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Probably would have had some episodes earlier if I was not currently traveling. I'm currently in a hotel room in Charlotte, and so I'm going to be a little mindful of my volume today, if that's all right with everybody. But a lot of things have happened over the last couple of days. The Florida Panthers win the Stanley Cup over the Edmonton Oilers in game seven. Casey Middlestadt gets a three-year extension from the Avalanche, and what we're going to lead off with today. The most important thing, obviously, Nathan McKinnon wins the heart and the Ted Lindsay at the NHL Awards, finally not being robbed at the award for the third time, and finally is the league MVP. And I wasn't nervous, but there was always that voice in the back of my head being like, are they really going to do this again? And thankfully, they didn't. Finally, McKinnon is the MVP. Yeah, just an FYI, too. I am still battling a cold, so if you hear some coughs during this, my apologies. But he finally won it. And before we talk about that, I know you were just kind of, you were working tonight, I was working tonight. I was watching the award show. I don't know why we do this, this award show in general. They had a comedian who I had never heard of on there, and it was the most awkward shit I've ever seen in my life. And I don't blame the comedian. It's just NHL players, when they're in front of a camera, they aren't fun. We know this. NHL players are not fun in front of a camera. And this comedian's trying his best, and the highlight of the night was when the host tried to be in the key to Kootraff, and the key to Kootraff was like, "Fuck you, dude. I don't want to do this." It was crazy how cringy this entire thing was. Yeah, so I was in a restaurant shooting footage for our event that I'm working right now. So I couldn't hear anything. So, and I have avoided things since because I want you to explain to me what the hell this was. I didn't even know who the comedian was. I don't know who it was. Maybe some listener will be able to tell us. It is very hard to get the hockey community on Twitter to agree on things, and holy shit, they got this to agree on how much this award show sucked. It was just so awkward. He was impersonating other people, and it was very confusing, because when he went to interview McKinnon, he went as Pat McAfee. And yeah, he was like, the John Bootraff was like, "And now let's send it over to Pat McAfee who will be interviewing Nathan McKinnon." You're like, "Oh, cool. They got Pat McAfee here. It's on ESPN." No, it was the host impersonating Pat McAfee. It didn't even sound like Pat McAfee. And McKinnon was just like, "Yeah, I've lost this a couple of times, hopefully the fourth times charm." And it was just the most awkward thing you will ever watch. So I'm sitting there watching it. I'm officiating Pee Wee soccer. And I've been just watching this, and I'm like, "I'm cringe, and I'm watching it on my phone. I can't imagine if I was watching this on TV." It was so bad, dude. And I get the initials trying to get ratings and all this stuff, but just these guys aren't meant to be on TV. A lot of them aren't meant to be on TV. There's a select few who are good in front of a camera. Nathan McKinnon loved the guy. Not great on camera. He just cares about hockey, and that's it. If you gave me 100 guesses, I don't think I would have come anywhere close to that. I thought I was just going to be the usual comedian no one knows trying too hard, and NHLers who just want to leave. Yep. He's pretending to be Pat McAfee? Yeah. He'd go out every time he interviewed someone, he'd dress up as someone else. It was so weird. Is it that funny? No, it wasn't funny, man. It wasn't funny. It wasn't funny. What's the bit? But when you're done, go watch the interview with Nikita Kucharov, because he dressed kind of like Nikita Kucharov like after they won the cup. And Nikita Kucharov is just like, "Dude, fuck off, man. I don't want to be a part of this." At one point, he gave Connor Bader to fake ID and made a whole joke. The one thing I saw, I didn't even need volume for this. It was subtitles for us by the TV I was standing by. The one where they, like, the season's been going for 270 days. Here's Bader at the beginning of the season, and it's like him still in the womb, and they cut to Bader, and he looks like horrified. Yeah. He looked absolutely terrified. And I'm working at this point, like, at a conference. And I'm trying to lock in so hard not to burst out laughing when they cut to Connor Bader. It was so bad that it was almost good in a weird way, like it was so bad and so cringy. Like, at that point, just have Gary Betman host the whole thing. Like at least just some of us laugh. Like, this dude is trying, and then Jay Farrow, I don't know if you know who Jay Farrow is, SNL guy, black guy does the impressions. He came out and he goes, "I don't know what is about you hockey players, but y'all have the same face. None of y'all are laughing." And it's like, I get that because Jay Farrow is actually kind of funny. But, like, I just don't understand why we try to turn the award shows into stand-up. Right. I've never understood why. If you're going to do that, get an actual funny person to do it. The way that it was funny. Even Thompson did a halfway decent job with it one time where it was, like, actually kind of funny. Why do we do this to ourselves? Just announce them online. Send out an email to the press saying who wins the fucking awards because every time they try to do this, it falls so badly on his face. I forget what year it was. But the one time they brought out, like, the magician with the card tricks to announce who won the Selkie, and he just completely fucks it up. It's like, Dinkopatar won the Selkie, and it's the pictures all jumbled and backwards. And he's just like, "Ah." Like, the image all tries. They try. Just don't do this. It was so bad, dude. So so bad. And although the best part was, remember how Michael Bublé was just so annoying at the All-Star game? The post did an impersonation of Michael Bublé on mushrooms. That was one of his bits. I was like, "Okay, this is where this is going." And every time he talked, I just returned it on mute because I didn't want to cringe. It ruined what should have been just a very monumental night for Abstvans because after this 10-minute distraction we put our own selves on, we got way off topic there. Nathan McKinnon wins the heart, wins the Ted Lindsey. And if we're being honest, wasn't even that close in the heart, wasn't even that close. I don't think any award was that close tonight. Everything was kind of a blowout. No surprises, really, I think everyone predicted every single award that got handed out today. You had Hellebuk win the Vessna. You had Quinn Hughes win the Norris with McCar coming in third. You had McKinnon sweeping the heart and the Ted Lindsey. And I might forget, and anyone here, I mean, it doesn't really matter because again, it went exactly the way we expected it to. But getting back on topic, McKinnon starts the night by winning the Ted Lindsey. That to me said, okay, there's really not much doubt that he's going to win the heart here. But just until I could see it with my own eyes, here's another thing. The season ended like two and a half months ago, where a lot of that momentum of the original conversation was really lost, but we forget towards the end of the season, there was a lot of like, oh, Kuchra, I've got the 100 assists, you know, all these people talking them up on TV, which had me really down, like, are they actually going to turn around at the last second and give this to him based on like the last week? But I'm glad most people came to their senses. And they haven't released like the individual ballots yet. You had one absolute goofball who put McKinnon fifth, I'm just like, I just want to know what that person is watching when they're watching hockey. Like what are you looking for when you're watching hockey? Because if you would put McKinnon first or third, I get it. Like that's, that's fair. That's fair. I don't know where on that first and third, there's three finalists, that makes sense. To put him fifth, name four players who were better than Nathan McKinnon this year. Okay. Okay. So you put Kuchra, McDavid, Matthews, Panera, and I assume he had Panera in ahead of him. And but like all of them, it's crazy every single one. We do this every year where we just pick on one guy who has an absurd ballot, but it should not take away from the fact that overall it was not as close as some people would have led you to believe going into it. He gets 137 first place votes. Nikita Kuchra gets 50, McDavid gets one, Matthews gets two, Panera and gets three. That's crazy to me. That's great. That's fucking weird. Connor Hellebuk gets one and that's all the first place votes. And I think the most telling thing here is that only one person had McKinnon below third and about 34 people had Kuchra, below third. He had also crazy, also crazy, but also going back to my point several months ago, that's why McKinnon was going to win because he's not going to be low on anyone's ballots. There is actually a legitimate argument to put Kuchra lower than some of these guys. I don't agree with it. I had Kuchra second if I had a ballot, but there is that argument to be made. You couldn't make it against McKinnon. The only reasonable place you could put in was second. Most people disagreed he should win because he was the most valuable player this year. I felt like I was beating my head against a wall. I forgot how nauseating this argument was because, like you said, the entire year we were dealing with this, people in our mentions being like, "Oh, Nadia." I forgot how bad it was until I tweeted out then one and I had tamped to be lightning fans and my mention being like, "You take Kuchra off off the lightning there. They aren't even a playoff team. You take McKinnon off the abs. They're still playing team." Okay. Counter-argument. You swap the two players. The avalanche have less points and the lightning have more points. It's that fucking simple. It's not complicated. Your only argument is that McKinnon is on too good of a team, which doesn't matter. That's how good of a season that he had, by the way, is that he completely overcame that narrative, that he's had to carry every single year that he can't win because he has Macar and ranting it on his team so he can't be the most valuable player and goes out and has that season. It's the best in avalanche history, completely destroying all notion that he "needs those guys" or can't be the most valuable player. It's incredibly vindicating to see and especially after he got robbed the other two years, you can make the argument both ways, but especially in hindsight. The Taylor Hall one is really bad with that. I remember the narratives in the moment and the hype around the Dettles and everything, but it felt more like people were being vindicated with Taylor Hall finally having a breakout that they wanted to reward that with something, but McKinnon's time's going to come. It's not a big deal kind of thing. I hate how that comes up in awards. By the way, vote for the guy who had the best season. And then the dry title one, I still, that one just irks me so badly because there is no discernible reason why dry title should have been classified as the most valuable player because McDavid missed like 12 games. Yeah. It wasn't even that long. The difference between McKinnon and rookie year Kale McCarra was like 40 points, and the next four was Andre Burakovsky. Again, love the guy. If he's your second leading scorer, you're in some deep trouble and the ads were really good that year because of McKinnon. But we can finally stop having this conversation because now McKinnon has won the heart. And I don't really know how it was much of an argument this year. 51 goals, 89 assists, 140 points, breaking the avalanches, all time points record, and nortiques record. And from start to finish, doing every single thing on the ice, if you watched hockey this year, genuinely