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Marc Salinas on Proctor, Karen Read and Hunter Biden | 6.12.24 - The Grace Curley Show Hour 3
Today's podcast is brought to you by Howie's new book Paperboy. To order today, go to HowieCarShow.com and click on store. Live from the Ibiba Trateria Studio, it's The Grace Curly Show. We've got to bring in a new voice, a young voice, a rising voice, Grace Curly. You can read Grace's work in the Boston Herald and the spectator. Especially Grace, Grace Stand Up. Here's the millennial with the mic, Grace Curly. Welcome back everyone to The Grace Curly Show. Michael Proctor is still on the stand, being cross-examined by Alan Jackson. And he was just asking him if he thinks he treated Karen Reid differently than he treated the McAlberts. And he said no. Actually, I think he used his favorite, absolutely not. Because all these things are, you know, his integrity is without question here. And I know that Alan Jackson has to stick to the script. But what I would have loved for him to say is did you talk about any of their inuses? Because if not, then yeah, you treated them differently than Karen. Did you talk about their asses, whether or not they had asses or not? Did you make mention of any of the Alberts or Jennifer McCabe's ass? Well, if you didn't, then you treated her differently than you treated Karen Reid. Did you call any of them whack jobs? Did you call any of them the C-word? Well, then if you didn't, then I got news for you, Michael Proctor. You treated them differently. You treated them like real human beings and not with disdain. And by the way, he says, did you hate Karen Reid? Did you grow to hate her? Well, I would say that he hated her from the get-go because he's texting these things 16 hours after the investigation commences. So he clearly wasn't very fond of her from the beginning. But then he says, no, I follow the facts. I follow the facts. I would hate to see what this man writes about people that he does hate. If he doesn't hate Karen Reid and this is the stuff he's writing about her, can you imagine if he had a vendetta against someone? What he would write? It is. There's so much to unpack. Joining us now to talk about this, we're going to go into Hunter Biden a little bit as well. I know today has been more focused on the Karen Reid trial. And if you're not interested in it, I do apologize for that, but this is a massive day in the trial. So just stay with us and then tomorrow we'll be on to other topics. Mark Cilinas joins us now. Mark, my first question, and I asked this to turn a boy. I posed this question at the beginning of the show, is with all of this evidence, with all of these text messages, with all of this humiliating stuff that is just pouring out of this case that Michael Proctor is having to read back to the jurors. If D.A. Michael Morrissey knew that this stuff was all going to be allowed in court, why did they allow it to get this far? Don't you think at a certain point it would have been more beneficial for them to say, we're dropping the charges. We can't have this go to court? It's hard to imagine why we got to where we are right now, but the DA's office, I'm sure they just took the position that, hey, this is not the best case in the world, but she's our suspect. We're going to go forward with it. We understand there's problems with the case and just went with the facts that they had. I don't even sound like I have any credibility trying to explain it, Grace, because I can't explain it. I'm stunned by some of the testimony that we're hearing in this case. Yeah, and that was going to be my follow-up question about the stunning nature of these texts, because in some cases you'll have someone, a defendant who feels as though things are biased against them, or feels as though the cops came in with a set narrative and didn't really give them a chance to explain their case, and they have to just kind of, they have to just put that aside and face the fact that this is what they're dealing with. In this case, Karen Reed can actually prove that these people that were investigating her hated her, and that they were saying horrible things about her, and that they went into this case without any objectivity whatsoever, does that, in your mind, is that all you need to know as far as Karen Reed getting off? Yeah, I think it's a huge part of the case, and I think on that fact alone, you just look at the testimony and point to the corruption of the state police that was laid bare in this case, that that's the reason why this jury should acquit Karen Reed. You can simply stay, because of the conduct that you've heard that the state police was engaged in, you can't believe any of the testimony, any of the investigative techniques, because these people were not treating this defendant fairly. You know, as a criminal defense lawyer and all the attorneys that I talked to, we always have our suspicions that there's some weird things going on with investigations, but to see it come out in the way that it did really was shocking, and I'm not sure what's more shocking. The fact that it's going on, or just the sheer stupidity of the state police using their cell phones in this manner, and that's another big problem with these investigations. This is an issue I've had in a lot of my cases. We all know this isn't the dukes of hazard, people aren't using CB radios anymore. When these police officers are investigating cases, they're texting, they're using their cell phones, and none of