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Here's today's floor plan. I'm Ethan Skolnick, and follow me, Ethan Jay Skolnick, and I'm at Five Reason Sports. I got Greg Solvander, you can follow me, Greg Solvander, and Brady Hawk, you can follow Brady Hawk 305. Okay, so we're getting close to doing a lot of draft coverage. We're gonna do some draft retrospectives on prior heat drafts, like say 2003, 2008, 2015, 2017, 2019, like some of the ones that will stick in your head for players that they took. Some of those we're gonna do here on Five on the Floor, and some of them we're gonna do at Playback. So make sure you download the Playback app. There we'll do one with the highlights. We'll have our team over there, Matt Hadafin, Eternal, and of course Adele, who's been helping us with a lot of this draft stuff of late, he's gonna be appearing here as well. So we'll be splitting those up. We've got about 10 different years that we wanna look at, so maybe we'll do five and five, and then we're gonna be getting you ready for the draft specifically as we go forward. But there are reports that come out. So we're going to address reports, even if some of them don't end up turning to be true, and in some cases, information is put out there because you try to spin one side or another, or whoever is revealing the information, whether it's an agent, a GM, a scout, whatever it may be, has an angle of some sorts. But there was a report today from Sammamiko that the Heat and the Lakers, and Sammamiko is based out of Cleveland. Again, they're Sammamik, they're Sammamiko, they're different reporters. We've referred to some Sammamiko reports before, and we've had him here on the show. He said that the Lakers and the Heat are trying, or maybe trying, right, or could be trying, with somewhat speculative, to get into the top five. So again, this is not like a straight report. The Heat are trying to get into the top five, but it's weird, okay. Because the Heat don't do that, Greg, right? They don't trade into the top five. In fact, I've heard of very few instances where they even tried. I remember once that they tried. I know, I think it's the same one. Which one is it in your memory? Lamar Odom. Yes, that's right. That's the big trade up. And I thought to myself, is there a Lamar Odom in this draft? And not exactly like a player comp. That's not where I was going, but is there that kind of like talented upside at the top of the draft that they would go and make this move? I think some of it could be a little bit that Devin Carter is rising up in most mock drafts and looking like a top 10 prospect. And at one point, there were kind of aspirations of having him land at 15. And I don't think that that's realistic. And then there's this other anticipation. Like there's an anticipation that the heat are going to consolidate and maybe move Tyler Hero. And I think that those are just maybe the dot connection that's happening right now versus it actually being reality. It's interesting you remember the Lamar Odom one because, excuse me, I do too. But they actually, I believe, and maybe someone from the heat will correct me on this, but I remember being at the Sun Trust building before they moved everything to American Airlines Arena and sitting next to Barry since that's how old we both are. And we had heard reports that they were trying to get up and take Darius Miles, who is just like Lamar Odom, a player the Clippers ended up taking with that really young team with Quentin Richardson and Keon Dooling and others that really didn't materialize into much. So they did do it one other time. It seemed like the piece they were dangling those days was PJ Brown a lot. And then they ultimately moved PJ in the year 2000 in the big Eddie Jones deal. But Brady, let's go to this, okay? Because again, this is not characteristic for the heat to trade in the top five. I don't think it's happening. This is not, but okay, before I say it, is this the draft to trade into the top five? - No, that's kind of the main piece here. It's like, I said before the show gets started to Greg, I was like, there was a draft where we were having this conversation where I was like, okay, jump into the top five and try to land a top talent. This doesn't feel like the one just because it doesn't feel like there's a big talent difference from one to probably 15 in their range. And here's the biggest thing, go on the internet. Look at every mock draft you have available, none of them are even almost the same. Like everybody, like there could be somebody's top three pick that they're barely at the end of the lottery in another draft, a mock draft. So it's like, you don't know what to expect on draft night that's saying you're gonna jump in the top five and get this certain guy. There's a good chance you might get the guy you want saying still, like so I think that's kind of the main thing here. But jumping into the top five, just feel like the only thing I can think of is it like the idea of maybe having that asset, like getting into the top five is saying, okay, we have a top five pick to be traded for some of these guys that we're talking about in terms of, like Donovan Mitchell's if he doesn't get the extension or