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Thanks for everybody for donating, and because of it, we're talking to four more states right now to open it up with what we already have, and those should be open in the fall. Legal work is a bitch in this shits, and today's guest is Kirk Parsley, you've got your own company. You know more than anyone else how hard it is to start your own brands. How's that going for you, my man? Slowly, maybe steadily. Slowly, slowly. Everybody's got the same feedback. Everybody's got the same thing. 'Cause you have to think about it. I just got off the phone with a buddy of mine before I walked in here today for this We Funder account, 'cause you need an angel investor who's massive in the industry to kind of sponsor it and sign off on it, and then they'll sign off on the money when it gets returned. It's tremendous, I'm curious about this program. I don't know what you're saying here. It's awesome. So people are investing in the company. It's all your product, and then invest. Zach, make your note of that. Yeah, yeah, Zach, is that your assistant back there, Zach? That's my CEO. Make a note of that. So my college roommates invented four loco. Afterwards, he's got kids, his wife is healthy, and he wanted to do healthier products. So he's got a drink called Koya. That's out right now. It's in every single Starbucks, Whole Foods, HGB. It's everywhere you can possibly be on the planets, and it's massive. You think it's in Palestine? I do. Trick question. There's only a shot in Palestine. Nailed it. Nailed it. Fucking nailed it. That was a trick. I feel for myself. It wouldn't shock me. But he ended up raising $5 million on this site, and it's all Silicon Valley investors and things like that. You can also invite your audience in as well, but you have to file paperwork with the SEC. So when you do sell the company, yeah, and that's what I'm going through right now. I got enough shit. It's really hard. Yeah, that's what I'm going to do. But that way everybody makes money off of it if we sell and all that other stuff, and it's not like indiegogo, where you just get like a T-shirt or a trinket or something. Because we thought that was important to do. But with that, I'm not sleeping at all doing this goddamn paperwork. You own sleep remedy. This company right here. And as I've been talking with people behind the scenes, as this has been going on, they're like, hey, you got to try this product. You got to get this guy on the show. So Kirk, we're here, and I want to get into it today, because I'm one of the few people in this world who hates sleep. All right. I hate it. All right. I think it's just a fucking waste of my day. Total waste of your time. I would rather just work or do something else productive. I do not want to sleep every single night, and it is a goddamn battle to get four to five hours tops a night. Yeah, I've been there. I know what you're talking about. You have? Yeah, when he was doing it, though, there was a trident on his unit, which is somewhat different. No, I did it to myself in college and medical school, too. I thought during medical school, when you really have it, but you have enough time to study and sleep and then worry about not studying. Basically, that's your whole life for four years. I thought that'd be a good time to run triathlons, because I'm super smart. And so I was riding my bike to and from work and all that. Night slip and average of five hours a night for about 10 years. OK, so I'm going on 30. Yeah, so you're more screwed than I am, but-- How am I screwed? Because I have a feeling there's a lot of people like me out there, we just don't really talk about it. You're just cutting 10 to 15 years off the end of your life, basically, right? Well, that, but you're cutting your performance by about 30%. Why? Because everything that creates your ability to perform tomorrow happens when you sleep tonight. So the whole reason that you're going to go to sleep tonight is because being awake is actually catabolic. You're actually breaking yourself down. You're using your body as a fuel to get through the day, to think, to move everything you're doing. Working out, obviously, makes it harder. The harder you work, the more catabolic it is. So when you go to sleep tonight, that's when all of your anabolic hormones are secreted, and that's when you start repairing. You go to the gym, you lift weights, do you get stronger? Oh, yeah, I'm strong as shit. You get weaker. You're looking at my physique. You get weaker. I just got out of the gym, and you said to me when I walked in, you were like, oh, my God, you were so fucking strong. You're so powerful. You're gonna lift up my car and then hand it to me. And I said, you can't hold it if I do that. So when you work out, you get weaker, right? You go to the gym, by the time you leave the gym, you're weaker than it went in. When you go to sleep, you get stronger. Your body and your brain say, hey, we did all this work today. We want to be able to do that better tomorrow. We have to repair these muscles in a way to where they can lift that weight better tomorrow. That's when you repair. Then you also have to sort of restock the shelves, everything that you used. So the whole reason I'm gonna go to sleep tonight is to have to repair from today, and then have to prepare for tomorrow. If I don't do that, if I don't do enough time, or if I have poor quality of sleep, I drink a bunch of alcohol, whatever it is, tomorrow still comes at exactly the same time. So how do I get through the day? I didn't repair, I didn't prepare. Well, my body does it by increasing the stress hormones. Stress hormones are catabolic. Stress hormones interfere with your cognition. They interfere with your ability to think, your ability to memorize, your ability to recognize emotion, your ability to communicate with people, your ability to solve problems, but also regulate your appetite, regulates how much strength you have, how much endurance you have, how much pain you feel. So every single thing that you value, so everybody has something like a future they want. I have a vision in the future of what I want to be like. I want this in my life. Every single part about that depends on me repairing and getting better. I only repair and get better while I'm asleep. So when you cut sleep out, you're cutting your performance. What are the stress hormones, and what do they do? Exactly. So stress hormones, primarily cortisol, epinephrine, and norepinephrine. DHEA is secreted from the adrenals, can be a stress hormone, depends on how it's secreted. So everybody thinks of them as bad, they're not bad. So cortisol, cortisol's primary job is to keep you alert and proportion to your environment. So like guys that have hyper-awareness after military service, they might be sampling too much. Okay, which does cause a release of stress hormones. So epinephrine is adrenaline. Norepinephrine is adrenaline for the brain. So when I, and what I think happens, and I know you don't know if, especially special forces guys where you'd know this, I think we reverse the autonomics in those guys and to where PTSD, what they call it, is actually a reverse, it's a reverse of the autonomics. And so you are most calm when you're in a gunfight and you're the most stressed when you're sitting around your house on a Sunday afternoon. Yeah, my lady likes to say I don't have PTSD 'cause I am the T, I am the trauma. That's just who we are as people at this point. Right, right. So yeah, so you think about it. If you, and we've done this research, right, you put somebody in a cool dark cave and you have artificial lighting, they have no idea what time it is. There's nothing to wake them up. There's nothing to tell them when to go to sleep. And you just let them run their life for like a month and you record it and you do your laps on them and all the stuff. It's been done dozens of times. And they'll drift when they're asleep. You know, it's totally out of phase with the sun. But they still end up sleeping about eight hours a night. Well, what's waking them up? There's no noise waking on others. Nothing's waking them up, what wakes them up? Stress hormones wake you up, cortisol wakes you up. When you go to sleep, you have the lowest stress hormones you will have at any 24-hour period. That's when they plummet in deep sleep. At what point during sleep though? That's in deep sleep. Okay, so now at what point is that? And so when you first go to sleep, your first two sleep cycles are primarily deep sleep. It goes like this. The sleep cycle is about 90 to 120 minutes. The first sleep cycle is like 80 to 90% deep sleep. That's slow way sleep. That's anabolic. You're re-regulating all of your hormones, your immune system's ramping up. No, almost no stress hormones. And what hormones are creating that sleep? Well, or is it just a lack of the stress hormone? Well, so right now the way I'm visualizing is myself in front of the TV or something or reading a book and I'm just slowly falling asleep, but that's the deepest I feel like I'm in sleep. When I wake back up, I'm like, damn, I kind of feel better than I did five minutes ago. So really the best definition of sleep is that there's a barrier between you and your environment and you can be awakened. So all that being asleep really means as far as what's observable as we can say, you aren't paying attention to your senses. Your eyes and ears and everything. Everything's still working, right? You just aren't paying attention to them. But if I shake you, you wake up. If I hit you in the head with the baseball bat, you fall down, we can't wake you up. That's not sleep, that's unconsciousness, right? So when you go into deep, so that you first go into stage one sleep, that's what you're talking about with your television where you're like, you're still kind of processing. You might be like building what's on the television and it's going into your dreams or something. And like, you can hear noises. So that's stage one. You go down to stage two, which is true transition. It's where your brain has really quit paying attention to your environment. You go into deep sleep, slow-wave sleep. That's theta delta. They're called all kinds of different things. It's just a job security thing for physicians, I think. So you go down to this and that's when your body starts registering your hormones. So your brain's measuring all of your hormones and saying, oh, we need more testosterone. We need more growth hormone. We need more thyroid treatment. We need less of this and your body starts re-regulating that. Also, you've heard of the lymphatic system probably. So all the structural cells in your brain shrink by 30%. You flush out all the waste products. Every cell in your body is like a version of you. It takes in nutrients, it produces waste products, it takes in oxygen and it produces CO2. So every cell in your body has waste products, you got to get rid of all that. So that's