Dan and Sat debate whether bringing in Patrik Laine, using the draft as a pressure point for Filip Hronek, and much more is overrated or underrated!
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[MUSIC] We're back on Canucks Central at Stanaricho, Satyar Shah, in the Kintek Studio. Kintek Canada's favorite orthotics provider, powered by thousands, thousands, of five star Google reviews, Zorfi, what are you waiting for? >> It is a Wednesday here on Canucks Central. So I'm hopeful that there are not a lot of water bottle related, overrated, underrated submissions. >> You're just asking for it. >> Maybe, I mean, we had so many last week. >> If there weren't any. >> There weren't any before, there will be some now. They will now come in at the 65650 Dunbar Lumber text messaging box. We may indulge, we'll see. Hit the music. [MUSIC] Feel like, is it ravishing Rick Roode that always used to say cut the music? >> Cut the music. >> Yeah, and I say hit the music. It's the only time I could feel like ravishing Rick Roode. All right, let's get to- >> I don't know who that is. >> Of course, you don't know who that is. >> Josh, I mean, Costa knows though. >> Yes. >> Costa is one of the greatest wrestling bodies you'll ever see. >> I love it, see? >> Costa knows what's up. >> Why he was ravishing, you know? >> Right, right. >> Sure, no, I got it. All right, let's get to some submissions. >> We'll start with this one, Justin and East Van. Patrick Lining as a winger for Elias Patterson, overrated or underrated. >> I mean, I'm not sure I'm for the trade. It is an underrated, like I think my initial reaction is like, no, it's kind of like kombucha girl, you know what I mean? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You got a chuckle at the end? >> Yes, I don't know. >> We'll figure it out maybe. But like, it's tantalizing. If he figures his stuff out, right? If he's on a better path mentally and if his, you know, motivation and the determination is there, you're talking about a potential 50, 60 goal scoring talent. >> Yes, he's as good a goal score as there is in the league, pure talent wise. >> Mm-hm. >> And he's not that old. >> No, he is still the ripe age of 26, just turned 26. So he's going, this will be his age 26 season, right? >> So like, dismissing him comes with a risk of, in a couple of years, him going somewhere and exploding and people looking at it as like, feel we're scared to trade for this guy? >> Now, he was and played just 18 games this past year. But the two years prior in Columbus, I don't think people realize this. He was essentially a point per game player, just shy of a point per game player. Played all 56 games in the weird Wacko, you know, north division season. And then 55 games the next year, 52 points in those games. It was over 20 goals in each of those seasons. So that easily puts him over a 30 goal pace in those years. As far as like finding a goal scorer for Elias Patterson, it works in theory. It works. And the other thing that I like about it is, this guy's two years out from unrestricted free agents. If he wants another big contract, I mean, he's made a lot of money in his career already, and we'll close out this contract making another big chunk of change. But there's got to be some motivation to hit another big contract. There's a lot of talent there. We know he's been through some things. You hope he's come out on the other side. I would say it's underrated as an option, but likely something that's too expensive for me to live in that reality. So for now, it'll be just an NHL 24 experiment. Yeah, I know like a different team, like if I'm, for instance, you know how, well, I guess Chicago was worried about Bedard having the right environment and all that around him. But like, if you're a team that's in transition or building, like that's the type of team that should take a flyer on him. Yeah. Next one comes from Woodrow using the draft as a pressure point to sign or trade, Phillip her own. I think it's like your only option. So it's underrated, right? Yeah. It is the biggest pressure point, right? For the Canucks, it's like, I don't want to say similar to what they did with Elias Petterson, but you know, they, they pulled the trade card with Elias Petterson around the deadline and was like, hey, you know, if we don't have an idea of what you're thinking, we have to seriously consider this as an option for our hockey club. And it would be similar for Philopronic when you get to the draft because as I've said yesterday and we talked about even earlier today, it's just not an option to go to arbitration and have Philopronic on an expiring contract for next season. No, and the Canucks, we talk about their need to hold on to their assets or at least move their assets and get value back in return. They don't have enough. And you, you, you're not in a position where the Canucks are so all in on winning the Stanley Cup next season that you're okay with him leaving as a free agent. Yeah. I think you can have that posture. It's one thing to like, had trade as, for Lindholm as a rental and another thing for the, the, this maneuvering that they've done with, with Philopronic. And it gets messy when you go into the season and it's like, okay, are you trading him? Are you keeping him? And if you're not going to keep him, you know, if you haven't figured out a contract and he goes to arbitration, what's the chances of you figuring out