watched every team, your ballot was set in February. And I love the argument after the second Tampa game that we lost where Kootra have had three points. It's like, oh, well, Kootra won this head to head. So that's the heart conversation right there. No, that's not really how that works. We're all three secondary assists, too. He had one goal where no one covered him. Oh, that's right. I forgot about that one. Completely wide open on the complete opposite side of the ice, but look how special this goal is like, brother, no one's there. No, it's a defensive breakdown there. But I'm just I'm just so happy we can finally stop talking about this, where the season ended two months ago, we had to ruminate with this the entire playoffs while dealing with far more important things. And it is very vindicating to see Nathan McKinnon finally come out on top, the first avalanche to win the heart since Joe Sackick and or since Peter Forsberg in 2003, but the first to win both since Sackick in 2001 when he won the 10th. Well, but yeah, Forsberg won it in 2003. And it's I'm just I'm so happy to be done with it. I'm so happy for McKinnon to finally get that recognition. And you brought up a good point on Twitter right after this where you start looking at the Hall of Fame ballot or Nathan McKinnon, he's 28. He's not going anywhere anytime soon, but you start to, you start to look at this thing here and you go, okay. So he's won a Stanley Cup. He's won an MVP. He's won a Ted Lindsey. He's had multiple hundred point seasons. Don't forget that lady bing. Don't forget the lady bing and there the guy's got the hardware. I don't think there's really much doubt Nathan McKinnon is a Hall of Famer. No, I mean, it's it's a serious question. You can ask. I mean, he still has probably three to four years of like super productive years ahead of him. I'd say more than that. It could be more, but if you're just looking at a normal human being, which Nathan McKinnon is not, let's just say three to four more years of 120 plus points is going to be well over a thousand. He's going to come close. I don't know if he's going to catch Sactic when it comes to the goals because Sactic had, I think it's six hundred and twenty six career goals, maybe six, sixteen. I can't remember off the top of my head. I think McKinnon just had his three hundred this year. So it's going to be close, but I think one thousand sixteen points points. How many goals did Sactic have? No, I'm looking at this wrong. Excuse me. Keep going. Yeah. Sactic had six hundred and twenty five. Nathan McKinnon's at three hundred and thirty five. So he's still going to get three hundred more goals. It's going to be close. It's going to be close. I still think like McKinnon without that, it's going to be a five hundred goal score. He's going to be. I'm sorry. I'm just looked. I looked up like the goals record and it showed me the assists first. Which why? Yeah, that's dumb. That's dumb. Surgeoned in anyway. Yeah. That's dumb. But worst case, he's five hundred career goals. He's going to be well over a thousand points. I think he's at like eight twenty right now. Is what McKinnon's at? McKinnon's at eight ninety nine. Oh, yeah. So he's going to hit a thousand points. Maybe as early as next year, like that's a hundred and one point. He's hitting points like he's going to do that. What else does he have to win to be a Hall of Famer and it's I really don't think it's a question of if it's just is he going to be able to challenge Joe Sactic as the greatest Colorado. I've lunchable time. Yeah. Even then does it really matter like it's going to be an interesting conversation. But at the end of the day, it's one, two. Sactic McKinnon and probably by the time their careers are done, it's just going to be up to preference. I don't think McKinnon will ever match the impact that Joe's has had on the avalanche because, you know, he kind of took over the team, led into another Stanley Cup and it's like the benchmark for success. But if we're talking purely player, I think it's a very interesting conversation. And the funny part is, is they could both be behind Kilmer Kerr at the end. Who knows? You just never know. So I just think these were like the last two notches on his belt to guarantee a Hall of Fame career. And I think I don't think it's going to happen. But if McKinnon retired after next year and he hit a thousand points and you look at all this hardware, he's a Hall of Fame, it's not even a question, he's a Hall of Fame. He's going in the Raptors, probably going to have a statue outside ball arena. I don't know, I don't know because if Sactic doesn't have one, I don't know if anyone's going to get one. Still get one eventually, I imagine. I think they'll get a one. I think there is going to be a time where right now we are in the renaissance of Colorado or specifically at ball arena, just in that one particular circle. Everywhere else is, you know, we'll figure it out later, but yes. Right now at ball arena in particular, the Nuggets are very recent champions. The Avalanche are very recent champions, they jokeage and McKinnon win MVP in the same years. I think there's going to be a time where we start to really build up our history in front of ball arena. I think they're going to commemorate Sactic a lot more, probably might have something to do with Sactic still being there. He might be like, no, don't do that. I will. Yeah, that could be something. I work here. I don't want to walk past my statue. What's up, dude? Yep. That's, that's me. Anyone want the picture in front of the me statue outside? It's given high five. See what it is. He's walking into the building every day. I, if I, if I, if I had a statue, I'm visiting that thing every, I'm, I'm, I'm, I say, oh, there'll be like, yeah, that's me. Oh, yeah. I do, I do anything ever. And I'm like, yep, I did that. But Joe Sactic is a way better man than me. Where you guys want to have the meeting today? Oh, by my statue? No. No, there's a statue of me out front. That's where we'll have the meeting. Yeah. Actually, if I show you guys that one before, that's me. They built that. That's me. That's actually made of pure gold. In fact, I requested that in particular, but. That's me. Yeah, I'm killing Christian and making him watch. Yeah. No, it's, I do think there needs to be statues, but it's just weird that they haven't made some already. Um, but like you said, this is the first time I forget what the tweet was, but since Wayne Gretzky and Magic Johnson, that a city can say they have the MVP in both the NHL and the NBA. So that's pretty cool. Like that's special. We're, we're existing in a pretty special time of Colorado sports where the avalanche won two years ago, almost two years ago yesterday by the time we were recording this happy two year anniversary and the nuggets one last year and yes, they both bowed out on the second round this year. I feel reasonably confident at least one of them is going to win one more, if not both of them. I'd say it's probably 50/50 they both win another championship in the next five years, which crazy thing to say at any point in any franchise's existence is you could say 50/50 they're going to win a title in the next couple of years because that's an insane number, a coin flip. And yeah, McKinnon at very least rafters first ballot Hall of Fame statues. If he wants to kill them, I mean, there's good, I don't know if there's enough room for the statues. Yeah, there's really, there's always so much space. People can walk in front of, you know, and that's why I think they aren't any statues. Like the only statue there is the giant Rocky one. Like that's it. Rocky has a statue out front nuggets mascot, but like, I just, it is crazy to, we're going to look back on this in like 20, 30 years and the abs nuggets will have cycled through probably being bad again. And you'll see remember like, remember when we had McKinnon and yokech just dominating every other night in ballerina? And then we all had Kilmer car. Kilmer car. Oh, Amiko Rancin was pretty damn good too. Hey, that's a hot topic right now for some people. Crazy, but it's, it does feel like I can't imagine how McKinnon feels that he gets this weight off his shoulders because that's really the only thing you could say about him that he hasn't done the NHL as he hasn't won an MVP. But also I think if you were to tell him like, Hey, you're going to want to stay on the cup before you win an MVP. I think it'd be like, yeah, I'll take that at that time. So like ask Conor McDavid, how he feels about his, like, what does he have three hearts, four hearts? Yeah, he's got the three hearts. Ask him out. He feels about his Tom Smith. Yeah, like he would trade it all for that big piece of silver that McKinnon has. So good for Nathan McKinnon. It's a bummer that this year was, I wouldn't say like it was a wasted opportunity. You got a McKinnon opportunity, but it also felt like an earned result. Yeah. By this, it would have been nice, obviously, to see them go further with a nice not to lose to Dallas. But let's be very real with ourselves here. Once Val goes out, you're not winning a cup. At that point, game four of the second rounds, like there's, that's, there's no way. Once that happened and Taves was out, you're just like, if we just show up for this game, I'll be impressed. And they didn't show up for the game. And they didn't. Yeah. All you have to do is show up and they didn't. But even still, even if they were healthy and everything did go fine, I think they would have beaten Edmonton. I will go to my, I will die on the hill that they still would have beaten the Oilers. I don't think they're beaten the Panthers. It would have been nice to go to another Stanley Cup final. But if we were in that situation that the Oilers were just in one goal short, I would be inconsolable right now. So it's one of those things. It's the age old question, like, would you rather lose in the cup final or lose before the cup final? I'm going to take losing in the cup, or losing before the cup final every single time. If you, every single time, if you can't win the cup, I think the most honorable death is the conference final. Yes. And you win two rounds. You're a final four team. Ah, we ran out of gas. Because like Dallas, I feel like people are like, they're, Dallas, I was disappointed that they didn't win, but we ran out of gas, you know, we'll get, we'll get them next time kind of thing. Like it's easy to still sell fans on that. Only one, only one team wins every year. We were in the final four and we were the final four of the year before, like it gets old eventually, but it's an easier sell than first or second round. Agreed, but I am 100 like, if I'm an Euler's fan, I'm not getting over this for at least 10 to 15 years. You're one goal away from tying the series or tying the game to go in over time in game seven. And you were dominating the Panthers in the third period. You dominated that third beer, granted McDavid and Drycidal played 12 minutes of that third period, but you dominated it and to come up one goal short after being down three oh in the series. That is the most painful loss ever. And we saw it happen twice to Canadian teams. The Maple Leafs come back from three one down, which you knew they were going to do. And they lose to the Bruins in seven. And then you have this to you like, there is no painful loss, more painful loss than what the Euler's fans just went through right now. I low key feel kind of bad for I do. And I hate the Euler's speak for yourself, I'd say, but you know, even still, I agree with the sentiment at the very least, that game seven, it's a low scoring game that that one's going into the history books I said at the beginning of the series were due for a classic that series was a classic. It didn't look like it was going to be after three games. Was that the best Stanley Cup final we've seen in our lifetime? Well, I remember 2001 the abs and devils that will always be the best one, just because it was seven. Those games were incredibly tight. I'm thinking post lock out though, post lock out. That Bruins Black Hawk series was really