, some holes. - Yeah, it's kind of, you know, sure. - I think there's a lot of things I looked at yesterday. I was like, "Oh, that's pretty interesting." - Yeah. - And so I'm excited to see how the season progresses. - No, I'm with you on that. Now, before we hit the break, and we have Shane Malloy joining us, hockey prospects radio in a little bit. But before we get to that, it's time to get an update on how Dan Richel is doing on the golf team. - Hey, nice work on the voice change. That is, that is Augusta Sunday right there. Wait, we have birds now. - There's bird sounds. There's bird sounds. - They're, they're chicken. - There's chicken. - This is an ostrich. - Ostrich and chickens? - Yeah, you could turn it up a bit. That's a, this is a hawk. - It's days like this that make me happy to be a bird. - What? - This is also a bird. - And a big, yes, a one tall fellow. I'm coming in fellas that are fluffy, that are yellow. - What, what? - Yes, my initiative. - It's paper. - It's paper. It's paper. I don't know, dude. Do you want it, you want it? - Yeah. - Sound effects. I found sound effects. - Yeah, that's a little over the top. - I don't know what to tell. - That's a little, yeah. - All right, what, what? Let's reach this, shoot it right now. - Anywhere. - Is this like Jurassic Park? - No, did that bird get hit by Richel's T-shot? So we have no update on reach. - No update. - We have no update, but here are his next few holes. So hole six, 360 yard, part four. - All right. - And then hole seven, part three, some water on the right, so I got to watch out for that. - Oh, okay. - And then hole eight, 330 yard, part four, but a bit of a dog leg left, so he's got to deal with that. - Does reach have a slice or a natural draw that he's got a hook? So he doesn't want to, like the next few holes don't line up well. - Ooh, okay, all right. - So we could see some doubles here coming up. As someone very astutely tweeted at me, the way we should maybe be saying this is, Richel ate over, he shot a garland. So we can use the jersey number as his-- - A garland. - Is he going to shoot a zadora off tonight? Is it the highest number on the team, right? - You would be pumped to shoot a zadora. - If he shot a zadora, believe me, if I shot a zadora, I'll be the best round of my two years. - He's maybe looking for a zadora plus a tuberov. - All right, that's how he's teeing off. That's so bad. All right, keep your thoughts coming into our dumb bar lumber tax them box. We'll keep you updated on what Dan Richel is doing. And Shane Malloy is next on Canucks Central. - Hey, it's Mike Alford and Jason Bruff. Join us for Alford and Bruff in the morning, weekdays from six to nine a.m. on Sportsnet 650. - Or on demand anytime through your favorite podcast app. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - Hour two of Canucks Central. Satya Rashaw, with Bickness, are in for Dan Richel, who's on a charity golf tournament. And we'll keep you updated on how Rich is doing on the links as the show goes on. But it's time to talk to our good friend, Shane Malloy, host of Hockey Prospect Radio on SiriusXM, the man who knows it all when it comes to the art of scouting, a great book as well, that you can read that he wrote on the business. And Shane, it's that time of year where you know, you've, you guys have done all your work, right? Like the work's been done, the profiles have been written. It's about sitting down in a war room and debating really, who's gonna be on top of our list? And what are we truly doing here at the draft? But this has to be one of the best times of the year for scouts. - Well, it's the best time and the busiest time. So, scouts for initial teams are going down through their meetings and, you know, building their lists. Most initial teams are in the 80 to 90 player lists. They really generally don't go beyond that. So when you see publicly lists getting, you know, into the 125s or beyond, that's just for more, I guess, for fans to like kind of ruminate over a bunch of different players. But it's, it really doesn't get that big in that respect. And it's difficult to get a great read on any more than 90 players. And honestly, I struggle when I get past, when I get to past 80, 85 at that point. I've just finding players that would legitimately even play a cup of coffee at the NHL level. Because historically, on average, you look past the salary capper, you're looking at 58 players on average, will play 200 games. That's it. It doesn't, you know, it kind of shocks people. When you look at, you know, over 210 players are drafted, only 58 of them will go on to have, you know, a respectable long-term career. So it really makes it difficult for the scouting staff to find players that can play in the NHL. And just to clarify, right? Like a team's lowering their list down to 80, 90 players. Not that they don't have information on 200 plus. It's that what's right for them for this particular draft. They're only curating it down to 80 to 90. - Yes, because as you spread it out, it actually, it'll spread out over the seven rounds. - Yeah. - From that standpoint. So it's really, you know, you find out, like this year, for example, in my list, I only have 60 players who I think will play 200 games. And then I get into, you know, a grouping that is what I think what I'd be called call-ups. And that would run, you know, I'd say, what if I'm looking at, I list another 13 players, 14 players. And then there's another 11 players, 12 players, who I think will be a cup of coffee players, which will be under 100 games. And then that's it. I mean, I'm really pushing my limit. And there's a couple of players that probably did not, well, I know I did not get enough views on that I felt comfortable putting my list. But I know who will be drafted and have a chance to play, you know, over 150 games. But if you haven't seen them enough, it's very, very difficult, I think, to just throw them on a list and hope for the best. - Yeah, absolutely. And I think it's one of those things too, that at this time of year, scouts are super excited, especially when the team has a lot of draft picks and they can get a first round or a