anabolic, you're repairing. Like I said, you go to the gym, you work out, you damage your muscle. During deep sleep, your brain and your body go, hey, let's make that muscle thicker. So then tomorrow when we do this, it'll be stronger. That's deep sleep. You go through, you go across time, whatever, 60, 80, 90 minutes and then you start coming back up. You go from four to three to two, past wakefulness into REM sleep and then REM sleep is when you start rehearsing everything that you've heard, thought of, whatever during the day. That's all cognitive and emotional. You make a decision and during REM sleep, is that important, is that not important? You will literally rehearse every single thing you've heard today, every thought you've had today, it's all gonna be rehearsed while you're asleep and then REM sleep. - What's the, well, keep going. I got a question. - Okay, and then your brain's gonna determine what are we gonna hold on to, okay? That's B.S. prune that off. That seems important. Let's connect that. Let's make that more durable. Let's make that something easier to get to. Let's connect that to something else we know. That's like, if you've ever taken like, really hard college courses happen to me a lot when I took Spanish. I'd work-- - Spanish motherfucker? That's the one that got you? - Yeah. Yeah, he's an ABC on the doctor, but Spanish broke him off. - Spanish was the one? - No, so when I'm going to sleep-- ♪ Trace my nose, my nose ♪ - I'm going to sleep. I can't figure out how to say the stamps in this. I can't figure it, can't figure it. And then I wake up, I'm like, oh, dah, this is, right? Or it happens with math problems, whatever. So that's what your brain has connected information that you didn't have access to. - What happens on a micro level too, we call it recall. I studied education for a while 'cause it's called recall. You have to study and then take at least 30 minutes off from even thinking about that thing before your brain can really remember it. - Right, right. So that makes a lot of sense. - Yeah, and there's recall and recognition and recognition, can simulate recall and recall. So this can go back and forth. But you go through REM and you basically, you make certain things more durable, you get rid of other things. You also emotionally categorize. So if you've had a fight with your girlfriend about dirty dishes in the sink, that should be over like as soon as you quit talking about it, right? You probably never think about that again. But you don't get your sleep, you don't get REM sleep, you don't emotionally categorize that. That might be like right up there with like having an affair or something. And it gets to be like this ridiculous trigger. It's like, and we think this is what happens during PTSD. People tend to sleep really poorly and they don't emotionally categorize properly. And then every time that comes back up, it's not in its right category. - But you're saying even just like a normal dick who's having a fight with his wife, if he doesn't get good sleep that night, tomorrow it's gonna seem like a bigger problem than it actually is. - Absolutely. And then the other thing, when you drink alcohol, it decreases deep sleep a lot. When you use sleep drugs, it decreases REM sleep a lot. When you use both, it gets rid of both. I can't tell you how many seals had 99.9% stage two sleep. So no deep sleep, no REM sleep, when I was working with them. And that presents all sorts of problems. But one of the other big thing that's happened if your deep sleep's not good, you're waking up with 30% less testosterone the next day. Testosterone is the primary hormone that allows us to engage what we call mental vigor, right? So my ability to focus on something and work on it and isolate my attention and concentrate and go aggressively after a goal, testosterone makes heart things seem easier. And mental is the primary place, you notice that. Also, of course, that's your sex drive, that's your ability to be stronger and repair and all this other stuff. Growth hormone, very similar, your thyroid's off very similar, but also neuroregulation of appetite's happening. So you wake up the next day, you're craving sugar, you're craving fat, you're craving calories all day because you didn't recover. - And those things are probably associated to some degree with amygdala evolutionarily as well because we had trouble finding them back in the day. - Right, so here's a theory that can never be proven, but the only animal on the planet that purposefully sleep deprives itself as humans. The only time any other animal will sleep deprived itself is if it's starving or if it's being preyed, so if it's being stalked. - So there is some, you know, probability, at least plausibility to the idea that our brains perceive sleep deprivation as famine or danger, right? And so when you wake up after short sleep, your brain's like, hey, we're going into famine, so we need sugar and we need it now. And we need fat and we need it now. - Plus your cortisol's not getting processed, so you're storing more of that fat anyways 'cause your body needs that. - Well, it thinks it needs that, right? - Yes, so cortisol interferes with your insulin sensitivity and then epinephrine or apinephrine interfere with your prefrontal cortex, that gets rid of your willpower. Cortisol, now that's affecting your insulin sensitivity, makes you want to eat more sugar, also leptin and ghrelin, which regulate your appetite, those don't get managed well when you don't sleep well. And so you crave food and what do you want? You want sugar and you want fat 'cause fat's how you get through famine and sugar's how you fuel your brain. That's where a donut comes through. - Donut is fried sugar, right? And then you put in the caffeine, basically just to block the identity and receptors to make yourself feel a little bit more weight. - But it doesn't actually give you energy. - It does not give you energy whatsoever, which is what it is. I still love coffee, I'm gonna drink it every day, but it doesn't actually do it. - Are you a doctor, Kurt? - I am a doctor. - Okay, good. - Yes. - 'Cause I just make sure before we get through the rest of this. - It sounds like I'm bullshitting on it, right? - Yeah, 'cause everything you said so far, I was like, that's for weak people. - Yeah, but I'm strong, but I don't need sleep. I don't need any of this. - As it turns out, it might be the case that all these man-bond-wearing gay lords in Seattle just need to take a nap. - Or they've slept too much. - No, I don't think it's too much. - Kurt, I don't think it's too much sleep. - I don't think it's too much sleep. - No, does not decrease your testosterone to sleep too much. In fact, we have a built-in testosterone detector, right? If you go to sleep and you get a good night's sleep, the compass is pointing noise in the morning, right? If you don't wake up with an erection, you didn't make enough testosterone. - That's true. - And every time you don't wake up with an erection, you're losing vascularity in your penis, and you're actually making it harder to get an erection and make your penis smaller. - Yeah. - So dick don't work. That's what Dr. Mike Simpson says, you know, Mike. - He sure does. - And it's like the number one result of being a fat lazy turd is dick don't work. - Dick don't work, yeah. - Every morning, here's a big joke about being a fat lazy turd. So like I told you during deep sleep, we're re-regulating all of our hormones and testosterone, people know these, right? We know we want testosterone, we know we want growth hormone, muscles good, right? All that stuff. However, our brain does not have, especially the region of our brain, this balancing our hormones does not have a lot of testosterone receptors. It has estrogen receptors. The only place men make estrogen is by converting their testosterone into estrogen. - How's that one? - And it's done with an enzyme called aromatase. And that enzyme is only in our subcutaneous fat. Not the fatter on our organs, it's not brown fat, but the fat you don't like to see in the mirror. So the fatter you get, the more of your testosterone becomes estrogen. Then your brain goes, oh, we have a ton of estrogen, we must have plenty of testosterone. And then you produce less testosterone. And then you get fatter, and then you produce more estrogen. And then it's self-licking, I just keep getting worse. - Now here's a question that only makes sense in 2024. If your girlfriend also has an erection when you wake up, what does that tell you? - You've made a series of grave mistakes in your life that you're probably inescapable at the time. - Or you made the right choice. - It might be too late. - It might be too late. - I think it's too late. I think it's inescapable at this point. Have you seen the meme of the guy with his head like this? And girlfriend's like, "Hey, a tiny penis is not that big of a deal." And he's like, "Yeah, I don't know, Karen. "I just wish you didn't have one at all." (laughing) - Big pen on that one. - That's awesome, I love that one. - So I've got questions. First one is dreaming important at all, or do we even know? - We don't really know, 'cause you're talking about during deep sleep, you're processing shit. Then during REM you're deciding what to remember and what not to remember, and then emotionally as well. - Right, right. And so you're trying to make sense out of things. So things that are maybe confusing, especially emotionally confusing things. - The dreams aren't exactly fucking to the point, are they? - No, they're pretty random. Now, interestingly enough, they're not completely random because there has been research to where they do things like I'll teach you a body of material, like say maybe a list of memorized. And then I make certain sounds when you're memorizing this list and certain sounds when you're memorizing this list and so and so forth. And then when you're asleep, they do functional MRI and they figure out what part of your brain are you using when you're doing this. Now, when you're asleep, I can play that sound and you'll rehearse that part of that list. And if I play that sound while you're asleep, say there's five different sounds. If I play the one sound, the one list, when I test you in the morning, you'll be way better on that list than the other four points. - So why are we doing that? Why are we doing that to teach people language, for example? Why does DLI even exist? Why not just do this for all of our operators? - Because bureaucracies are 40 years behind. - Sure, 100%, but like all the dudes that are testing one, one and two, two in languages, they don't speak shit. They don't know any of the language at all. - Right, well, there are efforts to do it. The problem is, we don't know exactly what point of your dream, like we can say you're in REM sleep. We can measure that and say, yeah, you're in REM sleep, let's do this, but we don't know kind of like, what is the ideal time to stimulate that? And it can't be done as robustly. I couldn't say like, well, I'm trying to get him to understand this complex thing. It works much better with things like memory, like memorization of a list. So I don't think as far as like syntax and sentence structure and like audible recognition, I'm not sure I would work with that. - Next question, what's the evolutionary purpose of sleep cycles, I guess? 