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Michael Proctor's "Unprofessional" Text Messages about Karen Read | 6.10.24 - The Howie Carr Show Hour 1
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Swabs, hacks and moonbaits beware. It's... Howie Car. Just changed my mind on the poll question, Taylor. Let's go with, uh, should Trooper Proctor be fired? From the state police. For the comments that he made. I'm going to vote yes. I'm going to change it around. This is, uh, this is too much what's going on. This is the, uh, this is the Karen Reed trial at all. It's all coming out now. The, uh, the, you know, this is the murder trial that's going on in Dedham, the woman who's charged with, uh, supposedly murdering her Boston police officer boyfriend when they were drunk and outside of a home of all these Boston cops. And federal agents can't, they were all drunk. And, uh, and she supposedly ran him over. But now today they've had another, another Canton knucklehead. A guy by the name of Michael Chip Proctor, the state police, and they, uh, we've known about this. That, uh, they have his text messages. And, uh, back and forth with his, uh, his sister and, and, and his, and his knucklehead pals from Canton High School. And, uh, he's just talking. He's just saying these horrible, horrible things. He's the, he's the lead investigator. And he's obviously just a total moron. They have him so, they have him soliciting a bribe for his wife. It's just a, and he just says, well, I never got anything. I never got anything. That makes it okay. You were, you said, send it to my wife. That'll look better. You know, don't send me the bribe. Send it to my wife. And then the terrible things that he, uh, he says about her. And we haven't even gotten to the one where he says he's looking for nudes on his, uh, on her cell phone. But we're going to, we're going to get to this. And this is on, this is just on the, uh, direct examination. 71 trooper, trooper proctor, proctor trooper is on administrative leave by 5 p.m. It's Massachusetts. So with pay, of course. Yeah. I, I, it's, of course it's with pay, but he's got it. He's got to go. He's got to go. Let's just play the first one. I'm just going to, uh, this is what he thinks. You know, and again, he, he says this is really unprofessional, what he said, but it had no impact on the investigation. Like, like, for instance, soliciting the bribe. He says, I did, they asked me if I wanted a bribe. And so then when they asked me if I wanted a bribe, and this is all in text with his sister, his, he's using his sister as his bag man for the bribe. And he says, well, she asked me about it. I didn't, I didn't ask for the bribe. And, and then, but of course he did say, uh, you, if you're giving me something, you better make sure it goes to the bride. These are messages from February 1st, 2022. Is that correct? Correct. And then one of the top starts about February 1st, 5.57 p.m. Is that correct? Yes. And again, if you could read through as far as who's speaking and what the content of those messages are. Uh, I texted my sister, what's up? Uh, she responded nothing. I just saw Julie and she said, and when this is all over, she wants to get you a thank you gift. And I respond, get Elizabeth one. Uh, Elizabeth, my wife, uh, became my sister responds because I guess her and Chris were friends with John, and she's so proud of you. She's so proud of you. She's so proud of you. Okay. We have more. You want the back job? Yeah. Oh, is that all you got? Oh, that, that, okay. We'll get some more for that one because it goes on and on. So remember Nick, Nicky Pockets, Meverulus, he used to, when he was soliciting a brought, you would call it a bottle of wine. Proctor calls, all these years later, Proctor calls it a thank you gift. It's still the same. No matter how you slice it, it's still baloney. It's still graft. Yeah. So let's listen to, uh, yeah, let's listen to the Fall River accent. Cut 16. Yep. So these came from me from all accounts. He didn't do anything wrong. She's a whack job. So don't spell it. You have to. So these are your words, Trooper Proctor. Yes, Your Honor. Go ahead and say them. Yeah, she's a baby. We have Fall River accent though. Though. No, ask. She's a babe with Fall River accent. It would have been funny if Jackson objected to the no-as comment objection. I've seen it. Are you offended with the reference to the Fall River accent? Why should I be? Well, not from there. You live in the area though. No, no. I live in the Greater New Bedford area, not the Greater Fall River area. You live in Bristol County. Barely. Oh, excuse me. Excuse me. Almost a Plymouth County man. So, so anyway, he's, he's saying all these tears. So he also says that he's, he can't wait for the day when he locks her up. He cannot wait for the day when he locks her up. I guess they're just having another sidebar conference, the another sidebar conference. I think Lally is trying to, Lally is the, the, the human rain delay as he's called sometimes on social media or the, the human dial tone. He's the