this stuff is ever turned over to the defense lawyers. Well, they got it in this case, and you see what happens, this needs to be turned over to all the defense lawyers, any communications of state police officers investigating criminal cases. Yeah, and in most cases, when you think about the conflicts of interest here, he knew the kid and police had to recuse themselves. He still was asking them questions, you know, pretty far into this investigation, still reaching out to them. He's also texting with witnesses, or he's texting with people who know the witnesses about getting gifts from them, and he's interviewing people, and there's no recordings of these interviews. As a lawyer, I'm speaking with Mark Salinas from Sylvan Salinas, as someone who's been involved in cases that have to deal with all of this footage of witnesses being interviewed and transcriptions of said interviews, how rare is it that you have all these things, and there's no record of it, that people are going into each other's homes and interviewing people in that way? Everything is supposed to be recorded one way or the other, and typically what you're going to see is there's going to be a record of all the interviews contained in the police reports, some interviews are recorded, and all of that information needs to be turned over to the defense attorneys, especially if it's exculpatory, meaning it might show that they're not guilty of the crime. But here, all of this shows this massive bias that was involved, and you touched on that just a couple of minutes ago, Grace. They were not treating Karen Reed fairly, and like everybody else. They zeroed in on Karen Reed and built this investigation about making her the suspect and not looking at anybody else, because you can't look at the conduct here and reasonably conclude that they were looking at everybody the same way. They simply were not. It's amazing that this police, this trooper, even has his job still. Yeah, and it's also amazing that he's involved in another very high-profile case with Brian Walsh, the story out of CoHasset, the horrible, horrible atrocity that occurred there. Mark, I wanted to ask you, because I've received this question from a few people. So let's say Karen Reed is acquitted, okay? What happens next? And this is kind of a two-fold question, because you hear about things like double jeopardy, and I don't know, you know, I always tell people I'm not a legal expert. That's why I bring on Mark. In that case, if Karen Reed gets acquitted, is there any follow-up? Is there any possibility that the feds bring charges against her or that it goes beyond that? And the other part of the question is, if she's acquitted and she's, you know, maybe she goes down a path of looking for a defamation suit against the state police, and that whole thing, what about the McCabe's and the Alberts? Are they, is there any possibility that a case is brought against the third-party culprits in this story? For all practical purposes, the case will end. There will be no more prosecution against Karen Reed if she's acquitted of this crime. And then as a practical matter, they're not going to go after anybody else, because they'd never be able to win that case, because this case has so much publicity, and everybody knows about that the first person that they accused of this crime was Karen Reed. They can't go and then re-indite somebody else and say, "Well, we missed it on the first time, so we're going to try against this person." It doesn't work like that. The DA's office wouldn't go down that path at all. Yeah, and you mentioned the text messages that we have, that we've been listening to Michael Proctor read today. And some people who have been following this case, I know Turtleboys mentioned it, it's giving people a little bit of a glimpse into the possibility that perhaps the feds are already looking at this, and maybe that's how these messages have come to light. Do you think there's any truth to that? Do you take that as a hint that the feds have maybe gotten someone to turn, or that they know more than we are aware of right now? I think, circumstantially, that's a reasonable conclusion to lead. The federal, the feds are looking at this, but what are they looking at? That's the big question. Are they looking into the mass-state police in their conduct in this case? And, you know, are they looking at the DA's office and the way they handle this case? Everything is on the table, and my understanding is, I can't confirm this, that a lot of the way, the law, these text messages and other evidence that came out was through the federal investigation, and some of this information did make it way into the defense attorneys, and it wasn't turned over directly from the Massachusetts State Police. So, it's a very odd procedural case in how we got here today. It's just bizarre. It's hard to even explain some of the events that unfolded in this case. I've never seen it in 20-plus years. I mentioned the defamation suit because I've had textures ask me about that, and it actually, it makes me think of another question, which is, you know, we're not used to -- I know the internet's been around for a while, but to have a case like this, of local people go nationwide, and then to have a trial where so many people have had their reputation, some of them rightfully, some of them wrongfully destroyed in the public eye. Where do these people go from here? Like, does Karen Reid have a case? One of my callers said she'll have seven months to file a