Dan and Sat discuss what Jake DeBrusk can be for the Canucks and if he could be to Elias Pettersson what Filip Hronek was to Quinn Hughes last season. They also get into Brock Boeser's next contract and his comparables.
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can ox central wednesday it's dan reach of sati arshah here in the kintak studio kintak canada's favorite of thought it's provided by thousands of five star google reviews or feet what are you waiting for you can be a part of the show as well with the done by lumber text message inbox those that are listening live the bridge street done by lumber in laddner has moved progress way until breeze industrial park more room more product more awesome details of done by lumber dot a lot to get into today especially on your vancouver kennox and continuing to break down the off season but uh... before we get into that not that i want to make this red wings central or anything it just seems like every time the red wings make a move we end up shown up to work and being like what exactly is the eyes are planned we're not we don't know we're trying to figure out what what the plan is and we're like what five years into it and we still don't know what the plan is uh... he took over the red wings in twenty nineteen i guess they are closer to being a a playoff team but are they any closer really to to winning anything of consequence like they did through the glory days of the red wings in the nineties in two thousands doesn't feel like that uh... today they signed Vladimir terasenko to a four seven five average annual value of the next two seasons so that's just uh... what nine and a half million over the next two years a nice contract for thirty two-year-old who's coming off a cup championship with the florida panthers but i mean i don't know you put patrick and Vlad terasenko on the same team again didn't work out for the rangers two years ago now they're both two years older and two years of playing less defense than they ever have in their careers the whole thing was when they traded jake wallman gave up a second round to do so hey maybe it'll make sense once you see the full picture and the picture isn't fully painted yet they still have to sign Raymond and cider and how much left over what does it look like after that this is this one of those like modern art pieces it's like Homer Simpson when he became an artist modern it's just a bunch of stuff together it's like a jackson pollock you know just stuff on the wall it's fine but i mean like that's but i just throwing the paint at the wall this is my masterpiece somebody's gonna see the beauty in it it really shows that there's spare of the american life anyways but i think yeah i don't i don't see it no you know and i think if you're a red wings fan the whole idea was four or five years in you'll see this real promise and maybe this cup contending team and you're talking about them as being like maybe a wildcard team and who are their star players outside of raman and cider and is raman truly a franchise forward like ciders a franchise the fence man is raman a franchise type forward hasn't shown it yet but he's promising i think he's a nice like complimentary piece or he's like but he's like you know kind of one of those guys that's probably best suited as being a you know third or fourth part of your core and this is not a slight at all he's kind of like Brock Besser to the Canucks yeah when they drafted him it was really promising right and he had this great rookie season you saw this like man this guy can be the real franchise player for you then it's like okay well he's really good but he's not the franchise guy for one of the must have guys i don't know like on a roster but also like can't be the guy but he looks great now you have peterson ahead of him you have the jt miller so you have two options to play with him you have a forty goal year really nice player to have that's kind of what who look as raman is so who is their jt larkin might be their jt but even him he's not quite a jt's level yeah and then have a peterson and they are kind of ran more cider into the ground last year how much they played him in the quality of competition i mean it's just a mess in it right but you know for all those you know we talked about to try we talked about l_a_ yesterday it's like all these teams i went hard in on rebuilds and and collecting a bunch of assets and getting higher draft picks that's just one part of the equation trying to get good again is always going to be the most difficult part of building and n_h_l_ team and a contending n_h_l_ team alright let's get to it it's the open on kennock central welcome to the open that's your home are you too good for your home estimate it is kennock central and in the open we bring you the latest on the vancouver kennox in our take on it so we are very much into the off-season the kennox still have some space maybe they'll use it over the course of the year we'll get into it i see some texts coming in about what the kennox could be looking at or some players that could potentially be available we'll we'll take a look at some of those things but yeah i i still keep thinking about the biggest piece that the kennox signed inject a brush are you like the wolverine mean laying there and then looking at the defrost photo watching the brostate like how this could work i i'm starting to see it yeah i see what patrick and jim are all about um it's so when the kennox traded for philiparonic you know it was okay here's a right shot defenseman 26 going to play a big role for this team and last year up until training camp and up until really the end of preseason we didn't expect them to play with quin hues then he gets thrust next to quin hues and they're so good together that they're inseparable yeah and the conductor ride that pair all season long and it was incredibly good for them they crushed almost all their minutes through the course of the year and in large part philiparonic showing up to the team being the best partner that quin hues has ever had his words and he wins a noris trophy so not only do you bring in a player that adds to your core but now you've gotten the best uh version of quin hues because you've put a quality piece next to him when patrick all vin was talking about the jake de bruh sign the other day he very clearly stated the plan right