[MUSIC] Back in the Kintech Studio, it's Dan Reicho, Satyar Shah. Here on Kannock Central. [MUSIC] Still a lot to get to. Raymond with this text, we need Dan to convince teams. Mikayev's bad stats are because he had to baby sit Kuzmenko for half the season. So is Kuzmenko's fault again? Uh, yeah. Blame Kuzi, poor Kuzi. [LAUGH] Mikayev just completely went to the tank. And that tank continued to sink after Kuzmenko left, so certainly did. Guess Raymond's not gonna let one of those bad takes by me. Get forgotten. And I appreciate that. We like when our listeners hold this accountable. No, we don't. [LAUGH] Speak for yourself. Dan Reicho, Satyar Shah. Let's bring in our next guest. It is Cam Robinson joining us here on Kannock Central. Content director for Elite Prospects and director of film scouting at EP Ringside. What's happening, Cam? How are you? I'm doing well, boys. How are you doing? Uh, we're good. We haven't talked as much about the draft this year because, uh, well, the Kannock's, uh, we're actually good. And they, they don't have a, a pick in the first two rounds. So that, that also plays, plays a part here. So let's, let's start on the Kannock's current prospect pool and, and your take on it. Of course, Lekoramaki, uh, is, uh, probably at the top of it had an incredible season. We just heard from, from Jim Rutherford that, you know, at the very least Lekoramaki's gonna have a chance to impress them come training camp time is, is Lekoramaki, did he have that strong of a season that the NHL is a real possibility for him come next year? Well, I mean, anything's possible. He, he definitely had a major bounce back season. Um, he did pretty much everything you'd want to see from a, a player of his caliber. Um, he was shooting the park more. He was scoring more. Uh, you know, you was obviously excellent at the world juniors being the MVP there, despite losing in that gold medal game. Um, you know, getting a look in the age out late in the season two and he wasn't overwhelmed. Uh, my, the thing that I probably impressed me the most, and especially when I was over there and Sweden watching them at the world juniors, but just how much harder his game was looking like he was finishing checks. He was driving to the net front. He was taken whack and he was giving him back. Um, there's a lot more snarl to his game and, uh, for a player with the skill level that he has, and you know, he's a little bit undersized on the weight scale. It's good to see a little bit of tenacity coming from him. I think that really breeds well for his future success. So, you know, he has that kind of distinguishing skill set that is lacking in the Canucks organization, that one shot goal scoring ability that, you know, arguably, that's, that's kind of Brock Besser and that's it at this point. Um, so, you know, realistically, do I think he's ready to slip into a top six spot? No. And I don't think you'd really want to put him in a bottom six. So I think the American League is the best spot for him next year, but, you know, you never, you never discount a couple costs. And if things get hot, then anything can happen. Yeah. And I'm kind of with you on this one too. It's like, hey, you could be hopeful and you never close a door on players and they determine how much you should give them based on their performance, but realistically, maybe spending some time in the AHL might be the best moving, more realistic moving. As far as the Canucks system as a whole, a lot's been made about, uh, at least Rutherford was talking about how they feel like their system is significantly better now than it was when they took over. And it's not false, of course. And they feel like they have guys knocking on a door now, which they did not have in the past. What's your overall view of what the Canucks have in their system, uh, in terms of NHL readiness the next couple of years? Yeah. So, you know, they have the one high-end piece in the Karamaki, um, you know, the Lander is an interesting prospect in his draft slot and, you know, the uniqueness of his position kind of puts him near that category as well. Um, but yeah, as far as guys knocking on the door, obviously, you know, Lena Carlson and R. C. Baines, they're right there. You know, they're ready to compete for spots in the lineup and kind of be that up and down guy if they don't quite make it. Um, you know, I don't think McDonough is quite there. You know, I don't think Clema Bitch is there, but the kid who I, you know, I still have a lot of time for. And I think that there's like an energy line role for him. It is, it's actually a rat to, um, you know, he had the great finish in Avitsford, big body, the feet still aren't where you want them to be. I still think that he has the IQ and kind of that hard skill game that he could, he could end up being a really nice piece kind of on a third line. Um, whether or not he's ready to really steal that job next year on a good team, probably not. Um, and then, you know, they have some guys coming up the other side too. You know, Josh Bloom had himself a really nice OHL playoffs and Memorial Cup granted as an older player at that level. Um, you know, and then, and then it's, you know, DPD, a Leah's better than 2.0. Um, I don't think he's far off either on the blue line, like the way he plays is another one like everyone's kind of clamoring and cannot plan to, you know, they got to resign, uh, resimes the door off and he's. That's physical big body guy. Um, but they probably need someone who's physical and big body and plays more of a defensively sound game and that's what a Leah's better. Um, and he's not quite ready to step into a top six spot on a blue line yet. But again, I don't think he's much more than a year, a year and a half away from really sliding in and being kind of an impact player down the lineup that can maybe slide up a little bit too. You know, I think, uh, the, the player that is super intriguing to me is, is Vasily pod Coles and he had zero goals in the 19 games that he played during the regular season with the big club, but did have 15 and 44 with habits for this year as they tried to rework