All right, guys, welcome back. So as promised, I told you that I had a very long discussion with Rabbi Barclay that went much more viral than I had anticipated. Strangely, I do like the guy. I think he's a little kooky, but I think he's honestly kooky. And he lies a bit, but I don't know. I guess he's at the age where I just sort of go, oh, well, it's just like a crazy old man. But anyways, I did previously have Ami Kozak on, and I think that he was just a way more sensible voice on pro-Israel issues. And I know that because he saw these clips going viral and saw people pulling it out and pretending that Rabbi Barclay was the voice for pro-Israel, of course, he's going to take offense to that because who wouldn't when you feel like this person doesn't actually represent your beliefs. And so I wanted to give Ami a platform to kind of respond to that and to say and ask anything that he wanted to. So welcome back, Ami. - Thank you, Candice. Well, he's not here to defend himself, so I'm just going to speak to a couple of issues I thought weren't covered. And just, I think, as you believe, you know, conversation and dialogue is the best, I maintain that that's the best way forward when these problems arise. And, you know, I mean, the last conversation we had was called Ami anti-Semitic. And since then, I mean, you're definitely anti-a few semites, you know, like just a few-- - A few semites, which ones? (laughs) - But no, what I'll say is in all seriousness, I think where I'm identifying the problem as you're coming up and clashing with the Jewish community broadly, let's say, is that there is a difference between what's going on internally with you and what you feel in your own heart and mind. And I am not comfortable telling anybody that they are something inside internally that they claim not to be. I don't think that's appropriate. I think someone knows who they are and what they are and what they feel. So when people label you in anti-Semite, you are this, naturally, your defenses go up because you know inside what you are, what you feel that you have relationships with Jews, that you've had enriching relationships with Jews and Jewish people and have no hate in your heart when it comes to this. But the distinction I'm gonna make is between what you feel internally and what goes on externally. And my concern as to what you've been doing, and I think for a lot of Jewish people, but I'll speak for myself here, is that externally, the rhetoric, the types of things you've been engaged in on Twitter, the types of language you're using, this kind of conspiratorial, suggestive nature of talking about issues, and we can get into the specifics of that, saying things like, what's really going on here? This is what they want. There's Jewish gangs going on and taking the actions of particular Jews that you've had bad interactions with or nefarious Jews in history and extrapolating off of that and generalizing off of that is emboldening anti-Semitism broadly and adding to a climate that's very disconcerting for Jews. And for me, and for me too. To see that, and in a world post October 7th, when we've seen mobs of people on the street supporting it and I know that's not you, and I know that's not David we had a discussion with, but there are people who do support it proudly, and to see rises in anti-Semitic incidences, have there been mistakes in the past where we called that anti-Semitism where it wasn't there, yes, but when we're seeing it now for you to engage in this kind of rhetoric repeatedly in a pattern going on here, whatever's going on internally with you, saying you're not anti-Semitic and you don't have hostility to Jews, I believe you. But to call out what's been going on externally and what you've been engaged in, to me is not us trying, or me trying to cancel you or control you or doing any of those things, it's engaging with you and making you aware of such things. And in our last conversation, there was a point you made that I wanted to address, we didn't get to it, but the idea of like Jews are doing well. You know, this perception that Jews are just doing well and we're comfortable. Now, if you took a snapshot in history right now, like I will not disagree that there's a lot of prominent Jews and we've made a lot of impact and made a lot of positive contributions and I represent in a lot of ways, we're proud of that. And the reasons for that are because of, are very clear, like because we, in terms of culture and what we value, there are things that you've advocated for. During BLM and during blags it to parent families and education and scholarship and commitment to those things, that's accomplished, that's been very positive for our community. And so I wonder why there's not more admiration for that as much as it seems like there's suspicion for that. And I'll just close by saying in this opening part that, that for us to engage with you on this issue and to call your attention to it, is just to make you aware that even though Jews, you perceive as doing well in this current moment, the history, it reveals to me a certain lack of awareness and ignorance to the history of repeated cyclical anti-Semitism that Jewish people and the Jewish community has faced for decades, 100 years millennia throughout history in every society we've ever been in. And to not be aware of that or sensitive to that, to make you aware that you are contributing to this climate, I think is important and it's important to engage on that. And I'm curious to hear if that's something that concerns you. - Yeah, no, it doesn't concern me at all, really, because I think it's just overblown. I mean, I don't know why anybody would be offended to say that Jews are doing well in America. They are doing well in America. I don't say that as a way to slack off and say, oh, well, I guess we should point the finger and say that we should get everything. It's just a fact, Asians are also doing well. I mean, I've said that plenty of times. - No, but what about the conspiratorial language? Like, I want to get to that. So that's the first thing. It's like, I'm not going to apologize for saying something that's abundantly true and it's not, it's literally abundantly true. You could go and look at statistics that Jewish Americans are living really well. So I'm not going to pretend that they're not. To the second point about you saying that I'm engaging in conspiracy, even something as simple as saying, when you say they, when did Jewish people suddenly get the right to the word they? Like, that's even like, when did now they always mean Jewish people? Like, to me, that is such a leftist. Now we are taking this word and it implies that every time you use this English word that you've been using since you could speak English, this automatically means that you're talking about Jewish people and you need to be extra sensitive every time you type out this word because of October 7th. I just can't, I just can't subject myself to that. So if there's a specific allegation regarding a conspiracy that you think that I've perpetuated, I would like to answer for it, but I would like a, you know, a specific allegation and not just like you say they sometimes because they is a word and I have a right to use it. - Yeah, fair enough, fair enough. I'm talking about, and specifically when you're talking about a Jewish person that you feel that you've clashed with and then jump from that to say, what's really going on here and not focusing on the action of individual people, but to say, I'm just gonna say it, like there's Jewish gangs out there, or I'm just gonna say it like this pattern of focusing on, you know, you know, and not a lot of people know that in Nazi Germany when they were Bernie books, the first book they'd burn was a Jewish pedophile. Was that not something you talked about on the show? - That was. - So I'm just saying, in an isolated context of, if we're having an academic discussion about certain things in history, I can understand wanting to be able to cover everything, but you know, I'll give you an example. Like, remember the incident you had with Ted Lu where he deliberately took you out of context to make you look guilty of saying something you didn't say? And I thought that was despicable. Like it was so obvious that what he was doing at the time, but I think sometimes what you're doing, perhaps