(upbeat music) - Canuck Central Saturday, it's Dan Reicho, Satyar Shah, Biknazar with you for the duration. - Of day two at the NHL entry draft. We're here in the KinTech studio. And yes, excuse producer fast Eddie Gregory for leaving Biknazar out of the lineup for today's show. - Yeah, that's okay, that's fine. - What is Biknazar contribute anyways? - We're not sure. He didn't even have his headphones set up for the show today, so they've been prepared. It's too busy drinking his spro. I bring the guy one, a spresso, and it's just thrown off his game entirely. - All right, I'm good. - Spreadsheets all over the place. - I'm sorted. - We do have a trade to announce here as the beginning of the show kicks off and round two is about to get going at the NHL entry draft in Las Vegas, the Buffalo Sabres. We're gonna make some moves, make some additions. They've traded the 43rd overall pick to the Washington Capitals for lower mainland native, Beck Malenstein of the Washington Capitals. - Yeah, it's just like we were talking about before we went on to air, like I don't understand NHL trade market, like you can't trade secular on picks, you just can't get them for anything. And here's a guy who had six goals this past year and has a career, 24 points and 105 games, and he is 26 years old. Local boy, so it's great to see you. But he's worth not only a second round pick, but a high second round pick? - It's 43 overall, and he's got our brights, he's a restricted free agent. - But how much, how much leverage does he have in arbitration rights, having 21 points in 81 games? And I'm not dismissing. All I'm saying is like, it's interesting that the NHL trade market with guys that like we don't know about, like how they're viewed within the industry. - Between Waldman, between McCabe, between this one, between Manji or Pawnee. And by the way, it's not as if the Capitals have negotiating leverage here, they're over the cap. - Yeah. - And they just get a second rounder. - Now, he is a big guy, he's physical, he skates fast, right? And there aren't a ton of those guys, and I can see how Buffalo's probably trying to fill out their roster to have a lot of picks. They can't keep developing prospects, there's only so much room you have in your mining league systems. - A lot of physicality, right? Like he's almost like a pre Joshua. - But here's the thing, you know, you bring up Joshua, does that not give you an indication of like what Joshua's market was gonna be like on July 1st where this guy who could quote unquote be a Joshua type is going for a second round pick. - You know, just profiles like as a bottom six guy who can penalty kill, and you know, he's fast, he's big, he has all those kinds of tools. And he goes for a second round. I think one of the things is like, if a guy hasn't been paid yet, then they have more value because maybe there is a team that's willing to, you know, take on the, oh, we might have to pay him $2 million over the next two years. And that's a solid bet that we're willing to pay a second round pick for versus, you know, here's an actually good player or an established player, but he's making three to four million bucks. So he's got zero value on the NHL trade market. - And Buffalo's got a ton of cap space as well. I think they're sitting at 22 and change, and they've gotten most of their business done. I like to have to sign Tage Thompson's. I like to have to sign Dylan Cousins. That sorted out. - They swung and missed on Martin HS. - Yeah, and they have Dali in power and Byron already sorted. So it's just, you know, solve the goal-tending, which is going to be Levi and Ukepeka-Lukan input. How much is that really going to cost you? So they can afford to maybe go term and low cap it. It's like two something if they want to do that. And we're expecting them to, at some point, buy out Jeff Skinner over the next 24 to, I guess, 30 hours. At some point before the end of tomorrow, they are likely to buy out Jeff Skinner. He has no move class, so he doesn't have to go on waivers before they execute that buyout. Now, okay, it's day two of the NHL entry draft. Cox did not have to make a pick yesterday. They traded that to the Calgary Flames. Calgary used that pick at number 29, yes, or 28 yesterday. And now the focus shifts, I guess, to a little bit of the Canucks actually making a selection, but it won't be until round three. There has been some scuttlebutt before the rounds start to get going. Darren Dregger reporting that the Canucks got all the way up to $5 million on the average annual value in their offer to Nikita Zadorov, but ultimately Zadorov and his agent Dan Milstein felt there was more money for them out there on the open market and they decided to test that on Monday. Yeah, and when you hear the $5 million AAV stuff, like, you hear the AAV, but how much of it is with term and how much of it is like, hey, we can do four at five or if we do longer term, it's gonna be less. So you never know quite, we know where that is. My understanding had been the Canucks had been reluctant to go to five on term. We're talking six years. And so like 30 million total value? Yeah, I think the Canucks were below that on their on a longer term deals, maybe somewhere in that 26, 28 million range, four and a half of four, seven, five, which even if they had signed Zadorov to a six year contract worth 4.75, a large segment of the fan base would have been elated. They don't care 'cause they just want him back, but a lot of people would have had sticker shock on even 4.75 over six. I mean, we've talked about Zadorov so much, Patrick Alveen, admitted it yesterday that Zadorov was going to be hitting the open market, but it's just a, it's a number that is completely based on his second half of the season and what he did in the playoffs. I'm like, I'm floored, even when you joined me yesterday, Zadorov, and heard you guys talking about on Central as well, it's the idea of 4.75 over term. That's a lot. And I think we came into this thing. Okay, well, he wants to be here and there's gonna be a hometown discount. That's, well, hometown upcharge. No, no, no, here's the thing though, Bick. If he actually gets five and a half or six over six, then it is a discount. So how does a player go from being worth a third and a fifth round pick in trade to being the number one prize asset? All of a sudden, to being a guy that's about to make $35, $36 million in free agency. Okay, what are two of the three? In half a season we're talking about. There are two things NHL GMs salivate over. Okay. One is playoff success. And the other one is being big while having playoff success. Yes. And that's exactly what Zadorov did. And the thing is, like the reason, as much as we were sitting here and laughing, I don't get teams are gonna fall for that. Not to say the Canucks fell for it, but the Canucks were enamored enough with it to make a real push to keep them. And they were willing to get uncomfortable for that number. So that tells you, it's not just other teams, Vancouver too. Like they were tantalized by what they saw in the postseason. It's just a small sample for you to go all in on. Yeah. If somebody willing to do that. And if somebody is, then yeah, maybe he did. He would have left quite a bit of money on the table if you signed a contract with 28 million of 35, 36 is out there for you. The first pick of the second round has happened. The San Jose Sharks at number 33 overall, taking Russian prospect Igor Chernyschoff as the 33rd overall selection to kick off the second round. And our producers today, Josh Elli Wolf and Fast Eddy Gregory on top of things. So what is the latest on the trade rumor front here, Josh? From Darren Drager, he says, "Day two of the draft keeping an eye on the Utah Hockey Club as it's believed they have a significant trade in the hopper." Okay. Watch them trade for again, so I'll give them like nine over eight now. Mike, why would you say that? I'll just say why Tim's fake. Oh, or Nate Chas, he makes sense, then. For them, right? Yeah, do they have enough? I mean, they have enough picks. They have enough prospects. I mean, they would be a team that could do it if they really wanted to. Not saying it's going to happen, but if it's a big move. They can cancel and Nate Chas on the same day. I mean, is it losing Nate Chas if he doesn't want to be there? It's a fair point. Speaking of the hurricanes, they are on the clock here at number 34 with the trade down that they executed in last night's festivities. My conspiracy theory that the NHL just doesn't allow trades, big trades to happen on day one of the NHL entry draft. Just leave the focus to the players that are getting drafted in round one and have the fireworks go on day two. May still very well be in order. Now, okay. We mentioned Genssel, Dominic