and bring back his, his confidence. I don't know if you'll ever bring back the value that you might hope to get out of a 10th overall pick, but can we see Vasily pod Coles and start to have more of an impact at the NHL next season. Yeah, I think so too. And I really liked what I saw from him in the 19 league that he took that the motion and he used it kind of as a, as a jumping off point, which is kind of what Neil Huglander did previous to that too. And so you're now you're hoping that pod Coles and can take the same route and he can jump into a top, well, top 12 role really just get himself a regular shift in the NHL and, and maybe start to find some confidence at that level, you know, you probably won't score 20 plus goals. Unless he finds himself in a really positive position at even strength. But I do, I really like his skill set and we see it in the playoffs all the time and we saw from Vancouver this year that having those guys that have some good feet can get in on the four check can cause some havoc. That's very important. And he has enough skill. We've seen that he has the pedigree that he could still bring along enough offense that he could use score some big timely goals for you. So, you know, the likelihood of the team losing a player like Dakota Joshua. You know, pod Coles in could step in and be a light version of that at a discount price to where what Joshua's going to get. That would be huge for the club. And that's kind of, I'm sure they're hoping that pod Coles in can do that for them. So they don't have to go out and try to find the next to go to Joshua. They're hoping that he's already in house. Yeah, absolutely. And I think that's, that's kind of the hope. And honestly, like if the connects are going to take that step and be a year in a year out contender, that's kind of what they're going to have to have come through the pipeline in the next few years. That next layer that's going to be cheap and playing meaningful roles for them. And especially when they don't have a first and second round pick this season. We'll see if that changes. But as far as this year's draft goes, and I think it's a really fascinating draft because we've heard so much leading up to it, that outside of Macklin and Silla Brini, there's not a ton there in terms of high end talent. We get closer to it though. Others would kind of disagree about that. One player who's kind of in the talk of the draft the last few days has been Ivan Demedov who finally came over and was measured and he met with NHL teams and everybody seems very impressed. And happy he's not short, Cam. So can you tell us about Ivan Demedov and whether he is worth the hype now that he's almost 6'1 as he measured in nearly the other day? Yeah, and obviously way measuring in a little over six feet. That's great. You know, he was kind of tagged at 5'11 and I believe he was lifted at 168 throughout the season. So that's, that's not a big winger. Now to come in at close to 6'1" and weighing in over 190 pounds, like that's proper NHL side. So he's as good as advertised. He is, you know, electric with the puck on his stick. The handles, the passing ability, you know, he has a plus rated shot with the hockey senses through the roof, especially with play creation. And he has a little jam to his body too. Like you can get in there and kind of fight through things. Now granted he hasn't been challenged in virtually two seasons playing in the NHL has been a cakewalk for this game. It's like he's playing in the BCHL. You know, I was talking to one executive and you saying, you know, it's not his fault. He was trapped there. If you airlift him into the NHL, he's putting up over a hundred points and everybody's clamoring for him to be a number two overall pick for sure. But, you know, at a lead prospect in our draft guide, we gave him shades of QL cappers off and I don't think that's too far off. Like, that's the type of skill that this player has. And, you know, cappers off plays a little bit like Sidney Crosby where he's got that low center grab and he's hard to get the puck away from. He can be defensively responsible too. And I think that that's what Demodoff could develop into. Maybe the high end isn't Nikita Kujirof level points, which is what people maybe thought of him early on. But I still think this is some of that could flirt with a hundred points if put in the right position. So, you know, hearing and watching you cover the draft is always some interesting names that pop up and there's always a couple of names that pop up from you that are higher than other people's boards. And when I hear you talk about Caden Lindstrom, I think this guy's going to be like the next best thing in the NHL. What do you like about this player as he continues to impress. I kid the Mack truck like just straight up he's 64 he's 215 and he is not afraid to use that size. Now some people kind of question that at the junior level it's like, Oh, well of course he looks great when he's, you know, three inches and 30 pounds heavier than everybody else. And he's like, yeah, that is an advantage for him. But it's going to be an advantage for him at the NHL level too like he is big time big. The hands are great. He has one of the best shots in the entire class like arguably the second best shot behind Eiserman. You know, he scored nearly a goal per game in the WHL he can beat you from distance he can get in there with his quick hands and dangle his way through and then beat you with a sweet deep. The skating is powerful already like he can already blow by guys and it's not lengthen enough like if you watching skate it looks a little bit like how I'm skating out there. Where I did not get my needs bent fully and not extending that that stride line. So you can just kind of imagine when a skills coach and skating coach gets the hold of this kid where he could blossom into because he hasn't had a ton of elite level hockey throughout his life either. So he's kind of come out of nowhere a little bit here the last couple of seasons and the upside is massive. You know, I put Quentin by field number one on my board a few years ago and I said