inadvertently, is in resenting being taken out of context to make yourself look guilty, you take yourself out of context to make yourself look innocent. - Yeah, I don't take myself out of context. I say an entire episode of what I wanna say very plainly, and then I'm taking out of context because I think that after October 7th, a lot of people have grown hysterical, and they're looking for every time you talk about a Jewish person. Case in point, obviously, rather notoriously when Andrew Clavin, and you just referenced it, talking about Magnus Hirschfeld and his institute being burned to the ground, you know, this Jewish pervert happens to be Jewish pervert. Out of context, meaning that you stripped that I mentioned four Christians in that exact same monologue. Four Christians that I was talking about psychology and the fact that it was created by a lot of perverts. And I talked about four Christians before I got to Magnus Hirschfeld. How do you just completely strip that out and pretend that this was a monologue about Jewish people? Actually, what's really happening is that you are defending Jewish people because every time you hear a Jewish name, you think that you somehow have a right to defend it. And to the second point, and I'll tell you what really bothers me about this, when you say you're talking about Jewish gangs, Jewish gangs have always existed in America. So I don't know why this is like suddenly something that we're going, you can't say that there could plausibly be a Jewish gang, yeah. You know who else has always existed, black gangs. I talked about it regularly all throughout BLM, talked about gangs. I talked about black gang violence the entire time today on my show. I was talking about little RT and how he's gonna end up in prison. But for some reason, Jewish people think that they're just like in a special category where you're just not allowed to ever allege that they were in gangs, even though there's non-stop evidence in American history that Jewish gangs did exist. And they had a ton of power. You know, when you can go back to prohibition, you can go back to the Jewish gangs that were quite literally the Jewish defense league that were putting bombs under people's cars. So to say that you can't imply, and it wasn't even me who implied, by the way, I was actually going back historically and talking about what Michael Jackson was implying as I was reading Diddy Docs. And saying that we keep hearing this allegation that's being made in Hollywood, to say that you don't have a right to even imply there's a Jewish gang, it's just a nonsense. If I have a right to imply there are black gangs and talk about black gangs, I certainly have a right to say that there are Jewish gangs and imply that there could be a Jewish gang. - I'm not saying you don't have a right or a legal right to say these things, but I'm just in terms of a pattern of things and an inference of things and assuming something, you know, one of the things that you were astute at pointing out during BLM, right, was that what was the fundamental flaw there, okay? It's that they were assuming that because of an incident with a white police officer and someone on a black individual and something took place or somebody was killed, that must mean that there is a systemic problem of white racism targeting black people in the United States and you spoke out against that. And so the generalization taking single incidences and assuming there's something bigger or grander going on is seems to me what you're doing with the Jewish community. When you take certain instances that have happened historically or whatever and jumping to these conclusions in the way you're engaging with it. - But I didn't jump to a conclusion. That episode was me quite literally reading through the Diddy docs and the allegations that were made in the lawsuit. And then a TikToker did an entire video talking about how these were the same allegations that were made by Michael Jackson and he didn't do that to create a conspiracy. It was quite literally the person that was involved in the Diddy lawsuit was the person that was there when Michael Jackson died. So there was a direct tie. So again, you say, I take myself out of context. You're taking me out of context. I wasn't like, here's an episode where I think that Jews are conspiring to control Hollywood. And again, like I said, if the feedback from these individuals during the time of BLM was Candace, you can't talk about black people conspiring to commit crimes and gangs that are rising up because of BLM because slavery existed and this isn't a racism that I'd say, okay, find fair bait. But it feels exceptional to me that the same people who applauded me for this exact same rhetoric and I'm gonna give you an example here, David Harrow at Dandy and David Harrow at the Harrow It's Freedom Center. He's a despicable human being. How dare you give me a literal award? An award and say you are so brave for type-building BLM and talking about all of the ills of Black Lives Matter and talking about how we're using this one issue and they're destroying communities and they're doing all of that. And then when I say, oh, wow, look at this issue going on post October 7th, you suddenly go no year and anti-Semite of the week and you deserve to have your entire life destroyed. I just, I don't accept Jewish supremacy and that's what it sounds like to me. When you have individuals who didn't care when I said the exact same thing, who still don't care, as I still cover black American issues like sexy red and Cardi B and talk about how their fame is completely fake and that there's some system that allows this fame to float to the top and yet you're so sensitive if it has to do with a Jewish person. Also white people, the people that get the most coverage on my show are white people. I'm constantly pointing to what's happening in their TikTok trends and what they're doing and they're not offended. So it actually to me is like snowflake culture that's gone writ large in the Jewish community and they're just calling everything anti-Semitism like black Americans called everything racism in 2020 and I'm consistent, I find it boring and I'm not going to be like persuaded against talking about these topics because there's a Jewish sensitivity. 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So go to puretalk.com/owins and you'll save an additional 50% off your first month when you make the switch today. Again, go to puretalk.com/owins and support a wireless company who shares your values. - Right, well, I mean, I find it really interesting because I think the way you're coming at it is as if the Jewish community is acting woke and snowflakey and the way I'm coming at it from seeing what you're saying is that using woke collectives as sort of leftist tactics and sort of generalizing about groups and using the identity as paramount as if that's relevant in any way to the stories you're covering. - But I didn't say anything to say it was relevant. That's what I'm saying. I never said that it was relevant that Magnus Hirschfeld was a Jew. No more than I said that before other people that I had mentioned before I got to Magnus Hirschfeld. Sigmund Freud was also in that segment. He happens to be Jewish, but I also didn't say that their Judaism was the reason for this or if you view it as a race, that because they're racially Jewish, that this was the reason for this. I never connected that dot. I simply set their names and Jewish people got offended. They just can't, they just cannot handle that there could have been a Jewish pervert that existed and had a weird sex institute. And he wasn't pervert. I'm sorry, a Magnus Hirschfeld was a pervert. I find it weird and extraordinary that someone would race to defend a pervert. Like if someone was like, hey, here's a black pedophile. I'm not like, how dare you talk about this black pedophile. We're going to defend this black pedophile. How dare you talk about this at all? I find that to be quite bizarre. Like you don't, you're actually not required because you're a Jewish person and this guy happens to be Jewish to defend him, Magnus Hirschfeld, because he has nothing to do with Jewish faith. - Right, but if you went on to say in several pattern of episodes in which every time you said, I'm not, I'm just asking questions. It's a black pedophile. I don't