[MUSIC] >> Fan Morning Joe Sports time 59 in the fan band, Ben Ants, Frank Gunning. >> US Open just barely underway. We'll talk to Joe House later on this hour. Pinehurst, number two, providing some scenes already. >> Mm, I don't know the gentleman's name who I just watched, putt a ball, he gave it a good wrap and it looked like it went about 30 feet roughly up a hill to the green and then rolled right back to him. >> Is that who he or is that another guy on the same spot? >> Who he is the guy who hit a way better putt because he got two reads off of it from his playing partner there just now. I don't know who it was, wearing a sick pink tarp, whoever it was. >> Okay, if I don't know, it's kind of telling. >> Yeah, it's gonna be a blood bath. >> I can't wait, you got to witness me actively cheer when that ball rolled off the green right back to my seat. >> My favorite video of the greens at Pinehurst this week is what I showed my dad yesterday, we were playing. Where somebody, I think it was the sixth hole, just dropped it, like straight vertical, like just dropped it, didn't roll it. I've also seen those videos where I was like, Taylor made did a video, where somebody rolled a ball on the hill and it's like, that looks close and it comes all the way back, like 50 yards behind. There's like one thing to have a ball already in motion, but just like dropping it from waist high onto the green. >> Yeah, sick drop. >> And it rolling not just off the green, but like also 50 yards off the green into like a waist area. I was like, oh, is that part of the golf course, is that out of bounds now? Like, it's ridiculous. >> Don't ask Dustin Johnson, if it's a waist area or waist bunker, he wouldn't know. >> Yeah, good stuff. >> That's my favorite, quick golf one of him just, yeah, I don't know, he didn't read the rules, so I'm playing in a major or anything. >> And what do you want? >> Well, we'll get back to the years of later on this hour. But it's, it is Mitch Marner season. It's about to really ramp up, especially if it's a quick stand like a final here. >> Mm-hm. >> The oil is trying to get closer to the Florida Panthers tonight in game three. >> Imagine to just play it out. >> Imagine it just played out the exact same way. And Conor McDavid gets like a 10-minute misconduct at the end of the game for crying to the officials because he's not getting enough power, please. >> Like the Luca, you thought the Luca discourse was good. >> Oh my god. >> Hard to imagine that, I don't think that's going to happen. But we'll see, anyways, there is now some scuttlebutt that the Vegas Golden Knights could be players for Mitch Marner, which I mean only makes all the sense in the world. >> Yeah, why didn't, why didn't we start there? >> [LAUGH] >> It's like, if there's a big name and trade to be made. >> They've tried, they've probably tried to trade for NBA guys. They're like, I don't know, I heard Trey Young's available, what can you do? >> Yeah, make it a call. >> It is, they're the, okay, so it works on that level because yeah, I mean, Jack, I go a different deal because there was an injury concern and the doctors, they wouldn't do the surgery that the Vegas Golden Knights are like, we'll do that. No problem, whatever you want, buddy. >> It's Vegas, land of the lawless. >> But yeah, obviously like a franchise icon that had been disillusioned by his franchise instead, it's the franchise disillusioning themselves of Mitch Marner. But yeah, they took advantage of that situation. So there's also, there's proof of concept with them going out and getting stars, which they've done time and time again. There's also, boy, every player in the NHL just wants to play in Vegas. >> Mm-hm. >> Clearly, they love it. Can't you see Mitch Marner saying, yeah, I like to win a Stanley Cup for my hometown team, sure, sure he would. Would I also go like to win a Stanley Cup, the place where they've just done it? And live in Las Vegas? >> I don't get to like dance with the Knight, cuz he loves his hugs with Carlton or whatever. So he'll be like doing some TikTok dance with the Knight and Vegas feels very fitting. >> The only thing is like, yeah, I mean, he's already making close to 11 million bucks, and he's gonna want to raise, that would make him the highest paid player on that Vegas Golden Knights team at Knight No, the taxes thing is like, you don't have to make as much, but nobody's taken pay cuts, especially if you're gonna prime your career. >> No, it's just a benefit that you get for playing in that place. >> Yeah, like even Matthew Kachok, it's like he signed an amazing ticket for the Panthers, but it was when he was seen at least as a lesser player than what he is now. He didn't take that deal because of the lack of taxes. >> Anyways, so that the trade pieces that make the most sense, obviously he's a defensement, it's gotta be a defensement coming back in Vegas Golden Knights have a defensement pretty darn good in his own right, also one year away from free agency. >> Close-ish in age to Mitch Marner a little older, Shay Theodore is 28 years old, now he's a left-hand shot, he's a modified no move clause, so it's I think five team, no trade list, who knows what may believe so on that, but yeah. >> Well, there's not five teams in Canada, so if he just does what everybody does, we understand it's like there's a chance it's not the least. >> So Shay Theodore, and boy, while we're at it, why don't you throw in a Logan Thompson as well, who is a 28 year old goalie, who's the back of Dayton Hill? >> He started over 40 games this season, he's also one year away from free agency with the cap hit of under 800 grand. So boy, be pretty good on cap hits with your goaltending tandem, as combined they're making a million and a half bucks, next season of that with a deal, I mean, obviously it would be more than that, maybe draft picks involved, but those two guys you'd save around $5 million