now is to play jake de bruhsk with elias peterson so my wonder is is jake de bruhsk to elias peterson what philiparonic ended up being for quin hues so my short answer is no i do understand where you're going with this and i do see like what you mean in terms of he can provide elias peterson with somebody who can finish his the chances he sets up he goes to the net he's in dangerous spots to get his shot off oftentimes i think that's something elias peterson can really find and know where i think peterson likes having predictability and i don't mean predictability in terms of be predictable as a player but he knows that you're going to go to the spots that you need to go to when i have the puck and we're playing in certain situations i do think de bruhsk is that type of player yeah so i do think that he's going to be an outlet and be available for peterson a lot and i think his forechecking is also going to be really helpful the way he's going to be able to hold the puck up too they're going to be able to cycle it off the wall i think he's going to be able to help them maintain possession in the offensive zone so see a lot of positives towards it the reason i say no though is philiparonic was almost a perfect fit for quin hues and we talked about it heading into the season and even though the idea was for them to have hues and her own account separate pairs in training camp because they didn't put them together until the season began essentially right but the idea was if you look at what hues' strengths are and what philiparonic strengths are they actually compliment each other really well it's like a perfect kind of match is a lefty and a righty uh... defense been playing together right chronic fills in some of the uh... areas of weakness i guess you could say or i don't know how many areas of weakness quin hues actually has but they meld each other in that way where they fill the gaps for each other's games yeah and also he's also an other partner next to him that you have to respect mm-hmm so as a forechecker and or as a team you can't put all your attention on hues if you do her own is going to be you too yeah so that allows a little more space to open up and there's so many other things you don't do this the hues ronick thing but there's so many things that complement each other and we could look that and said man like you prefer to have depth but if those guys play together it could really be something when i like when i think of jake de brusque that fit of like man he can be the type of guy that all the things we talked about him being able to do i think of that as being the perfect fit for jt miller and brock besser right so to me it's similar to her own it but as in him being the perfect third guy for a super high-end top line with jt miller and brock besser that's what i think of when i think of like the perfect fit yeah but i don't think that patterson and de brusque can't work chemistry is a funny thing in a fickle thing and as much as you can see something working when they get together it just doesn't work sometimes but i can see like i i think you have to explore patterson with de brusque like as much as i think the perfect fit might be there with jt and brock i think you have to explore de brusque and patterson and there are elements of their games i can complement one another miller and besser as a duo jake de brusque elia's patterson as a duo um i i want to maybe pick your brain as to what you think is the best fit for elia's patterson but i first want to stay on this with the brusque because the thing that i i've liked about his game is i've poured over it a little bit more the last few days since the conoxide the player he doesn't really have a major area of weakness he's kind of a jack of all trades in that way like he skates really well he's got a good shot not afraid to get to the dirty areas plays well on the wall four checks well his biggest area of okay this is maybe where the gap in his game is is as you mentioned being a playmaker he's not a guy that gets a ton of first assists or anything to that effect but he plays the game hard he plays the game fast plays at pace you know he's uh amongst the league leaders in speed bursts of 20 plus miles an hour according to the nhl edge data so he doesn't have the highest top speed but he's playing at speed quite a bit which is something you like to see and arguably might be in one of the conox best skater skaters as at the forward position immediately from coming over a hundred percent and you know what that little burst yeah yes of course you want to have a that's more functional and though in hockey because how often do you get to wind up anyways yeah right it's like connor mc david yeah that's pretty much he gets to do it yeah not many guys get to so like that burst is to me more important than having like the the wind up speed so he plays a lot at pace and i think peterson definitely needs that type of a player peterson likes to play with the puck but he needs people moving to create that space you know he's pushing defenders away from peterson as he you know skates into open ice i think there's elements that could mesh well there between the two but ultimately like if he's gonna play a lot at the net front and also get into good shooting positions for elias peterson to find him in like that's should be a really good fit like what how did andre kusmenko aside from the power play how did andre kusmenko build his 39 goal season it was just being around the net yeah and yeah him and him and peterson developed some some chemistry as the season went on but it was a lot of scoring in and around the net it wasn't like he got a great shot off all the time scoring in and around the blue paint and that's what jake de brusque does really really well if you look at the way he scores his goals a lot at the net front and he does have a good shot that can also be utilized in spots too so from an offensive perspective that's huge his defensive game you know that can be something that we point to last year where you didn't have andre kusmenko playing on the defensive side of the puck at the start of the year and all of a sudden elias peterson and company are playing a little bit more in their own end and although that wasn't necessarily the case early in the season certainly towards the midpoint it became a bigger problem with andre kusmenko i