Whether Jimmy Butler gets extended or not this offseason, he won't be with the Miami Heat forever. So what would a pivot around Bam Adebayo consist of? What kind of players would the Heat need? And is there any chance the Heat would move on from Bam in his prime?
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That's what we recommend. But also, they can take care of you afterwards, work with the insurance companies, clean it all up. Check it out, Water Clean Up in Florida, WCUFL.com. If you've got the schmutz, they got the guts. Now, today's episode. [MUSIC PLAYING] Welcome to Five on the Floor, a daily insider show on the Miami Heat and the NBA featuring Ethan Skolnik, Greg Selvander and Alex Toledo, plus others from the Five Reason Sports Network. All right, welcome back to Five on the Floor. Here's today's floor plan. I'm Ethan Skolnik, and follow me at Ethan Jay Skolnik and I'm Five Reason Sports. I got Greg Selvander. You can follow him at Greg Selvander. Make sure to check out the last episode that we did. I tried to put a jinx on the Boston Celtics. It worked for one night. We'll see if that continues, likely not, because I just mentioned it. Alex and I went through it, and I gave my Mia Culpa about the Celtics and the fact that I said they would not win a title this year. Then everything, literally, everything broke against me. Like I said, the not excuses, they're just reasons. I gave you more than five reasons for that. But maybe by the time you listen to this episode, the Dallas Mavericks will have taken another game. We'll see. That would be nice. Although I know that some Heat fans, Greg, would rather just get over with at this point. Like let's just move to the offseason. I feel it on playback. Playback.tv/5RSN. Nobody wants to watch the game files with us. It's just like dying in the inevitable. Right, it is. Well, I'll say this. The Panthers did the same exact thing. I mean, they went in game four and got to close the thing out on the road and just decided to get blown out. I'm going to say they decided to get blown out. Not pretty similar. It's actually exactly what happened to Celtics. So we'll see what happens in that series. But today we're going to talk about BAM. We're going to do this anyway. But then there was this, of course, photo that surfaced of him hanging out, not just with LeBron, but also with Dame. And then there's this hysterical group of Heat fans. And I actually saw, you know, I call him our friend Sean Heiken. I've known Sean a long time. But, like, I feel like his whole game now is to troll Heat fans because he covers the Blazers. And, of course, we were trolling him all of last year last summer and then Dame didn't end up coming here. And so he basically tweeted like, "Is BAM going to request a trade to Milwaukee now?" So that's kind of where it's at. So we're going to cover the BAM thing here from the perspective of A. Do you think there's any way that he would ever move on from him that we may address that quickly? Or that he would ever want to go somewhere else? We'll address that probably even more quickly. And then, since I don't think either of those two things is going to happen, what would a BAM build look like if Jimmy Butler's not here in a year, which is something that could happen? Because Jimmy has the power on that. He has, of course, player option if the Heat don't extend him. And actually, as soon as that Celtic series is over, the Heat will pretty much be in position to do that. I guess by July 7th. So let's get to it. Let's get to the first question. Do you think there's any way that the Heat would trade BAM out of bio in his prime, Greg? Hell no. Next topic? No. There's just no way. They've basically, as the captain of the team, the carrier of the culture, they've in a lot of ways given the organization to him. So there's just, I know that there's an anxiety ridden group that feels like, oh no, the superstars that we see BAM sitting next to didn't get to Miami and would he rather play with them, that kind of stuff. But I wouldn't let that get too far because, for instance, when BAM was up for the max and they wanted to kind of wait for the honest thing to play out, they paid him. I think that they'll continue to pay him when he's ready to be extended. And so I just don't see that as a viable option at all. All right. So I'll get my view on this. In his prime now, I think, again, there's going to be another extension coming up. I never say never about anybody since I saw Dwayne Wade go to Chicago. So, but again, it was an older Dwayne. And there was a lot of history there that had gotten a little ugly the last couple of years. I mean, people always forget what happened in 2015 summer, which was, I mean, that almost played out the same way the 2016 did. And they had to, again, the Ariasans invited Dwayne to the house and Pat and Henry Thomas, the late Henry Thomas Dwayne's agent at the time got out of the way. And they got it one year, $20 million deal done, but it kind of lingered for the whole season and you knew there might be an issue. So again, I'm never going to rule it out. BAM is not Dwayne. I think we've got to establish that. There's nobody who's ever going to be Dwayne, but BAM is the second best player they've ever drafted. And obviously he has been the carrier of the culture and it has been, he was anointed by those who matter. He's anointed by Zoe, by Bosch, by Haslam, to a certain extent, by Dwayne. And so I'm with you on that. So the second question becomes, do you think there's any scenario? And let's go into context. If you are someone who believes that the heat have not done enough to supplement Jimmy Butler, if you're one of those, and we can have a long discussion about that because I think there are arguments on both sides of it. If you are to be one of those people, could you make an argument that BAM has seen that? Because I think this is where the people on Twitter go. The BAM has seen that and said, and also knows that Dwayne didn't spend his whole career in Miami, et cetera. There probably have been conversations to that effect. Haslam has probably talked to him in positive, but also realistic ways because I know their relationship is very close. Do