second round or perhaps have some more picks in the middle of the draft, but then you look at where the Canucks find themselves this year after a successful season, mind you, get to the second round, finally make the playoffs, again, win a division. A very good step forward for the organization that's been really struggling in this past decade, but it comes at a cost, no first round pick, no second round pick this year as well. And how tough is that for a scouting team you think that's like gone through their list or sitting there going through it? And, you know, you realize you're not gonna be picking until the third round or later potentially. Well, it's difficult in terms of trying to, it depends on your organizational philosophy, so they could go, you know, multiple ways, they could go, let's swing for the fences and like a high reward, high risk player, or you could just pick for the floor and just try to find a player that is gonna play your games. And maybe they play in the third line, maybe they play in the fourth line, but that's, you know, that's the choice of what the organization is. And I personally find it really difficult to walk out of a draft with a goose egg, like you get no players out of a draft. It's really hard in your organization. Even if you get a third line player, and I know sometimes you'll hear people scoff, oh, he's only a third line player. He's a third line player in the best league of the world. That has tremendous value. So they're not replacement players. So from that standpoint, when you're looking at it from a connects perspective, it gives them a focus of just trying to find somebody in a third round. So if they get one player out of this draft class, that's a success, because on average, you're looking at between seven or eight players out of the third round that'll play more than 200 games. That's it. So that's not a really high probability for the connects. But their focus is entirely on that aspect. So they may increase those odds because they're so hyper-focused in that area compared to other teams who have multiple ticks and multiple rounds, and they're focusing on a much larger group. - Actually, Shane, I'm really curious, just as a side piece here of this is, as we say, it's like, oh, it's the best time of the year for scouts, 'cause it comes to the draft, and you get to see the culmination of reports and everything. For a group of people that love the game and do such arduous work to go all these ranks, I imagine there's such patch into go watch a guy. Is this the best time of the year? 'Cause it almost becomes like you guys are like us in media where it's like, have these big opinions. Like, no, the list has to go this way, it has to go this way, and that gaping for your guy, that fighting for your guy. Is this the most fun time for scouts? - Oh, 100%. Like, if this is the time you get geared up, you work all this time to be able to let all of that out. And you know, you really discuss your opinion, and then you're interested in hearing other people's thoughts. And then, you know, did I miss something? Like, what would you see from your perspective? So from a NHL team standpoint, it's very much a collaborative process. For me, it's not. Now, I have one, a couple of people, two or three people that I get help with on goalies. I'm not a goalies scout. Goalies are voodoo. So for me, I was a defenseman. I just got in the way in block shots, and I was mostly in nuisance for my goalie more than anything. But I think for that aspect, that's really super fun. And for me, you know, I only talk to a couple of people when it comes to my list. And I don't ask them to look at my overall list. What I look for is say, am I too hard on players? Like, is there two, one or two or three players that I'm just too hard on? 'Cause I want to be able to get that extra opinion from that standpoint, because there has been times in the past where I've been too hard on a player, and it's come back and bit me in the rear end. So I try to sort of mitigate my own biases in that respect. And, you know, in my conversations, yeah, there was a couple of players that I was too hard on, and there was a couple of players that I didn't get enough views that I know were gonna get drafted. Probably we'll draft them in the first three rounds. And I'm not gonna have them on my list because I just didn't have the views, and I just didn't feel comfortable, even though when I see their profile, I'm going, that kid's gonna get drafted. - And what's interesting to me, and I think we've discussed both this with you as well on our show, and it's something that took me years to figure out that, just the way you describe it there, that like, tiering is more important than the actual ranking. And I think fans get caught on me like, is he number seven? Well, it's not that he's number seven on the draft board, it's what is his capability and what tier does he fit in? - No, that's actually one of the biggest things. So I built a system for myself that so I input information all year long, so I don't make lists. I used to make lists in the beginning of the year, and then around Christmas and after Christmas, and I have like four lists. And what the problem became for me is that human beings love to be right. We love to be right. So then we don't like to be pushed off our own position. So what I found was that I got caught, I caught many times where I did want to move up off a position when I really should have. So I stopped producing lists like internally and externally until the very end, 'cause I wanted to collect just data collection until I was forced to produce a list. And these sure, it's a little bit earlier than normal just because of how the stand up finals, you know, came in the schedule we went. So we had to push out our four draft preview shows and we did four shows specifically on player profiles. So that was 32 players for that. And we pushed it out early. So my list came out early. And so we'll see how that sort of plays out, but it's very much in terms of tiered. So the system I built, what it does for me is it spits out a list of tiers. And then within that tier, I can manipulate new