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Quinn Hughes on His Norris Win + Pre-Draft Mailbag

Dan and Sat are joined by Quinn Hughes following his Norris win to discuss what went into this season for the Canucks Captain. Also, the guys answer your questions in a pre-draft mailbag!

Duration:
30m
Broadcast on:
28 Jun 2024
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Dan and Sat are joined by Quinn Hughes following his Norris win to discuss what went into this season for the Canucks Captain. Also, the guys answer your questions in a pre-draft mailbag!

This podcast was produced by Josh Elliott-Wolfe.

The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

(upbeat music) We're back on Kidock Central, Dan Reacho, Satyar Shah, here in the Kintech Studio. We've got some mailbag questions lined up because tomorrow our mailbag Friday is being usurped by the NHL entry draft. - Yes, it is. So we'll work-- - It got kicked to Thursday. - Yeah, and we figured it's better to do it now and plenty of questions coming into, so. - So it'll be our free agency primer type of mailbag. - Draft slash free agency primer, not that the Canucks have a lot going at the draft. - But also the Vancouver Canucks now have a Norris Trophy winner in Quinn Hughes for the first time in franchise history. Hughes deservedly, so 92 points, let all defensemen this year, unbelievable season, and he won the award given 172 first place votes, which, what did you say there's 190 or so some odd? - 194. - Okay. - So he got all but 22 first place votes. - Roman Yossi and Kiel McCar had 12 and nine respectively. - Yeah, so yeah, he won in a landslide to say the least. Also finished seventh in Hart Trophy Vote, got one second place vote for the Hart Trophy, did Quinn Hughes. He's gonna join us here in a few moments. He's, you know, getting through some of the media duties that he's gotta do in Las Vegas there at the NHL awards ceremony, and then he will chit chat with us for a few moments before we get to the mailbag. Canucks have made a lot of news. There's also been other news. You know, we saw the San Jose Sharks make some trades. The Dallas Stars opened up some more cap space by buying out Ryan Souter. And now the Calgary Flames have just made a trade. Second round pick they get in 2025 for Andrew Mangepane, who is now a member of the Washington Capitals. - Yeah, it's a second round pick that is Colorado Avalanche for this upcoming season. So depending on how they do, I think they're likely a late second. - Yes, but they have two seconds this year. They have two thirds this year, two fourths this year. Next year, two seconds, and two first round picks this year, of course. - Yeah. - They could have two first round picks 2025, and also two first round picks in 2026, potentially. So they have a lot of draft capital, all of a sudden the Calgary Flames. - It is, the thing about this is like people often, they're like, wow, look at how much draft capital these teams have. Look at how much draft capital Chicago and Arizona have. It's like when you are ready to tear down your team, you can easily get draft capital. - Yeah, trade everybody you have. You're trading all your guys, you're taking guys on for extra draft picks. Like it is, when you're in that mode, it is incredibly, like people will give you draft picks. It's not all that difficult. - No, it's really not if you're willing to sell all your guys, and it doesn't sound like Calgary is going to be done. I mean, 'cause Manko is most likely not extending there. Is that an in-season trade or off-season trade? If you come this far now, are you holding firm on keeping Blake Holman who's 32 years old? - Yeah. - And that's three years left. Rasmus Anderson, for instance. He's 27 entering the prime of his career 'cause he wanna stay there long-term two years at the 4.55. So it's like, they have a few other big questions they have to kind of figure out here too still. - Yeah, you've got a couple of big pieces you can still sell off, trade off. It's one of those things like, I don't know if they're in San Jose territory of like, it's going to take forever to bring this team back to relevancy, but they're pretty close. Like, the Huberdo contract is an anchor. The cadre contract is going to be an anchor. Uighur is still a good player. I don't know, could you get a team to take on Uighur in a similar way to the way San Jose was able to get rid of Eric Carlson? - I think they can probably move Uighur. - Yeah, if they wanted to and retain some money there. - I'm even sure they have to retain 6.25, 30 year old for what he can provide. - Yeah, and a right shot guy, so. - I mean, you may not get a lot back in return, but you can probably clear the money. - Like, they're gonna be bad for a while, you know? I just don't see a pathway to big time success. They don't have a ton of, you know, prospects coming either. You know, Coronado, Samuel Hansick, of course, out of the Vancouver Giants. But like, once you go down this road, you're committing to at least three to five years in the mud. So it's gonna be a while for the Calgary Flames. - Yeah, that's just the reality of where they're at right now with the moves that they've had to make. And it's gonna be interesting to see what they go after in free agency. They have a new arena coming up, and what is it, next year or the year afterwards, a couple of years now, I think they're gonna