this and that, like if they have a top five pick in their hands like, okay, we can move that. That's the only thing I can think of because from a draft perspective, I just don't think it makes my sense. - Well, that's a thing like, okay, beyond just, is there a player that you want, but what would the heat even move? Like, that's my thing here. - I have a scenario. Can I throw it out there? - Yes, absolutely. - Let's say that they're worried about payroll and you wanna kind of reset and take Tyler's big salary and exchange it for Reed Shepherd's rookie contract and you think that they're favorable shooters, is that a scenario? I mean, I'm trying to come up with the line. - What other team do that though? That's my thing. Like we've talked about, okay, is can Tyler fetch you a first round pick, right? Like last year, we believed he could. Now we don't know, but then it's like, he's gonna fetch you a top five pick. That's, you know what I'm saying? Like that's, I mean, BAM would fetch you a top five pick if a team could afford him, but you're not doing that. And that's, to me, that's what this comes down to. Like, I know this is not a good draft. It's still a top five pick and a cross control contract. Like those have value to teams. And also the other thing that happens here during the draft process and sometimes it ends up being wrong and you end up with a draft that's led by Anthony Bennett. But players, teams fall in love with players during the draft process, right? So we always hear it's a bad draft, it's a bad draft, it's a bad draft. Like another one is a great draft. You know what draft we heard was a great draft? The Wiggins draft. The Wiggins Jabari Parker draft. I mean, Wiggins has been basically a glorified role player. Jabari Parker's been out of the league. You know what I'm saying? So like, sometimes we hear that stuff and then there are other drafts where it's like, it doesn't look real good. And then teams start to work out particular players and they see themselves, you know, drafting that player and what that player's gonna look like for them and their entire perspective changes. So Brady, I mean, I'll go to you. I mean, what would the heat, what would they even move? Like that, I mean, Caleb's a free agent. Hey, what's a free agent? Like what? - I guess to Greg's points, Tyler. And I guess that 15 pick and maybe you attach a second round, maybe their second round pick because they never seem to make second round picks anyway. This is their new to this over the last few years since they got Jay Rich. - Yeah. - I don't know. Like that's the key here. And also, I was looking at the teams. Like which team would be willing to jump back? Like you have Detroit at five, you have San Antonio at four, you have Houston at three, you have Washington at two and you have Atlanta at one. And you would say maybe Atlanta, but you're not getting the first pick, right? Like that's part of this realistic team that you can see jumping back. - Well, I'll challenge you a little on and of that. I think there are a couple teams in that mix that probably could benefit from getting a young veteran. Like because Houston and maybe even Detroit. I just kind of feel like, I mean, Houston has been moving that direction, but it does feel like Detroit is finally ready to actually pivot and, you know, not just stack picks upon picks upon picks. I mean, this gets back to what I was talking about with the Clippers way back in the day where they had all these young players. I think did it again before Greg way back. Like the Danny Manning, Ken Norman, all these guys. See, it used to be Brady before you were born. Okay, I always throw back on this. Happy 21st, by the way. But it used to be that we saw all these players in college like for four years, right? And so like Danny Manning came out and it was like, oh my God, it's Danny Manning. You know, Danny Manning these days as a collegiate, like he would have come out like Beasley did after the first year, right? Like he wouldn't have stayed there for us. So we, unlike this draft where it's like literally, I'm like catching up now, like to know anything about any of these guys. I knew everything about those guys back then. And like the Clippers kept stacking during those years like the like players of the year, like Reggie Williams from Georgetown and Kenny Norman from Illinois and all these guys. And like it just never worked out. They just, they just kept rolling through these young players with no veterans. And it does feel like Detroit's done a little of that. Whereas Orlando and now Houston have kind of tried to supplement their picks. Orlando's just picked better, but they've tried to supplement their picks with other guys. And so I could see teams maybe saying, okay, we can get a 24 year old who can average 20 in this league. That might be interesting to them as opposed to having to develop another guy. But then Greg, you said like someone like Reed Shepherd. Okay, if Reed Shepherd's gonna end up doing Tyler Hero like things like why pay for Tyler Hero, well, he's getting paid if you can pay for Reed Shepherd, right? Like that's, so I can see it. - And that's if Reed Shepherd lands at five. He could go earlier. - Correct. Okay, so that's the thing like, I can see him on the he's perspective, but I agree with you, Randy. I have a hard time really totally seeing it from the other perspective. I'm trying to talk myself into this. It's hard to really evaluate it though. All right, on the other side of this break, we'll talk about maybe it makes sense to trade up a little. Maybe not to five, but is there a player kind of in that mix? We talk about a lot of these guys are the same. Is there a player that makes so much sense for the heat that maybe it's worth flipping a future second or something else along those lines to move up? Before we do want to mention a great sponsor with the five reasons for this work, our friends over at PrizePix is still legal in the state of Florida. 