[MUSIC] >> Man, morning to a 47-5-90. The fan benefit is bring good action. I twin shows up. Boilers put up eight. Shocker. >> Not a shark. >> No, not remotely. I will still maintain most electric CFL. No, take that back. Most electric halftime show of all time. Shania cruising in on the dog sled for a great halftime show. >> In the snow. >> Electric, electric, God, I love me, some Shania. >> All right, so Sir Gabe Abrowski, still the cons my favorite, but yeah, gives up five. His save percentage in the postseason drops from 9/16 to way, way, way, way, way, way back of Joseph Wall. Now 9/09. >> I was gonna say he did that just for us. He's like, have to take the dive. >> The Joe Wall legend must live forever. >> Anyways, it's probably fine, right? It's one game does not make a series, okay? Guys, bring a bunch of those together. >> No, no, no. >> But the team that did score eight employs the best player in the sport. >> Yeah. >> Who finally scored a goal. And now with all the assists, it's surpassed Wayne Gretzky for most assists in a postseason run. >> Say that again. >> You most assists ever. >> The first part, Wayne Gretzky. >> We don't get, like I know we're gonna, when Ovechkin plays to be 77 years old, gets one goal in his last season, like we just don't get guys breaking wainer records. So anytime you can say that, pretty good. >> Yes, pretty good. And he did score, and you know what? Lee Andries, I will pick up his first point, still looking for his first goal of the series. But they employ those guys, and the power play finally scored, it was on a five on three, but it's just once now. >> Yep. >> In this series, the Oilers, the greatest power play of this generation. Only scored once and not yet at five on four in this series. Now they obviously have the disadvantage in goal, there's just no question. But they've perhaps conquered the boogeyman that was Sir Gabe Abrowski. Are the ingredients there to be the second team instantly up final history to come back from down 3-0? >> All of the ingredients that are involved with them, they possess the ability to score, the fact that they were able to put a little doubt in the other goalie's mind. So everything that the Oilers are capable of doing to plant the seed of doubt or whatever they have done. I think the biggest problem with it, and I don't know if this will shock you where I'm going with it, but the biggest reason why I think the seed of doubt or the panic or whatever can't subcede or subsided them is because unlike if this was the shoe on the other foot, the Oilers going home after just giving up, it's like the Panthers fans are like, okay, cool, who cares? They're going to go win. There's going to be no nervous energy in that building, not a one, maybe from the players, but the fans, again, the guy with the rat head on in his kachuk jersey, who he probably pronounces it like Gilbert Godfrey, like kachapjack or whatever, that guy is not sitting there going, who the ghost of Stanley Cup, no, guess what, he found out the Stanley Cup existed. Well, that was about say nine minutes ago, but I think last year, so he's known about it for about 12 months now. That is actually the biggest reason why I don't think this will kind of take hold. Everything the Oilers do, they check all the boxes, they have all of it. But the ghosting goblins is a massive part of a choke and a collapse. And I just don't believe, I mean, I should be very clear, gremlins and ghouls exist in the state of Florida, but specifically hockey ghosts and goblins. No, there's just too many bath salts floating around there for not to be a gremlin or a ghoul. Yeah, I don't disagree with that being a factor because again, we view everything through the lens that is the Toronto Maple Leafs. And you no doubt, by some miracle of miracles, the Toronto Maple Leafs found themselves up. Well, first of all, in a cup final and up three nothing and lost like that. Oh, can you imagine, wait for the franchise, you know, honestly, here you go. What, you know what, watching the comeback would be too painful, forget it. Yeah. You know, and take Austin too, here we go. Of course, of course, I would be not just the fans in the building, but the questions by the media, just like the tenor around the team would be out of the country. Yeah, all of that would exist and it doesn't, clearly for the Panthers. Not even close. But I think what does exist is like, well, so we've done the, hey, it's maybe a bigger 180 with Sergey Babrowski that we've done then with Bryson de Shambo. Yeah, because I agree with it. So it is 100%. So this is the guy that we viewed as having one of the worst contracts and all of the NHL and again, didn't start game one of the postseason last year before getting all the way to a cup final. And now it's like, oh, the Hall of Famer, he has the two business, two cup final appearances, maybe a cons might. This is one of the greatest goaltenders of the generation. It's definitely had a couple of the greatest seasons of this generation. But man, we are not that far removed from him being not capable. And if not just any belief starts to grow in the Oilers, any doubt starts to grow in the mind of Sergey Babrowski. And outside of that, the players that play on that team in Sergey Babrowski, I mean, that's the number one reason combined with like, you know, the all time great players that the Oilers employ. But it's the Sergey Babrowski looking mortal and sure, it's just one game and it's so hard to sweep a team in the cup final because they're obviously already have bona fides to be in that position to win four straight. It's also pretty interesting stat that every time under Kristina Oblock, the Oilers have lost three straight, like they follow that up with a prolonged winning streak. The smallest winning streak they've had after losing three straight has been a five game winning streak, which is also curious. So that they seem to respond well to being in these situations, albeit during the regular season. But yeah, to me, the number one reason if you were an Oilers fan to believe in the potential history making week that is to come for the Oilers is looking across the way and the guy that used to be in your heads certainly doesn't feel that way going into game five tomorrow in Sergey Babrowski. I'm