players around, but I can't move them out of that tier group, right? And that's what, if you look at my list, I have it on hockey prospect radio.com. And I pumped it on Twitter a little bit too, but on my website, it explains how I tier and my value system. So it sort of makes it much more understandable. But that's the biggest challenge is the tiers. And I had a huge group from basically 21 down to 43. Where you can make an argument that some of that, a lot of those three tiers inside of those B plus areas were interchangeable. And it really came down to preferences. So I built a preferences of what I look for in terms of plain style, position, attributes, and that weighs really heavily into that. And then it spits it out. And then inside of that, I can move that around. And so it was actually funny. Jason Bucula came on my show, we do this every year. And he looks at, and we sort of debate each other's list, but his wasn't out. So he just ripped apart mine a little bit. I mean, he was great about it. And he goes, I really understand what you value by your list. It's really clear and obvious. So I'm a preference defenseman. I preference big forwards on the wing that can play north south and drive the net and play greasy playoff style hockey. I prefer centerman that play a two-way game and that have some skating ability. So it's pretty obvious in my list. And that may not be to everyone's preference, but I stick to it. And how I gauge it is not where players are picked in the draft. To me, I really don't care. To me, it's kind of irrelevant. But I looked at five years or seven years from now. And I look at how many players played more than 200 games. And see, the number is 60. Well, how many of my guys were in my top 60 were in that top 60? And that where I gauge myself is I tried to ensure that I get as many players that will play more than 200 games in NHL comparative to what history tells. And as far as this year's draft goal, it was really fascinating one because it clearly doesn't have as much star power as the last couple of drafts have had. Now obviously, Macklin-Sillibrini is an incredible prospect, but he may not quite be at the corner of a dart level. The question that I have is how much quality is there atop the draft beyond Macklin-Sillibrini this year? I think it's actually good. I think that the quantity will be slightly above average. And I think that the quality will be good. And the reason I say that is because, actually, it's funny. I was laughing with Chris Peters. And they were kind of like, "Oh, I don't know. I'm kind of waiting for next year. Let's start scouting next year's draft." And I said, "I love this draft." And he sort of looked at me, like, you know, raised eyebrow. And I said, "Look, this is my kind of draft. There's lots of defensemen. And I like those, you know, top 3D. There's lots of top 3D. There's lots of four and five defensemen. And there's a lot of big forwards. And there's a lot of two-way sentiment. And he's just like, of course, and he sort of like rolled his eyes at me, we sort of laughed because those are the kind of players that tend to perform well on the playoffs. So I'm really geared towards players that are playoff-stop players. There's players that are going to get you to the playoffs. And then there's going to be players that help you win. And I think sometimes we get mesmerized by the regular season and point production. And then we're like slapped in the face really hard by how the playoffs are really played and who really succeeds in the playoffs. So I take that as well as what do GMs covet at the trade deadline and then what GMs covet at free agency. And I take those playing styles and those attributes and apply it back to my draft list. So my priorities are a little bit different. So there are some highly skilled, really sexy kind of players have a lot of flash, but not as much substance. They don't play really a great two-way game. So they're a little bit more one-dimensional. And although those players are on my list, they're pushed farther down because there's more risk to that. And I tend to be a little bit more conservative when it comes to what I value in my draft list. So what's interesting about that chain is then, because the years pass by and the sport takes evolution. As much as the draft is always like here's the next player pool, it's also about what's filling needs right now in the league. And for you, you really like the regular commentary. Oh, this draft outside of 20 changes a little bit. But for you, this might be filling needs that are necessary in the league. No, and I agree that it changes after 20, because 20 of my kind of line that in the sand were in terms of A minus to B plus players. But for me, there's a high level of B plus players. Those guys that are number four, number five, defenseman that are really valuable and a lot of really valuable third-line players, but also tweeners. The guys who can jump between that second and third line that provide, you know, some scoring depth when it's necessary, some scoring in the regular season when they can move up because of injury. And if we look at the, at the teams that have a lot of success in the playoffs, they're littered with players like this. They're littered with them. Like how many times have we seen at the trade deadline? Some defenseman who the analytics crowd hates, and I use analytics every day. So it's, I use it as a tool. It's very valuable. But they hate this player, but he goes for a late first non-pick. And then he's such a valuable asset over those couple of years in the playoffs because it's big boy hockey. Like you're going to get smacked in the mouth and you're going to have to play inside the dots. And if you can't do that, you're going to have a hard time succeeding. I think like the Florida Panthers are an example. Biggest Golden Knights are an example. So is St. Louis when they won one Tampa Bay when they won, you know, look at their defense core. Look at their wingers and it's, it's carbon coffee one after another. And sometimes I don't think we learn our lessons very well in hockey. We kind of like, we love to follow these trends or