Badinka, defensement going 34th overall to Carolina. Like the next 48 hours, until we have some form of tangible actual news on Jake Genssel, is that not the biggest story in Vancouver until we find out otherwise? Today is G Day, man. Yeah. It's Genssel Day. And until we get to pick 93, then we think, okay, maybe there's an opportunity to trade for the player and use that pick or something like that. It's going to be on pins and needles, but the way this is played out here over the last 24, 48 hours, like all indications feel like he's not going to sign there, even though the idea that like he sent out an ask and they matched it and, well, where's the contract? Where's the pen to paper? It just feels like there's going to be an opportunity for Jim Rutherford and Patrick Levine to bring him in. Well, their best foot forward was put 4th on Thursday. It's Saturday. Yeah. You know, like it's, you know, how much are you hagging over structure? And again, like I mentioned before. Yes. They wanted it before the draft, which leads you to believe if they can't sign him, would like to send his rights somewhere. Now, as much as they would want to send his rights somewhere, if they don't sign him, is the market around Genssel such that somebody is clamoring to trade a draft pick to do so and give the eighth year? Not to say that he's not going to get his nine over seven, but that's the thing, as much as, because we look at LA, they're not really in on it. And the teams we've heard, like Vegas, like the New York Rangers, if they have to clear cap space. Yeah. How serious a player can they truly be right now? Yeah, even Tampa with whatever low ball offer that they didn't get done with with Stephen Stamco, it's like they still don't have enough cap space to go out and get Jake Genssel. So do you even have to trade for his rights if he's not signing in Carolina? That's something to kind of keep an eye on, right? 'Cause I think the Canucks would love to get him without, they only have a third, like if in a perfect world, but I'm with you, I'd push come to shove, I'd make the deal. The benefit would be, can you bring the AAV down? Even if it's 750k, like I'm not sweating about that for a third round pick. I get it's like, hey, you get another prospect, I totally appreciate that. But 750k over the next eight years, to me would be far more significant. I don't disagree. The only thing is they've been reluctant to give those guys that at age 29 already eight years, maybe seven, maybe six, but eight they've been reluctant with. But I do know the Canucks, as of this morning, were probably pretty encouraged that Genssel wasn't done. There was a sense that he probably would have gotten done in Carolina and that hasn't happened. And I think that's been pretty encouraging, not only for Vancouver, but other teams I wanna get Genssel. - It is interesting with the whole Genssel sweepstakes because Vancouver, depending on who you ask, is the favorite, Carolina has made their best effort. We believe to keep the player. I have to think for a player of his profile that there is somebody else lurking in the weeds. And it can't just be Vegas or Tampa Bay who have next to know cap space to actually go out and spend on this player. And one team I did think about last night and over the course of the morning is the Buffalo Sabers, who haven't been able to get Martin H. Aston. We know they were sort of sniffing around that. They're pulling the buyout on Jeff Skinner. You know, is Genssel not the guy, the top six player that sort of fits what they're looking for, playoff guy who can help bring along their culture as well. I just wonder, like there's gotta be another team in here that we're not recognizing that is keeping this story from being more finalized than where it's at right now. Because Jake Genssel being on the open market, that's big news. So, we'll pull the seeds off. - They wanna make a splash, it is Utah. - But the thing is, as much as, is he just looking for the biggest number, or does location matter again? Like, does he want to go to Buffalo? Does he want to go again? We don't know if Buffalo's interested, we don't know what you're supposed to say. - Location, situation might, you know, like ability to play with high-end players. - Pittsburgh might be feeling like you're going to be able to contain it, is that pulled back to Pittsburgh? - Yeah, a lot of the Pittsburgh writers have had said that Pittsburgh is out on bringing them back, so. But yeah, so something to keep an eye on. But at the same time, it's one of those things where when it comes to those really big ticket items, there are a lot of teams interested, but it's hard to make the numbers work, especially if you have some cap issues. - Yep. - And that's where, you know, again, like you can be interested in the player, but you're not serious, unless you have the space assignment. - Rolling through a couple of the picks says, you know, they are going pretty quickly here in Las Vegas. Anaheim at number 35, selected Lucas Petterson, center out of Sweden, Charlie Elic, defender going to Columbus at number 36, and continuing Alphonse Fridge going to Winnipeg at 37. Iliya Nabokov, first goalie off the board. I wonder if there's any. - We've done our research. There's no relation to Evgeny. - Evgeny, underrated for what he was as a goaltender. - He was, Nabokov was really good. - Gold and Vancouver. - Yeah, you're right, you're right. - Is it Nabokov or Nabokov? - Nabokov. - Nabokov. - That was always a raging debate. - Another natures situation. - Natures. - But it's Nate Chasse, Nate Chasse, by the way. - So Colorado selecting Nabokov, Iliya Nabokov is the first goalie off the board. Chakra, Russian goalie, the first goalie off the board, because that's all they do is produce gold then. - Was the first Swede taken? - Yes, Lucas Petterson, the first Swede taken 35th overall to the Anaheim Ducks. - Second Swede has been taken to Gabriel Iliason as well. I think he's also a Swedish player. - Yeah, so two Swedes, two Norwegians went in the first round. - Iliason going to the Ottawa Senators. - And Julius Mietinen is Mietinen at a Finland center to Seattle and the latest Andrew Basha, a guy who was thought to be a first rounder going to the Calgary Flames here at 41. - You know what, that's a terrific pick for Calgary at 41. We talked about their late first round pick, how Basha from Madison had in their backyard was there as well. They obviously did not pick him with their late first round pick, but getting Andrew Basha at 41, I didn't imagine he was pretty close. So for them to get both those guys, like 10, you know, less than 10 picks apart, I think that's really positive for that team. - Canucks will have a selection in round three. And of course, we'll be all over that and hopefully connect with the draft pick, assuming they speak English to have a little chit chat with them and see what they're all about. - We'll still have them on. - Yeah, so it's fun. - And we'll just say yes, no, or whatever. - Yes, no, maybe. I don't know, sorry, don't speak language. So was the Doraov moving on? How settled in are the Canucks on their decor? You know, they brought back Myers, obviously, heronic got done as well. You have Hughes and Susie, the third pair. It's not going to be Julesin and Mark Friedman. We know they're going to make some kind of an upgrade, but how do we see their decor shaping up? - Yeah, they're going to be adding one more defense one. - Breaking news, Michael Surgacham to Utah. - Wow. - Wow. So you wanted to ask about how the county lightning have cap space. - So now they do have, now they do have the Genssel cap space. - Also, Frank's Air Valley Tweeting, "Hearing the blues have traded Kevin Hayes." - Kevin Hayes, okay. - Day two is always the more fun day with the trades. - All right, Sir Gotch have moves. Now, is that to get Genssel or to keep Stambco's? - It's to do something to open up cap space. I would think that they make a bigger play or a stronger play for Stambco's. Now, the thing with them-- - They still have to fill the roster out, right? Like, you know, it's not like they, you know, all of a sudden just have 12 million. You still have to fill out your roster and you sound a couple of guys. - The thing with them trading Surgacham, though, is like their decor is now taking quite a hit. Is the door off, baby? - They also, they get JJ Moserback, Tampa Bay does. - So that's it? - I don't know if that's it, but that's part of it. - I'm sure there's second round picks here. - Yeah, Surgacham coming off a pretty significant injury towards the end of last year. - It's a pretty big ticket. It's eight and a half million dollars all the way through till 2031. He's just starting year two of that deal and that no trade clause kicks in this-- - On