Are we seeing the revitalization of conservative civilization? All over the world has been a massive backlash against globalization, its leftist leadership, and its anti-cultural liberal values. And it's just the beginning. I'm Dr. Steve Turley. I believe the liberal globalist world is at its brink, and a new conservative age is rising. Join me every day as we examine these worldwide trends, discover answers to today's toughest challenges. And together, learn to live in the present in life of even better things to come. This is Turley Talks. Hey gang, it's me, Dr. Steve. And as many of you know, this channel is dedicated to following civilizationist and populist trends all over the world. We followed very closely, the recent European Parliament elections, where the nationalist populace took 25% of the seats. And we're keeping an equally close eye on the consequential elections coming up in France and Austria that promised to swing those nations further to the right. However, just days from now, something even more extraordinary is about to happen in the UK. While the rest of the world seems to be turning to the right in some way, shape, or form, Britain, if you can believe it, looks poised to turn overwhelmingly to the political left. All the polls show that the Tories, the conservatives, are about to get absolutely decimated. And my guest today himself, a staunch conservative, is here to tell us why that's actually a really good thing. I'm joined today by Dan Tubb. Dan is a former venture capitalist who now podcasts for the Lotus eaters and has the weekly show Brokenomics. Looking at our broken economic and political systems, we will definitely want to all subscribe to Dan's channels. I got the links down below so that you can stay. You can secure your front row seat on the lead up to and the aftermath of these very consequential and unprecedented elections. Dan, welcome. Great to see you again, my friend. Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I really enjoyed having you on my show recently. So, yes, glad to be back with you. Yeah, it's awesome to have you. And, you know, we were just talking a few weeks back. I mean, how times have changed since we talked? I mean, who would have ever thought that up on top? Did we talk before reform was? Before Nigel came out, if I recall, it was before Nigel announced and reform started to serve. That's right. I mean, it was a relatively sleeper election. Oh, yes. And then it just got startled awake for the whole world to see with the return of Nigel Farage and the subsequent surge for the reform party. I don't know if we could exaggerate for our audience just how unprecedented these upcoming elections are in Britain. As we were talking on July, the 4th of all dates, very fast. Yeah, and I'm just glad that we've got something interesting to talk about because this election, like you said, it wasn't sleep, but it was comfortably the most boring election of my lifetime. It was just going to be this sort of procedural matter where power shifted from the red team to the blue team. I wouldn't even characterize it as a shift from left to right because basically the Conservative party is a left-wing party. It's the same thing. It's probably to the left of the Labour party at this point. Wow. So this was going to be of no interest to us whatsoever. Wow. And then Nigel Farage appeared back on the scene and he's shaken up the dynamic entirely. Yeah, absolutely. It is astonishing. And he did it. Went back in. When was it? Me? Me? Yeah. Well, I'm thinking even the precedent of the last European elections you guys had was, I thought, was 2019, if I recall. And he started the Brexit party like five weeks before the European elections, right, April, May of 2019. And then it turned out one out of every three Brits ended up voting for the Brexit party. He won a national election. Yeah. It was for the European Parliament. So it wasn't for our Parliament. Right. Exactly. It was a nationwide election. And he won it. So he is really the guy who feels a little bit more chops. Yeah. He isn't disruptive for sure. Dan, give us just a sense of where the polls are right now. We just kind of framed this about a week out. Where are the polls right now? What can we expect to happen on election day? So the polls are a little bit more complicated than perhaps they are on the other side of the pond because while we kind of our two party system, we kind of effectively more the two and a half party system. So we've got the Labour party. We've got Conservative party who can serve nothing, by the way, apart from the gains of the previous Labour government. So that's the only thing they can serve. And then we've got the Liberal Democrats. So it's more like a two and a half party system. Now the Liberal Democrats are essentially for people who don't have strong opinions but feel that they should be voting anyway. So they position themselves as an alternative to Labour in the north of the country and they position themselves as an alternative to conservatives in the South of the country. And before Nigel came back into the scene, we were probably looking at the Labour getting something in the mid-40s as a share of the vote. The Conservatives doing very badly on probably the low 20s and then the Liberal Democrats getting there like 12, 13% what have they got. What we've got now is a kind of another half party which is maybe a bit more than a half party. Reformers come back into it. I mean they form had been around for a while but they were kind of irrelevant because the reason they were relevant is because Nigel Farge set up the party and then he stepped away and he started doing GB news and started having his media career. He started coming over here half the time. Yeah, exactly. And that was probably a big factor in why Rishi sort of decided to have the election now because he thought okay, what was happening is you were getting insurgent parties appearing on the left. You had George Galloway who