good. It was really good. It went six. I'd say the second Red Wings Penguin series is probably second, I'd say that's pretty up there. Yeah, that was a good one. That was a seven maxing Talbot. Yeah. I mean, abs lightning, I thought was a, I'd say that's top five. Yeah. Every game outside of two of them were really good. It was a very good series. Yeah, you had three games go to overtime, two games go to overtime and multiple one goal games. It was a fantastic series. Yeah. I mean, I think this one's up there. It's probably one and you can make an argument about the rest, but this series after three games looked like it was going to be the worst Stanley Cup final of all time. And it delivered like credit to the Oilers, man, I thought they were going to do it. I really thought they were going to come back. I wasn't just saying that last episode for a jinx. I genuinely believe the Oilers were going to win that game. So did I. Like I thought they were going to win that shit and the Panthers got goals from their big guys and I mean, for Haggie gets one and Reinhardt gets the other. And if we're being honest, man, if we're being honest, McDavid and Dreyseidel did not show up in game seven. Yeah. They showed up that entire series. I said, it'll have no goals. Yeah. Like that. If you're an Oilers fan, that's a part that's even more frustrating. You got everything and more from the depth guys, the depth guys kept them in the series. Your top guys let you down, which is something I don't think anyone would have said going into the series would be the reason why the Oilers lose the Oilers lost because their top guys didn't produce enough. Yeah. I mean, the Panthers scored the first goal of game seven, that beautiful setup by Iran for the heart of her Haggie deflection. And then Mateus Yanmark scores on a breakaway two minutes later on a beautiful pass by Cody CCC and they kill all the momentum in that game and they get it all back. It looks like we're in for a classic. If you just get something from McDavid or Dreyseidel, one amazing play, you just might win the Stanley Cup. I don't have a problem with McDavid winning the cons smith because it is playoff MVP. I think that is hard to argue, but he got held pointless in game six and seven. And my thoughts on a guy on the losing team winning the cons smith, I think are the same as a guy who misses the playoffs winning MVP for the regular season. I think it should be allowed. But I think the argument has to be so unbelievably rock solid that it should almost be unanimous, which I guess it kind of was for McDavid. It was. Yeah, it was pretty much. It's a hard sell for me when he doesn't have a point in game six and they win game six. Okay. That's fine. The second the clamps go back on in six and especially in game seven, he can't break through and six minutes left in the third period. The Oilers are pushing. They've been pushing all period. The Panthers are just desperately trying to hold on to this lead. He has the moment. He has the moment on his stick right in front of the net. Yeah, it's a tough play. Okay. Pucks bouncing. You're Conor McDavid. It's game seven of the Stanley Cup final. You need to be able to do this in this moment and he didn't miss it. It's a tough sell for me. Yeah, he had 41 points and I was 44 43 44 what I'm certain amount of points to be having in the playoffs, like going toe to toe with Lemuel and Gretzky, which makes it hard to argue with the cons smith. My problem is that barcop did not get one first place vote. Yeah. I agree with your sentiment. That's like it shouldn't be just the winning team has the cons smith. But to say this was a unanimous thing for McDavid is crazy to me. It technically wasn't. Bobbowski got one, which I still disagree with and it doesn't help. You can't make the game like I'm not saying that McDavid shouldn't have won it because if you look at game seven, Bobbowski was great in game seven, but games four, five and six, he was terrible. He's a percentage went down in the Stanley the final after having a shutout and only giving up one in game two. And bark off while he was great all series defensively, offensively, did he do? I mean, game six, he was great game seven. He didn't have to be great. He just played great. Say he was pretty great in game seven. He was great, but it was just. I don't think anyone else deserved it, but for McDavid, but to say it was unanimous is just tough man. I guess we're talking playoff MVP and you go through the Panthers playoff run where Nikita Kuchrov held essentially pointless at five on five and they go to the second round posture knock and all the top guys barcups matched up with struggle immensely at five on five big part of the Rangers series, Zabana, Jad, Kreider, Panerin, nothing at five on five or on the power play even. And then there were definitely times in the final where McDavid and Dry said are going up against bar top and they can't do anything. Anything you don't disagree with McDavid winning it. Bar Cobb should have gotten a lot more love for it. A lot. That's the part that hurts me. Like I still think McDavid should have wanted like he was the playoff MVP. But to say he did it unanimously is ludicrous, like that's crazy to me. That is crazy. Like he lost and you'll look back on it and you'll be like, oh, like, oh, McDavid was the first player since JST Garrett to win the cons might despite losing and they'll show game seven. They'll show that open that he missed. That's my last memory of Conor McDavid. Here's the thing. I think it's going to age well. I think McDavid win the cons might skin to age well because people are going to forget what Bar Cobb did because it doesn't always show up on sports sheets. You're going to look at the points you're going to they're going to show most playoff points in a single run in McDavid's going to be up there and like, okay, he won the cons might think in 15, 20 years, we're going to just look at it and be like, yeah, that makes sense. Bar Cobb does so many things that yeah, his point totals don't jump off the page. He was still point per game. I see some people point to his minus one, which are we really, truly genuinely just list off the players that he matched up against again in these playoffs. If you present a minus one to me as in any sort of argument for anything, I am hitting you in the notes. That is so unbelievably relevant that I can't even believe I brought it up at all. He shut down Nikita Kuchroff second place and heart trophy second place. Just want to make sure we make sure that second place run around 144 points. David Posternock 100 plus point score. Meek is a Benajeg Chris Crider who had been terrorizing teams in these playoffs. And then Conor McDavid who did go kind of crazy, but holding McDavid to like 1.25 points per game is kind of a successful night. I mean, they gave it had back to back four point nights. That's eight points right there. Never been done. There were several games where he was pretty clamped for the most. And again, don't disagree with it. But I think we got a little lost in it at the same time. I think a lot of people decided before a game six and I don't know that that to me just didn't seem right didn't seem right. But also it's just like you look at the panthers were just so good top to bottom. They didn't need a guy who went nuclear these playoffs like they were the best team just to subtly transition to the Panthers went in the cup here. They were the best team pretty much all year outside of like a couple stretches in the regular season where they just looked okay. They were the best team. They were the best constructed team. They got huge boons from a ton of got Sam Reinhardt. Has anyone made more money this season than Sam Reinhardt plus 50 goals this year scores the Stanley Cup winning goal and still has yet to sign whatever that contract is going to be. If he signs for less than 10, he's taking mercy on others with the season that he just had and Bobrovsky doing all the great things that he did this season as a Vesna finalist and yeah he had some down games in the playoffs but they don't win the cup without that guy being as good as he was he definitely had his moments and the Florida Panthers in general where I've brought this up a couple of times as recently as like six years ago five years ago even were neck and neck with the coyotes and relocation talks or this stuff does not work in sunrise Florida their arena is not even close to Miami no one goes to these games the Panthers they don't have any fans they should be a shining example of when you bring in people that are passionate and know what the fuck they're doing talent and they bring in Zito to run this team hockey can work anywhere you can build a successful team in any market money in the NHL at least is really not that much of an excuse when the Rangers haven't won in forever the Leafs haven't won in forever a Canadian team hasn't won in 30 years we're like yeah 30 now right again another game seven loss sorry can't imagine what that's like you straight years baby you are saying the funniest thing ever that Florida has won three since the turn of the text yes this state of Florida which has two teams the warmest teams in the NHL and the entire country of Canada seven entire teams has not been able to eke out one in 30 years that's just really funny but back to the overall point of the Florida Panthers they've paid their dues for a long time a long long time where they've been good since 21 before that this was the model of wow this fucking sucks what is their support here as a fan we're wasting Alex Barcov's career we're the laughing stock of the league there's no attendance our general managers a fucking idiot and we've had the longest playoff win drought in the NHL which was like back in the night when they went to the cup final against them what they hadn't won a series until 2022 and they missed the playoffs most years in that time they didn't make the playoffs again until 2012 they lost in the first round and then make the playoffs again in 2016 they lost in the first round then they didn't make the playoffs again until the qualifying round and lost in the qualifier then finally in 21 they make the playoffs is a real good team they've losing the first round at Tampa all teams then finally they beat the Capitals in 22 to move on then they get swept by Tampa in the next round and then the next year they barely squeaked into the playoffs and it's so weird that you can physically see the moment where the Panthers changed they're down 3-1 to Boston why would anyone think this team is going to come back they have no history of doing so they were fairly unlucky in hindsight in the regular season but in the moment they were in 96 point team that eked into the playoffs going up against the best regular season team of all time that Matthew Kachup goal I think is going to go down as the most underappreciated goal maybe in NHL history yeah we keep their season alive forget that even the Bobrowski save on Brad Marshan with a second left in regulation is probably going to go down as it was underappreciated play of all time that changed their history winning that series and then smoking the Leafs and then smoking the Hurricanes and yeah they ran out of gas in the next round just like that their identity completely changed and they mauled their way through this season get through the first three rounds without too much trouble like a little bit every here and there and there up three to nothing and man there is an alternate universe out there where the Florida Panthers are the biggest joke in the NHS where it's the perfect storyline because either way you're coming on here and it's just so painful for one team so painful and decidedly more for one team yes yes but if you want I don't like to do this a lot but there was an article I read on ESPN.com by Greg Wissinski who just kind of detailed the Panthers history and how this worked it's an amazing story to see where this franchise has come from like there was one point you mentioned in it where they when LeBron James signed with the Miami Heat they were offering season