July 1st? - Yeah, on July 1st. So they kinda got ahead of that. (laughing) - That's tough. - So, any time you get traded literally days before no trade clause kicks in. - Yeah. That one hurts. I'm sure Mikael Surgacham won't be overly happy about that, but I hear Utah's nice. We'll see. (laughing) - I hear Utah's nice. I hear Utah's nice. - I was like, I've never been and I don't happen to have the Utah tour of the brooch tour on hand. - Apparently, apparently Utah is-- - It's supposed to be beautiful, yeah. - It is beautiful, like mountains and all that, like it's, you know. - Provo, yeah. - They have nice colors. - I hear they got great golf in Utah. - Yeah. - Shocker. I figured that out of anything else. - First thing Dan found out when he heard about Utah getting a hockey team, how's the golf? (laughing) - Kevin Hayes is going to the Pittsburgh penguin, so they've added three and a half million dollars pending any sort of salary or attention there. So, Kevin Hayes from St. Louis to Pittsburgh. - So, the reported trade is Moser Giki and a second round pick in 2025? - The NHL trademarked, baby, we're back. - Connor Giki? - Yeah. - 'Cause Morgan is with Seattle, right? - And Connor Giki was a first round pick last year? - Yeah, I think he was a first rounder, just a year ago, he was 11th overall last year. - Yeah, so, I mean it's-- - All right, so that's a pretty big trade. - It's not nothing, yeah, you're talking about, yeah. 11th overall in 2022, so two years ago, and you're giving up a second round pick, plus Moser, what, like a third pair of defense month? - Yeah, he's a piece, I guess, for Tampa who will take a chance on another guy that will probably play and end up playing solid minutes for them, you know, when Sergachev signed that contract, not that I'm like a big Mikhail Sergachev hater or anything like that, but-- - No, you hate him. - I just didn't feel like he had sort of done the things that you would like to see for a guy getting that kind of a contract, right, he was good, but I didn't know if he was eight and a half million dollars good, it was kind of like maybe what we were worried about with Filiparonic situation, where-- - You know what, I'm glad you brought that up. - Yeah. - 'Cause I was gonna wait here to bring it up. Does this not strike you as eerily similar? - Yeah. - As someone you bring in and you pay and right before the clause kicks in, you're like, you know what, there's other things we have to consider. - Yeah. - And might we be having this same conversation in a year's time with Mikhail Sergachev, now a Utah player? I mean, it's like their power play struggled. - Yeah. - At times when he was there, and Hedbin was always the mainstay, and I just wonder if they look at the utility of that and say it makes more sense for us to have Viktor Hedbin run the power play and invest in that and we still got Ryan McDonough and kind of a Miyakalpa from when they traded McDonough a few years ago, and not moving Sergachev. - Tampa also does have to, while they'll start exploring a new deal for Viktor Hedbin, who was a year away from unrestricted free agency, though he is going into his age 33. - Yeah. - But we mentioned, we talked about, you know, Genssel's suitors. - They now have the space. - They have the space, you know, like, you know, we wondered who else would be in on Genssel. They get an extra draft pick too. - Is this an end to the Stamco stalemate too? - I don't know. He's their captain, right? - Yeah. - I don't, like, this reminds me of- - They don't have to offer him 3 million over 8 years now. - Yeah, maybe do 4 over 8, instead. But again, like, I think that was a real indication of, like, if he wants 4 over 8, you know what money that is? That's 36 million dollars. - Yeah, 32. - Yeah, 32. - 32, sorry, 32 million dollars. So it's like, if you want him- - You didn't have a spro, no, I did not have a spro. - But it's like, if you want to give him to a 4-year contract, you're talking about, like, 7, 7 1/2, right? - So that's a couple of big moves already happening in the National Hockey League Day 2. At the draft, Mikhail Surgachev to the Utah Hockey Club in exchange for J.J. Moser, Connor Giki, and a second rounder next year and pick 199 this year, going to the Tampa Bay Lightning. Kevin Hayes going from the St. Louis Blues to the Pittsburgh Penguins. - Moser is pretty slick, too, by the way. - He's put up quite a few points over the last couple of years, had 26 points in 80 games this year and 31 points in 82 games. Last year, left shot defender, just 24 years old. So it's got a little bit of offensive pop to his game. - It's not going to be a nominal contract. It'll probably be north of 2 million, you know? So it's not, and they're probably going to have to replace Surgachev now anyways, right? Like it, you know, so it's going to be fast. Like, if they do Stamp Coast and they have to replace a defenseman, then they don't have space for Genssel. But if they're moving off from Stamp Coast, then they do. So it gets interesting, though, like what 48 hours to go and even though Carolina hasn't notched a deal here with Jake Genssel, and we're starting to see some teams that could potentially make that move as well. - So a couple of picks going through. Andrew Bascha was the last one we announced at 41 to Calgary. Buffalo at 42 selected Adam Clayber. Then it was Cole Hudson defender going to Washington at 43 Harrison Brunicki, going to Pittsburgh at 44, another defenseman and Ryder Ritchie, right winger going to Minnesota at 45, Tanner Howe, left winger to Pittsburgh here at 46 overall, the Detroit Red Wings now on the clock. - So Cole Hudson beat Lane Hudson in draft status. Lane Hudson went 62nd to Montreal. - Yep. - And Cole Hudson going 43rd, so. - Bragg and Wright amongst the siblings. - Teams were like, maybe we shouldn't pass on the Hudson that much considering Lane is like one of the best defense prospects in the league right now. - It was one of those ones last year where it just felt obvious, but like, why isn't Lane Hudson going higher? - Yep. - I was like two years ago. And then he just kept going, bye, bye, bye. And then finally the pick his mate and sure enough, he looks fantastic. - Montreal is very happy. - Everyone in Montreal has pumped up and then who was the last year, Seamus Casey? - Yeah. - Like he went in the mid 40s and now Cole Hudson goes a little bit higher. - Yeah, you know what's really funny too? You know the player he most often gets comped to? - Cole Hudson? - Lane Hudson? - Yeah. (laughing) - Like I'm not kidding. Like they just, that's a cop. (laughing) - Brothers are similar. Who knew? All right. - Luke, he was getting a pair to Jackie or to Quinn. - Yeah. - And it's like, wait, I don't know about that one. (laughing) - So the Vancouver Canucks will be on the clock in round three. So we're still a ways away from that, but the picks are moving a little bit more fast and furious now than they were yesterday when it took four hours to get through 32 selections. - We're getting out on a reasonable time today, aren't we? - Not that I was counting the time. - We say that now. It's round two and then it's like round six. - What? - Well, sometimes you notice that happens. Like also around five takes like two hours. - They're gonna make a bunch of stupid trade downs. - No, the worst is always when it's like pick two 14 and someone takes the time out. It's like, dude, come on. - Well, the best, you don't know what you're doing right now. - You start getting to the stage of the draft where they bring up like, you know, special people that make selections and it takes like five minutes to make the announcement or whatever. - I can't believe the NHL is considering not having a central draft location moving forward. - Well, I mean, now that they spent all the money to be at the sphere, they can't afford to be there again next year. - This was awesome though. - It was great. - Like, it was amazing yesterday. The visuals translated to TV, the special guests, Michael Buffer, Celine Dion. I don't understand why Marshall Lynch did make a draft pick, he was there. But nevertheless, like we criticize a lot of things the NHL can do, scheduling all this. This is a big win. It played out really well on TV and it just feels like an obvious, just make the Vegas the draft. It does feel fairly obvious like how amazing this would be to have it every single year, but NHL going in a different direction because it's boring. - Where we're happy to critique the next decision. - Yes. - This feels obvious, do this. - Yeah, this feels amazing. And maybe they went all out for the last one like this, but it's been, you know, the visuals a little bit of FOMO as I'm watching it, not gonna lie. - I will say though, outrage, that there's no trade horn today. That