going to give you one more. It's that you mentioned it that the Oilers have the talent and obviously there's no world where the Oilers were going to have eight games and none of those big boys were going to be a fair, sorry, eight point or eight goals in the game and none of those big boys were going to be a factor. But the fact that they did that without dry side will be in dry side. So I think that should be irksome or worrisome to the Panthers as well because the idea, the longer the series goes on Leon dry side was too good to be kept on the mat for this long. Quite frankly, the longer it goes on, he's going to have his game now. Maybe it's the same night. Babrowski has his and it's kind of a wash that is entirely possible. That's kind of in the story of Babrowski throughout these playoffs as well. But I think that's the other reason why the Oilers should feel kind of bullish about this is that they've been able to do it with one and one. I mean, there is no tandem in Edmonton and it's McDavid and everybody else. But if there is a tandem, it's him and dry side of them, they've been able to do it without one of those guys being quite frankly close to as good as he's capable of. Be cool to see a game sex back in Alberta. But yeah, Leon dry side was yet to score a second in postseason point scoring and he's also second in postseason goal scoring with 10 or behind Zach Hyman's 14 yet to have a goal in this series to this point, just first points coming in that lap for eight one on Saturday. If they do lose in a game five and he's held off to score sheet yet again, I mean, they're here. So they are playing with house money to an extent, but also this is, hey, self described copper bust. How much does Leon dry side will wear it after an incredible postseason run? But if he's if he doesn't have the stand like a final that he obviously envisioned for himself, how does that change the conversation around him? This is a cop out answer, but he can wear it the absolute most. A guy who is what fallen probably all the way to like top 10 all time in playoff points per game can wear it. It's pretty hard to sit here and point to dry settle. And obviously it's easier to point at dry side that it is McDavid one McDavid did the damn thing. He had the big night and the record and all that, but we also understand it's Connor McDavid and it's a Leon dry side. I just think that the way those guys have performed, the way they quite frankly, single handedly, you know, not the three of them, you know, those two and Zach Hyman have kind of the trio has pulled this team to where they're at. I guess Bouchard as well. That takes a team at this time of year, but it's been a, it's been a star led effort. It's not been the story of depth that we've seen across elsewhere. I think there are going to be questions to be had. I think the timing of him needing an extension makes that a little uncomfortable, especially if he's held off the score sheet and it is a quiet cup final, but he's getting a massive raise. He makes eight and a half now there. They give him a five million dollar raise, which would be underpaying him and it would still be a massive, massive leap for him. So I think that's the part of it. If any part of it becomes uncomfortable, it's that you immediately have to talk dollar in contract in future in Edmonton, but there's no world where there's people turning on dry cycle or anything along those lines. Yeah. I mean, what you might hear is, hey, wouldn't that final have played out differently if, you know, the second leading goal score on the steam score to goal? Yeah, you think? Yeah. Which I don't discount from, like I think Leon Dryson was probably a good bet to score tomorrow in Sunrise, Florida in game five and extended to a game six, honestly. I think that's what's going to happen. Yeah. So do I. We'll talk to Luke Fox later on as he's headed back to Sunrise, Florida, following this cup final. We'll get his impressions on what's going down with Mitch Marner and being next to so many NHL insiders and having the inside information that he has, but we got kind of a differing opinion over the weekend from our old pal, Chris Johnson, who reports the Leafs haven't really decided anything on Mitch Marner. Here's a quote from his podcast, the Leafs are not leaning on Mitch Marner right now. They have not decided 100% they have to write him and or that they're going to make life uncomfortable and they're getting the list of names. None of that's what's going on. All right, Brent, it's the middle of June. Okay. Draft is right there. Like we can, you can smell it. Canada Day is right there. Free agency about to open. Is it as I won't lead the witness. Go ahead. Leave me. If this is, if this is true, and the Leafs are like, hey, you go one way, you go another for an off season, which is one crucial to the future of this team and one, this move, which is franchise altering, if we decide to make it, we're still on the fence. Does, is that a good thing? No, I don't think it's a good thing. I think they should have a pretty, pretty, I don't think they should have their mind made up completely. Because I'll admit, when I first saw this story, my initial read on it is, yeah, they're still seeing what's out there and depending on what's out there, that will lead them to make up their mind or not make up their mind. And I think that's the prudent way to go about business is angry as we all are. And as open as a lot of us are to the idea of losing a Mitch Marner trade, I still don't think anyone wants them to make a dumb one. You don't want to jump in and just make a dumb trade for the sake of making a trade. So I think when I first saw it, my initial read was that of okay, they're going to kind of still continue to survey, see what's out there. That doesn't seem like necessarily what's happening. And it is surprising because I would have thought that if there was ever a time to have the kind of tough decisions and tough conversations, it would be now with new leadership and Shanahan feeling the pressure and true living, feeling super comfortable. But maybe that's part of the problem is that trail living came in and did a good job in the first year, relatively speaking, like, yeah, we all have our quibbles, you know, John Klingberg here, whatever