is, he's a bit of a one man man but he's an excellent speaker. He has that sort of states and right quality. So he was starting to in Rome on the uni party from the left and it looked like that Nigel Farge was going to be out of the picture because he was saying I'm going to go to America and I'm going to help out Trump and do the campaign and stuff like that. So it looked to be safe to go now or before the uni party was attacked from the left. What actually happened was after the election was called, Nigel Farge made that return and I'll speak more about what I think kind of went into coming back and it's kind of thrown the polls into disarray. So now what you've got is it looks like Labour are probably still going to win the selection but they're going to win with a lower share of the vote and Jeremy Corbyn. So they're going to win with a lower share of the vote that Jeremy Corbyn lost in 2017. Wow. So this is this is one of the key points I want to get across to your viewers is is in a week's time or a couple of weeks time. If you hear on the news that Labour had done incredibly well and they've won this big victory, that's not the case. Their vote share has not gone up. It's gone down. What's happened is the Conservative party betrayed their voters one too many times and they have imploded and now we've got this alternative we've reformed and it looks like reform are probably going to get more votes than the Conservatives. Unbelievable. Now that doesn't mean that they're going to get more seats. It's extraordinary. It doesn't mean they're going to get more seats because we have a constituency based parliamentary system. We've got 650 seats all based around large market towns. All the cities will be subdivided into regions. And it's the first past post basis on each of those. And what has happened over the last hundred years or so is there's been that sort of sorting mechanism where you kind of get concentration of voters. So basically if you've got a large garden, you vote Conservative, if you live in the countryside, something like that, and if you witness knife crime outside your house, you probably vote Labour because you're in the city. Reform have come along and their popularity is much more evenly spread, which means that they can come second in an awful lot of places. So they might only get a handful of seats. But if they get more, it will break the spell. Right. And people will realize that actually, you know, there is a right-wing alternative. I mean, a lot of people haven't fully realized that the Conservatives are not actually right-wing, but even break the spell. So we are pushing what we are calling the zero seats campaign in this election. But then our meme rules are already hard at work on the double cap strategy that we're going to be pushing out after this, which is okay, one shot to get the Tories down, next one in the back of their head, and then you can have this resurgent right-wing party that actually represents the right-wing concerns. Are you using mafia imagery there? We use whatever tool for the job. Whatever gets it done. That's right. You have got to click on that link below and treat yourself and your family and friends to the most amazing soap I've ever tried. Maybe our good friends over at old country soap made on a farm in South Dakota using traditional techniques. They use only locally sourced special ingredients without the harsh chemicals that can dry out your hair and skin. Every bar includes pure and unfiltered bentonite clay that works wonders. It helps to soothe and relieve dry and sensitive skin. 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What happened to them? How did it end up where literally in a week, it looks like they're going to meet their demise? I don't know. I've read different accounts. Some have said, well, we've been here before in 1920 or whatever. This looks pretty decisively dire for the Tories. What happened to them? What happened to this once really epitome of Western parties? Well, they cease to, well, I say they cease. The true answer is that the Tory party have betrayal in their DNA. You can take the groups back a lot further than 100 years. The party was really sort of established in 1689. It was a monarchist faction supporting King James. Of course, the first thing they did was betray King James. They have betrayed their supporters consistently throughout their history. The next big betrayal would have been repeal of the Cornwall. Their support base would have been the landowners, the farmers, and in I think 1856, I might be going there more, but something around that time, they repealed the Cornwall's and betrayed their voters then, and they've done that ever since. More recently, the betrayal has always been over over Europe. Obviously, we like to think we've got a bit of pluck, you know, the British. I mean, historically, we've done quite well for ourselves. I think we've invaded every country, a part in Bolivia in Liechtenstein. And just for anyone who's listening from Bolivia, I would like to apologise for the oversight. You're missing out all that beautiful colonial architecture and an efficient railway system. But, you know, hopefully we can get around to you in a surgeon future, but, you know, we've got a bit of pluck, but clearly, the two World Wars were horrendous for us. They absolutely destroyed what was once a great empire. We sort of left on the other side of that now. And there was a view in the establishment that we were too small to be an independent power. And a lot of them, a lot of them was coming at this. This was a time of US domination. And they felt to avoid being sucked into effectively being what we actually have become, which is a vast sort of state. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. The colonization has gone the other way. They wanted to immerse us into Europe, but, you know, that doesn't sit right with us. We don't want Frenchman making our laws. I mean, we don't mind going to war with them, but we're not having them telling us what the regulatory size of chocolate boxes are, whatever it is. So that was a big split. And they betrayed us multiple times over moving as close to and closer into Europe, which we didn't want. So this split consisted for a long time. But what really triggered the destruction of the party was the election of David Cameron in 2005 to become Tory leader. Now, there was a choice back then. He was a choice between David Davis, who was a proper Tory, an ex-SAS soldier. That was the guy that I voted for. But then we had David Cameron, and he got on, got in largely on the back of the fact that he had nice hair. And so he got the female boat and the low team males also sort of went for that. You know, I'm not necessarily saying that women shouldn't vote, but, you know, draw your own conclusions. That's a different video. We'll talk about that's the next interview. We can circle back to that, like they say. And what David Cameron did is he was looking at Tony Blair. Tony Blair was, of course, in his absolute ascendancy this time. Now, for my money, Tony Blair is the best politician I have ever seen. He was amazing. No question. This is not to say he's a politician that I like the most right, right? And, you know, obviously I prefer Ron Paul or Barakalee or Victor Orban, you know, those are the characters that I like. But in terms of politician, political skill that I'd buy was Tony Blair. Now, Tony Blair was extremely clever because what he understood is the point of political power is to buy more power. So every time he achieved power, he used it to get more power. Right. So what he did is he re-engineered the British constitution and effectively he took all the functions of government that he took out of government and put them in, you know, crangoes, bodies. I mean, Bank of England would be a notable example. But there are thousands of examples of this. Right. So you push the powers of government out to the fringes, you put your friends in charge of those bodies, and then you set them up in such a ways that they will always be run by your friends. Now, this is a distinction that I think we on the right commonly misunderstand. Wow. Because we on the right, as soon as we get a little bit of political capital, we immediately spend it. We don't use it to then buy further power. Right. And this is why you get things like, you know, well, build the wall as an example of this. Yep. We've got a bit of political capital. Let's build that wall. You give the order. It doesn't happen. Yeah. And get just right. It fizzles out. Yep. Yeah. Because the mechanisms of state which you need to carry out your instructions have already been divested out to basically a collection of your enemies. Yeah. So you get right-wings, wind power, and they start putting levers in it, and it doesn't work. Right. This trust was another example of this. She tried to lower taxes and she was in for about 40 days. You know, one of our shorts is serving that long. That long? That long? I forgot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was stunning. Yeah. Extraordinary. She tried to do some relatively basic right-wing things such as cutting taxes. And the mechanisms of state essentially ejected her. So Tony Blair was brilliant. But David Cameron admired him, but he wasn't smart enough to see what Blair was actually doing underneath the surface. Right. So what Cameron did is he copied all the superficial stuff. He copied the presentational gloss that went on the top of Blair. He started moving the conservative to the left. So all the talking points of the conservative started becoming more meaningful. But we started competing on their ground. And of course, if you are competing on their political ground, you are always going to lose. And another thing that he did is he started rigging the selection process. So MPs have always been chosen by their local area. He started enforcing them from the top. And what he wanted to do is because he was trying to replicate that superficial Blair gloss that he put on top of everything, he would take diversity candidates and push them on to very safe seats, which he sort of was one of them. And he would take people with very strong social justice credentials, you know, left rings basically and put them into very strong seats, which is going to be very interesting if the Tories are reduced to only their safest seats. Maybe we can come back to that. But effectively what he did is he set up the conservative party from that point on to basically become another Labour party. Right. Right. So it's going to be from that point we would do because there was only one way to go with this left. So in more recent times, I mean, in terms of what happened, that's the foundation of it. The thing that I would, and people weren't particularly aware of that. I mean, those of us who are political observers, we could see this happening. We knew what was going to happen. But in terms of it entering the public consciousness, perhaps a bit like in the US in many elections, maybe not this one, but in many elections, we tend to vote for the person that we voted for. It's more like the least. It's more like we keep. Less than two evils. As we say, yes. Exactly. And for a long time, the Labour party was kept out for the fear of what they would do to immigration and what they would do to tax and spend. But because the Conservative party has been so thoroughly rotten from the inside, we were now doing mass immigration. We were also doing high tax and spend. So it got to the point where it's like, well, why should we be afraid of the Labour party? You are doing exactly the same stuff. We might as well take the opportunity to destroy you in the hope that a new right-wing party will come along. And that was the initial conception of the zero seats campaign. It just got a lot more interesting when Nigel Farage then turned up because we actually have an alternative now. I want to talk about that