(upbeat music) - Back in on Canucks Central as sports in the 650, Satya Arshah with Biknizar was in for Dan Riccio today. And as always, get in touch with us on the Dunbar Lumber Text Enbox, 650 650 Dunbar Lumber with three stores to serve you in Ladner and Bridge Street, Dunbar Lumber Express at Ladner Center or our beauty is in Vancouver, online at DunbarLumber.com. Stanley Cup has been awarded the Carolina Panthers. The Florida Panthers have won the Stanley Cup, beating the Edmonton Oilers. And let's bring in our next guest. Who kind of wanted to see Edmonton win? It's Yannick Hanson, and as always, Yannick Hanson is brought to you by Magneson Auto Group, Metro Ford, Port Coquote Lemon, Magneson Ford, and Abbotsford on both sides of the Fraser to serve you. Were you a bit disappointed with the outcome last night? - Not necessarily disappointed. Like I said, I was hoping that Edmonton could poke through, but again, I had no calls with Florida winning either. I mean, there is some connection there too. Seeing Lou who is the cup was obviously special. There's a couple of other players I played with and played for the coaching staff. So like I said, I had very little skin in that one in terms of who I did not wanna win. I was happy as one of those two teams. So again, it was one of those where it's, I just hope for a good game and then it was. - On the McDavid thing, I know we talked about it before the series started. Now he wins the Con Smite. I feel like we were chatting with this yesterday too. Like he had such great finals, like put up historic numbers. I don't know if you were concerned with like, you got to have to put your name on the cup to remove that doubt. I understand that he's got a win one at some point, but to me, like he's proved that he's the scariest player in the league, I'm not sure what else he's supposed to do outside of the rest of the team's got to help him win that cup. - And what you said right there, he has to will his team and then the team has to help him 'cause he needs that kind of what cements everything that he's done. There isn't an individual trophy that he would be striving for that he hasn't gotten. He needs his name on the cup. And again, he's proven now that like he is, he is good when it matters. Yeah, I know that no points in game six and seven, yada, yada, yada, but like he let the playoffs. He was instrumental in getting them back when they were down three nothing. It was him, his drive that got them back into this series. And then they got some secondary scoring in game six to push this to two game seven. But again, yeah, it will land squarely on his shoulder, everything he did, everything he does for Edmonton. Today, tomorrow, when we started next year, he was still like David and Josh, I didn't get it done and then they will follow them until they do. - And I think what's really impressive about Florida is they lost the Stanley Cup final last year. Now they didn't lose in game seven and you went through the heartache of losing game seven, but how much fortitude does that show to lose in the Stanley Cup final one year and then come back the next year and win it? - Yeah, it's very hard to do. It's impressive 'cause again, you're playing up until June 24th and normally you're three, four weeks deep into your summer routine. You're actually in a point right now where you're feeling pretty good about your strength, where you are, you're still building. So you're at a whole nother level in terms of preparation for next year where these guys later they're gonna get drunk now. They're gonna have a good time. They're gonna go on vacation. So you're so far behind in your training in terms of where you need to get to by the time you show up for camp again that did your almost handicapped a little bit this year, the following year because of the long year and stuff like that. So it's very hard to do and I know they had a good team last year and they had a very good team again this year, but again, a lot of these players that play a lot of hockey, a lot of millets on them, wear and tear and all these things. So it's even more impressive that they go back to back in terms of getting into the finals. - You briefly mentioned there, but a lot of fans in Vancouver were thrilled and Roberto Luongo mentioned them as well, but you're a teammate. What was like seeing that? - Yeah, again, it was the first one from 11 that got a chance to hoist it again. It was great to see. You know how much it meant to all of us. So again, you finally get through what it means to him and his family, all those things. So it's good to see that the guys are having success now, different stages of their hockey careers, if you will. Of course, it's different winning in a management position than it is as a player. Don't get me wrong, but again, it was great to see. - I think one thing I was on full display was his passion. You saw before the game, right? He's banging the drum and then you see a post game and lifting the cup and expressing the emotion. We saw him in Vancouver, and he talked about this. He didn't always feel comfortable expressing that side, but he was a real emotional player, wasn't he? - Yeah, he was. Especially later on, he kind of... Not the seriousness because he had that all the ways, but he realized that it was okay to have fun with it as well. And it didn't make him less of a player and nobody helped it against him or anything like that, but yeah, he definitely changed from when I just showed up towards my end of my time with him to see the transition he went through. And again, he was a phenomenal player or goaltender from day one till the end of it, but again, his personality, maybe more so out towards the media changed because he was still funny, chatty, goofing around in the dressing room. But as soon as it was something spotlight was on him, it changed where he relaxed a little bit towards the detail end. And again, the last couple of years and it was good to see a different side. - So the finals is complete, Florida wins. Like what takeaway do you have from the Panthers winning that the rest of the league can adopt? - One thing Paul Maris was mentioning in one of the interview was how competitive they were throughout the lineup. Guys that wanted this, drove this. And again, it's easy to look at Matthew Kachuk and Sam Bennett, but the fire they play with, the tenacity they play with, but it's Verhighi, it's that third line, Londel, Luz Derenin that they had as well. And I'm not mentioning all the players here, but like they were so tenacious, combative fighting for everything all over the ice and it made them very hard to play against. 'Cause you weren't given anything when you played the Panthers, you had to earn everything. And again, it wasn't like they were an overly big physical mean team, but all of them finished their checks, all of them fought for position for net front. So it's again, it's one of those things where it is a copycat league and it is one of those things you can look to that these perimeter players that kind of float around, they disappear. They disappear in the playoffs. They're hard to get your goals when you're skating around by the boards. And again, Florida had a lot of players that aren't afraid to go on the inside, aren't afraid to get their goals dirty. And again, that's probably what pushed them through towards the end. - How much of that can be taught or how much of that can be learned for athletes and players? - Oh, I think you need to have it from within, 'cause it's very hard to develop that thing. It's the same thing, you can't teach size. Society is given to you. The same thing with the tenacity, the will. I mean, you can try to push it through, but again, it has to, you have to want, it has to come from within. And if you have a coach that has to yell at your players all the time, hey, make sure you're finishing your check. Make sure you're pushing, make sure you're doing it. Like it wears thin on you. So the players have to do this themselves. It has to come from themselves. And yeah, you can create the culture where majority of your team does it. And then I was like, you're sitting on the bench looking at the other guys. Well, he's doing now I better do it as well. So of course, there is some to it as well. But again, these are, these are specific type of players. These are players that without having known them, probably this is the way they've played throughout their junior careers as well. And it comes more natural. - Now, the off season is fully upon us now. The Stanley Cup final is over. And it comes pretty fast and furious. We have the awards being given out. And then we have the draft on Friday and Saturday. And then on Monday, it's day one of free agency. And for the Vancouver Canucks, we know we talked a lot about them needing to find a winger for Elias Peterson. And they need to find a higher end player. And a guy who's been talked about quite a bit has been Jake Genssel. Now some talk that perhaps Vancouver may be priced out on Jake Genssel. If we're talking about him getting north of nine million, is that something you're uncomfortable with for a player like him? - Yeah, that's again, nine, nine, it's hard because I'm not a cap specialist here. But I'm just looking at the eternal cap structure here on the team and where the money needs to go. And like nine, you're ringing your face. But if he comes in and he makes PD, the number one center, he puts up 40 goals at nine, then I can live with it. But again, you start paying nine and a half, 10 million for Jake Genssel. And then he puts up 70 points, something like that. Then I feel like you're not getting your money's worth. And again, I know you're overpaying on July 1st. But again, what happens most time when you overpay for players is you lose out that competitiveness, adding the player that you need in order to push through. Like, look at Florida, they just won. Reinhardt just put up 50 some goals. Like he's making what, five and a half, six million. He's gonna get paid so much more. And if it's Florida paying him, well, they're losing one of these players that made him so competitive, that made them push through. And now it's that much harder to win again. So it's like, as soon as you start overpaying too many positions, too many players, you aren't winning anymore. And you almost have to win. And then he said, okay, we will reward you now 'cause you've done this for us. But paying for these players before you win. And I have a hard way of seeing it paying off. - What's the secondary option then? 