prosecutor and he tries to slow everything down. But today he realized that he's got all these, these texts. These texts were, you know, the, the, the state, the state police never found these things because they're, they're just the most corrupt institution available. The state police in this case proctor and all these text messages, they were busted by the FBI. How bad do you have to be to be busted by the FBI? I mean, so the, in this case, the FBI, the most corrupt police law enforcement agency in the country busted the mass state police, the second most corrupt agency. Didn't want them showing them up. I got to remember that if I ever get caught taking a bribe, everybody out there, remember that. If you, if you ever get caught taking a bribe, just say it was a thank you gift. That's, that's what, that's what he said. Okay, so let's play. This, this is a trooper proctor, proctor trooper trying to explain away all, all of these solicitations of, of thank you gift. And calling the, calling the defendant a, the, the c word and, and saying that he can't wait to lock her up. Cut 18. As far as attitudes expressed within these text messages and other text messages. What have any impact did that have as far as your investigation was concerned regarding these. He's juvenile unprofessional comments have zero impact on the facts and the evidence and the integrity of this investigation. They said these are unprofessional comments, but they absolutely do not detract from the integrity investigation or the facts and evidence of it. You know, when we talked to turtle boy, the one thing I want to hear from him, because I think he's in the courtroom. I want to say he may be in the courtroom. I'm not sure if he is or not, because he, he's, you know, he was supposedly intimidated. This, this skin had corrupt thug of an ignorant state cop. Okay, listen, listen to this one. Listen to this one. And what is the date and time of that message and what does it say who's speaking. This is me speaking on June 9, 2022 at 4.56 p.m. I text my wife waiting to lock this work job up. And what are you referring to when that text. Referring to the arrest after Miss Reed was indicted by the grand jury. And again, as far as the terminology that you use in that text message to your wife. Why is it. Again, unprofessional messages. I should not have said. Waiting to lock this whack job up 9, 9, 7, 8. So did he use the C word on Karen? Yes, he did. Yes, he did. You want it? You want some more stuff? This is, this is really bad stuff. We had a debate on whether or not we should put this in. I'm not even going to try to explain it. I'm just going to let you, if you want to, you can figure it out what it means. This is again, he's texting to his fellow semi literate. Idiot Hillbilly. High school classmates here. Cut 17. Okay, number ending in 4, 1, 4, 6. Question is that check a smoke. Again, 4, 1, 4, 6. Question mark. I respond E. H. I respond again, not bad as chief would say. I also respond with she's got a leaky, no, not leaks, poo. And what if anything is that in reference? Again, to misread some medical conditions there. Again, unprofessional comments. I should not have made. And I'm not proud of. He's not proud of his comments. That should have been a full question. Which comment was worse? Calling her the C word or making fun of her medical condition? Or no ass. Or no ass, yes. Why don't we make that the poll? Okay. Let's do it again. There's other stuff. Keep saying like, oh, it's unprofessional. It's unprofessional. It doesn't meet the standards of the profession. How much is the standards of being a decent human being? Hasn't anything new to your profession? These are just filthy comments made by a low life. Who makes these? Who thinks? Grace is editorializing. I'm working on the poll question. Soliciting, telling, telling his sis, telling the Macalberts to send the bribe to his wife. How about that one? That has no shot in this. You know, but we need more. He said he talked about her poop. That poop is trumping all of those. You think so? Okay. I make a friendly wager with you, sir. I don't know. I don't know. I feel like, you know, I'm just watching it unfold. It's going to take an hour, so to figure it out, it's just, you know, it's... So now, okay, if you could read what you wrote on, I'm just reading the... Oh. Oh, uh-oh. Oh, he said it again, Grace. He just said it again about her medical condition. What a guy. What a nice fella. Eight, four, four, five hundred, forty-two, forty-two, eight. The state police must be very, very proud of themselves. And how about the fact that after these documents were turned over, these text messages were turned over by the FBI to the state police and the Norfolk district attorney. This guy was allowed to be the lead investigator on another murder investigation. Since the texts were turned over by the G-Men. What is this all? What's going to happen? He's the lead investigator on this guy, Brian Walsh, who killed his wife and disposed of her body. What's going to happen with that investigation now? Eight, four, four, five hundred, forty-two, forty-two, eight, four, four, five hundred, forty-two, forty-two, we're going to take your calls. We'll be taking a lot of calls on this all day, I think. I know, I know, I know. Experience the ultimate savings event with MyPillow's $25 Extravaganza. For a limited time, dive into incredible deals like a two-pack multi-use MyPillow, stylish sandals for both men and women or a luxurious six-pack towel set, all available for an astonishing $25 each. 