what, what the narrative is. And then, you know, we sort of missed the truth. And the truth is playoff hockey really hasn't changed. It really hasn't. Now, I think the players have gotten more skilled and quicker and are in much better shape. But at the end of the day, if you can't play within the dots, you're in trouble in the playoffs. Whether you're a defenseman or, you know, whether you're a forward. And I know there's a level fair where these highly skilled small defense men, but. Look at the NHL. How many sub six foot defense men are really effective in play and how many sub six defense men have been drafted in the first round in the last. No, six years, seven years and haven't panned out. And I'm not against small D man, because, you know, I love Jared Spurgeon, but. At the end of the day, if they're going to be sub six, they better be special. Yeah. And I don't mean special offensively. They really need to be special defensively to be able to hold at the NHL in the playoffs. So that's always a factor too as well. And I have one skilled defenseman up high that it's a huge boomer bust. He either is going to be great, or he's going to be a no show. And that could just completely blow up my list. Can you tell us who that player is? Zainperic. Oh, okay. So what is it about? Yeah. Well, offensively, he's, you know, brilliant in terms of being able to see the play and move the puck and transport the puck. And on the offensive blue line, he's a master at finding seems again. He doesn't have a big shot, but he can get the puck on that. And it's just, he's a, it's like a scene. I don't. He finds ways to make plays offensively defensively. He is below average. I'm not really convinced he's going to hold. And, you know, he doesn't like retrieval. He doesn't like hitting hits. He doesn't like boxing out. Like these are things he just doesn't seem to like to do. But when he had the puck on a stick, he's absolutely brilliant. And his analytics, analytics numbers are off the charts. But what happens when he plays against a JT Miller? You know what I mean? Like there was the concerns I have. So if he hits, it's a dinger. It's a homerun. Or he could end up being like Ryan Merkley, who San Jose took in the first round in the top 15. And he doesn't play. And that's not new. Like a lot of small defense when they're having problems. Nicholas Bogin was drafted late first on the Chicago. He didn't play, you know, um, Branstrom is having problems holding. Boquist is having problems holding as a defenseman. And those are the concerns that NHL teams have. Now, if you're going to draft a parrot. I think it's from a team that has multiple picks. So you can mitigate the risk across the board. I think that's most likely to happen. But I have them at 11 and I won't. Kid you. It makes me really nervous to have them there. It really does. But we'll see what happens in about five years and maybe he'll make me look great or, you know, maybe my, my concerns will, you know, manifest itself and we'll see what happens. I'm rooting for the kid though, because I want to see a great offensive player at the blue line. It's like blossom and turn into a player, but I have to look at it objectively as well. Just really quickly. There was some, some thought today that came out that maybe in the future, the NHL draft gets shrunk to just four rounds. Is this a good development or a bad development? No, I mean, honestly, I think that's actually realistic. Yeah. To be honest. Because if you look at the probabilities from the fifth round to the seventh round, they're so low. You're talking about single digit percentiles of getting the play 200 games. So for the NHL teams, I think, you know, from a budgetary standpoint, and then from an efficiency standpoint, if you don't have to go out and watch as many players, particularly before Christmas. And then you can just take guys off the off the list more immediately. I think it would just save people a lot of time and effort in that respect. In particular, like I mentioned, a lot of teams are in the 90 number anyway. So I just, I actually would be in favor of it as much as a draft Nick. I am as much as I love, you know, watching players get drafted. I look at it realistically, I'm like four rounds is probably good enough. Honestly, because you get through the players that'll play 200 games or more, you get through the guys who are call up guys consistently to, you know, 100 to 180 games. And then the cup of coffee guys that are under 100 games, you're pretty much into 90 players already. So, and then the other 30 odd players, you're just swinging for the fences and hoping for the best. Yeah, it's really fascinating. I'm curious to see if that actually does come to pass at some point here. Now, final one here before we let you go and call up in the caribou is texting this into our Dunbar number text inbox as well. Cap Friendly being bought by the Washington Capitals. I know that your studies, you're really up to date when it comes to how front offices work and structures and using data and how to acquire data. What's your takeaway seeing the Washington Capitals getting the bevy of data that Cap Friendly has? Well, it's, I mean, I love the guys at Cap Friendly, but it really is only just a database system with calculators. I mean, that is valuable to have in terms of just knowing what everybody's paid for each player. That's really helpful. So, I mean, and we have Puckpedia. So, Puckpedia is still there too. And I collect all the numbers as well. So, I have them in my database. I think for the fans in the media, it's really useful, but another site still exists. But for NHL teams, that's not the value. I mean, it's nice to know what everybody's paid for everybody. You know, NHL teams will track that regardless, but it doesn't calculate what you should pay a player. It doesn't put any value proposition of for a player. So, it just tells you what happened, but it doesn't tell you what you should do. And that's, you know, really the next stage is projecting salary at a reasonable rate based on what metrics. And that's the really challenging part. So, the fact that we're going to lose them, that's