in cap savings just this season. I think in any trade scenario involving both sides are going to want to figure out extensions, like almost like the trade doesn't happen unless both sides are figuring out extensions, the Golden Knights with Mitch Marner and the Toronto Maple Leafs with Shay Theodore, but does this, does the framework of a trade sending Mitch Marner to Vegas for Shay Theodore makes sense to you? >> The framework is super interesting, but the thing that I actually think more about it is how illuminating this framework is for how unappealing all Mitch Marner trades will be for me. That is actually what this is, is, because that's a great trade. If you could do that, the idea of a guy who could, in theory, play on your top pair, although he shoots with the wrong hand, and a goalie who in theory could go with Joe Wall, and then you're saving a bunch of money there, but you know, my first blush is, I kind of don't want the defenceman after he's, this is a crazy thing to say, I know, but he's already won the cup, he's already been through the rigors, he's going to be 29 or 30 years old when I play 47 games this past year. >> Yeah, like that's my issue with that there is that it's not to say you don't want a guy that has proof of concept that is proven he could play in the playoffs. Of course you want that. The Leafs would love nothing more than a hop in a time of scene and grab Jake Muzzin all over again, but you need to remember what happened with Jake Muzzin. And, you know, obviously the health stuff that happened with him was a pretty quickly declining road, but that's kind of what happens with half of NHL defensemen by the time they get to their thirties, especially somebody who has had a long playoff run and not just one, but several of them, that's the concerning part. But I'm not going to sit here and tell you that that's a bad proposal or that the Leafs would be crazy to look at it, but that's my first blush reaction is, can you not get someone more in line with Marner? But no, you can't because you're going to lose the trade because the player has so much control. And quite frankly, the team that's acquiring him has a ton of control here. So that's actually the thing I take away from this is just how wholly unappealing these trades will be because because you're going to do the thing where you say, okay, what can we get with the other five million a cap space? But you can't because you got to pay shade Theodore because he's got one year left on the day. Yeah, but that's next year when you're losing the 11 million dollars of John Tavares and the cap is up another 5% right? Great timing by that also. Sure. So yeah, like his shade Theodore at the level of a Mitch Marner just as far as impact and like there's a reason why one guy is a cap hit of almost 11 million bucks. And yeah, maybe he got it a little too early, but he's a 99 point player. I don't think anybody's losing the plot with Mitch Marner. Like the postseason performance hasn't been what you wanted, but the player has been unreal. Shade Theodore has been a guy that's finished top 10 in Norris voting before, but he's 29 years old, about the 29 years old and going to need like the part of the reason you would make a deal like this if you're the trauma, please, because you want to extend him and he's going to want to extend for boy as long as possible. Yeah, like he wants the eight year extension. So yeah, I don't know if you can talk him off the like being a 37 year old. I can guarantee you shade Theodore is not looking like a valuable asset at 37 years old. And you know, his name is racing through my brain right now is the 34 year old TJ Brody, who the Leafs signed when he was 30. Right. And you saw it got two and a half awesome years out of it. Right. And he only made five million bucks. Right. Which shade Theodore is not on his next deal. Yeah. And that at 28 again, like spent half the season injured this past season, but no deal is going to be perfect. Nope. It really isn't. And yeah, I know we we we did the thing with Jake Musmer was like, Oh, he's played on the right side a little bit. He's like, he actually has in the playoffs, but she Theodore has like this is not just like some made up thing. No, no, no, like in theory, he plays on the right side. So I mean, you could have a Morgan Riley shaped Theodore top pairing. And yeah, he'd be pretty happy with that. And then you take your five million bucks and savings this season. Yeah. Again, next year, it's not going to be quite that way because the extension is obviously going to be more than he's earning this year. You take that five million bucks and then you go into a free agency and you you splashed it around on some more defense when you remake your blue line with this deal. Yeah, like on the surface, this is not going to blow you away. Logan Thompson of it all is an interesting one too, because this is a guy that's in his late 20s is the numbers have been pretty outstanding throughout the course of his his NHL career. And if your questions are about Laurent Brauss wa that he's only ever played 20 games in the season, at least you got the proof of concept of 40 plus games with Logan Thompson. But I don't think you should go into a season with Joe Wall and Logan Thompson thinking, Oh, we're set. Those guys are it. We're like the bar at the very like the floor is very high with those two. I think there's a real role of the dice with that guy like this is not a perfect deal, but it is informative as to hey, if it's something like this, I don't think we should be surprised. No, I wholeheartedly agree that it's very possible. But you mentioned like how did you feel about Thompson wall? I don't know exactly the same as I'd feel about brass wall. Probably better kind of with Thompson just because of the 40 games playing. It's just so tough with like, I feel I'm starting to feel with the like a vegas gold and night