know what's going on with black people, but something's going on here. And then when black people got offended, you'd say, why can't I, like making it part of the narrative is what's going on. - But you're making that up. You don't have several episodes where I said, I'm not gonna, that's just you kind of saying that right now. You gave a specific example about Magnus Hirschfeld. And I told you this was an episode where I was talking about psychology and I had listed four Christians in that exact same monologue. No, no Christians, no Christians were outraged because no Christians- - Can we talk about something very- - No Christians are snowflakes, right? So they weren't like, why is Candice pointing out what the Christians are, that there were Christian perverts in the past? And yet the Jewish community post October 7th has gotten a little snowflakey. Everybody can see that, except even speaking to your point, by the way, and I'm sorry to cut you off here because this kind of even proves it further. When we first began that conversation with Dave Smith and you were talking about these people online that hate Jews, these anonymous accounts. And I had a Jewish friend who had messaged me and asked me, can you publicly disavow these people that are saying bad stuff about Jews? What an absurd notion, welcome to the internet. Every time I've logged on, since I was anti-BLM, I'm being called a koon, I'm being called an n-word, I'm being called a house n-word. And I've never reached out to my Jewish friends and said, hey, could you do me a favor and disavow these random accounts on the internet? It's like, grow up. I'm sorry, if you need, if this is too much for you to handle on Twitter, log off. You're adults, this is how the internet works. Have you even played the stupid game the boys like to play? Have you ever read that chat on what is it called? Grand Theft Auto, I don't know, I think it's Grand Theft Auto or one of the ones where they-- - Yes, there's atrocious things on the internet, welcome to it. - Yeah, it's like suddenly you should go up to it. - Or something like, where is everybody gonna defend us from these anonymous trolls online? I'm like, goodbye, I'm sorry, I'm 35 years old. If you need your hand held because there's anonymous accounts that are saying means up to you on the internet, then you got a log off. You just got a log off and you shouldn't be in politics at all. You really shouldn't, you're too soft to be in politics. I didn't bring this up in the last conversation 'cause I think it just would have distracted from the issue that we were discussing, but something, a clear example of this, that I'd say raises legitimate concerns. So, and I saw you talk about this with Pierce Morgan too when he brought up Kanye West and those remarks, okay? So, I know you're bored of the subject, but just for the sake of clarity. What Kanye West said, I'm going DEFCON3 on Jewish people, nothing to do with Israel, nothing to do with policies, a DEFCON3 on Jewish people, and you admit it, I think in videos after that, from what I've seen, and it could be stuff I haven't seen, but from what I've seen, you made it, I fumbled on that a little bit and I could have been more clear. The amount of, does it concern you or you can see why it concerns us that, while you may have had a lot of information going on behind the scenes that may have clouded your judgment on how to respond to that, I would simply say, first of all, you can have a personal relationship with somebody and a friendship with someone and care about them and not condemn, and not condone what they say. In other words, so the inability to make that separation, like this is clearly not anti-semitic if you're thinking about this. I mean, it clearly was and does it see, does it concern you and you see how it concerns us that many millions of people, lots and lots and lots of people responded positively to that. And when we see things like Kanye speaks truth or he's on to something, and then his subsequent after that going on, Alex Jones and speaking the way he spoke about Jews and for that to be received the way it is, it's very, very, very unsettling for us. Can you see that? - Yeah, absolutely, and I've multiple times said, like you just admitted that I understand how people were perceiving this 100%. - But that's not appropriate. - That Candace, it seems like she's not saying enough or she's not being defensive enough. And I also did an episode saying I can understand how my friends like Dennis Prager and Marisha Stree may have read that, but also, and this again gets into the conversation that we just had, when you're sitting with your friend and they're receiving text messages from someone that's threatening to take their children and drug them and they snap, like you can be also understanding to that. And obviously, I had assumed he would tell that to the public sooner than he had told them. So yeah, did I perfectly deal with that situation with one of the most famous people in the world who I happened to be friends with, knowing what he was going through, not just from one person who happens to be Jewish, Harley Pasternak, but also multiple people who were doing those things to him. It was an imperfect situation. It was almost an impossible situation. And I've owned that. I've said, listen, I totally get how you perceived that. And I am sorry that you felt that way. I dealt with the hands and people said, I'll never listen to you again for it. I've taken my punishment for it and I'm, you know... - But to call it a perception, when so clearly it was very clear what he said was so anti-Semitic, unapologetically. - Well, he wasn't, he was not talking about what he specifically wrote that tweet. He was talking about Jewish people in his life who he felt were messing with him. And I could give you more... - I'm only judging the statement in isolation. - Harley Pasternak, okay. But the point is that to them, so you're just saying, well, no, he meant all Jewish, he didn't, he actually didn't. Which is the reason why as I was going through the situation, I was hoping he would be more understanding. And that's people rightly pointed out. He then went on Piers Morgan and clarified instantly that he didn't mean all Jewish people. - And so, and I mean, it was, I mean, it, it, it, - Yeah, but I mean, that was weeks later. So you're talking, you can only hold me account to, like, what you're talking about my response. - Not you, I'm just, based on what you just said. - Yeah, you're talking about my instant response to the DEFCON3 tweet. That was the only statement that I hadn't made, which was immediately after that there was stuff going on in his personal life that had inspired those tweets. But now to kind of hold the mirror up to you. And this is what I said to Piers Morgan. Like your, the Jewish community reaction to that, very strong, cancel, Kanye. He's lost his entire life, his marriage fell apart. You know, he should never have a record deal of stadium ever again. And then your, but you're so forgiving when Beebe Netanyahu goes a literal DEFCON3 on Palestinians. People are so forgiving when Rabbi Schmulie harasses me for two years openly. I didn't see if, where is the response? Where is the cancel Rabbi Schmulie get him out of here? He's awful. It's just not the same treatment. For whatever reason, - I wasn't. - it's probably Pastor Nick's text message to Kanye, okay? He should never be welcomed in polite society ever again. That is how demonic it was, way worse than what Kanye tweeted about going DEFCON3 on Jewish people. You're talking about going after someone's kids and drugging them. Okay, that's a real threat. Not something that you're going, what does this mean? And I'm kind of panicking. That's a real threat. Nobody cared. It was a blip in the headlines. So that is the reason why people at this time, then will say, okay, why does it seem that Jewish people are able to get away with more? You have a black man who did something, it was wrong, he got hit down. You know, you have a Jewish person, they are just feeling so comfortable. Like Rabbi Schmooly, he's like, I can do a two-year open harassment campaign, no one's going to touch me. What is that? If we can't call that Jewish supremacy, what can we call it? Okay, so first of all, the comments that Kanye made on their own, you knowing all that information