figuring out an extension afterwards? Because it's going to be one of two things. Either a, he plays so well that he emboldens his desire to get what he wants or he plays so poorly that the Canucks may not even want him at the lower number. Yeah. Right. So it's, it doesn't look like you're going to be together beyond next season, like if you go to arbitration, right? Now things can happen, but it looks very unlikely for that to be the case. And the Canucks are not in a position to let him walk for nothing. They just can't let him walk for nothing. And because this has been, um, I mean, a negotiation that's played out quite a bit in the media, right, whether it's first Frank Sarah Valley, floating the, he's not signing for less than an eight and then Patrick Colvin coming on our show and saying, we've made a very fair contract offer, something we think is very fair. And then it being complete silence, basically since then, you know, it, it sort of shows that both sides are holding firm currently on what they think the valuation is of what the next contract should be. And so look, at the end of the day, if you're Philopronica and you're out willing to play ball to come down a little bit from your very high mark on what you're expecting, it kind of tells me that you're only willing to stay in Vancouver for a certain price because it's as we've talked about, maybe on the high end of what he should be as a player, considering what his other comparables are around the league. Hasan from Burnaby, starting the season under the salary cap, overrated or underrated? Oh, super underrated, super underrated, super underrated. A lot of teams don't do it and haven't been able to do it in the flat cap world, but now with the cap going up over the next couple of years, it certainly should be an option. It's one I think the Canucks for sure would prefer, but one that's unlikely to happen because they still have Tucker Pullman on the books. Yeah, and I think the resisting the urge to dip into that LTIR pool, I think is going to be difficult because as we were doing the calculations in the first segment, that was including the extra two and a half million for Tucker Pullman. So you see, you kind of need that extra two and a half million to fill out this roster. So it's very difficult for this team to be under the cap because of the Pullman situation, but it is underrated because you can accrue cap space on a daily basis. So if you even have a million dollars worth of cap space heading into this season, that can be upwards of five to six million at the trade deadline, if not more depending on how you handle your roster as the season goes on. That's significant. And we saw the deadline this past year, how many teams had five or six million? It was like a handful of teams? No. Like actual buyers was like two or three teams. Everybody had to move money out to make trades. It's basically why Nashville was able to get Jason Zooker for absolutely nothing, right? Because they were the only team that could afford the contract. Next one comes from Brad in Vernon, a two nothing series lead in the Stanley Cup final. Oh, Brad. Brad, what are you doing here, Brad? I mean, everyone's, everyone's assuming the series is over. I'd be careful with that. Yeah. I think careful with that. Because it's overrated. It's underrated. It's overrated. It's overrated. It's overrated. Yeah. Overrated. Brad is a, I feel like maybe I'm just a pessimist, a pessimist, but I feel like Brad is probably a Canucks fan if he's submitting things to Canucks Central and is still has some open wounds about 2011. Yeah. But it's probably overrated. Like it's jobs not done until it's done. Is any Canucks fan going to say that this is underrated? No. Yeah. That's my point. It's impossible. The wounds are still open. They're still blood coming. It's overrated. Next one, Ryan from Pemberton. Overrated, underrated. Pedersen's contract will be the biggest blunder under Alvin and Rutherford's tenure. These takes are so overrated and I can't wait for them to age poorly. And I am like so sure of it too, like it's going to be really funny that within a year some of these takes will look so ridiculous. How long before Pedersen's contract looks like a bargain against the salary cap? Like I don't think we're talking about something that's that long. I almost had a water spill. I got it on my shirt a little bit. I didn't actually dip it all over. I'm trying to be the professional one here. You are. I'm trying to return the favor after you did that last week. Yes. It wasn't much of a spill. That was like a drop in my shirt. Yeah. That's spitting up water here. But how long is it before Pedersen's contract looks like a bargain? You know, I had the take when they signed the deal like this is they signed him for below market value. What if he could have really commanded and I know it doesn't look like that with the way that he played at the end of the season. But you're at a point now where the salary cap is 88 million. It's going to be north of 92 million next season. So now we're talking about a contract that you know it's getting closer to being 10% of the salary cap sort of by the midway mark of the life of the contract that will probably be around that range with the way revenues are growing in the NHL. So you know if you have a latest Pedersen for 10% of the cap while he's still in the prime years of his career that is 100% a win for