zero seats campaign, but for just a close this loop because that's what I wondered whether or not David Cameron was sort of the catalyst for this. For me, it seemed to consolidate from my observance. It seemed to consolidate with Brexit. Brexit just seemed to be that monumental event that completely upended British politics where the old traditional voting alignments ended up just going out the window. And suddenly now most of Labour constituents are voting to get out of Brexit or get out of Europe. Most of the Tories constituents are voting to leave the European Union. But the MPs in both of those parties are all remainers, including David Cameron, Theresa May, even Boris Johnson, originally as I understood it. I understand it. What you're saying is that David Cameron, in effect, is a precursor to -- because he's the one who actually called for the referendum, if I recall. He did it in order to put the issue to bed. Exactly. When he was Prime Minister, there were still some of the old school Tories around. I mean, there's still a few around today, but there's a few of you, because they're being selected out as time goes by. So he had this war within the parliamentary party, but also it was a popular issue. And of course Nigel France was doing well, and as you talked about in the European elections. So he wanted to put the issue to bed, and he thought he'd call a referendum, and he would have the entire political establishment on his side. He would have the entire media establishment on his side. And he did all of the newspapers, all of the news channels, every public body, almost all of the politicians, they're all in favour of it. So he thought this is a good way to get that issue to go away, but the people thought otherwise. Yeah. And then in the years following that, they desperately didn't want to do it. And they thought they could just, they thought they could basically talk about it until we forgot about it. Right. And again, Nigel Farage upended those plans. So I mean, Nigel Farage, even though he's never been elected to Parliament, he's tried maybe seven times now at this point. He's very difficult to get past that two-party system in the first part of the post, getting over that line. But the amount of pressure he's been able to exert on the outside has been enormous. But yes, he was Brexit that really demonstrated to everybody that it's not so much a left-to-right. It is a then versus us. It's a then versus us. We talked about that when we're on that. That's right. That horizontal divide left versus right. It's really breaking down. It's becoming much more vertical now. And for me, my own personal interest in this, I mean, I followed so closely the December 2019 snap elections. I thought that was a, I was hoping it was going to be a watershed moment in UK politics with the Conservatives blowing out labor with, on campaigning, on getting Brexit going on. It was Boris Johnson's moment, I thought. We covered it on our channel. I mean, for those who don't know. Yeah, a Conservative just won a landslide victory we hadn't seen in a century. It was absolutely astonishing yet. But you had parts of Britain that had never voted Conservative before. There were solid, solid labor suddenly turning around voting for the Conservatives to get Brexit done. What led the Tories to destroy? Was it Ukraine? And how did Johnson and the Conservatives collapse so dramatically after that mandate? I don't think it was Ukraine. No, Ukraine is something which occupies our media class and it occupies our political class. But it doesn't really have cut through apart from the occasion, Lydia, who puts a Ukraine flag up in their garden, not realising that they're supporting what we know that they're supporting. But I don't think that has any cut through with the people on the streets. I mean, there was another thing. Of course, when Boris Johnson came in, he did a semi-decent Brexit deal, but it wasn't great. The problem was is that, you know, why did we vote for Brexit? The big issue was probably immigration. I mean, for me, personally, it was sovereignty. You know, I don't want Belgians and Frenchmen being in charge of my laws. But for most people, it was getting immigration down. Now, the Tories, because they've been so rotten, they looked at that and they said, "Ah, Brexit is a mandate to stop all of this immigration from Poland and have three times as much immigration from sub-Saharan Africa." And it might not be obvious to your viewers how those cogs connected in their head, but for whatever reason, that is the lesson that the Tories took from it. So they started to rise in immigration. And it's become really noticeable. I mean, it was noticeable in the sheer numbers, but it's noticeable in just walking down your high street. It is obvious to everybody that something has changed. So what was immigration? It was 1.4 million last year, 1.2, before that, 1.1. I think, under the Tories, since Brexit, we've had 4.6 million people coming. Now, bear in mind, we're a country of, allegedly, 69 million people. I don't know. I was going to say 60. Okay. All right. Yeah. But, you know, to increase that by that sort of amount. And the other thing to bear in mind is that it's all been done legally. So, right. I mean, this would be the other message I've got to your viewers. It's, please don't think that you won the battle if you build the wall and you set the illegal immigration. Right. Because they can just do it legally. They just put it in planes. A little bit more hassle, but they can do it. You know, if this state wants them, they will find a way. In fact, they try to pull the wall over our eyes in this country with illegal immigration because we get these boats turning up. So, basically, you get these people coming from sub-Saharan Africa. They arrive on the north coast of France, and then they take a dinghy across. And that is what all of the headlines and all of the political class wants to talk about. Right. Yes, that's a