you think there's any way that he would say, you know what, there's going to be a better place for me than Miami some day to win big? As long as this head coach is here, I tend to say no. I think that it's, again, a thing where if they're going to be able to pay him more than anybody else and provide an environment that at least is competitive or attempt is attempting to be competitive with him at the forefront of all that. I don't think that he will look elsewhere. I don't think you can never say never. I think that that's an important part of all this conversation, but ultimately, this is an organization and a player that seemed tailor made for each other. And so for now, for now, things always can change, but for now, I just don't see any sort of split between the two either way. I think that's fair too. I don't really see him getting to that point. I look around and I'm like, there's very few places better than Miami to begin with, right? Not just organizationally, but it's Miami. No state tax, a whole bunch of things along those lines. You're in the easier conference, at least for now. We talk about that cycle. That cycle has not changed in the past 20 plus years, you know, it's a year after year after year, it's the same thing. So I don't see it either. I think that they would reassure him in a number of ways that they will do the proper things. I think he's more likely to believe them than not. So I don't see that either. So I'm with you on that. I think that these are sort of irrational concerns born out of the frustration of inertia over the past couple of years. And I just, you know, the heat go through various build periods and sometimes they're more active than at other times, and we could get a flurry of activity this summer. We don't know at this stage. And also, I think BAM is open to anybody coming or going. You've seen some of his best friends move on, like DJJ, Gabe, etc. Then they bring back best friends like Josh Richardson. So I think probably that is a concern that is overstated. All right, when we come back, we will talk about, though, what a BAM build would look like. I want to talk about a couple of great sponsors of the Five Reasons Sports Network. Our friends over at Better Edge use the code 5RSN. That's the code 5RSN. Get $20 to play right away. What's different about Better Edge than the other books? There's no big. That means basically that you're not giving away money to the house. 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But they could also trade for a player who fits BAM's timeline better. BAM's 27, sort of on entering his prime, you could say, Jimmy, obviously going to be 35. Do you see a scenario where they pivot? I mean, if the Jimmy thing comes to a head, they'll have to pivot, right? And I think the most heat fans, the optimistic view of the Jimmy Butler scenario, if he has to leave, and you need to still find the good in that would be if he went out the door and another reasonably ranked superstar came in his place that fit BAM's timeline. I think an important part of this also is that it's a pairing that works for BAM on the court and optimizes all the things he does well. I think they need a pick and roll partner for him. It needs to be, you know, if you don't have a Jimmy level player, it can't just be Terry Rogier and Tyler Hero in the back court with BAM, like they're going to need to elevate there so that that's, I think, where my head goes when I think of, you know, post Jimmy, it's like a back court guy, a really reliable prolific score because that's just another part of BAM being relied on to do so much on defense. I think you need to continue to funnel offense to other guys and look at his offense is incremental to what you're trying to do. At least to some degree. So to me it's finding the next player to go alongside him, Adonavin Mitchell, a D. Aaron Fox level player I'm not saying him because I don't know that he's available but like those types of guys are I guess the next wave of players that I would look at to pair with BAM. We talk about the Aaron Fox or others I mean one conversation we had with somebody like Lori Markin right like if you were to empty, you know, everything right now to get Lori Markin and you would have a pivot some pivot time, right? Because you bring him in and then you have to make a decision. Okay, are you going to extend him you trade for him. You probably are going to extend him. Hey, it's Ethan Skolnick from five on the floor in the five reason sports network. As you know, we heard from Pat Riley recently everybody has an opinion on trades free agency who they should keep who they should give up. Who they should get well whatever it is that Riley in the heat do you don't want him giving up too much and getting too little right well the same is true of shaving products and that's why I use Harry's shaving products. I love the way to handle. I love the way it looks and I love the quality of the shave. I have a little bit of trouble growing out a good beard. 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We leverage industry focus insights with the collective technical resources of our firm to elevate your performance uncover opportunity and move upward at Moss Adams.com. What's next at Moss Adams that question inspires us to help people and their businesses strategically define and claim their future as one of America's leading accounting consulting and wealth management firms are collaborative approach creates solutions for your unique business needs. We leverage industry focus insights with the collective technical resources of our firm to elevate your performance uncover opportunity and move upward at Moss Adams.com. If Jimmy leaves you're pivoting around BAM and marketing the thing is my thing about pivoting around BAM is you are going to have to get an elite offensive player. You need to find you know someone who can carry because I just don't think with everything regardless of what we talk about with BAM ceiling offensively with everything he's asked to do defensively the idea that he's going to essentially be honest. Okay and carry that I think we're past that I just I don't there there's too much responsibility on his plate there's