pretty close to having their situation figured out. - Just got a new scoreboard today. - Yeah, that's exciting. - That's exciting. - Yeah, who doesn't wanna have a better scoreboard? It's just, you know, are you going for the scoreboard or are the players on the ice in Calgary? That's gonna be the question pretty quickly. - It is going to be interesting to see what they do from here, but they've just made a trade as the NHL off season continues to get exciting. But we now welcome in the Norris Trophy winner. It is your Canucks captain, it is Quinn Hughes. Thanks for doing this, Quinn. Congratulations on the award. - Yeah, thanks guys. I know you did all the humble things and you thanked all your teammates and your parents and everything, and hey, there's a ton of people that played a big part in you winning this award, but you're the best defenseman in the National Hockey League this season, man, how does it feel? - It feels good, I'm really honored, and obviously there's so many great players in the league, so it's something that's really hard to do. And, you know, looking back, I'm gonna be, you know, proud of the year we had, you know, individually, but also as a team, we had a great season, and we took steps to our goal, and now we need to continue to push next year, and hopefully have a better year than we did last year. - I know you're going to say, obviously, winning the Stanley Cup is what you're all after and what you want to get, but I'm sure, as somebody who's as competitive as you are, and somebody who's worked on their game and try to perfect it as much as possible, how much of a dream come true is it to be able to take home some hardware like this, that, you know, it goes down in history as one of the best defenseman. - Yeah, it's really special. I mean, something that I was hoping I'd have the chance to win in my career and to do it at 24, I'm honored. And like I said, there really is so many great to find some in the league. So it's incredibly tough to win and to, you know, do it through a full season, 82 games, and so I'm proud and proud of the year, and we had a great team, and I played great players that allowed me to continue to get better. And, yeah, I'm just, you know, a little surreal right now. Trying to take it in, but just really happy with the whole year, and hopefully continue to get better. - You got 172 first place votes. So yeah, you went away with it in a landslide, and, you know, I know it's been something that you've talked about a lot over the last couple of years. I mean, we've, we watch it closely, and we see how good you are, and how good you have been, even in the years prior to this, but how much do you feel the team's success coming along with your individual play? Maybe put you more on the radar for an award like this. - Yeah, absolutely. I think that's, that's spot on, and we have a great team, really doing. We're gonna continue to get better, and, yeah, like I said, I played great players that have allowed me to continue to get better, and that's kind of what you saw this year. - And obviously this past offseason, you worked on your shot, you worked on different elements of your game, and obviously you're trying to take a game to another level. Do you already have a pretty good sense of the things you want to improve heading into next season? - Yeah, I mean, I've tried not to thank you too much about the season. I think it's really important to let your brain relax, but yeah, I mean, after this, I can look forward to the season, and think about different things that I wanna do, and grow as a player, a person, captain, leader, and I'll look at all the things. - Before we let you go, we're starting to see the offseason take a little bit of shape. You know, Ronik's coming back. Dax signed a new deal today. Tyler Meyer's coming back. We saw Teddy Blueger resign yesterday. How do you feel about seeing a lot of your teammates getting locked in and being able to build on what you guys did this year? - Yeah, I mean, our depth was really great this year, and a big reason why we had success, and those guys are a massive part. So to bring those guys back, it's really important to what we're trying to do, and I'm glad you got those done. - Well, you guys have a very active front office. They're not afraid of being bold. How exciting is it to kind of watch and see day to day what the team might be up to? - Yeah, I mean, they're really serious group of guys. They believe in the group, and to me, that means everything. And so really appreciate the now aggressive they've done, and hopefully we can do everything we can to, I guess, not make them proud, but win. - Quinn, it was incredible watching you this year. Very deserved, Norris Trophy win. Congratulations on the award, and now we'll talk again soon. Thanks for this. - Thank you guys, I appreciate it. There is Quinn Hughes, captain of your Vancouver Canucks Norris Trophy winner. And I think, look, he says all the right things, but he's also alluded to, and it was a great piece with Ian McIntyre talking about, and he's said this before. He notices when people have questioned his overall game, his defensive game at times, there was no doubts. The award voting shows that 172 first place votes. There is no doubt in most people's minds who was the best defenseman in the national hockey league this season. - Yeah, it's a regular season award, and in the regular