problem, but it's about 40,000 people a year. It's tiny numbers. It's actually people sort of flying into airports and coming through. So, that was a big betrayal. But, I mean, there's many. So, let's go through them. I mean, there's lockdowns as well. Yeah. Yeah, he was disastrous in that as well. That's right. Yeah. He was. Now, that is, again, that is an issue that people don't talk about. It was what radicalised me is. It got me out of my early retirement to come and do podcasting, because I was so irritated by that. It was such in front that I had to speak out about it. And people don't ever talk about it, because I think they're slightly embarrassed, because they spent two years walking around supermarkets with a cut-up t-shirt on their face and standing on yellow dots and doing all the things. And I don't think they want to admit to themselves that they were made to look completely stupid, but they weren't made to look completely stupid. So, that's in their mind. So, normally, we've got the weak Brexit. We've got the mass immigration. We've got the lockdowns. Oh, yes. We've got the ripple tax and spend. So, tax and spend is at the highest point since the midst of World War II. Wow. It's really higher than it was on the Tony Blair. Wow. And, of course, we've had the massive debasement as well. When inflation is running at sort of 2% to 3%, state stealing your money, but it's doing it slow enough that you could probably get a pay rise every couple of years, and it's not too bad. You get a senior or a senior job, and it keeps getting kind of smooth out. When it's 18% in a year, you can spot that something is a bit up. It's a cost of living disaster, yeah. Yeah, and it's very useful. And, of course, a lot of the international monetary system is run off the back of the dollar. So, I mean, if you're not actually paying in dollars, it has a big effect. So, I think the UK, if it was a US state, it would be the biggest state in terms of population. It would be about Colorado in terms of landmass. But, I mean, I think it would be the second poorest in terms of GDP. Wow. Wow. I mean, there was a very noticeable gap open up between us and you guys in terms of living additions and suffering. In fact, we did a segment on our podcast recently where we just compared the sort of wages that you earn in Britain compared to a Bucky's manager. And a Bucky's manager felt sorry for us. He sent us a whole crate of goodies with a little note that said, "I'm rich and you guys are poor, so you should have this." So, we've got bags of Bucky stuff all over the world. Oh, no! So, basically, every reason for not voting Labour has just been comprehensively destroyed. Destroyed. Okay, well, we're going to do it. So, that's when zero seats came about. And the original concept of zero seats is, well, if we're going to have a Europarty, if we can make Labour completely own it. Yes. Because what they want to do, and they do this in your country as well, they do it in your European country, is they want to talk about relatively superficial issues. I'm not saying that people going in the wrong bathrooms and stuff isn't important, but it is, in actuality, quite a tiny issue that doesn't affect many people. But they want to argue about that all day long, so they don't have to argue about 34 trillion in debt. Or the fact that the US is spending something like 6.5 trillion and taking 4.6 trillion taxes. Exactly. And you guys, and we're in the same position, but we're on the cusp of a debt spiral here. Because debt is the same proportion as GDP. Debt is 100% of GDP. And at that point, it's just, okay, well, which one is growing faster? Right. Debt is where you go. So, they want to do all of that superficial stuff. So, the original conception of zero seats is, okay, let's make Labour have to fully own it. And if they haven't got an opposition, they can't do the political games. And then everyone will see how broken the established structure is. And then we can have a proper shake up. It's brilliant because you're bringing the uni party to the fore. You're saying there is no opposition. It's a single party. It's a single political class. Let's drop the veneer. Let's have it come to the fore. It's Labour. If Cameron wants the Tories to be the new Labour, here you are. It's going to be an official coalition government. We're just going to integrate you into that. That's the brilliance of the zero seats. I remember when, I think it was, I think it was right after I talked to you, actually, that Nigel Farage dropped the zero seats, you know, campaign in a speech he was talking about. So, it's actually caught on. You guys are on the front lines of changing the UK and it's political rhetoric. That was pretty impressive. Yes, I mean, that originally came from Peter Hitchens, brother of Christopher Hitchens, who I know had more purchase in the US, but he's a political commentator. He's since wrote back from it because, I mean, at his heart, he is still a boot con. So, when it really gets down to it, he's gone back to Tories now. But, I mean, he made this argument and he was making it in previous years. That was then picked up and run and coined the zero seats by the man that you recently have in his view. He would need to cover Parvini, I know, his academic agent from his YouTube channel, a friend of mine. So, he caught some coin in this term. And here at Lotus Eats, as we picked it up and we really ran with it and, of course, our meme laws have been doing. I don't know if you've seen the zero seats video, where we took AI to generate a conservative party political advert where they basically said, look, we've been destroying you for centuries and, you know, we're aiming for zero seats. I've sent it to your guys. Oh, I have to check that out. Well, obviously, we've got the link down below. We'll all check it out now. Yeah. So, I mean, we'd be really pushing that. But, yeah, we have an opportunity here. Now, actually, what happened just before Nigel Frost came