'Cause it kind of seems like we have a couple of, like the first two are for one thing and then-- - Yeah, well, so I never finished that. So if you do the math, you'll end up with about four to five sleep cycles if they're 90 to 120 minutes each, right? They progressively become more and more REM. So the first sleep cycle, 90% deep sleep, the last sleep cycle right before your week, that's 90% REM sleep. - So hardware first. - So hardware first, survival first. - And then what did you remember? How do you feel about it? What do you, like how, how do you-- - And this is true for men and women. - True for men and women, there's no difference. The cool thing, being in the health and wellness space and all the bullshit influencers out there are talking trash about all these two things. The one, sleep science is not contested. Like you look at sleep research, 100%-- - Wrong. - Sorry, dude. - 100% consistent. You've been doing your own research. - Yeah, dude. Look, some of the things you mentioned are true. And again, there's somebody who hasn't slept for more than five hours in like 30 years. - Right. - The only time that I slept more than five hours was not voluntary. I was induced into a coma for 11 days. So that was the only-- - That's not in my entire life. - That's what I'm saying. But with that, so I'll go back to what you said, just being full transparency here, 'cause I really do want to get into this. Cortisol, massive issue with cortisol. To the point where they wanted to do surgery, it was up through the nose, and some nodule in the back of your thing or whatever, and blah, blah, blah, right? Only problem is it would have cut me out of this show for four and a half months. And there's a camera, I guess, that goes up through your nose and then they remove the excess cortisol and blah, blah, blah. So instead-- - So you have a tumor. - It was something like that. - Yeah, yeah, okay. - And then it metastasized or whatever, and then part of it was in the back of my neck. I also got injections for it, and over time, it was like an 18-month period. It started to go down. Now, the side effects of that, cortisol, are like a round face, and then round midsection. Even though you're not gaining weight or anything else, it gives you the appearance. - What is your information? - No, so what he's talking about it is exactly what I was saying. So you don't get enough sleep tonight. I don't repair and prepare enough tonight. Tomorrow my body will compensate by producing more stress hormones. As I was saying, stress hormones keep you alert and proportion to your environment. So when you first wake up, cortisol just high enough to wake you up. You lay around on your couch, you read a book, no big deal. Somebody crashes a card to the front of your house. Cortisol goes through the roof, right? That's fight or flight. Maximum stress hormones are fight or flight. When you're in fight or flight, you're superhuman, right? Your muscles are stronger, your muscles are faster, reflexes are faster, your endurance is higher, your lungs dilate, you take in more air, your pupils dilate, you take in and blow it. - Blood loss is near extremities, the whole thing. - Yeah, and it goes away from your skin. So if you get cut, like pain threshold goes up everything. So why don't we run around like that all the time? That'd be super cool. 'Cause you're eating yourself, right? It's catabolic, you're using yourself as the fuel to get away from the tiger. You don't get away from the tiger. Who cares if you can digest food? Who cares if you can reproduce? Who cares if you can fix your twist at ankle? - Doesn't matter. I'm giving her all she's got, can't I? - Right, so cortisol can compensate for lack of repair and preparation, right? So I'm not rested well enough, I can produce more cortisol. I have a cortisol tumor, I produce way more cortisol than most other people. I feel pretty damn good on four or five hours of sleep. - It's not that I felt great on it. It's just that-- - Well, better than somebody else who we're on for five hours. - You feel better than most other people. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally, so like-- - And there are some genetic differences and people make a big deal out of this. It's a very, very, very, very, very, very small deal rounded to the nearest number at zero, right? But there is a very small percentage of the population that have what we call some super sleeper genes and what we have proven to them, not that they only need five hours of sleep. They still ideally should get about eight hours of sleep but they suffer a lot less than everybody else. And you could be one of those people on top of that, right? - Super, super human, I'm super human. - Well, here's my question. - Yeah. - If I slept, let's say, 20 hours a day, right? 20 hours a day and I have a feeding tube the whole time and then I get woken up every morning by car crash. Am I super human for four hours? - No, I think you would waste away in the 20 hours of sleep. - Yes. - That's what happened to me. - What if I-- - 'Cause I had to go to physical therapy and all this shit. - What if I'm using acupuncture and electric stimulation stuff? - Yeah, you get to stem to keep your muscles going, right? You get a new fit or whatever they call that? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, man, interesting. We can do it. - We can do it again. - We can do it again. - 'Cause I think that might be what's going on with Tim Kennedy is why I asked. - I love new fit, by the way. I love that. We were talking about the other thing. - I think Tim Kennedy is walking out with a car battery hooked up to himself. - So, yeah, I don't know, 'cause you're friends with Tim as well. I've worked with Tim on a movie where, I mean, you wanna talk about no sleep at all? - Yeah. - I think we were getting three hours at night on that. - For 16 days. - For 16 days, straight. And I worked with Tim, me and Tim are one and one. The only difference was his three hours that he was, you know, all for whatever. Like he went, oh yeah, in the fucking hotel. And I was like, bro, I gotta go to a meeting. And he's like, oh, just do one hour workout with me. I was like, a one hour workout with you. Fucking end of my life, dude. I can't do that. - Under normal conditions. - Totally. - Under normal concessions, lot of movie, and that guy is superhuman. - That's a completely different beast. - I don't think he sleeps more than that either. I could be wrong. - I doubt it. Jocko is about a six hour night guy. - Okay. - You know? He doesn't have Tim's energy, but he performs really well. And obviously, I think one of the reasons that the military sleep deprived people, they're testing for that a bit. They're also testing for mental illness. But when you get into any sort of special forces screening, they're gonna sleep deprived the hell out of you. Because we need people who can perform well. There are some people who are great dudes. They'd be great at kicking in doors and making decisions and all this other stuff. But they can't perform on low sleep. Like they can't do anything. They become completely useless. Well, you can't have that guy, right? - When you were a Navy SEAL, how many hours a night were you getting? - Well, when I was actually a SEAL, it wasn't that bad. It was pre-9/11. So we had, I pretty much trained 365 days a year. So we weren't super-sleep deprived. But we have hell week. We're a week without sleep. I did actually very, very well with that. Like I was one of the best in my class with that. And I don't know why I had no idea at the time, but like the last day of it, you know, we're playing soccer. And I'm running around probably 75% speed and like playing soccer and knocking people over in their bales, is like kind of stumbling and falling over. So I did really well with that. And that's probably why I was able to do what I did in college and medical school. 'Cause I did do like five hours was a good night. 'Cause I was married and I had kids in medical school. So I wanted to spend time with my kids. I wanted to do well in school. Like I wanted to stay in shape. So I was, you know, I had pretty rigorous workout routine. I had a couple of kids to read to and put to bed every night and a wife to pay some attention to and studying and traveling and all this. And so like five hours was a good night for me. I did that for a long time. And what happened to you? Did you notice like a crack in yourself? I actually got diagnosed with ADHD in medical school. I was like, this bullshit. Like how can I get in medical school? I have ADHD, right? And, but you know, that's what all the testing showed. And so I tried some stimulants and stuff and that didn't work. - What were they? - Cocaine, heroin, you know. - No, but Adderall, I'm assuming. - Adderall. - Chopping it up, were you taking it already? - Five hands. - No. - They had five hands yet. They had, they just started with "Provigil." I tried "Provigil." That one worked great. Like the first time I took it, it was like that movie limit list. - I was like, oh my God, I'm gonna be the smartest guy ever. Then the next time I worked is like 10% or the next time I was like, it's, yeah. But I, yeah, I tried, you know, it's basically methamphetamine, right? Methamphenylate. I was, I tried several stimulants. They made me super anxious and sweaty and I had a hard time constant. Like it made my concentration worse. But once I learned what I know about sleep, which I didn't learn any of it in medical school, I learned all of it when I was at the SEAL teams as their physician, once I learned all that, I realized, well, it makes perfect sense because if you look at the symptoms of chronic sleep deprivation and you look at the symptoms of ADHD, they're indistinguishable. - Yeah, 'cause I know, like I can remember back to five years old. Not going to sleep at all. And it got to the point where I would wake my parents up every single night. They put like a roll out, like one of those flipping fucks in the room, you know? You know what I'm talking about? - Never heard it called that, but yeah. - Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm talking about. - Yeah, I like it. - Roll that out next to the bed so I wouldn't wake them up. And then it got to the point where I was watching their TV and then they were up and they were like, we can't get sleep. They eventually put a TV-- - I started giving you baby, baby Ben and Jerome stuff. - No, no, so I didn't have any of that. And then TV in my room started watching that and so I could make myself fall asleep. But even then, still only getting like five hours and nights, as I got older, it only increased. And as you, you know, you start to move up in school and college and papers are due and all that other stuff. - Right. - Cool man, like that was my schedule. So like I was able to breeze through college, me personally. Because I was already used to a schedule like that, my entire life. But then I started noticing a couple problems here and there. When I did want sleep, I couldn't get it. So it was NightQuill. So I went off with NightQuill, moved weed, moved to Ambien, moved to fucking, what's the other shit they give you? Kiting bite over the counter now. Starts with an M I think. - Melatonin? - Melatonin. Melatonin did nothing. None of that made a fucking dent. - Yeah, Melatonin. - What do they give us in the military? Was it a trizodone or some bullshit like that? - There are physicians that will do trizodone. When I was at the SEAL teams, it was Ambien. Like 85% of the command took Ambien every single night when I got there. - Ambien didn't work at all. - Yeah, Ambien's the one that turns you into a fucking walking zombie. - Yes. - Yeah. - And I've had friends wake up in the middle of the night. When we were out and things like that, we've taken Ambien screaming at invisible people at the wall and a shit like that. And it was like, oh my God. And it didn't do anything to me. And it scared the shit out of me. 