else there. But I think he did a pretty good job given the circumstances he was put in. But I do wonder if part of it is he feels a little too comfortable in the fact that yeah, no one's going to get there will be people who are upset with the decision. But if Brad for living says, I think I'm going to let Mitch Marner play out his contract and probably re-sign him and I think John Tavares is not going to be on this team after next year. I can easily see that being the way he goes about it. So I just think the comfortability that trail living has is maybe leading to the lack of decisiveness on this. The Toronto Maple Leafs must at this point have a pretty good idea of what the return on a Mitch Marner trade looks like. These other 29 teams are not stupid, like, okay, maybe they're not plugged into everything we're reading and hearing when it comes to Leafs' rumors, they're better than that. Even before this was an issue, I'm sure they're calling about Mitch Marner. And now, oh my God, we can get a 100-point player who plays in all special teams over 20 minutes a night during the regular season. Yeah, we're going to make an inquiry. And maybe there's an element of, okay, those offers are underwhelming, but that's part of negotiation. We can see the end point from here, right? Like, okay, these are not the final offers, but we have an idea of what we'd be looking for or recouping in a Mitch Marner trade, whether it be in Vegas or Chicago or whatever. The idea that, okay, you're still wishy-washy on that, and again, this is a report, who knows, maybe this is incorrect or not entirely accurate, but that we are 14 days away from free agency. And this is not like other, I know there are some guys that take a little longer to sign, but July 1st is the day. You better have a good idea what your cap sheet looks like on July 1st. And for you still to be playing out the scenarios or humming and hawing about whether you'd go down the road in trading Mitch Marner is nuts to me. Like you know what the trade is going to look like at this point. So let me throw this out there. I do wonder if, and look, like this is not me criticizing the work of insiders. They do a wonderful job with it, but we also understand where reports come from. Like people want to get a particular message out one way or another, and that's not to say they're just being fed things or being fed the truth a lot of the times, but, and I do wonder if part of this is, they've made up their mind. If that is the leaf saying, hey, we might hold on to them, and that is posturing, forgive us a better deal. We don't like what's out there. I do wonder how much of it could be that if it's kind of coming from the leaves, the idea of, hey, we don't know what we're going to do. I keep them. We might trade them. If I am another team, and again, you know, they have their own sources and understanding as well. But much like us, they consume the stuff from insiders. I do wonder if that is to poke and prod a team that's been less forthright with offers that they quite frankly should be giving for a player like Mitch Marner. And if this is a way to kind of stoke the fires on that, I wonder that part of it as well. And if that is the case, you better have a pretty good idea of whether Mitch Marner is going to wave his new move clause. Like to me, the conversation, it not having taken place yet, again, we're days away from the draft, 14 days away from free agency where you, okay, the cap's going up by 4%, you better have a good idea of whether you have $11 million of Mitch Marner tying you up or not. And if you have, and how much less are you going to have? Because who's the player coming back and what does their cap hit look like? You better have a pretty damn good idea of what that looks like. Well, I wonder if that again, just trying, trying to read between the two, they try and put myself in that shoes. I wonder if that's telling of what, if they have begun to have those discussions with teams, super preliminary, even that, I do wonder if that's telling and informing that maybe they're not planning to get cap space back, that it's a two for one or a three for one, and they're kind of operating from the standpoint of, yes, on July one, obviously, if we have one Mitch Marner making 10, nine, that means one thing. And if we have three different guys, you know, three, three or three and a half, whatever the math works out to there, that's obviously a very different way. But you're still operating with the same amount of cap space at the end of it. I do wonder if that's kind of part of it as well. Yeah, that might impact it. And I would go counter to my belief that July 1st, the deadline for this, like if you're going to trade Mitch Marner, you have to do it before free agency because you have to know how much you have to spend. There's no dragging your feet on this thing. I think I agree. If you're trading him for, you know, one piece of note and a pick and a couple picture or a couple prospects you could do something with, it's very different. If you're just looking, if this is a, not that it needs to be this way, but if this is a money in money out trade, then I don't know that it has to be a hard and fast. So I agree with you, the probably best time, not probably, almost certainly best time to do it is July 1st. But we, I am so bad at this, I know, of living in a world of absolutes, and this is the way. And I can see a world where they operate of the understanding that a Mitch Marner trade can happen because they're not looking at one piece and a bunch of other stuff. They're looking at two or three or four things that add up cost wise, not player wise to Mitch Marner. Yeah, if that's a deal that's going to take place, the idea that you wouldn't rush that to the finish line before July 1st to give yourself a better understanding of what your roster looks like and what your needs are, in free agency would be nuts to me. To me, if it's going to happen, it's going to happen the next two weeks. I wholeheartedly agree. But I also think that if you are, if you're of a belief that you, again, I would not go about it that way. But if you're of the belief that that's the best deal to make, I can see some teams kind of putting themselves on a calendar that's different than the start of