'Cause that's my worry here is, it's not a free agent class flush with names here. And the trade market, the Canucks don't really have a lot of things that they can use in the trade market. So if you miss out on it against all, like how comfortable are you with trying to spend on two to three guys then? - Yeah, and then you look to go find two $5 million players that can hopefully put up a 20, 25 goals each. And then you do it by committee instead. And then yeah, you risk the risk of these aren't showing up when it matters most. But then again, hopefully you don't hamstring yourself for he has seven, eight years with a contract that becomes an Albatross. Or again, you give yourself some leeway here. You are in a window right now. So you do need these players. You cannot come back with the same. You cannot come back without wingers for PD. And then again, looking at the team, one is probably not enough. You need two wingers for him. So it's one of those things like, do you add a again full caliber type of player? And then you fill in with whoever is your depth forward to your Hergland and the K of Garland. Any one of these players, you strike out on Genssel and you go you a fair route and you find two wingers who are somewhat proven second line wingers. And then you hope that this can happen and they can make it happen. And then you're hoping that it's not an eight year deal at too much money. No, then it's a little more reasonable where you're not hurting yourself too much in the long run. - When it comes to the dynamics in a locker room, and I mean, we're only talking about, you know, really big players in terms of them coming in, but like, is there any concern about upsetting the dynamics? If guys like JT making eight million, others may be taking slightly less and then you go in a fork over nine, nine and a half, 10 million to a free agent, who's really good, but maybe not the class of course, you know, when having, Genssel's really good. We like Genssel quite a bit, obviously, but he's not near Pasternak, you know what I mean? Like, is there a concern at all but upsetting the apple cart inside the room when you overpay for a player like that? - Not if he produces, if you bring him in and he scores your 40 goals or whatever, how much we were expecting of him, then it won't. But like I said, if he comes in and he makes nine and a half, 10 million, he puts up 70 points and JT comes back and put up another 100 points and is the second most important player on the team outside of the goalie positions. And then, yeah, you run that risk because, again, regardless of what you end up paying, Jake Genssel, he will not be the first, second, third or fourth most important player on this team, but he will succeed some of these guys in salary. And so, again, you need him to produce. And then, again, you're paying for a somewhat modern, no one commodity here, so you're expecting it, but you definitely do run that risk if it turns out not to work the way we were hoping it will. - I mean, I know it was quite a while ago and not to revisit the Louis Ericsson thing, but is that kind of what happened with him? He came in, got six by six, and then just really struggled. And internally, you're kind of like, man, this guy's good, but I mean, he's just not bringing it. - No, because, again, that salary wasn't obnoxious in the terms of, like, it wasn't at that point seven and a half, eight million was a lot. But, again, six million for, there were two or three top UFAs at that point. Yeah, did he produce a perform in any way that we'd hope? No. But, again, his salary wasn't screaming to the heavens that this guy is way, way too overpaid, by the way it turned out that way. But, again, the only time that this really happens, like I said, it is, you do need somebody who's making, like, he needs to come right at the top. And, again, then falling through. But it's hard to put into perspective and who's gonna get riled up by this. Like I said, it is, you need to really know the dressing room, because if you're sitting in that dressing room and you're JT Miller, and you can see, we're talking about Gensil right now, making more than that, you want Gensil in that room, 'cause you know that it's not enough just you, PD, and Brock in the top six. Like, we need help, and Gensil would fill a ginormous hole there, so you want him in there as well, and then, yeah, he's gonna make more money than me. But as long as he carries his weight, his contract, that then I don't have an issue with it. - What is this last week here before free agency opens? Like, whether it's restricted free agent, unrestricted free agent, you've been through the cycle before. You know, where five days away from it all opening up, if you don't have a deal yet, what are you feeling? - Uncertainty, it only happened to me once, and I was out of the leak. It's one of those things where, like, you think everything will work out. And so, for me, a lot of times, it was done prior, or I was just restricted, so there were really any doubt as to where I was playing. But the last one there in '18, like, I had every intention of coming back to the NHL and thinking it would happen. Yeah, I didn't play great in San Jose that last year. But again, I wasn't too far removed from, felt like I had an impact in hockey games, but it comes real quick. So there's a sense of uncertainty when you reach that point, where it'd be unknown. And again, if you're older, you're a family. It just weighs because, again, you can't wait too, too long either, because there's other things that need to fall into place before you show up to the city that you're gonna end up playing in. So it's, again, it's an exciting time, but it can also be a nerve-wracking time. Was it a situation of, like, you're not getting all offer you liked, or was it just, like, no opportunities? Yeah, I wasn't willing to take PTOs, and I wasn't willing to sit around and wait till September to see if something came out. Our kids were kindergarten-age, so we needed to find a place for them. So again, when nothing really transpired there in August, it's like, okay, am I gonna sit and wait for another month and a half, month, and take a PTO and see if you can maybe make a team, and where am I gonna stay with the family up until then and all these things? So it just became okay, where I guess that's over with, and then moving on. But again, it is, like I said, a lot of uncertainty, especially for players further down the pecking order. Like, if you're the 50 goal score, and everybody is gunning for you level, then I'm sure it's a nice time to be rude and wild and all these things, but again, for the fast majority of us players, it's a time you want to over with so you can get settled again. So next time I chat to you will be next Tuesday after July 1, like, we briefly discussed like how aggressive the Canucks should be, and you go make game seven in the second round, you wanna push it forward. It's tough, but when you map out what they can do this off-season, 'cause they have a chunk of change available to them even after a heroic deal gets signed and they're sitting there with $16, $17 million, how aggressive do you wanna see the Canucks be over these next six days? - Well, as well as if you need to in order to find that winger for PD, and not him, then you need to find two others. You have to find them. You can't come back with McCabe and Herglander on PD's wings. It won't work, it didn't work, it can't work. You need to fix that, and you need to be as aggressive you need, and that doesn't need to happen on July 1st. 