'Cause I was like, why is this doing everything for everybody else? And it doesn't do anything to me. - Right. - Went to the doctor at this point, I'm in Los Angeles after college, after college was done. And he was like, man, you've got like crazy sleep disorder that you can't sleep at all. There was this old school hallway with thing called black beauties, do you remember those? - That was just meth. - Maybe it was called something else. It would put you down. - No, black beauties. - Oh, black beauties were a GHB. - No, I've had GHB as well. But that's real dangerous. I mean, shit, you fucking G-hole in Nine-Eye, permanently on something like that. There was a couple of kids that died from it in college when I was there. But so I didn't fuck with that, like going to bed. - Right. - Now if I was partying, you know? - Yeah. - Down in Miami, sure, but other than that, no. But there was an old school Hollywood pill, I forget what it was. They put me on that, nothing. And then Xanax was the only thing that worked. But even on Xanax, they were like, oh, hey, you might feel groggy or whatever. And it was like, I don't, I don't feel groggy. I can pop up. I'm still only getting five, six hours tops. But that's about the only thing. And then everybody kept recommending sleep remedy, which is your product. So what did you test out of all the shit that I just mentioned and everything else to get to this? - Yeah. So the purpose of this was to get guys off of Ambien, right? So when I got to the SEAL teams, I came there very well prepared to do a bunch of sports medicine, orthopedic stuff. That's where all my training was. That's where all my interests were. As a young man and having only been a SEAL and been to college at that point, the only time I'd ever seen a doctor is if I had an injury, right? So that's what I thought of doctors as. And I got back to the SEAL teams and we built this great sports medicine facility. And then, you know, you're gonna test at this. Like, no SEAL is ever gonna tell their doctor what's wrong with them, 'cause they're afraid of being put on the bench, being disqualified. But because I had been a SEAL, I had been a SEAL recently enough to where there were plenty of guys there that I'd deployed with and trained with and I had to get enough reputation. Guys come and shut the door and say, "Hey, let me tell you what's going on with me." Like, my memory sucks. I can't concentrate. My motivation sucks. I'm getting fatter. I'm doing exactly what the nutritionist is telling me to do. I'm doing the strength and conditioning coaches, telling me to do I'm getting fatter. I'm getting weaker. My motions are all over the place. My sex drive sucks. My sexual performance sucks. And I just kind of feel like a zombie. I kind of feel like an idiot. And oftentimes, a lot of chronic pain, but that's obviously part of the job of all the injuries. And I didn't have the slightest fucking idea. I was like, I don't know. Like, that's a whole lot of shit. - They didn't go over that in medical school specifically with regard to sports medicine. - Which is where you would think you would see that kind of thing. - So I got nothing. So I'm like, well, let me test every lab that I know how to interpret, essentially. It's all what I did. So like, hey, go to the hospital. Take these 17 vials of blood. 98 lab markers come back. I interpret all of them. I'm like, wow, like, anabolic. Everything anabolic is very, very low. Everything catabolic is very, very high. Inflammations high, oxidation is high. Stress hormones are high. The metabolites, we can check in urine or we can see like how much epinephrine and norepinephrine you're burning through, they're called catecholamines, like checking out all that super high. Testosterone low, growth hormone low, DHT low, DHEA low. Like, and I was like, I don't know, man. I don't know. Like I'd gone to Western trained medical school, right? 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The bottom, so like $2.86. - Why do they lie to you actually lowering the upper as society gets, as testosterone's going down, the high end of normal now is about 900 on my labs. - Is this like how-- - Why are they lying to you? Because they lied to me and I didn't find out until Dan told me when I got to fuckin' work one day, why are they lying to you in these offices? Is it because underneath that number, insurance has to pay for it? Like, what's the answer there? - No, because they're trained to deal with disease. I don't deal with disease. Like, all of my patients, everybody I work with, I spend well over half my time working with former seals, but all my private clients, 100% of the time we're talking about performance. It's like, what do you want to be better at? Like, I want to be stronger, I want to be faster, I want to be smarter, I want to be better looking, I want a better memory, I want whatever, better body composition, like, so we're working on optimization. My whole goal when I'm treating you, if I take all those lab markers and I scratch off your name and age and I hand it to some colleague of mine, I said, tell me who that is. 25 year old, athletic guy who's in good shape. That's what I want your labs to look like. It doesn't make you 25 years old, but it gives you the highest potential, right? And that's all the normal range. So as an example, these normal ranges are, the technical word for them is actually reference ranges. Most of them come from Framingham study. Done way back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. They basically, the small town Framingham, Massachusetts, not a lot of people moved in, not a lot of people moved out. So stable population took their blood all the time, froze their blood. Every time a new lab test comes out, they're like, well, let's go test all these Framingham and see what the average was, what was the normal range. Just assuming people were healthy, right? So they don't know anything about the health of most of these people in most of these situations. So the testosterone, when they figured out how to test testosterone in a serum, there were three criteria or four. You had to be a male, you had to have your testicles, you had to be over 19 years old and you had to be alive. That was it, that made the normal range. So the 250 was probably the 85 year old guy in the nursing home and the 1100 was the 19 year old, but they didn't age adjust it. They just said, that's the normal range. So I have a 28 year old seal sitting in front of me who's been in the team's 10 years, starting to wear it on his body. I check his testosterone, it's 258 and they're like, that's within the normal range. So that's how endocrinologists think. You don't have a disease, you're within this reference range. And I'm like, I don't think you have a disease either, but you're not performing, like you wouldn't perform. You can't do this job on a testosterone of 258. So let's work around and try to make you look physiologically as young and resilient as you can possibly be and then you go out and chase your goals. - That's a 403, I crashed. - That was the day that I talked to you about it when I came out of the doctor. 403, I crashed. I can't even imagine 258. - I was at 186, yeah. - Jesus Christ, how old were you? - 30. - Okay. - I was-- - No, no, no, 32, I was 32. - Oh, 32, okay. - I had a former seal, I started working with the last month, came in with a total testosterone of 33, which my wife has more than that. - Yeah, that's half of a healthy woman. - Yeah. - And an unmeasurable free testosterone. An IGF-1, which is the downstream product of growth hormone of seven. You want that to be about three or 400. So, and he was, I mean, he was struggling, but he was still getting out of bed, still doing his job, still raising his kids. And I was like, I have no idea how you're functioning. Like, and that's the thing about medicine, too. Like, you know, there's all these absolutes and medicine. You need this, this has to be true for that to be true. And all of it's bullshit. I mean, there's exceptions to everything in medicine. You know, I told you that every seal I tested, 99.9% stage two sleep. You talk to a sleep scientist or a sleep researcher or a sleep physician, they're gonna say that guy can only live about three or four months. - Yeah. - Like, he's gonna die because he's not getting any of the restorative benefit of sleep. But these guys came to me and it's like, I've been doing this for 10 years. And they were all unambient. And so that's what I finally figured out. And it wasn't because I had some genius epiphany. Like, the 40th guy who had been in my office telling me the exact same story that every other guy was telling me. He said, ambient. I was like, well, it seems like a lot of guy mentioned that I put a note in my margin. And I go look at my right, my shadow files. I wasn't putting anything in the records. I was keeping it on my office. I go back and look through all the records. Everyone of them were on ambient. I'm like, huh, I wonder if ambient could be affecting any of this, right? So then I started going back and I started looking at the literature. The good thing is, so here's the stupid game. And there's so many stupid games in medicine, but one of the biggest stupid games. When pharma develops a drug that they want to get approved, they do the research, and then they own the research. And then they give the FDA the research that they want to give them. And they hold on to the research they don't want the FDA to have. Now, if they get