tickets you could get two seats for six dollars a piece for the entire season and no one was doing it and we say that now is like abs and cap. Oh my god I remember now one of my favorite when I used to listen to like the Steve Nagel podcast in high school and everything like that one of my favorite bits was the season ticket giveaways do you remember where they were like offering helicopter rides and all kinds of crazy shit just to get people to come to the fucking games oh it's and that was like five six years ago yeah you do that and then you go read the story and I forget who they hired the the ownership was like who gives a fuck about these promotions let's make the team good and winning will sell and it was kind of just like a ding ding ding like it's amazing what happens when you're winning people want to come watch winning teams that's how it works and you bring in a guy like Bill Zito who also just tells you about the Buffalo Sabers the Sabers interviewed up twice for GM and passed on them twice like the papers the king of catching strays Sam Ward Stanley Cup winning goal Brandon Bond tour with them Evan Rodriguez former saver oh no yeah last year Jack Eichol goal did you see that mean tweet I forget who tweeted they were just like the Buffalo Sabers the greatest development team in the NHL that's just like that's me that's mean and probably it's true I think anyone has ever said there is a picture of like all five of them hugging after a goal in Sabers uniforms and they all go on and immediately win the moment they leave the organization it's crazy it's me incredible hope for Casey Middlestadt yes because just getting Buffalo cast offs is now the move that is the market in efficiency do you save people from the savers and they turn in a monsters and you go win things it's awesome I feel so bad and then did you see the even meaner part like Kyle Pozzo good for him wins a Stanley Cup also yeah yeah he wins a Stanley Cup he was the captain of the sabers earlier this year he does not score goal in a Panthers should form but he still wins the Stanley Cup and he gets a $500,000 bonus that's being paid for by who the Buffalo Sabers are paying them to win the Stanley Cup for another team that is crazy I didn't even consider that that's crazy wait so the sabers put in his contract that if he wins a cup he gets $500,000 yes and the sabers have to pay first of all palsy from the Buffalo savers but also that is hilarious that is how mad you think the Buffalo Sabers owner is when he has to write that check as if it's another thing right just if you just take it at this point like yeah here's another fucking cast off right every other goddamn mess that comes through this team like that's crazy and me and you both love the sabers like we want the sabers to be good what the evidence is there where you're just like this team's kind of cursed like they're just cursed like they can clearly draft good players they just can't do shit with them like they had a good team and they just can't do shit with it right and that team sucked it's not even like oh that team was like the old Panthers where there's always okay even if they don't make the playoffs they're like decent enough that those teams sucked they never even came close and they had this collection of talent they cast them off and they all explode everywhere else it's insane the amount of strays the Buffalo savers get but at certain points not coincidence anymore it's it's the problem is you it's not every other person every coach every G you are the problem not to turn this into a sabers roast but getting back basically as the Florida Panthers were made by the Buffalo savers but it's not even a question like the best players played for the Buffalo savers it's it sucks but that's the truth but overall man like that game 7 kicked so much ass the Panthers deserved to win the cup after what they did this regular season they were one of the most dominant teams in the NHL all year long they win the Stanley Cup and that team's gonna be very interesting next year because they have a lot of on ufa's like a lot of already hearing rumors that eggblad is being shopped around and they won the cup like three days ago I wouldn't hate that because I thought that blab was kind of the reason this team sucked well then you know I'm glad they're recognizing it because I thought eggblad and these playoffs was not good in the final like he was rough this series and you have 4's lead to I think is better and younger right or the maybe the same age or actually the exact same age which is really funny yeah I'd still take 4's lead I'd still take 4's lead yeah I'm glad it's like a couple months older but it's it I'm I'm really happy for the Panthers mostly like me and you were very biased going into these cup finals because they have beaten just all of our least favorite teams oh so I just for that's like for the only one who's missing Minnesota yeah just Edmonton well let's be honest Minnesota's not getting anywhere close to a final ever exactly no it's not exactly a fair comparison but the the materials the Panthers had to work with like pretty much all my East teams the Rangers the lightning the Bruins can't fucking stand them taking out the Oilers and the final Canadian team just to extend that misery just a little farther honestly I fucking love the Panthers I know everyone hates them because they won and they're dirty I owe them I owe them a lot yeah I owe them a lot and they haven't gotten to that point yet were they annoy me I'm sure they'll get to a point where I'm like fuck these guys but right now I love them to death yeah because if the Avalanche are in the finals next year I'm not sure who else comes out of the East yet so I'm sure there's time for me to change my mind right so for the moment at least I am a very big Florida Panthers fan for what they just did in these playoffs very big Florida Panthers fan and just real quick before I move up this like let's talk about the Oilers real quick Ken Holland now no longer going to be a part of the team which sucks because that team's probably gonna get better now right as an Oilers hater this sucks what if they promote his son into the GM role that'd be great I will be so happy I hear the rel comes back the thing is I'm disappointed Ken Holland is leaving the Oilers because I think he is the main reason they don't have a cup at this point he's done an okay job but you have McDavid and dry side oh man you know it probably shouldn't be that hard to do this it's like McDavid and dress are making a shit ton of money either right you still even with signing Jack Campbell and darn owners to these awful Albatross contracts they still almost fell ass backwards into a Stanley cup so I'm terrified what a possible competent GM could do there I also know it's the Oilers and they don't do that there they don't hire people that know how to run hockey teams they hire hockey men that were good maybe back in 20 years ago so I still have my hopes up that they're just not gonna hire a good general manager but yeah Ken Holland leaving them it was weird because you started to see that float around during the final for some reason you started to hear right after the final ended I want to I want to know if it was his decision or if his fate was just sealed the whole time I think it was sealed like he's not a good GM like they they almost like you said like backward asked their way into a Stanley cup championship because of Conor McDavid and Leon Dreyse idle exactly like the fact that Ken Holland's general manager completely destroys any doubt that McDavid didn't deserve the consummate that's true it's a good boy but again they had done theirs making nine million dollars over nine million dollars Cody CC just making a hair above three million dollars playing on the same pair and they still almost won that's crazy odd how is this guy allowed to run a team and how did they still almost win yeah and the other I heard I think was Frank sort of Ali talking about it they're buying out Campbell like they're gonna buy them out because they don't want to trade an asset for someone takes contract like what is there's three years left of this man like what else do you do that awful awful deal but that's so that's what he's leaving them with and they then whoever has to come and has to figure out what the hell they're gonna do with darn owners yeah it's like oh hey I'm gonna leave right when Dreyse all needs new contract and oh McDavid's the year right right when dry settles up for extension McDavid's extensions the year after that you all have fun with that I had my kick at the can this is your fucking mess to clean up now all you guys like it's kind of brutal but um Conor McDavid I hated it because I I don't want to hate the guy I don't want to hate Conor McDavid but there's just something about him I just fucking hate the guy I don't think it's just a natural born rivalry I just like him and Lee on dry side of both I just hate both their fucking guts and I don't hate David I don't like dry subtle dry settle pisses me I think I get what you're saying way more with dry settle than I do with McDavid McDavid is just he's chicken nuggets he's cheese pizza he's boring he works but he's boring just this there's nothing else really to him he plays hockey he's the best at it there's nothing else to the guy I don't think there's a mean spirited bone in his body cuz I don't think there is an emotional bone his entire body dry settle is a bitch the guy's a fucking baby so whatever I just don't like there's something about him and I'm like I like watched him at the end like when he lost and I was just like I don't want to feel bad for you cuz I kind of hate you but I feel bad for you like this sucks but at the same time I hate your fucking guts like I just hate you I will say I think the conversation about him not going out to accept the consmith oh I think a hundred percent the right decision not to do that why the fuck would he do that 100% thing I love that that's amazing I would like to be even more like they're asking him in the press conference and you know all he wants to say like what do you think about when I'll consmith all he wanted to say was I don't give a fuck about it but his brain went like it's still a prestigious award I can't say that he goes it's an honor but yeah like what do you want me to say like you're handing out the consmith to the losing team on the other team's home ice really you really expected him after losing game seven by one goal where he'd love that chance with six minutes left he's gonna go out there and shake Gary Bedman's hand and carry that thing to the locker I doubt that thing made it to the locker he'd probably try to throw it in the fucking trash like I just love that response from where he's just goes all he wanted to say was I don't give a fuck about the cons he probably wanted to throw the microphone in with that question and he just goes I can't say that because that's a PR nightmare and the NHL will kill me it's an honor but yeah like that's just the perfect answer leave me alone what I don't know why we would expect the losing team to go out and accept the cons smith the fact that they had jaguar do it in 2003 that was me the yeah and it's it's in New Jersey as well you can see in hindsight he was like yeah really wish I didn't do that it's just me it's a mean thing because these guys when they're growing up the only thing they want to do is win a Stanley Cup that's all hockey players but I was winning a Stanley Cup okay and you're I'm just picturing the flight back to Edmonton and everyone's just like looking down and all quiet and there's just like a cons smith oh I'd be so pissed and everyone's just like trying to ignore it but it's just it's too bulky you can't put it in the overhead you can't put it under the seeds it's too bulky to carry on someone's lap so they just have to have like someone up front just like holding on to it and you know people are looking at that thing like fuck this shit bro this bullshit like I I completely like I respect McDade been more for not going out there like I there's no chance I'm