July 1 and they're going to say, Hey, I understand that's when you want to do your business. I will still be a dance partner here after. So I'm with you. If it were me doing it, I want it done by the draft, mostly because we're not honestly who cares about Macklin celebrating getting drafted number one overall. We have to have something to take out of that weekend, but also from a prudent standpoint, it's the best time to do it. But I don't think it's a hard and fast. Like we have proof of concept with true living. He didn't trade kachuk at the draft. He did it deeper into the summer and not that that worked out wonderfully for him. But I don't know when people have acted away in the past, believe them. Yeah. I mean, that was all. Yeah. Different circumstance for a number of different reasons, not the least of which is he had to make that move. That was how much of a choice does he ever know? I think he does have it. It's like factually. I agree. But if he doesn't feel that he does, if he like, I think this is all, this is all what makes it so fascinating is that if this was Kyle Dubas having these conversations, it obviously would play out differently. But we would also have the long track record of an understanding of the way he works. And not the Brad should live in doesn't have a track record in the league. But you know, you only watch the Calgary Flames move so closely. I think that's the other part of this that makes it so interesting is the true living is still to a certain extent here dealing with an issue like this, a bit of an unknown. That's what honestly makes it fascinating. Before I take a break and talk to our policy on McKee. So I mentioned off the top of the show Johnson Wagner video, which is going around all over the place. He is truly golf's content king. Sorry, Bryson. Yeah, he's been amazing. I mean, but this is his piece de resistance where the conclusion of the US Open getting back out there on the 18th hole in Pinehurst number two and trying to recreate the Bryson to Shambo shot in the lights and then Bryson shows up first one way over the green. I don't know. We never saw the ball because it's pitch black. But then Bryson shows up and tells him, you know, his thought process and trying to chunk the ball out of the bunker and let it run out hits it closer than what Bryson did. Now he had two shots at it and also like we treat Johnson Wagner like he's some bum like he's you or me like this is a PJ to her champion like he's one on the PGA to her before. Yeah, three times. You know what guys call that a good career. Yeah, right. He's not a bum like like one of the best golfers on the planet. Mm hmm. But yeah, not not Bryson to Shambo does it do anything to the perception of that shot, which I think in the moment people viewed it as one of the most clutch shots in major championship history because it felt that way and he Brice only got one chance at it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But in the dark with two shots Johnson Wagner hit better. Okay, it shouldn't because the reason that that shot is incredible is not just the one shot but the moment the nerves of steel. It's like, yeah, I guess what we all could walk out there and hit a two foot six inch plaid. Apparently Rory McElroy couldn't with the tournament on the line. So like we understand what makes the shot hard is the pressure of it. But my God, that is such a tough look for Bryson. It makes it look so much less impressive. And again, Johnson Wagner, not a job or three time winner. This is also a guy who this, or no, it was a no this week or last week, but then the last two weeks on golf channel tried to give a chipping exhibit or like, here's how you play around the greens. And he got the yips and he was chunking them left, right and center. So yes, this is still Johnson Wagner. The idea that this doesn't take just like 1% of the sheen off of it. It, how can it not the fact that he stepped up and did it right away, Bryson better man than me? Because I would have been nowhere near that shot helping him out with it, although I will say, even me had to laugh at him presenting Johnson Wagner with the US trophy or US Open Trophy after it. These guys, they all believe that they, unless they are the greatest of all time, they think that their careers have been underwhelming and like, there's no doubt that Johnson Wagner, despite being a three time winner on tour, he's like, ah, look at me, I'm a bomb. I'm a bomb. Look at me. I'm a bomb. Talk to anybody that ever played any level of any sport that I got terrible. I'm so bad. I'm so bad. If you're Johnson Wagner, do you think you're hanging that picture of you holding the US Open Trophy in your office? Like, are you, are you treasuring that memory? Are you like, I'm kind of, I'm half surprised that he even accepted the US Open Trophy. It's a great, great moment, but for him, is he like sort of sheepishly embarrassed? I don't think it's hanging up somewhere, but I also don't think it's the Stanley Cup. Like, I think I shouldn't speak for him. I think he realized that ship has sailed and he wasn't going to win the US Open. So do you want to drink out of the cup at somebody's party or not? I think he didn't say something like that. He's like, oh, no, I'm not going to win it. Yeah. Because you're Johnson Wagner, of course, you're not going to win the US Open. So do you know how hard the US Open is? So that's the thing. I don't, it's nowhere prominent, but if he has, and why wouldn't he use it three time winter, I'm sure his house is sick. Yeah. A big house. If he has an office that's just for him, like the wife doesn't go in there, the kids don't go in there, it's not like on the wall, like a oil painting or something, but it's framed on the desk sitting there for him, but only where no one else in the house would go. I'm not putting that on the room. Maybe like as he looks back on it, we move farther away in his older age. He hangs it up, but right now, unless he is truly the funniest man in the world, which I'm not going to say is no possibility, then he'd have it up as a great bit. But no, I think that goes like in the office for him, but for no one else, as opposed to us who would like have a mural painted with like have a commission painting, me and Sam McKee are on a two