the organization. I don't know how else to tell you this. So let's say when is he going to be a bargain. Let's put the number at two and a half years or do you take the over or under. I would take I'm going to take the under on that. Yeah, that's like two more full seasons and a bit into a third season. I think that's when that contract is going to look good. Like if you look at it and say okay that that contract looks a lot better now in comparison to what people felt and I just feel like the the Pedersen and I get it he looked really bad and all that but everyone needs to chill. You know one of the reasons the the leaf contracts aged not like kind of poorly especially the Mitch Marner one if the captain go up like after they signed them they were yeah those guys like Matthews Marner even Tavares to a certain extent like they signed those contracts expecting for the salary cap to go up and it didn't go up at all. No teams cap plan blew up as badly as Toronto's did because of the pandemic because they were they were making excuses for the leaves. It's just a reality. No yeah because like they went so heavily into all those big players right and as soon as a cap stagnated they were screwed because they were they were baking in their projections that okay in two three years this is how we're going to overcome this and that never happened. Yeah now you know that's why you got to be careful too with how much money you had out you hand out but it's like once in a century event had to happen right. Yes a worldwide pandemic had to happen for this to to stop the leaps. Basketball Phil asking prospects for their uber rating at the combine overrated or underrated. I mean I honestly say underrated because I think that type of stuff says a lot about your demeanor with strangers and it's a really simple way of tracking it right and you know if you're late a lot if you're rude to them and stuff like that like you know it'll it'll show up I think it's underrated like I think it's something that you can't square them out of yes if you're if it's bad like you kind of so why is it bad it's I'm tardy and I'm rude I gotta mature so my well this guy's a bad tipper can't trust him now we're on that put them on the do not draft list what's a bad tipper though like is they only only paid 15% or like you paid 5% the reason I thought this was overrated at first and I still think this actually how many ubers are you taking before your 18th birthday I'd say quite a bit nowadays I guess I don't even know if you're able to are you know like because you wouldn't be able to have your own credit card right well no but your parents can be set up through your parents or Apple pay or something like that like their stuff you can do I don't know what how you know I'm not sure you're allowed to take an uber if you're kid right like I mean I I lived a pretty boring suburban life growing up at that age through high school right and I wasn't like a junior hockey player going around and living with a billet family or whatever but it's I don't know I just I'm curious like how many ubers are you taking before you really become an adult I think you know it's one of those things that there's so many things that now track our behavior yeah and it's becomes fair game okay wait wait to get black mirror on us over here it is it's your behavior is tracked what are what are your guys uber ratings mine I really don't know I honestly like I don't take very many ubers I'll be on even now I'm a five star guy five I don't mean to break actually you're a five point oh I'm a four point nine six yeah you're washed yeah I don't even know why like oh I'm a four nine three oh my four nine six so yes therefore I would go first overall uber rating draft yeah Josh is going first overall wow you're just built different Josh thank you thank you just polite I guess obviously you guys aren't that you're four point nine three honestly like I will say I find if I can get a cab cabs are often cheaper than ubers now do you guys notice this I honestly I don't even like put in the effort to look for a cab so I have no idea it depends on the time that you're looking to take the uber right because you can look at it at one point it's like 30 bucks and then 45 minutes later it's sixty five dollars so it really depends like if I'm if I'm taking an uber like if I'm need a cab from my place I'm usually calling an uber because I'm never gonna be able to like hail down a cab in front of my spot but if I'm downtown somewhere it's a lot easier to just find like a cabs roll and buy like yeah I'll take you when I do that from home from Canucks games a lot yeah when I was in Arizona they have waymos have you guys heard of these no no they are the automated driving also like a driverless car driverless car not only are they cheaper than ubers you don't have to worry about bad rating coming down to the robots gonna gonna judge your etiquette yeah but they're pretty this guy farted in the back seat yeah two stars two stars yeah I mean some stuff you gotta be careful with certain things right like I you know my mind rating is a four point nine six yeah but I have no idea why it should be five point oh I think yeah but I don't know what the point you should be a five star I feel like it should be cuz I've never late I always give a tip yes I don't not rude usually not rude I feel like I've because I don't take uber admitting here I don't take uber