season, he was the best defenseman in the league, right? And he deserves the award from what he got, and Quinn isn't going to go down in history because of his defensive acumen, but his defensive play has taken a huge step. He's not a liability. Because of his size, yeah, there will be times where he is going to have limitations of certain situations, but every player has certain limitations in certain situations. And Quinn Hughes wasn't being victimized left, right, and center in the playoffs. He had some bad moments, but he also had some really good moments. And defensively, he actually acquitted himself very well. But considering how incredible he is with the puck and how he controls the game, that's what makes him great. But now his defensive game has not only got to a baseline level, it's gone above a baseline level, and that's why he's winning Norris Trophy. - It's Dan Rachow, sat to your shot. That was Quinn Hughes, Norris Trophy winner, joining us from Las Vegas. The NHL entry draft going tomorrow. Canucks do not have a first or second round selection, but that doesn't mean our draft coverage will suffer. We'll give you the entire first round tomorrow, starting at four o'clock with the show. And even Saturday, we're putting in an extra shift, showing up at 830 a.m. - Let's do it. - At 830 a.m. Saturday. - 830, I told everybody, they thought we're starting at eight, I said we're starting at eight 30. You can start at eight if you want. I even told Cam, I'm like, you guys destroyed at eight, but I'm here at 830. - So 830 a.m. will bring day two coverage of the draft and all of the Canucks picks that will come on day two starting with their first one, which is in the third round. But we close out today's show with a mailbag here on Cadoc Central, because of course, draft coverage will take over the Friday program. So we bring you a mailbag Friday here on a Thursday. Producer Josh Elliott-Wolf. - Hello. - Hi there. - We'll start with this one. Well, we got a few of the same one, actually, or similar ones. So I'll kind of put them all together. Travis, if Gensil is going to resign in Carolina, stamp goes in Tampa, Reinhardt likely in Florida, who's your next best preference winger? And then hockey Vancouver says, say Gensil signs with Carolina, who do the Canucks turn to for their top six winger via trade or free agency? And then finally from CARM, if we cannot sign Gensil, what can we do to elevate the offense? - All great questions. And I think it's a great question because we're so all in on Gensil because he pretty much is the ideal fit out of all the options available in the free agent market. - Sam Reinhardt would be very interesting. But if he's turned down nine, nine and a half million from Florida that has eight years, it's probably going to be out of the Canucks price range. Reinhardt is probably not going to be a realistic option for Vancouver because we're talking, if he hits the market, actually 10 plus. - Yeah. - And Van can't do that. - No. - Right? I think Tofoli, of course, is an obvious one. I think another guy that to me is a sleeper one is Arbudson. - Victor Arbudson. - Yeah. And I think with Arbudson, the reason I like Arbudson is he's a left shot. I think he can forecheck really well. Injury things at times, he's not the biggest player, but he's very effective. There will be competition for him. I'm not sure he's getting term. So he's a guy to me that gives you a little bit of pace too. It gives you some ability on the wing that you didn't have before. It gives you somebody who can play in the bumper spot. That's kind of how I view it on a shorter term deal 'cause I think other guys are gonna get significantly more. - Is it Arbudson kind of like a more complete version of Nils Hoaglander? - Yeah, but he's like more complete. (laughs) Like he's Hoaglander with better IQ. - Fair enough. - And a far better shot. - Yeah. - A far better shot. - Look, the names out there are pretty obvious as to what the Canucks could potentially go after. Like said, I'm just not all that intrigued by a lot of them. Right, would I consider Adam Henrik on a one year deal? Around four million? Maybe if it's a one year deal. - Yeah, but even Henrik, like, is he in? To me, like, I can see Arbudson playing with Patterson having success. - Yeah. - Do we see Henrik doing that? - Henrik is more of like playing third line center. - Yeah, kind of. - Maybe filling in a wing. - Third guy on a wing, right? But like, I need somebody that can be a running mate. - Yeah. - You know, and we know Tofoli can do it. That's why he's an option, but he's not the perfect fit because of his lack of pace. And he's a right-handed shot, and the Canucks kind of already have Besser. And they kind of need a lefty in the bumper spot. So he's not a perfect fit either, right? That's kind of why I would raid Arbudson a bit higher than some of these other players. - Terra Vynan is another left shot. - Sorry, Arbudson is a right-handed shot. I mentioned left-handed shot. He's a right-handed shot. - Terra Vynan is another interesting player, but I think that's going to be a lot more expensive than I'd be comfortable with a player of his profile. So that's why, like, for as much as these questions come in, I'm saying I'd rather like overpay on Jake Genssel, a guy who I know where his production has been for so long. Sure, the end of that contract might not look all that