year stretch of being caught by the broadcast right with Rory McElroy, and it takes everything I own not to like frame those pictures in my house, and he didn't even do anything. He's just like, I was standing there. Yeah. So was I. Don't don't get that. No, I wasn't going to. Yeah, good. All right. When we come back, we will talk to your co-host of the golf show. He have real Kipper and born Sam McKee next. The fan morning show continues, Ben and his friend Gunning sports at 590, the fan. Unrivaled insight, analysis, and opinions on all things Blue Jays, Blair and Barker. Be sure to subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Frank Gunning, Bryson DeChambeau, for most people completing the complete 180 on public perception and Rory McElroy only further cementing his position as the biggest major choker in the last decade. It's how long it's been since he last won at Valhalla. Let's talk to us. Sam McKee, real Kipper and born in the golf show. How's it going, Sammy? Good morning, fellas. I'm doing well. How are you guys doing? I'm doing very well. That was a hell of a weekend, a hell of a Sunday, and unfortunately came at Rory McElroy's expense. Yeah, there's been a lot of close calls and, you know, choker-ish moments, I suppose it majors over the last 10 years, but nothing close to missing a two and a half foot pot and a three and a half foot pot on the 18th hole to potentially get into a playoff. Is your perception of Rory, like, has it changed after yesterday's performance? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's, I mean, that's sort of what I expected. I had sent a few texts saying, like, you know, I got texts throughout the day being like, Rory's got this, Rory's got this. I'm like, ah, there's a lot of golf left for something to happen here. And it did happen. And Bryson had his moment where he gagged a short one. And you're kind of thinking that that may be the moment that Rory gets it. But yeah, I can't imagine how excruciating today and yesterday was for Rory McElroy. You just, you see how beloved Bryson is now, and you see all the content of him coming out, signing every autograph, taking every picture, being really well liked, and to have the guy who's supposed to be like that, you know, ripping out of there and everybody making fun of him for his Irish goodbye. And just like, the perception has flipped for him, I think, a little bit. And it can't be a tough pill to swallow. And yesterday just had to suck two and a half feet, boys, like it's just, it's, it's un, it's unthinkable. Pro, don't miss those. What was that? That four ninety six. Yeah, four ninety six. He hasn't. It's just, it doesn't happen. It just doesn't happen. And it's just hard to, there's just, there's no other thing to say other than he choked. It was just a good old fashioned joke. Yeah. What's up there with the all timers? I think so. I think that's here. It's bigger than Vandevelle for me, because Vandevelle is Vandevelle. This is Rory McElroy missing a two and a half foot and a three and a half foot put on the seventy second hole. Like it's on the route Mount Rushmore for sure of that of Vandevelle, and you know, you think of his hero Greg Norman at the Masters 96. There's a ton of, there's, there's, there's a few of them that really stick out. But as the years go by, this will always look, look, look back on as one of the worst ones ever. Like speed at the Masters with the water balls. Yeah. And at least it was one hole that did it to him here, but it was having it be the multiple choked missed pots is just, it's, it's a tough day. It's a tough day for everybody. So here's how I've been kind of looking at it is that you're right. Like I'm loving preface everything you said by like, yeah, that is as big a choke as I can remember. And I think the difference between the, what we're talking about, like the Vandevelle, the speed, Rory at the Masters, when he's poking around in the bushes there is those are all true melt downs. Like we have seen guys lose their mind on the course. They can't find a club face. They can't keep anything in. They start making bad decisions. The mind starts racing. We see that I won't go as far as to say all the time, but we see that a lot. I mean, how many times a year do guys lose a golf tournament doing exactly that thing? We never see this a guy, this, you know, money and it's like, I know he hasn't won anything of note in 10 years. But you know what I'm saying? Like go ask everybody to, of course, right? One tons. Of course. One tons of events. And for him to miss those little bunnies, like honestly, you know what I'm thinking about right now is Tim Duncan, when the Spurs lost to the heat that he's going to remember that little one inch layup that he missed for his entire life. And guess what? He won a whole bunch, but he never won again after that. And I honestly, that's what's like racing through my head with Rory is that it wasn't the meltdown, which is kind of a feature of the game of golf. This was just a pure, and a great shot to get himself in position to make par on 18. Right. But it was just the choke, not a meltdown. I don't know what the number of stroke lead he would need to win a major now. Like, hey, what was, what hole was he standing on with the two stroke leaves at 13 or 14? It was 14. He finished 13. So it was 14th. Yeah. So he had a two, like, you know, and Bryson, you know, give him credit for an unbelievable par on 18 and he wins it and he does the weirdest celebration of all time. But like, he would not have had a weird, silly. I'm shocked. He was he. Oh my God. Here comes the church of Rory getting ready to get ready to take down like they went to Brando Shambli and, and, uh, faxing in the, in the truck, they look like they were on the verge of tears. They're like, Oh, yeah. The good guy lost. I know it's awful. Oh yeah. Who's the good, the good guys out there signed an autograph until 11 o'clock at night. Unless, unless someone dare call, he's peeling out of the parking lot. Yeah. I know. Unless someone call him Bruxy and then he's having dudes turfed on a tour event. Yeah. What a front runner. Yeah. Easy when you're winning, bud. Yeah. Wow. That's for sure. When it comes to majors. Well, no, he has him. He has two. Rory has four. That's