'Cause if you strike out on Gansaw or whoever is next there, well, maybe you need to explore other avenues of finding these players, but come September, October, you need this set. - Yeah, absolutely. And hopefully they have a really good off-season, and we see a team that builds on what they did last year, but Yannick, we'll talk on Canucks Central again on Friday. Well, I think we are. Are we talking on Friday with Yannick? And we'll find out. We'll figure this out later on. We'll figure it out later on. I know it's a draft going on, too, but Yannick, thanks as always, man, enjoy the rest of the day. - So good, take care. - That is Yannick Hansen, brought to you by Magnuson Ottergroove, Metro Ford, Porte, Co. Alum, and Magnuson Ford and Abbisser on both sides of the Fraser to serve you. And I mean, I agree with Yannick when he says, if you can't get against all type, find two other players. What I struggle with, though, is those two other guys. - It's two. I'm almost more intrigued by the buyout market than I am the current free agent market. - Like Jeff Skinner? - Yeah. - Or now he won't get bought out, but Patrick Liner. The upside of some of these guys relative to, I know Zuckers, the guy you bring up a lot. - Well, I just mean, like, I think he's a guy you can get on a one-year deal, probably around like four million or less, or two years. Like, because he hasn't had a prolific year, it's not gonna be a big number. All those other guys, like DeBrusque is still gonna be a big number. - I think it's gonna be, I think it's gonna shock some people. - Right, and I think the same thing is gonna be for Tofoli. And I like Tofoli, but he's also older, not the fastest player. How deep can you go on that? All of these guys are gonna go on, - I think it's gonna shock some people. - Do Shane's gonna get a lot of money? All these guys are getting a lot of money. And so if you wanna sure fire top six production guy, you're gonna pay a lot. If you're looking to get a couple bargains, those are the guys. Like, would a guy like, I mean, Bertuzzi take a little less, or is he looking to cash in too? - He just took a one-year deal. - Right, so he's probably looking to cash in. - He's getting paid. - I mean, honestly, I hear people bring up Do Clear. I think if you sign Do Clear to me, that's a admission of somewhat failure in terms of-- - He's a fine player. And like, he's got goals going ability. - He's not gonna be able to play with Patterson. - That to me says something went wrong with this off. - Yes, and I think he's not a solution with Patterson. He goes up with Patterson. That's not gonna stick. It's not gonna stick. So if that's gonna be one of your solutions to find a winger for Patterson, I don't think that's the case. I think Do Clear is a nice player to have, but more in that tertiary role. And I'm not spending 3 million or whatever it would take on a one-year deal to bring him in. I'd rather look at other guys. - The projection risk of, let's just say, someone like Jake Turbrough. So again, I think he's a good player, and solid guy who's gonna get like 20 goals in his role. - Yeah. - But the term that you're gonna have to dedicate, can be five, six years. And there's elements of risk to that. How much roster lock do you want bringing that player in? I know it's like 8.7 for line A, and that's a ton of risk involved. - But it's like two years. - So that to me is a short-term gamble. And it's like, hey, if it works, not only if it works, you're probably getting a 40 goal score. It works in a big, big, big way. And so that to me is a small gamble. I know the 8.7 kind of irksome people, but the acquisition cost is not gonna be that much. It's just what it is on your cap. But the risk is short-term. You're out of it in two years. Now that to me is very interesting. - Yeah, I don't disagree with you. - And then Jessica would probably be a year, show video. - I'm with you on that. And online, I think there's an understanding too from Columbus that they have to take money back. - That's, yeah. - So you're sending-- - In ease of some of the pain. - You're sending a contract out. I think a guy like McKay have lines up this year and next season to send out the other way. Now, there has to be some value in the trade as well, right? - Of course, yeah. - But I see that being more appealing than giving Debrusca contract. Anthony Manta, for instance. Like, I'm not touching these guys. Like that's just something that I'm not willing to do, right? So we'll see ultimately what happens here for the Canucks. But in the thing to keep in mind, you have to look at guys that shoot the puck. You know, like, I see Theravine in being mentioned. To me, that's not a solution for Pedersen. I don't think he's the guy. I think Theravine in my-- - Strong player. Like literally a top six player. But stylistically, I don't think that fits. - You know where I think Theravine would fit? Playing with Miller and Besser. - Yeah, yeah, fair enough. - That's where I think he would fit. But he wouldn't solve that issue you're looking to solve alongside Elias Pedersen, right? So I think that's where the challenge is, what type of player are you looking at and how much is that cost going to be? And we'll see ultimately what the Vancouver Canucks do. Now, we are gonna talk to Irfan Gafar and dig into some of the latest rumors around the Vancouver Canucks, what might happen and also looking at Game 7 of the Stanley Cup here on Canucks Central. Now, to play at the highest level of international parahockey, women need to crack the men's team of feet only three female players have ever accomplished in the history of the sport. There's an inequity on the ice and it tilts heavily in favor of men. 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We'll see if they can do something here, but it looks like if Canada holds on. They win their first match of a major international tournament, a major international tournament in Copa America is where they're participating for the first time. So we'll see if they get it done. But it's time to bring in our next guest, our good friend Irfan Yafar. Irf, what's happening, man? - Not a whole lot, you know? I finally woke up from the England match that put me to sleep. (laughing) - So maybe you were partying with the Panthers or something like that. - No, those days are done, those days are done, those days are long gone. - Although Irf, sat and I were having a conversation. - Oh, wait for that. - Sat and I were having a conversation. I'm gonna make you a Vancouver Canucks player for the next 90 seconds here. You win the cup, partying in Vancouver. Where does the cup go, right? Could Chuck took it to the Atlantic Ocean? Where are you taking it? - Oh, I mean, it depends who the player is. He's completely on there. - I don't know, you're probably going, running around in downtown a little bit. All the bars are there together. Most of them are probably staying open extra late as I assume the ones in Florida did in every other city. But yeah, that's kind of where you go. And then you end up at someone's house in party all night as the Panthers definitely did. And then you get right back at it the next morning. - Making it to English Bay? That was my pick. At some point you're probably gonna go to English Bay. - Do you think they're gonna go across the hockey player? - I know, it's a bit of a trick. Early 30s are gonna go stand at the beach in English Bay and watch the sunrise and sunset. Absolutely not. - No, they're getting lit. You're right. They're going to yield. That's gonna be boring, but that's kind of where they're gonna be, right? Like in terms of-- - Yeah, they're gonna be boring with us as they're going. Or they're going to respond when they can rent out, bring their families and do all that kind of stuff. - Well, hopefully-- - You gotta remember, you gotta remember too though. You win it here in Vancouver. You're done that like, if the game goes, finishes in regulation, you're done at like 839, 930, 10. - Yeah. - It's still early. - You still have time, yeah. - Maybe the rings will be 230 in the morning. - Yeah, that's the thing. Now they keep going all night. - It's fair. - Yeah. - Well, as far as game seven, like what did you think? Like the way the game started off, especially how Florida scored to make a one nothing thought, okay, maybe the onslaught starts. The next thing you know, Edmonton scores to make it one one. What did you make of the game from that point on? - Yeah, you know, going into it, I thought Florida was gonna win. I just had a weird feeling. I thought the Oilers gave everything they possibly had to get it to a game seven. And Florida just had to play a pretty simple hockey game, right? Let Bob see the puck. And, you know, he had a reset. You know, their goalie coach told him not to come to the rink the day before the game. You know, so he spent time with his family, got away from him and he came back. And that's the reason why, you know, he got to come second and, you know, he's gonna win the Mediterranean outcome champion, right? Like he is that or that good of a goalie. Like, so I thought that was there for them. You know, it just looked like they didn't really have that much juice. I know that there was, you know, some flurries of things that were happening, but, you know, McDavid was pretty quiet. You didn't have that extra step, dry, settled quiet. And you hear about the injuries that had happened to them or that they were playing through. So it was just tough, but it was entertaining, right? I mean, to what hockey game going into the third period or heading right down to the wire. I mean, that's what you want if you're the NHL. And in a game seven, like, no, there's not a chance of all the stars in their team to tie it. And they eventually did it. - Yeah, I think, you know, for the game, being on such a big stage, which was great. And there were a lot of people watching the ratings in Canada were strong and the ratings in the U.S. were strong. But I think in terms of all those eyes being on the game, having McDavid be a bit of a dud in game seven was disappointing to me. And I'm not blaming him, but considering how many new people watching the game, this is like your star. And did he do enough to, kind of like, if you watched Conor McDavid for the first time last night, you're going to come away being like, that's the guy they say is the best in a league, which I think is unfortunate. - Yeah, it's unfair to him. I said, but rock is going to win the best and it's not going to be halibuck. But anyways, yeah, no, I think, yeah, it's tough, right? 