was great, the trade horn yesterday. - Yeah, it was awesome. - That's, see, that's what we're doing today. - Now, there's no trade. - Well, Eddie is giving you the sound as-- - Well, let's talk about the "Sargacha" 'cause we missed a pick. There was a seventh round pick involved. - Let's take a break. - We missed a seven round pick, sorry. - It's important. - It's important. - Just settle down. - The trade horn, man. - That's great. - All right, so Canucks are getting closer to making their selection in the third round. We've got more coming. If you have questions for us here, we're Draft Central today, all in on day two of the NHL entry draft. It is Canucks Central on SportsNet 650. (upbeat music) (crowd cheering) Utah Hockey Club trades pick number 49 in the 2024 draft and Edmonton's second round pick in 2025, which it had previously acquired, to the New Jersey Devils in return for John Marino and pick number 153 in the 2024 draft. - That is Deputy Commissioner Bill Daley announcing the second big move of the morning for the Utah Hockey Club. I feel like Utah Euts is just like, it rolls off the tongue, I want to say it every time. - No, no. - I'm sorry, what is a huge-- - You, you. (laughing) - You know Euts. John Marino to Utah and maybe clearing the way for Brett Pesche to sign with the New Jersey Devils is a couple of our textures at 650, 650 have mentioned. Well, I guess we're out on Marino. - By the way, I want to give a big shout out to Eddie Gregory there. - Yeah. - 'Cause that trade horn was the production, not in-house. - Yeah. - You know, he did the trade horn, put it all together. You know, the Vegas draft is not doing the trade horn, so. - All of 30 seconds of editing. - Hey, work is work, baby, work is work, it deserves credit. - No, no trade horn on day two at the sphere. We know how day two works at the NHL entry draft. Those guys are just trying to get out of there and over to the poker table as quickly as they can. - Like the second the Oilers made the pick on pick 32, which I forget the name, it was Samuel Riley. - Yeah. - People on the floor, the scouts and the management. - Gone, gone, immediately. - We got our reso at car bones ready to go. - It was crazy, you see it on the broadcast and like behind Maric, people got their backpacks on walking off the floor. It's usually, you know, round seven is like that. - Guys, we're lined up at Hell's Kitchen for 845, get it gone. I was at the 2016 draft and I left midway through the seventh. Okay? And I could see some of the contingent, like everyone's on the floor. I get to the airport, some of the staff members from the Blackhawks beat me there. - Yeah. - Like how did you get here? - One text to Rev T saying Utah is amazing. Forest Gump Viewpoint, Moab and Canyon Lance. - Sorry. - For all the shade I was throwing at Utah earlier. - Thank you, Rev. - Yeah, Austin and Langley, what time are you gonna break into a Zuri pre-game show? - If you start hearing random Italian noises, it could be good or bad things as Italy and Spitzeta have just started playing their rounds. - Spitzeta. - Okay. - Switzerland. - Oh, I'll take a run on that one. - Oh, we're gonna hear. - Is this a Barcelona scenario or? - No, Spitzeta is like, well, let's see Italian way of saying it, yes. - Okay. - We'll just take your word for that one. - Well, we'll keep an eye on it. - I can't say anything in you. - Believe me. - Honestly, yes. Textors, please provide a level of accountability that we get from it. - It's an Italian swear word and nobody knows what I'm saying. - You wanna hit some of the details on these trades? A little bit here with you. - Yeah, sure. - So you talk, it's a Merino answer, Gotchev. - Yes. - So they're hoarding all the defensement. - Well, they did not have a defensement sign. So, I mean, I guess they signed Kesselring to a contract. - Yeah, that Kesselring. I mean, they still have Durzy's rights and other players, Valamaki's rights too, right? - They didn't have a defensement on their current roster signed to a contract though. - So they needed somebody, right? But they traded for John Merino and he was somebody who was linked to the Canucks. I know Sarah Valley mentioned yesterday that the Canucks were in and around Merino. And we talked about what his price would be in Vancouver. And one of the things we spoke about Dan was if they want more than what they gave up, which is a third and a prospect, does that line up with the Vancouver? 'Cause all they have is Hoaglander and he's in and of himself enough to land John Merino. And we had a lot of people texting us and go, well, he only went for third last time. They're looking to dump money. It can't be that expensive. He just got traded for two second round picks. Two second round picks. It's the equivalent of a late first. - Now they got a fifth back as well. - Yeah, sure, it doesn't matter. It's still an equivalent of a late first. - It's two second round picks. - It is one of those things that, you know, Merino on a really good contract, right shot defense. It seems like they are announcing a trade of some kind, Josh. - Gotta play the horn though. - All right, let's play the trade horn. - I love this. This is the thing that is maybe the most happy today. - I hope they're like real trades and not just picks wise. - This is a good one. - This is actual player game move. - Okay. - It is Tanner Janelle to the LA Kings for next year's second. And I believe it was pick 118 in this year's draft. - So Tampa is clearing the decks of their salar and cat picture. For what exactly? I guess that is the mystery. So with moving off of Sir Gotchev and Tanner Janelle, my quick math telling me-- - They're up over $16 million now. - $16 million? - If I'm correct here, 'cause Janelle was 2.6. So they should be, yeah. - And Sir Gotchev was eight and a half. - Yeah, so they should be close to $16 million. - Total cap space? - Yeah. - That would give them the space to get a defenseman. Give them the space to bring back Stamco's. And-- - Still make a healthy run. 'Cause their $8 million goes further than Carolina's and Vancouver's. - Pierre Lebron did tweet out after Tampa made the Sir Gotchev trade that it would give them the flexibility to circle back on Stephen Stamco's, but maybe even take a run at one Jake Genssel. So that is, you know, when we were talking about Genssel, what, 20 minutes ago, we mentioned Tampa, it was like, well, how exactly is Tampa going to be able to do that, considering they don't have any cap space? Well, now they've got lots of cap space. - Well, they got cap space and they have draft assets all of a sudden. And they have picks, you know, like, it's one of those things with Geno. They gave up a lot to get him, but getting a second back, despite his struggles, like that's getting value for him. But it's also one of those things where Geno, he's a rare type of player. They're on enough of those guys. Again, Dakota Joshua type, right? - Got one good season in the league and everybody's just chasing it forever. - Still worth a second. - The full math on everything for Geno was a first, second, third, fourth, fifth and Cal foot, and they end up getting a second, a future second and then a current four. So it essentially becomes a one, three, five and Cal foot. - But at least they got something out of it. - Yeah. - You know, it wasn't a total loss. - But. - So that is-- - It's a little rough. - Yeah, it's tough. Like, now, I mean, I'm looking at Tampa and, you know, we started this show, Dan, talking about Genssel destinations and how teams had the clear cap and until they do, it was hard to see what other teams would be in on it. Like, if Tampa's really in on Genssel, it's going to be hard for Vancouver to compete. Like, if they're willing to meet the number and the no-tax American team, South Florida. - Yeah. - It's a tough team to compete with and a team that's been in the playoff picture for a lot of years, the reputation. Look, they may be on the tail end of their competitive window if it is even still open, but I would bet a lot of players in the league still think Tampa's going to be competitive for a while yet. - Well, and the other thing here is, Tampa has draft picks if they want to trade for his rights. - Mm-hmm. - And do the assign and trade eight by eight. - Yeah. Now, the one thing I will say about all this, as much as Vancouver can trade for his rights, if Genssel has a preference for one team over the other, it's immaterial. So, how much behind the scenes right now is, are you trying to figure out how likely you are to get the guy? Like, again, like, Vancouver can trade for the rights, but if he wants to go to Tampa, it doesn't matter. - Yeah, I know. Yeah, that's totally a consequence. - I think it becomes really fascinating here. So, like, if Tampa trades