going out there to accept that trophy zero percent chance because I'm a lunatic when it comes to being competitive these guys are even more of a lunatic than I am when it comes to being competitive so holy shit that was just a great Stanley Cup final it also made me I just before we move off of game seven and move on to Casey Milstad it made me appreciate watching that third period just how dominant the abstract period was against the lightning in game six because the Panthers tried to lose that game they tried they tried their best they probably should have honestly yes like they should have won a game should have minimum gone to OT minimum I think we were robbed of an overtime and a real real genuine historic classic but the Oilers couldn't finish the Panthers I get they went into the shell the abs did the same thing when they were up in the third period the abs just did it way that way the Panthers were playing with fire the way the abs did it was they gave up one chance to Kucharov I think with the one time for that that Kemper stopped that was it there were two chances it was Kucharov had that and then Nick Paul off a face off with the net pole had a chance yeah but like face off like that's not a play he lost a face off kind of thing and then like the one to Kucharov that was right in the Kemper chest outside of that there was nothing the panther there were several moments where the Panthers were I with like eight minutes left I was convinced the Oilers were tying the game we were texting me like this game's going overtime and you were like I had to be up in four hours I had to be on a flight at five in the morning so I first of all for that reason alone I was convinced the game was going overtime I was actually shocked it didn't go to overtime I was like wow isn't that nice for once once I luck out for once I luck out I'm still not getting any sleep but not that's not the NHL's fault anymore and yeah I couldn't believe the others didn't tie that game and to your point it really makes you appreciate how good that third period was from the Avalanche in 2020 because that's the thing man in that we should have had our stomach in the knots that entire third period for the abs that period was just like all right cool like where just nothing's happening it's all in the lightning zone right now this is great because like yeah we're still freaking out and nervous because it's the third period of the Stanley Cup final what if something stupid happens but they played genuinely so perfectly and the craziest part like the most anxious parts were when Gabriel landscape loses escape lane it's like well that's fucked what are you gonna do about that like they can't have everything go your way hey everybody hope you've been enjoying this episode so far interrupting to bring you a word from our sponsor at draft king sportsbook we are this 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both of us were a little surprised to hear with kacie milstadt signing his his bridge deal three years 5.75 yep like I think it's a fair contract uh it's a little bit more I was hoping five five but five seven five not bad it's like we're talking the difference of two hundred and fifty thousand yeah like if it's if it's not even a league minimum player it doesn't bother me yeah so overall really happy they got this done before free agency starts so now you just don't even have to worry about it and I'm really excited to see what kacie milstadt can do in these three years because if he plays up to his potential and he's like 75 points in a couple of years uh he's gonna get paid a lot of money a lot of money when he turns 28 like he's gonna get paid yeah and I think it's a deal that just makes perfect sense for both I think this is for in spirit essentially what we predicted I whenever I was building teams trying to see what the abs can do is off season I always had middle stat at 5.5 which I think some people thought was high but that's just the going rate for second pine center at this age for for three years and 5.75 through the the two thousand and twenty seven season and there's a 19 no trade clause in the final year of the deal and they buy one year of unrestricted free agency so middle stat when he's 28 will hit the open market it just makes sense man I mean yeah if you want to lock up every guy to eight years but that didn't make any sense in this situation to do because you only had middle stat for half a year there's still things he has to prove I love kacie milstadt I loved his game when he got here I loved his game in the playoffs for the most part he still has to do it again he can't just go handing out here's seven million dollars for eight years and not at this point the window you still have to save some money when you can and try to win in these three years with middle stat hopefully producing at around 60 points this season if he gets the 60 points all three years I'll be like this was a successful contract it's a it's a successful contract it makes sense to bridge it gives kacie the opportunity to absolutely ball out in colorado for three years and get himself a massive bag hopefully with the abs maybe not if you're asking me right now before any games have even taken place in the contract I'd say probably not but a lot changes in three years maybe kacie milstadt leaves you no choice but to sign him because he's just that good and maybe you're just like yeah thank you for your service we'll make seven million dollars somewhere else yeah go go make seven million dollars in Calgary when they're finally done being bad again but for what the avalanche are right now I think he fits them perfectly I think just you saw him get here and immediately click whereas just the way he plays the game he's not super fast he's not super flashy but he's so sturdy he's so solid with the puck and he's so smart where that he knows what to do at all times and there came a little low late in the regular season where it seemed like he got out of his groove a little bit then he get to the playoffs wasn't perfect in the playoffs I wouldn't think but he definitely still performs to my expectations for what I expected out of kacie middle stat in his first year with the team so I think you give him a training camp with the team you give him a full season with the team and I think there is another level to kacie middle stats game that can be unlocked here I think there's another level to his offense I think you go back to his comments last year about when he came to Colorado and how different it was than Buffalo how hard they worked here I think there will be a big benefit to instilling that from training camp right from day one he's he's with this team this whole offseason they're training programs conditioning before we even get to training camp they're gonna instill some things in him and I think kacie middle stat for 5.75 million dollars for what I think is a perfect second line center for this team I think that's just a really good deal yeah I wish I wish it was for longer but that just doesn't make sense in this instance not really for either side like it's I'm excited to see how it goes I think he's going to have a really good opportunity I do think he's more skilled than like a J.T. comfort was and J.T. hundred percent a hundred J.T. comfort got 60 points so I do think you can be like okay with who he's going to be playing with middle stat I think minimum expectations for more 60 points randomly and you have to consider that casey most of kacie middle stats play as an even strength all the points that he picked up in Buffalo and most of what he picked up in Colorado were at even strength yeah that kind of value you can't just look at pure points and be like oh he's not a point per game kind of guy when he won if you think about it too now with Val being out for minimum till November he's probably going to slot into that first power plate unit right and again you look deeper into a lot of his five on five numbers and they're remarkably consistent where he his points per 60 at even strength are about like 2.13 last season they were 2.26 if you're getting that exact same production next year from a second line center and you don't have to worry about it the same way you did with Ryan Johansson you're going to be fine you're going to be absolutely fine who's to say he doesn't get more power play time if he gets if he gets power play time on top of this and produces word 60 is not really going to be a problem at that point where I'm saying I think 60 is the minimum for like that that's what I need to see minimum right and let's also not forget in Buffalo their power play sucks yeah which we saw immediately with Bob Iram when he got there and tried to quarterback on the power play the way the abs do it and they were all looking around like we don't do that what are you doing about we don't do that here and you give Casey middle stat even if he's on the second power play and that's 45 30 seconds put him in the abs power play there's going to be more opportunities for him to score and here's the thing even if Casey middle stat is exactly the same as the Casey middle stat we saw in the regular scene then in the playoffs I'm really not all that worried no yeah there's there's more to that is that a 5.75 million not really but even still that's productive player that's a guy who does a lot of things right for you guy who doesn't make a lot of stupid plays and we've seen with the avalanche a lot as long as a guy is willing to just kind of work harder at his game they work out here and they will teach you things and instill better habits in you that make you a better hockey player and for a guy like Casey middle stat who is not young anymore he's 25 I think that's the age you immediately graduate from young player to you really got to start showing it now yes this is still the age where they still have a lot to teach him again it cannot be stated enough that he has spent his entire career in buffalo where they have a new coach every season and new players every season and there's all this turmoil and all this turnover and none of it ends with any sort of success Jared Badnar is going to be his coach again that can't be understated that level of continuity of knowing what to expect coming into a season he knows Nathan McKinnon is going to be leading the charge going into the season expectations and all those things they matter to people they matter to players they're creatures of habit so I think you give Casey middle stat a second chance on this team not that he even did bad in his first chance with the team but you give him another year to really meld with this organization and keep up his really strong even strength production and everything else on top of that I really like this contract and we'll see where we stand at the end of three years but I really don't have many concerns about it I don't either and I'm just laughing because I'm looking at instagram Nathan McKinnon just posted a picture from what the Ted Lindsay with with no caption no caption what else is there to say he wanted months ago yeah and the only thing he posted on his story was from his uh flinch hydration who sponsors him saying that if you use MVP 29 you get a 29% off coupon fucking love it just badass man that's my that's why I was laughing at because it's just he was forced to post this like he did I won I won the Ted Lindsay and the MVP is the most valuable player this season sponsored post yeah sponsored post that doesn't really like fucking give about it is on to next year don't care and that's where like like sorry like Casey Milestad is a great thing but do what they do in the NBA can you imagine if you would have gotten those trophies like before game three of the second round and the entire crowd is just losing their shit after he's done that like that would have been way better but sorry in NHL do that that's a lot better than the shit old tonight just send an email yeah like just do that do this shit with the award show and everything but getting back to to Casey Milestad as a whole where I think he's gonna be fine here it's just now the matter of the fact