okay. Okay. Well, we're, we're going to count it. So we're zero. Okay. Sure. You guys are great. You two talk to each other. I'll deal with the key on the golf show, bud. Oh my God. Gutter is so sour. Like, yeah. You should have seen the start of the show. It was, I said it was. It's funny. Yeah. Just to watch all the golf media and just everyone have to like like Bryson has been incredible. I just, it's, it's, they just can't help themselves. Bryson, sorry, Brando, just actively cheering against them the entire back nine of that because they just could not help himself. It's just, I, you know, I, I think Bryson has done, like I've done this take before. I've said it all the time, but there's no one who's been in the last year and a half. And I've been at Bryson fans since he started. And I've gone through some ups and downs here clearly. He was one of the most hated guys in the tour. He was the bravado, everything. All the, all the stuff, but he, the, the perception changed for him. It's been incredible. It's just, he does every, you know, you can't go on TikTok. You can't go on Twitter. You can't go on YouTube. You can't go on. Trust me. I ain't going on TikTok or Snapchat. Trust me. Without, without seeing him do something with like the good, good guys. He's doing all these stuff on YouTube. He's everywhere. He's done more for the perception of the game for young people than a lot of these guys have on tour and everybody kills them for going to live. And that's fine. Yeah. He's done an incredible job of growing the game and it's a deserved championship. He's played awesome at the, at the majors this year. Yep. He was right there at the Masters. He was right there at the PGA Championship. He wins the U.S. Open. It's been an incredible year for Bryson DeChambeau and the golf media. It's just tough for them to swallow. They'd kill for, for, for Rory to have this year and then he just, he can't have it. Yep. He had a two stroke lead on 14 and he missed two, three footers to lose. Yeah. That's tough. I don't know. I'm always trying to search for the, the opposite take, right? Like the, the, the counter opinion to the overwhelming narrative with Bryson. I can't do it. That's the job. No, I know. But like sometimes it just sounds silly. And for me, that, that's it with Bryson. It's like, okay, is he a different person like to his core than he was two and three years ago? I don't know. Here's what I know. He's way more likable and is it craven to, to stay out until 11 at night signing autographs or bringing the US Open trophy for everybody to touch baby? Who cares? He did it. Like I, I just, I got to give the guy credit for, if not changing, actively trying to change his perception and, and maybe I'm a sucker, but to me, he's now, he's, he's surpassed John Romm. He's surpassed Brooks Kepka as the guy I'm most going to miss on a week to week basis on the PGA tour of the live guys. Yeah. Absolutely. And I think I just, to me, I don't miss them a lot because I see so much of them in the other, in the other, uh, sort of, you know, uh, places, like Twitter and like I said, like on YouTube, watch a ton of his videos on there on like, I see him a ton. So I don't feel like I miss them. And then these majors come around and he plays great. It's just been, I don't know if you guys have seen, I guarantee Gunner hasn't seen it, but Johnson Wagner did a, it was practicing the shot. No, we talked about it. We saw it. You did see it? Of course. It's incredible. It's incredible stuff. Like he's just, I don't know, I, I could not be happier for the guy. It's been a long odyssey with him and me and me watching him and going through getting people making fun of me for liking him and people making fun of me for having one like thiners because Bryson does it like I love this guy and I just, I am so thrilled. I'm so thrilled that this has come around and now that he's, you know, he's liked and it's just, it's great. And I, I thought that that was one of the best US opens we've had in a long time, one of the best majors since I would honestly say since Tiger wanted Augusta. It's just, it was an incredible day for golf yesterday. I loved every minute of it. Yeah. The whole, the whole weekend of it all. I mean, he's going back and forth on the Saturday with people. He, there was a shortish par four and he's like, I'm not going to go for it. Don't boo me guys. And like, all that is awesome. I'm not going to sit here and tell you otherwise. I think my issue with it is it's easy to be this guy when you're front running like it is easy to turn around. Now the other question I have for you is because I certainly feel this way. I guess your answer. I'm guessing your answer is no, but we've heard this a lot that for if they allow him in the presidents or Ryder cup five times a year is the actual perfect amount of Bryson that we miss him. It's like you always want to leave wanting more. Do you think his perception has been helped by the fact that there's just less of him that it feels like an event when Bryson is here as opposed to the weekend week out of, you know, Bryson being Bryson. Yeah, probably. I think there's probably something to that. I mean, and as far as the president's cup goes, he won't be there because that's a PGA station event. Right? It's not like the Ryder cup where so he will not be at the president's cup, which is a tough bounce, but I. Great bounce for us. What are you talking about? Yeah. Well, I mean, for the for the hometown team, that's a brown set you definitely want to have because you don't want Bryson there, but yeah, I think, you know, he's a it's quirky to say the least and maybe a lot of it might happen, but I think the PGA, if they could get one guy back on tour right now, if they could choose, it would obviously be Bryson. The guy is incredibly popular. Like I can't believe how much people were rooting for him and, you know, the USA chants and everybody's fired up from the win, the US open like I think that if maybe you wouldn't like it week to week, but I'm sure the PGA tour would kill to have this guy back because his popularity has gone through the roof and he seems like people really are starting to love himself. Oh, I think what you want and what the tour wants are too very different. No, I buddy. I wholeheartedly agree. Like