fine, because we have, you know, I think the public has Puckpedia and the media is Puckpedia and that's, that's going to work out fine. And good for the owners, because they're going to get paid for it in that respect. So, but I'm not sure. I'm going to talk to the guys and watch them. I'm not sure why they're paying for it, but, I mean, they could have just taken all the information anyway and just kept it to themselves. But, you know, because the rest is just simply calculators that are based on the CBA anyway. If you're in a CBA, you can just build those calculators. And I have. So, if I can do it, they certainly could do it. That's really interesting to take because the way it's been kind of, you know, blown up or the way it's been taken. It's like, oh, here's a really smart move, right? And it's like, well, wait, wait, wait, like what's actually going on? I don't know enough to understand, like, truly the value of it now, what's skeptical on how much value it truly did have. I really don't think it's that creative of value proposition. If that was the only game in town and that they pulled it away immediately so that nobody had a chance to really record the information. If you didn't have it on a database, then that would be different. But because PUC is there and that they announced they have another month before all the information is gone. It's not like somebody can't go and, you know, scrape the, scrape the data and scrape the information and build their own or just keep it privately. So, I'm not sure where the value proposition from that is. Like, I don't see where that is, from my perspective, for being like a business person and looking at it from where was the differentiation between the different organizations and how you can gain a competitive advantage, knowing what people paid, everybody's going to end up knowing that, but understanding how much you should pay a player. Now, that's the difference and how accurate you are based on what that player's value is. Now, that's something I would be interested in. Shane, listen, you're the best man, fantastic stuff as always. I mean, honestly, I can do another 30 minutes here chatting with you. That's always the case when we get you on. And we look forward to chatting with you a bit more as we get to the draft here in a few weeks and fascinating stuff as always, my friend. Appreciate it, gentlemen. Love coming on this show. Call me anytime. You got it. That is Shane Malloy. You can check him out Hockey Prospect Radio. It is available on SiriusXM, also on podcast. And you can check him out at Shane Malloy on Twitter as well. And I mean, Shane's always on top of these things. And I love the way he put it, because the thing I wondered about the cap friendly thing was like, what do they have? That's so special. I don't know. I'm just wondering, what do they have that's so special and essentially what Shane is saying? It's like data collection. And look, there's a difference between special of what's special to the public and what's special to help NHL teams. Exactly. Because it is special to us on the outside. But like he said, these calculators that they use are not that difficult for people who know to build them. So the way I think Elliot mentioned today, I heard it with Jeff Merrick as well, that they essentially decided to buy it instead of making it themselves. Which, like, hey, awesome. It's fine, right? It's the same type of deal. It's just, I think the level import, the move in and of itself has taken on publicly. I don't think is maybe as big as it's being made out to be. And I think that's essentially what Shane was saying there. Yeah. Is it buying them a competitive edge? Right. Which I'm skeptical on that. But is it a valuable resource for them to have? Certainly. But is it making them 1% better? Right. That's where I have some skepticism. But I think the bigger hurt to it is to the public for people that love the website. And there are other resources available. Is this something that the capital is getting an edge on? That's a part I'm kind of like skeptical on. Yeah. I'm with you on that. So we'll see ultimately what happens. And he's right. Puckpedia does exist when it comes to people that want to use public cap numbers. There are a few other options for you to check in as well. Or, hey, look, your spreadsheets exist to start knocking them down, writing them down. Bic has a daily cap tracker. I don't know. If you want to know about the contract that Pat Maroon signed when he was 26 years old, just put it into his spreadsheet yourself. Right. Some of us have already done that. All right. All right. Keep your thoughts coming into our Dunbar Lumber Taxman box. 656.50 will hit some of those on the other side. Plus we'll talk about Jason Krog, who's a new skills coach for the Vancouver Canucks. And what's next for the Canucks throughout their off season heading to the draft and free agency. Now, before we get out, let's get an update on what's going on with Dan Reachio. Dan Reachio. He's at the pit medals golf course today. That's why he's not on the show today. He's on the he's been trying to get on the luscious greens. Has that some trouble on the link so far today? Had a few double bogeys, a couple bogeys. No par so far. Any updates? No. So there hasn't been... He stopped updating? I don't know if he stopped updating or like... Is he on to us? The last update that came through was like three holes at once. Oh, okay. So I don't know if he's putting them all in at once or if there's like service issues out on the course. Sure. I think the move might be to call him directly. Okay. You know what? We have people texting that in. Oh, walk and talk? Yeah. Tyler said maybe Dan was listening to the show and that's why he hasn't done update so far. Maybe to call him for an in-course interview so far. That's an idea. That's an idea. You know what? Can we connect with Dan Reachio? We'll give it a go. I'm efforting. Okay. All right. More coming up next on Connect Central. Great. Back in on Connect Central. Satyar Shah with Vic Nazar. Dan Reachio. Playing some golf. Charity tournament. Over at Pitts Metals Golf Course. We'll endeavor