back into the scene is, I believe you're also familiar with Tommy Robinson, who is then just a populist figure here. He held a massive rally in London. In Westminster Square opposite the Parliament. And it's not a particularly big square, but he got 35,000 people turned out to that. Wow. And another million people were watching it at home through online. Right. And I was there and I was streaming from it, and I was just saying, you know, look at the political energy that is here, that is going nowhere. Right. You know, all of this is waiting to be tapped. Now, I don't know if Nigel saw that or not. But the next day, Nigel Frost stood up and said there was a lot of untapped political energy here, and we need to seize this thing. We need to take hold of this and bond with it. Yeah. Yeah. Just to show people how dramatic this is. Can you comment a little bit on your current Prime Minister, Rishi Sunak? Is he really on the brink of losing his seat? So the answer to that is complicated because it's because it's not quite red be blue. We can't quite look at the polls and say, okay, well, this much shift will take you here because we've got the Lib Dems and then we've got reform. And so we're doing an election night stream on the night of the election. Oh, actually, the guys have said to invite you to come on that. So if you want to, if you want to dial in on election night, we would absolutely love to have you. Oh, I would. That would be an honor. I would be an honor. That would be great. Thank you for that. Well, we're going to be going from seven o'clock UK time to about three a.m. So that would be, I don't know whatever that is. That'd be easy. Yeah, that'd be right. Something like your lunchtime to, you know, late into the evening. So that'd be brilliant. But yeah, it's a nightmare for us trying to work out what might actually happen. Because it's not that red-blue shift. You've also got how much does the Lib Dems get? How much does reform get? So it's almost impossible to work out how it's because in one individual seat they might say, okay, well, we want to do zero seats. So we're going to lend our votes to the Lib Dems. And in others, they might say reform. And some, they might get mixed messages that go either way. So it's very difficult to understand how they actually play out in the end. Okay. Rishi Sunak was parachuted into one of the safest seats in the country. Okay. So he shouldn't do. But because you've got this four-way split, you never know what's going to happen in the night. Now, we've never had a British Prime Minister lose his seat. So we would be earth-shucking. Even if he doesn't. And everything. Very well. And it's that tenuous right now is itself stunning. Yeah. So I mean, I've been running the numbers on all the seats and the seats that always probably are going to win. They're going to have majorities of a few hundred, maybe a couple of thousand. Now, to put this in perspective, in Rishi Sunak was handed his seat. That had a majority of 19 thousand. Wow. Wow. Literally zero seats is not impossible. It is not impossible. You're not kidding. Yeah. It doesn't mean we won't play out that way, but it's actually not impossible. That's why I just want to convey so much to our audience. You can't exaggerate how astonishing this upcoming election is. And the game changer, the way it's really a political earthquake in many respects. Is there any indication that reform is already pulling the Tories more to the populace, right? Or the Tories? Are they just going down as Tony Blair wannabes? No, no, no, no. The lesson that the Tories learned from every single election is that we were too right-wing. You know, they learned that from Brexit, you know, like I said, Brexit, okay, that clearly means that people want infinity Africans. It clearly means that people want higher tax inspection. You know, the Tories will always draw the wrong lesson. And I think the Tories are going to have a little bit of an optics problem because, like I said, they have, well, since 2005, handed out their safest seats to either diversity candidates to try and insulate themselves from the charge of being racist because that's what, you know, that's what they left always throwing you. They left have a standard stock of attack lines, and one of them is racist. So to insulate from that themselves, they got a whole bunch of diversity candidates in their safer seats and they got the ultra sort of vote ones. So what happens when they're reduced to whatever it is, 50, 60 seats? Whether it's right or wrong, just optically, you're going to look at that conservative party who are the party who gave us mass immigration and people are going to be like, okay, you know, there was potentially something wrong, you know, the president, you know, whether that's right or wrong. On the lizard brain, people are going to look at that and they're going to think, okay, the party that gave us mass immigration does not perhaps represent me as much as they could. Now, I actually think this was supposed to be the war election. You know, before Nigel Farage came back in, it was all about because it's Ukraine, even though it's not an obsession for us as people, it is an obsession for the political class, the media class. And you can sort of tell this because Bishis Sunak came out with his, his conscription idea. So he wants to reintroduce conscription. Unbelievable. Yeah, and it's quite extraordinary because, you know, I mean, just the doubling down on stupid. It's just so unbelievable. They're literally occupying such a different cultural space. It's beyond belief. But it's extraordinary because what are we going to be fighting for? You know, history, heritage nation. I mean, all of those things are being wiped away. You know, you'll be fighting for as-offs. That's what you'll be fighting. Exactly. So, you know, that is extraordinary. And he actually went with a couple of options. He said, I mean, you can do military service, or you can basically give