that this is done now gives you some more clarity on the rest of this offseason because I thought this was gonna be done in July I thought it was gonna be a lot I I was shocked when you texted me saying that this deal was done yeah and I thought it was an arbitration that whole thing kind of like Colton last year but now you have it done okay 5.75 okay so they have around 10 million dollars to work with and but you still have the Landeskog thing and the Tushkin thing holding over your head and the cap number does not include the Tushkin who right now does not count against the cap he does not count against the cap until he rejoins the lineup allegedly in November not going down that wormhole right now but as it stands right now when you look at the cap numbers you look at that 10 million dollars you have to account for the fact that it does not account for Tushkin and then there's also the Landeskog thing going into that so that's really more of like four million dollars which is not a lot no not a lot for what the abs have to do this offseason but it is better that you don't have to keep being like and uh 5.5 for Casey Middlestad I guess yeah I mean it's going to be tight we're getting really close on the Jonathan drew in timeline we're getting real close and uh the longer this goes the more I don't feel confident about it yeah I am when we're in yeah I'm worried and you had Nathan McKinnon saying after he won the awards day that Jonathan drew in is his favorite teammate ever Joe Sakek Chris McFarland please yeah I am begging you to get this done that is like the most poignant thing Nathan McKinnon can say like that's kind of low-key like concerning because he after that he said I understand it's a business but he had to get it in first that Jonathan Duran is his best friend like it's what's make this happen let's keep understanding Jonathan Duran's been here for one year yeah and like and he's saying that with Landeskog still around Randon and McCar like even Kogliano who he praised after his retirement in his Ted Lindsey acceptance today he said his exact quote from Megan Angley saying definitely my favorite teammate I've ever had if it's four million dollars for Jonathan Duran man I will fucking live with it yeah I will thought I will find a way to be fine with it because how on God's Green Earth can you have your heart winner Ted Lindsey winner 140 point score saying that and go yeah look with that extra $500,000 man that's just too rich for our blood sorry going enjoy Tampa or something I don't know Ottawa Ottawa right I don't think Jonathan Duran is ever going north of the border no I don't think so either but um I'm getting concerned I'm getting concerned and hopefully by the time we're recording which we don't know what the next day is we're recording I'm assuming Saturday Saturday Saturday because I'd like to record after the draft tomorrow I am on a flight during the draft I'm probably landing probably by the time the draft wraps up I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say I'm probably not gonna be in a good state to record so we're gonna go after day two of the draft just to get it out of the way now but back to the point so Saturday when we record again yes let's hope there's something done by then let's hope because if not the next time we're recording is Monday night which is the first day of free agency and if something is not done by then something is horribly wrong so well something will be done by then it just will probably be within the other team right that is what I mean by horribly wrong is that Jonathan Duran might not be an av anymore which uh I will hate a lot I make a lot of excuses for the management team I know I give them a lot of credit I don't think I can let that go if Jonathan Duran walks out the door you find a way to keep him I'm sorry find a way and there's more it seems to be growing I think Ross Colton's gonna get traded tomorrow I do so there's really getting to be some smoke around that fire they're really I think he's gonna get traded tomorrow I do you had you had Sarah Volley put him on the trade board and then you had Evan today I'm gonna get the exact person who tweeted out because I'm gonna pull up Evan's account but you had Evan retweeting the guy saying that Nashville would have a lot of interest in a guy like Ross Colton so that's a little more corroborating it so there's something out there there's something there and you brought it up I think it was the last episode if you flip Colton for Colton Scissons I wouldn't hate that I would I don't know how that trade would work I don't know why Nashville would do that agreed because Scissons is cheaper but I immediately when Evan retweets that and so here's the exact tweet from Nick Kaiser I assume that's how it's pronounced one name Friedman mentioned on one or two five the game which I think is a Nashville show he could be frequent is Ross Colton is an interest of the predators when looking at a depth piece Colton's no trade clause kicks in this season that's all it says said the predators would be interested in Colton which again is another report from Elliot Friedman talking about Ross Colton maybe we're reading too much into it but at a certain point when you have more than one insider talking about it it sounds like there is something there to it yes maybe it falls through maybe it doesn't happen because if it doesn't happen by July 1st I don't think it happens agree trying to find their options before that happens because it gets significantly harder to trade him after that point because he has no trade clause he can deny any move and you're not getting anything back at that point but I'm more convinced than I was last time best Colton might not be on this team in a couple days I'll say if he makes it to Sunday I think he's on the team yeah if he makes it to July 1st there's gonna have to be a massive plot twist for him to not be there anymore because again that that no trade clause is no joke then Ross Colton controls all the marbles he can kabosh any trade to anyone to be like nope I signed here and I want to stay here families here I don't want to move anymore and he can just be like no I don't want to move that's why this is in my contract so that'll be interesting but I think he's gonna get traded if you had to ask me right now I think we'll wake up Friday or Saturday morning to Ross Colton mean traded and probably not a great return for it I think it'll just be a cap space thing I mean and if it's to Nashville again my first instinct when the Colton rumors even happened was Colton's citizens in Nashville and now he's getting tied to Nashville my brain is going to make the jump that somehow Colton citizens ends up as an have I am not an insider this is just my speculation but cheaper third line center shorter term that sounds like something the abs would be looking to do I don't think this is a simple deal I will say that if Ross Colton is traded I think there's gonna be parts where it's not just gonna be Ross Colton for a sixth round pick and maybe I'm wrong but it sounds to me like there's gonna be some complication here because that's just what the abs do are there their trades are very rarely ever super simple yes one that they though their best moves are the ones there's like what the fuck are you even talking about here what are these words even mean it's gonna be tough but I don't want Ross Colton to go but kind of sounds like he's going just based off the tea leaves maybe the abs are just putting up a smokescreen because I haven't heard anything about Josh Manson getting moved and that was the guy I thought they were gonna move was Josh Manson and and maybe they just really value Josh Manson a lot where it's maybe they trust their ability to replace Ross Colton more than they trust their ability to replace Josh Manson because defenseman are hard to find and centers are valuable and hard to find too but a solid right-handed defenseman for 4.5 is it expensive yeah but if you trust the guy like his defenses do you've seen a lot of forwards move so far in this short off season a lot of D guys are getting extended already where you had Dylan DiMello extend already in Winnipeg sounds like Slavin's going to get extended here in a minute where like the buyers just got one the other connects defenseman who put Philip Hornet chick Aaronic yeah he got where I mean maybe the apps could have gotten in on Jake Wollman if Steve Alterman called any other team than San Jose before just throwing a second round pick and the Jake Wollman out the door for some reason we'll talk more about that in a second I want to finish this conversation but just overall to the point it's hard to find good defenseman and you might be able to find a decent cheaper third line center either in this same trade a trade with another team or in free agency yeah no one it's I think the way I look at it is when we got Ross Colton last year there was envisions and hope that he could be a second line center there was hope and that he got paid right and he got paid to be that hopefully it became pretty clear he's a third line he's the bottom six forward which isn't a bad thing it isn't a bad thing but the apps need a second line center they went and got Casey Milstad you can't spend what is it because McKinney makes what 12 million 12.5 middle stat now making 5.75 and then making 4.25 that's too much money to spend on your three centers it's just too much yeah I really like Ross Colton the player I don't want him to go but that that kind of spending I don't know if that's sustainable now especially you look at what Casey Milstad just got and now the the equation becomes a lot harder to justify where I don't think it's the end of the world if Ross Colton is on this team next year but something has to be sacrificed somewhere on this team something has to be sacrificed whether that's Jonathan Drew and just not coming back whether that is Ross Colton whether that is Josh Manson a valuable part of your team is not going to be here next year so what is going to be easier to replace I don't know if you can really replace Jonathan Drew and maybe on paper you can Jonathan Drew and matters and if nothing else he matters to Nathan McKinnon who is very important to keep happy I think there's it would be a different thing if Jonathan Drew and sought but he does Jonathan Drew is very good and was very good on this team and also just so happens to be Nathan McKinnon's favorite teammate ever okay Josh Manson okay I Josh Manson has downsides to him he's got upsides to him as well but he he has his moments where he can be a very frustrating player but he also does bring something to this team the avalanche's defense is very mobile and puck moving Kale McCar Sam Gerard Devon Taze does that as well Josh Manson brings I think physicality that you do need on your defense you do need some physicality you do need someone who can chuck the body around but they also do need to be good which I think where a lot of teams trip themselves up as they just look at the guy hitting and ignore if he's not good at his job Josh Manson is good at his job and can keep up with the abs defense and play very well you're already starting to see the D market dry up and we haven't even gotten a free agency yet are you going to be able to get a guy who can replace Josh Manson even close to Josh Manson for cheaper than four and a half million dollars I think that's a tough arrest than replacing Colton honestly I think it is possible to find a solid third line center for under four million dollars who can at least be close to Colton because it's not about getting another Colton it's about being close because you have to fill out the rest of your roster and if you save a million bucks a million and a half you can spend that money on your fourth line and fill out a deeper team is the guy you're getting to replace Colton in a potential trade going to be as good as Colton honestly I'd say probably not but that's you got to be able to fill out the rest of your roster right like it's really good to have three good centers it's really good but when the rest of the team