is irrelevant to the fact that what he said was inflammatory and anti-Semitic. What was the rest of his tweet? Everyone always has DEFCON3 on some Jewish people. But what was the other half of Kanye's tweet? - On Jewish people? - Yeah. - What was the other half of Kanye's tweet you tell me? - Yeah, exactly. The other half of his tweet he said that had been messing with him for too long. He didn't just say, "I'm going DEFCON3 on Jewish people," and tweet. It's all everyone I'm talking about. - He didn't name individuals. - Yeah, but it was very clear that he was talking about something that was wrong. You could've guessed there was more here. There was more here because he said, "Who have been messing with me for too long, okay?" - Right, but then as you agreed weeks later, he went on to Alex Jones, and these things said, "I love Hitler," and just doubled down on the anti-Semitism. - That is 100%-- - I'm not, you're not accountable for that, but that's it. - Exactly, because what you're asking me is you're saying Candace, your initial response when he said this tweet, "This is what people have tried to hang me on." This was an example of anti-Semitism, was that you said, "Hold on here." Like, he's not gonna go blow up Israel, okay? He's not going to war with Jewish people. Let's just hang on and allow him to explain this. That's literally all I said, and there was like a cancel Candace campaign. That is what started Rabbi Shul's nonstop harassment of me. Like me saying, let's hang on and hear what else he has to say. Like, that was the greatest example of anti-Semitism that people could ever pull up Candace Owens. And I'm like, well, if that's your greatest example, like, you're not sounding like, you're not exactly presenting very strong evidence that I'm anti-Semitic, especially because I have owned that in the moment, again, me having too much information, did I fumble the ball? I wish I could have said more, but that it wasn't my place to say what he was going through personally. And again, it is annoying that people always cut his tweet in half, because he said more that would let people know that he didn't mean all Jews in the world, you know? - Did the rest of the tweet say that? No, I don't mean all Jews, I mean two specific Jews. Okay. What's interesting is from my perspective, just so you can understand, it's like from my perspective, Jews are one of the few people you can say, you know, there's two different things. People are watching two different screens here, Candace. It's like you're saying Jews are supremacists and you can't say anything about them. And I'm saying Jews are one of the few people you can say and probably white people too, generally speaking, it gets bundled to that as far as the left is concerned, you can say whatever you want about and pretty much get away with it. Do you think if Kanye dropped an album tomorrow, it would do well? - Well, he dropped an album and it went to number one. - Right. - Well, that's because black Americans think that what happened to him was wrong, you know? And so it's his own culture. I don't think Jewish Americans are the number one buyers if that's what you're asking me. And so he... - Well, not Jewish Americans, but he was able to get away with it. - Well, talking about Jews. - He lost no longer a billionaire, right? I mean, he took away his Adidas deal. And I'm not here to litigate whether or not he deserved it. I'm here only to defend what I actually said and how taken, how extraordinarily blown up it was as if I had actually sent the tweet that he said. And yes, the rest of his tweet was, "The funny thing is I actually can't be anti-Semitic "because black people are also Jews, "or actually Jews also, pardon. "You guys have toyed with me "and you've tried to blackball anyone "who ever opposes your agenda." That was his tweet that he wrote. - That doesn't help. - I don't think that helps the case as far as... - You guys have toyed with me. Like, I would just imagine that when he said that. - You guys have toyed with me. - And also the beginning of a tweet. I'm a bit sleepy tonight, but when I wake up, like, did you think that he was actually gonna kill Jewish people when he woke up? Like, I'm gonna ask you that question. Did you think that when Kanye woke up, he was gonna actually kill Jewish people, or did you think that he was gonna go after certain Jewish people? - Did you think Jews were gonna try to kill you, the ones who were canceling you? - And I literally never said that the guy, the people who were canceling me were gonna kill me. What are you talking about? - I think, and we don't have to name names, but in your whole beef with Rabbi Schmuller, are you trying to kill me? What are you gonna kill me? - I said, well, I said, what's next? I said, you've already done this? You've already said this? Like, literally what's next? And that was very tongue in cheek. Like, I didn't think Rabbi Schmuller was gonna hunt down and come kill me. It was tongue in cheek as if, like, you've thrown everything at the wall here. Like, what is actually next? - Can I ask you another question? Just this, like, a personal question. 'Cause you said, this album went to number one. Certainly not with the Jewish community, but with the black community who sympathized with what Kanye was saying. Like, growing up, like, did you, was there a lot of anti-white racism you came up against in the black community growing up? Like, against white people? - I... - It's a personal question. 'Cause I'm just curious. - What I, what I, that I came up against, like, as a black person? - Just like witnessing it in the community, in your experience growing up. - Am I experiencing growing up? - Did you notice a lot of anti-white racism? - And things have since gotten worse, which is quite weird to me. And it's something that I think I've been trying to understand. And I think a lot of it has to do with politics. And it has to do with sensitivities that are being perpetuated really in the media. Like, people are being propagandized into believing that they should see each other as other. But I feel like, I always say the '90s was like the golden decade. Like, everyone was like, cool. We all laughed at each other, made fun of each other for our differences. Like, you could throw a Jewish joke, throw a black joke, and we laughed. And then I would say, maybe since Barack Obama became present around that time, not trying to pin the blame on him, things have definitely dramatically shifted. And people have gotten very... - And race relations generally. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Race relations generally. People got along, growing up. - Right. Okay. And I'm curious as far as regarding the subject of anti-Semitism generally, I think this whole notion that you keep bringing back to a Jewish supremacy, which is interesting to me. Jews don't wanna be held to a different standard than everybody else in terms of criticism. We just wanna be held to the same standard. That's, and I'm speaking for myself, seeing it as being held to the same standard as far as criticism. And like you said, Kanye's album went to number one. So therefore, I don't know if the social consequences of saying certain things. And listen, free speech, free speech, even hate speech can be protected speech. That makes you free from legal consequences, but it doesn't make you free from any consequences when you say certain things. So to conflate the two, I think has been a mistake in this conversation about free speech. And my larger point was that in terms of supremacy, which is such a loaded word, first of all, yeah, I don't think anybody's inherent identity or immutable characteristic makes them better than anyone else. So I agree with you about equality, that we're all equal under the law and whoever we're born to and whatever group we belong to doesn't make us better or worse than anyone else. But culture and practice and ritual, we all make kinds of different decisions and value judgments. For example, and we everyone has sort of the groups they're close to that we all and communities we come from and we take pride in those things. So for example, do you think your whole contention is like Jews think they're above scrutiny and better than everybody else? - I would never make that statement because that's a very broad statement. But like I said, Robert