defamation suit. Does she have any avenue to get her reputation back? And what about the other players in this case? Have you ever witnessed something like this where people have to basically go on with their normal lives and pretend that this massive scandal didn't just occur in their town? You're never going to get your reputation back. Once you get charged with a crime, whether or not you're acquitted or you're found guilty, this is going to stick with you for the rest of your life. And unfortunately, you know, Karen Reid stood wrongly accused if she's acquitted. She probably would not do very well with a defamation suit because it's -- these cases have been looked at before, as long as there was a reasonable basis to bring the claims, then they're probably going to be okay. Now, I'm not saying that this is a winning case, they had a strong case, but the reality of it is a lot of these prosecutions are brought forward on thin evidence, and it's up to the juries to clear these people in court, but she'll never get her reputation back. It's just never going to happen. Now, Mark Salinas, I did want to ask your reaction to the Hunter Biden convictions. He was convicted on three charges in his gun trial case. Obviously, the tax evasion case, which a lot of us are more interested in, that starts up in September, would just like your first reaction to the news that broke yesterday that he was actually convicted, and now we're just waiting on sentencing. What say you, Mark Salinas? You know, the evidence was overwhelming. The jury had to convict him on this case. But the problem I have is that I don't think he ever should have been charged with this crime much in the same way that Donald Trump should have not been charged -- should not have been charged in New York either. I've talked to plenty of federal prosecutors. Not one of them can recall ever seeing an individual being charged with a crime in this manner, meaning checking off a box saying I'm not addicted to drugs when they're applying for a firearms license. These things are never prosecuted. So it was prosecuted because it was Hunter Biden, and it was also prosecuted because you recall there is this sweetheart plea deal that no one could believe that was going to give Hunter Biden immunity indefinitely into the future, that this judge blew up and said no way it's not going to happen. So the Department of Justice with Egg all over their face had to do something, and now they were really stuck between a rock and a hard place because they couldn't just cut bait on the case, so they be grudgingly had to go forward with this case and get a conviction. And a lot of people are saying, well, you know what, this is just a distraction, and you know, this is all part of a bigger plan. Well, we'll see what happens on this, but Hunter Biden was convicted. He should have been convicted. Whether or not he should have been charged, that's up for debate. Mark Salinas, we always love when you come on the show, you're able to offer such insight into all of these issues, and we really appreciate it. Can you tell people where they can reach you if they have a question for your team at Sylvan Salinas? Oh, thanks for those kind words, Grace. My office is in North Theand over. You can find us at www.sslawteam.com or you can follow me on Twitter and Instagram @MarkSalinasESQ. 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Not pardoning people. But I read a piece today that argued that it actually would make it more difficult for Biden to navigate these waters if Donald Trump promises to pardon Hunter Biden. Again, I really don't care what happens once he gets in there. But if he made them, if he makes the promise, just to see their reactions would be kind of amazing. And I want to read you just a tiny bit here. It's from Rusty Weiss in Red State. He says there's no political victory here for Trump. You might think that Biden's conviction would be welcome news for the GOP nominee. But to the contrary, it actually gives President Joe Biden an edge by allowing him to argue the justice system is fair impartial and it worked. We saw that in the media yesterday, Jared. There was a lot of people, including, I think, Andrew Weissman, who was saying this is just evidence that Joe Biden is the rule of law embodied. He is just, he is everything about the integrity of our justice system in this one man. They were really running with this idea of see, see, if Hunter Biden's a convicted felon, then that just shows that Donald Trump is a convicted. Two things can be true at the same time. Hunter Biden can be a crook. Hunter Biden can be a misogynistic sleaze bag. And Donald Trump could have been railroaded by the Justice Department. Like one doesn't offset the other. Well, if we convict Hunter Biden, then surely that means the justice system wasn't rigged against Trump. We can walk and chew gum at the same time. I don't, I don't have any, uh, I don't have any doubt that you guys could do all of these things at once. Um, and so he talks about that. And then at the end, he says Trump announcing a pardon for Hunter with the routine Biden into utter chaos. The president has appealed to emotions repeatedly, reminding the public that while he is the leader of the free world, he is first and foremost a caring dad who supports his son. And really just how crazy it would be if Donald Trump offered this pardon and then Biden would have to, I don't know, say that he wouldn't, Hunter shouldn't accept it. It would just be something to watch. And then that's always what I'm going for. 87% of the audience believes, no, he should not pardon Hunter Biden. 