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A aggressive insurance agency, your car insurance, your renters insurance, your homeowners insurance. She can handle all of it for you, the insurance agency that works for you. Again, insurancebyl Lynette.com. 954-58100. And now, today's episode. [MUSIC PLAYING] Welcome to Five on the Floor, a daily insider show on the Miami Heat and the NBA featuring Ethan Skolnick, Greg Soulvander, and Alex Toledo, plus others from the Five Reason Sports Network. All right, welcome back to Five on the Floor. Here's today's floor plan. I'm Ethan Skolnick and follow me to Ethan J. Skolnick at Five Reason Sports. I've got Alex Toledo. You can follow me to Tropical Blanket. We'll have episodes with Brady and Greg coming up this week. Check out the episode that I did with our guy Eternal Bass. We've got into why there's so much disrespect to Dwayne Wade around this time of year. It seems to happen every single year. He's thrown into all these ridiculous comparisons. So, Eternal and I broke it down a little bit. Is it more about basketball or is it about something else? Today, we're going to get back into basketball and we're following all the reports. I do want to introduce one thing we're going to be doing. Starting next week, we are going to start revisiting Miami Heat Drafts. And we're going to do it on two different, well, actually, if you include YouTube, three different platforms. We're going to be doing some years here on Five on the Floor, and we're going to be doing some years on playback. So, that's playback.tv/5RSN or just download the playback app for free and then sign up for Five Reasons Room. You'll find it on there. So, we basically are going to pick ten different years in which the Miami Heat either took a player of significance or maybe they passed on a player of significance. So, we're going to break those down. So, some of the years that we will definitely do are 2003, Dwayne Wade, 2008. Alex will be on that one. That will be the Michael Beasley year, and I've got a lot of background on that one. We'll probably do 2015, the Justice Winslow year. We might do 2002, the Coron Butler year. Greg and I, if we're feeling like really old that day, we might do a combined episode of the Pre-Riley stuff, Steve Smith, Ronnie Sykley, Glenn Rice. We are certainly going to do the Tyler Hero year, the Bam out of Bio year, and yes, we probably will do. In addition to the Jaime Hakke as year, we probably will do the Precious Atua year, because that was also the Tyrese Maxi year. So, we'll get into all of this stuff as we go forward, and again, we'll be unveiling all of that starting that week. The week after, we will get into this year's draft more specifically, and we've got our guy Adele, who's been putting up stuff on his YouTube channel, and he's going to be synchronizing his stuff with us, so that we have the latest on all the draft prospects that they may be looking at, and what direction the draft could go. Today, though, we're going to do more of a veteran topic. Alex, you weren't on this one, I don't think. I think Greg and I did this one about the idea of a third player. In light of what Tyler Hero makes, Terry Rosier make, whichever one you consider their third player, Tyler's their third highest paid player, kind of what you can pay to a guy like that, or what direction you need to go, under the current tax rules, second apron rules, and all that. It's been said to me that in the modern NBA, if you've got two maxes, your third guy really can't be much more than a mid-level. The Heat, of course, have two guys who are making a lot more than that actually three if you include Duncan Robinson, but the two are Tyler Hero who I believe makes 29 million next year, Terry Rosier who makes 24 million next year, and we've talked about the redundancy of the two of them, and then Duncan Robinson, who's at right where 18 or 19 million for next year. Duncan Robinson is the Heat's fifth highest paid player, makes more than any magic player is currently scheduled to make next year, and you and I did that magic podcast, but Jonathan Isaac, who could be a free agent, because he's a player option, I believe, would make 17 million dollars on an opt-in there, and that just gives you some context for people to say the Heat are in spending, and salary sheet doesn't really show that. So we're going to get into some players who may be out there for that third spot, and like whether or not it would be worth it. Okay, so let's start with this guy because this one is a player who from a talent perspective, I think the Heat would definitely like to have, which is Laurie Markinen of Utah, and we were going over this before we came in. Now, Markinen is a free agent after this upcoming season, correct Alex? 18 million dollars, something along those lines? Yep. In the modern NBA, what would Laurie Markin be worth per year to you? I think probably if we're being realistic, and he keeps playing more or less at the same level for this next season, I think whatever his max is is probably not only what he's going to be demanding, but what he's going to be worth. I think the level that he's been