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He's aged about 10 years in the last hour and a half. 844-542-42. When are we going to hear from the proffer person? 978 says, that was Brian Higgins. He had a proffer from the feds, but he turned it down. He thought he could beat the rap. I don't think he's going to be able to. I think that was a very, very poor decision on this part, not to take the proffer. Sign the proffer. 844-542-42. Today's poll question is brought to you by Rizzo Insurance. When was the last time you had someone audit your insurance to see if you're getting the most coverage for your money? Contact Dan or Paul Rizzo at RizzoInsurance.com. They have helped me and my staff and they can help you save money too. Get the Rizzo Insurance Audit at no charge, no obligation. RizzoInsurance.com. RizzoInsurance.com. Okay, Taylor, we've been fine-tuning this poll question since the show started. What is the final question and what are the results if we have any results yet? Today's poll question, which you can vote in at HowieCarShow.com, is what's the worst text from Michael Chip Proctor, Trooper Michael Chip Proctor, regarding the- He's a chip off the old block. Regarding the Karen Reed case. Telling his sister to have the Albert send the thank you gift to his wife. Calling her the C word. Saying she has no ass. Describing her medical condition as a "leaky balloon knot." Or saying she has a "weird fall river accent." I'm going to vote for the soliciting the- sending a text to tell the sister to tell the Alberts to send the bribe to the wife. 20% say the thank you gift to his wife. 45% say calling Karen the C word. And 35% say "leaky balloon knot." No votes for fall river? Not yet, this poll question just went up. You don't want to be associated with fall river. Now it's got two percent, just updated it. It's going to go up. We're going to get a lot of votes in this poll today. 844-542-844-542-442. For those of us who listen but don't live in Boston area and have no idea what this trial is about, is there a place where we can read the account of what led to this trial, making for moderate to poor radio if you don't know what's happening? I think most people know what's happening. But if you don't know, I think just a text Karen read trial and you can read up on it. What do you think the Daily Mail, just for an overall view? Yeah, they may have something. But anyone that says it's pretty easy stuff to keep up with. It's pretty easy to figure it out. And obviously what's going on now is just a case of some of the most blatant police corruption that you're going to see anywhere. And it's just all laid out. 844-542-442. Not as exciting as the trial but it's worth mentioning, the biggest news in Connecticut today. UConn men's basketball coach Dan Hurley has turned down the Lakers to stay at UConn. You know, I want to take in the money and run. But that's me. I'm Howie Carr. [Music] Live from the Matthews Brothers Studios. 844-542-442. 844-542-442. So, I'm just trying to write my column as it hoes long until this Karen read trial is over. Hose, is it possible the trooper Michael Chip Proctor has not been fired. Hose, is he still investing? Hose, that's one of the key elements of the trial. One of the women said hose long to die in the cold. But this hours before the body of the Boston police officer was found frozen to death in the snow. Hose long to die in snow. So, hose is this guy still investigating murders for the office of his fellow knucklehead, Norfolk County District Attorney Meatball Morrissey. You like hose. I like hos. Hose or hos in the anyway. It works in print, either. However, you pronounce it. Yeah, and Howie, can I give people a piece of advice if you aren't as familiar with the case and you want to learn more about it? We have, Howie has them, I have them, you can go back to both of our shows where we talked to Turtle Boy before the trial started. And he laid out the case several times for us over the course of the last couple of months. So, that's a good way to kind of get a starter. So, wherever you get your podcast, just type into the car. Or you can come on to Howie Car Show dot com and read my columns. I've written like, I'd say four or five columns in the last two weeks about this case. Definitely. And you can also, yeah, I think the podcast at the beginning, though, they set up some of the primary characters that you have to kind of know to understand what's going on now. But both are a good option. So, check that out. All right. Did you ever think you were going to be writing this kind of thing? These