[MUSIC] >> Yeah, takes two to tango. >> Fan Morning Show sports net five out of the fan, Ben Ennis, Brent Gunning, Bryson DeChambeau, his second US Open title. Great shot, I mean, Johnson Wagner also was able to hit that shot. Two attempts, but yeah, there's a great shot on 18 to close out with the par. And collect his second US Open first with real fans in attendance in the story of the weekend. My God, Rory McRoy, how's it going, buddy? >> Yeah, tough, I thought it was done doing these shows. This is, I'm not going to sit here and tell you it's exactly the same. But this feels like Leafs post playoff show to me. If it was right there, I can sit here and wind and moan and complain about the coverage. And you're all fitting this, Bryson. But yeah, who knows to him but it is honestly just in my gut, in my bones. And I didn't know how I would feel like doing the show today. It feels kind of similar to that. It's a magnitude of five as opposed to a 10 like Leafs playoff losses are for me, but God, that Rory lost hit me hard yesterday. Like I'm a Rory guy through and through. I pull for him as like all the way, I love this guy. And to watch, not one, be one thing if it was one putt that could lip down cost him two, to watch him lose it that way. And then have to go immediately into just like, bracens the best fest. I, yeah, it's, I thought it was going to be like a happy fun post father's day Monday morning and down in the dumps. >> Yeah, the difference between Rory McRoy and the Toronto Maple Leafs, and he is off ended, then you compare the two. He has four major titles. >> I've discussed the Toronto Maple Leafs with Rory McRoy in fact. And I compared them to Man United, not him. >> Uh-huh. >> So I'm sure you would have been offended by that. >> Yeah, no, like he has a history of success at three of the four most important tournaments. >> 2014, 1967, how far apart do they feel to me? The exact same right now. >> Not to me. No, no, no. Okay, so here's the thing. And you know what? Forget it. >> Hey, Bryce, and again, congratulations, what are you on on 18? >> I want to make time eventually to give him his due, but I can't get there right now. >> Sure, but it's the story is Rory McRoy and the now ten-year drought between major titles. And it used to be for me. I'll just speak for me. >> Okay. >> It was like, oh, yeah. God, it's been a long time since he won a major. And boy, he's had some close calls and a lot of runner-up finishes, but I didn't feel like the choker energy around Rory McRoy except at Augusta. Augusta. You could kind of, yeah, you could feel it, right? Because of the back nine where he had it on his right there in front of him. >> It's the picture, Butler Cabin, like, just living in for me forever. He's looking like he's tripping the hatches over there, huh? >> Yeah. Okay, so what it costs, it's maybe a different deal. But the other three majors, the places that he's won before, all of them, right? Like he's just green jacking away from the career grand slam. >> Mm-hm. >> Okay, he hasn't gotten it done in the last decade, but it's not because there's some obvious choker thing that's happened here. It doesn't get any more obvious than what we saw yesterday. First time all season, he missed a putt within three feet. That was on 16. He was 496, 4496, until gagging it up on 16, and then on 18 does a great job to put him in position, put himself in position to make par after hitting it into the native area, which Brice had also did, but then got the good break of not going in the bunker. But the Bryson went in, hits it to within 4 feet, and misses that putt too. To me, I'll make the argument that that's a bigger choke than what Jean Vandevelle did at Carnousti. Because Jean Vandevelle wasn't supposed to be there, just what happened. Jean Vandevelle turned into Jean Vandevelle. >> Sure. >> Okay, what is being clutched, what is choking? Being clutched to me is coming up big in the moment, coming up bigger than yourself in the moment, and being a choker is not being your normal self in those clutch moments. Jean Vandevelle, he was his normal self at Carnousti, just took a while for it to show up. Rory McElroy is one of the best golfers in the world, and he hasn't won a major in 10 years, but he's been at the top of leaderboards, he's won PG2 events. To miss in the fashion that he did twice, once, on 16, the shortest putt, he's missed all season long. And then on 18, a putt that, I don't know, 99.9% of the field given any moment in the tournament makes a ton of times, if not 100% of the time. To me, honestly, there's an argument to be made that that is the biggest choke that we've seen in recent major history. I think I don't disagree with you. I'd love to be able to pull something else and say, "Ah, no, it was this. I think that this is far and away it, and the difference is," and I think the point you're kind of driving at, I'm going to phrase it a slightly different way, is there's a massive difference to me between a true choke and a meltdown, okay? A meltdown is when everything just goes wrong. Well, that's Greg Norman, right? At the Masters. Well, I'll be honest. It's like, I think of more, I think, yes, that, but I also think of Vandevelle. It's like, anytime I see a picture of a guy and he's got his pants rolled up to his ankles and he's standing in a berm somewhere, that is much more meltdown-y. I think of Rory at the Masters in the flowers, way away from where anywhere someone should be in the golf course, a putt of, yeah, three foot nine inches and two foot six inches. That's just a choke. That's a choke. If you don't make that putt, that's a choke. If you don't make that putt, and it wasn't you and I there, it was Rory McElroy. That is, the other thing about Rory, I'd say, is we've had moments and we're going to talk to Sam McKee. Well, he takes the victory lap of all victory laps later today, but there have been moments from Rory that have felt like chokes that weren't, you know, we're going to have the Open Championship in a month or so here, last year, two years ago when Camus Smith took it from him, some people said that was a choke. I disagree. He didn't do anything special, but he didn't choke. There wasn't the obvious must have it. There are two putts inside of four feet and he missed them both. It's a choke. I'd love to sit