Barkley's obviously a Jewish supremacist. I mean, that's like so obvious to me that he's a Jew supremacist. - All right, I don't want to speak for him, but my point to you is like, you know, do you think Christianity or Christians who follow is better than other religions? - Yeah, that's why I'm a Christian. I think that if I think-- - So would that make you a Christian supremacist? - Well, you're Jews view themselves, a lot of Jews view themselves as a race. So I mean Christianity. - Jews is multiracial, multiracial. - Honestly, that's the first time I've heard that because if you ask other people that are pro-Israel, they'll say that they view Jew as a race. Like with you asking what they're racial. - As a people, yeah. - So that's a bit confusing, right? So I don't know if, I don't know who, it depends on who I'm speaking to. Some people say to be a Jew is to be, that you racially identify as a Jew. Other people say, you know, we are different than white people. Obviously, even though we're from Eastern Europe, we are our own race, hence the entire reason, like that many of them, whatever. - So this is confusing. - But to answer your point, you know, Christianity is a doctrine and I believe that if, you know, Christian, if Christianity was spread about the world, you would see, you would see a better world. That is my belief. But it's not a race, right? So it's like, there's nothing that's barring anybody else from having a Christian perspective. You can be a Christian tomorrow. Racial supremacy is a immutable characteristic and I think if you even Googled it, I think it is now officially like Judaism is a race. It's considered like Jew is a race. It's its own set apart from other races. They don't consider themselves white. Do you consider yourself white? - Anti-Semites don't consider, I'm from like the Nazi regime, we're the ones who really delved into this whole idea of Jews being a race by blood and therefore, there's a racial component to being Jewish, but there are black Jews, there are white Jews, Hispanic Jews, multi-racial, multi-ethnic that are all Jews. So just to dispel the notion narrowly that Jews is race, we also, people can convert to Judaism as you mentioned before. - Right, so that's why it's very confusing. - And therefore, you can't change your race, but you can't, so Rabbi Wiltby, a man I really admire, who phrased it this way, that to be Jewish is to be part of a Jewish family, that you come from a peoplehood, from a culture and there's nothing wrong with Jews feeling to me, like they're mission driven to have a certain role in the world to me, that's okay, just like you are mission driven as an individual and as a Christian, to feel that you have a role in the world to play. And part of the Jewish role that we believe is in terms of bringing godliness into the world, like these are values that I would think you would also stand by and advocate for, and everybody, in other words, the fact that you think Christianity should, everyone should be, like it doesn't bother me, that you believe that. In a world that we can respect each other's differences and we are a tolerant society, like you can believe that, and as long as you're not forcing me to do anything, like I think that's great, and I can believe, not in supremacy, but in dignity and difference. - I believe everyone should be a conservative, a free market capitalist, here are my reasons why, but. - Yeah, there are better ideas. So there's supremacists in terms of, the word supremacy is what I'm really objecting to, when you use that word because it is such a loaded term, in terms of, I think it's just a misnomer for the situation to believe that you have a role to play, that you're proud of coming from a common culture and a common people, that has contributed in a lot of ways, and even Christianity and Judaism have a shared history, and that's a beautiful thing. So I just don't, I reject that use of that language, I don't think it's helpful, and I think it's. - Well, I think people just couldn't be a Jew supremacist, right? So it's like saying, like, I reject the idea, are there white supremacists? Yes, are the majority of people white supremacists? No, are there black supremacists? Yes, we saw that a lot during BLM, especially, they were making demands that were absolutely insane, and there was a lower value placed on white life. Did every white, as every black person of black supremacists know, but you have to call it out when you see it, right? - But is everyone who criticizes you as a supremacist? - If you don't have the courage to call it out. And unfortunately, I think any person objectively listening to the conversation between me and Rabbi Barclay would reasonably acknowledge that he is a supremacist. Now, I don't find that to be problematic, 'cause what he says has not become law. You know what I mean? It's not like he says this, and suddenly it's law, and his perspective prevailed today. No, because I know the majority of my Jewish friends don't think like that. So that's why I clown on him even harder, because it's like, you are actually not representative of the Jewish community. You kind of lost the plot. No more than Rabbi Schmulli is representative of the Jewish community. I went after these people, not because they were representative of the Jewish community, because they were attacking me. That was the only reason, which is why I-- - But I wanna, yeah, on the, sorry to cut you off, on the Barclay conversation, there was one moment that came up that I think really needs clarification, and it was your discussion on the definition of antisemitism, and I know you objected to this idea of that. Oh, I guess it could just be anything, anything I say, and you see a lot of bad actors on Twitter and on online talking about it. I guess just speaking truth is anti-Semitic, which is such a, like, there is a catch 22, as I mentioned earlier, about when somebody says something in Cindy Ray, and you call it out as anti-Semitic, all of a sudden that feeds into the notion that Jews are somehow controlling speech. But the point is, the definition of antisemitism doesn't change. It is always fixed as the, call it what you want, Jew hatred, hating Jews, and being hostile to Jews, wishing them harm, we understand each other. Antisemitism means that. Well, no, it doesn't mean that. Antisemitism does not just imply Jews, right? Antisemitic to say things against Palestinians as well. Antisemitic to say things against Arabs. This is semantics. That's not semantics, they are semites. And the current vernacular, when we say anti-Semitism, we're talking about Jews. But for the sake of argument, Jew hatred, let's call it Jew hatred, okay? Because, yes, there are Semitic peoples, and academically it's understood that there are different Semitic peoples. In today's current language, in the vernacular, when we talk about antisemitism, we're talking about Jews, but let's just say Jew hatred for the sake of argument, and for the conversation. It's not that the definition of Jew hatred changes, and evolves, and is a shape shifting definition. It's the reasons and causes of antisemitism change throughout time. There are so many different sources of it throughout history of hatred towards Jews, whether it's theological, in the early days of crusades, or Islamic, having to do with hostility towards Jews, there's a theological component to it, economic, and social, and racial, as we see from Nazi Germany, Deening Jews as this other race, this dirty race polluting our people, and we need to cleanse our society of these dirty Jews. And this notion that some of the narratives here on the far right that Jews are somehow co-opting, this sort of, they're controlling our government, they're kabals, they're behind the scenes, the left-wing antisemitism, which is that the Jews are the capitalists and the exploiters, and whenever we see wealth and power, we presume it must be exploitative, and who's at the top of the wealth and power, and who has all that? It's the Jews, or in the form of anti-zionism against Israel. So it just comes from different places, but the death, but we end it the same place. - So I want to clarify that. - So I want to clarify that. - There's no question about that, there's obviously-- - But I just want to clarify what that means. - But the problem, I think, is that too many people are