great, but I'm trying to maximize at least the next three years for the Vancouver Canucks. And Jake Genssel, even if it costs you nine and a half million per season, I think does that more than any other player easily more than any other player on the open market. And that's why the Canucks are all in on this guy. - So if you're doing, say, a Arbudson or a Tofoli, I like to see the other guy be someone like Zukar. - Right, and you probably get him cheap. Now it depends on what happens. You're talking one-year deal, potentially three million or something. So instead of paying nine million for Genssel, 'cause you can't do Genssel, can you do five and four or six and three for somebody else? - For a couple of guys. - Yeah. - And then you can kind of find somebody who can maybe be a fit on the bumper spot. You can find that winger to play up top of your lineup. It's not ideal, it's not the same high ceiling, but you still are able to maybe piece together 40 goals doing that, right? - The other option. And I'm just, I'm thinking here, Seth, because I know a lot of people have already written off Elias Lindholm to the Boston Bruins. But now that you've opened up the McKayev cap space, you have a little bit more flexibility to maybe up your offer from the reported seven by seven they had on the table to Elias Lindholm. Could you circle back and go back to Elias Lindholm? - You could, I mean, if you're, let's say if you're willing to do seven times seven with Lindholm, is seven and a half out of the question then? I mean, now that you've opened up a little bit more space, it changes the equation a little bit. - If you're not keeping Genssel, then all of a sudden you can do Lindholm at 7.5, the issue there is you have to go cheap on whoever you find for Pedersen, 'cause we know Lindholm is not going to be the option for Pedersen. - No, it's your plan Miller Pedersen and Lindholm through the middle of the ice. - And you're looking at a cheap guy and then maybe trying to see if Joshua would work there, trying to see if Hoagner can take a step. But then I think you're walking into a revolving door situation, which is less than ideal. - Yep, but you know, that's-- - But it's still a high end, you're getting a high end player in, right? - You're getting a high end player. We know it has its flaws with the fit for the Vancouver Canucks, but it also at the same time, I could say like if Pedersen was going in the playoffs, the Canucks beat the Edmonton Oilers. With the way Lindholm was going, with the way Miller was playing, that triode through the middle of the ice was something no other team could really match. And that would give Vancouver something that not a lot of teams have. - Yeah, people are people who could text again, keep throwing darts. We're answering questions for people. It's the mail bag, you ask the questions, we try to answer them. - How dare you? - You know, the proper way to describe this is the Canucks offseason is very fluid right now. There are a lot of potential options that could open up for the Vancouver Canucks. If one thing goes this way, then it opens up a three more doors down on the right side that they could potentially go down. So there is a very fluid offseason happening right now for the Vancouver Canucks. - It's fluid. - Fluid, very fluid. - Very fluid. - A lot of things can happen. - Things in motion. - Things can happen. - A lot of ball in the air? - Yes. - Next one from Paul. - Paul, changes everything. - Yeah, fair enough. Paul, wouldn't Brendan Dillon be a cheaper and better replacement for Nikita Zadorov? Also, he would not clog the path for Elias Petterson on defense to advance in a few years. - Well, first of all, I'd be careful with assuming too much with Elias Petterson, the defenseman. I'm not saying he's not going to be a good player. There are a lot of things I like about him, but I'd slow the role on how close he is and also how high he may play up your lineup. You know, like we're talking-- - He's at least a full year in Abbotsford. - Yeah. - And then from there, we'll see where things are at. I do think Dillon will be a shorter term, obviously, than Zadorov. I don't think the number would be small though. - So, by cheaper, are we talking, so if we're ballparking Zadorov at 4, 7, 5, 5 million, something like that, are we talking a million dollars less to sign Brendan Dillon? Or is he still going to get at least 4 million a year in this free agent market? - So, when we talked about this before, I would prefer to get Dillon on a two-year deal at 3.5 that signs Zadorov to 6 at 5. I'd rather do that. But like, that's a hypothetical that I've made up. The market is not, doesn't give a, you know what, about what idea I may have. So, if, for Brendan Dillon, not Corey Dillon, the former running back, he was great though. - He was great though. - He was a fantastic guy. - Yeah, I can 300-yard game. - Yeah, he was fun to watch. - Yeah, he was. But, on Brendan Dillon, if he's looking at four per year for a couple of years, like, you're, the AAV is not too far off what Zadorov is getting. And yeah, so it's only a couple of years, but it's not, you're not saving significant money. - Yeah. - So, it's not necessarily easy to get that done. - Neither. And they might get competitive. Like, if he can get four somewhere. - Yep. - Do you have to pay more? Do you have to go next to a year? Do you want to do, you know, three