kind of grotesque text messages? I'm always hopeful. The stuff is going to fall into my lap. I mean, I want to be honest, Grace. You know, I'm not going to say, I'm shocked. It's really disturbing, though. Like, he keeps referencing of the professionalism. Oh, no, no, Jackson has gone, Jackson has gone, Jackson has gone. It's now we're now on cross-examination. So now, now it's going to get unbelievably grotesque, I think, or unbelievably interesting. And you know what I love? I love in these trials, Howie, when the person's reading their own text messages and they're doing us all the favor of like censoring it as though it has, as though they're, they're reading it for the first time, too. Like, I'll spell the word because it's, it's so horrible. You wrote it. You're the one who wrote it. We all wouldn't be listening to this if you weren't such a sicko. And the judge, Beverly Knone, is, is a second-generation hack, a devolved Patrick appointee. I mean, she's a, she's never worked at an honest day in her life. She's never been, never sent out a billable hour to a private client. And even she is disgusted by her fellow payroll patriot, Chip Proctor. She's going, there are your words, pal. She didn't use pal, but they're your words. Read them. No, I thought her, her tone in that back and forth, Howie was very much like a schoolteacher. She was very disappointed in him. These are your words, aren't they? Okay. We'll read them then. How about turtle boy? He'll be on it at about an hour or whatever this wraps up this afternoon. Yeah, I have a little bit of a beef, not with turtle boy, but with, uh, Judge Knone in this case. She only gave them a half hour for lunch. How am I supposed to get my time in my show for turtle boy? If they only have 30 minutes for lunch, Howie, how are those people even supposed to go out and get a sandwich with that amount of time? What's going on with the hack or ram? I think they're cutting lunch down to 30 minutes. Well, I think they are taken tomorrow off though. I mean, they... Oh, that makes sense. They worked one day and then now they're back out. I think it's tomorrow that they're off, but I'm not sure. Okay, so we have some news here to get to how we will be getting back to Karen Reed in this trial shortly, but in the meantime, Jill Biden's 3600 mile round trip from France to Delaware to spend two days at Hunter's trial could cost up to $345,000 and taxpayers could be on the hook for a huge step. This is from the Daily Mail, which is probably why they're saying we could be. Initially, initially what I was thinking of doing was having as the poll question. Is it better for the Trump campaign to have Hunter acquitted or convicted? That's a good one. That's a good poll question. I think it's better to have him acquitted just because it just reinforces just how corrupt the deep state is. As if this trial and datum down the road is just not confirming it as well. Yeah, no, that's a very good poll question because I've thought about that too. Really, you know what it is, how it's a bit of a win-win for Trump in this case. If he gets convicted, then he can say to Biden on the debate stage when Biden says you're a convicted felon, he can turn right around, which you know Trump will, and will say so is your son. He's the smartest guy you know. That's a perfect one. And if it doesn't work to your point, the Trump base is re-energized and the independent voters are looking at this going, "Damn, this guy got away with everything." Joe, you tried to broom the case last year. And a judge, I appointed God's lover, Norika. She stopped it. But then you got to throw it out anyway. Yeah. And now you're probably going to get the income tax evasion case thrown out in LA in September. Yes, so there's your update on that. But meanwhile, Jill has been going back and forth between France and this Delaware courtroom, and she racked up $345,000 in flight costs. But it does say that her political party, the Democratic Party, will chip in some funds for what it costs for her to fly commercially with taxpayers footing the rest of the bill. Who do you think is going to be footing the lion's share? Yeah. The Dems or people who work for a living. Yeah, I think we all know that. Here's an interesting story. This is from Breitbart, it says, "The refreshingly sensible American college of pediatricians has urged their fellow physicians to reject the harmful protocols informing so-called gender affirming care." Uh-oh, stand by for being canceled, all you pediatricians out there. Yeah, they want to stop the promotion of social affirmation, puberty blockers, cross-sex ones. What does social affirmation mean? I think that just means when socially we affirm what this person's feeling. So they're saying enough of the schools. But that's everything. That's all the other things, though, isn't it? What are the things they want to stop? Well, they want to stop puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and surgeries for children. But they're also saying socially. Like, you know, when a boy says, "I think I'm a girl