13% think yes. Rusty writes Biden has backed himself into a corner here and his opponent should seize on the opening. The president must insist he will not hand out a pardon. It is the only way to avoid suggestions that he's meddling in the justice system. Hmm, we'll be right back. Live from the Aviva Trathria studio. Welcome back, everyone, to the Grace Curly Show. Thank you so much for joining us today. Yeah, the embodiment of the rule of law is how Andrew Weisman described Joe Biden. So if your son is a convicted felon, you automatically become the embodiment of the rule of law. Because what? Because a jury actually did their jobs. That's Joe Biden's end to becoming the embodiment of the rule of law. When Donald Trump, he is a convicted felon. Joe Biden's just the father of a convicted felon. Donald Trump actually is one. What's better, Jared, than the embodiment of the rule of law? What's like the next step up? He is the law. He is like, Fauci was the science. Trump is the law. There's nothing left. Yeah, I really do. And some of the textures are agreeing with me there. This would be amazing if Trump said I'm in a pardon, Hunter. It would just be funny to watch. Joe trying to, he should announce it at the debate. He should just say, you know, I really want to say this right now, Joe. If I become president, I'm going to pardon your son, Hunter. And then just watch the wheels come off the bicycle in Joe Biden's brain. I want to come back here to Michael Proctor for a second because I was just tuning in to the, to the questioning right now. And I believe it's Lally who's up right now and he's trying to give Proctor a chance to editorialize and explain away all of this corruption and all of these conflicts of interest. And you know, it really struck me when I had Turtle Boy on, if you missed it, he was on in the one o'clock hour and you can check out that podcast wherever you get your podcast. But one of the things that really struck me about Jackson's questioning is when he brought up Michael Examiner, the whack job. She's just, there's so many whack jobs in this. There's so many nicknames. That would be, that would be Michael Proctor's book, if he writes one. Trooper Proctor, colon nicknames, whack jobs, and group chats. That is the story of his life. And so while he's, you know, going back and forth explaining why he was calling the medical examiner a whack job, Jackson was also saying, well, you were trying to make a case to her. You were trying to get the result. You wanted her to, you know, determine that this was a homicide based off what she was seeing. And you were presenting a case to try to push her in one direction. And he said, no, no, we just, we oftentimes will give the medical examiner's information about what transpired up into that point. And immediately I thought, but you don't know what transpired. You don't know. You're 16 hours, 17 hours out of this thing texting your friends. You, you see more involved in your group chat than you do in, I don't know, securing a crime scene. Actually talking to witnesses, maybe checking some of these tracking devices on people's phones to see if they said they were where they said they are. Maybe cooperating some of this evidence. I really know what that point is. She's not going to skate. I mean, that's all you know with that. That was what you were certain of. That's what's transpired, transpired so far. So he says, oh, we always know the most transpired so far, but you don't know what's transpired. You really have no idea. You have no witnesses who saw Karen Reed hit him. You didn't go inside the house. So how, what are you telling this medical examiner? What information that you don't have? Are you giving to her? And what's funny is that when I just tuned in during the last break, he was asking Michael Proctor about his messages, I mean the text messages that this guy was sending to everyone. I mean to his sister, to his friends from high school, to his fellow state troopers. He's just going back and forth and he's writing all of these things down. And again, he's asking him about why he didn't consider Brian Albert a suspect or why he, and I'm sorry if I'm paraphrasing this incorrectly, but Judge Canone's not here. So I'm going to, you know what, I'll allow it. Why he didn't, why he wasn't suspicious of Brian Albert. And his response is like he, well, there was no reason to be. How about the fact that the body's on his lawn. I'm not a, Jared, I'm not an investigator and I'm certainly not a state trooper, I know. Poor me. If only I could be part of this, is a wonderful group of people. I'm not a state trooper. I'm not an investigator. I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a cop. But if there's a body on the front lawn of somebody's house, I immediately think there's reason to talk to that person. He's like, there was no, why didn't you talk to him? Well, there was no reason to talk to him. So I can think of one reason, the body on his front lawn, is that strike anybody as maybe a reason? You'd want to have a little conversation with this guy. You really crossed off all your T's and dotted your eyes, didn't you? And they act like, oh, we follow the facts. We follow all the information. And then he wants to list off all of the reasons why it clearly pointed to Karen Reed. A lot of which, by the way, has been, has been contradicted throughout this case. One