schoolly how I feel about these predator school loops of like, yeah, it's just different though, like they have the biggest nastiest blue line you're not going to be playing behind what you're playing behind. They were injured a lot during the course of the regular season. The numbers were still good for him this regular season, even though they were like kind of a, you know, because they do the L T I R thing where all the guys only come back at the end of the season. No, no, no, they don't do that. It just like happens to work out that way. How how dare you? The other thing I do wonder with this is and I don't think you make a deal with this in mind, but I think all the dots kind of connect together is. And I think the answer to this is he's a very big fan, but how big a fan is Brad your living of Jake McCabe and how much does a possible extension for him kind of play into whatever you do here? If you, if you feel like you need to go get your big fish defense, man, that may be negates the possibility for giving muzzin or sorry, not muzzin McCabe. I think the same guy, but it kind of negates the possibility of giving McCabe the, I don't know, like six ish that he's going to be due on that next deal. But if you try to go with kind of what tree is done on his blue lines in the past, a lot more of four or five guys making five or six million or four to six million somewhere in there, then I do wonder if that kind of leads you into a McCabe extension, which obviously, you know, term dollar matter with the, with the player like that, but I'd be very on board with, you know, you know, how big a fan I am. All right. So how do you feel about a blue line of shaped Theodore and Morgan Riley's your top pairing and then Jake McCabe and I don't know, man, Benny? Uh, no, like you, Chris Tannov as like your second pair and like, yeah, and Simone Ben was your, is on your third pairing. You fill it out. Yeah. Uh, I'd be concerned, but I, I would like it for that year. And then I'd be super concerned, like Chris Tannov is Chris Tannov feels like a bad contract waiting to be signed. And I suppose the argument you're going to make is, well, just put him on LTR and then he's back for the playoffs. Well, I mean, what's the, the, the most optimistic Tannov is about the length of his contract. He's 34 years old. Like, is he getting more than a three year deal? I worry there was a lot of smoke and it's kind of died down, but I mostly think it's just because people don't care about Ottawa that Ottawa was prepared to, you know, make him a pretty big offer of wanting him to be the kind of adult in the room, whatever. And I can see a world where a new Ottawa owner says, Oh no, over my dead body. Well, the Leafs get them and it's an extra year. It's more money. They basically turn into the blue jays of bidding against the Yankees. I could very well see a world where, where that happens. Yeah. I think, again, like the takeaway for me is not that, ah, this is underwhelming. I mean, that's part of it. It's that whatever trade for Mitch Marnie you see happen is going to be underwhelming to some degree. There's no, like, who's the Mitch Marnie that's coming back your way? There isn't one. There's nobody available. That is, no, you're not doing to like, you're not calling Detroit gun that most cider. Yeah. What's he doing? You want to miss me? Yeah. Click. You're not calling Buffalo going, Oh, one power locked up to that nice deal that's going to let him hit UFA at 27 years old or whatever it is. What's he doing? Click. I think that's happening. And not to say that on a one for one, you wouldn't do it, but it's not going to be a one for one. And those teams, I more to think about it. I don't know that Marnie would have any interest in being there, but does that not feel like a like splashy Buffalo move that I'm trying to like reset this for the 8,000th time and like Marnie at the crux of the all face of the franchise? That's because you let their their mutants be their mutants with like, because when we were doing in pretty much, well, it wasn't this time. Yeah, it was actually this time when I was doing Neelander trades last year, I'd cooked up a Taged Thompson Neelander trade. I was also looking at like Keontre Miller, those types of players, but yeah, it's not happening. Would it not be intriguing to see how Mitch Marnie fared in an environment where they're now post season proven, cup champs and disappointed this year, but as the highest paid player on a team that employs Jack Eichl, Mark Stone, like already like his contract is more than Eichl's 10 per two more years and he's going to get a raise. I'm going to make 12, 12 times eight, I guess, as the highest paid player, the guy with all the focus on him on the team that has the war years like, yes, say what you will about Mark Stone's injuries and his inability to and the perfect timing of LTA. Like he did have a last rate of spleen or whatever. Okay, any plays through that in the south of the play in the post season. And here's Mitch Marnier, the savior he's going to be making the most money. So are you talking about the team's perception of the fans in the media? Because I don't think the fans in the media like no enough there to care about that stuff. Quite frankly of like, Oh, he plays it now. But the player perception, it's so real. This is this was always and again, I am not someone who believes it was a problem to sign John Tavares. But if there was one, is that it immediately set a new ceiling on or raise the bar for the internal cap for the team. The reason lightning works so well for so long is because no one was going above stamco. Some of them when they did it was, all right, you get 500k more and then Vash is up next. Okay, you can have 500k more than him. But it was that that's the interesting part of it is how like when you become a team's highest paid player, yeah, the and the talkies. So they'd be saying, oh, yeah, the