playing at since he got to Utah surprised a lot of people, including myself, I was not like a big marketing guy after his stint in Chicago, you know, it was like a nice role player for Cleveland in the one year before he was a part of the Mitchell trade. And so, you know, he was starting to look better, but I don't think a lot of us projected him to be, you know, somewhat of an all-star level player, which is what he's been. I think offensively, obviously, that's like where everything comes for him. He's really good. He's really good, and not only that, he's really versatile. You can use them in a lot of different ways on and off ball, and I think Spoke had some fun having an offensive weapon like that who, you know, I think would fit nicely next to Bay. I'm kind of addresses some of your size issues, right? If for people who want them to play double bigs, I think he's the type of big you would want, like a real offensive weapon who can pass, who can play on or off ball, you know, isn't a complete tree on defense, not that he's a stud, but, you know, is passable. And I know Yovitch has gotten a lot of comparisons to him. I think Yovitch is more past first and more of a connective part in the power as Mark, and it's like somebody that you devote immediately a lot of offense to, and it doesn't need to be, you know, him creating from the top before. You can do a lot with him involving, you know, your actions involving him can also involve your best players, which it would be really useful for their offense. That's a mention, how much of a sniper he is, like, from three, and just in general. I think he is somebody who would absolutely get the max, whether from the heat, from the jazz, or somebody else. 27 years old, listed at 6'11", right, 6'11", seven feet. I mean, you talk about a size issue that the heat have had and functional size, even though he's not an elite rebounder, that would obviously help. Average rebounds last two years, by the way, since getting to Utah, 8.6 and 8.2. Efficiency has been outstanding. 25.6 points two years ago on 50% shooting, 39% from 3% and 88% from the line. This past year, a little bit of a dip, he did have an availability issue. We also know that Utah sometimes has been sitting guys to get higher up in the draft. He averaged 23.2 points, 8.2 rebounds on 48, 40, 90 splits. I mean, he's close to a 50, 40, 90 player. He would be the heat's best offensive player. Am I wrong about that? At this stage? I mean, certainly regular season, he would be their best offensive player, right? My immediate thought, he would be their best offensive player, and then maybe in an ideal world, Jimmy is still your number one in the playoffs. But again, he can be involved with their own off-ball so many different ways. It would be a very different way of addressing your needs, including having extra shot creation. It's just not in the way that maybe we all would have wanted or expected. As far as a shot-creating guard who can get to the rim, that's not his game. But he does it in a lot of different ways that might be an easier fit for your stars, not to mention the size, not to mention the youth. And just another thing to clear up, because I say the word Max, I don't know exactly what his Max is or what he will be eligible for. I'll tell you, it would be four years at upwards of, according to what I just looked this up, four years at upwards of $200 million. You would be paying him to be a big-time player, so I hope people would understand that. And that would not make me shy away from trading for him. So if fans have a preference of like, "Oh, go after Donovan Mitchell." That's not really the conversation here. It's like, "Oh, if Mitchell isn't available, market it is." That's what this is about. I think he is very worthy of being the third guy with this group, even if it's not like everybody's favorite pick. You would have to be using him a lot, and I think they would. And afterwards, have to most likely pay him a ton of money like you're saying. I think it would probably be that 200 mil that he's eligible for. Well, and again, he said an age where it makes sense to do that. This is 27, 28 is when you're entering your prime. It does change your model a little bit. I mean, we talk about, well, 29 million for Tyler Hero is too much for a third player, and now we're talking about close to 50 million. I mean, there's not a whole lot else you can do beyond that. They would absolutely have to hit on any picks that they keep because those players would need to fill out the roster from a role perspective. They'd also need to find some minimums that can produce at least the level that Josh Richardson was producing last year, if not better. And they would probably need to find a couple of other developmental guys who pop. Certainly, if you're doing this, you're not keeping Kayla Martin. You're probably not even keeping Haywood Highsmith if the price gets too high. You're going to have to develop another one. You might not have Terry Roseer, Duncan Robinson, or Tyler Hero on the roster. You're going to have to find some shooting from somewhere else, right? You would have to figure out first how this trade