often there are times where I've forgotten to tip oh yes me tell you have maybe open the app like a week later yeah you can still tip it though if it comes up yeah yeah I do I'm like oh man I feel bad I didn't tip this guy like now it's like a week later think there's your three dollars sorry about that next one Austin and Langley Twitter hiding likes overrated or underrated I mean I'm fine with it some people are going to love that yeah privacy I think it's better to have privacy yes I've had people like you know before mentioned like DM me about like I saw you like something I'm like what so why did you like this person's tweet yes so what I've always been so worried that I would accidentally like the one tweet cuz you like you swipe him with the right thumb or whatever and it's right over the like button yeah that's my fear yeah well I mean I used to like they're like some that don't care very much at all for what they like what they like yeah and maybe don't even realize that other people can see their likes those people are now are now safe good for them they're safe I wonder if it's still is going to pop up on like your for you pay or side of Twitter where it's like this person like this tweet yeah yeah well that I don't know I don't know like there are athletes that I'm sure are really happy about this yeah yeah a lot of war a lot of war I mean I'm generally okay with truly oh wait no that was a problem but Twitter's also been around for a long time well it's something you may have liked it sixteen years old might be very different from something you'd like now just throw on that out there true this one from Vicki attendance at NFL's mandatory minicamp and an added footnote especially for Aaron Rodgers in excused absence I think it's generally overrated minicamp yeah overrated yeah minicamps underrated man I don't know what you guys are talking about I mean I can't say I have a firm opinion like it's okay we talk about being prepared right what do we talk about with this connect team yeah off season work training camp right and Rodgers is too good man he doesn't he doesn't need to be prepared he doesn't need to like grow chemistry with his wide receivers he got plenty of playing time with them last year right before yeah well he knows everything yeah so you know but I mean to me it's like it's underrated minicamps underrated like it's you install your offense there's always moving parts to your offense every year your defense same thing especially new coordinators they're always new players work chemistry with your guys and your team get to know them a bit more it's underrated it's a it's a way for you to prepare for the season how's it overrated I would sit here and talk about how the connection we have to be serious and dedicated and where there's like scoffing at you know mandatory minicamps mandatory minicamp come on learn the playbook I get huge for new players and veterans to veterans to yeah I think so but Aaron Rodgers you know he's a spring chicken knows everything about the game well this one from Munn pinehurst number two overrated it looks impeccable but it also looks like a disaster like I think this every year with the with the US open overrated the way that they try to make the golf course like a video game yeah but like in a bad way like they create something that is just nothing like you would ever see oh we're just gonna make this next to impossible for these guys to actually play it's gonna funnel away from the hole it's gonna be at the top of the hill that's where we're gonna put the pin it's so wild like some of the videos I've seen from like pinehurst and guys practicing there it's like you're trying to put up a hill to the hole and it's like it's impossible to keep the putt on the top of the hill it just rolls back down like what are you supposed to do sink it and these are the best players in the world sink it can't even lag putt it's like you got a sink it or you're done I don't like the waste bunkers you know yeah bunkers with a bunch of weeds in them that being said I would 100% want to play pinehurst number two oh for sure sure under regular conditions not US open conditions I would like to play it under US open conditions you would be super frustrating yeah but it would be fun first one you would need like I don't think you would be you would just lose balls like in the rough yeah you know you would need spotters on the course for you to find your ball in the rough I would be employing the my my golf rule of hey if I know it didn't go out of bounds but I just can't find it because nobody's here I'm not taking a drive I'm just putting a ball down where I think it was yes not taking a penalty no okay that's my rule man I know I haven't enforced it on you either no no we just kind of play that way anyways right I think you kind of know when your ball is lost exactly when you can't find it yeah but if it's like lost near a forest it's like okay maybe take a drop yes well you also don't want to be the guy who's spending like you know 15 minutes looking for his balls keep things moving like if it went in the trees and you're like I know it went like in this part of the trees it's like yeah well still in the trees so it's a penalty you just can't find next one Furiosa overrated or underrated underrated I really liked it so I watched I hadn't watched Fury Road until last night and I watched that that was great yeah and then