always going to be. And so you need a natural score. BAM can be a very good complimentary score at times he can be a lead scorer. I don't think he's ever going to be at the point where he's going to be a lead scorer consistently and so if you're going to pivot around him you need to find that guy. Now Darren Fox that's an interesting name obviously there's a lot of relationships that BAM has that could be leveraged here Mitchell would be ideal. That looks like Mitchell's going to resign where he is okay Dame would have been ideal for a very short period of time but not really on BAM's timeline. Do you do you see any scenario where they can get some even younger than BAM. That's an interesting one, especially if they end up moving Tyler hero like let's just say that they think that it's time for him to have a new start elsewhere. There are scenarios that people have floated about do you target someone in the draft and then you kind of take the clock back on your build considerably. I think the more rookies you add to the roster the less you should think that you're in contention, at least to some degree I know that that might not make every fan feel great. Usually young teams are not the ones making deep playoff runs so I don't know how much younger of a player. Because also this is another part of this you got to wait for the right situation to be to make itself available and right now there's not a ton of those guys out there so you're right in terms of like with marketing. Maybe you have a bit of a bridge, maybe you need to start thinking about players in that ilk whether it's Dejante Murray if you think that he's got enough upside. Look around the league at other guys that you think could you know maybe shake free. But there's not a lot of names that just pop up I mean is Brandon Ingram a name that really pop that that jumps off the page as a player next to BAM I don't know that it does. So you start to run about of options and then you just have to build the best team possible. And at that point it may become more prudent to bring a lot of young players in and then it's is BAM going to be patient enough to go through that process so I think there is some delicate balance that has worked here. I don't think you can go too young. I don't think so either the problem again of course is the young players are going to be under contract right with their own teams for a period of time relatively cheap. I think that a lot of this is going to have to be BAM working hand in hand with the organization too and we talked about kind of Dwayne working hand in hand with them and it does feel again there are back channel things that that can be done. I don't think first thing like I said I don't think the pivot is coming this year I think Jimmy will be here extension or no extension. And I think that you know again a lot of this depends on what they move beyond that like does Tyler get moved for other pieces that fit BAM. I'll say this okay and I have been against the whole idea of well BAM is a center BAM is a power forward. I saw the on Twitter you know this concept here we're not concept but the list of guys six nine and over who started next to BAM and how weak that list is beyond Yovich who is still developing player. They need to get more size. It doesn't have to be a seven footer that forces BAM to play out on the perimeter it doesn't they obviously got a spacer at seven feet in Myers Leonard but he was a journeyman type player. They need to get more overall size I think the key to this is whatever the build is around BAM they need to take burden off a BAM. They need to take burden off a BAM so that he can be at his best you know he's done some things they asked him to do 15 shots or more he got to that all the rest of that. Okay but we've seen last year shots per per shot attempts per game per month declined every single month that's not coincidental. So I'll let you close on that like a BAM build what would be your expectations like what is the upside of that. You'd have to build another titled contending team and hope that the defensive principles that come with a BAM out of bio lead defense is enough to at least have a foundation for a roster and then you have to bring in that. Three level every day score go get a bucket there's no screen needed. All those funny things that we talk about you got to go get that guy whoever that guy is to compliment BAM and then go with the trends of the league finding big functional size as everyone wants to call it now. That's the kind of stuff that I think are the basic principles that are going to reshuffle the deck and make a roster that could make a run. But that's a lot of stuff that you're shuffling up here so I think that is. I don't think we should put the car before the horse in terms of this happening. I think that this is more in theory than anything that they're going to have to confront right away. I think that's more of this as we go forward again check out the recent episodes. The one about Boston like I said hopefully that holds off for a little bit longer we'll dive into this more but we just wanted to kind of set the table we're going to discuss it more on discord what would a BAM build. Look like also we're going to start our draft series starting this week we're going to start reliving previous heat drafts did they make the right decision how did they get to that decision. All this we're going to cover a lot of drafts on the wheat weight draft of the Beasley draft of the Hawkez draft. All of those drafts will do some of them here and some of them on playback so make sure you download the playback app and look for the five reasons room. Have a good one everybody. Thank you for listening to the five on the floor on the five reason sports network. After all, someone needs to listen to my dad. At the end of a good fight you deserve a nice cold reward. Nadella is the mark of a fighter. You've earned this rich golden lager with a crisp, refreshing taste because you know the bigger the finer the better the greater you put in the hours. The energy. The tough later. You are a fighter. Nadella is your reward. Nadella the mark of a fighter. 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