'Cause all these new hockey fans are going to, we're going to be tuning in. Like the numbers that came out were absolutely outrageous for how many people in the U.S. and Canada watched the games. And, you know, for the most part, all Canadians know how good Conor McDavid is. But yeah, I mean, it's tough. And I think that, you know, there was so much buildup during the broadcast as well about how the Oilers were able to push this to a game seven and get it here and how good their stars have been. And then in that game, there was just nothing from any of them. So, you know, Jan Mark is the guy that, you know, ended up being kind of a hero for the Oilers scoring a goal to tie the game. But other than that, yeah, just not enough gas there. - Yeah, that to me is too much of a worry about new hockey fans perception. It's like, well, then you should have been tuning in earlier. - Well, no, I mean, the thing is like, these are the big games. We were going to watch for the first time on the Cup finals. I'm just saying, I'm just saying it's too bad that the best player on the planet, when so many new eyes were on the game, had a dud. That's what I'm saying. - An invitation to watch the next season though. - Like here's the thing, the narrative is going to be so, let's just put it in context of like big, like personality is going to games. Like Stephen A. Smith, right? He talks about hockey all the time and only think he knows about hockey as the puck is black. And he is terrible at saying that, right? So, he goes to the game and he's expected in being told that Conor McDavid, this guy for the Oilers, you've got to watch him 97, he gets points, he gets four goals, four points, and back to back game zero. McDavid, or Stephen A. Smith goes on his shoulder the next day and be like, you're going to compare that guy to Michael Jordan? Charles Barkley said it on the broadcast too, that you can't compare him to Michael Jordan if he doesn't want anything yet. And it's unfortunate because McDavid is that good and he is the best player in the league, but when you have games like that in one-off, it's just the narrative around him is going to change a little bit because he didn't win. - And I just don't think you can Lebronify that talking point when the guy is off the ice for half the game as well. - Yeah. - No, I know, I get, I'm just saying, you know, I'm not blaming McDavid at all. I thought he was a worthy consomite winner. I'm just saying, it would have been a great place for him to really shine. And that's the biggest thing. And honestly, that's what they needed. - If it wasn't for Conor McDavid, his team wouldn't even be even in this position. - No doubt, but at the end of the day, one team won the Stanley Cup and it wasn't the Edmonton Oilers, right? And I think the question is going to be now long-term. The big one's going to be Leon Dreycidal. Like, do we start the conversation already? Or should we give a bit more credit to how well he's played there, obviously, but also maybe how happy he might be in Edmonton? - Yeah, I think that, look, I don't know. I'm not reporting. I'm going to have to see who the general manager is going to be. I'll be Edmonton Oilers, right? That's first and foremost. And then Leon's really going to have to think what he wants. He's going to be the highest paid player in the league when he finds his contract. Are the Oilers going to be able to offer him what he wants? You know, there are other teams out there. There's connections out there to other teams that have, you know, people have talked about and then different hockey circles, whether it's the Boston Bruins, whether it's his relationship with, you know, the people over at SAP in the San Jose Sharks. I think there's a family tie in there somewhere as well. So it's an interesting one to keep an eye on, but, you know, the Oilers are going to have the first chance to offer him the absolute bag, which is probably the only way they're going to keep him. And it's up to him if you want to spend, you know, the rest of his playing days in Edmonton, like this was their chance. Is this team, is it going to be the same way it's assembled next year? Much like the Vancouver Canucks, right? You can't bring everyone back and expect to go there. I know the Florida Panthers did it, but it's really tough to do, especially in the capital world. - July 1 is going to be a lot of fun, I think, guys, too, because not only is the focus going to be in the free agency here, as we were just talking about Dryasado, it's the guys that are eligible for next year, and that class, to me, looks far more interesting. This one, obviously, contract timelines, but you got Dryasado, you got Crosby, you got Ramton, you got Marner, you got here locally, Besser, right? Like, there's a group of guys that, I'm interested to see, like, how that class gets paid, and I'm just curious here in these next, you know, six days or if, like, is there a first domino that falls that feels like kicks off kind of the off-season for you? - Yeah, I think you look at it. I think the Penguins and Crosby are probably going to get something done. Like, that's an obvious one, right? You get Sydney Crosby, for goodness' sake, and then it does, give one to one. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that one, for sure, gets back. The Sanco's is interesting, too. Like, there really hasn't been talks of him in the lightning, and, you know, he's made it public that they haven't really talked, so I wonder if, you know, Breezewal's going to go to his camp and say, you know, what are we doing here? Like, are we going to make this work? And, you know, Sanco's probably wants to get paid, like, he's going to get paid. Is he even going to consider a different option? Or is he going to be one of those lifelong members of the Tampa Bay Lightning? That's an interesting one. Brock Besser, I think, is the least of the Canucks concerns right now, to be completely honest. When it comes to improving their hockey team, they know exactly kind of the players that they have, and I think that they're going to wait that one through a little bit, for sure. I don't think that they've talked at all. You mentioned a couple other names there. Yeah, it's going to be fun. The Marner one, you know, Frank Flair Volley saying that Marner, you know, might be traded this week. If that happens, it'd be really fun going to draft and seeing the herd of media absolutely get very excited over that, should be interesting. But, yeah, look, I think it's going to be fun. I think that, you know, when you get to the draft and you get to certain situations and coming into July 1st and the lack of reagents this year, kind of makes it more interesting because of how creative teams, or how creative teams need to get to improve their officers. So you might see a lot more trades. As far as the biggest free agent on the market, I mean, Ryan Hart might be the biggest one because of his age, but we'll see if he actually gets there or not over the next few days. But Jake Genssel, there's been a lot of talk around him and Vancouver as well. Vancouver's interest and some more discussion recently about perhaps Vancouver not being, you know, in the picture as much as people have thought, maybe a week ago, where do you think things stand and how challenging do you think it's going to be for Vancouver to get Jake Genssel? - I think it's going to be challenging for sure. I think that when we first talked about this stat, I think you, Dan and I, weeks ago, and I said, I really didn't think that Vancouver was an option for him. And then it came up as maybe the kind of been an option and I know maybe the Canucks are really in. They believe that they're really in on Genssel. I mean, everyone does if you're going to offer the right amount of money, right, to be completely honest. Now, what's the market on Jake Genssel? I think that's the biggest question for the Vancouver Canucks are probably going to have to overpay if you think you have a shot. We've said this before, but, you know, Jake Genssel probably wants 90 year on a seven year deal. Like that's, I think, a fair offer for him. And that's, you know, probably what he's going to get if it's not from the Carolina Hurricanes, if they don't buck up and pay it, then someone else definitely will. I'm not entirely sure that the Vancouver Canucks are going to be able to make it work. I think it's going to be tough. And I think that they, to be completely honest, going to have to pay more than the average team would. - Is that a Canada tax or is that just to blow the socks off a guy and may just make the biggest offer or kind of move? - I think it's a Canada tax, for sure. I think that, I mean, you look at Dylan DiMello, $4.9 million AAV as a playing Winnipeg, right? There's a tax on that for sure. But I think when it comes to Jake Genssel, there really is. Like, I think that, you know, he, I think he's made it pretty clear to people that, you know, this before this contract stuff came out while he's still in time and fit for it, that, you know, he preferred to play in the States, right? And, you know, they were talking about the Canucks being in and all of that. And I just, I still don't think that, I think it's going to be very difficult for the Canucks to do. Like, he can't say they're out because, you know, they got to offer them an insane amount of money to say no, but I just think it's going to be difficult. - Well, and I think what the Canucks have to square up here is what are your other options? How much do you have to pay for your other options? And ultimately, is it worth it for you to go and overpay, essentially, to get Jake Genssel? And I think part of it depends on how like they are you to land your next options. We've heard them be tied to Tyler Tofoli this week. That's, that name has come up. The question is, can they get that done? Or is that also going to be expensive? I think it's going to be expensive. And I don't, and I think Tyler Tofoli's the guy that's going to want term, right? He's in his 30s. Like, he's the guy that's going to want to maximize his potential career earnings here. And, and he's going to get paid. I don't think the Canucks should offer him one of those four or five year deals, you know? Now, if they come in on something low and on a short term, maybe they go and do that. But from Tyler Tofoli side, I'm not entirely sure that, you know, he