most correct things, but reading between the lines, sniping on the bench. What's tougher for a player to hear your name in the media and the big scary people with microphones in front of their face saying you're under performed here or like you look over and there's Mark Stone with like half of his abdomen open and like his guts are spilling out on the ice. And he's like, he's racking up points in the postseason. There you are. You're like, you shine away from contact. And he scored a goal or you hadn't assessed but not anywhere near the level of performance you had during the regular season. Like what's tougher for a player to hear us who like what do we know, talk, he'll love you or to look at the other guy who's physically sacrificing himself and has a cup and you're making again the case of stone. I guess like if we're talking about 12 million bucks, yeah, two and a half million more than him. It's not nothing. Yeah, I could easily see a world where allegedly we see somebody screaming what William Nevander allegedly screamed at Mitch Marner on the bench. Allegedly. Yeah, maybe you should stop crying. Maybe you should and maybe it's also not juicer. I don't know. Anyway, it's maybe Mitch Marner is great fodder for us. It's a great topic and we're not done. Boy, we are getting the least might not have like jury out on if they've got their money's worth through the full fledged of that deal. We are 100%. Yeah. And will I will be like a paying of regret or disappointment when it finally is consummated and we'll have like good week discourse after that. Yeah, will I be wistful of the time we had where we could talk about the possibilities? I will. Speaking of things that were perfectly made for Sports Talk radio. Jets mini camp is happening right now. The mini camps across the NFL, which are not like the optional ones. These are mandatory, I guess in quotation marks, but every quarterback, every starting quarterback across the league is at these things. It's only like a week long affair. It's June. But yeah, they're mandatory mini camps. All we got at this point in the season mentioned every starting quarterback is there except for one? Oh, can I guess? Yeah, it's obvious. And this is a story a couple of days ago. Aaron Rodgers in there. And we found out about this a couple of days ago is shocking to some people also. Tyrone Taylor was like thought it was a date. Not the whole mini camp like apparently the Jets, though they knew they were on board. Everything's all good despite it being not excused and it being mandatory. But before we get into this, this is played like Robert Salah from yesterday. So he talked about it at first and then there were more reports later on. And after people gathered information, nobody knows exactly where he is. There's an indication that he's overseas somewhere. Diana Rossini with some bizarro tweet that Aaron Rodgers is skipping all of Jets mandatory mini camp this week because he prefers to be somewhere else away from football. That's his choice, which makes it sound like she's defending him. But it's, I think that's just like matter of fact, like that's his choice. He's choosing not to be a Jets mini camp. He has some report that yeah, it's like kind of a vacation that he booked in advance and like couldn't dare move it for the mandatory mini camp. Anyways, here's Jets head coach Robert Salah. Obviously selfishly want all of them here all the time, but he made decision and that's what he went with. He was here yesterday. So he came, he came through yesterday. He had his physical, he did the multimedia day or the the media day and all that stuff. So he was, but like I said, he had, he had something that was very important to him. And if it's important to him, it's important to us. No, Aaron, Aaron and I are on the exact same page. There's no issue between Aaron or his teammates for that matter. So like I said, we addressed it yesterday. It's not, it's, it's more of an issue for everyone outside the building than it is inside. And that's about it. Yeah, it's good stuff. Robert Salah scared of Aaron Rogers is all that means to me. It's like obviously, obviously he's chosen what he's going to do. And we have two choices here. We could turn this into a bleep storm or we can just try to make it seem as normal as it's ever been for the New York Jets while Aaron Rogers has been. Oh, no question. Bill Belichick would have the same sound bite or some of the hard-nosed coaches like Sean Payton would have had the same thing if Russell Wilson's like, oh, he's just, if it's good for Russell Wilson's good for us. Oh my God. If Sean Payton would have been asked about Russell Wilson and said, good, keep them there. Fire them into the sun. Oh, yeah. God. So this is Aaron Rogers, the same Aaron Rogers who has this quote. If you want to be a winning organization, put yourself in position to win championships and be competitive. Everything you do matters. And the bull bleep that has nothing to do with winning needs to get out of the building. So that'll be the focus why he's not there. That is that is the fella. That's why he's not there, though. That is deciding to continue his European sojourn, maybe instead of being a Jets mini camp. Now, like, okay, for context, sake, it should be said that he attended many optional mini camps prior to this. Yeah, but like that's that's optional. This was obviously going to be news. It's going to be a big story. Yes. Unless it's some family emergency thing, which nobody's indicated that it is. Again, it feels like it's a vacation of some sort, something that was pirely organized that he didn't want to move. Yeah. It's not everything. But man, you can't tell me that this is nothing. This is just an indication of how off the rails this organization is. This is for me, this is more just proof positive of everyone is held to a standard by Aaron Rogers. Then he holds himself to a completely