gets done, right? Because he's making 18 mil right now, it's not that much to salary match. So, like a lot of people... Well, you can sell your match with Duncan Rob, you can sell your match with Duncan Robinson, basically. Then it's a question of where are you getting your picks, though? Exactly. It's a very idealistic, like, I guess, just trade match where you go Duncan and some picks. I don't know if that'll get it done for you. And like you guys have said, in the past, they like Tyler. So, I think immediately our brains go to, okay, Tyler and whatever else, like, you know, draft capital-wise. But he makes a lot more money in this upcoming season. So, then if you start throwing other jazz players, like it gets complicated, maybe you move Tyler, you know, or to get an extra pick or whatever. I don't know, like, maybe that's a scenario that they look through. But, yeah, I don't think, you know, the jazz, like, get excited if the heat just go, okay, Duncan in two first. You know? Well, the other issue with it is the guy who runs the jazz probably won't get excited about anything that the heat are offering, because it's Danny Ainge. That's everything. Let me look at their cap sheet here as we go forward. You know, they took John Collins into space last year at 26.5 million. How many years did they give him? I'm looking that up right now. Sexton, they have an 18 million last year. I'd like to have him in Miami, but again, I don't think he's just a giveaway player. So, 26, there's a player option for John Collins at 26.5, the year after, which my guess is, with the way his career has gone, he probably opt in. I'm looking at a way to make this deal bigger. You can obviously involve other teams. I mean, they're not going to be moving them, Walker Kessler. There's just not a hell of a lot on this roster to kind of play with. If you've got Clarkson at 14 million that next year, you know, Ainge has talked about, you know, how it's time now to start to pivot, right? Like that to actually start to compete, which it hasn't felt like they've been doing the last two years. If you're actually starting to compete, you might keep, Mark, and it doesn't seem that they're inclined to do that. And I'm a little dubious on their strategy of trying to compete in the West right now. Like I don't know how, right? Like if you were in the East, I'd say yes, but like, how are you competing with Denver to certain degree? Although I'm not all that impressed right now. Dallas, OKC with all of their assets. The Clippers are still a factor in some way. They have a handful of contenders, and then they have, like, in total 12 playoff teams, not including the Jets. And that's right. Memphis, which looks like, I mean, they're going to, they're going to be good quickly. And then the Spurs, like, are not that far. That kid may just blow up this summer in a way that if they had two pieces, they're at least at the very least the playing team. Right. So that, I don't know. When I look at age's strategy here, I'm kind of like, OK, is this really the time to do this? And again, that play may play into moving, Mark, and then not now. And not thinking that he's a $50 million number one player, I guess, on a contender. But then again, then the math becomes, is he a $50 million like third guy who's maybe your best offensive player, but not your best overall player? Would he have the best front court in the Eastern Conference? Oh, spicy. I guess it would be them or the Bucks, if you're still, you know, you're going with Brooke there, just cause the Giannis is gone. Well, I guess, or the Celtics, right? Porzingis, Tatum and Brown, if you're saying that you're playing, right? If you're, if you're playing, they're smaller lineup, right? Like that's, which is what they've, they've gone to, which is not that small, actually. But if you're going to that, I guess, how could you? I don't know. How many picks you think this is going to, I mean, they got, age took like one, a six picks for go bare. Yeah, they would. How did they, how did he even get to a number that makes sense for them? That's the thing. I mean, that's why I was proposing that, you know, hero gets moved in a separate deal or part of a three team deal. However, they work it out because I don't think the two picks that they currently have available would be enough on their own. And then that inevitably gets to, you know, again, I know everybody's going to hate it. I'm not a necessarily a fan of trading these guys, but hackers and yo-bitch are going to be asked for. It's just, there's no doubt about it. If you were a Danny Age, you would be asking for them to, right? And I don't think, you know, everybody wants to give up. Hackers and yo-bitch plus two first rounders plus whatever you got to do salary wise, including maybe trading Tyler all for marketing. Like, are you that in on him? I don't know. I think Alex, but Alex, are you, Alex, are you okay, more okay with trading yo-bitch if you're getting marketing? Because if you're getting marketing, like yo-bitch does not have a path, there's not a path for yo-bitch to be playing 30 minutes next year, if they got marketing. Unless they just, you