takes something on a two or three year deal even. I think they would have to go up to a four or five years. And then you look at just the term on that. Well, what's the dollar figure going to be? Is it going to be upwards of up to five million dollars for a guy that's, you know, in his 30s and spent some time on the fourth line for the Winnipeg Jets and the Stretch Run. And in the playoffs, like, I'm not entirely sure that you can go and do that either. So who are your targets if you're the Vancouver Canucks? Isn't it an RFA out there that you can improve via trade? Is it a guy like, if you're not gentle? Or if it's not Tofoli, is the guy like Jake de Bruck? Is the guy like Anthony Duke Claire? Like, are those the type of names that you're going to go after? If you can, and if you think that you're going to be in the hunt here, but by the sounds of it, you know, the Canucks, or the Canucks want to be in on everybody, it's just a matter of them not being able to make things work financially. - That's the kind of thing I've, you know, struggled with a bit where, you know, we got a lot of sentiment from fans saying, well, if they miss that on Gensley, you can go get that next group of players, whether it's Tofoli or it's Duchenne, Tarasenko, Arvidsson, it's like, whoa, those guys are going to want four years across the board, that like 32, 33 to 30 year old guy. Like, they're all going to want term. I don't think you're going to find value on like a two year type deal. - Unless it's like Jason Zuckert type, which is not nearly as exciting, right? - Yeah, yeah. - No, absolutely not. And I think for your, if you're the Canucks, like you have to improve your hockey team. Jason Zuckers is a good player. He doesn't vastly improve your hockey team. Like, Tyler Zuckoli, I don't think improves your hockey team. Like, you have to look at ways to get guys in the lineup that help you win. Like, yeah, the Gensley one's interesting because of the fit or the potential fit with the Leus Pedersen, but if that doesn't work, like you got to get out of your heads if you're management or if you're the staff, like if that's not going to work and you know that it's not going to happen here in the next day or two that he's made up his mind and it's not going to happen, you have to move on. So, you know, there are players that they're looking at, whether it's going to be via trade if they can make it work, or if it's someone in free agency. Like, you got to figure out a way to improve. Your bottom six four group has to improve. We know that, again, you'll see, you know, now has been given permission to find a trade partner for Ilya Mikayev. So, he might not be back. So, that's another person that you have to replace in the bottom six forwards. And you also probably, if you lose Nikita Zadorov, have to get another defection, right? Good for signing Mark Freeman. I don't think he's in every day NHLer. I think that you're still going to have to go out there and then try and spend some money and improve your blue line as well. So, there's a lot of interesting moves that need to happen here for the Canucks. And over the next week or so, it's really going to be fun to see what develops. - But how likely is it they trade Mikayev? 'Cause, I mean, in my understanding- - It's enough, but you're going to have to give up a pick. - Well, that's what I'm saying. And I don't think they're willing to do that. - Or retain salary. - Maybe retain a little bit, but I don't see them giving up a pick. At least not even, not a beautiful pick. - Well, certainly one that they don't have. I mean, if Wallman today is getting moved for a second rounder and he's got what? - $3.4 for the next two years. - Yeah, so he's got $6.8 for the next two years, whereas it's $9 million in total. - Yeah, $9 million in cash for Mikayev. - Yeah, so you're talking about an escalation on that, of that second round pick. So, that opportunity just doesn't feel like it's there, even for Vancouver. - And to be completely honest, like from the season that he has, who even wants any of Mikayev? - Yeah. - Like, you're going to have to do another team of solid, if they're going to take that contract off your books. And the Canucks just don't, I don't think they have a capital, or they can afford to stretch what they have currently to make that work. - No, exactly. And I think the other one, a lot of fans want to see the team retain as Nikita Zadorov. But are they, are they willing to go, where Zadorov wants the number to be at ultimately? 'Cause I mean, the door hasn't closed yet, but we're getting pretty close here now, right? I mean, we're six days away for free agency. - Yeah, I know the door's not closed yet. And it's interesting to see, because it's one of the two sides needs to make up their mind here. Is it Zadorov and he's going to go to free agency? As we inch closer and closer to the draft, and closer and closer towards July 1st, if there's nothing done here, maybe by the draft, I would say that free agency is probably one of the things that he's looking at. Now, it's a matter of, if it's a matter of a couple of $100,000, one way or the other, are the Canucks willing to go up, whereas Zadorov's can't willing to come down. We've heard reports that Zadorov's can't pass come down a little bit, but not from what they fully want. And he's probably going to get that somewhere. He's another guy that's going to want term, he's going to want money. And there's going to be teams out there that are definitely interested in him, whether it's a guy who's like the Boston Bruins, whether it's a guy like Brad she living in Toronto, that would like a big defensive like that to go in. And obviously, he's immediate darling, as we all know here in Vancouver. So it's going to be fascinating to see, because not fully close yet on the door of again, as we sit here and do this right now, but as we inch closer and closer to the draft in July 1st, no door is closing. - It feels kind of funny, guys, 'cause we're sitting here, like we'll buy everywhere on these three agents and these ones. And now here's the door of one of the unrestricted ones that they have. He might not be coming back. And it's suddenly like, well, where are you going to fill the holes? And it brings up question of like, well, what's the status of all the other UFAs that they have as well? - Yeah, I mean, that's the thing, right? I think it's very fair to say that a life-led home is probably not coming back. I think that he is going to explore the free agency world and then see what it has to offer for him. I mean, he's going to go get his bag. Seven times seven is, you know, the money that, you know, a life-led home is a fair offer from what the Canucks believe, but you look at what Lindholm is potentially going to get out there, maybe three to $4 million more, a little bit more than that. Like, in the grand scheme of things, that's not a small amount of money. Like, that's a lot, that's a lot of money over the course of a seven year deal. So, you know, he goes and looks at that and says, okay, let's maximize career potential here. And maybe to fit for him on a different team, it's going to be a lot better suited than it would have been here in Vancouver. Sam Lafferty, probably God. You know, you lost Ian Cole and then you have Tyler Myers, who it's the worst kept secret. You know, it's probably going to get a deal about here in Vancouver just a matter of, you know, getting to that July 1st date and kind of crossing, you know, signing on the dotted line, 'cause I think that, you know, there might be both sides kind of have an agreement or a number of what they want and what they know of what to expect. So, yeah, this team is going to look very different as we, and I think it should, right? It's very rare where you said, I mean, we just saw the Florida Panthers go and do it, but it's very rare you see a team come back and be able to run it back the exact same way they did. And the guys have the career seasons that they did. It's going to be difficult to do, right? Especially, we don't know what Brock Lesnar's health is going to be like coming into next season. You hope it's, you know, fine and he can come in and play, but are we sitting here on three? Can I can ask you this? Like do you expect Brock Lesnar's score 40 goals next year? - Probably not, but I'm expecting 30, right? - Yeah, like, but then that's the thing. There's another 10 goals that needs to be made up of somewhere. Is it going to be Aliyah's better thing? If J.C. Miller doesn't get to over 100 points, who's going to do it? Who's going to fill in those gaps? And that's the difficult part for management to figure out. - 100%, I mean, you got to get goals. And quickly before we let you go here, on a trade front, I mean, the Canucks don't have a ton of trade assets, but can they actually add somebody here by the draft where we see some movement usually? - I think so. I think that when there's a will, there's a way. I wouldn't put anything back to your mother for the Patrick Alvin to be completely honest in what they're able to go out and do and how they're able to acquire players. Is it going to be difficult? Absolutely. Will they have to say goodbye to someone that they may like currently on the roster or prospect to improve their team? Absolutely. But if there's someone that's willing to dance with you, so you can improve your hockey team, you definitely have to go try and make that work. - Earth, great stuff as always, man. And you know what, you know what England needs? It's a start call Palmer next week. As soon as they came on, the team looked better, man. I'm telling you, you know, Southgate's out to lunch. - If you watch like England games and then you watch Harry Kane play and then you like go on the social channels after, there is no one on the England squad that moves faster than Harry Kane and posting about the game. Nobody, it's insane. It's like you go straight through the phone and someone in there just post pictures being like, "What better next game, bro?" Just get in the box. - 100%. 