for his rights, I don't think it's Vancouver that he want to do it. I think it's because that's a team that was going to get a deal done with him. - Correct. Yeah, that's 100% the way you have to look at this. As much as it would be frustrating to see that happen, this is more about Genssel choosing his destination than it is about the connects willingness to trade for his rights or anything like that. - And could be the reason for the hold-up in Genssel not saying yes to Carolina, even after they came up to at least the ballpark of what he is expecting to get on this next deal. The second round continues to roll on. It's the Maple Leafs on the clock here at number 58, Carter George, goaltender going to the LA Kings at 57, Lucas Fisher to St. Louis defender out of the US to St. Louis at 56. So, a lot has happened. Tanner Geno, the latest trade to be made. He's headed to the LA Kings from the Tampa Bay Lightning, but it's put a focus on Tampa and what exactly they are up to ahead of free agency considering they traded Mikael Surgachev and Tanner Geno this morning, opening up an extra 11ish million dollars of cap space and bringing them to a total of about 16 and a half per cap friendly after making those two deals this morning. Also, Kevin Hayes traded to the Pittsburgh Penguins from the St. Louis Blues in the Utah Hockey Club, also getting John Marino, who was at least somebody the Canucks had a level of interest in, but as sat broke down, maybe not really a trade fit for the New Jersey Devils. So, a couple of questions coming in is, now there is clearly another suitor here for Jake Genssel and a one that makes you worry about how his final destination may end up being Vancouver a little bit. Who's left on the Canucks target sheet now? What are plans BC and D? It's really tough to figure that one out for me personally because Jake Genssel was and is the perfect fit to add to this team. When you move beyond Genssel, there's like, guys, you can go out and target, but is there as good a fit as Jake Genssel? The answer is quite clearly no, but what could we see the Canucks do on Monday if Jake Genssel is not an option? The Canucks, if they don't sign Genssel, I believe we'll be signing two forwards, two top six type forwards. That's what they will be looking to add to the roster. And I think the question is nailing those guys down. It was interesting hearing I'm back with us yesterday. He brought up Jonathan Marsha. So, I know Chandler Stevenson's names has also been brought up. The one thing I would say quickly on Chandler Stevenson, if you thought McKay have had trouble scoring goals, like Stevenson's not any better. No, I like Stevenson a lot. Like I do these fast, you can play in the top six, you can play center, you can play win, good defensively, you can play a long star, players and everything. But if you're worried about, if you're scared of a guy who can't consistently score, that's Chandler Stevenson. 120 goal season, 16 goals, usually a 15, 16 goal guy. And before that, he had never even touched any of those numbers. He's, I think he'd be a good like third guy on the line, and he'd be really good to help them. But he doesn't score a ton of goals. So if you signing him, I think you would have to get somebody who's scoring a ton of goals as the other guy. But we'll see ultimately, if those are the two players, but Marsha so to me will be very interesting if he does get to market. March so is, he is a right shot. So, you know, I viewed so much of what the Canucks are targeting Bic in a, well, they want to add a left shot to the power plant. And so that's the other thing about not being able to potentially land Genssel is, well, the next best options and free agency seem to be right-handed, whether it's to Foley, even Stamcos, or as Sat just mentioned, Jonathan Marchasil. Yeah, look, there's a competitive nature as well to Marchasil that I think would be adored as well, and kind of like a plus Connor Garland, different age range, obviously. But that's a consistent, you know, 25 goal score can clip even 35 in the right situation. And certainly in Vancouver would be the right situation. And it's the playoff scoring too. Like there's, he checks so many boxes, obviously. My worry would be contract at age 34. And there's precedent for some pretty decent deals for those types of players. Matt Zukarela got a deal at age 32, Joe Povelsky, age 35 got a decent deal. Like you're probably looking at five and change. I'm not scared of that. At three years. I'm not scared of that with Marchasil. I'm more scared of doing that with Stamcos. Marchasil moves far better than Stamcos does. I think there is less mileage on him, slightly younger too. And I just, I would be more comfortable giving Marchasil 3 even 4 than I would Stamcos. I think he would be a better fit than Stamcos. Yeah, I wouldn't bank on Marchasil scoring 40 goals again though. That's fine. Scrumming, give me 30, 35. Like I don't need 40 goals. I'm not paying you nine. You know, like if it's like, even if it's seven, I'll tell you. I'm just saying that shouldn't be the expectation for Marchasil to, even if you sign up to seven or eight million dollars, whatever it might cost, I wouldn't expect him to be a 40 goal guy. But let's do this. Sorry, let's do the Stamcos thing real quick. Because I see people with me like, Stamcos has to be the guy. He's the best fit for Vancouver. To me, out of the options, like he's a horrible power play fit for Vancouver. Yeah, he's great on the power play, but for Vancouver, I think it would have to play in JT spot. That's the thing. So you're getting either JT in not his best position or Stamcos in his not best position. And are you maximizing the talent of your players if you can't get the best versions of them on the power play? It does change things around quite a bit for the Canucks power play, but I'm also kind of the mindset of don't good players. Just figure it out. We say that, but then look at like, remember, people said that about Pittsburgh? Well, they got Carlson, they got Genssel, they had Crosby, Malkin, and that was a horse, you know, what power play. Even when he went to even when he went to San Jose, it's the easiest, like the best one to bring up. Because when he went to San Jose, it's like, oh, you're going to add Carlson to Brent Burns and all these guys. And it's just like, it never worked in San Jose for those guys. So it's not necessarily a guarantee. Do good players figure it out? Sure. But like JT Miller, it's pretty obvious where his best spot is on the power play, and it's the left half wall. And that just so happens to be the spot that you would want Stephen Stamcos in if you're going to acquire him. The other part of it too is if they want to be this more dynamic downhill type aggressive power play, what is Stephen Stamcos' utilization in that? Because he is best patrolling like that column. Like he's the rook on chess, just like, I'm going to go back and forth in this one spot. And once the puck finds me, I'm going to be devastating. And if they want to be a bit more mobile, do you need all five guys to be active participants in skating and puck retrieval? Now he is brilliantly competitive, right? Take nothing away from that. But if his best role is served to be this left flank trigger guy, well, what sort of mobility are you creating and dynamic player you're creating from that side of the ice on the power play? It's an interesting one with Stephen Stamcos. It does add another big name to the free agent list. Should he get there? But Tampa Bay, well, I guess Utah is the biggest mover and shaker so far, adding Mikhail Surgachev and John Marino this morning to their decor, looking like they're going to be or trying to be more of a competitive team in the new market. But Tampa Bay is now a huge player in free agency after opening up a ton of cap space moving Tanner Genoa to the LA Kings and Mikhail Surgachev to the Utah hockey club. So that's things to keep an eye on with those couple of players. At the NHL entry draft, we are continuing through round two Linus Erickson, the latest pick to Florida. That was a pick swap trade made with the Toronto Maple Leafs. We are now at 59th in the NHL entry draft with the Nashville Predators. On the clock, the Vancouver Canucks are on the clock in round three at pick 93. So still a ways to go before the Canucks are going to make a selection in this year's NHL entry draft. We have had some questions about potential names that the Canucks could target. We'll get to that as the Canucks get closer to their selection. We have a better feel of where the board may be at when the Canucks are on the clock. But a lot of the focus on what the Canucks could do in free agency here. And, you know, what they've done, and there is a trade happening with