know, were willing to use him as like, you know, he's a third, not only, he would be the third big in the rotation, which I think is how he would get his minutes, but he would have to be like a four or five hybrid. And probably just play with whoever's out there, whether it's marketing or spam, it would have to be that type of thing. Unless it's like, so it doesn't want to play them together, then that really limits, you know, where his minutes could come from. Not to mention marketing and spam, both don't miss a ton of games, and that would be, you know, that would be pretty helpful for the heat as well. I mean, actually, now that I'm looking at it, I thought he didn't miss that many games, but he missed that. No, he missed some last year, but again, I think there is a part of this. If you look at the last two seasons, some of this was injury, but it was also, the jazz have kind of been an open, it's kind of been an open secret that they've dropped some games over the course of the last couple years and sat some guys. I mean, that was one of the great tank jobs I've ever seen two years ago, where they're like, they were leading a game against the heat, then nobody played at the fourth quarter. They've been kind of obvious about it. So I don't think it's just that. Like, I wouldn't really wouldn't worry about him as much from an availability perspective. It does change the tone of the roster. Like, then maybe you're looking for like guards who can defend, like, which is cheaper to get than guards who can score. Like, I mean, if you have, if you have marketing, you still have Jimmy producing. You know, if BAM continues to modestly develop offensively, you don't really need, I mean, maybe you need one, like, volume of six man type guy, but I don't feel like offense would be a problem. Right. Well, well, I think they're moving both. Wow, they might both be moved. I mean, I don't know. Again, this is, I mean, because, I mean, are you going to, if you got to pay market in $50 million, I think it wouldn't be this year, it'd be after that. But if you had to pay them $50 million as your third guy, are you keeping Terry Rosier at $24 million in the last year of his contract? I'm not talking about this upcoming season. I'm talking about after that, or you keeping Tyler at, what, $30? I mean, because I think, ultimately, if they got market and Tyler's gone, I think I agree with you on that. Like, I feel like that's going to, and this gets back to what we talked about with Dame. I think it's a regional offer by reports. Okay. And again, this is, you know, there was not a lot of communication going on here, but Tyler and two firsts, like this would, for Dame, like this would be richer than that. Like, I, it's, that's not going to, it's not going to fly on its own. They would have to find pics for other people. And then you mentioned they might have to throw in Hakka's Endor Yovitch, although I think it's more and more than an end. But, but, but it depends. All right. So when we come back, we're going to talk about the situation in Atlanta. So we're kind of looking at these teams as we go forward and seeing there might be a fit. There was a report today about the Andre Hunter and Clint Capella. I want to talk about the Hunter thing, because this would be a little bit of a different approach. You're not necessarily upgrading, but you're kind of salary shifting. So we'll get into that in a second. Before we do, I want to mention a couple great sponsors of the Five Reasons Sports Network. 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We leverage industry-focused insights with the collective technical resources of our firm to elevate your performance. Uncover opportunity and move upward at MossAtoms.com. This report out of Atlanta that the Hawks could be moving. We've talked a lot about Trey and Deonta Murray, but now we're moving to the front court. The Hawks have been stuck in playing purgatory. I guess the heat have too. They've got a finals appearance out of it for the past two years. They need to make changes and it looks like ownership there is looking to do it. Clint Capella and Deontje Hunter came up. Let's start with Hunter. A really talented player, heroes draft class, kind of a high-end role player who's shown flashes of more, but has had trouble staying healthy and really was kind of passed in some ways by Jalen Johnson last year for them. It's actually late in the season, so it looks like they're willing to move on from him. Now, again, availability issues there was something that the heater concerned about. Here's his contract coming up. He saw an extension around the same time a hero did. He makes 21-7 next year, 23-3, 24-9. So, essentially, this would be getting a little cheaper at their third spot, but I'll just ask you this. Is Deontje Hunter worthy of being a third player on a contending team? I mean, it hasn't happened yet, right? So, you're betting on the upside and keeping him healthy and keeping guys healthy has not been the heat strength lately. Yeah, no, I don't think Deontje Hunter is worth being their third contract. I like him. I like coming out of college. I think he's been all right, but