and dress is an address," and all the teachers call him by a girl's name, that would be, I think, the social part of it, where all the whole classroom starts calling someone by a different name. That's the social part. And you have to use zero and zero. Exactly. Um, and also it says, "evidence-based medical research now demonstrates there is little to no benefit from any or all suggested gender affirming interventions for adolescents experiencing gender dysphoria." Do they really have to do like a survey on this kind of stuff? I mean, doesn't common sense tell you. Yeah, but it's good to have just because the left is pushing for this so hard, and the left likes to use this mindset of, or this argument that kids are going to die. Right. They're not allowed to do this. So by having these... Yeah, but then you see who undergoes these transgender procedures, and they're killing themselves at what the rate of maybe 40%, right? Yeah. And they, you know, did you notice too that the stuff is starting to leak out about the transgender shooter at the Nashville Christian school? Yeah, a lot of the pages leaked out on Friday about some of the things that Audrey Hale was writing. Yeah, she wanted to go back and kill her father after she killed all the little kids and the faculty and administrators and staff of the school. And she also had a dream about a bodily appendage that she didn't have. Yeah. I mean, she was obviously mentally deranged. And part of this conversation and part of what this statement is, this declaration is saying is that it's not just mentally how damaging these cross hormones and all this other stuff is. But also, and I didn't realize this, there's health risks that include cardiovascular disease, high blood pressure, heart attacks, blood clots, strokes, diabetes and cancer that come from pumping these, a lot of times, kids full of these puberty blockers. Chemicals. Yeah. And then removing parts of your body that produce the things like testosterone that a male needs. You're still a male, even if they, you know, even if they, well, you know. And something else that, and I know this conversation for a lot of people, it's uncomfortable to talk about and I totally agree. But what Libby Emmons always says to me when she's on my show is, listen, Grace, for these young women who are chopping off parts of their body, when if they hit 30 and realize they made a mistake, it's going to be very hard for them to have children. That's a lifelong decision you're making at 14, 15, 16, very dangerous stuff. Howie, another big story today, one in five New York City hotels is now an illegal migrant shelter. Yes, I, you know, I was at a good, at a good hotel in Midtown. You know, Charlotte has a deal. You know, she gets the, she gets cheap rate. But we went in at six o'clock. Our room wasn't ready. We left from Hofstra on Long Island after the, after getting the award. And it was, it was fun. Congratulations by the way. Thank you. Thank you. And they, they said we're an absolute 100% occupancy. And I think, I think most hotels are like that in the city. Yeah, they said that right now, um, most hotels are full and also that the price is increasing. So it's been an 8.5% increase from 2022 costs. Now, obviously some of that is inflation, but a lot of it is an over commitment to providing shelters for the influx of illegal migrants. Also at the end of the story in the federalist, it says, according to the New York Times, NYC signed a $980 million contract for, this is what it's called, Sanctuary Hotel Program, which runs until August 31st and is likely to be renewed. But I did, on a total side note, I did see you in NYC and you were at a very fancy hotspot for dinner. Yes, I was at this place called the Polo Bar. Did you know what Tina posted of you? No, what did you post? It was a picture of you sitting at the Polo Bar with a caption, "Is this place hard to get a reservation to?" Which for anyone who knows anything about the Polo Bar, you know the answer to that is yes. Do you know who we saw there? Who? What do you have? No, it's the only choice for somebody like me. There was this, there was this empty table in the, in the corner and I was thinking, you know, this is Friday night. And, you know, it's getting into prime time. Yeah. Why are they keeping this table open? And it was for, it was for Woody and Sun Yi. Did you, did you do the mockery, the sham of mockery of a sham? No, he, he, he's, he looks very old and very frail. So then when we were leaving, we went upstairs after I pocketed some pens and some postcards and the usual stuff. And, and, and we guess we ran into going, coming in as we were leaving. I hope someone better than Woody Allen. Wilbur Ross, the former secretary of commerce, who, who I had seen, I think six weeks earlier on a Friday night at the club Collette in Palm Beach. Wow, you and Wilbur running into each other. Wilbur, what the hell are you doing here? You belong in Palm Beach, like me. Wilbur, are you following me? All right, I will be back for hate now Monday in a little bit and how we will have