free labor to the NHS and other public service. So basically it's die in a trench or wipe an ass. It's one of those two, which is massively unappealing. And he says, oh, well, we just take away their bank account. So they don't do that. Exactly. We'll punish them, right? Right. We'll de-bank them, exactly. So that is the election campaign that they were hoping to have. It's okay. How can we militarize the nation so that we can secure Black Rock their middle deposits in Russia? Because I mean, we would build with the globalist game is to get rid of Vladimir Putin and put a Slavic just intrude in there. You know, somebody who's compliant to Davos. Right. But it hasn't worked out that way. Instead, what's happened is Nigel Rogers managed to make it the immigration election. And that is the thing that these people, and it didn't take much because people were already upset with this. But he's got that way of cutting through that now the media can't ignore it. Right. Right. Right. And it's so fascinating. He does tap into that populist bent via, he's, he's more, he seems to be more comfortable at a pub than he is, you know, in a lecture hall or something. Although he's quite the order. He could do. There's no question British tradition is quite really is the standard. I mean, he's the only other big politicians that can walk around in public spaces. Right. So all of the rest of them, they go into very controlled environments. I mean, they, they all do this, but Richard Sonic will go to a big employer. So he goes to a factory where they may cut in a JC beat and he'll line up in front of the workforce. And the workforce there know fully well that if they embarrass the boss, their jobs are the risk. So they basically behave themselves, but none of them would risk going through a walk down a British high street because they are, they are all of them. So hate it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's not afraid of the people. He loves the people who's embracing the people. Exactly. Just a real quick on. I'm just curious on your thoughts on a cure storm or take it. He's going to be the next prime minister. Once once labor takes over, do you see a new direction when it comes to Ukraine or they just pretty locked in with with Biden and NATO. Yeah, I mean, I mean, just to elaborate on key a star, I mean, the man has no personality. He has no charisma whatsoever. I mean, he's, yeah, I would expect that most of your viewers have no idea who the man is. Just imagine, just imagine the teacher at school that nobody would pay any attention to. It's him, right? So he's brilliant. So he's coming in. And like I said, his boat share has actually gone down. He's going to win this election with a smaller boat share than his predecessor lost the 2017 election. Right. Now, who is key to star me? Key to starment is a globalist. He's a member of the Drylateral Commission. I mean, there's this famous interview a while back where he said, would you rather spend time in Westminster or Davos and quickly because of flash, he was like Davos. Davos on the heartbeat. He's clicking champagne and then it up. Exactly. He's a globalist. I mean, they've been portrayed it into both parties. Now, you know what trilateral permission is it's like a lot of these were built in both groups. They all set up in the post war period to push for one one government. Yeah. And then in the 1980s, they stopped talking about that because they realized it was a bit unpopular. And we are expected to believe that they come along to these meetings every year because they just like the food. And they're worried. And they're worried about the environment too. That's a, you know. In fact, yes. So no, he's not a globalist. He's, he's maybe he's by the government. He's somewhere along those lines. Right. So is he going to change tackle on Ukraine? No, he won't because he is part of the global structure. Right. However, evidently, the Ukraine situation has not gone as he was originally intended to go. I mean, it has had some victories. I mean, it's taken out Germany for a start, which is yeah. Yeah. And this is like, I have to remind you of sometimes that there was only so far that we can break from the US will. And I'm not talking about us, you know, you're not talking about you, the people. Right. They're at the political side. It's only so far that we can break from the US because they will bomb us and people push back on that. And we're only 18 months ago since the, since the US bomb Germany, they took out, you know, they took our rights. They're Nord Stream. Yeah. And take it. And of course, taking out the German economy, what that does is it takes out the euro, which is the biggest threat to the dollar, which was very helpful at the time of the dollar share of global transactions. All right. So, but what it does do is it gives them an opportunity to take a fresh look at things and if they want to, they can scale back. I suspect that's probably going to happen in November. When Trump comes in, it's going to give them the opportunity to, you know, back pedal on this. But no, but no, Keir Starmer will do whatever. Whatever the dull disease he wants. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, a Pax Americana will not be thwarted. I know, Dan, this is, this is absolutely fascinating. I'm so excited as, you know, I've told you my, my ancestors are from Britain. My grandfather came over as the first full-time R&D researcher at Roman Haas, a German company in Philadelphia. And I've always been, it's always been ingrained very deeply within me, a love for our motherland. And, and I am so excited to finally see some serious paradigm shifting politics going on in the UK and in it, where the political paralysis was almost just, it was so maddening for so long. It really looks like it's finally. It was going to be so dull. And, and now we are so hyped for election stream that we've got coming up. I should mention, if anyone wants us to watch that, it's free to, you don't have to, you don't have to pay anything. It's free to watch all the lotuseaters.com. So come along, Dr. Steve, please do drop in as a guest at some point during the evening. But yeah, it's going to be so much fun because we are going to watch Tory Minister after Tory Minister getting wiped out. Before we go 375 seats down to hopefully zero, I mean, it might be 50 or something. But even if it's just a few dozen, that is practically zero. That is stunning. From 300 plus to a couple of dozen. I mean, oh my. And of course, and of course, seeing Nigel Frog get into Parliament, which he's back and right, he's, it looks like, and he's going to win it. And they, and that place has been controlled for so long, there has been no dissenting voices in there. There's been, he's basically just been, you know, 650 people who stand up and say the same thing. We can have George Galloway in there, who's going right on the left, but he's an independent thinker. But a popular, populist left. Yep. A populist left. Exactly. Very, very anti-Ukrainian war and the like, very anti-Israeli war. Yeah, you name it. I mean, he's, yeah, if anything, he would be more almost like a populist right here in the States or something, it can do that. Yes, perhaps. I mean, above from Jackson's benefit. Yeah. Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. And then very, very, yeah, very pro, very pro Islam, Palestinian that, that way. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And you get a Nigel Frog and hopefully a handful of four men bees and they are going to be, and they are going to be standing up and saying things like, maybe we shouldn't go to war with Russia. Right. Maybe we shouldn't go to war with China. You know, maybe, you know, maybe we need to sort out, you know, getting our own house in order. Maybe to build up our own energy security, our own farming security, our own manufacturing capabilities, rather than outsourcing everything to these places and then acting surprised when they start to leave global hegemony. I mean, so, yeah, it is going to be an absolute paradigm shift. It's going to reawaken politics in this country. I actually thought it was going to happen in your country, but of course, Trump came along as effectively a third party candidate and re-injected life into the GOP. But it could have been happening there if it wasn't for Trump. It's so fascinating. I do think it's very, it's very similar. Trump is a third party candidate to get a major party nomination. And then in parliamentary politics, you literally have a third party coming in and knocking out the main party that had such ascendancy for so long. It's astonishing. Dan, just to, we'll have the links down below, but tell our audience how they can keep up with your amazing work, and especially in this lead up and to and the aftermath of these elections. Yeah, so Lotus Eaters has a daily podcast that goes out Monday to Friday, won't DM UK time, so whatever that is, your time will be quite early. But I mean, we have a decent number of American viewers who enjoy hearing Brits complaining about, you know, the state of the world. I've got my Brokonomics series, which is on the platform where I look at broken political systems, economic systems, geopolitics, all that kind of stuff and have some fascinating guests, including, of course, Dr. Steve, who came on on a recent episode and was absolutely superb. But the main thing I'm pushing, yeah, come on to the election stream because it's going to be so much fun. It is really going to change things. And I just hope that once again, because of course Brexit foreshadowed Trump. Exactly. Oh, you stole my thunder, that's what we're thinking about. I do apologize. But hopefully that dynamic is going to play out once again. We're going to tee up the puck and then you guys are going to knock it out of the problem. I love it. I love it. Another back-to-back political earthquake, just like in 2016, absolutely. You know, I get, dad, I still tell people, I mean, there's a small amount of us who are very, who are geeks about world politics, especially European politics. I could still remember where I was on June 24th, the morning of June 24th, 2016. I was in Atlanta, Georgia at a conference at a classical school conference and the headlines on the newspapers in the, in the, where I was getting my coffee. I didn't think Brexit was going to pass. I didn't even stay up for it. I was like, uh, there's no way it's going to happen when I saw Britain votes to leave the EU. I was on cloud nine for the whole rest of the conference. So, yes, let's hopefully we're going to have one of the, one of the big things that wasn't meant to happen, just like Trump wasn't meant to happen. You know, these guys, they thought they had it all rocked down. But the one thing they forgot about is that their populations are not going along. I mean, it's the stuff you talk about. You talk about this brilliantly. But, you know, it's, there was a populist revolt and a massive revolt. Yeah. And it's getting harder and harder for them to keep the lid on this thing. Dan, thanks so much for being with us, gang. Make sure you click on the link below. Subscribe to all Dan's work. I couldn't recommend channels and more than Dan's and get a front row seat. And these monumental ethical changes unfolding in real time in the UK, astonishing stuff. Dan, thank you again. Let's have you back soon. I absolutely love to. And yeah, best wishes to all you viewers. Hopefully you'll see on the election night stream. It's going to be fun. Absolutely. I am honored to be on that. That would be wonderful. Thank you so much for that. Thanks so much for listening to this episode of the Turley Talks Podcast. Don't forget to subscribe, leave us a five star review, and share this episode with your friends. Help us defeat the fake news media and rank us the number one news and commentary podcast all over the world. 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