to connect with him to get a rundown on how he's fairing on the link so far. Today, keep your thoughts coming in to our Dunbar Lumber tax and unboxed 65650. Now, we also have a giveaway today. We are giving away. Take it to a movie. Take it to a movie. It's inside out too. Did you watch the first one? Yes. Great, man. That's good. I mean, a very, very strong. I think on the cartoon movies, man, they're hilarious nowadays too. So we have the giveaway. But before you call in, not going to call in, you're going to text in 65650. And what you have to guess to get the tickets to see inside out too is guess what Dan Reachio shot through the front nine at the golf course today. We have dragged this out as much as the water bottle. We have to ask about hydration as well, but the water thing. Now, the golf thing. Oh, my goodness. But yeah. If you can guess correctly. Part 36. Part 36 through the front nine. What do you think you'll reach a shot? What do you think you'll reach a shot? The closest or the person who gets the right number gets a ticket to see inside out. Get that into Dunbar Lumber 65650. And without much further ado, we have Dan Reachio on the line. And Reachio, we won't hold you too long, but we heard you're out playing on the golf course. And we were creeping you today, man, on the app, looking at how you were fairing on the golf course. So how's your day been? Not good. So far, we're having a tough day on the course. Greens are firm. You know, it's planned like the BC women's open is going to be happening here next week. So tough day on the course. Hold on. I got to take a shot. This is great. He's winding up. This is great radio loosening up. Like do you think he has the phone to his ear right now? Oh, I heard it. He hit it. That sounded like a shank from from from our audio vantage point. Oh, no, that was a shot shot. That was a probably a little bit left. It left. So you hooked it or you pulled it. Pulled it. Okay. All right. I pulled it. It was definitely a pull. You know, it's funny, too. We were asking you to drive though. It's a short par four here and a decent drive on 11. We were the first kind of rough on the right and I had about a hundred yards and I pulled it left. I asked Josh, like what the scouting report on you is because apparently there's a hole with water on the right and he was like, he's got a bit of a natural pull. And literally as we brought you on, you pulled it. I definitely had the pull going there. Tough one. How's your hydration been today? You know, me and Rishi from Boyd, Auto Body and Glass are having a good time. We're a couple of, a couple of quads deep and you know, it's a really good event. Yeah. We're hoping it's here next week at Pit Meadows and it's going to be a great thing. Yeah. Just mix in a water or two as well. You know, I'm always mixing in water. I know you are. Hey, Rishi, listen, we won't keep you long. Great stuff today on the golf course and hopefully have a better back nine than a front nine. Are we getting him to announce the front nine score or we're, we're, you care, we gotta win it. Oh, yeah. We have a winner. We have a winner. So what did you shoot through the front nine, Rishi? I think it was 47. All right. That's not bad. That's not bad, actually. I died ahead of 47. Yeah. I'll say that much. We'll take it. All right, buddy. Thanks, man. Have a good one. I'll see you tomorrow. That is Dan Riccio from the Pit Meadows golf course. You know, 47. Like, that's big round. It's good. It's good. It's a big round for reach. For reach. I've seen it. I've seen it with the leading. They were the short jokes again. No, that's not. Oh, man. That's not what I would say. Oh, man. That's not what I was saying. Don't. Don't put that one on me. Don't put that evil on me. Derek from Surrey is the winner, by the way. I had a boy. Derek from Surrey. There you go. A few others came in with 47 a bit late, but good, good, good guesses. A lot of guesses come in. But yeah, you are the winner to see inside out two. We'll have more of these tickets coming up a bit later on throughout the week as well. I don't have to be paired with Regio golf scores. We may not be. We may have. Do you think we've exhausted the reach topics now? Oh, someone else at the stage needs to do something. I don't think so. Someone else has got to do something real fast. He's going to do something stupid next. You know, the old thing of like you do something embarrassing in the classroom and like everyone's like, oh, you're the guy that did this. It's like, we'll just wait a couple of days. Someone will do something. So who do you think is the clubhouse later to do something stupid next? I don't actually know because he would have said after the water bottle, it won't be Regio. But he didn't do anything. No, I know. You did. Yeah, that's fair. You should just be in reach right now. He's out there golfing. You know what? He's not a coward. He's not at work on a Monday. Come on, man. He's doing a Vacherity. It's all good. Listen, he's representing a charity. I'm all for it. I love it. All right. We have a lot of reaction on the text inbox 656 50. We had somebody text in a bit earlier saying spicy show today, guys. So okay, peeling back their curtain right before the show began, Bick and I were like having a heated debate about getting rid of the NHL draft in total. So when the show started, him and I were going at it pretty good. And then the show started. We started talking. Like the intro music is running. We were like, yeah, what are you talking about, moron? Chris on L.T.I.R. super spicy show today. Sat and Bick spitting some fire as Dan as ice cold and of course, well, we're just trying to warm him up, you know, but yeah, him and I were going out talking about some of the free agency stuff. You missed it. It's on the first segment of the show. The open, we talked about the latest on the vice, Lindholm, Dakota Joshua, and it's about Dakota Joshua. We got going, Drew from River District said, you guys sound pissy today. I wouldn't say so. It was just, you know, debating a spirited debate to start the show. That's all. That's all it was. Yeah. Look, it's people think it's like, oh