years for him and have Myers is already, you know, three years? - That might be why a name like Joel Edmondson has come up. - Yeah, shorter term perhaps. - He's not linked with the Canucks? - He's not super old either. I think he's in his early 30s, 30s. - He's 31 right now. - 31. It depends on what the market for him is gonna be. There aren't a ton of lefties. But he's six, five, 224 pounds set and he plays a hard game. - He does. - Like he's a guy, he's one of those guys, you'd get frustrated with him at points during the course of the regular season. If you had to play up the lineup, like let's say you have an injury on your left side and he's forced into bigger minutes. Like yeah, that's where Joel Edmondson could get exposed. But in a perfect world, like you get through the 82 and he starts playing in the playoffs and he's a hard game kind of guy and he's good at boxing people out in front of the net. Like that's kind of the thing. You're in a way a cheaper Zadorov or a very poor man's, Nikita Zadorov, without the skating and offensive talent puck skills that Zadorov has. - Yeah, of course. And you're not expecting a ton. He's gonna have his limitations in the playoffs a little bit better, he does play physical. But how much is that going to cost? I'm okay with it if it's two million. If we're talking three plus. - I mean, it's probably still like in this market, it's probably still in the three million dollar range. - Yeah, that's like, I'm not loving that. But there aren't a ton of lefties. It's like, I've mentioned, if you want guys who are decent on the PK and have size of physicality and have a track record, even if it is spotty, it's essentially two guys that fit that bill on the free agent market. One is Derek Forbort, the other one is Joel Edmondson. And then we're, the rest are talking about perhaps Jack Johnson type, which is like, you know, he's sold at this point. (laughing) I didn't mean to be so dismissive about that. I'm just saying like, he's sold at this point. I guess there is a wonder if they could, it is circle back season, but could they circle back to any in coal type? That's something that could potentially be on the table. But you're right, you know, like honestly, out of Edmondson, Forbort and those guys, I'd rather do two and a half million for one year for Yankoel. - Yeah, you know, and that's kind of the range we're talking about. Like I, personally, I like Matt Grislick as a player, but he's not the biggest guy. He's still gonna command around three to four million dollars. So, you know, I'm not sure that is necessarily a fit. The left side of free agency on defense is, it's a barren wasteland to be honest with you. You know, you're, you kind of, you might be shopping at the Five and Dime with the Sebastian Aheus and Calvin DeHaan, if you don't walk in somebody else. It will come July one. And I would say right now, because I have a certain level of confidence in Noah Julesen being able to hold down the right side on your third pair for a certain amount of games next year. And maybe you keep it, as we like to say, fluid as the season goes on. Maybe you upgrade on that as the season goes in, but on the left side, you've got Hughes, you've got Susie. And then after that, you don't really have a left shot guy. You have Guillaume Breeze-Bois the next on the depth chart right now. - Yeah, and then Christian Willannon, that's it. You know, and then you're talking about the Elias Petrasons, Akido Herosés. Like that's kind of where you start going to after that. They need something, they have to sign a lefty. It has to happen. - Which, as much as like Tanev could still be an option, feels like just from a depth chart perspective, finding a left shot D after they've signed Tyler Myers, finding a left shot D is more important. - But I wouldn't put it past them to sign another righty as well. - Okay. - Next one from Trevor. Does it make sense for the Canucks to flip a player to get into the first or second round of the draft? Everyone thinks the window is open now, but should the team try to strengthen its prospect pool with another high value draft pick? - I just don't know who that player would be to get into the first or second round. - Yeah, I don't think you're getting a first or a whole glider, for instance. - No. - Like he has value now on the trade market. I'm not sure you're getting a first round pick in this draft. - Yeah. - You might get a second rounder for him. You spent a second rounder on him in 2019. - Now you might get a second rounder in a prospect. It might be one of those where they're willing to give you a couple of things, but not a first. - But also he's making 1.1 million. - Yeah. - And can help your lineup. - Yeah, and it doesn't give you to cap space, really. - And the option would be Connor Garland. - And we're not getting a first for Garland. - Yeah, you're not getting a first for Garland. We just Andrew Bonjapon, I go to the Washington capitals from the Calgary Flames. And they got a second round pick for him, but he's an expiring deal, even close to six million bucks, an expiring deal. And it's a Colorado pick, so it's likely to be a late second rounder, and it's also in 2025. So if you're trying to get into the 2024 draft, I just don't see the player that gives the Canucks that option. - Yeah, I think it might be comparable to Garland with his value, like around a second round