sued, they have to lift up the kimono and all the research for that. - Like what's going on with Merck right now with the MMR vaccine, for example. - Right. - So this had just happened with ambient. To your point, when you were talking about earlier, people were taking ambient, and I can, we can go into detail on the science of why this happens if you want, but people were taking ambient and it was basically completely dissociating their neocortex, which is the part of our brain that we think of when you think of a human brain from the lizard brain, right? And so they were dissociating. So these people were getting out, they were taking ambient and laying down and then getting up and getting in their car going down to the casino and gambling way, their life savings and gambling and buying prostitutes and eating 10,000 calories at the buffets, coming home, getting back in bed, waking up an hour or two later and having no memory whatsoever of any of that. And that was because they were completely dissociated. So they weren't sleeping, they were dissociated. So their brains weren't getting the benefit of it. So when I thought, okay, well, let's see if that's going on with the seals, well, let's get them off, let's get them off of ambient and see what happens. And guess what, I came up with this, right? Because they were taking ambient, obviously, because they couldn't sleep. So I couldn't just say suck it up but I got to give them something and I don't know what to give them because I don't know anything about sleep. You know, I learned about sleep while I was going through all this with them. And so I'm learning everything I can about sleep and I'm like, okay, well, what's happening when you sleep? What causes that? Like what nutrients do you need? And then something very conservative, like cock and database and they go in there, like what supplements have been proven to help with sleep? And why? Okay, so I came up with a list of supplements and then with those guys of like, let's try out this dose, let's try out this dose. And we came up with a combination of six things that worked and we figured out the dosage just by randomly shuffling them around. And then we figured out the brands that worked best and I gave the guys a handout, like here, go buy all this. And this is pre Amazon. So everybody's having to drive to the stores. CNC, they're having to go buy all this shit themselves. And, but 100% of the guys come off of Ambien. And then every single guy who comes off of Ambien tests Osterone doubles, triples, quadruples, like all sorts of things get better. Not 100% solution, but it's like 80% solution for 80% of the guys. And then when I got out that like the guys just haranged me like, dude, this is a pain in the ass to go buy all this shit. And I got to buy this and this brand and this is in capsules and that's in pills and that's in powders and that's a liquid. And so they're like, make a product out of this force. So I said, all right, I'll do that. I'll just, I don't know how to do that. I'm a doctor, but I'll figure out how to do that for a year and then I'll hand that thing over and I'll go back into practice. And I'll just do private consulting. 10 years later, I'm still running the damn company and still don't have a contract with so-com or anything like that. But still selling that product and still doing private consulting. - So am I allowed to ask what's in the sleep bag? - It's on the back. - It is, okay. - Yeah, so completely transparent. And actually there's an ingredient in here that I think you should try. The much harder than what's in here. So pretty much everybody knows about the circadian rhythm now, right? - Yep. - So there's a couple of things that make you go to sleep. One is every cell in your body has a sleep cycle. It has a cycle when it's doing things that it does when you're asleep and then it has a cycle when it's doing things that you do when you're awake. And it's obviously two to one, it's eight hours to 16 hours. So when the blue light goes away in your eyes, that's long, secure, just pathway, the pineal glands are creached melatonin. Melatonin does not make you go to sleep. It's an initiation hormone. It saturates the brain and changes the chemistry of your brain. One of the major things that happens is the release of this neuropeptide called GABA. And GABA slows down the brain. It slows down the neocortex. It makes you quit paying attention to your environment. And that's what sleep really is. Like you have to quit thinking about your environment and allow your brain to do whatever the hell it wants to do while you lay in one spot. Another thing that pushes is the denticing buildup. So every cell in our body is using something called ATP for energy, right? That's a denticing triphosphate. Every time you take up a phosphate group, it releases energy. And when you build up and so go ATP to ADP to AMP to just A. And when your brain has a bunch of adenosine in it, your brain knows that you've exhausted itself and it's like we need to go to sleep. And that's when you can lay down on cactus and rock and sleep because you're like, I'm so damn tired because the adenosine levels are so high. We call that sleep pressure, right? But under normal conditions, sleep pressure is enough to get you to sleep. Even if you're stress hormones, maybe you're a little high or you haven't really done the right things to get yourself ready for bed. This is one of the reasons why men rarely have a hard time falling asleep. Women almost always have a hole when they have insomnia. It's like they can't go to sleep. Men usually fall asleep for an hour, hour and a half, maybe two hours, and then they wake up, right? Because we produce more adenosine. We have way more muscle mass, roughly the same size brain. So anyway, this GABA goes around and starts slowing down your brain. Ambien is synthetic GABA, but it's 1,000 times more powerful than GABA. Xanax, which works for you, the benzodiazepines, those are synthetic GABA's, but there's about 100 times more powerful than GABA. So what it's doing is it's slowing down your neocortex so you aren't paying attention, you aren't interacting with your environment. The normal chemical that does that is just GABA. And that slows down the neocortex. And once the neocortex slows down, all the physiology of your brain starts changing and it's a symphony man. I mean, everything's changing. Your brain is just as active at night as it is while we're talking right now. More so in a lot of situations. So your brain's doing all kinds of crazy chemistry to keep you awake and do the repairs and balance the hormones and all the shit that it needs to do. And that symphony's just continuing and it requires melatonin levels to stay relatively high. And then melatonin levels start dropping off and cortisol levels start coming up and you wake up. So all that's in here is what leads to the production of melatonin. So there's a dusting of melatonin 'cause I don't wanna make your brain resistant to melatonin. So I give you two micrograms of melatonin. That's enough to help initiate. And then the way the tryptophan coma works, right? On Thanksgiving. - Turkey. - Turkey, right? - Triptophan. - Or the Idis. - It's an amino acid that's in meat. It's in a lot of things. So Turkey doesn't have a special amount of it. We just eat a lot of it and we eat carbs and there's some other things going on. But so the triptophan becomes five hydroxy triptophan. With the addition of magnesium and vitamin D3, you can return that five hydroxy triptophan into serotonin, serotonin becomes melatonin. Melatonin keeps that cascade going. And then GABA does what I said. It does, L-theanine is an amino acid that makes GABA slightly more effective. And then there's one more in here phosphatylserine, which is what I'm gonna tell you about. But so all I did is say, "Well, you need melatonin to initiate. "You're gonna be resistant to GABA "because you've been using ambient, "which is a thousand times more powerful than GABA, right? "So it's gonna take a while for those receptors to stream. "So I'm gonna give you a little melatonin. "I'm gonna give you a little triptophan, "a little five hydroxy triptophan. "So vitamin D3, some magnesium, "light dissing of melatonin. "Gonna give you some GABA, give you some meltheanine." About two years ago, I came up with the idea of adding phosphatylserine to this. There's not any research in the sleep science about this, but for working out, when you take phosphatylserine, you decrease the amount of cortisol you produce while you're sort of suffering and doing difficult tasks. So it has borne out that the more phosphatylserine you take to lower your cortisol level is overall. And if you take it throughout the day, like, and I've done this with my patients, some patients stressed out how super high cortisol levels, they take it all throughout the day. And then I'll do a 24 hour catch on them and test where you're a month ago after doing it, and it's like, they're producing 25% as much cortisol as they were doing before, but still feeling fine, because they're more, the brain's more receptive to it. They have more receptors and they're more sensitive to the hormones. So all that's in here is that completely natural pathway. The one sort of trick is the phosphatylserine to drive down cortisol. - And how many do you take a night? - Two is recommended. Big guys like John Wellborn take three, I take three. - I take one, I take one 30 minutes or so, 30 to 45 minutes before I'm ready to sleep, and I'm out like. - And how long are you sleeping? - Eight hours. - Okay. - And it's like the only time in my life that I sleep that long, because I fit that category of typical male where it's like, I go to sleep and then 90 minutes to two hours later, I'm awake. Probably just after the first sleep cycle. - Yeah, I'm awake, so the third sleep cycle. - Yeah. - For years I did that. - So the lymphatics flush out the waste products and get rid of a bunch of the adenosine, you get rid of that sleep pressure. And then when you, so actually when you're going from deep sleep end to rim, you pass through wakefulness. And when you're going from rim back into deep sleep, you pass through wakefulness again. So if your stress hormones are high enough, you will actually wake up during that period. - Yeah, so I've been waking up less, dreaming quite a bit more as well, which is probably good. I mean, I had a fucking crazy, I was playing catch with Trump last night. Am I right on? - Really? How is this basketball? - Is he coordinated or? - Sure is. - He's pretty coordinated, yeah. - Yeah. - I mean. - He's what, six, I think when he went to check in at Fulton County, six, two, two, 15. - Yeah. - So, yeah. - Wow, this lighter than I thought he would be. - Yeah, that was-- - He just got a weird shaped body, I know. And he's also bent forward at the, 'cause he's a thousand years old. You know, Clinton ran for re-election 30 years ago. - Sure did. - And he is younger than both of the current candidates and he was 47, yeah. - Now he's younger now. - No, I know. - But both of the current candidates-- - What's her friend? - He was 47. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And it's weird to think about. - Clinton ran for re-election-- - 30 years ago. - Well, I guess it was 28 years ago, 1996, right? - Yeah. - So, he ran the first time 32, 32 years ago, right? He is currently younger than both of the guys that are running for president. - Oh, okay, I got you. - Yeah. - Yeah, 77 now. - Got you. - Got you. - Got Trump at 78 and then obviously Biden is-- - 82. - 20,000, 800 years old. - Yeah, yeah. - I got the other question. So, maybe we know the answer to this and maybe we don't, but how does the brain decide what's important to remember during REM or does it, like how do we have any idea how it's categorized now? - I don't have any idea how that's done now. - I mean, I wonder from a chemical, 'cause it would be using chemicals to make that decision. - Yeah. - So, does it prioritize stuff that had more of an impact on stress hormones or something or what? - Well, I mean, here's where things really get weird. Like, you have to start thinking about getting super esoteric and say, what is a thought, right? - Sure. - So, a thought is a series of chemical reactions and like, is there something beneath that that's driving that or is that what's driving the thought and you get into all kinds of weird metaphysical problems with that. So, you know, my best estimate would be that something that something that you rehearse multiple times, something that stimulates more of your brain when you rehearse it at night is probably something that's going to be held onto. - I mean, putting more electricity through something is gonna strengthen the connection, right? - Right, and the more durable the connection, the faster you can get to it. And then if you, let's say if we have a quantified amount of energy going in, it's faster and easier to get there. Well, now I can spread further and the whole idea of learning something is that I connect it to other information that I know. If I know something in isolation, I don't really know it. I've got it memorized. - Yeah, so I can think of it when I can think about it from six other things I know, six different pathways to get to that same information. Now I know that. - Yeah, and I think there's something to that in what we call state dependent memory as well. - Absolutely. - Where you learn something when you're all fucked up on drugs and booze and you can only remember it. Not only, but you can remember it better when you're back in that condition again. - I use that's really interesting. - I use that in medical school. You know, you can do things, you can do things like put like a little bit of cinnamon oil or something on your nose. Like while you're studying a certain subject and you can do a different type of thing. And so when you're testing, if you do that state dependent, that helps. You can do it with music and stuff too, but that's hard to do. - I use that we go getting it on too. - Well, you can do it like that state. - Probably will go cane on there. - Do you remember when they were making those like scented markers that was because people thought that and maybe it's true to some degree that smells the sense most closely associated with memory, but it really was just a version of state dependent memory. - Yeah. - It's all it really was. It's like really interesting the way that fucking brains were. - And the sense of smell is a very, very strange one 'cause the sense of smell does not go through interpretation before it goes to the memory. So that's why you can walk into a room and just be like, that smell just like sparks, memories, and all of a sudden you're just like, what the hell? Like what am I thinking about that? Right. - It's my grandfather's bicycle seat, you know? After a 10-mile ride. - It reminds him of Pearl Harbor. That's why he's Japanese people so on. - Yup. - Even to this day, he's never even met one. - He wasn't one or two, but yeah. - I got another question about the chemistry year. - Okay. - Why is it that your memory sucks with no sleep? Does it have something to do with the, like is there a backlog of information that hasn't been processed? Or is it that your brain's just not functioning as well as it should or wasn't it? - So you haven't learned as much. But remember earlier when I was saying maximum stress when I'm on a spider flight, right? We all know that. That's a gunfight, fist-fight, car crash, whatever. - You couldn't do high-order math when you're in fire flight. - You might not be able to-- - Well, snipers can, but it's a rare breed, right? - They're doing fucking trigonometry in their head. - Right, right, right, cool. - So it's like it's harder to think. When you have adrenaline, norpinephrine is the adrenaline for the brain. And cortisol, cortisol is the design of the cortisol is to raise your blood glucose. But it has a negative effect on brain circulation. And I have epinephrine in there, norpinephrine in there, stimulating regions of your brain that you don't need to stimulate in over-stimulating certain areas. And it becomes really hard for the prefrontal cortex, which is like that's our executive functioning. That's the part of our brain that makes this the smartest animal in the planet. That's what we can plan from. That's where our willpower is from. That's where our high-order problem solving is. All of that type of stuff. And that area is impaired when you're in fire flight. So you go fire flight, that's almost useless. So if you're just running on more stress hormones, you have worse functioning in your prefrontal cortex. - So it may not be that our memory is worse, maybe the recall sucks. - So something like a hippocampal memory, which that's a long-term rate, it's often emotional. That's probably still there when you're sleep deprived. But being able to remember something somebody told me two hours ago, when I'm a little sleep deprived, it's like, oh, that's probably not gonna be there. 'Cause that area is not working as well. - So then I'm not gonna learn as well. So if I'm trying to think about stuff, I should have learned yesterday. I might not have learned it as well. - So the conventional thinking on long-term and heavy THUs is that it's fat soluble. So it's clogging neural channels in your brain and that's where the short-term memory loss comes from. But this might suggest that it comes from poor sleep because you're smoking weed all the time. - Yeah, that one's actually very interesting. It turns out that when you use marijuana to help people sleep, the subjective experience of sleep is much better. People say, man, I slept like a rock. And at the beginning, it doesn't take a whole lot. CBD helps some people. It's about 25% of the people will say, I sleep a lot better on CBD. The THC, however, escalates drastically. So from the first day, when they did the study, I think from the first day is the 30 days or 60 days, it was 10 times as much THC it took for people to have the same subjective experience, but the CBD never changed. - Interesting. It works for you, it works for you. - Yeah, but now the problem with THC is that it's fucking with all of your brain chemistry and it's affecting hormone regulation and it's affecting, which is affecting appetite, willpower, cognition, really cognitive focus and all that other stuff. So there's some real downside to it. I think CBD is a much safer product. It's probably still not ideal, but it's way better than a sleep drug, it's way better than a personal drug. - So for some people, for most people, it sounds like it doesn't do shit. - Most people? - 'Cause it doesn't do shit for me. I never felt my joints feel better, but just taking manganese, being my joints full, or eating food with manganese and it makes my joints feel better. - The genetic variation across people for cannabinoid receptors is crazy. It's like the variability of the universe. It's like trying to look out at the galaxies and understand the carbon patterns. - So we're talking about lifestyle changes and there are some supplements that can help with your sleep. Certainly you sell one of them that's been, it's definitely affected for me. - Yeah. - If my choices are no unconsciousness that night or forced unconsciousness, which one should I choose? - Not that you should strangle but yourself in cotton on something. - Do whatever night. - He does it, yeah, but it's breathe. - Do whatever night. - It's a breathe. - Sorry, you're saying no sleep at all is gonna happen. - Should I stay up all night or take ambient? - Not ambient specifically, but some kind of sleep aid, as it were. If you're legitimately staying up all night, whereas most people who would say that would not be true, if you put them into a lab, they sleep about five times more than they think they do. But if you're legitimately not sleeping, I did have that, I had a seal who had had an RPG few feet from his head and he could not sleep at all. We did a sleep study. He laid in bed and stared at the ceiling for eight hours and didn't like never came close to sleep. So that is possible. But yes, some sleep is always better than no sleep. Even, I work with widows like a loser and that type of stuff, I give this people, I give this women value, I give this people ambient like things like that. It's like, hey man, if you have an exit plan, none of this stuff's catastrophic, right? But if you think that you're gonna use something like this as a consistent way to sleep throughout your life, like you're shortening your life, we know it's bad. - By how much? - 14 years, 14 years on average, yeah. - So if you're a regular user of ambient or if you just don't get get sleep, what do you mean by that? - Yeah, so interesting, the first, the research first came out with shift work. So it's like a career of shift work, short and July, 14, 14 to 16 years on average, kind of depending on how stressful your shift work was. - Forgive me, what is shift work? - So like doctors, nurses, cops, first responders, people who are like working from midnight to six AM. - People who are carrying rhythm isn't in line with the sun, basically, think of it that way. - Oh fuck, that's what I was doing. - Yeah, yeah. So it first came out, hey, all these people die about 14 to 16 years earlier than their peers. I'm like, well that's some concerning research. They started digging into that and I'm like, well what about people who use sleep drugs? Well, it turns out they do have 14 years. What about people who just have chronic insomnia? 14 years as well, so I don't think ambience killing anybody, it's not helping you, right? So it's like you're making you unconscious, but you're still so sleep deprived that you're dying earlier, yeah. - Okay, 'cause that's, for me personally, I think it's better to force yourself to sleep. 