don't think you're going to see that a lot with de brusque because he does a lot of these little things well and when you look at a lot of the data is supporting data for how he plays the game doesn't spend a ton of time in his own end doesn't give up a lot of defensive chances when he's on the ice played against top competition last year while he was with the bruins and playing with brad marsh on a ton so like there's a lot about his game that does mold well here or have the potential to mold well with peterson even if there might be some gaps mostly from a playmaking standpoint that we still need to see from him yeah for sure the thing though is like and this is not a it's not a criticism it's it's just a fact but also a positive his numbers i think especially the two way numbers not to say that he's carried by playing with the guys he played with and assisted me played with but it was a very good environment to play it and it was hard to have really bad underlying numbers playing a big role there but i've seen it with other bruins in the past and then they go to a different situation uh tim charlotte great great example now obviously jake debrusty is a far better place than him charlotte right and the other thing though is he's still good enough it was good enough to hang with those players and be productive with those players in a tough environment in a good environment but you have to be able to be reliable to excel in that environment and he was able to do that now it wasn't always consistent but it got better right so so there are positives in that sense i just he shoots the puck a lot five on five per 60 he can shoot the puck more i think that's one thing i want to see like if it's going to be that type of fit like i think he's got to get himself into being like a top 40 shots per 60 type of guy alongside peterson right and i think last year he was like eight 77th or something like that not bad yeah shots per 60 but like he he was like eight and a half or so per 60 the best players are like in that 12 range if he does that he should be able to score quite a few goals right so i think that's something that can evolve can that evolve and happen that's how i see the pathway to him being that ideal winger i think the ideal winger peterson is a guy who shoots the puck a lot yeah like you know big volume type of shooter that's not afraid of shooting the puck right and i think the left shot right shot thing you'd love you'd love to have a right winger as well they can shoot the puck i think in terms of the power play that's where you love having um the brush potentially as a left shot in the bumper spot but in terms of playing with peterson the the only other question i have is not just a creativity factor can you hold up play enough for a guy like peterson at times that's one of the things you know like he's he's something that gets the puck and moves the puck like do you can you have enough hesitation in your game at times and i think that's type of player that can you know draw enough attention to himself to create more space for peterson i think that's type of like me you'd love to find for him if you can do those things then yes i mean we can revisit this conversation in like six months and you're like hey look like he he's pretty much is the ideal guy it's going to be an interesting part of of how the initial pre-season games really start to develop now knowing that patrick alvein has basically said yeah debroskin peterson is the view right now and that's the plan to start next season doesn't mean it's going to go to plan as we saw it with philipro and i could quin he was last year but i do think there are elements that not only can debrosk level up his game but if that does work out do we see elias peterson get closer to being the best version of himself again i mean i i don't even think debrosk has to be his ideal version i think with peterson if you find the best ideal version for him maybe you'll see his ceiling as a player you know maybe you know how much above a hundred points like does he get over 40 goals himself but i i get four cm having a hundred point season if debrosk gets 30 goals for instance yeah which is what happened when yeah cuzmanko popped off exactly now we got the 39 yeah right but even a little bit less than that but i do think you are going to see a more consistent peterson as long as those two guys can be a duo for what 80 percent of the games if they can do that like i think you're we're not gonna have any questions about elias peterson and his line mates sure we'll sit there and talk about who can you find to be their other winger at some point down the road and we'll still talk about what can you do to add to the team but we're not going to sit here and say hopefully that peterson shouldn't be playing with debrosk so the other area for jake debrosk and potential growth in his game and this isn't going to just be with elias peterson but i think the entire first power play unit is very curious as to how jake debrosk is going to fit now he is that left shot he can't play in the bumper spot but one thing when you look at his data with boston he was never a first unit guy like i'm sure in spurts he was but he never got the kind of time over the course of a season that a first unit guy gets 300 plus minutes on the power play he's topped out at like 180 or so for his career and only scored his second season second full season league had eight power play goals that remains a career high had just two this past year with boston his best spots are either net front or in the bumper and so i could you know we could foresee a scenario where him and brock are rotating a lot between net front and who's in the bumper when the power play gets going and if it starts to hum i think that's kind of how you would envision it brock and and debrosk sort of interchanging quite a bit well one thing that would be exciting to me is you have that option to have those guys interchanged one being a ref lefty one being a righty and what you end up doing is setting up the one timer potentially or the the you know the quick shot from the bumper from both sides yeah because you'd have a righty available for peterson then you have a lefty available for jt and you'd be able to get to get that quick play off in the bumper from both sides and that would be super exciting yeah right like if you can get