man, like we got to be friendly all the time. It's like, no man. Sat's got his opinions. I got my opinions. Should we talk about the draft thing? Because I found it really interesting that like there's Shane, oh, I mean, the fourth, or you should have asked Shane about your stupid idea. No, it's, I don't think it is. Because it is. What is the stupid idea? It does not remove the process of going through scouting the players. Well, no, I mean, yeah, you're so, yeah, you're not saying get rid of scouting. What you were proposing was keep the salary cap or remove the NHL draft. Correct. And my take was it's going to create a bunch of bad imbalance in the league and you're not going to have the parody you want and I don't see any outcome. I think I disagree that it would create the imbalance because we're talking about right now. We've touched on this boat, though, the free agent class right now, right? There's $580 available, $180 million available, about $125 of that, at least, is going to go to restricted free agents. So you're going to go into this space, like going into the draft where there's only, you know, $450 million available. So you're also proposing that there is no salary cap on what players can earn coming into the league either. Just unrestricted free agency for these guys. So here's the thing, like, all the money is going to get bought up. Like the league is going to be completely packed out because every single young player coming in is getting paid. So find the right dollar figure to like give the players that are coming into the league. But top 10 guys are all going to get paid a bunch of millions. And if you're giving the long term deal, you said you were worried about the competitive balance. Yeah. They're not all going to go to the same team. Yeah. But you cap out the league to number one. I think that's the other problem. And I do think that teams, like you see it in European soccer where the best players go to the best academies, it would change the spending environment. But that's also like the best academies. We're also talking about like 12 year olds and 13 year olds at that level. We're not talking about like players that are on the verge of being pro. That's a six year process for an academy player in Europe to get to the first team level. So you're saying you can only sign guys when they're 18. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not talking. But even so, like you see like as soon as a guy, like for instance, I give an example, like Omari Hutchinson, he was with Arsenal for instance, he was 18, he left, his contract ran out. He signed with Chelsea. They signed him as a free. Now they're going to sell them two years in for like 20 million. But like what he ended up doing was going to like the best academy. I don't think the soccer comparable is is apt because it's your your groom through years. I mean, every year, the 18 year olds, right? The group that comes in the the O8s this year, O8s, O6s that come in this year. They are they are put into the free agent class. Yeah. And then next year, it's it's the next way, it's the next way, the next way, and even the imbalance part, like I think what it does is it will cap out your league in a hurry. It's going to get you have to pay the free agent so much that all the veteran guys get kept get run out every year. As you'll know, it's smart, like even if you're the best scout, you make 10 first round picks and get to pay each guy, each one of those guys at least 5 million plus, you're going to fail. But you wouldn't have the money to do that. But I'm saying like you're still going to sign guys, you're going to fail on a bunch of them and your in your miss rate on prospects is going to be infinitely higher on any other type of player. But there's miss rates across the the higher rate, but even for like vets, there's there's miss rates right now. No, for sure, but the miss rates on 18 year olds, like going to be massive. Do you think the Washington Capitals would like to do over on the Nick Backstrom contract that they gave out because he's like barely that's nine million dollars? Yeah, but it's L.T.I.R. at least if he doesn't play. That's the benefit. You'd rather spend the money on L.T.I.R. than not a guy that's coming into the league. Well, here's the thing, if the guy that's coming into the league isn't even good enough to be in a NHL, that's even worse because then you're it's all your cap like his name and hurt for it to come off your cap. Like I think at least if you get injured player, you you have the L.T.I.R. benefit. You have a bad contract. You can't get out from. You have to buy it out. Is there a way to do it where, okay, like I'm not saying the 18 year old has to play right away, but at some point you have to integrate that contract into your cap. Is there a way to do it that way to say like, hey, go, go still go do your major junior thing or you come. Well, then you do the slide contract. If you slide, you slide a guy, you slide a year or two or whatever, but I still go to college. Every team probably have a reserve list of prospects that would have needed to they become available, but I just don't think like the NHL's, the NHL's so fixated on having parity that those types of things will not will create a lot of imbalances. I think they, I think the them being able to go back to junior and stuff would make it worse if you can slide it, you know, because then teams would just be signing as many guys as possible because they know that like if they don't hit, they'll never have to pay. Well, no, you would have to eventually have to pay them. No, like you have to get to a point like the way the act is proposing it is that they're unrestricted free agents like the money's going to be guaranteed. The actual money would have to be paid out, of course, you can't just say like, I'm not going to play. I'm going to get 70 million contract. Yeah. And at that stage, like there can be some owners that are like, well, I'm not giving up $56 million to a guy that might not play for me. So and I think that regulates the spending of it. Yeah. But I think, you know, this person texting and saying it's going