'Cause I've had nights a million, where I'm just up all night and that's it. And then the next day fucking sucks. I think it is important to get some sleep and I'll usually force myself to sleep in order to do it, but-- - And then I do the night, I 100% agree that if you're not gonna sleep at all, four hours of drug sleep is better than zero sleep. - Yes, 'cause I've done so many sleepless nights as well and then, yeah, drugs, I was like, all right, great, at least I'm getting four to five. Potentially six and then I can live a normal life in a normal day, that and reverse cowgirl. If I am in it, you're the cowgirl? - Correct, I'm on top. - Okay, that's gonna sleep. - I can hear a cowboy, technically. - No, 'cause I, it's what I identify. - I depend on how you identify. - Exactly, and I don't know what he's-- - I don't wanna make any present. - Correct, because from behind, I just have a pixie haircut. - Right, yeah. - I mean, it's fun and flirty, it's a no fuss type of haircut, but I let him envision whatever he needs to, because you can't see the front, you can't see my ding dong. - Yeah, and I don't let him flop against his balls. - Yeah, your freckled back looks exactly like a woman's. - Yeah, so you don't know, but-- - No, sex obviously helps, I'm imagining, right? - Yeah, it does, yeah. - It does, yeah. - Explain why. - Well, I don't know exactly why the, what the, when you look at sort of petriety of science, when you're putting neurotransmitters into neuronal tissue and measuring kind of how they're reacting to it, it's really hard to study the brain, right? You have to drill holes and like get chemicals out. So it's like, it's really hard to study. Now with functional MRIs, we're getting better, but to know what's going on, chemically in the brain is kind of hard, but we know that oxytocin slows down neurological tissue, and therefore should make you more likely to go to sleep. The thinking is, you know, for the men, it's like, well, you'll leave the woman alone, quit screwing around with her, so that she can have a better chance of getting pregnant. But I think, I don't know if it happened like after women's right movement or socialization or something, somehow oxytocin is not going to shift, it didn't make the women chatty and want to talk and hug and cuddle and stuff, so it doesn't work for women, but it works for men. - Yeah, I'm reading, and this is just a popular singer here who wrote these lyrics. "My Jimmy runs deep, so deep, so deep. "Put her ass to sleep. "We'll go up round one." And then she didn't hesitate to call ice cube, the top gun there. So he's referring to sex and then making, not only himself sleep, but his lady sleep there, because she did call him the top gun. - And he was friends with the top gun, too. - I don't understand the top gun, my friends. - Well, Tom Cruise is the best man. I mean, if you're gonna call somebody a top gun, dude, is it get higher than that? Probably not. It's Navy Seal or Tom Cruise. Sorry, bro, I want to be Tom Cruise. Okay? I want to be the best. - Well, the best. - He's got Scientology. He's got like special magic going for him, too. - Yeah, sure, that's hard. It's hard to compete against that. - No. - Another guy who doesn't sleep. - Yeah. - But in all sincerity, most of the most successful people I've met in my life don't sleep a lot. Kevin Hart was the same way, too. - They don't like to sleep, yeah. - That's not that you don't like to. - I enjoy-- - Well, there's a frustration about it. And this is what I shared when I said out there with you, kind of so much from that period of my life, I was so driven, there was so much shit I wanted to do that sleep seemed like a terrible waste of time and there were so many more things I could be doing that would get me to where I wanted to be faster. - Yes. - Because there was some reason that it needed to be either faster. I don't know what that reason is anymore. - I do. - So, you don't know what it is? - No. - I do. - Okay. - Let's spend more time with kids. And I think if you're able financially to secure your life as fast as you possibly can that allows you more time to see your kids grow up versus working all the way through their years and then boom, they're off to college and you didn't get to have that time. - We could talk about that a lot because it depends on now what are we calling financially secure your future? Like how much financial, like how many financial resources do you need to have a secure future to enough time to spend time with your kids? - Is that something that you talk about with your clients and patients? Because that's certainly, by the way, something that has come up in all these investment meanings and everything else. And I said it on a show a long time ago but the best advice I got was a dude at dinner. He was an investor set across from me and he goes, what's your number? Now that you're financially secure in this life and I told him and he goes, great. Once you achieve it, don't go beyond it. Otherwise you'll be sleepless forever and you'll be chasing this thing that doesn't fucking exist. Make that number work, be happy with it and walk the fuck away. You just haven't gotten that number yet. - I've got a 72 year old multi, multi, multi-billionaire client who will not stop. His kids are my age or older. - So they're 35, is that right? - Yeah. - And I'm just like, and I've been working with him for a couple of years, I can't even slow down. I'm like, what the fuck are you doing this for? - Yeah, what was his answer? - You can die with more billions in the bank. - Yeah, what was his answer? - He's just like, oh, it's fun, man. It's exciting is what I like to do. And I'm like, you don't wanna hang out with your girlfriend or like going to vacation or like, oh no man, I get bored with all that shit. This one, and literally you sit around him for two hours, your brain hurts. He's coming up with 20 different business ideas that he wants to do. And probably none of them are gonna happen but he does that every single day. - But it is so common that it's a trope now that when men in their late 60s, early 70s slow down, they seem to die quicker than if they keep going. - For sure you should keep going because anything you don't use, you lose, right? So why is your body going to continue to be able to do something if you aren't doing it, right? So he should date Puerto Rican women 'cause they're constantly trying to stab you. That's what I do. - And that ass keeps moving back and forth. - There's all sorts of things that, there's all sorts of things you can do besides making other billion dollars, I mean, it's just like, I don't know, my number's nowhere near a billion. I mean, I don't know. I would never close to that. - Me either, not even close to you either. - If I had a billion, my friends better watch the fuck out dude. 'Cause all I can think of after I buy everything I can think of is to fuck with them hard, like big time. - I just, I like-- - Prank so bad that you question your existence. - Bob, pull up that O.J. Simpson statue. That was in, it's still in flavor, flavor-flave backyard by the way. - Dude, we can get that statue made for 15. I talked to a guy. - I talked to the original. That's the thing. I want the original for all of this shit. - I thought you meant like getting a statue of yourself. - No. - We can do that right now. - That I want as well, obviously. - Yeah, 15 grand is how much that would cost. - Yeah, but I want the original. So the juice gave that flavor flavor. - Well, let's just rob flavor-flave. That would cost like 50 bucks. - You can't, he's a hero. He's still doing hero shoot up there. - Dude, who the fucking clocks? - Everyone. - He's just trying to save Red Lobster. We're going to do the same thing. - Oh, that's true, yeah. - We're doing the same thing. - He's trying to save Red Lobster. - Yeah, he like went into Red Lobster and spent like 30 grand. - Just called the Red Lobster Challenge. So you're buying every single plate on the menu and you're trying to save, but we're doing it next week for Juneteenth. Don't laugh at Juneteenth, you racist fuck. We celebrated around here, okay? - I love it. - We did a giveaway. We bring in a real black guy too. - Yeah, we're doing a shot like, 'cause they were like, Bob was like, "Oh, do we have off work that day?" - He's a cop. - I was like, "No, I'm a fucker." - You gotta work, you're white. - Yeah, fuck you talking about. - White slaves, dude. You gotta, no, we work on that day. It's in the middle of the week, but we are bringing in a black guy for it. - He's a cop too. - Come in and watch his feet in the restaurant. To get rid of my sins. - Just like Jesus. - Well, that's what it is. That's why people are doing it after BLM. They're like, "Hey, let me wash your feet in this fucking..." - It solves a lot of problems back then. I'm sure it's gonna keep working. - It seemed to work fine. - Well, I mean, they kinda murdered him for it, but whatever. - Oh, Jesus. - Yeah, okay. I mean, you're probably gonna get murdered either way. So what difference is it? - I wonder. - You know, I wonder. - After all this time, I wanna ask one more thing. Let's talk about lifestyle. What are things people, disordinary people, can do to sleep better, starting from the moment they wake up until they go to sleep? - All right, well, the obvious thing is to try to sleep with your circadian alignment the best you possibly can. We're designed to sense the sun, right? And use that as our cue. We don't do that. It's not how the world works anymore. But you can drive that, right? So if you get up, when you get up in the morning, if you put, if you get some bright light in your eyes, you can do this, obviously, in Texas, you can go outside and sit on your porch, but if you live somewhere where it's not, whatever, you live in Seattle, get some lights like these, put them up there, put some bright lights in your eyes in the morning, that will stimulate cortisol release, that will kinda push your cortisol curve earlier in the day, allowing you to crash earlier in the day, allowing you to go to bed at the right time. If, well, basically, so either way, okay. So exercise and bright light will stimulate production of cortisol and transplant, right? So if you're traveling, if you're on some kinda shift work, if you're circadian rhythm is misaligned, doing that stuff earlier in the morning will bring bedtime closer to you. And if you do that stuff later in the day, that will push bedtime further away from you and try to be aligned with the sun. Try to do that consistently. The most important part about sleep is how regular it is. Quality matters, quantity matters, but the more regular you are, the higher the quality is. And that's kinda the key to it. Now, if you have a lot of people, vast majority of Americans, if you don't have a lot of good insulin sensitivity, you're not somebody who's super fit. You need a lot of high processed food, you need a lot of shurs, things like that. You