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I know there's been reports up there, I think it was Anthony Chang that wrote some stuff about Spoke kind of being more into this kind of situation with the draft, he's never in this, he's usually coaching right now. He's not a guy looking into draft guys and he's not gonna get in the way of them. But I just thought it was interesting 'cause if he even does have a little input, it feels like guys like Devin Carter, he would be like the guy's nudging the guy next to say, hey, if he does begin to drop, like maybe jump up to get this guy. I'm looking at like some of the teams in that range that they could maybe trade with, the one that pops for me is like, if let's just go really high, let's say eight, San Antonio just because they had two picks in that top 10. And if you're a young guy, why not? Like to your example, even when you said kind of getting a veteran on one of these teams like jumping in and trying to, San Antonio already got their rookie and you try to get somebody else, San Antonio could be a team, I guess. Don't think you're getting seven 'cause I don't think they're gonna call Portland. I don't, I think that one might be, I think that one might be ruled out. But I think Devin Carter is one, but this is the reason I think that I really do believe if anything, they just stay at 15, just because any of these guys we're discussing could fall to 15. Like they're legitimately top seven, top five guys that could fall to them, just because everything feels like it's out of place. And we did a playback recently where Nicola, Nicola Topech, she was like a top three, top two pick at certain points. I've seen plenty of mock drafts recently where they're projecting him to literally get drafted by Miami at 15. So like if you, I think if there's any situation for them to stay put, which they always like to do because they always like to see what they could kind of outsmart these other teams and see what falls into their lap in a way, I think they do probably stay put, but that's the top five thing just seems kind of crazy just because of this specific draft. The more I think about it. - Yeah. And Greg, I think when we get to draft night, we may end up in the situation that happens a lot, which is that we don't worry about not getting a guy. And then there are four guys there that we talked about. And then heat fans are gonna be angry about the three that they didn't pick typically because they're, he may not pick any of the four of them more likely. They'll pick somebody that fits their system better that they fell in love with sort of like they did with Hawkins, right? Like that's, that feels like where we're headed actually. I just think that's much more likely. And by the way, I don't think they'll trade down either. - No, I think they're right, Greg, right? - I think that they stay where they are. And I think to Brady's point though, but Devin Carter is shooting up mock drafts, but maybe every mock draft's gonna be wrong. 'Cause I think if ever there was gonna be a year where all these people would fall flat on their face with their predictions, it's probably in this draft where this talent gap is not substantial at the top. So you just may have a big board that has variance to all the other big boards that the professionals have. And you'll see how that plays out on draft night to your point about having like four players that you didn't think would even be there are there all of a sudden or something like that. And you're choosing between them. At this point, if you can move up for like, if Carter were to be there at 13, you should do what's necessary. If Stefan Castle were to drop for some reason, I don't see that happening, I think you lean into that. But otherwise, there's probably not a ton that you're gonna do to move up. - Yeah, that's kinda how I feel too. And I think that, again, as we get closer to draft, we're gonna start evaluating some of these guys specifically and we're gonna get into the bigs and the smalls and the wings and all of that. And I think we have to take into context who may not be here next year. I think that finding a replacement for Kayla Martin, I think is probably the direction that this goes. We keep talking about functional size. So that's something to look at. I do not think we did the Zach Edie episode. I do not think that they're taking a seven foot five guy to play next to BAM. I've been wrong before, but does not seem