here and tell you otherwise. I would love to be able to have some rhyme, reason what, how, how he responds to this instantly becomes the most interesting question in golf to me. So he's the first player to finish in the top 10 at seven consecutive U.S. Open since Jack Nicklaus, but he's now the first to finish in the top 10, seven straight times and not win since some guy named Jack Hobans, 114 years ago. He didn't speak to the media, which is, to me, not a big deal. This is not a team sport, right? Like if there was somebody else that had to answer for Rory McElroy, like his, you know, his cat, he had to stand up there and be like, well, give him a bad read. It's on me. Yeah, right. Well, that's not the way it works. I mean, the only people that offends are the people who are there in attendance and have to write their stories, but really it gives them more to write about their, the platitudes that he would have given them. There's one other group that gets offended by this is people and we'll talk to one of them, a card carry member at 730 Samaki. The people who feel that Rory is treated in a different way by the media than 99% of all golfers and that it is just a Rory is the greatest fast. And I hear this and like I'm, I am talking about McElroy, but I do hear this from people who are more kind of live bent for lack of a better term. People who didn't have as much a problem with the guys leaving that the way they talk about Rory is this, this conquering hero. And I think there is, I don't care about this. I think he is more than given his share a good will and eaten tough questions at times he shouldn't have had to, that if he wants to quite frankly, Salk and walk away one time, I'm not going to kill him for it. But I think there is a large segment of people who, oh, who maybe don't love Rory the way I do or not is, you know, don't kind of cheer for him in that regard. They look at it and say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. If Bryson had walked away after this, you'd be raking him over the coals and saying he's a Salker and a cry baby and a loser. Now, I don't think it's apples to apples and I'll gladly have that debate with anybody. But I do think there is a segment of people outside of the normal, no, he should talk to the media that are perturbed. I don't even want to, like, I don't know how much they're bothered by it, but a little perturbed. >> So they're perturbed that it's not covered enough, like they're perturbed that Rory will now not be, you know, raked over the coals for this. >> I think he's going to be finally raked over the coals. >> Okay. >> I don't see any way that anyone's having a conversation today that isn't holy cow Rory is now at the tippy top of the choking, at the list of chokers on the PGA tour? >> I just nobody, everybody pales in comparison to what Rory McElroy is. I got this one, four major titles, right, and has three quarters of the career, Grand Slam. It hasn't, it hasn't happened for him in 10 years, but now he is to me, like, yeah, 10 years ago becomes irrelevant the way that finished yesterday. >> To me, I go back to the question of how he responds to this and I don't think we get a referendum that I'm trying to remember where the open is this year, wherever it is, the open championship. I don't think we get a hard and fast referendum. Guess what? Guys perform poorly in majors all the time. We just saw it with Scotty Sheffler, the guy who everyone had guaranteed fraud to win this thing agreed. We'll get to that in a minute, maybe. But I think that how Rory responds to this over the next calendar year through the end of next year's major season will be very telling because he has had heartbreak before it majors. He has lost majors that he feels he should have won. He's been in contention and not been able to have the hero shot. This is completely different. And I guess it is a, I guess it's a belief of if you think you choke one time and you're a choker forever, I think that this is, I don't, I don't feel as this is a player. And again, feel free to feel differently about it. There's probably enough evidence to argue either side of it. I don't feel this is a guy who has had choking tendencies all through these 10 years. >> I agree. But now he has. >> So that to me is why now this is the question. Because I think, I think you are not, you don't choke once and you were instantly branded forever. It is the one. >> But right now he's a choker. >> It's the one that makes us think that way. And then how does he respond from this? That is the, that is the ultimate kind of question for me out of this. Because again, like this, think about not to make this about the big, bad media. But think about all the times Rory McElroy has uncomfortably sat up there and answer questions. He doesn't want to answer about the state of the game and Saudi money and Jay Monahan knifing him in the back and being the steward for the game and all that. He sat there dutifully. The fact that he just could not take it and had to get out of there yesterday. Super telling. And I'm just, again, I don't begrudge him it. He's allowed one of these. It's been literally one. But I'm curious to see how he responds from it. >> I mean, I don't know if I'd react any differently, especially after hearing. So Bryson, okay, maybe this is now the term time to pivot to Bryson. Not that we're going to not come back around to Rory McElroy for the end of the show. But Bryson DeChambeau does collect his first legitimate major championship. One with fans. >> Yeah, he had a half now. He has two. >> Yeah, he's got a full one. Yeah, full house at an iconic venue in US Open History and an iconic victory. Here's Bryson DeChambeau talking about Rory's meltdown. >> I know you didn't see his round, but can you empathize with what Rory's feeling right now coming up one shot short and missing out on a major championship? >> Yeah. Rory's one of the best to ever play and being able to fight against a great like that is pretty special. For him to miss that putt, I'd never wished it on anybody. It just happened to play out that way and he'll win multiple more major championships. There's no doubt. I think that fire in him is going to continue to grow. And I have nothing but respect for how he plays the game of golf because to be honest, when he was climbing