isn't that great around them it's kind of a minute point right and money has to come from somewhere within a salary cap world these are just the decisions you have to make if it wasn't a salary cap world we're not having this conversation Jonathan Drewans already signed and you're keeping Ross Colton and you're doing this and you're doing that it's just not the reality you have to be able when you're in the window that the avalanche are you can't get super attached to guys and you can't get super be like but we just signed this contract last year trading it's gonna make us look stupid no you've got to be able to pinch every penny and fill out your depth as best you can otherwise you don't win otherwise you don't win otherwise you don't win and I think we're gonna be shocked because I think Anton Lindell is probably the best third line center in the NHL right now for the floor Panthers I wouldn't be shocked if he makes what Ross Colton makes and that's the best third line center in the NHL right four million dollars for a third line center is a lot and it made sense for what the avalanche's vision was last off season where Ryan and them also made four million dollars and they were gonna give Ryan Johansson more space by having Ross Colton where okay Ryan Johansson not a full second line center but he can partially be a second line center and so can Ross Colton okay let's try to work this up okay that didn't work at all Casey Middlestack can be a second line center but now we still have Ross Colton who were paying to be a to be kind of center where he's gonna be on the third line but he can go up to the top six he also is not very good on the penalty kill special teams is just not really his thing he does things well on this team but for four million dollars are we spending our money as wisely as we can and I think that's much less of a conversation with Josh Manson where it's making a little too much money yeah okay sure four and a half million dollars for Josh Manson okay that's a little much if they were able to find a way to replace that and still be able to bring the things that Josh Manson can bring I think we'd be having that conversation too but the overall point is I think you are able to replace Ross Colton much easier than you can Josh Manson and maybe they do both but I think having thought about this for a couple of days now it makes sense why Colton is the name you're hearing yeah it does and I want to preface this neither of us think Ross Colton is a bad player I love Ross Colton I think he was great the roaring 20's line was a huge highlight of the season but it's a luxury you can't afford right now you can't afford a third line center making four million dollars you just can't you just can't like the more I talk about the more it makes sense that Ross Colton is going to get traded but it's just my thought because again there's just not a lot of other options especially on your offense that would make a difference because I know I've seen the miles wood truthers being like to this contract sucks five more years at two and a half okay sure for a guy whose maximum is the third line okay but two and a half isn't really solving anything no that gets you another miles wood right it gets you okay you get a cheaper miles wood for 1.5 okay that that's Brandon Duhame sure whatever you place wood with Duhame but the four million dollars does make a difference if you can shave a million a million and a half on that and be able to bring back Brandon Duhame at all kind of thing to be able to bring back more guys to your death maybe even sign a better sixth defenseman than Jack Johnson to be able to round out your defense a little better you're not saying I think this is my thing this entire offseason has been something is going to have to be sacrificed this is I think the best way to mitigate that without having to sacrifice Jonathan Druett without having to sacrifice Josh Manson and get nothing in return where you can sacrifice Ross Colton and be able to make up the difference easier than you would with any of these other guys yeah agree agree oh yeah well it is just official eight years sixty two million previously sorrows under six I thought I thought you were just gonna say Ross Colton got traded okay that would have been crazy but yeah predators agreed terms eight-year extension with you see sorrows sixty two million wow so I mean I that's a good contracts for Nashville I got to be honest I don't hate that for them at all I don't either but we talked about Cogley I'm not retiring right yeah though we let off okay good good my brain's all scrambled I'm all over the place right now literally all over the place I'm in a different part of the country yeah like our I don't even know how long this episode's been going on it could be two hours it could be an hour I think it's like an hour 10 at this point yeah I have no idea I've just been there's so much that's been going on real quick let's talk about Steve Iserman the Iser plan everyone thinking he's the great GM ever he's a good GM he built Tampa Bay but what he's doing in Detroit is just kind of stupid he's built a team that is good enough to be in the playoff discussion they are nowhere close to wait to see on the cover nowhere close he's had a very strange run recently and this Jake Wollman trade it is just baffling yeah I really don't understand what happened here where for those of you don't know Jake Wollman is now a member of the San Jose Sharks who have been the most active team this offseason so far and they're about to draft celebrating by the time you're listening to this and they get Jake Wollman from the Detroit Red Wings for future considerations and they also get a second round pick in this year's draft on top of that which really doesn't make any sense because Jake Wollman is not bad now if this was Ben Sherat maybe this makes sense yeah sure okay Jake Wollman he had a down year but he's still a solid defenseman like he's still a NHL college defense like in 3.4 million dollars is not that bad no not that bad and again you look at what happened in this trade and then you see another trade that happened the next night with the Blackhawks and the Canucks where the Canucks are clearing cap space they traded Ilya McKayov and Sam Lafferty for end of 2027 second round pick but they also get a fourth round pick in return so there's still something there for them and then it comes out that this the Red Wings didn't really shop Wollman at all in fact if they just wanted to get rid of Wollman like this they could have put him on waivers because you know who's first in waiver order the same way they got Barkley Goodro so why did this happen especially reports that other teams would have happily given up something there's a report from Sean Shapiro who wrote something breaking all of this down and there's a paragraph in here that says the other puzzling thing is that Eiserman apparently didn't shop Wollman around a ton based off of some of my conversations and reading reports from others there were multiple teams that would have been interested in actually trading something for Wollman and they go down to say if the Red Wings were truly desperate to get rid of Wollman they could have kept the second round pick and simply waved him the Sharks I know for a fact would have claimed him on waivers since they are first in the waiver order like they did with Barkley Goodro in fact I've heard San Jose was happily stunned when Eiserman didn't ask for a return and offered a second round pick as a sweetener so that doesn't sound like very good GM work no really that sounds like a fucking nightmare sounds like a guy who's trying to get fired it's like it's not bad enough to get fired because it's Jake Wollman like it's a decent defenseman but like what are you doing here they rushed it like this team was nowhere close like they just want to make the playoffs like that that'll be successful to make the playoffs I mean you have Morit Sider who's good Lucas Raymond's good Dylan Larkin's good like they have a lot of good players they don't have a great player it's just so weird that after the amount of years that the Red Wings were absolutely terrible just the worst team in the NHL they come out of it kind of having to build in free agency yes or they got good players in the draft don't get me wrong and they they got screwed by the draft lottery let's be honest they the lottery balls 100% win against them and we could be having a very different conversation if they just got a little luckier but it's just weird that now we're talking oh the Red Wings are in on Genssel and they're in on all these high profile free agents and they were last year as well we're now this is a team that has now completely rushed its own rebuild and is now trying to patch work together a Stanley Cup contender and yeah also doing things like this were Jake Wallman's a good player he's not a fantastic player but he's a good middle pair guy in the NHL who did things for them he really broke out after getting traded there from St. Louis and to give up a second round pick on top of that is some of the worst asset management I can remember right but I really don't have any justification for this okay he's clearing cap space what's with the pick also happy again you can get something for Wallman 3.4 is not that bad for a good defenseman I don't get it yeah I mean didn't they change the lottery rules because of Detroit I don't know if it was because of Detroit's was it it might have been because Detroit put up a stink about we're terrible why are we picking fourth but that sounds the fourth or what I thought was the year like they felt like seventh one year I think they just were genuinely were seventh but like it used like the abs got kale macar because the draft lottery would be first second and third and if you were the worst team and lost all three lotteries you'd pick fourth which worked for us you know sucks to be everybody else but I think the Red Wings got screwed by that a couple times but I think they picked cider they were just the seventh pick interesting but yeah just bad asset management and Steve Eiserman I think is a fine GM I think he really got like propped up thinking he was this like god tier GM even a blind squirrel can find a nut every once in a while and also doesn't Tampa just have a really good staff yeah you saw Breezewa come in there and it's like nothing changed right it's almost like it wasn't just one guy doing everything it's I think it's I mean this goes for every general manager in the sport all the moves get credit to the general manager as if there are not massive staffs that break these things down at length scouting staffs who watch every single game analytics team like this every move you ever see is like at least a 20 person job yes yes it's it's unfair to blame the GM but it's unfair to like give them all but you are the one signing off on the moves so it's part of the job is you get the blame yes but what are you gonna do what are you gonna do uh any other NHL news that we like need to squeeze into this episode I mean we can just kind of rapid fire them game seven of the Stanley Cup final Linus Omar gets traded in the pregame which I'm sure the NHL was not happy about but yeah that's kind of sucked he goes to Ottawa for uh first round pick the 25th overall pick Mark Castellick who was a fifth round pick in 2019 and Jonas Corpisalo at a million dollars retained this this one surprised me because it sucks for Boston yes I okay it's a weak return and also they're really doing Ottawa a favor by taking on Corpisalo right I know that Omar had what like a 15 team no trade clause which is weird that auto was not on it right that's an weirded me up yeah the return sucks for Boston that's just plain simple right that is a shitty return back for Boston for a guy who's two years removed from or a year removed from winning the Vessna a year removed from winning the Vessna um I don't like it for Boston I think they made the right decision going with sway men I think you could have gotten like a solid like middle six forward or top six defenseman in return for