100%. - Yo, Earth, thanks for your time, man. We'll chat soon. - All right, gentlemen, do well. - England, England, England. But they still lead their group. I mean, like, they're, you know-- - Yeah, they won group C. - They're fine, they win their group. They move on. They're actually in the easy bracket of things too. - They're getting very fortunate. - Yeah, like them in Italy, like it's-- - Yeah, 'cause it's France, Portugal, Germany, and Spain. - They're all on the one side of the bracket. - It's insane, like the road is there. Can you take advantage of it is the question. We mentioned Copa America, Canada playing Peru. Again, spoiler, I know that there's some people that want to watch the match getting home and whatever. So I give you grace. - Spoiler alert here. - Canada one, one nil. Their first win at the Copa America, which is huge. And you know, we were kind of talking in the break. I mentioned this is their first win at a huge major international tournament. You mentioned they won the gold club. - They've had gold companies. - Sure, success. - It is, but like, so that's a conference. That's a conference championship, right? Like, you know, the lead, the CONCACAP League Championship. What does CONCACAP rank? So it's like World Cup and Euro, one, two. Copa comes in three, Afcon comes in four. Asia probably comes in a five. - I might, like that's the tier. We can debate that. I think the other four are clearly above. I think we can debate between the Asian Federation versus the North American Federation. - And we know Canada hasn't even had a result at a World Cup before. So this would be their biggest win at an international major tournament. So they beat Peru. And if Chile loses or ties against Argentina, all Canada will require to move on to the knockout stage would be a draw against Chile in their final match of the group stage. So they control their own faith here. - Yeah, a lot of texts then. We need Argentina to beat Chile tonight. - Or even a draw would be fun. Even if they draw, that would be two points because Chile drew against Peru already, nil, nil. So even if they draw, - Going to the Chile match, you would have destiny in your own hands. - A draw would be all you require. - Correct. - Yes. - Nervy times. - Nervy times ahead. Nervy times ahead. - Hey, this is a big moment for the men's program. - Yeah, huge. - This is like, you wanted to see one of these happen. Get this result. There was so much hope and promise going into the World Cup and it was nice to see a goal, but the results weren't there. This is massive. - It's huge. - I see like the Stanley Cup final was played last night. It's over now. The hockey season has come to an end, but we have Canada playing in this tournament. We have the Euro going on. We have the Olympics coming up this summer. Baseball playoffs are coming up right now that you get through the summer months as well. I mean, there's a lot of sports action going on. - No, it's going to be an awesome summer. - It's going to be great. - The Euros have been fantastic. This, if Canada makes a run here, that's going to be very, very exciting. - It's going to be very Olympic. - Yeah, like the summer's rules. - It's good summer. - I always think low key, Olympics, World Cup and Euros, got to get on the same page here and schedule each other off years. - So every single year there's something? - Well, we'll have a one gap year so everyone can just kind of relax one summer. But those three are like huge international-- - Well, now it is every second year there's something. - There's either the Euro or the World Cup, right? - But we've got Copa, America, Euros, and Olympics and every-- - Break it up a little. - All in the same summer? Like, somebody choose a summer here. Choose a different one. - Somebody's got a, well, it's hard. Now the rotations have started, you know? - Cycle off though, cycle off. - Well, the Euro feels like it's closer because they played the 2021 and 2021 because of the pandemic. So it feels like it came around a lot quicker this time around, which it did, you know, by a year. All right, do you know the big thing coming up though, this week is NHL Draft? - A lot happening. - I'm disappointed the Canucks don't have a first or a second round pick just because of like our draft coverage. We have draft coverage coming up on Friday throughout the first round, second round. - We're still gonna be on though. - We're on, we're on. I just wish the Canucks had a draft pick to talk about. - Have we announced what we're doing? Are we, I mean, I think, are you replying to people or you're telling people? - Well, we had someone texting me like, "Hey, what's the draft coverage "and free agency coverage are gonna look like?" And I replied, but at the same time, I wasn't sure if it's like embargoed. - I don't think it's fun, I think it's fun. - All right, I was gonna do it anyway, so I just wanted to make sure. - All right, go ahead. - So Friday we have our normal coverage. I'm three to four, but then you guys are four to the end of the draft, which goes to... - Probably around eight, nine. - We always say it's, oh, it's gonna be like two and a half hours and it's like four hours later. The draft is still going. Saturday, eight, 30, you, Dan and myself will have you for day two of the draft. All the way through from rounds two to round seven. - Yeah, that'll be from about eight, 30 until noon. - Correct, 'cause I think the second round starts at eight, 30 or nine. - We're starting at eight, 30. - We are starting at eight, 30. - We're starting with the second round starts. - Yes. - Over starting at eight, 30? - We're starting, yeah, I mean. - Did you not get that memo? - No, I didn't. - Well, if you wanna come in at eight, you can go ahead and start the show and I'll show up at eight, 30. - We're starting with the second round starts. If news happens, we will adjust and those connects make a trade. - If the connects have a second round pick or they do something and then sure we'll come on half an hour earlier, but I need my beauty rest, so I'm gonna sleep in. - And the end Rogers is gonna have an outage that day. - No, no, no, they're not, no, they're not. - Rogers is a good corporation. - Why are you putting that into the universe, man? What's wrong with you? - And, oh right, 'cause that's what happened to us. - Yeah, yeah. I'm not just making this out. - Yeah, it actually happened, yeah. - It's the, it was the darkest day. - Yes. - They're very frustrated. - After then, on July 1, when you're celebrating Canada today, six a.m. Alfred and Broth till nine, connects talk from nine to noon with Dodd and Drance. Myself and Randy Jandle host a people show from 12 to three and then Connect Central three to six that evening for a free agent recap on July 1. - So we have a lot of coverage and the NHL draft coverage is brought to you by Oxygen, yoga and fitness. Not your typical yoga studio, so all the draft coverage you need and want that's coming up starting on Friday. All right, more coming up on the show. The Hockey Hall of Fame announced its class. We'll talk about that and more when it comes to your Vancouver Canucks on Sportsnet 650. - Hey, it's Big Nizar. Have your say and join me on the People's Show with big takes and even bigger bets, weekdays, three to four on Sportsnet 650 or wherever you get your podcasts. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) Tuesday edition of Canucks Central, Satya Arshah with Big Nizar in for Dan Richeo. And as always, keep getting your thoughts into our Dunbar Lumber text in the box, 650, 650. Tyler tells us, please go golfing on Friday hashtag Canucks news. Last time we went golfing, there were, it was me, Riche and Josh, Ellie, Wolf, or a producer. And Josh, a couple of trades happened while we were golfing. - Oh, that's what that is. - Oh, but it was like-- - I was wondering where that text went. - But it wasn't Canucks news, however. - Was that the-- - Markstrom trade. - Yeah. - Did the Huronic extension happen? - The Hornic happened too. - I think as well. - Was it that day? - Last Tuesday, right? - Was it the same? - No, 'cause we went Wednesday. - So it was the day we were golfing the day out. - So it was the goalie trades? - Yes. - Okay, the goalie trades. - I mean, stuff still happened. - It still happened, yeah. - By the way, we mentioned that I laughed at a text, we never actually read it, the text I was laughing at in the first segment, so I wanna go back to Raymond's text eight minutes into the show. Imagine telling oil of fans before the final that the penalty kill would be 95% and McDavid would win the cons smite. No chance they would think they would lose. - No kidding, right? That's a great point. - That's great, text for Raymond. - That's great. - Oh man, that's rough. - Yeah, I'll go over them, I'm just-- - But, well, well, you move on, better luck next week. - I was saying yesterday, that I kind of woke up yesterday with, I grew up in the suburbs, man. It fell this way for me, that if your neighbor did something, you felt like you would respond. They reseal the driveway, you paint your house. They build a deck, you get a swimming pool. They mow the lawn, you get a mow the lawn. You got to respond in kind, in the suburban culture. If the oilers had won the cup, man, I was a little nervous yesterday. It wouldn't have been good for cocks fans. - They would not have been very happy, no. And it would have been, it would have created a lot of-- - Well, I wouldn't say pressure, but like this