different standard. You read the quote about getting all the BS out of the building. If you want to want to win yada, yada, yada. Isn't infuriating. This is the most me, me, me guy in the most we, we, we sport. Sorry, I wasn't trying to do the dream on green there, but I look at it. And that is the thing that just is infuriating to me about this. It's that he is clearly doing again, if there was teams have a way to message these things, even if they don't want to, like let's just say family emergency, X, Y or Z. And they don't want to say what it is. There's a way to get the word out. And then all the people of notes start saying, Mm, this is different. You can read between the tea leaves pretty quickly. They're not doing any of that. It is just more proof of what a side show this is going to be. And when he performs poorly, cause he's aged and coming off in a killeys tear, it's only going to pour more gasoline on the fire. And honestly, I would just like to, I want to shake your hand. Like thank you, Aaron Rodgers. And honestly, also thank you, Robert Salah, for lying to me and letting me get mad about it. Yeah, it's all great, great stuff. So like, I could, I could understand the defense if Aaron Rodgers were to speak on this. And at some point he's going to be asked to, I would, I would say, unless our memories are so short that we, we've moved on by that point. But I would understand if he came to the microphone, it's like, I don't care what your perception of me is, like all I care about is the guys inside the room. What he should care about is like putting his head coach in that situation where like consecutive days, he has to answer it and tie a retailer who like, yes, I guess I'm getting the first team reps here who didn't even know until the last second. It's like, yeah, okay, again, like it's more important that you perform on the field and you do perform at a high level despite coming off the pretty significant injury at an age that anybody other than Tom Brady isn't shown capable of performing at. But yeah, it's good stuff. And it's obvious. It's the most obvious story that has happened in sports, really, this calendar year feels like. Yeah, he is Aaron Rodgers is the king of Leave Me Alone. Look at me. And we're just, this is the latest example of it. When we come back, looking at Tiger Woods about to tee it up, the US Open, we'll talk to Joe House of the Fairway Roland podcast on the Ringer. Next is the fan morning show, continues Ben and us Brent Gunning Sportsnet 590, the fan. Unrivaled insight, analysis, and opinions on all things Blue Jays, Blair and Barker, be sure to subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Scotty Jeffler, Rory McElroy, it's the fan morning show Sportsnet 590, the fan Ben and us Brent Gunning US Open underway at a very crispy US Open, Pinehurst number two. We've already seen some wild stuff on the grains. Tiger Woods just teed off right down the middle. Yeah, Tiger back. Well, and I was about to say quick teapull, but that does not happen anymore. Everything is very slow and deliberate other than that hellacious seed. You don't hear about Pinehurst being very hilly, right? Is it like is it an easier walker lies? You would hear that. Okay, but like it's not a gusto. We were talking about like the arduous trek. No, but you do have to like you have to make the summit that is these turtle back greens. That's the only climbing. But yeah, it's not like Riviera, you're going to get hills to climb everywhere. No. All right, let's talk to Joe House of the Fairway Roland podcast on the Ringer podcast network. How's it going, Joe? Well, it's fantastic. I have a little bit of insider experience there at Pinehurst. I've been fortunate enough to play it. I will say the assessment is on the money. It is a pretty easy walk. It's not big hills anywhere. It's just long and you know, having to concentrate for however long it takes, it took me five hours to get around that joint. Okay, that's the real challenge. Okay, that's actually I'm so happy you mentioned that you've played because the whole time and my poor co-host just has to listen to me. I don't know, like blather on about the US Open for basically this from the moment the previous golf a major ends. I'm just prepping myself for the next one. And my prevailing thought leading up to Pinehurst, especially as we see more visuals of it is obviously you would take the chance to play any major venue. Forgot just US Open. But was that particularly fun? Because that looks like zero amounts of fun out there to play Pinehurst like everything is a challenge. You talk about the mental grind and like that's part of golf. But God, there's got to be a breaking point again. I'd gladly do it. I would gladly take the opportunity to. But it feels like it'd be zero fun to play Pinehurst number two. So here's the thing. Those folks really have it dialed in in terms of creating an experience for resort guests, folks that come in off the street where they want you to experience what it's like to be on those hallowed grounds. But they're not trying to punch you in the face. So they put the pins in places you're allowed to ground your golf club in all of the sand all the way up to the bunkers. So like, you know, I was so happy. I shot around 90. Now I'm a double digit handicap. But I was stoked that they were they put the pins in benign places. They're not trying to have you leave there and say that you never want to come back. They want to make money. So they did a very good job. It's the once in a lifetime kind of experience putting on those things the first time you go around. So you know, they expect that you're going to be on those greens for a little while. But they put the pins in fair enough places. It was a great experience. Yeah, I imagine they weren't cut quite the same way the greens weren't then that they are this week because man, some of the viral video is coming