being thrown into this camp of people who hate Jews, and it's just not real. Like, I just am not afraid to offend a Jew. That's, whatever that is, whatever words you got to give that, I'm not afraid to call out Jewish people when they're behaving badly, okay? And that is offensive to some people who think that there's some special category, doesn't exist in my head or anywhere else. So they just get offended when I say this was a bad person who was Jewish. So let me ask you a question. What have Jewish people done bad in human history? - What have Jewish people done bad as a whole? - Yeah, and don't say like you can't say as a whole, because we just had a whole conversation about like, you know, Palestinians, we can say blah, blah, blah, blah. So, and I'm not saying this in a way as like, we need to assign collective guilt. I'm just saying, have Jewish people ever done anything bad throughout human history? - Jewish individuals certainly have done bad things. You cannot ascribe malice to entire groups of people. That's racist. - Okay, so you would agree then that saying like, the Germans is not the right thing to do. The Palestinians, this would equally be as wrong. To say the Germans, the Palestinians, any sort of that rhetoric would be completely wrong based on your-- - It's low, yeah, and it's low resolution. It's low resolution. If we're being specific and precise in our speech, you know how I feel about Jordan Peterson? Precise, you know? Being precise in our speech, we are talking about the Nazi regime of Germany. We're not talking about the Germans that brought pianos over to the United States, not the same people. - Yeah, okay, because a lot of times you will see that they're very comfortable kind of assigning collective guilt when you go backwards, you know, like, this was done to the Jews by these people and these people and these people. And I'm like, okay, but then suddenly, like you'll just get real specific if you're talking about a bad Jewish individual. - You can. - Yes, of course. And so it doesn't-- - No, but you can historically trace and it would go a very long way. - It would go a very long way. It's Jewish people would stop defending bad Jewish individuals. It would go a very long way. That's why it's like beyond bonkers to me, that someone would defend Magnus Hirschfeld. Like what is the purpose of that? Like literally why do you feel like you have to defend this weird pervert? - We're some of the most self-critical, self-reflective people. We argue all the time, we call out people amongst ourselves. I agree with you about not having tribal allegiances and looking past morality and decency because of any sort of blind tribal allegiance. We have to avoid that. Just like I wouldn't ascribe collective guilt and group identity as paramount above all things. - If someone says like, oh, there could be a Jewish gang, you're not in it. So who cares? There could be a black gang on the south side of Chicago. I'm not gonna be like, well, don't be careful. Be careful when you're talking about-- - But I would simply-- - In the things that you did in the pe-- Be careful. I'm just like, yeah, there's definitely Jewish gangs. There's definitely black gangs. There's Hispanic gangs. And I don't need to be all sensitive about it because I'm not in them. That's it. I think if you guys employed that perspective of not having to defend the plausibility of a bad person-- - But the context, right. - It would go a very long way. Just don't defend bad Jewish people because you're not them. It's not collective. - Right, but the context of what we're saying matters too. So I would say that obviously any Jewish individual who does a bad thing should be condemned. But if you were in a context of-- if you were in the south in KKK South at one point and started profiling, black individuals who were bad, but you continued to do it. And it's not like you're excusing their individual behavior, but you were surrounded in a way by a culture or something that used it as red meat, who do have nefarious intentions towards innocent African Americans to simply be mindful of that, that that is out there and be sensitive to that, that your words could inadvertently be used to provide. And I'm not saying that you're doing that intentionally and that's not what's in your heart and that's not what your intentions are. But for us as a community that's experiencing it and seeing it, to be mindful of that is okay. I mean, not everything that can be said is necessarily relevant and should be said, just because it could be something true, just it's okay to be mindful of the communities around that are going through certain things. And I don't think it compromises your ability to freely express yourself or speak the truth as you see it. Us to engage with you and let you know that this stuff is out there and brewing and there is a deep rooted cyclical history of this. Even though in a snapshot in this moment, there's certainly a lot of comfortable Jews doing okay. In the last episode, I was moved by the fact that you told me about and you've spoken about your grandfather who was an extremely influential figure in your life, right? My parents grew up on both sides and they didn't have grandparents and none of their friends in their community had grandparents. They were all dead. They were all gone. They were all wiped out. And one of the ways that that happened if you look at it, historically in Germany leading up to the Holocaust and trying to figure out what exactly happened was a lot of propaganda and rhetoric over time, as Jordan Peterson has said, "Things get bad one small step at a time." And it's true that incrementally with time building suspicion, creating a sense that Jews are above this and this and this, there's some special class. It can feed into something really, really dangerous, really nasty, really incendiary that I know you don't intend to do and I know you care a lot about the Jewish people in your life. So making you aware of those things is all I'm trying to do here. Yeah, and I think that's totally fair. You know, I think if there's any chip on my shoulder, obviously it's because like you just watched me take on the entire Black community over George Floyd and people were saying the same stuff. You know, don't talk about the fact that he was a drug dealer. Don't talk about the fact that he was a rest because there's all this history in Black America and all this stuff and police brutality. And I'm like, guys, the truth is the truth. So it is my personality and I hope that people acknowledge that. That, okay, we actually know for seven years she's been going at her own community over BLM. So this is like not as especially because it's Jewish people that she's doing this. I just don't like bad faith actors and sometimes those bad faith actors happen to be Jewish. And if you're reading a document in that person's Jewish or if you're reading into history and you're talking about psychology. And by the way, a lot of those early psychologists were perverts. That's just a fact, you know? And some of them were Jewish, you know? And maybe for people that makes them uncomfortable, but it's like, guys, just call it out. Because actually that dilutes the conspiracy. I think the conspiracy actually thrives when Jewish people defend a pervert. I think that's not a good thing. I think that makes them go, whoa, my God. Why are they defending this weird pervert? Like is there some conspiracy? Whereas there's no conspiracy when you're like, yeah, no, that guy's a pervert. He has nothing to do with Jewish people. And we're not tribal with perverts and pedophiles. Like that goes a very long way. Like Sigmund Freud was defending pedophiles. Like it's like, let's not defend Sigmund Freud's actions on that just because he's racially a Galician Jew, you know? Subjects aside, I think trust from the vehicle that information is coming from is super important. And building that trust and establishing that trust matters. And that's why I think you're getting the backlash and you are connecting it to what was happening to you during the BLM blexit campaign that there's something that's trying to strip you of your blackness and your legitimacy as a person to comment on these issues. And all you're doing is kind of speaking the truth. And I can see why you're connecting those dots. The first thing I opened