expectation. - I think it kicks up the urgency. Everyone wants us to be like, yeah, you know what? It's great, we wanna see a Canadian team win the cup again, and then all the eyes turns towards your team. - If someone plants that flag, and it doesn't, and look, I don't think it's that big of a deal to 30 years and all that sort of stuff, it just like whoever wins a cup wins a cup. But it's a talking point for others. I can't control the rest of the nation of how they talk, and people are gonna use that as a slight. It's like, well, where are the one that brought it back? - Well, I do think there is gonna be a special accolade for the team that finally breaks the drought, and I want it to be the Canucks. - 100%, yeah. - And hopefully the Canucks do it next season. And if not next year, it's not a Canadian team that wins in a year afterwards. - I'd be a little worried if I was in all this fan here about their roster construction this summer. - Oh, you think Leon's gonna be like, you know what, guys, I'm good. - I kinda think like, is that gonna be the, okay, so in terms of the biggest, the biggest, most shocking news that's reasonably possible this offseason, reasonably possible, would that be Leon Dreyseidel indicating to Edmonton that he's not expecting? - I want like $14 million. - He doesn't, no, he doesn't have to go check and says, hey, guys, like, I'm not resigning here. That to me would be like the biggest, the biggest blockbuster bombshell of the summer. I'm not anticipating that's going to happen, but that would be it, right? - Even if they resign, I mean, he comes back. I think it's gonna be, this might have been the best chance. - Yes, I mean, honestly, we say those things, like last year or two, we're in Florida. I don't think anybody expected them to be back, and then they had a great start to the year, and the team looked like they were really strong, so I would hesitate to say that, but it gets a lot more complicated. Like, significantly more complicated. - Yeah, and they have seven forward sign right now. - And they don't have a lot of cap space. - Now, they'll buy out Jack Campbell. - But even so, like even so, it's like-- - I think it opens up $3.9 to $3.7 million for them. This first off season, but that means there's money on the books then moving forward for them. So that opens up some space, so they'll have close to, you know, $14 million, but they have seven forward sign, five demand, and then one goldie to sign. - I mean, they have enough money to fill out the roster, not add meaningful pieces. - That's the thing. - It's like, are they getting better? - Yeah, it's gonna be hard, and they spend some capital, right? And I still wouldn't count them out, but I think-- - They're always gonna be a threat, 'cause they'll have those two guys. - I think this question just comes down to what is Leon Dreyseld all going to do this summer? - Yeah. - That's the Lynchpin move. - And I mean, if I had to put money on it, I would expect he does extend, but $14 million or something like that? - Yeah. - But yeah, that's, it's gonna be interesting. It's tough to get back. It's really, really tough to get back. And if just looking at it pragmatically, I imagine there's some angst, obviously, there in Edmonton, but I imagine there's some concern, like, man, it's, we got at least five forwards to sign. - Yeah. - And it might be a real, like Fogle's gone. Brown, which I, Fogle's deal is up, Brown's deal is up, Henrik, obviously, free agent. Yeah, Mark, free agent. Like, they got some decent performance to some guys. - Yeah. No, it's a lot of work ahead for the Edmonton Oilers, and we'll see if they can get their big star, one of the big, one of the two big stars, Leon Dreyseld all signed to a contract extension. At some point this summer coming off a bargain contract, 8.5 million per season. You know he's gonna be, he's gonna be, he's going to be the highest paid player in the league, isn't he? When he signed his next deal, can you give him more, like, you kinda have to get more than Matthews? - How much is Matthews? - 13. - He was 13-4, right? - You kinda have to, don't you? - Yeah, I guess so, yeah. - He's so good in the playoffs. - Right? Like, I think you kinda have to, and then you give McDavid even more. The year afterwards, you know? And if Dreyseld will stay-- - 5.25 for Matthews. - He's probably getting 13.5. - Yeah, that little, a little bit more. - Just a little bit more. - And maybe slightly, and then it's-- - And it's a honor that resets it all in two years. - He's like 14.5 or 15 even, right? That's kinda would be the guess. - Depends on how high the cap goes up. - Does he get the most total money? - Total money, though. - He might, he might. - That's the thing. - A final take on, let's get one more thing in on the Cup Final before we go to the Hockey Hall of Fame. Austin and Langley asks us this question. You guys got any takes on a smite voting, Euler fans, I mean, media getting votes in? Austin and Langley. Yeah, okay, I have a quick thought on this. - Great layup, Austin. - Yeah, great layup, thank you. I mean, we weren't gonna get to this unless we asked us. It's embarrassing. Like, it's embarrassing. I think there are a lot of good people in the Edmonton media. There are, I think there are people covering that team and the league that are very good at their jobs, and I don't wanna brush the Edmonton media with the same, you know, the same brush I don't want to paint them with the same brush here. But they've kind of showed their ass a little bit, some of them, throughout this. Like, some articles are written, certain things that were kind of said. - You're not using the same brush that was used by Edmonton in round two. - No, I am not, now I'm not, right? Jim Matheson voted McDavid to win the consummate, his first vote, okay, fine, sure. The second vote he had went to Zach Hyman. Okay, is that okay? - I mean, okay, sure. The third one went to Evan Bouchard. This is a guy covering the National Hockey League Stanley Cup final. - Didn't vote for one player on the winning team. - No, and like, those are the three Oilers you're picking? And I think Hyman's been fine, it's fantastic. Like, to me, like, you're not being objective. You're not fulfilling the duties of the job when that's the battle you put in for the Kaunce Mike. It's just not. And I don't wanna sit here and take shots at other media people, but it's like, it puts into question your credibility as what's supposed to be as impartial and unobservable as possible. You can be a fan of the team, it's okay. But you have to be impartial in how you present, especially having the honor of voting on a major award. - To dictate the histories of the league. - And that's the homer I picked you're making? Like, the McDavid one's fine, that's fine. But that to me is embarrassing, and people like that should not be allowed to vote again in the hockey all of Fame voting. I mean, sorry, the Kaunce Mike voting. That is the value of transparency with the award voting, which we get to see who like, that's the value of it. And then contrasting it to the lack of transparency on the hockey hall of fame, it's been a kind of a rough 24 hours, therefore sports writers and hockey writers because I still do not understand how and why Alex McGoonley once again gets passed over for the hockey hall of fame. This is like we've been a station for seven years. We've brought this up many times. And every year we still have the same conversation point. And it's worth mentioning every time because he's earned the right to go in there. It's not as if the counting stats are poor. You've got a 76 gold season on your resume. You've got two 50 gold seasons on your resume. You won a cup, you've been a fantastic player. I don't need to say the resume to people of Vancouver. They're very aware. He should be in the hockey hall of fame. Every year we have the same thing and it's worth mentioning because you can't just be quiet about this anymore. That guy deserves to be in the hockey hall of fame. And even if it was a close tie break or you're like this guy, you can't see him and does he really go in? The value to me that he brings is he helped change the game. And I think there is a bigger impact than, oh, just how did you look on the ice? If you can change the way we think about the game or if you can fundamentally change what happens in the league, that's a huge credit and the breakthrough Russian. That is immeasurable to me. The league looks different because someone had the courage and I would only should be in the hall of fame. - Yeah, absolutely. - Real simple. So the people that got into the hall of fame, I'm not taking it, I don't like crapping on people that are going into the hockey hall of fame. Like it's great day. - Yeah. - Paladadesuk is going in. Jeremy Roanick, J-Webb. - Awesome, awesome. - Dave Soil, Colin Campbell. Maybe not as awesome. - Not like someone else's. - Chrissy Wendell-Pole and Natalie Darwitz, two women American hockey players, they're also going into the hockey hall of fame. Jeremy Roanick and Mogilini are very interesting because I think in his prime, Mogilini was a better player than Roanick was. Their numbers are similar. Roanick has more goals, more points. However, the goals per game and points per game is superior for Mogilini. And neither player won like a major award. Neither player was really considered the best, perhaps at their position, like one of the best, right? Neither player had this long track record or consistently scoring 50 goals. Like Roanick was really good in what the first 70 years of his career had a few hundred point years. And he was still good, but the reason he got to his numbers was because of the longevity of his career. And he still scored like 20-some goals into his 30s or whatever it was. But if Roanick is getting in as a popular American player who had a great influence on American players-- - I will say that's the big thing, yeah. - And that matters, right? If that's the reason Roanick's getting in, why is Mogilini not getting in? - That's the big thing. - I think if Roanick's getting in and it's fine for him to get in, I'm not saying he shouldn't get in. But if he's getting in, why is Mogilini not getting in? - Yeah, I think maybe sometimes we're too much in the Canadian bubble and we have missed or ignored the impacts on American players have had, right? 