out of out of this week has been not so not so it's just ridiculous. Like there's areas of the green where you if you drop a ball just like straight vertical, it not only rolls off the green like rolls into like onto another planet. It looks like anyways. Yeah, we're going to have a take on that like I can't get enough of those videos by the way. Well, all you have to do is turn it on right now. We already see guys coming all the way back down past their feet. We missed guys on the golf course. We already have a triple bogey on what is supposed to be one of the easiest holes in the course, which is number 10. I mean, it's amazing. I just can't wait for this. Yeah. So who does does that favor anyone in particular? Does it actually favor somebody whose strength is not necessarily putting because it evens the field that way there is that that theory. But you know, if we're going to talk about favorite, there's only one favorite. It's the guy with five wins in his last eight golf tournament. He has a chance to become the sixth golfer since 1950 to win both the Masters in the US Open. The only entity that might be able to stop Scotty Sheffler this week is the Pinehurst North Carolina Police Department. We haven't you know, we tried to do our research this week to see if they have, you know, any any traffic cops that are part of the force that are going to try and get in his way. But other than that, it's got a shepherd's got a shepherd's got a shepler. You know, I, you know, we know gambling is so prevalent these days. It's like I did anyone bother to check in if that Louisville cop had a missed cut bet for Sheffler. I feel like that would have paid pretty heavily. So I don't know. You mentioned that there and it got me thinking, Sheffler is the story of this tournament. He's the story of every tournament until he kind of stops being this. What do you think a US Open win would do? Would it change? Because it's not there's nothing that changes our minds, but there's also he's so far away from being still in my opinion. Anyways, kind of peak tiger just because of the longevity of it all. It feels like he is in this kind of middle spot where he could keep stacking wins and have amazing seasons. And look, if he goes and wins three majors in a year, obviously talk about that in hallowed tones, but he kind of feels like he is in this mushy middle spot where everything he accomplishes is just another log on the fire. But the fire is still so much less bright than the guy we still remember who's still in the field in Tiger Woods. Sheffler feels like he's kind of in this odd spot in his career right now. Well, I mean, he is still relatively young, but your point is the right one. There is the temptation anytime a guy gets hot and starts stringing together majors to start comparing him to the all time. Great. And for Scotty, the quality of his play over these past two years, the kind of ball striking, he's in some some atmospherics in the way of the advanced analytics that have him only in Tiger's company in terms of the quality of shot number of times he's getting greens and regulation and his proximity to the whole stuff. So that's why you hear Tiger's name, but it is preposterous because Tiger did it for you know, 20 plus years that to make any kind of comparison to Tiger. You know, we've all been on these hot streaks, we've seen these hot streaks before, you know, Brooks Kepka won, you know, like four majors in two and a half, three years. Jason Day had an incredible season with like seven wins in the major in there. But yeah, so, you know, the thing that will separate Scotty is if he can put another major that's not the masters on that list. Like the guys are Ben Hogan, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nick with Tiger Woods at Jordan speed. Those are your guys who've won a master's in the US Open in the same season. Decent club. Yeah, it's all right. Is there any legitimizing of the is PGA tour records that he needs to do here because we know that the field of great golfers has been split in half with the live guys that it's yeah, he doesn't really have a guy that's nipping at his heels like a John Rahm, who's yeah, obviously since he took the money, not been as good. But like, yes, some of the best players in the world do not play on the PGA tour. And you know, also, you know, he's racking up five PGA tour victories. A couple of those are signature events with no cuts and limited field as well. Do you feel anyway about him needing to legitimize what has been an unreal run on the PGA tour? No, I'm not going to put any kind of a asterisk in X to the accomplishment. I mean, he's beating whoever is put in front of him. It's not that dissimilar to me from, you know, trying to contextualize the Boston Celtics run in the NBA playoff where they played a bunch of teams at the East Conference. They were depleted because their best players were hurt, right? They got to play the Miami Heat without Jimmy Butler and they got to play the Pacers without Tyree Talbert. I mean, you are doing that. You are doing that. Like you're saying you're not doing you just did. Well, I'll offer you this as well. If you want, like Simmons isn't here, you could say anything you want about the Celtics. I've met them in the win series and, you know, they're going to watch the series. I don't know what to tell you. You're the best team. No, you're not wrong. We did that for our entire first block today of just like how in the moment we're all going to do the thing of, well, remember this series. Remember that series? The farther and farther we get away from it, it'll be a run where they had two three losses throughout the series and it'll be kind of looked at as such. You mentioned Kepka and one of your previous answers. He feels to me like if Scotty Scheffler isn't going to win this thing, Brooks Kepka feels like the most likely guy to me. This is the guy who won the