up the leaderboard and he was too ahead, I was like, uh-oh, uh-oh. But luckily things went my way today. >> If I heard that and I was Rory McElroy, you thought he was furious upon the conclusion of his round. He's on the tarmac and he's got the live feed up, although he was in the air before I think Bryson even started his media availability. Again, Adam Stanley was tracking when the private jet took off. I think literally he was in the air before Bryson. >> He has wifi up there, though, that's the thing. >> Maybe I would have been throwing things around inside the cabin there because there's nothing worse man than playing poorly and then having somebody, like it's so bad that somebody needs to be like, hey, buck up there. >> Okay. >> You're going to be fine. >> I do not disagree with any of that. And God, I want to like try to remind me to like give Bryson his do throughout this conversation because he played incredible, especially for how poor a game he had, which I know sounds like an oxymora. >> Or fair ways. >> Fair ways. >> Yeah, I mean, he cracked his driver face nine seconds before he got out there. He had to change it, like honestly, kudos to him. But for a guy who never wants it when it's tough, it's so hard to see me watch him lap it up and give these long lavish answers. This is the thing that has always drove me insane about D-Shampo is that he's a front runner. When things are going well, he's glad to stand up there and answer questions and being gracious as can possibly be and, well, let me make sure I make time for the fans. Where was he making time for the fans when he was having the PGA Tour ban people from tournaments for calling him Bruxy? Like that is the extent of the petty, thin skin nature of this athlete. And maybe he's growing up. Maybe he's mature. People do tend to do that. I tend to think what's happened is he's gone away from the limelight and now he tends to return when it's either going poorly and he can eat it for two or three days or he laps it up like this. So you're right, that would drive me insane if I was Rory. That drives me insane, Frank Gunning, hearing that. That is the thing about Bryson that is driving me and it's funny because I felt myself getting all the way stuck back in. I was going, oh my God, this is great. I love watching it Wednesday or Wednesday. Saturday was one of the most entertaining rounds of golf I've seen with him going back and forth. But it's easy to do that when you're front running and he just seems like such a front runner in this instance to me. So you're not in on Bryson. I was, I was in until Rory missed the putt and then I have to watch him be so pompous and just be the most grotesquely arrogant American like I am all the way out. I felt myself getting sucked in so hard and then I have to watch him just sit there and lap up all the attention that he does not want that he does not want and no, no, but you can't just sit here and be, oh, no, only fat me, only fat me. We have a tough question. Why did you take the live money? We have other questions. You didn't do poorly in tournaments. Can we ask you questions about that? No, no, no. I'm going to talk my tail and hide. No, no, no. I'm going to be good. I do interviews about signing with Liv and about the Saudi blood money and didn't apologize for 9/11. He does that. I think that was Phil Mickelson who apologized for 9/11. I believe so. But I think with Bryson, he did what all these guys did. They hidden, hidden, hidden, and then picked a comfortable spot where it was safe where, I don't know, probably a press person is going, Tomar questions. That's the thing. So I don't look at it as somebody who, like, John, he's seen pretty good trade. He's been pretty sad about how things have gone for him since. Bryson is just such a front runner in this regard. So again, like in terms of the way he played, amazing, that shot, some of the pots he hit. The fact that the guy who we think of as the big bomber, wanting us open with his driver being the worst club in the bag, incredibly impressive. But I'd be lying to you if I didn't feel myself do a complete 180 the second he got the trophy in his hands. Yeah, I don't think, I mean, I'm not saying that it's the wrong opinion. I'm saying it's not even close to the prevailing sentiment. Yeah, I'm aware. That's why I brought it here. I thought, you know, I should probably shed some light on what I'm feeling about this issue because I feel like I'm taking crazy pills watching everybody fed this guy unanimously. I'm going nuts. Yeah, I don't see where he put a foot wrong, honestly. I think it's been one of the most insane, incredible, incredible turnarounds in recent sports history. Yeah, this is a sport in golf that people are not generally polarizing. They're all, they're all pretty, pretty cookie cutter. They're very similar. A lot of can't lays poking around. A lot of guys that grew up a silver spoon in hand, 100%, it's a sport with a pretty high barrier to entry. And the fact that we had a person that was as polarizing in a negative way as Bryson DeChambeau was going through the Brooks Kepka beef and that just like pompous, like absolutely like holier than now smarter than you, thing that Bryson DeChambeau went through to where we are now where, I mean, he's winning the US Open. He's walking through the crowds with the US Open trophy saying he wants everybody to have a piece of it, like just factually and whether you think it's craven or not, did stay, who cares? Who cares? He stayed two hours past his responsibilities to sign autographs and take pictures with people. I mean him and the viral clip of, again, Johnson Wagner. Yeah, my boy. For golf channel, trying to recreate the bunker shot on 18 in the dark and incomes Bryson with the US Open trophy, giving them pointers, giving them a blow by blow of how that went down. To me, there's been no bigger 180 of public perception and rightly so. Like, I don't know if Bryson's a good person, I have no idea, but I don't know if any of these guys are. I'm telling you, the people that were rooting against him, not that long ago, I guess I can't say 100%, 99.9% of those people, like myself, have done a 180 and are actively rooting for him. And he is now, he's the guy when they tee it back up. There's another signature event this week, which is insane. When