like an air exposure maneuver. But the other thing about this is, look, Adam Simon obviously is kind of in charge of this part, right? Chet camera has a big voice. There's scouts, have a voice. But the spolstha thing is interesting because he really, you're right. He has not had this kind of time before and he's talked about it. And so I do think you're gonna, his fingerprints are gonna be on this to a certain degree. And so I think then you have to say, okay, there's certain types of players. If he doesn't think he's gonna play the player, they're not gonna take the player, okay? And that's even with, you know, Pat Riley's predilection for certain types of players. I think there's gonna be a lean onspo in this thing. I did hear today and then someone else, I can tell you Brian Fonseca heard this today. They love them in corner. Like that is, it's pretty clear on this, right? We've all heard that. They also really, we've talked about this, really liked the kid from Cal. And we worked him out recently, right, Tyson? So, you know, just 'cause they work, someone out doesn't necessarily mean something, we'll get into that as we get close to the draft. But we've heard a lot of noise on him and then we heard about the workouts. So, and he's a player that you probably do not need to move up to take. In fact, he's projected to go later than them. So that may be a thing where he may be the guy, and then we'll point back to this episode. He may be the guy. There's four other guys on the board, right? The Cam Whitmore's, right? And then all of a sudden they take Tyson. - They take him. - And he was supposed to go 26. They don't give a damn. I just wanna make that clear, right? - That's like Brady's Tyler Smith example. Like maybe they just go with the guy that they like. - Or Tyson's an example of like, they keep their pick at 15, don't take him. And then they use 43 to trade up to like top of the second round and then grab Tyson who drops. Like that, if there was a scenario of them trading up, I could see them doing that more than the 15 trade. - I could also see them selling their second round. (laughs) Because we've seen them do that before. So I mean, I think I could go in any direction. All right, we'll have more on this as we go forward. I think, I think we were talking about going chronological, which would mean we probably, I don't really see a need to do the pre-Riley drafts, to be honest. - I agree. - Right, okay, we just made that decision. We could do them on playback. Maybe we'll do the rice cycle-y. We'll put the old heads, we'll bring them over there. So probably we'll start with 2003, 2002 is another place we could look at. Obviously the Crohn Butler draft, maybe we'll do that one on playback as well. But 2008's the one I'm interested in. So that's the fascinating one to me. 'Cause this organization, they could have gone a totally different direction over the next couple of years if they drafted somebody other than Beasley at two. Not that Beasley was considered the wrong pick at the time he wasn't. But as I talked to Kevin Love about, what if they had taken Kevin Love? Maybe the big three, don't become the big three two years later. So we'll get into a whole bunch of stuff related to that. Thanks to Brady, thanks to Greg. We will be on playback as long as the NBA Finals are going. What's the score of that game right now? Is it recording this? Does anybody know? I paid so little attention to the Finals, I gotta be honest. - 48, 39, Boston is up. Okay, so I'll pay even less attention to it now. All right, have a good night, everybody. - Thank you for listening to the five on the floor on the Fivers and Sports Network. After all, someone needs to listen to my dad. - Why wear a seatbelt? The math speaks for itself. You have a one in 40 chance of being in a crash this year. But wearing a seatbelt reduces your risk of serious harm by 50%. Their rollover crash more than three out of five deaths are from those who weren't wearing theirs. Seatbelts save lives, over 370,000 in fact. Most passengers killed in crashes weren't buckled up. Nobody is above the laws of physics. Buckle up and shift into safe. A message from the Colorado Department of Transportation. - When you need meal time inspiration, it's worth shopping king supers, where you'll find over 30,000 mouth-watering choices that excite your inner foodie. And no matter what tasty choice you make, you'll enjoy our everyday low prices, plus extra ways to save, like digital coupons worth over $600 each week. You can also save up to $1 off per gallon at the pump with fuel points. More savings and more inspiring flavors make shopping king supers worth it every time. King supers, fresh for everyone. Fuel restrictions apply. - Why wear a seatbelt? The math speaks for itself. You have a one in 40 chance of being in a crash this year. But wearing a seatbelt reduces your risk of serious harm by 50%. Their rollover crash more than three out of five deaths are from those who weren't wearing theirs. Seatbelts save lives. Over 370,000 in fact, most passengers killed in crashes weren't buckled up. Nobody is above the laws of physics. Buckle up and shift into safe. A message from the Colorado Department of Transportation.