this 59th pick in the NHL entry draft, is it just a pick swap? Or is there more? Bill Daly announcing that trade right now in in Las Vegas. Just a pick swap. Alright, let's just go into the flyers. Alright, so the flyers doing some moving and shaking as they were not doing the trade horn for that did yesterday. Pick swaps don't deserve it. All right, pick swaps don't deserve it. Now we're arbitrarily judging trade. Despite what our insider down in Vegas is tweeting out on the station accounts. Who's the answer? Oh, is that that's a Dom? Yeah. Okay. Dom is very dramatic on the draft floor. Yeah, as exemplified by our most widespread tweet. Oh, he tweeted out all caps trade horn incoming. So I was like confused. I looked over at these guys. These guys had no idea what was going on. And yeah, I'm like, that's very dramatic. Everyone in drama yesterday was really funny. He was like tweeting out. It's like Jim Rutherford hasn't been at the table for like five minutes. You could tell that Dom is just bored down there. He's like, I'm gonna make something happen. So the draft is just vibes too. Like everyone's just like walking around chill. Yeah, you'll see celebs on the concourse by like hockey celebs and chill. Probably a few that that didn't get much sleep in Sin City last night as well. I might imagine. I know I got a hotel room and reset the draft board. No, no. I noticed you guys put up a video of me and Bic sharing a spro together here. Little cheers. Yeah. Shout out to all the suppliers. My mentions are just filled with water bottle jokes now. Thanks very much. People worried about you spilling the water again. Tim replied surprise down. Dan's allowed to have a unsealed beverage in the studio. We also have Sheldon. I'm just waiting for him to dump it all over the desk. At least it's a spro. It will be a small contained spill. Cole says don't spill the cup, Dan. Don't spill the sippy cup. And another text saying no sippy cup. No. I see that the water bottle video still very much on the top of mines for many people. It's one of the videos of the year, my friend. So somebody is texting in and being like, hey, you look at the math for the Tampa money. Like, does it really work out that they can do all these things? So they have 16 and a half million dollars in cap space. They need to sign at least four forwards and two defensemen, just for a 22 man roster. Yeah. And if Moser comes in at let's say four million, maybe less, let's say three and a half even, that still leaves them with 13 million in cap space to fill out the rest of their roster. Like it gets pretty tight. Like they can't do stamcos and they're always fairly comfortable being like, you know, a hundred percent, but like it's like they can't do stamcos and cancel. It's pretty much one for the other because they have to add another defenseman too, right? They need it. But I mean, yeah. So that's the thing I would kind of, unless do you think they're comfortable going with Hedman, McDonough, Surinac, Perbix, and Moser and Radish as our defense next season? Does it sound like a contending defense? It doesn't really. I bet you they think it is with McDonough back in the fold. Probably. And I got 35 year old McDonough. Like, he's still a good player, but that defense might be better than what they rolled out last year. Yeah. I mean, they have the space to get Genssel if they want. That's the point. They could use another right shot guy. They could, I would say. And there are a few on the market. Yeah. Could they maybe make a play for Brandon Montour? Yeah. Who's testing free agency? Where is this money coming from? Well, I mean, look, they're they're making a play for somebody. Is it Genssel? Is it Stamkos? Is it potentially, you know, the wrestling move go after Sam Reinhardt or Brandon Montour? Should they make it to Mondays free agency? Chris Tanev. Chris Tanev also potentially available. Could we get closer to Monday? Should he get closer to Monday? You know, there are other options for them than just Genssel or Stamkos. Yeah. Yeah. I could really see that being a Sean Walker team. Yeah. I could see that as well. But they, after moving Sir Gotcha, you know, it looks like they could use a right shot defender on the Tampa Bay light. But historically, they were the team that always had the stout left side. Yes. And like, well, Chernack is a one right guy. We'll figure out the other guys afterwards. They had Sir Gotcha playing on the right side a lot of the time. So it's, it's going to be interesting to see what Tampa does with this money. The draft has come to a stall because every pick is just getting traded right now. Carolina's trading down. Fifty nine and sixty have now all been traded in the NHL entry draft. But I guess this is just another pick swap kind of move that the Carolina Hurricanes are making. Columbus has moved up. It's Dan Riccio, Satyar Shah and Biknazar. All I want to say is John Luigi Donaruma is the truth. I mean, Italy's under siege right now. That's it's still nil. No, that's all I know. All right, we're going to get more into the draft and closer to the Canucks pick as well. It's Dan Riccio, Satyar Shah on Canucks Central. Back in the Kid Tech studio, Dan Riccio, Satyar Shah, Biknazar. Draft Central, Canucks Central. We are all in on day two of the NHL entry draft. A lot going on. We've seen a few trades already this morning. The Utah Hockey Club acquiring the Kale Surgetchev from Tampa Bay and John Marino from the New Jersey Devils. Kevin Hayes to the Pittsburgh Penguins from St. Louis. Tanner Geno also heading out of Tampa and is an L.A. King now. I don't think we gave details on the Hayes trade. So it's from St. Louis with a second round pick in 2025, a second round pick to Pittsburgh for future considerations with a second round pick. Yeah, so it's a pure salary cap dump. So they traded for Kevin Hayes at half retained. Yeah, that's right. And then they're now giving up a second round pick to get rid of him at half retained. I don't know if there's retention. There's no retention. No, no, I'm not saying I was like like a half retained and now they're trading him afterwards. So like, yeah, that's an all-time battle. That's a tough one, man. That's a tough one. What do they even give up? Armstrong just got a five-year extension, by the way. Really? Yeah, he did. Like a couple weeks ago? Yeah, and why is Dean supposed to go over for him on the retention plan? Yeah, so I've been like right now. I could have sorely just about Steve. Yeah, so he was traded to the Blues for a sixth round. Yeah, it was nothing. But yeah, they've given up. So they've given up a sixth and a fourth and a second round pick for Kevin Hayes. For one year of Kevin Hayes in St. Louis at half a salary. Probably the NHL hasn't won an Emmy award for best comedy sometimes. Still two years left at 3.5 and change for Kevin Hayes. So, like the McCabe trade makes even less sense from Chicago's perspective now. Well, here's a funny thing about the McCabe trade. Like if the Chicago trade doesn't make sense, I'm dying to find out exactly what the San Jose trade was because where it is, the connects would not have had to retain any salary. I would imagine they wouldn't have been getting a pick back. If they do, maybe it would have been a fifth or a sixth or something or something along those lines. Like that one might have been even a better trade because like you're getting all the money off the books. Would you rather have a fourth or a sixth and have the 750k? Is 750k worth having a fourth over our later on? I think that's like even, right? Like you could convince me either way. Either way, but pretty, pretty, pretty overall pretty simple. But both those trades are significantly better than the two cap dumps we've seen here. The wallman one, and obviously this Hayes one. Yeah. So, you know, some of that, I think, Ilea McCabe's reputation helped them a little bit there as a guy with size and speeds. Maybe a year out of, you know, his ACL surgery. There's hope of a bounce back. But Canucks did alright in moving off of that. We do have another trade. Can we get a little bit of a horn here? The Vegas Golden Knights are moving goaltender Logan Thompson to Washington for some draft picks per Elliot Friedman. Don't know which picks could be involved there. So Vegas is now getting onto. He's not making enough money. I got the picks for it. Okay, great. All right. It is a pick number 83 this year in a 2025 third rounder next. So two thirds. Yeah. Logan Thompson under, while he's making the league minimum for the next year. I think it was the last time an NHL team had two right-handed catching goalies. Oh, Thompson and Lindgren. Nice shout. That's a great shout. That's a great shout. That cannot think of one. I'm sure there's probably a tandem