Linus Omar but instead you get a first round pick that could be in four years a good player for you yeah also might be nothing it's also a pick yeah their own pick which is really funny but that pick I think has been traded for to bring it I got traded for Bertuzzi I believe then I got traded for to bring it and now it's going back to Boston for Omar very funny like it's just I think it the senators are kind of the same boat that the red wings are I think they're a good team is Omar going to solve all the problems I don't know they could still trade chikrin and we're right back in the what the fuck is Ottawa doing um I think if they make the playoffs this trades a win for Ottawa yeah I think it's just a straight up win for Ottawa they gave up a pick in the late 20s uh prospect that I will just be honest I don't know who that is I'm not a prospect guy he was a fifth round pick maybe he's really good that's just not my cup of tea that's not my area of expertise and a goalie that they signed to a very ill-advised contract from the start wasn't the worst contract I've ever seen four times four but Corpusallo has struggled a lot in his career and was okay in LA after getting traded there and they immediately threw money at him it was never going to work it did not work he was an 890 they're retaining a quarter of it okay that doesn't make him better so I just don't get what ball 3 million is kind of expensive for a backup goalie right and it's still I'm sorry there are still four years left on that contract as they signed him to five years right out of the gate so I just don't really know what Boston is getting out of this and again we don't know what trades were offered out there I can't imagine they were that bad but again I'm not in on these trade calls so maybe this was the genuine best offer which is confusing for lina's olemark a guy who won the vesna last season for five million dollars yes he's an upcoming ufa and you have to work out an extension and yes he was not vesna form last year he was still a 915 in the game oh he wasn't a 937 dammit oh no he wasn't a 938 I guess but I don't know it's a weird trade because I see these awful returns and my the gut reaction is to blame the gms but my mind's starting to go to what's being offered if these are the deals that are being accepted because I imagine this is not the first time these people have had these conversations there's the rumor that omark squashed a trade to colorado with the trade deadline we don't know what that return would have been but we know the apps were looking for gold tending at the trade deadline there's reportedly they had a deal and olemark said no so they were shopping him at the trade deadline and apparent I guess they've been shopping him ever since they lost to florida and I just I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that this was the best package and again I don't know that but I don't know if that just seems weird right I don't even know what the apps would have had to give up to get olemark I imagine on and in was definitely part of that yeah we're sure probably one of their firsts probably either this year's or next year's which I know they traded to Philly but it might have been before the joints and trades yeah I mean I'm kind of glad they didn't do it because let's be honest like we don't like or no do you already have would have had to have been in that deal yeah yeah that I don't even think of that till now your your 100% would have had to have been in that deal yeah because that money wouldn't have made sense otherwise yeah I don't know I'm kind of glad we didn't do that though yeah I mean I'd love olemark on teams to solid goalie but yeah I mean your gift proved in the playoffs he was fine he's not the reason we didn't want to stand like up this year but it's not your original yeah overall just just a weird deal where I don't know why the Bruins would do this but also makes me ask the question like was that the best offer yeah what are people offering for me this olemark and why better kind of makes you wonder and then the fact that it breaks what 30 minutes before puck drop of game seven had to be fucking pissed about that that the olemark trade not only happens before game seven is during the pre-game like they're doing their stuff and they have to pivot to the liena's olemark trade into Ottawa I imagine they got some phone calls after that listen you're allowed to do that but we are also allowed to be mad at you for doing that because they do that like announce that trade after the Panthers have won the Stanley Cup well the thing is they didn't announce it I think it got leaked oh 100% got leaked I imagine this is again I don't know this this is my speculation I imagine they were gonna hold off until tomorrow some intern sitting in there text someone or whatever that this is happening because it didn't come from Friedman didn't come from Johnston I don't remember who it came from but it came from not one of the big insiders which to me says that was not intentional this got leaked agreed and then they have to announce it at that point yeah but very funny most the most NHL thing ever yeah like part like of course of course oh and we didn't even mention in game seven they missed the cup lift yeah that was pretty funny they missed barkov lifting the cup yeah oh because again let's remember the context here the whole fucking point is the cup everything we have ever talked about on this show is ultimately about winning the Stanley cup at the end of the day every move every dollar on the salary cap every single thing is all about winning the cup and hoisting the trophy it all comes down to at the end of the year a team wins they pick up the trophy and hoisted above their head that is the period on the season and they fucking missed it they missed it you I cannot even put into words how absurd that is to me as a storyteller who works in this thing and like all about telling stories and capturing moments you missed Alex barkov raising the cup I also just love that barkov didn't even try and take a picture with them and he just tried to grab it and go I was I was saying to my team he was like let him have the fucking thing come on my god but yeah missing that was bad but we often watch you as being hockey for three months we'll be good great it was just like of course right and you look at the sports net thing they did it fine yeah barkov skated a little fast that's why you have another camera pointing at him so you can cut to it it's the kind of thing it's like guys that's the whole point of the season is right there that's the money shot that's the shot that lives on in history of the Florida Panthers winning their first Stanley cup the gift that they post everyone everyone's trying to trash on all of us barkov lifting the cup and when they show every hype video for the next 50 years and when they do all their stuff it's barkov lifting the cup and you fucking missed it I just cannot even comprehend how that happens that made me so mindingly bad it was pretty bad it was pretty bad but I'm gonna give a compliment to Sean McDonough I thought he got really a lot better as the series went on yeah I think I think there was some real criticism there and I think they heard it I think he got a lot better as the series went on there had to be a real conversation of like look man this is the Stanley Cup fine we understand you're probably sick okay then we'll get Bob to do it if you can't do it Bob will do it this is the Stanley Cup final we're actually having some pretty good ratings here we need you to step up and I think in game four beyond he did that I think it very solid calls he brought some really solid energy to it both home and away and I'll give him props I like some of his calls I just I still think Bob's better because Sean still trips over his words a lot and just kind of he's a football guy man he's a football guy Sean McDonough's a football guy he's a football guy he's not the best at describing hockey moments yes where he just sounds like sometimes he doesn't know what to say and that's okay hockey is a hard sport to commentate it is a very hard sport to comment right 95 percent of being a commentator is having energy on the goal call you can get away with a lot more if you just sound good calling goals so if you can do that it's bearable you don't I'm tuning out most of the commentary anyway during games so yeah well I'll give him credit because we dogged on him for premature entire playoffs I thought his the way he called game seven was phenomenal I thought that was one of his best calls on the hockey game yeah and I like I like the simplicity of it he wasn't trying to do too much it's just far to wins the cup let the crowd have the moment you don't have to you don't have to do anything else so yeah and see here's the thing man like when I think of Sean McDonough I think if him commentating a Saturday Night Football game on ESPN with Todd Blackwood that's just where I see Sean McDonough doing yeah that's what I'm at he's in Pence he's at Penn State commentating the whiteout like that's what I imagine yeah so credit words do I thought he had a good end of the series and now the season's over seasons over and we're right into the offseason and then by Wednesday next week we will have three months of absolutely fucking nothing to talk about yep because we don't even have middle stat anymore we can't even squeeze five episodes out of that anymore so thanks Chris yeah thanks Chris god forbid you get a vacation but yeah we're gonna enjoy these next couple like two three episodes because what just we'll talk about and then we're gonna have to really get into the nitty gritty of planning out episodes yeah so we're gonna be back on Saturday after day two of the draft again I simply cannot do it tomorrow after the first day of the draft so I'm gonna be on a plane during the draft and landing probably when it ends knowing me after planes and having to work all day right before being on a plane probably not a great time to do a show so we're gonna give it a little more time maybe something happens that's exciting for the apps and day two there tends to be a lot more trades and stuff and day two of the draft so we'll see if anything happens there we'll talk about who the abs wrapped in around one how the rest of the draft looked and obviously anything else crazy that happens and then we'll be back Monday for our free agency frenzy episode we'll see what the abs have up their sleeve to to build this team back to where Florida is now as the Stanley Cup champions but that's that's our roadmap for the next little bit uh any day besides Friday if anything happens there will be an emergency pod it just I'm saying this and I know it's going to happen I know it oh you know everything's gonna break tomorrow when I know I know it's going to happen it's the one time I physically cannot do an emergency pod so it's going to happen tomorrow and then you know what if it does maybe I'll just have to find a way but you're gonna have to be patient with me so that's where we're at right now if nothing significant happens beyond the apps using their first round pick we will be recording on Saturday at a reasonable time and releasing then then we'll be back on Monday night recording then releasing Tuesday morning recapping the first day of free agency where I assume the abs will have done something at that point yes we'll go from there and we'll figure out the rest but again I think I'm ready to wrap this one up here it is midnight I have a long day tomorrow so I've had a long day today already I got another one tomorrow been 90 minutes I think I'm ready to wrap this one up here it looks like you have something to say no no I'm just my voice is about to give out so let's wrap this up because I I was able to talk today and I want to be able to talk tomorrow so let's wrap this one wrap this thing up so that is going to do it for this edition of the Talladabs of this podcast on the hockey podcast network thank you all so very much for tuning in as always you can use promo code 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