with in our last episode was that it's true that calling out racism or antisemitism where it doesn't exist is an unproductive thing to do. And then you don't see the real antisemitism where it doesn't exist. And that's what I'm drawing here is highlighting the fact that I've seen as someone who pre-October 7th was a did agree that, you know, Charlottesville happened, but it's those guys and it's marginal. And it's not something we have to be super concerned about. And there was a derangement there in a hysteria under Trump that I always downplayed as well, even as the grandchild of Holocaust survivors. But when Israel, for example, the only Jewish state in the world, the only Jewish state, 50 plus Muslim states, there's Christian countries, other countries with ethnic characters to it. But the only Jewish state gets attacked in the way that it did. And to see mobs of people supporting it, cheering for it, more and more and more. And to see criticism and not any sort of sympathy at first, in some sort of broad way to not see that, or to see that like the first reactions to not be sympathetic in some way was just so rattling. And it did change my perspective in that, okay, it's not the right-wing antisemitism, it's at first I'm really worried about. They're marginal. And the worst ideas of the right, I think you'd agree on this, are not ascendant in society. You don't see Nazi KKK shows on Disney Plus. We just don't see that. The worst ideas of the left to me have been on the ascent from the academy. They're everywhere. Corporate America, you know, children's programming, it's everywhere, the worst ideas of that. And viewing people in groups and hierarchies and group identity politics and all that stuff. But after seeing that, the antisemitism of the left come out. And then I'm starting to see this new sort of really like troubling thing happening on the far right. And I know like Twitter is an ugly place, but I want to just like talk to you and because you have such a huge platform and such impact, and I know you want to be consistent and I appreciate you always being open to the dialogue of it, that's my role here to try to convey that how that's being perceived. And I know that your intentions are good. And I totally get that perception by the way, because I've heard this as well. And I've tried to make people understand it, especially from the UK, because they're saying this too, like the conservative right seems to be kind of changing on Jews. And I had to clarify for them, no, actually you are seeing a sentiment that's changing against Israel. And the reason for that has that got absolutely nothing to do with Jews. Let me tell you, if October 7th happened in Boca Raton, there would not have been a question of unfettered allegiance to what was going on with Jews in America. Israel's a different equation, and that conversation is starting to shift, because A, we see that as a foreign country. B, people are starting to call into question a lot of things. B, Bena and Yahoo has said that to me to hear a foreign leader speak about America, as if he controls it, makes me uncomfortable. And then the third thing is APAC ADL, shoving through laws through Congress, a John Greenblatt getting caught. You know, if you want to talk about not giving into Jewish conspiracies, John Greenblatt getting caught on the ADL on the Hot Mike, talking about how he's going to, we got to get rid of TikTok, and then tomorrow it gets passed through Congress, isn't good. You know, we want separation. We don't want Israel in any capacity controlling our speech. The anti-Semitism bill was absolutely horrific, and it caused a reaction. That wasn't against Jewish people. That was against foreign, a foreign country having influence on American politics. And I think because it's all happening at the same time, it can be hard to dilute that and go, okay, actually, this isn't about Jewish people. They really just don't like what Israel is doing, and the impact that APAC and ADL is having for specific reasons. And we can disagree on that. But what we should agree on is that actually it has nothing. Like, I'm free speech, more speech. You're going to make an enemy of me if you're caught on a Hot Mike, like, Bibi Netanyahu was saying that if you criticize Israel, we're getting laws passed in America. If you criticize Israel, it's going to be a problem in your life. That's gangster talk. Don't care what his religion is. Don't care what he thinks his race is. You got to now get out of my, out of, out of American pockets. That's my view on Bibi Netanyahu, which I think a lot of conservative Americans feel as well. 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If you go talk to the average person about what's happening to Christians in Armenia, or Christians in Nigeria, nobody even knows. But when October 7th happened, it was wall-to-wall coverage in America, as if it happened on American soil, right? So that then made people, and it wasn't even that. It was then they instantly condemned a lot of Americans, and I think that upset a lot of white Americans, because they were like, "Well, wait a second. This has been happening to us. This rhetoric has been happening to us on college campuses for years, and no one did anything." And then suddenly it became a mainstreamed issue. If it was relegated to the same coverage as Nigeria and Armenia, it wouldn't have been in the forefront of people's minds. So what we're talking about is the psychological impact of having day in and day out. I mean, literally, I used to be like an avid reader of the New York Post. I had to stop reading it after like two weeks, and I was like, "Is this even an American publication anymore? Is this like full-time recovering Israel every minute of every day?" So I think that the response came from the fact that it was all the media we talk about. It was all the media we talk about, and that... But it's the card before the war. Same with Ukraine, no one ever talks about Ukraine. And then suddenly, you know, Russia invaded Ukraine, and you couldn't go through it. Suddenly, I'm like, "When have we ever spoken about Ukraine here?" And now everyone's gotten it being about Ukraine. So that's just the power of the media to make something a bigger issue. You could see why from the Jewish community's perspective, and the pro-Israel Jewish community's perspective, why everyone gets so fixated. And the media does decide to put a spotlight and scrutinize every military operation in Israel, like they do with nothing else. Is a call for suspicion as to this is more than just being critical of an ally of the United States that it supports. There's something else going on here. What's different about Israel than any of these other countries? What's different? Well, our relationship with Israel is different, I would say. And I think, actually, the coverage was... We fund lots of countries. I mean, we give a lot of aid to a lot of countries, but somehow when APAC is advocating for legislation... Yeah, well, APAC pays for a list. You know, I mean, this is part of the problem, where they were covering this issue feverishly. And I mean, on the New York Post, there are literal journalists who are in the IDF. You can just see it right on their thing. So there is this sort of marriage between America and Israel. And so I think what you could be reading as, well, why is it Israel? Part of it has to do with the fact because the media is insisting on us covering Israeli issues as if it's American. And so then people started paying attention to what was happening. I actually think if they didn't cover it, you wouldn't have seen any of those protests. But most of the western media coverage of Israel is hostile. Oh, see, I don't... Maybe it's because of the publications I read, but I would disagree with them. I don't read "Let This Publication." So I'm biased. I'm reading at the New York Post. I'm reading, like, "The Daily Mail, The Wall Street Journal." And I would not say it's above in, like, very- That speaks to the algorithmic realities we live in and what you're seeing in week. We get this written read, but I would tell you internationally, the BBC, CNN, MSNBC, most of the... Well, you would agree, most of media is- Well, you better read different... What are you doing watching CNN as a bigger problem? What are you doing watching CNN as a media? But