of the things he mentioned, Jared, is the tail light. According to Nick Barrows, the officer from Daiton, that's a lie too. It wasn't broken up into a million pieces all over the front lawn that they found throughout the next couple of days. It was one piece, one cracked piece that officer Daiton saw that afternoon when he saw the Lexus, when he saw Karen Reed's Lexus. He didn't say it was cracked into a million pieces. So right there, they're letting this guy list off all the reasons why it was so clearly Karen Reed, who did it, and three-fourths of the reasons he's giving have already been contradicted, not only in the last couple of weeks of this case, but based off the previous testimony that they gave in the grand jury. They're all contradicting each other. All right. Let's play. I did my best to summarize those and keep in mind, I'm just getting them in bits and pieces during my breaks here. I'm shoveling chicken parm into my face and I'm also trying to catch up with what I've missed on the Karen Reed trial. All right. Let's play the drunk part with Kevin Albera because Turtle Boy, there's not a lot that is breaking in the courtroom that Turtle Boy doesn't already know. You're not going to find somebody who knows more about these people, who has more knowledge about this incestuous bunch of booze bags, as one of my callers put it. Generationally incestuous corrupt booze bags. Degenerates, I think, was also a throw to them. Yeah, he managed to get a lot in there. He's great. But even Turtle Boy, when he was on the show, said I didn't know that he had a friendship with Kevin Albera. It weren't the Alberts, the family, that he said he didn't know, or was that the, because he's a proctor. I think he said, he said one of, between them, it caves in the Alberts, one of them he knew and one of them, he didn't know? Yeah, I think he said he didn't know the McCabe's, but he was aware of some Alberts or something like that. Yeah, he was parsing that sentence out into little chunks and like saying, oh yeah, well, those people I knew, those people I had a relationship with. So anyway, so Kevin Albera comes up and it turns out he knows Kevin pretty well, I think. I think if you're getting drunk with people and leaving guns and cars, you consider each other at least acquaintances. Can I get cut 22, please? It does. In fact, the two of you got so drunk that Kevin Albera left his badge in your cruiser and couldn't find his gun the next morning, right? Jackson. Overworld. I can't speak to any level of intoxication, but I don't recall any of us, either of us being mittoxical. Got it. So isn't it true that at 7 on 7/20, July 20th, 2022, the day after, at 839 in the morning, you texted Kevin Albera, quote, found your badge in my cruiser this morning, end quote, correct? Yes. Then you texted him, I can leave it in my locker at the gym, drop it off at your station or leave it in my mailbox, correct? Correct. Kevin Albera responds, my mailbox, did I take my gun and then included a wince face emoji, correct? Correct. Fireball. Again, again, one of the characters in this whole thing is alcohol. Alcohol plays a big role. Alcohol is the undefeated heavyweight champ. Hard to beat. Did I leave my gun in your car? Now that's a new one on me. I've never had to send that text before. Did I leave my gun in your car? But yeah, no, I'm sure he wasn't drunk or anything. That's just, you know, it slipped his mind. Okay. Give me your drink and you can't speak to how drunk you were. He must have been pretty drunk. Let's have cut 23. So the fact of the matter is you two got so drunk that he couldn't find his badge and had to ask you the next morning, where his gun was, right? Again, I can't speak to any level of intoxication, whether you just forgot it. I don't know. He's asking you about his BAC trooper proctor and asking, have you seen drunk people before? Yes. You've been drunk before? Yes, I have, sir. People all been drunk before, right? Yes. Was he drunk? Were you drunk that night? I don't recall. It was a long time ago. But he left his badge in your cruiser after not a drinking. Isn't that right? Yes. Which means you were drinking and driving in your cruiser, right? When I remember we were down the Cape working on the cold case together and stopped for dinner, had a few beers, and then dropped them off. Guess what else are you going to do when you work in a cold case, the knockbacks and brews? I think they were working on a cold case. I just think it was a case of brewskies. That's what I think, working on something. Jared, I want to go back here just a little bit, because there's one cut that I didn't play it. And I do think, again, a lot of these cuts are humorous. I mean, hearing all these people, they're, they're, they're just a mess. This whole group is just a mess. But there is, with Proctor, I think there's a risk here that when you're watching this guy, he seems like such a dope that you can almost forget that a lot of these texts to me, there's a different level of nefariousness in the tone of them. Like, it's not just that he's a dope, that he's, he makes fun of people's looks. He says mean things about women. He had a real hatred for Karen Reid, and this is this woman's life on the line, and this is the guy in charge of the case that's going to determine whether she spends the rest of her life in jail. There are high stakes here. Now listen to this text message that was going back and forth. I believe this is still in the group chat with his high school