pick. So now we're getting into Besser. And people keep asking about Besser. We're like, you guys aren't talking about Besser. The reason we're not really talking about Besser is because he's doing fine, like he's doing okay, but he's going through the blood clot issue, and it's months of taking medication, and then making sure everything's fine for you to get into the off-season program, and then getting into training camp and everything. And we're still so early that I don't know, and the team, like Jim Rutherford himself told Ian McIntyre last week that with Besser, we'll see how this started next season goes, and then we'll figure out the contract. The most likely path with him is extension, or trade at the next deadline, depending on how he goes to begin the season. So you're not trading him right now, and given the uncertainty around him, is anybody really willing to give you what you would want to move him at the moment? - Yeah, I doubt that. And I wouldn't be, you mentioned extension, I wouldn't be overly surprised if the Canucks at least explored what that might look like at some point over the course of the summer. - It wouldn't shock me either. Just knowing the Besser situation, I mean, I think he really likes it in Vancouver. And I wouldn't be surprised if they explored that option over the course of the summer. - Got time for a couple more of this one from Matt. What would it take to move Tucker Pullman's contract so Vancouver can actually toll cap space in season? - I think the way it seems they're going about this at is they're gonna be spending into LTIR rather than being below the $88 million salary cap ceiling. - Yeah, I mean, if they could move the two and a half million, then it's the same thing 'cause you're clearing the money. And then you can actually, if you are even 100K under the cap, start accruing a little bit. I think the cost of doing that business right now because of where the Canucks are at isn't worth doing it, which is probably like a third or a fourth. But do you get to a point in the off season where you can move them for a seventh, which might because of a situation like insurance is gonna cover most of the money, there isn't a lot of money you're taking on. - Yeah. - It comes down to number one is there a team that would want to utilize the LTIR themselves or a team that thinks it's worth having that on their books for a late round traffic. - Yeah. I just don't foresee it happening. - Well, and with this one from DIM, should the two teams that faced each other in the Stanley Cup final always be the first game of the NHL regular season? - So similar like the way they do it in the NFL? - Yeah. But I don't think it always happens. - No, it doesn't always happen. - It happens often. - Yeah, I love to see it. Why not? I think it's great. - Great way to kick off the new year. - Yeah, I'm looking forward. - To me, it really doesn't matter. - But the visiting team would have to watch the team that won. So like the Oilers would have to go to Florida and watch the banner get raised. - Unless you do the home game for the team that lost. - I guess. - You can do that, yeah. - I mean, schedules matter so much. It's, do you want to send a West Coast team on an East Coast road trip on your-- - Or vice versa, yeah. - For their first week of the season, I'm not sure that the schedulers want to do all that. - Well, it all depends, right? Like the schedule, right. The reason they can't always locked us in is 'cause year to year, the schedule is so unpredictable. - Yes. - Penguins recently start in the West, but that's because of building availability at home and other things and stuff like that, right? And they ended up doing like Western trip early in the season. - And the Canucks usually like, they'll start at home or with a specific division rival. - It's always Edmonton. - Yeah, usually Edmonton. And then shortly thereafter, they go on an East Coast trip. Almost right away to start the season. But usually it comes down to scheduling. I don't know if the NHL creates rivalries well enough in order to really make that a thing and make it appointment viewing for casual hockey fans. So that's why I would just say it's, to me it's not a deal breaker. It's a nice idea, but I'm not sure it's something that has to happen for the National Hockey League. I always appreciate the questions. Tomorrow we're gonna be on from four o'clock until, whenever the first round of the NHL interview draft is over, if the Canucks have more news, we'll be all over it. Probably speak to Patrick Alveen, although even that's up in the air because the Canucks don't have a first round pick. So we'll see what happens. But, the Canucks have been very busy the last two days. - And they're still working as of now. Like they're still working on getting some stuff done. We'll see what happens with Zadorov. And we'll see if Jake Genssel does sign an extension with the Carolina Hurricanes. The latest reports are that they've put a new offer in front of him that he is mulling over according to Pierla Brun. So next time we speak, hopefully Genssel's still available. - It might be one of those, this is our final offer, Jake. - Pretty much, I mean, yeah. - Now that we're a few days away from free agency. So that could make things interesting. For producers, Josh, Elliot Wolf, and Ben Bassrun, my co-host, Sat, I'm Dan. You've been listening to Canucks Central.