they tee it back up on the PGA Tour, it's not John Romme, it's not Brooks Kepka. It's Bryson DeChambeau that I will feel the absence most of all the live guys. I don't disagree with any of that. I think he is wonderful for the game. I think golf to your point needs more compelling figures, whatever way, shape, or form, they come in, quite frankly, like, I don't have to like them. I don't have to agree with all of them, but you're right. I think it is good for the game that there's a character like Bryson. The thing I keep coming back to is, yeah, he has all the time in the world's for the fans when he's won the US Open. But when fans are calling him Brooksi and he's crying to the tour saying this is unfair to me, I don't think that guy has changed. I think he just won. I think that's all that happened. Do you think if, I don't know what would have happened to have caused this, but if something would have gone to the crowd where they would have done a complete 180 on Bryson and they're out on him and they would have just been unanimously pulling Ferrari, do you honestly think he would have been like, "Hey, I love you guys, I'm here to share this all with you." No, of course not. Yeah, he's sharing the victory, right? I don't know. There's alternate reality where he's like, "I'm sharing the loss with you." No, even if he... But what you're talking about is exactly, I mean, that's the whole point. Is that the person appears to have changed? But that's the thing. I'm telling you, the person didn't change. The circumstances did. He won. He won a golf tournament that everyone thought was awesome and he played incredibly in. But the circumstances changed. Not every person. No, there's been multiple major failures between then and now as well. Right. Like it hasn't been... And this is just his second major. Yes. His first with fans. Yeah. But he like... I don't know how you want me to play out the scenario where like he loses and then what I don't know. The fans are on him. No, no, no, no. It was home open. Like I don't understand. I'm asking you to realize that this isn't a person, I believe, and hey, like who am I to say, fair, that has had some come to Jesus moment who is now. I couldn't disagree more on this. But go ahead. Okay. Yeah. I don't think this is some person who has had some come to Jesus moment and he's a completely new individual now. I think he's a front runner and things are going super well for him. That's what I think is happening. I think this is somebody that understands public perception is important and he's... I mean, he has taken the first step and that's right. Like he's done these YouTube videos. He's been the most engaging golfer on social media, right? Like people know him because he's allowed them to know him, right? Kind of. Like, know him. I mean, as much as you can, more than any of these other guys. Well, I guess the difference is, is like, okay, like just to do a correct, a complete Rory Bryson scenario, I feel like is it as compelling as a cool YouTube video? No, it's not. But I've seen Rory sit up there on podium after good times and let's be honest, after more bad than good and pour his heart out. I feel like I actually do have a sense of as much as you can, because you're right, who really knows with any of this. But all of it just comes from such a craven place, in my opinion, with Bryson. Yeah, I mean, he wants people to like him. He wants his Q-rating to go up, which is, I think, the MO of any celebrity, let alone sport celebrity. All right, that's... We disagree. Yes, we do. Let's move on from Bryson, again, like, to me, and I think for most people, he's done a complete 180, and I'm actively rooting for him, and he's the guy that I'm going to miss the one. I just want to add to our resumes. One more point on that, I think, and this isn't like wholly unique, a lot of people have made it, but I think it's very germane to the Bryson conversation, and him, more so than anyone else. Four times he hears the perfect amount of Bryson for a lot of people, and you don't get to see the bad, because guess what, if he completely blows out of the open championship, he just goes away and no one ever thinks about it. He doesn't have to sit there and answer a million tough questions. He just gets to go away and be a live guy and go on YouTube and could be, again, in the bubble of complete vetting. So I think he is the perfect guy who is actually, like, we may feel it's not enough, but I think in the grand scheme of things for all of us, four times a year, maybe five, if he gets a President's Cup Ryder Cup in there, is the perfect amount of Bryson. We don't get to see him tee it up this week. What is the signature event this week? Travelers in Connecticut. How dare you? The Travelers, okay. Shout out to Travelers Insurance, I think. That's worse. You're a better man than me. No free ads are paying the tour, not paying me. Well, yeah, I'm going to take the step forward towards Travelers, and perhaps they step towards me as well. Anyways, so this is where Scotty Scheffler gets to resume his romp through the jobbers that are the PGA tour players. Five-time winner on the PGA tour, one-time major champion at Augusta National, where we understand it's a little different, like, if Rory is different in a bad way, he's never won there, and it's obviously, yeah, it's a place that has a spot in the choker section of Rory McElroy's brain, which we understand is growing by the moment, but it's a different deal there, where, like, Tiger can make the cut there and look like a competent player for a bit, because of local knowledge, because of where you have to hit it on the greens, just a different place than the other majors. I'm not saying it doesn't take incredible skill, it's a smaller field, though, as well. You've got a bunch of past champions. Anyways, and he's won there twice, kudos to him, and he's also competed in the other majors. Yeah. But I got to tell you the way he performed at the U.S. Open this weekend, like, to me, he is very much on all right, this PGA tour stuff, it's great, like, rack up some more victories in another short field event, this week, I don't care, like, I'm done, I'm done with it, I'm done with it, win somewhere else other than Augusta. Okay, I'm not there at all, I am done with it in a very, very different