don't have great insulin sensitivity. Stay away from carbs before bedtime. As we were talking about earlier, your brain can perceive famine and make you wanna wake up. It's a change in blood glucose that makes you wake up. So you can be a diabetic and you go from 400 to 300. You're still crazy high, but you do it really fast. And your brain's like, "Oh man, famine, let's wake up." So that's a stressor. So if you have problems with insulin sensitivity, if you're not somebody who you know you're in good shape and you know you're processing all that well, I'd stay away from any type of carbohydrates late at night. Like you just eat a steak for dinner. Alcohol, drink as far away from bedtime as possible. So first thing in the morning I guess, right, when you wake up. No, it's far away from bedtime as possible and then at least one 12 ounce drink of water for every alcoholic drink. And try to de-stress. The number one reason people don't sleep well is stress. And most people do not think that stress is getting in that way, even when it is getting in the way. I wouldn't have time to go through it. We have a handout on my website that people can download. We can put it to you guys and give it to your website. Yeah, go ahead and send the website. We'll send it to you. We'll add it in the audio description here to the show. Yeah. What's your website? My website's DocParsley.com, D-O-C, short for doctor. And then partially like the Arab, DocParsley.com. And we'll do it for him. I want parsley. And then we'll do a forward slash some drink of bros. Drink of bros. Forward slash drink of bros. And that'll be bros. Then you'll be able to download that. Brothers makes it sound like we're wearing monocles and a ton of that. Hello, brother. Hey, brother. Hey, brother. Or we could do a Hulk Hogan. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Or a Stavich, dude. He came out with a new beer today. He's your vitamin C, your prayers. Randy Savage came out with a new beer? No, Hulk Hogan did. Oh, Daddy, he would need a-- You know what it's called? No. So I had a call with him. I knew this months ago. And we were talking about some with a seltzer. And he goes, man, you know, I own all the trademarks for all this, you know, brother. And I was like, what do you own? And he goes, all of it. Hulkomania, everything else, whatever. So I was like, what's the name of your beer going to be? And they just announced it today, so I'm not speaking out of school. So he goes, it's called the Real American Beer. And I was like, you son of a bitch. You pull it up. They just released the can and everything. It's him all jacked out on the can, and it's Real American Beer. And you're like, book here. So I think we should have been choking out Geraldo over there. Yeah. And he the one who slapped Geraldo over there? No, that was-- Slapped Geraldo. They're thinking about Jim Rome, and they look similar. I thought it was Hulk Hogan. Look at that, dude. When he bitch slapped him, because he was saying wrestling wasn't real, and he says, how real is this? And I'm like, oh, it's right. It's right. I think it was. It might have been. But there it is. There's the Real American Beer, right? Real American Beer. Congrats, Hulkster. He's got himself on the can. Has any megalomaniac would. That's awesome. What are you talking about, dude? That's fucking-- Hey, that makes me want to drink it. I'm not saying megalomaniac is a bad thing. I'm just saying that a megalomaniacal guy would put himself on the can. Yeah. Trump would put himself on the can. I'd love to probably stuff on a fucking can, dude. It's not famous enough. Hulk, though, on the other hand, yeah, that makes me want to drink this. I think I am a real American. His walkout music from the '80s should be the new national anthem, right? It's got a-- I'm a real American. Fight for the rights of every man. Fight for the rights of every man. Yeah, that's-- there we go. That's America, right there. That's good, yeah. You don't know that song, do you? It's vaguely for megalomaniacal. You're the song. What are you doing? Yeah, Bob, we're on Patreon today. Yeah. And then I think that each president should have their own walkout music. Oh, for sure. Instead of hail to the chief, that shit's gay. Get out of here with that bullshit. He wants the Stone Cold Steve Austin one for Trump. I want Trump's to be Stone Cold Steve Austin, yeah. That's a good one. The glass breaking-- Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. I mean, that would be dope. How hard you dig right now? It's the other one to 10. Diamond to 12, right there! Diamond. The fucking diamond cutter down here. Rip, drop. [MUSIC PLAYING] Fight for the night. Coming to the stage, Shandaleer, push your hands together for this beauty. Those are double H's. That is the regular voice right there, man. He's got it going on. God damn it, dude. This gets me flocking Brits. Now, I think, before we get out of here-- because you don't know what that song was, which means you're not a real American. I guess I'm not. Play-- I'm still trying, though. I'm putting one hand in my pocket by Alana S'mores. This is his type of speed, I think. She's Canadian, one hand in my pocket. He's not Americans. We got to go to Canada for this fucking guy, dude. I don't know. What about Frank Sinatra as I did it my way? That's really good. That'd be a good-- This is you. This is you. He wrote that song when he was actively using violence and intimidation to get JFK. This is you right here. I'm poor, but I'm kind. Yeah. Hi. I do recognize that song. You don't recognize real American, my own guy. You son of a bitch. Sorry. God damn it. I got one hand in my pocket, and the other hand's on a bottle of sleep remedy. You know the lyrics, two months, fuckers. Now's the point in the show we get to the drinking bro of the week, which is someone who has inspired you or helps you become the person you are today. Who'd you like to give the drinking bro of the week to? Drinking bro. Can you tell me what that-- Anything. What it is? Anybody that helps you even be in your life. Well, it could be non-heal or imaginary. A dog? Yeah. It could be an if, an imaginary friend. So we're giving somebody an award or I'm getting-- You are. I'm giving somebody acknowledgement. Yeah, acknowledging. Yeah. Whose helps you throughout in your life the most? Wow. That's a tough one. Jesus. I would say unfortunately he's dead, but one of my professors in medical school was a great mentor for me. We didn't have time to get into it, but I had a really shitty time in medical school. A lot of legal problems, a lot of interesting, seal type shit went on in medical school. And he was a great mentor for me during medical school and afterwards and made a big difference for me. Wasn't it? Simon Auster. Simon Auster. He had an hour and a half long conversation with Albert Einstein when he was a medical student. Just him and Albert Einstein in the room for an hour and a half. No way. Pretty legit. What did he ask him? It's up to your hair, bro. You got to comb that shit or what? He did ask him if he believed in God. What do you say? The same. He believed in the God of Spino's. He said he's like, "Oh, that's not random." Right. He pointed out the window. Really? He said that God is in the universe. It's basically-- there's a guy named Spinoza, S-P-I-N-O-Z-A. If you want to know what Einstein thought school look up Spinoza, God. Okay. That'll tell you. Yeah. Is it a yes or no? Can I get a yes or no? Yes. But not like a personal-- like a prime mover, but not a guy who gets involved in the personal day-to-day life of people, essentially. Oh, like Randy Savage. Yeah. I don't believe in Randy Savage. Yeah. I mean, he-- But coffee in the big time. He believes in you. Sure does, dude. That's the only person. We're going to have to have you back to talk about the seal problems you had in medical school. Yeah, for sure. Are you-- Well, there's some drinking on that one. Yeah. Absolutely. And then where is your practice at? Are you here in Texas? I am. I do everything virtual. How do you do? Yeah. So where do I sign up? Yeah, I'm looking for a doctor. Well, we'll have to talk offline. He decided to have to show-- Oh, I know. He's not taking a new basis. He's not taking a new basis. No, I don't. I only do five private clients a year. That's a ultra high network. People's a very expensive program, but veterans I work with for free. So I do-- spending those as they send me. What about a veteran of the Olive Garden? So I serve four tours of Italy there, and a lot of many-- I can hook you up with people I've trained. Well, people you've trained? OK, but not you. That's what you're saying. It's not me. None of these people have any experience with Olive right now. It's nothing personal. I just keep-- It seems very personal. I keep it to former Special Forces guys and private clients. I fucking burned my hands on lasagna plates for years, dude. For you. I spilled-- I spilled my blood for this country. I fought and died for it. And I can't even get a goddamn doctor. It would be just as good, man. It won't be just as good. I want you. And you're saying no, you're not a veteran. That's fucked. My man. I can't help everybody, but I'm sorry. God damn it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I wish I could. Yeah, I wish I could. Kurt Parsley, fucking Shamer, dude. He just shames me for working in Olive Garden. If you're out there and you're a waiter or a bartender, guess who hates you. Ding dong this guy over here. I've got no hate in my heart. Jesus Christ. You sure do. Sure do. Pick up that phone when I call you then, Doc. All right? I'll pick it up. Tell everybody where they can find sleep remedy. Sleep remedy.com or Doc Parsley.com. OK, perfect. So that was the only two places. That's it. OK, great. And I'm going to give this a go. Dan recommended it. I want to have you on the show, and we appreciate you being here. I know you're a super busy guy who hates waiters. So I'm sure you're off to fucking kill one. Hey, man, everybody's serving. So I mean, I guess I might need to rethink that. Yeah, we're all serving. That is serving, right? We found out during the pandemic who the real fucking euros are. That's right. That was the service industry. Well, you were a seal and then you went on to medical school and became a doctor. Maybe we need to start pulling these waiters off the line in Olive Garden and send them to medical school. Yeah. So no, but somebody knows what to do with all these manicottie burns. I can look at your junk and say what's wrong with you. It's too small. It's too small. It's too small. Wrong kid died while you're in a hot work on it. We appreciate you being here. Go to iTunes, rate the show five, sign, leave a quick review. Also head on over to Spotify. It's just a five star, and you can walk away. And who knows? If you can't sleep, just leave the podcast on repeat on Spotify. 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