buddies, because what better place to talk about a murder 16 hours after the body shows up on a lawn than with your old high school pals in a group chat. Talk about professionalism. That's the detective chief to you. And this is, this is the part that amazes me. I know I keep, I keep harping on this when they switch, when they flip that switch and they turn to us and they're like, listen, we follow the facts of the case. We follow the law to the letter of the law. We don't judge based off. They go on this whole thing and it's like buddy, buddy, buddy, buddy, buddy. You were texting your high school friends about her ass 16 hours after John O'Keefe was dead. So please save me. The sanctimonious lectures about what following the law means to you. I don't give a flying, you know what? I don't buy it anymore. You've lost, you've lost me. I'm not buying this idea of like, this, this is what we do as state troopers. We do this. We follow these rules. You know what I'm gathering from this as far as what state troopers do? You show up at a crime scene, you make fun of somebody's medical condition, you talk about their body, you call them horrible words. I can't even say on the air because FCC would be not happy with me. And then you proceed to spend the next couple of months trying to railroad this one. That's what the state troopers do as far as I'm concerned now. That's the reputation that you've just given you and all your fellow group chat buds. So take a listen to Cut 14. 50-51 writes, but I assume you guys are out to make it cut and dry since it involves cops. Correct? Yes. And Berg writes, something stinks. Correct? Correct. An introproctor, you responded, yeah, but there will be some serious charges brought on the girl. Isn't that right? That's right. So in that text exchange, you were saying, yeah, we're out to make it cut and dry. Correct? No. You didn't write, yeah, we're going to follow the evidence wherever it takes us. You didn't? Did you? I did not write that. You didn't write, yeah, we're going to make sure that we investigate this thing fully and thoroughly before making any decisions. You didn't say that, did you? I did not. You wrote, yeah, but there will be some serious charges brought on the girl. Isn't that right? Correct. And the reason you wrote that is because you knew, as the text above it says, this has to be cut and dry because it involves cops. Right? Objection. I'm going to allow that. Is that the reason you wrote it? No, you're on it. And then you indicated we're going to put serious charges on the girl. What did you mean by the girl? By the way? The defendant. Karen Reed? Yes, sir. So the way that you were going to make it cut and dry, pretty simple, just pin it on the girl. Right? Objection. Is that right? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Me thinks the trooper doth protest too much. We'll be right back with how he car we've got a lot to discuss. And again, I keep going back to the questioning about his bias, like he's actually going to sit there. He doesn't even have the decency to admit. Yeah, you know what? I was pretty biased. We know you're biased, dude. We're looking at your text messages on a screen and you're calling her the C word. I mean, if that doesn't warrant being biased, then I don't know. I would hate to see this man when he is biased against someone. This is him being impartial, is making fun of Karen Reed's medical condition and calling her the C word. I would hate to see him when he's got an axe to grind. We'll be right back. We got more to get to. Don't go anywhere. You're listening to the Grace Curly Show. This is the Grace Curly Show. Have you ever, yes or no, have you ever in your experience seen a vehicle, pedestrian incident in which the pedestrian has no bruises? Jackson. Have you seen that? I can't recall. Next question. Today's Car Crossover is brought to you by ReadyWise with inflation, food and energy costs rising. Families are feeling the financial pinch as they struggle to make ends meet. Preparation is key and our friends at ReadyWise have emergency food kits that will provide peace of mind. So go to ReadyWise.com and use code Howie20 at checkout to save 20% on your order. Howie, I was just talking with one of your VIPs and she said to me, "What's the back story? Why did he hate Karen Reed so much?" This was right after. She's not from Ken. I said, if you're not from Ken, who are you? She's not even from Stullen. I said I think it's because she's a woman. Well, yeah. She's a whack job. They're all women are whack jobs in his world. According to Michael Proctor, yeah. The timing of it. Except for his sister who uses his bag woman to solicit the bribes from the other counties. Now Howie, what happens after this? She never got the gift. You mentioned that on the redirect. She never got anything. Not for lack of try and he asked for a bribe. She's miffed. Howie, do you think he's going to get fired? Yeah. But not for a while. I mean, my lead in my column for tomorrow is the answer is Brian Walsh. The question is why isn't Michael Proctor being fired? He's the lead investigator in the Brian Walsh case. That's a real case. Right. And unfortunately. There's a woman. She's missing. I mean, that's really complicated. This is just the simple railroad, a frame. But I think his performance today definitely does jeopardize parts of that case as well. Howie Carr is coming up next. You don't want to miss it. I'll see you all tomorrow. Thank you for tuning in. I don't recall. [MUSIC PLAYING]