way, and it's just that, I don't know, in this business, sometimes you, like, this is a little, like, inside media here, but, you know, sometimes you really want to stick with an opinion, even if you're, like, starting a waiver on it, because you're like, I want to be on this, like, I want to be the one who was right about this. There's no opinion, I have held doing this, talking about golf that has ever rang more true than, man, this won't last, this, however excited you are about somebody being over, it's over. It's over. No, no, I'm not even saying it's over. It's just, I am. It's over. Okay. Okay. I'm saying, like, the feeling you had, we, Scott, you have to teeing it up before Thursday's round. Yeah. That's over. Okay. Yes, I don't, I don't disagree with that. But every time we did this, a column or a cow, I won two majors before he was 25 years old, and we sit here and we go, oh my, how many, seven, eight, well, probably not more than Rory, if we're going to be perfectly honest about it, and we're at this exact same place with Sheffler. I think it's going to be a really good golfer for a long time. I think he's going to compete in tournaments and in majors, but this little transcendent stretch that we saw here, their reason Tiger was Tiger and everybody else is everybody else is because it's impossible to be a comet for that long. They burn out. It's just impossible to stay that razor sharp for that long. It's why the guys, again, like my favorite Tiger stat of all of them is the weeks at world number one and how much he dwarfs everybody else on that list. He has like 600 weeks at world number one. The next closest person is Tiger's other streak of 200 and something weeks to be able to do it with that consistency is what made him remarkable. And this is the thing about Sheffler for me. I will steadfastly believe it if Bryson goes and wins the open championship, I'm going to be ringing the same thing. And I know the shocking everyone given what I just said about Bryson for the first bit of the show, but it never ever lasts in golf. So hey, congrats, Scotty. Yeah. Too bad. The Louisville police robbed you of that other major you probably should have had. But here we are. Yeah. He's good. He's very good. Of course. Incredible. The healing we had though where he's like a plus 300 favorite to win a major. She go. That's it's dead and buried. Yep. It is over until he wins outside of Augusta National. I don't care how many signature events he wins on the PGA tour. I don't care how many PGA tour events he wins. It's it's I did that's where that's where I get off the boat. I still think winning tour events is incredibly impressive. Yeah. It's impressive. But it doesn't assure you your spot as the overwhelming favorite every time like the whole field of the world of the greatest golfers, the live guys specifically join up and you play full field events. Yeah. If we're talking about who should be the favorite every time that ship is 1000% sale. But there have been I mean the guys winning tons of tour events every year and then winning no majors. You know what that's called a good career for a lot of guys and that ain't shufflers. So he has to rip off the odd major here or there if he wants to continue to be in this club of guys. But again, he already has two of them. It's won the Masters twice. If he wins at another venue somewhere or he does the Kepka thing where the US Open is his other one or it's the PGA or whatever the case may be it. It's crazy how he's already halfway to the guys from this generation that we fed down a long way to go to get there. But I I'd still look at a guy who rips off PGA tour wins and I think he's still going to get his share of him is super dangerous but not in the same way. No, not in the same way. Yeah. And of course the comparison is to Tiger Woods who by the way did not say for sure that this wasn't his last US Open like this could be it for Tiger. He might as well have said it is for sure. Normally it's just as long as I feel like I compete I'll be back here bubble, bubble ball. It does feel like every time he gets asked that question we're able to strip a little bit of the armor off him to get the real answer of I'm old that I shouldn't be doing this anymore. Someday soon. Yeah, it really it felt like a passing of the torch and an end of an era for Tiger Woods who who's been on record is saying he's not going to be a ceremonial player. He's going to play the Open Championship he said he's already committed to that. That's the last and only tournament he's going to play the conclusion of the season. Yeah. I mean we're getting close to like Freddy Couples land where like we see him at Augusta and that's it. Yeah, I do wonder. I mean I ask myself this all the time but I wonder when he'll just eventually truly give in and like be not but he will never allow himself to be with Jack and Gary player. Yeah. You got to eventually be that guy and we're away from that still but oh God how old I'm going to feel when that happens. Yeah, it's over for Tiger and it was probably before we saw his first two rounds at the US Open. All right, when we come back Blue Jays back to within a game of 500 they won a series against like a good team. That's weird. We'll get to that in more next as the fan morning show continues Ben and his friend gunning Sports at 590 the fan. Dive deep into Toronto Sports and the NFL. The J.D. Bunk is podcast. Subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Ben Morning, Joe Sports at 590 the fan and it's brand gunning no live spoken by Kevin Gossman after his performance on Friday which should be good enough to at least keep you in the ball game gave up three earned runs over five and a third. Not enough though because the Blue Jays only managed three hits and a three won loss. They bounce back nicely against the Cleveland Guardians but I think some interesting insight into some of the thought processes of these starting pitchers pitching behind this Blue Jays offense. I wish we could get some hits like that. Yeah, that honestly that could have been the whole quote right there. There's a lot of other words around there that provide you know a little more context and some further understanding of maybe what he was getting at but it really doesn't need to bode much beyond that. That's as naked as