immediately after I went to the theater and watched Furiosa and I thought it was even better so I'm gonna say underrated underrated all right like I've seen people obviously it hasn't done great at the movies but I've heard people talk about how it's actually a really good movie and people should give it a chance so maybe Josh is on to something it's like I don't know kids these days don't like movies it's wild to me it's this one's weird too because it's like part of a franchise yeah and people like the last one yep I don't know what it is about it to be honest like I wasn't super interested in it either I thought Anna Taylor Joy is like you know she's a she's a draw is she not is she I don't know if she's enough of a draw but I like I wasn't super into it mainly because I hadn't watched Fury Road so I was like I don't need to watch this one but then my friend who is super into movies he was like hey you gotta watch this it's great I don't regret it very underrated all right I want to see it now you know what I love about the Mad Max universe though it's like it's barren wasteland you know the world is is essentially dead nothing grows anywhere all this stuff whatever but everybody's got these decked out cars it's like they haven't figured out how to not be able to make car parts in this barren wasteland they can still make these like sick dune buggies and massive trucks picking up scraps and stuff I love it is funny it's like all of a sudden this shiny beautiful calm and they're not shiny but they do have some like pretty rad cars yes they're they're not like beautiful cars but they're like very very much go with the aesthetic of the movie yeah mad Max Fury Road is like just non-stop action it's great I'm a big Tom Hardy guy yeah Tom Hardy every movie he's like I'm just gonna do a funny voice it's gonna be different funny boys but I'm gonna do a funny voice do you like venom are you excited for the the final venom I actually watched those both of them a couple of course you're a Marvel guy well I hadn't watched them until a couple weeks ago I didn't mind the first one I thought it was possible whatever second one I thought was bad so I'm not really looking forward to the third generally to me like going to the theater is very underrated love going to the movie theater yeah like you know I'm basically keeping cineplex in in business and you guys know how much I love popcorn a movie theater popcorn is like the best popcorn I went to watch bad boys last night you did you watch bad boys - yeah she night Tuesday right or so it's like ride or die with with Will Smith Martin Lawrence was it good overrated underrated I mean they're they're living off the franchise right this is what I say it was bad I find I would say it was terrible but it was cheesy at points like Martin Lawrence is kind of getting up there a little bit there were some funny moments but yeah it was wasn't as good as the first two I find I finally watched bad boys from bad boys for life yes okay yeah I love the first bad boys well the second one was really yeah the second one was good - I never watched wow that's like unthinkable I mean they probably dropped before Josh was born so here we are I just feel old about it bad boys won I'm gonna say like late 90s I'm looking at it yeah so the first one came out in 1995 I was not born yet not even late 90s mid 90s bad boys to came out 2003 I was five yeah they had a lot of space between their sequels eight years and then whatever it was for it's like almost 20 years for for bad boys for life anyways alright I will end with this one creamy ninja creamy oh my god I'm I don't I don't know like what to say this is like maybe the best purchase I've ever made in my life so you are now the ice cream man you're mentioning this yesterday and he's like sending us like gifts of his ice cream he's like scooping out these like beautiful scoops of ice cream it's so soft and perfect I will say the one word to describe it was creamy it's wild man like you buy this machine and all you have to do is throw like milk and protein powder together and you get like the greatest ice cream of all time it seems like a bit of and it's healthier ice cream yeah the only thing that I know what ingredients are going in there the only thing that's dissuading me is the size of it yes you told me it's not the smallest thing it's yeah it's kind of like the size of the camera here in the studio and if you live a little maybe maybe a little thinner and if you live in a condo in Vancouver you realize that countertop space I mean just square footage if you like having clean countertops tough tough to have a ninja cream we've seen sats countertops and videos when he's doing Kipper and Born and stuff yeah those are cleaned I mean I'm a room for anything my place is pretty tidy at all times yeah I'm sure you guys are shocked but yeah I don't like clutter but I get to make ice cream every night now and it is it's pretty wild like today before the show I went to the store to get some mixins so I'm going to throw some Reese's peanut butter cups into my ice cream tonight what a life you live I know is there anything better than Reese's peanut butter cups and an ice cream I don't think so underrated it's Dan Reicho Satyar Shah hey it's Mike Alford and Jason bruff join us for Alford and Bruff in the morning weekdays for 6 to 9 a.m. on Sportsnet 650 or on demand anytime through your favorite podcast app