to put teams into cap hell. It will inevitably happen. It's already in cap hell. Well, I mean, again, what's worse is it worse having guys that are playing for you underachieving or guys that can't even play for you and you're, they're getting paid. Like there's a, there's a big difference between having overpaid guys playing for you every day and guys that can't even pay play for you. And you're going to have a number of players that won't even play for you, right? Or you're forced them into the lineup because you're paying them like six or seven million. So that also brings your product down because you're forcing a bad player into a situation because you've already committed a lot of money to them. Again, we were debating this before the show and yelling at each other. It's very theoretical. Yes. I don't know if it's, if, if you're right or I'm right, but it was very theoretical and we were deeply discussing it. Yes, we were. And that's why the show may have started off a little spicy. Well, that's, what do you care is, I'm just reading text messages. That's all I'm saying. Him and I were fine. And we weren't even like, you know, I'm going to talk about it. And just when he playing yogurt all day, man, well, reach likes playing chips, have some spice every once in a while. Here we go. Drag and reach again. All right. Before we get out though, the Connects did hire a new skills coach because Yogi was promoted to being the assistant coach now with Mike, you'll leave in the organization. So the team did spend some money on another coach and it's Jason Krog, former NHLer, but spent most of his career playing in the AHL also went overseas and played in Europe as well for a spell, a super talented player. He was quick, great hands, a huge amount of raw skill. He just couldn't really cut it at the national hockey level, really high level. Now he had a good playoff run with Anaheim in '03, played 23 games, didn't score a bunch, but was part of it or whatever. So yeah, he played like a hundred NHL games or something, but it never really, you know, stuck for him. But I can see the appeal because of the stuff we've heard about him, like he's run practices before like classic quad eight player, classic quad eight player who had to work at it a lot, right? And he understands the developmental systems of how guys have to grind and get through. And have heard that he's been working with connects players throughout the past couple of years and the past as well. So it's not a foreign player that's coming in, foreign person coming into this. And most importantly, I know you kind of mentioned this earlier in the show, it's an indication that they're not curtailing all their spending of their coaching staff. The big worry after the announcement of you, obviously Akoski getting the promotion there was, "Wow, how come they're not still investing in the coaching staff to the level that they did?" And they were overstaffed even last season because they had a robust group. And Sergei Ganchar part time, he's there on road trips and everything like that. Well, it's not as if they announced all the coaching staff at once. So we're sitting here in early June, they had time to add to the group and clearly today that they've now replaced Yogi as the skills component of their coaching staff. Yeah, so that's the newest addition to the staff. So it looks like the staff has been rounded out now. And so far our understanding is Ganchar will remain on a bit of a part time. He'll be there as much as he can. So they have Adam Foote, they have Yogi, and obviously Ian Clark. And now you add a new skills coach to the fold as well. So they've rounded out their coaching staff, the Vancouver Canucks have. Now the big question is, what are the big moves that are going to happen ahead of the season? And that's going to be what's next. And the other thing I wanted to hit quickly, because coming up next, it is the Stanley Cup final game two. What do you think of game one? Big. The way Edmondson played fairly well for the first two periods and then I can't be able to get into it. I kind of think it's overstated like how great Edmondton was. Is it because they had some good sequences? Yeah. I thought Florida played decently well, and obviously Babrovsky takes a lion's share of the credit. But for me, if I was Florida, I would say I'd be pretty pleased. Now, look, I've picked the intended every round, but I picked Panthers in six or seven and I feel like I didn't have to get dissuaded off of that. Yeah, we'll see what happens here tonight. But I actually think Edmondson, the one thing about their overall play, like they've shown a lot of resilience in the playoffs so far too, especially what happened against Vancouver to come back and win that series. But I think their overall team game's been very strong and I don't think they gave Florida too much either. So I think they should be feeling pretty good about how they played. I feel like they're going to even the series tonight. I think it'll be one-one hitting into Edmondton. It'll be interesting to watch. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see how it goes. All right. That's the end of the show. So what are you up to tomorrow? People show Yannick. Yannick. Tuesday's. Two days. Three to four. I'll ask him if he thinks that should be a draft. Yeah, he should. I mean, he was taken in a round that doesn't exist anymore. It was a ninth round. Yeah. So yeah, talk to him about what he feels like, you know, because he was drafted, but he wouldn't have been drafted if there wasn't an eighth or a ninth round. But he could have signed anywhere. Could have. Ended up in Vancouver still. Yeah. Not bad. Not a bad spot. All right. That's it for us today. He's Bigness R. I'm Satyar Shah. Special thanks to Josh Elliott-Wolf. He's been participating on our text inbox. Congratulations to our winner for getting the insight out to tickets and we'll have more to give out later in the week as well. So stay tuned here on Canucks Central. Next, you have game two of the Stanley Cup final, Edmonton in Florida against the Panthers. Panthers with one nothing series lead. That's next on Sportsnet 650.