it's been. It feels like Kevin Gossman has been he started whispering this last year. Then he talked a little bit louder about it and like we're not quite screaming it from the rooftops yet but certainly getting there when you get a quote like that and I appreciate the honesty from him but my God that is that's telling. I mean he's so right. Oh yes, I mean anybody to not say that he's very correct. Yes. Anybody who's watched this Blue Jays team play through what now over 70 games 71 games they played. Yeah, has to come to the same conclusion that it's like embarrassing the level of offense that they've produced and that yeah giving up three earned runs shouldn't be the death nail and you get into the sixth inning and you know what it wasn't yesterday. Jose Barrios had a I guess similar if not worst start he got a couple more outs but give up one more earned run give up four and runs over six eight hits and the Blue Jays won a baseball game seven six over the Cleveland Guardians to once again pulled it within one game of five hundred but yeah you're not human if you're a starting pitcher and you're not at least feeling some resentment towards the guys who get paid as much if not more than you to hit the baseballs over the fence and they haven't been able to do that at all. Yeah. And it's resulted in more losses for you and I know we don't as baseball observers is opinionist sports opinionists look at the win loss record I'll tell you those starting pitchers like there's a reason why they want to get through five. And that's because they want the win on their ledger and Kevin Gossman hasn't had the best season but the ERA is respectable now it's just above four he's five and five. Yeah. He's like I should be I should be much better than this my record if I was pitching for the Yankees you wouldn't be talking about how disappointing a season this is you'd be like yeah he started the season off a little bit banged up but he's kept his team in ball games and guess what that offense has carried them to victories instead he's what's the conversation around Kevin Gossman he's got to be better. He's where's the Kevin Gossman that's top five in American league sighing award voting. And no no surprise that he's getting a little bit perturbed at the lack of offensive success behind him. Yeah I think the other thing that leads to the comments it's is that he's not alone in this regard I think he would be much less or sorry much more hesitant to say this if it was Kevin Gossman ace alone and you know the other starters are scuffling around him I think he is more beholden to say this stuff because he's not just taken up his own cause he's taking up the cause of the four guys that have been around him in the rotation and they've all I mean you know the fifth starter spot has been a little questionable but the four guys we think of is the Blue Jays rotation they've all been nails to relative degrees this year so I think that's the other part of it is that this isn't him just doing it for himself there is an element of him kind of taking up for the rotation around him and the last part of this or another part I'll add to it I guess I should say is that I think the thing that has to lead to the frustration as well is that up until recently there's been very little not that these moves that have been made have been earth shattering although Horwitz and Barcher playing pretty well since they've got called up it's that there hadn't been any urgency to change a thing it was all right vocal box still here you know I don't think anybody necessarily thought cabin BGO was the problem but BGO still here and Turner's gonna get his ton of it bats and it just felt like there was nothing being done and I'm sure that's what added to the frustration as well at least now you can say they're trying to do something here with the call-ups of Barcher and Horwitz yeah I'm Daniel Vogelbach DFA Daniel as he's known around these parts was finally DFA they heard us clamoring for it and they said all right these guys sir yeah I think anybody that looks at the length and breadth of the annual Vogelbach's career and understands okay he does two things not even super well like he has on occasion taken walks and hidden and hit home runs he did that one time as a member of the Toronto Blue Jays but generally he runs his course because he's a very one-dimensional player has no position and can't hit lefty so I'm to take up a roster spot for as long as he did on it on one of the worst offensive teams in all the baseball is quite remarkable that he made it into mid-June at all anyways he's finally DFA and up comes Addison Barcher for a second go around and looks a little bit better like he's getting better results I mean to your point about hey what are we doing here like what you're just sitting around waiting for different results out of the same guys that's probably not a good idea finally you know it's come in dribs and drives it took forever for George Springer to be removed from the lead off spot here it took forever before that for Davis Schneider to become an everyday player it took forever for Daniel Vogelbach providing his no offense and nothing else to be removed from the roster at least finally we're moving this rock it's slowly starting to roll down the hill here and I think the next spot we're going to get to now it's a little easier to get some guys in the lineup with both a shit little banged up right now but what we're going to get to is and we're starting to hear some booze for George Springer I think what we're going to get to here is diminished playing time we've already seen it with Kevin Kiermer okay Kevin Kiermer is already the fourth outfielder I mean joining him on the bench on more than a few occasions per week I think is going to be George Springer Madison Barcher shows any ability to hit baseballs even if he doesn't frankly like what intrigues you what what makes you more excited to watch the Toronto Blue Jays right now is it the potential and the the learning and honestly like the youthful exuberance that exists in an Addison Barcher or is it or is it yeah the decaying corpse of George Springer and and now more than a year long sample of him just not being a capable offensive player to me it's the former yeah definitely and I I do think we're still at a point where you