him ripping 380 yard bombs in front of a different set of drunk Yahoo's every week. Like, yeah, it's agreed. Of course. Like they would sign up for it in an absolute heartbeat. How damning is that? And I know you're going to be like a shocker this where you go with it, but how damning is it for live that it really does? And I will even say they have the most entertaining man on the planet and golf right now. I don't think I like him the most, but he is for sure the most entertaining guy. And it still feels like they can't crack or crack any semblance of recognition or being in the lexicon. Like are you surprised that him being him hasn't been enough to kind of get more eyeballs on live because buddy, you're like, you know, we fight about it all the time and I'd make funny UB and Larry live. Are you even keeping tabs on what him and his beloved crushers are doing over there? No, the only the only thing I looked at for live the other day was I went on the live website to see how much it would be to get a crusher's hat. It was $95 for my house. So I decided against that. I'm actually no, I'm actually surprised by that. That's a very unused decision to say, no, I can't buy that. I was going to just do it and then not tell anybody that I that I did it. But listen, boys, I got I'm sitting in my office right now. It's just overflowing with hats that I never wear. So I I didn't think that a hat. I wear my dollars twice. Yeah. Well, I mean, listen, I've spent a lot of money on a lot of hats here, boys. It's a hundred bucks. Isn't really what it was. It was more like the principle of owning another hat that will not be in the main rotation that will soon be in my office of full of junk. Anyways, yeah, I think the living thing is obviously over. But we're clearly heading towards it all just being one thing anyway. So which was my take all along. So are we? Yeah, we're sure. I think so. Yeah, I think I think Bryson continuing to rack up majors would only aid in that regard that there would be more pressure on the PGA tour to come across the table to live. I move into the woods if I have to live in a world where it is seen wrongfully. So the Bryson is the man who healed the game of golf. He who started the divide in the first place. Yeah, I will I will genuinely need to move to the woods if that's the case. Was it him that started it? Wasn't it? And he was one of the first they was one of the first wave don't come out here and give me this. He wasn't a part of it. He's not going to have over $100 million. Like it feels like Phil was the most outspoken by OK, sure, but he was among the tip of the spear. He was among the first. He's remarkable. No, what a coping interview. This is sort of Bryson ruined golf Bryson this Bryson that I won't Brando Shambly after Wednesday misses the two footer Roy Miss the two footer and he's like, there's just so much pressure on him. There's just so much pressure on him. There is. That's why choked. That's like that's literally why. Oh, he couldn't be expected to hit a three footer. Yeah, I don't think he said you couldn't expect him to. OK, either are. Yeah. Do this more later today. I was just last thing on on the Bryson of it all and the merger that that could be coming down the pipeline. I think for me when you would hear him at the conclusion of tournaments that he didn't win say like we got to figure this out. We got it. You got to get me out of obscurity here like it sounded like a desperate play from a man who's like, I need to be more relevant again. But when he wins, it sounds like he's got more gravitas, right? Like when he wins a major is like I'm already bonafide, right? Like I'm already legit, but yeah, don't you want to see me more? We got to figure this thing out. So to me, that changes it from his perspective. Where are you on Scotty Sheffler? I mean, does one major put a dent in and how you view him going into the open championship? Like, is he ever going to be a plus 300 favorite again? Yeah. I think so. Actually, maybe not at the not at the open, I don't know how they'll kind of, I don't know how they'll they'll handicap that one to me. It's just different. And I feel like those American guys. So I guess Harman won last year, but I don't know. I never know how to handicap those, but I think Sheffler is fine. I think it's a really hard golf course. I think he had a bad start and it kind of just got away from him like they interviewed him. After Saturday, and he was talking to Damon, unlike Rory, he went and sat down and did an interview. He talked about how he was just like, yeah, he didn't hit enough greens, didn't hit enough fairways. It's a hard golf course. He seems like he's in a really good spot and he'll be fine. But maybe not going to bet on him at plus 400 to win the open. I didn't bet on anyone this week, I didn't bet on anything. But I don't think I'd be laying money on him to win that one because it's just such a different thing to me. But yeah, I'm not too worried about Scotty. I think he'll be fine. He's just, he's got God on his side, so he'll be fine. He doesn't really have to worry about a whole lot because he got God on his side, so he'll be totally fine. Yeah, I don't disagree. If we're going to talk about that, apparently there was a story of Bryson's representatives screaming at Damon Hack in the media tent about unfair coverage. So if we're going to throw shots at Rory, I'll make sure to throw one in there about him as well. I think with the thing with Sheffler is, and you know this, I've been pretty steadfast in it, of it's just impossible to be Tiger Woods. There's a reason why. He's the only one of him. We don't see this all the time. I think he's going to continue to win tournaments. He'll probably win another major or two in his day. But I think that you have to strike while the iron is hot so quickly with these guys. And I just, I don't think it's over in the sense that we're never seeing him again. But I do think it can just take one week of things not being great. And then you got a major that's not kind of the track for you later on in the year. I can kind of easily see a world where this is the returning to normal good Scotty Sheffler as opposed to like the transcendently great figure we've seen. Yeah, I mean he won last week too, right? Like he'd say, you know the elevator event next week and which is insane. He can win the tournaments with no cut and 70 players. Like he can do that. We know that. Yeah. And he won the Masters. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not that. I mean there's more guys but like a lot of like ancient like relics there as well. Is this an anti Scotty take? Yeah. Ben thinks he's a fraud in a jobber and just wins against the quote unquote bums on the PGA. I'm on fraud. Watch with Scotty. This isn't absurd. This is a really great tag. Excellent tag. Thank you. What about all my price and tags? What about them? Those are better players players since World War two to win the US Open multiple times at age of 30 or younger Jack Nicklaus Ernie Elle's Tiger Woods brook Skapka and price in D. Jambo. Yeah. What a list. Yeah, he's really good. Yep. Okay. I loved Pinehurst was awesome. So fun. Me too. Hey, I think I prefer the courses with the deep rough as opposed to the wire. Hard disagree. Bush is. Where are you Sammy? Well, first of all, how many golf group chats around the world? Like is there ever been a better advertising for a course than that US Open? No, I am in several different golf group chats that were like, yeah, so when we're doing this boys trip and there's like that thing going around where you do like the whole teaching class and like the everyone was just sending all this different stuff to me about going there. I don't know. The wire grass, the thick rough, I can I that's one of the things great about golf is that you have so many different courses that do so many different things and it's different year to year. The thick rough, you know, these guys, they just like bash it out of there and it goes a little further. I like the unpredictability of the wire grass where it's like you can get a club on it, but it might go left. You might shank it. You might do something crazy. So I liked both, but I think I can't really pick a favorite, but I did like the unpredictability of the wire grass at Pinehurst this week for sure. Yeah, it was a roll of the dice man was wild or and there's like roots that I thought there was a non zero percent chance that Bryson DeChambe was going to like break his wrist taking that shot on 18. That shot in 18 was crazy and the shot that Rory hit before he set up like the final pot that he had. Yeah, we had to kind of like shank it out of the out of it and he almost had he almost had the exact same shot Bryson and have had a role more to the right. Got a good break. I mean, it was a great break and but that's what I liked about it. It's just unpredictability out of there. You don't know what it's going to happen. Like that's one of the best players in the world just having a full swing and it was a borderline shank. It's crazy. So I liked it. I liked it. Yeah. Well, what a tournament. What a Sunday. What a golf tournament and what a golfer. What a winner. Yeah. Agreed. 25 days to the open or 24 days to go. Sammy. Great stuff as always. See you, buddy. Pleasure. Can't wait to talk more about it later there, Gunnar. You know what finger I'm giving you. We'll just leave it at that. Bye bye. Bye boys. Sam McKee. Real Kipper and Warren. You guys are going to be taking the golf show. And yeah, couple things very quickly on that just and this is perfect to lead us into the Wakenrake. I'm such a big hater. I grab Bryson at plus 425 heading into Saturday and hit on it and I still feel this way about it. So yeah, I'm a hater of epic proportions and McKee can sit here and talk all he wants, but I had buddies saying it's Rory's day. He was reverse jinxing Rory to me in my text with him all day long going up by two. No way he could lose. Bryson just doesn't have it. The reverse jinx was laid on thick. So he basically won the US Open for Bryson yesterday. Well, I mean, this is one of the big questions I've asked in all of pro sports. If you've shown the ability to be clutch, can you still be a choker? Because I think you can. Like I think you can. You can do both. Like we can contain multitudes. You can be Mark Andre Flurry with an incredible save to win Sydney Crosby's first Stanley Cup and then be the reason why your team bows out of the postseason. Before that you can shoot it off Patrick O'Sullivan and net thanks for that. Right. Doesn't haunt me to this day still the yellow pads. Yeah. Love your flower. I mean, there's never I mean, there's no putt short enough now that in a moment of clutchness, we're not going to think about Rory McElroy potentially missing it. What he would give to have a two foot putt to win the travelers this weekend and just squash it. Like the sooner that can happen immediately. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Time to have the Wakenrake presented by Sports Interaction, your homegrown sports book 19 plus bet responsibly. Blue Jays hosting the Red Sox for the first time this season starting tonight. Nick Pavetta on the hill for the Red Sox against Yusei Kikuchi. Red Sox coming off their historic performance against the New York Yankees on Sunday night baseball. It is Blue Jays favorite minus 128 Red Sox plus 105. The total is eight. This is going to shock you. I'm going to go over. I feel like the the Jays have had some success against Pavetta in the past doesn't always work the way it does for every Canadian against the Leafs apparently. So I showed out to that. Yeah, give me the over only at eight. You got to pay a little bit minus 105, but that's what I'm liking. I like the Blue Jays on the run line minus one and a half plus 155. Yeah, there is the Pavetta historic success against him, but there's also the Red Sox being pretty tired team that was up late playing baseball and running so much there. Their legs are very sore from from running and scoring runs against the New York Yankees. So I actually like the Blue Jays to return to 500 with a victory over the Red Sox tonight. That was the Wakenrake presented by Sports Interaction, your homegrown sports book 19 plus bat responsibly. One more sleep until the Oilers get another chance to extend the series against the Florida Panthers. We'll talk to Luke Fox, who's covering the series for Sportsnet and Sportsnet.ca is the fan morning show continues. Ben N.S. Brent Gunning, Sportsnet 590, the fan.