those guys to move around and do those sort of things it's a hard thing to do and to your point as much as we were we're seeing the pathway for debrosk he's a guy that has to reach a level he hasn't reached before yeah which is be a full-time first power play guy that can be effective in that bumper spot and if he can honestly like if he can do that because we went through the free agent list right and as good as marcheso is and and i honestly like i told you guys like if you couldn't get gensil i wanted them to get marcheso but even marcheso the shortcoming was as a right hand shot he doesn't help them for what they're looking for with a left shot in the power play that's why gensil was almost like one of one in terms of options right because he's this high-end player that's a lefty they can play with peterson plus be in the bumper but obviously that that couldn't come to pass but debrosk is a lefty so if if that if that bet works then you're solving a pretty big issue right so that's why i see like the benefit to it but it's just it's kind of unknown uh that's the one thing that uh they miss maybe more than anything else with bohorvat now in new york islander uh missing his double digit goals on the power play was something that developed over the course of last year maybe jake debrosk can fill that out now you know one thing we've talked about with debrosk signing and you know the kunox not being able to land a jake gensil is well it leaves the door open to extend brock besser whereas if you locked into jake gensil at nine million maybe that's a little bit harder to fit into your cap projections for the future yesterday we did get maybe a comp for brock besser and what his next contract could look like when pavil buccinavitch signed into a six-year deal at 48 million dollars with the st louis blues yeah exactly and i i think that to me could be a comp for uh brock besser especially on the aav front yeah i always i was just two years older he is older now i was kind of surprised he only signed for six years mhm like 48 million is a lot of money but it's also a reflection of as much as he's scored 30 in the past as much as he's been you know a pretty high high level player he hasn't hit 40 yeah and the total money is not at like the 50 million plus but i think that puts you in a range of if you give brock besser eight million over seven if he scores 30 next season that's kind of the going rate yeah it's gonna be hard to it's it's sort of the gamble that the kunox play with assuming that you know they are true to their word and will wait before really talking contract with brock besser if he has another great season his numbers only going to go up now exact now are the connects willing to go to eight years i'm not sure they've shown obviously hesitancy on eight years and guys that are kind of at that range and he'll be 20 what how old will he be twenty and it'll be 28 28 28 because he's 28 would they go i still don't know about it maybe 28 in february so they've taken the 36 yeah i can see them i think they're comfortable to like 35 34 i think 7 could you get brock at seven and a half if you talk to him right now given what he's gone through would you take the gamble without seeing what he does next year without knowing what he looks like in camp would you be willing right now to take a gamble and say seven five over seven yeah that gets you like what 50 million bucks just 51 and a half yeah you know that's comparable to what more than butch naevich got but kind of comparable yeah what do you say no what do you say no right now i won i'm not sure brock would say no i mean that could be a bargain right like if brock is now a consistent 30 goal guy yeah seven and a half eight like is eight plus is the going rate so getting the under eight would be like a relative bargain in the market i uh i hate to be that guy but like the the thing about one of the things about my hesitancy to commit long-term to brock besser into his 30s is the pace is of course part of his not been a big part of his game early in his career there's a different conversation to be had about like should they sign or not it's more about like what is a contract and if you're the team like how do you go about approaching the contract what are comparable to me that's a different we can have a discussion about about besser should they extend it or not more about because because even erf mentioned yesterday we spoke to him do the Canucks consider perhaps talking to besser this off season what does that look like what are the numbers you'd kind of consider at least have a conversation yeah like i'm not enamored with a number at eight or above if you get it under that like given the rate and i understand the lack of pacing but it's also something that hasn't like been a part of his game ever it's not like you know besser's been a fast skater and you're like wow he's gonna lose a skill that helped him get his points like he's not he's not going to lack something he didn't already have yes you know what i mean so so i so yes i agree like you know game gets faster in a certain things he has to do better and keep up for but i don't think it's going to prevent him for being a a you know productive player but yeah like the Canucks have made a lot of investments into players in through thirties are you comfortable doing one more the risky run is similar to what happened with Bo Horvat you go into the season being like okay we're going to see where this how this plays out he has a great start to the year and all of a sudden the number is in the eights and now you're really yeah now you're really up against it it's interesting like what they did with JT for instance yeah JT ended up struggling that year at the beginning and it was a disaster year now he rectified it by the end of the season and got to 82 points but if JT for instance would have had another hundred had a hundred points yeah do you think he's signing for eight million over seven probably not right if he's if he's on pace for another 99 point season where he had the season that he just had yeah you know he's uh he's definitely in a different stratosphere Dan Richo, Satyar Shah lots of texts coming in we'll read those as the show continues on but also Kevin Woodley is going to join us our goalie guru is coming up next on Canucks Central. 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