don't I shouldn't say you don't look at all the things you just mentioned there of what is more entertaining what gets more butts and seats but also what is going to help your ball club I think they're kind of the same thing at this point in time and if not you can cut bait on Barcher they have done this before already but I think there's this was part of the worry the concern I had when we are I'm trying to remember if he had a fit I guess he hadn't been because Vollibok was the other move but when we had talked about yeah would you have liked Barcher to have been the guy that got the call up or them to make a spot for him my concern was that I didn't want him coming up here and playing once every four days and just kind of being an extra guy coming in late in games I didn't want that for him you throw in the fact of Springer and his lack of performance I think you add to that the accountability of okay it's not Bo it's not Vlad but that is just about as high on the pecking orders you can go outside of those two guys if you're seen to be sitting him down or putting him in his proper place on the team I think that just allows you to kind of hold everyone else more accountable from a managerial standpoint so I think that's the other part of this that kind of can't be overlooked is that yeah for sure appease the pitchers rightfully so but appease the team as a whole the guys know and not to say that they don't you know have belief in George Springer and God I'm sure him and Justin Turner are sitting there having believe fest in each other just going hey old man you can do it oh no you're the young spry one at 34 you can do it I'm sure that's happening but for the rest of the team how could it not be a shot in the arm to have guys come up especially if they're going to perform like horrible taz and barge did this weekend yeah I at least do something at least have the potential of something else happening here because I don't know what you think of a large enough sample is to be able to evaluate what a what a player is to me 218 games is more than enough mm-hmm that's what we're looking at for George Springer over the last year and now a couple of months into this season over that span 218 games 158 of them coming last year that's 952 played appearances it's a lot a thousand played appearances okay George Springer has an OBS of 689 that's that's that's a season and a half cannot be happening for an everyday player that makes 20 sheets a year 25 or whatever it is yeah and that's not going away and that's an unfortunate part of this because if that didn't exist like clearly we'd be looking at Daniel Volga Bocktown for George Springer as the sample grows yep right so like he's he's got a roster spot because of the money that he's earning for now and he still does provide you some defensive value especially in the corner of field spot and I guess you can you can squint and see the him maybe returning now like you look at last season's league average offense mm-hmm and you're like oh get back to that somehow yep and and maybe that that's the the strongest reasoning you can have for him being in the lineup at all but at at this point there is like there's no recourse for George Springer there's no it's not in the before times where he's like but give me a chance to to regain your trust the lead off spot no it what what we have to go on all we have is a thousand played appearances of you being not it the point I always make about an aging baseball player as well is that unlike the other kind of you know three major North American sports they're not to say you can't pick a guy's spot and put him in better positions right like obviously you can platoon a guy or start him against pitchers that have a better profile but you know the Leafs they did the thing where Jason Spencer went from playing 19 minutes a night for Dallas new as one player and then you play him 11 minutes a night for the Leafs and he's a completely different guy it doesn't work that way with baseball there's no world where you give George Springer three days off his feet a week or whatever whatever the metric error the number that works out for you and he's spry and he can catch up to the fastball and everything is right it does not work that way in this sport and that is the most frustrating part is that in just about every other team sport you can find a way to massage it a guy has a different role and they're still providing a ton of value once you are not an everyday guy not say there is no value to be had of course there is you need all 26 guys to win a world series yada yada yada but I look at it with Springer and that is the most frustrating part about this is it's really really hard to squint and see the kind of rosy picture for this the rest of the way yeah I'd see he's done he's cooked he's finished being a more direct a productive major league player he's not done being a major league player because of the contract it might be done at some point being a Toronto bluejay if they just decided sunk cost and they can better spend those dollars and you know we're paying in many ways let's let's pay him to go away that might be coming probably not until the end of the season I think I can't see your work like what is what are you doing that for now well yeah now they called all the guys up right like there's one guy left it's a relevance Martinez who's dropped off a little bit I mean still hitting home runs but sure at some point he's going to arrive I'm sure you can find another roster manipulation to get him up there will find a way and it may be it's Justin Turner eventually being traded away if he has any value at all but that's the guy you're probably deifying before George Springer anyways so so the messaging has been and not so much with their actions when it comes to Spencer Horowitz because he came up and he was thrown immediately into the top part of the lineup lead up to whole hitter against righties that's right back in there but for Addison Barger it's been bottom of the the order we're not asking you to be the savior is kind of the the if not said explicitly implicitly hey these guys are coming up we know we've underperformed offensively they're not going to be the reason for the turnaround we're not asking them to be the reason for the turnaround the reality is that's the