last May or the last US Open that finished it over par. He was the winner there. He's had the quote in the past about, oh, the majors are the easiest because none of these guys can handle the pressure of this. If it is a US Open that's going to finish somewhere around even par or, you know, even a one under two under final score, I feel like Kepka could be the kind of perfect guy to kind of hold the fort if it's if it is a weekend like that. Yeah, I love Kepka this week. And you mentioned the last time the winning score was around par. That's exactly the framework that I think about Kepka in, you know, he wanted Shinnecock in 20 18 where par over par, you know, got him across the goal line. And you know, this golf course is going to be more than anything else a mental challenge, you know, for the four days and the grind of it. I mean, I talked about my own five hour round. I don't, I think these guys are going to be out there for a long time. And it is hot down there getting hotter. So you're, you're just, you need somebody that's got that dog in them. And we don't have it like a ton of guys when you go down that list, you feel comfortable enough, confident that that got that dog. The biggest question with Kepka is, you know, where is this game? There's no real measuring stick because of the fact that he plays on on live. We were bullish about him going into both the masters and the PGA championship, especially the PGA championship. But he didn't really, you know, impress the US Open is its own unique kind of thing. And like I said, you need somebody that's ready to just go flight to the nail. And I like that guy as much as anybody for under that, that kind of framework. We lost Xander Schofle as the guy who was not in his early twenties, but was really, really good and high up the world golf rankings who had yet to win a major. He got his PGA. I mean, who do we have somebody who's like his heir apparent? Like, who's the best not to win a major? And like, it doesn't, like, Auburn doesn't count because he's a child. Like, who is who's the best he yet to win a major? I'm sorry to do this, but it's wet fart Patrick Kelly. I mean, 100% Mr. West fart himself. He has been around the hoop, you know, with some quality wins. But he doesn't show up in majors. I mean, I guess if you want to say Max Homer, because Homer's just kind of new to the major stage playing well in majors finally, but he's only really been good for about five years now. Can't leave been good for longer. Can't lay has a US amateur, you know, on his resume. So I guess you would say can't lay, but you know, it's not really that nobody's going to be surprised because his entire career doesn't want to make sure at least I won't be. Yeah, I certainly will. It won't either. I mean, I guess I'm just kind of quickly perusing the top 10 like Hovland is the other guy, but that just seems so unfair. How old is he? Yeah, mid 20s. It's 26 at the absolute oldest, right? It's just it's crazy how differently we think about this because a decade ago we'd go 26 year old Victor Hovland. How dare you suggest he's even ready to do this, let alone he's on the clock for not having one yet. It's just crazy how the time kind of or the timeline has has changed in in pro golf. One one other guy got to get your opinion on Bryson. He is one of US open before very different venue. I believe it was wingfoot he won at as old school as a country club as it gets. Pinehurst obviously super different feel. I loved having him back in the mix at the PGA. But I really feel like this is not the venue for him. Where are you out on Bryson heading into this week? So Bryson is a hard kind of handicap because the thing that really opened my eyes, the revelation that has come this year was his performance at Augusta. And you know, that's a place that he previously was kind of cavalier about. You know, he walked in. He he's famous for the quote. This is a par 68 for me. Yeah, because I expect to bro, but Bernie, every one of the par fives are all birdieable. And then he, you know, the previous couple years here, he had a hard time making the cut and Augusta is a place that requires an artistry requires lots and lots of loops. You know, you got to kind of get the new nuance of that place. And it didn't seem like the art part was ever going to make sense to his scientific brain. Well, lo and behold, he comes out. He finishes tied for six. He was on the leaderboard the entire tournament. And that for me was kind of an eye opener because it suggested that Bryson might finally be be getting out of his own way. The other thing that that with with Bryson, we saw at the PGA championship the dude loves the limelight. And he is very much enjoying being back on the big stage, doing, you know, he understands the entertainment sort of aspect of this. It really is a television show. So let's let's have some some interesting TV. He's up for it. And so I don't I, you know, I couldn't find lots of evidence of him playing Pinehurst. Pinehurst is that is to be similar to Augusta in that you just got to get your reps. You got to get the loops. And he was out grinding all all weeks. You know, the reports I heard on the green complexes, which is the correct place for him because the place represents no challenge whatsoever for in terms of like he can miss fairways and still get get to the green. There's no rough to hack out of. You just have to catch a good break and not end up in the middle one of those wire brushes. But if he can figure out a way to safety around the greens, I think he's he's live this week. I'm not prepared to dismiss them. Yeah, me neither. I man, I can't wait to watch these guys struggle on this golf course just saw Will's Alatoras from 56 yards out in the middle of the fairway. Just yeah, he's 50 yards off the green. But he landed it in the middle of the green, like 10 feet short of the pin and it still rolled off the back house. We appreciate your time. But like, we have to free you from the shackles of us. So you can now enjoy this as well. Yeah, you're free. Love you guys. Anytime appreciate it. Thanks, Joe. There's Joe House, fairway role and podcast on the ringer. Yeah, I don't know who could have the opposite opinion that like, I don't want to think the guys struggle. Like it's we know how amazing it is that they're able to carve out an even par round on this golf course the way it's playing right. Can I ask you if there is a too far? Like, because okay, so the famous from last time it was one over par was Phil Mickelson hitting a moving ball on the green because he had just had enough now again. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that was too far. I thought that was amazing. Yeah, do you have a point? Like if the finishing score of this thing was 10 over par. You good with that? Yeah, I'm fine. Okay, I don't know until I see it because they're you want to see somebody make a golf shot at some point. No, but you know, it's so stupid. We're like, well, 10 over or, you know, like what 73 it's like parts just a made up contract. We just decide what the average score should be or the ideal score should be on the whole. We just changed the number and like all the par fives are now par sixes and all the par fours are like, okay, then we can have a number that looks like negative, whatever. You're not wrong. This is stupid. No, and it's again, it takes incredible shot making at this golf course to shoot even par. Very true. So who cares? Yeah, for a second when we asked him who the like guy on the clock was and he started to say sorry, I thought he was going to do a Canadian. I thought he was two and I was like, Corey Connor's like, really? I was going to be so honored that he thought of us that way. And then it's like Patrick. Caitlin is like, Oh, yeah, everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We all know Patrick. Can't lay. Okay. Yeah, good. He's a no, and it's like even he knows like to say it's your socks. Sorry. It's the right one. I was sorry. I was going to ask him when we just kind of ran out of time and I didn't know if we would have listed a very good answer. But it's like, I'll give you one. But you're the wrong. I can't ask. I'll ask you this question because I was going to ask him as a non Canadian. Do any of the Canadians move the needle at all for you? Like none of them have big personalities. Let's just be straight up with that like none of them. The closest we got is Adam Hadwin and his wife is a great tweeter. I haven't heard anything from Adam himself that makes me think, well, there isn't a real interesting to end the fact that he's like best buds with Nick Taylor would lead you down to the path of believing that like, yeah, probably not a ton there. The two closest guys to like real human beings of like is Mac Hughes and Taylor Pendrith. I think they're the most with some there there. Yeah, but I will also say that that that Taylor moment and then him following it up with like a legit win at Scottsdale. I think he has some cache. I think it's like the level of cache that your standard good tour player has. But I don't. But I think that that was such a golf is a sport where outside of the majors. We just do not see moments like that. And that was a major to him. And you saw it and people really responded to that. I do think Taylor holds a little bit of that. Like, is there a single person that has no connection to this country that's like their favorite golfer is Nick Taylor. Obviously, obviously, obviously not. But it's like, is there a single person who's not from Will's Al Torres is homeland hometown? I like Will's Alator. I've heard him on podcast. I I'm rooting for I think he's an interesting funny dude. Like I I'm down with Will's Alatoris. Yeah, I think this is just you're like you like want to like something else. It's like you're not giving the Canadians their proper data. I don't know. I don't I've heard like I've heard the Al Torres on pods. Well, I never thought of them as like a overly interesting guy. I think they're all kind of duddy. Honestly, it's what we're getting at. I don't know. No offense any of those guys and feel free to like pick up the phone and give us a call and join us anytime. I talk to plenty of them. Yeah, I've and you do it when you have to. But I'm telling you, no, no, these guys are like hosting their own talk show, the conclusion of their playing career. You know, Mac, he was at the closes and he is engaging and you can talk Leafs with them. You could talk Leafs to them. He'll give you an awesome answer on the story of the game. Matt. Yeah. So put some respect on Mac. He said, and Taylor Penderith had a funny line about how he prepared for his first win. He said, man, watch the Leafs lose and go to bed regular night. Come on. That's funny. Come on. That's funny. Adam had one on the tee now at the US Open. Anyways, we can't do play by police. Let's stop talking. I didn't say he where he hit it or if he hit it at all. I know. Maybe he walked off the golf course. All right. Got smoked by a security guard. Time now for the waken rake presented by sports interaction, your homegrown sports book 19 plus bet responsibly hockey night in Canada on a sports net and a CBC is the Oilers trailing the Panthers. One or two games to none in the Stanley Cup final as the series shifting to Edmonton tonight for game three. And it is the Oilers favorite at minus one 35. The Panthers plus one 15, the total five and a half year Brent. I like one of the parlays they have cooked up the Zach attack plus five 50. I'm into score a goal. Oilers by one and a half. I think that is a pretty likely recipe for this game. Zach's do the recipe to getting going is getting in Browski's kitchen. I like that that one there. That is a that's an exciting parlay to me. 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