his laser cap on. So tune into the rumble to see that coming up. Yes, and things are, things are still going pretty, pretty amazingly at this trial. I, I'm seeing, you know, on the, the closed caption, Grace, I'm seeing the word retarded. I think he, he called Yannetti retarded to his superiors. He called Yannetti retarded. To his state police superiors in text messages. Oh, he never learned that rule, Howie. I know never, never write when you could speak, never speak when you can nod, never nod when you can wink. It's very few people have mastered that way of life. And it's, it's not hard. It's not like, it's not like that's just was coined like six months ago. You know, that's been around since the days of Martin Lamazni and Earl Long, and God only knows who else is taking credit for it. But there it is. Eight, four, four, five, this. You know what, you know what Proctor is going to need? He's going to, he's got a skin head. It looks like a, he looks like a bullet. His head looks like a bullet. He's going to need a wig to wear on in public. Even when he goes to the, people even at the waterfall and McCarty's are going to be like giving him a, a good leave and a loan. You know how he, there's a lot of people that you poke fun of that I'll try to come to their defense and say that's not very nice, Howie. But after reading this man's text messages, I think, I think you can basically say whatever you want. All right, thank you, Grace. Last night for dinner, I had an Omaha steak filet mignon. It was perfect. You know what I'm having tonight? I'm having some, some of the wonderful chicken breast. It's from Omaha steak. Everything Omaha Steaks does is wonderful and this is the week of Father's Day. It's not too late to order something for dear old dad. Father's Day is almost here. Are you struggling to find the perfect gift for the man who has everything? The solution is simple. Give him the unforgettable experience of Omaha Steaks because a world-class dad deserves a world-class steak. 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Visit Omaha Steaks.com and shop packages starting at just $89 when you use my promo code Howie at Checkout. Go now before it's too late. I'm Howie Carr. The Howie Carr Show will be right back. The Howie Carr Show is back. Well, we finally got the nudes in there. Apparently, apparently Proctor texted back to his knucklehead friends, both from high school and his knucklehead colleagues on the Norfolk County District Attorney's investigative force. No nudes so far. Attorney Jackson, I'm just listening to this stuff during the break. He said, "Were you ever reprimanded? Were you ever dressed down for doing something so abhorrent as searching for nudes on a suspect's phone?" And he said, because he was sending this stuff to his superiors in the state police. He said, "Not that I can recall." And he spelled nudes, N-O-O-D-Z. N-O-O-D-Z. Is that the way the cool kids spell it? Or is he just a canton high school idiot? 919, so Woody Allen was looking old and frail. Are you looking like Zeus? Only compared to Woody Allen. That's all. They had him in the corner so no one could hassle him and he was sitting with his, not looking out. So, you know, if you didn't see him coming in, you wouldn't have known who it was. And I guess, you know, the polo bars, it's these exclusives. I mean, it's okay. It's an okay place. It's in Midtown, across the street from the St. Regis on, I think, 55th Street, between Fifth Avenue and Madison. So, I mean, it's a nice neighborhood and all that, but it's just the exclusivity. They have someone at the door to throw you out. It's like a Studio 54 without the drugs and without the disco music. It's just you have to be somebody to get in. And again, my daughter has a connection, so that's how I got in. But I mean, it was good. I liked it, but I don't really care. 844-500-4242-844-542-442. So, you want to play some of that? You got some more of this? The retarded cuts or the nude's cut? We don't have those yet. Okay, we'll get them as we go by. All right. Okay, let's reading the text messages. This is Lally, the prosecutor, the human rain delay. He's reading the text messages with Trooper Proctor before the cross-examination begins, which is going on now. Cut 15. He was frozen in the driveway and she didn't see him. That's another animal we won't be able to prove. And then I respond, they arrive at the house together, Gondor and I. I know she's out loud and we're out of turn. If the objections overruled. But if I could say this, it needs to be an identifier. And I understand what you think the mix up is. So, Mr. Lally, go back. Thank you. Sir, if you could please again, start at the top of the page and just indicate. Just after the gotcha, he was frozen in the driveway. Correct, Mr. Jackson? That's correct, John. Thank you. I respond, that's another animal we won't be able to prove. I follow that up. They arrived at the house together, got into an argument. She was driving and left. We'll be right back on How We Car. 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