only reason there's a potential turnaround because there's nobody that you look at this nine man line up outside of those guys in Boba she has the only guy but like maybe what he's been this season is closer to the reality I don't know like the longer this goes the less inclined I am to believe that the September the August and September of 2022 is going to emerge for him and especially now he's banged up but outside of him like everybody's kind of what they are I think Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is this I think I want to recurk the idea that he can get back to being an all-star offensive player that's gone just told you about George Springer Dalton Varsha was doing the Dalton Varsha thing like leads the team at home runs playing great defense can't argue with what he's given you the only reason to believe that thing that like okay they're winning some series remember I was like well are they different do I have a different belief in them going towards a trade deadline the only reason that that might happen is because of the young guys it's because Davis Schneider continues to do what he's doing and I know he's gone through a little dip but yep I think yeah he's looked pretty Davis Schneiderish Spencer Horowitz continues to set the table at the double lineup and then you get something out of Addison Barcher those are the only guys that could potentially give me reason to believe in this baseball team so you can tell me that they're not the saviors if they're not in the seasons over yeah they should never ever ever be looked at as the saviors but that just because something isn't a good option doesn't mean that's all you've got we we all know we've been in this position in our life of oh this is really like a fork dinner yeah well I've got a spoon I'm gonna figure this out I have to eat that's kind of where the Blue Jays are at right now is Horowitz and Barcher these guys are not perfect far be it you know why you know why they're not perfect because they would have been here the whole time if they were the saviors and the answers but you're right it's the only path I think with Bishette we are going to I don't know which month I'm not ready to quite call my shot on it yet we're going to have the month where he's red hot and maybe it's too little too late I think probably will be too little too late especially if he's kind of dealing with something I can see this be in like the August surge or something but I don't think it'll get him back to the levels and the heights that he's reached in the past it has to come from those places and you know yeah we can sit here and dream on the on the Vlady launch angle stuff I think we're all done on that if it happens great but the idea of banking on it I feel more comfortable banking that Barcher is going to come save the season quite frankly and that's pretty telling in and of itself they're the only the only route to that is the starters continuing to be with what they've been if not better and then getting with what we talked about from those case yeah I think Vladimir Guru Jr. is likely to be the thing that he's been every year of his career say for one where he played in minor league ballparks a guy that's good but not great and sub 800 OPS every season he's had in the major leagues of baseball outside of 2021 what a fun long term contract negotiation that will be anyways Red Sox in town to start a series against the Blue Jays tonight first time these two facing each other this season coming off a nine stolen base game so what I was just going to say it's like that I didn't know you're allowed to do that yeah I know you're not like that's like in any you gotta get on bases steel bases no but I just you know we'd like talk about three true outcomes baseball and we're kind of getting out of that I love the idea that there's still teams out there running around wild and crazy and like I know Ellie don't Cruz trying to bring back the hundredth steel season and Akuna did what he did it's not like no players do this but it does just seem so forward especially having watched the Blue Jays yeah Red Sox been around for a while never had a nine stolen base came as they did yesterday against the Yankees all right time now for the Canadian football report brought to you by a security in Canada the official life insurance partner of the CFL here's your week to recap for the CFO of course the R goes on by but Thursday night in their season opener the red blacks they handed the blue bombers their second loss of the season they beat them 23 19 at TD stadium TD play stadium Ottawa's starting QB Drew Brown he used to back up Zach Caleros and Winnipeg came out with the win in the first time facing his old team went for 238 yards and a score so the blue bombers great cup favorites start the season and they're owing to Ottawa nice start for them after a week one by their one and no the defending great cup champions the Montreal a wets they're two and oh this season they haven't played a home game yet they went into Edmonton week two held off the elks 23 20 as a house running back Walter Fletcher scored a couple of a touchdown Saturday the Lions putting on a show over 53,000 at BC place for their home opener 26 17 over the stamp eaters both Calgary and BC both one and one and finally rough riders spoiling the Tiger Cats home opener as they rallied back to win 33 30 on the final play of the game 43 yard field goal Sunday night in Hamilton Saskatchewan second comeback win in as many weeks they're alone atop the west division they're the only team at two and oh Ty cats the only team in the east without a win they sit at the bottom of the division and oh and two that was the loud crying sound I heard from the hammer on Sunday night I was wondering what it was and now all the timeline all adds up now yeah a good week for the Argos as they watched the Ty cats lose and they do not lose they remain one and oh that was the Canadian football report brought to you by a security in Canada the official life insurance partner of the CFL when we come back Oilers will alive for at least one more game will we be headed back to Alberta for a game six and have a few more dribs and drabs on the Mitch Marner situation that more next as the The fan morning show continues, Ben and his Brent Gunning Sports said 590 the fan.