'Cause the growth of the game down south is important, right? It has to get better. But I do think like culturally and what he did for American hockey, he certainly had a big say in that. And so like I get the Roanick one, but yeah, I still do not understand the Mogilini snub at all. - Yeah, so that's it on the hockey, hockey, Hall of Fame. So Noel Alex Mogilini this time, but Shea Weber gets in and some people mentioning he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. His contract still has not expired, so-- - Hey, his contract's a Hall of Famer. - He's still a Hall of Famer. - Ooh, 110 million, 14 years. - Did you expect him to be a first ballot Hall of Famer? - No, but I understand it. He's like the prototype man. Like if you asked a lot of players, they would say, you know, I hated to play it against Shea Weber. And that to me like carries a lot of weight. He had three 20 goals scoring seasons as a D man. I think there's only 22 or 23 guys we've ever done that. It's a really small list. So like I understand the Shea Weber one. First ballot, yeah, again, he didn't win a Norris, didn't win a cop. He's kind of like the, if Luongo was the prototype goalie that should get in, Weber kind of the same thing. - Same prototype defense to Weber to get in. - Like I get it and Shea Weber was unbelievable. He was one of the funnest players to watch. - The most notable one for me though is Pavel Datsu. - Love that one. - Yeah, that's a guilty pleasure pick there. - Yeah, I mean love watching Pavel Datsu. - Three Selkies. - Incredible player. I mean, and he probably could have scored more than he did, like incredible hands, great defensively. I don't know if there's enough to be said. You can't say enough about how good Datsu was. Totally deserves to be in the hockey hall of fame. And I know when Datsu get inducted, it made you think about a certain year, 2002. A year that Pavel Datsu played in the playoffs. Wasn't a big contributor, but he did face the Vancouver Canucks in the playoffs in 2002. - I may have mentioned this before in the show or on the station as well in the past few years, if not. We certainly had a discussion amongst ourselves. I think one of the funniest lies we tell ourselves in Vancouver as sports fans. - I think the funniest is if the Litchtram goal goal doesn't go in, the clock's going to win that series. - They can or will win the series. - Or they will win the series. - Yeah, of course they can't. - Yeah, of course they can't. - The goal doesn't happen. - They win the series. - So why do you think they wouldn't have won the series? - So that game was tied 1-1. - The wings are down 0-2. It was tied 1-1. - In the second period. - And that goal goes in. - Yeah. - Game three. - Datsu has now gone into the hall of fame. There was 10 Hall of Famers on the guys. 10 Hall of Famers on the Red Wings. Now that Datsu has gone in. Let alone the other Hall of Famers that were the coach, the GM, the vice president, the owner, unbelievable. - But big upset happened, man. - You know what happens a lot? Favourites win. There was 10 Hall of Famers. Robitai, Chellios, Fedorov, Hashek, Oh, Ariana of Lidstrom, Shanahan, Eiserman, and now Datsu. 10 Hall of Famers. And we speak with so much certainty. It's like, oh, if that goal doesn't happen, the Canucks win the series. I don't know about that, guys. Okay, they would have had a good chance. - Yes, against 10 Hall of Famers. - But how is Dan Kluche gonna stop this? - Well, yeah, well, I mean Kluche messed up. - I'm not saying, hey, look, that goal happens. Like that goal goes in, okay? But like, I think a lot gets pinned on the totality of that series on that one moment. And it's a one-one game in game three against 10 Hall of Famers. - Well, and I get it different stages of their career, but guess what? They all ended up in the Hall of Fame. - And Hashek in those first two games wasn't great, especially game two. Like I think he allowed four goals on 19 shots or something like that. Like he wasn't as sharp in game two, but they heavily outshot Vancouver in game two. In game one, they also had the edge and scoring chances in the game, but Vancouver won both of those games. Game three, the Canucks actually, I remember like they put, there was a pretty tight game. Like there was tight, it was a first-home game, right? It was a first-home game. They won on the road, the first two games. But the more I think about that series, like I'm inclined to agree with you. Like the Canucks probably weren't gonna win that series. The sweating up to nothing. - 10 Hall of Famers, man. Like what are we talking about sometimes? - How many Hall of Famers were on the Red Wing? - 10. - Wow. - And the Canucks had how many? Zero? - Zero. - Zero. Just, you know, sometimes we love to play the lovable losers, like always getting screwed. And sometimes you could recognize you're up against 10 Hall of Famers. - And you know what? You know what it is. - Like let that wouldn't go. - Like I think, you know how I would say multiple things can be true at the same time. And I think this one is- - I never see that. - They're probably gonna lose that series anyways. - Sorry, I can say there's zero. There's obviously Daniel and Eric. - Well, yes, yeah, sorry. Daniel, and it was actually those two guys. I think it was a game two. Daniel had two goals, or game one was it? He had two goals and he was the reason, they were the reason they won one of those first two games. Was it said Ian Twins? - It was 10v2, Hall of Famers. - 10v2, that's tough. And those two Hall of Famers hadn't really burst yet, but again, Datsu had an either, and he only played four games that series, right? So it wasn't like all 10 of them were going ham at the same time. But I'm inclined to agree with you that Canada was probably Canada that Vancouver was probably not going to win that series. And Cluche still wasn't good enough, but I keep, he's probably not the reason they lost that series. I think people say he's the reason they lost that series. He's probably not the reason they lost that series, but he wasn't going to help them win this game. - I'm trying to absolve him of the entire blame, but can't absolve of the sin of that one goal. - Yeah, and he was consistently pretty average in the playoffs for the Canucks, right? He had the good series he had with the final three. Well, no, I mean, the three games he had against the Blues when they went down 3-1, he was good, right? - Sure, yeah. - And they ended up winning and then, he also coughed up the 3-1 lead against the Minnesota wild too, so. - He didn't really have-- - There were flashes, just like a lot of goalies that aren't topped here, like you can provide some flashes, you have some faults, but I think I always, in my age now, sad as I've grown up and you look back and reflect on things, I think sometimes we have to recognize, you know, there was actually a lot of hall of famers in the head. - How many again? - 10. - 10, okay. - 10, I'm not sure you mentioned that. Jeff Rose says, maybe you're a right pick, but we definitely knew we were gonna lose a series when the Littstrom goal went in. I can remember pouting on my old balcony at Intermission. - Sure, yeah, look, it's a huge punch. Just like going down O2 on home ice is a huge punch. And you know how you recover? You have 10 hall of famers on your team and you say, you know what, we're okay. We're okay, we're gonna recover. Because we have epic players on our roster and we're gonna be okay. - Is any team gonna have that many hall of famers at the same time? Plus any organization. - Like in Chicago, the Blackhawks are probably gonna be the closest with the red, I mean, even the Penguins. Perhaps when it's all set and done, but not even 10. It's not gonna be any of those. - 14 in the whole organization, right? Between like management and coaching. - Yeah, I don't know if they're gonna have that. - I don't know, man. That might be one of the best teams ever. - Yeah, it was insane. But upsets happen. - Yeah. - Oh, if that one moment didn't happen. - Too bad. After RG, Kluche was Vancouver's best enforcer. - Goldy, not so much, still love that team though. - You can throw them, you can certainly. - Oh yeah. - All right, that brings us to the end of the show. So what did we do? Did we absolve? - Dan Kluche. - We brought to light the fact that that team you were up against was a juggernaut in a game state that was tied. - So we absolved Dan Kluche today. Do we absolve Steve Francis tomorrow? - I love that. I love that. It's like June 25th, 2024. You're like, "Yo, I should do." Let's talk about the 2002 series then. Dust their hands and say, "You know what, it wasn't that bad, guys." - Well, if Bick is back on the show tomorrow, we'll talk about how Steve Francis-- - We'll do that one tomorrow. - We'll talk Steve Francis tomorrow. And I wish I was kidding, I'm not. All right, thanks everybody. - I did come at two. - He does. Thanks to everybody for listening, participating on the show. Always a pleasure. We can't wait to be back at it again. Tomorrow, Satyar Shah, with Bickness, our special shout to Josh Elliott-Wolf and Ben Bastren, our producers today. You've been listening to Connect Central.