that's just it. Like, I think he's been okay. And like you said, he got passed by Jalen Johnson this season, who is younger, more athletic, and can clearly do more things, was more productive. Deontje Hunter, and look, some of it is a fall of, I mean, kind of an outcome of offenses that are very heliocentric, revolving around true young and, you know, of course, Murray, where maybe you don't get as many touches. I don't think he is somebody that deserves like, you know, third option touches. Now, he wouldn't really be your third option because, you know, you still have whichever one you don't trade between Tyler and Terry. So, I understand the idea of like, you know, maybe you exchange one of those guys for somebody who can help solidify your front court, who, you know, has the nice measurables that Hunter does, the wingspan and the height and all that. I think that's a little bit idealistic. I think you lose a lot in your office and I don't think he is, he is the guy that people are making him out. Now, I'm not trying to like, crap on him. I just don't think he is particularly great on either end of the floor to be like, okay, I'm into this. Like, it's just, to me, it's not the right scenario. I understand like the fans wanting to shake things up. This just wouldn't be, I'm not too, you know, a big fan of this move. So, like, he gives you some stuff in the mid range, I think as a shooter from three, he's been, you know, good, but I feel like sometimes it's a little bit inconsistent. The numbers don't necessarily reflect that because you know, 38% from three this year, 35 last year, 38 the year before, you know, only had one season below 35% from three out of his five. Like, you give that to him, but again, I don't know that that's worth doing. And I think you could probably get more out of him defensively putting him in the front court with Jimmy and Bam. And of course, you know, what's full does, I just, I'm not a fan of moving either one of Terry or Tyler for him. And especially because it would be a little bit more complicated than that, right? Because he makes, what is it, 22 Mill next season? I don't know that the Hawks would have interest in either of those guards considering their current guard situation. Like, I mean, it already didn't work with them playing Murray with Young. And now if they end up moving Murray or Young, they really don't want Rosie or a hero. There it feels, I mean, if they kept Young and they got hero that defend that backwards going to get destroyed on the defensive end, we talked about it, we talked about Trey coming to Miami. And if they, and I don't know, I don't feel like Rosie and Marisa fit. I don't know, it feels, it feels to me like a force. I mean, like, here's the thing, like, let's say Kayla Morton is going to get 13 million a year, which we think may be too rich for the heats blood right now where they're at. Is, is the Andre 100 10 million better than Kayla Martin per season? Has he shown that? Like, I don't. Is that good game? I like him, but, but yeah, it's just. And he's a guy who I famously like when I think about his good games against the heat, especially in that first round a couple of years ago. I've made jokes on playback about it that it's like, he, when he sees Tyler hero, he, his eyes light up and he takes like those, you know, kind of elbow mid range shots. You know, maybe you'll post them up and just kind of shoot over him in the mid range. And he, he very clearly, you know, likes that, that little mid range area against smaller guys and, you know, that would fit right in with the heats, the mid range shot for a while. But I just don't think I don't think he'll be making you better significantly significantly on either end. And it, yes, it would be an upgrade defensively going for either one of those guards to him. I just, I think like he is like a B on both ends of the floor. And even that is like, be my little generous, because he's not always like, it's not like night to night. He's this awesome, like high level role player who's like, you know, like people talk about that Aaron Gordon. I don't think he's at that level. So I like him. I like his aim. Wouldn't mind him on the heat in theory. I don't think the scenario really is like a great one for either teams. We start going through trade ideas and that's mentioned the Hawks having to throw in more contract to match it for, you know, whether it's Terry would have to be a couple million. If it's Tyler, it would have to be like another 7 million that the Hawks would have to throw in there. I just, I don't think this is the right move for either team. And like the marketing thing to me is the opposite of that, which is why it would cost so much more. But like, just a thing I didn't mention in the first half. Marketing had a 97 percentile offensive estimated plus minus 96 percentile the year before. So ever since he's been on the jazz that he's been one of the best, you know, most productive offensive players in the league. And of course, you know, the team that it's, it's all about him. But again, a guy who would fit in nicely and the heat would absolutely use a ton in their offense. Whereas like