somewhere, right? Yeah. But I can't think of one. So they got the roster mirroring going on there. They're messing up all the shooters in the Eastern Conference. How does Washington and tend to get under the cap? They just added another. Well, Thompson only might use minimum 700k. Sure. But I mean, they're over already. Yeah. Well, two thirds. It's kind of like the price. It's more than what the Canucks got for Eddie Black. They got a third and a seventh. Remember when they traded Eddie Black? Right. Yeah. But two third round picks. I mean, it's not bad, honestly. Like for a guy that's their backup. Well, he'll compete too. And he's young enough to maybe have some upsides. What's the upside for Vegas making that trade? Just having some trade draft capital? Is Leonard coming back? Yeah. Honestly, that's his puzzle. He's on such a nice contract and he's the backup, right? That might just be help a guy out and sort out his home. Yeah, perhaps. Maybe that makes sense. He probably wants to play more and he'll clearly their guy. Their guy. Yeah. And at least that's a platoon job there with Charlie Lindgren. Even the idea that Vegas could keep Jonathan Marcheso. I mean, their cap space with LTR candidates is just under $7 million. But that would just be like signing Marcheso. And then what else are you doing? Now, they don't have a ton of other roster spots to fill, but still maybe you need to do some things for them to get it going. T.J. Ocean, I think that might be the way that Washington gets under the salary cap. There's some speculation of T.J. Ocean will have to spend the final year of his contract on LTIR. But that has not yet, of course, been confirmed. But that's a body then that they're going to have to replace as well. I mean, I kind of applaud Washington for everything they've done. Look, they take a big swing on on Pierre-Luc Dubois. We're applauding that one. They're, I mean, they're trying, but it's, it's, they're trying to stay competitive for as long as possible. We're just happy somebody's making trades and moves. That's all it is. Is it irresponsible? I always like to say I'm pro mistakes of ambition. Okay. Yeah. And sure, like they've made acquisitions and it's a lot of moves, but it feels like they're thrilled to try to get to 12th place. Right. And how, how actually ambitious is that? Because like the best version of PLD, yeah, like I guess he can be a first line center, but is he clipping 70 points? Yeah. It's, it's just odd. So to me, it's, it's like reaching for the fourth rung on the ladder when the ladder goes another 20 feet. But the thing is how much higher can they truly reach for? But that's the point. It's like, is that even worth being ambitious about? Well, I think it is because you have a vechkin. Like if you didn't have a vechkin chasing down goal scoring record and essentially have two more years with him, like that's to me is the thing more than anything else, right? Like it comes down to, is that how they feel about it? I guess you and I will just chat for a second. Yeah, we're just, we had to give a while reach in a minute 30 seconds. It might be a VAR check, Dan. Don't say anything. Just chill for a moment. Can we get the camera I sewed on reach here for a VAR, VAR check ourselves here? Yeah, it's the one shot on reach here. Yeah. Anyways, why we were chatting there about Washington. But I mean, that's, that's the one thing though, right? Like you are kind of caught in a position where you can't really rebuild and your best bet is to make some sort of value type of propositions. So I don't hate it from that standpoint. Yeah, the thing is they do have some succession plans built in. Like I like the fact that they were aggressive early on, Erasmus Sandeen. I really like the Martin Farivari player and, Charlie Lingerin showed out. So they got pieces and more you would hope will be coming for them at some stage. Well, they made the playoffs actually this year, right? No, I know, but they got the Russian Miroshenko as well and Andrew Crystal exciting pieces. But they were not an exciting of like, Oh, wow, they made the playoffs. I get it. But I just like, there are so few needle moving players. There are so few centers to find. And I don't know. I understand why they made the move, but you know, like I get it. Reach. Are you back with us? Are you all right? I'd like if the Italians are supposed to be good at defending, I don't know what team showed up today. It's it's hard because it's hard for us to really watch the match. It's 40 minutes now in almost. But every time I've looked, it's been Switzerland of all just a red, right? That's what it's been. Maybe it's wrong. But that's been my anecdotal takeaway from watching this game. Sorry, trade. We don't have a trade, but a cool moment. Montreal just took Atos Koivu, which is the Saku Koivu son. The son of Saku Koivu long time Montreal Canadiens captain. So the next generation of Koivus is now a Montreal Canadiens. Bick is such a romantic. They take him at 70th overall is the third round. The narratives of the air guys, you just got to look for him. The third round has commenced here at the NHL entry draft. Canucks still know news on the Canucks. There have been a couple of thoughts here on Brendan Dillon. I know Rick Dollywall has made it known that the Canucks have been in and around that. Frank Sarah Valley has tweeted out that Brendan Dillon could be a target for the New Jersey Devils as well. So it's a name that we've tossed around quite a bit. But as we mentioned earlier this week, as you mentioned earlier this week, is Brendan Dillon's market price going up with how much interest there is in the veteran left shot defencemen. Yeah. When we talked about him, our takeaway was if you can get him around three, three and a half for a couple of years, that to me is similar to a Myers contract. I'd rather do that than overspend on Zadorov on a longer term deal. I'd rather do that. But there is a sense that even a Brendan Dillon is getting 4 million on term, two years, three years, whatever it is. So it's a bit higher than what they thought. And Dollywall mentioned yesterday on Twitter too that so far Vancouver hasn't really been in the mix. It doesn't look like it's going to be Vancouver. So the Dillon to Vancouver stuff seems pretty cold at the moment. If Zadorov is pushing the five plus number, then everyone else is going to get moving up, right? The rising tide lifts all boats. And so if you're Brendan Dillon on that left side, you're like, hope Zadorov gets five close to six million dollars because everyone else is going to get inflated. But guys, this is also why, as much as there's people that were upset about the Myers signing and talk about how bad it is and they wish they would have done something different, for them to find a player better or as good as Myers, it would cost them more than three million. Yeah. You know, and you will see when these contracts can hand it out over the next 48, 72 hours here and you see what these right hand defencemen are going to get. Like the Canucks actually got a value proposition on Tyler Myers because anybody else like him would have received about four million plus. Like you'll see here with these contracts that get handed out, like there isn't going to be any value propositions for a legitimate four five defencemen. Yeah, sure. You can get a six seven. You want to go sign Troy Stetcher or Travis Dermott have at it. You got those guys for a million, but I'm helping your team. No, that's six seven defencemen. If you want a legitimate four five type guy, it's going to cost you about four million plus. Everything that sort of happened this week following the Canucks, you know, signing Teddy Blueger, getting Dakota Joshua to a new contract, even the Ilia McKay I've trade, like the Canucks paid less to do all the moves that they did this week than what the market is seeming to bear on the same types of players. Like Beck Malinston went for a second round pick this morning to the Buffalo Sabres. He had six goals last year. He's got a size and speed, bottom six profile, but hasn't shown anything that at least to my eye would suggest is not shown enough to my eye that that would suggest he's worth a second round pick. And Tanner Geno coming off multiple bad seasons gets traded for a second round pick again this morning. So it's like, if you look at what they did with Dakota Joshua, even it feels as though, you know, the Canucks had a good sense of where the market was and locked in their player coming off a great season to at least even at the most pessimistic of takes, you know, a market value contract. Is this also an indication to that free agency for the forwards? Maybe doesn't look fantastic. It feels like the the first nine, 10 guys might be attractive, but after that, yeah, do