most of the media... We talk about it all the time, right? You talk about it all the time. Most of the mainstream media, it leaves less. That is true. I just don't read it. I don't know if you're on the right that year. It's not to be fair, I don't read it. And I can tell you this. They're hostile towards Israel. They have no... It's all Israel's fault. It's all like that point. So, that's the thing. This obsession with the Jewish state. I mean, that's what Douglas Murray astutely says all the time. There's tons of suffering all over the world, but nobody cares because they hate the Jews. There's nothing to do with the Jews. It's only when the Jews get attacked that they're attacked more. I think in that spirit- Why is that so good? It's just your question. I'm not public about it, but only when Israel gets attacked that it gets attacked more. Israel is the only country not allowed to win a war. It'd be good to talk to, I recommend it. You got to get him on to do that with him. But I listen, I personally don't like Beebina and Yahoo. Fine, he's foreign. I don't really care. I get that that upset some people because they think it's like... A lot of Israelis don't either. Yeah, they're protesting in the streets against him. So, I agree with them. I think they've been up to no good. And I think, unfortunately, the Israeli population, as well as Jewish people in America are bearing the brunt of bad decision-making by his party. But I look at that as an abstract in the same way that I look at what Joe Biden is doing. I think he's awful too. You know, and I critique my own president. So, yeah, I'm gonna critique Israel. I'm gonna critique Capac. I'm gonna critique the ADL in the same way that I critique Big Pharma, the same way that I critique the CDC, the FDA, and my own politicians. It's just people should just stop taking it so personal. Like, when I start advocating for like, Israel shouldn't be a state and that sort of a stuff, which I would never ever do, then we're in a whole different category. But I think people should just like, you know, give it some time. So, that's a good distinction to make. That you know that you can recognize that the people saying Israel should be abolished, dismantled. That's where the anti-Semitism comes in. We're not just talking about criticisms of particular politicians in Israel or Israeli policy, which Israel is known to do and has a whole culture of dissent and criticism. They're a robust democracy, which they should be proud of. And we should recognize as a friend of the US, in that sense, at least forget what the policy should be in terms of giving people money. I mean, there's a lot of friends you have that you don't just give the money in regular life as individuals. That's a separate conversation. But to recognize that, I think, is super important and to recognize that those that hate Israel for nefarious reasons are there and are using this guy's obsession with Israel and under the guise of anti-Semitism to say, "Only the Jewish state can exist." I mean, Ruby Netanyahu will be voted out at some point. That's not the same thing in much of the world that surrounds Israel. These people have indefinite, indefinite terms of leadership. So, that's what Israel is up against. So, I just think it's always looked at as the one that has the power. But Israel is the size of New Jersey, literally a little smaller than New Jersey. There's only 15 million Jews around the world. There's billions and billions of other populations. We're such a small percentage. And in terms of who's the underdog looking at that situation, I think if you just zoom out a little bit and see all this territory and all these regimes that want nothing more than to just knock Israel off the map, it gives a little bit of perspective to it. Yeah, I have no allegiance to Israel. I don't know. I am just an American and I would like more divorce in terms of our politics from Israel. Don't wish them any harm, hope that they saw all the issues that are in the region. But quite literally, I have no attachment to the place. And I think it's weird that people are kind of trying to... You would, of course, because you've been there, you're Jewish, you've got heritage there. It's just weird when people are trying to make me feel that their ancestral or their heritage is mine. It's just not, you know? If you want to go down-- I have no attachment to say Thomas. And then I'll be like, "Hey, listen, look at this great island, it's Caribbean accents, there's great jerk chicken, like, come on." And it's doper, it's better. If we want to go tip for tat, food's better. But if St. Thomas got attacked and people were taken hostage and I went time and time again, criticizing the response that St. Thomas made and saying, "Hey, it's ridiculous." And I said, "We shouldn't support them, we shouldn't give them any money, they should just do their own thing." I would be understanding. Because I would say, "Listen, I mean, if St. Thomas was in his own country, I would be understanding because I would recognize that this is America and this is St. Thomas." If it wasn't its own country, obviously we're just a territory of the United States. It would be weird if we did it now because it is territory of the United States. So actually-- But it might bother you if I kept crapping on it. Well, if you were talking about, because I'm so consistent on sending no money overseas, I just think about every country. And by the way, that's even, and this would be the hardest for me, the UK. My kids are half British. My husband is British. That's probably the best comparison. I would feel the most emotionally attached to a terrorist attack on UK soil. It would be very difficult for me to-- but I would wear those biases. I would say to people, my husband is British. My kids are half British. Our family lives there. And that is the reason why you are correct. Like I started our conversation with Dave. I said, "Let me put my biases on the table." Right? But I would totally understand it. People said, "I don't want to send a single dollar to the UK. I would just have to respect that." But it's been more than about just foreign aid. It's not just foreign aid. People started to say like criticizing the UK when it's the one that's been attacked or criticizing the UK's response to try to get UK citizens out of being in captivity and being kidnapped. It would make you a suspect of the people who continually only see it on that one side. Yeah, I guess. Like I said, the issue is very complicated. We just went over this for an hour and a half with Dave. It's a very complicated issue. Some people say historically it's wrong. Super like let's just look at this as what happened on October 7th and responds to it. I just say I'm American and I just am not that moved by what's happening in the Middle East. And I'd like to get people back to focus on American issues. And I mean none of no offense to any person that feels offended by it. But um... Fair enough. Anyways, I think that we should, we've kind of gone way over here. But I want to keep the conversation going with you. And I again want to just commend you because I just think you're a really sensible parigial voice. I think there are people that are radical and they're so radical parigial that they might as well be pro-Palestine. They actually might as well be pro-ga-mas. They're so crazy in terms of what they're saying. It's not helpful. And I think people like you and Dennis Prager are just always sensible, always open to a conversation, always willing to say it. Like you're like, I don't like what you're saying, Miss Candice. And I'm like, well, here's why I'm saying it. Let's normalize this guys. Let's just normalize having conversations, disagreeing and moving on. That is really what I hope you get away from this. Irrespective. And know in the comments some people are going to kill me. Some people are absolutely going to kill Ami. They're going to be all sorts of weird comments. It is what it is. But I hope you at least are listening to these conversations and growing from them and realizing speech is not that scary. As long as we are not becoming hateful people who actually wish harm in other groups. And those people should be called out. Amen. We agree on that. Thanks again. Thanks so much for all of your time. We'll be in touch. Appreciate it. Thank you. [Music]