with Hunter, it's like, okay, you know, you can maybe get more to him than the Hawks got it. And that's kind of the sell, but it's you're taking a risk by moving one of your guys who like you know what they can do what they can't do. And Terry and Tyler, and you know, a team missing that needs that much offense, you know, downgrading there for a guy like Hunter. And I don't even know how much like the defensive upgrade would be worth it. So I think it's two completely different conversations. But, you know, Hunter, I don't think he's, you know, he's worth the move here. All right, so real quick here, the other guy, Clint Coppella, which is kind of amusing because BAM was compared to Clint Coppella by a lot of people coming out of college. And the heat actually looked seriously at Clint Coppella that year that what was it that they ended up taking, I think, what was it, the one that the front wanted to take? Right. That otherwise Coppella probably would have been the pick. If not, and he's had a good career and he's had some big rebounding games against the heat. He's actually coming up into the last year of his contract at 22 million. He would be a backup on the heat. They're not going to play BAM with Coppella. I don't believe in paying $22 million for backup centers, even if they're high level backup center. But it is the last year of his contract. Is there any value there? I mean, this would be the kind, this would be like a reset move, right? Like, it's just cleaning out some cap after this year. And then again, he's also, he could be moved again, I guess, before the deadline. If you wanted to do that, you know, once once that the moratorium and that it ends. Is there any appeal to going after a $22 million backup center on an expiring? Well, and I forgot to mention him before, even though we mentioned him regarding marketing and that deal. Another scenario, as far as like a guy who could be thrown in there, maybe they don't trade either Tyler or Terry and it's Duncan. With his 19 mill or so that he's making next season, you would still have to throw in more money, whether it is a fellow or hunter. As far as like really quick, because I didn't mention that before, I would maybe be more open to moving Duncan. But even then, like that doesn't, that neither of those scenarios really excite me. And I know that's not really the point of it, but it's not just about exciting. It's like moving Duncan or another one of your offensive guys who we already mentioned in here on Rosie here, like would that be the move for a backup five? Would that be a move for like this? Okay, somewhat starter level for and hunter. I don't know. That's why I think maybe that's like, maybe you just got to swallow your pride and can do a move like that if you think it'll really help your roster and balance it out. I'm not really sold on either one. What do you feel about like maybe Duncan for Coppella or Duncan for Hunter? Yeah, that's one mentioned before. You know, again, that's about, well, the hunter thinks a little different than Coppella because you're taking on additional years there. So I don't know that that's the direction that the heat would want to go. And then again, the hunter's been a good shooter, but Duncan's obviously a better shooter. And I don't know that the offense for defense, which makes sense with Coppella is a little different because you're getting off the contract. So I could see it as potentially a shuffling move. I think he fans have to be prepared for the possibility that both Tyler and Duncan are moved and then they're going to have to find shooting somewhere else. And I'm dubious on the idea of like Cole Swider stepping into the rotation next year. He doesn't look like a rotation player to me. Now, I've been wrong about some of their developmental guys. In the past, I didn't think Heywood highsmith would be this. We said he had a very sort of low ceiling, but a pretty high floor. And I think he's exceeded the ceiling that we've talked about. You know, that's kind of where we're at. So, you know, so, you know, my, my thought on it is that first thing marketing to me is worth a serious look unless Danny Ainge is just insane in his demands. I really would not be serious about Coppella is just about if it's a shape shifting move to get some contracts off the books next year and go a different direction with kind of more of a BAM focus. I think that's kind of where we're at with it. So we'll see. We'll get into more of these players as they become available. Check out again the other podcasts that are on the feed subscribed off the floor. Check out playback. Also, if you're a dolphin fan, we've got our guys going on playback as well. Thanks for our sponsors. We have our insurance. Better edge. Use the code 5RSN prize picks. Use the code 5. Have a good one, everybody. What's next? At Moss Adams, that question inspires us to help people and their businesses strategically define and claim their future. As one of America's leading accounting consulting and wealth management firms, our collaborative approach creates solutions for your unique business needs. 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