you want to get caught in bidding awards on some of these players? And is it worth just giving up a second round pick with cost control in your organization and getting some service ears out of your your nose and your back balance and it 100% is, you know, I think teams are looking at this looking instead of maybe spending capital and free agency just spending draft capital instead to get these players and have at least a fixed salary on them versus what it might take to get somebody in free agency. But as we know, especially with the winger market, if guys end up, you know, lasting into mid July, they probably last into August and might even just be looking for a team to latch on to by the time September run rolls around. And, you know, that's where the Canucks found value last year and could potentially find value again, maybe not to to fill their biggest holes. But, you know, if they have a roster spot or two that is still left to be decided, they could potentially wait until later in the summer to fill that out. Yeah. So what I think that if the Canucks are serious about getting a needle moving forward, and if they want to get a legitimate four or five defenseman, I think they have to sign both those guys on July 1st. Yeah. But if we're talking about there's enough space for the next forward, some more money left over for another defenseman, let's say the connects can get let's say for argument's sake, they sign a seven million dollar forward and they sign a four million dollar defenseman. That's 11 million dollars, right? But they still have about three and a half million left for a couple spots. I'd be okay with holding on to that money until later in the summer to see what kind of percolates because there you can get a couple bargain buys to kind of fill out your depth rough options. But I don't think you can save your big cap space for a bigger move later in the summer because teams don't cap dump needle moving players. They'll cap dump trouble players, they'll cap dump useful players that can't fit in their structure. But what the Canucks need is high end guys. Those guys don't come available in cap dumps. So I don't think you can, I think it's foolish for you to save all your money and try to wait for something else to come open because then you're beholden to the market. And besides, if a good player comes available, what do you think teams want? They want a lot of assets. The Canucks don't have a lot of assets. So that's the trouble. I'm all for it as long as it's about a handful of million three to four or so. And then you have some options with some buy low players later in the summer. It's going to be interesting how the Canucks plan this out over the next couple of days and see what essentially does shake out for them to be able to do. But scoring is one of the biggest ads they need to the top of their lineup help on the power play to fill out that fifth spot on power play one, the priority for the Vancouver Canucks. So we are at pick 75 of the draft. The New Jersey Devils are on the clock. A couple of defenders going with the last two picks Calgary selecting Henry Muse at 74. And prior to that, Alexis Bernier, another defense been going to the Seattle Kraken. We are within 20 picks now for the Vancouver Canucks to select. If it wasn't a Donoruma, by the way, Italy would be down three nothing right now. Let the man. I'm just he just made another great save. Just let the man talk about Henry Muse. Okay. Trying to focus on the draft. He's just posted the video. I got to say, man, I you know, you try to take lessons in life out of everything. I will learn more lessons of how to take a punch from Henry than anyone, man. I admire you for it. Sorry. You know, when sat does the snort, he's he's having a laugh. He's a hard one. It's okay. Regroup at halftime. They'll have their, they'll have their spros at halftime. Maybe maybe they'll fire the coach at halftime, too. Pull yourself together, man. You got to see it in real life as much. Oh, I haven't seen the video. Ah, all right. The pause. Never mind. All right. At Sportsnet 650. If you, uh, the video is tremendous. If you'd like to watch the video at Sportsnet 650, we have the draft on and we also have, uh, Italy losing to Switzerland. Okay. You know how we talked about, um, you look at the left side of the defense market on the free agent market, right? And we're like, Hey, it's the door off. If you don't sign the door off, you look at guys, like Derek forebought. You're looking at guys like Joel Edmondson. And you kind of makes your plug your nose, doesn't it? And how long do we say it's going to take before you start considering circling back to Ian Cole? Yeah. We got a text here, uh, 650, 650. Imagine if we circle back on Ian Cole. Look, yeah. And all the while just tweeted out would not be surprised if the connects check in on Ian Cole again. What this least shocking thing was the door off going that I've heard. Cause he might be the best value proposition on a one year deal as a lefty defenseman. You get him for like two million. That's huge zero problem with that. I know the Oilers series went poorly for Ian Cole. Okay. But I thought he was tremendous in the Nashville series and pivotal part of their season throughout the course of the year. He was their number one penalty killing demand. And you look at the market as far as like reliability of guys you can trust that can play in that role, it's grim on the left side of that defense. Yeah. Yeah. 100% Ian Cole would be like, if you can get Ian Cole at less than three million bucks, I think that would be something that you have to explore because look, you don't have a ton of money to be able to spend, especially if you are going to have to go above and beyond to land a Jake Genssel. And then there's, hey, okay, Ian Cole, do you want to over spend for Joel Edmondson, who's still just 31 years old and could be looking to get another three ish, maybe three plus million dollars on the open market was pretty good for the Maple Leafs. I thought, you know, and a guy that maybe you have some tough times with during the course of the season, but come play off time, another big body that can like penalty kill and box guys out of the front of your net, like that's the type of profile that we know the Canucks like very much. So there's really no surprises to why Joel Edmondson would be somebody that's also on potentially on the Canucks radar. And again, I like a lot of these players, right? I like Derek Forbert to be a penalty kill utility player like Joel Edmondson. I like William Lagison. I like Travis Dermott, right? We've seen him here, but he played really well last year on a PK role. There's, there are guys that can do it. Can they be your number one guy? And all those players I mentioned, they to me, they're the secondary guy, they're, they're in the Carson Sousie range. And I want someone to be, I want the initial shopping list to be higher end on the PK utility than Carson Sousie, who I think can do a very good job. But if you're pushing to move this forward, that's what you want to be looking for. And right now, Ian Cole can be can do the job, and over the course of the year, do you then maybe find someone long term that's a better fit? Yeah. I mean, we saw the Canucks do that last year, right? Like, here's what our roster is to start the year, but we're going to constantly be in the market to upgrade as the season goes on. Now it's expensive. You're continuously spending draft capital in order to do that. And I would say, if the Canucks are dangling the upper end of the salary cap ceiling again, are you able to move out money in the same way that you were last year with an Anthony Bovillier or Andrei Kuzmenko being included into the Elias Linholm trade in order to make that work? What are your options going to be in order to do those types of things? So there are things you have to think about down the line that might make it difficult to make the same amount of in season trades that the Canucks did a season ago, but you have to go into the year knowing where your weaknesses are and pouncing on situations that might help you upgrade it in the season, because you're probably not going to be able to fill everything out here in free agency on July 1. All right. So we're going to try and touch base with Rick Dollywell and we'll have him on a bit later in the next segment. Okay. So we're going to try and touch base with Rick Dollywell, see what the Canucks are up to as that's really where we're at right now. Vancouver is getting closer to being on the clock. We're about 10 picks away from Vancouver and their 93rd selection. Their first in this year's entry draft coming in the third round. It's Dan Richeaux, Biknazar, and Satyarsha here in the Kintec studio on Kedok Central.