it's going to take a while for him to get there. And now we're seeing, you know, he might have been the most improved player in the NHL this year. I think the same thing's probably going to be with Lindstrom is that you're not getting a plug and play player here. You're looking at when he's 21 22 he's going to start to break out to 60 plus points and all of a sudden you're going to be like we might have like a nightmare matchup for other teams to try to line up against. So for my money, he's the number two player in this draft. Just on that kind of uniqueness of his size and skill combination and playing the middle guys. One guy I've heard a lot of intrigue around and also some some some questioning about his overall game is Zane Parach, the talented right handed defenseman out of Saginaw. What's your take on this guy? Do you think he's a guy that can actually translate and be a good two way NHL guy or is it bit of a boom or bust offensive player? I think that he gets ripped a little bit too hard for his defensive play. I think he works hard. I think he and I think it improves throughout the season. There are still hiccups, but you know, there are with a lot of these players, especially the defenders right there. It's a difficult position to master and you know on his team he was looked at to generate so much offense as well. So he would cheat at times too, but he's a plus skater. He's not Quinn Hughes or Kayle McCar, but he's projecting to be above NHL average for sure. Obviously he's a goal score. He only scored over 30 goals in the NHL this year from the blue line, a really great passer, a great puck handler. And again, someone who's got a little snarl to his game, which I always I like to see that from offensive defensive because that kind of it shows a glimpse into their competitiveness, which is what you need to play good defense. In my mind, you need to be able to play smart defense. You need to be hardworking smart and have that kind of tenacity built in. And I think he has those. I don't think he'll ever win a defensive award or anything like that, but you know, as a pure shutdown guy, but he has all the tools in place to be a top pairing defender. I don't think he's probably a true number one, or maybe he's more someone who you play on your second pair and then he runs your top power play unit. But he's going to be a really interesting to one to watch because I know there's some teams that are a little hesitant about him that the production really pops off the page, but maybe isn't indicative of the level he'll be at in the NHL. Like he's probably not going to be someone who puts up a point a game, but there are some teams that think he might, that you know, he might be, you know, Adam Fox level, which is, you know, nothing to sneak at. One of the things I've sort of been thinking about as I start to do my draft research here, Cam, is I'm seeing more and more big players, but also big players that have more skill, have more, you know, mobility as well to their game. Are we starting to see bigger players be able to combine all those other elements that you might not have seen in the past for players that have plus size? Yeah, I mean, the fans might not like it, especially, you know, the Twitter scouts, but size matters that absolutely matters and we see it every year in the playoffs where some of the smaller guys find themselves in more difficult positions and they're unable to get to the net or to draw that penalty call because the list will start to go away. And it just everything tightens up. So if you have that size and you have that skill, you're going to jump to the top of teams list. And there's a kid this year, named Dean Latino, who's, you know, we got measured at six foot seven with a seven foot wingspan. And he handles the puck like he's a five foot 10 winger. So he's the type of player you look at and you know he's coming out of St Andrews College so he's basically playing high school prep hockey and going straight to the NCAA. And he's someone that people are like, is this the next stage Thompson that it's a project pick but like you could have yourself a monster down the middle with these electric hands and offensive skills. So normally a player of his ill coming out of that program like that would be like, yeah, we'll take a shot at it maybe in the late second, early third, where I could see him slipping it in the team this year if a team wanted to swing big on upside. So absolutely. And you know another one too like Michael brands a knee guard, a power center, maybe doesn't project to be like top six skill for sure, but I'll be surprised if he's still sitting there after pick 13 just because he has that hard skill. He plays the middle of the ice and he can be physical for sure. I also wanted to ask you about Tijuginla considering obviously you know the lineage with with Jerome again love but he's a kid was one of the youngest younger players in the draft right I don't think it turns 18 until August and you're talking about a guy who had 84 points, 47 goals, a 17 year old center and a huge jump from where he was last season to where he is today. Where do you come out on Tijuginla and what his ultimate upside is. Well I'd like to say that I'm the highest on teach than anybody but then Craig Button released his list and he put him number three so I've got him number four and I'm pretty sure Craig did that just to slight me too. I'll have more with him in Vegas. But I love this kid like I honestly do and it has nothing to do with the last name but I will say that you know spending some time with him over in Finland at the U18 a very gracious and humble person. Great character and unsurprisingly obviously coming from from that family. But I love the details to a game and so the shot and handling of the pop really pop when you watch his game obviously he's never met a defensive scheme he didn't think he could he could dangle through. But as the season wore on like his penalty killing ability his routes on the forecheck where he cuts off lanes for the defenders to escape and then he's physical on them and he lifts dick and he takes away. Like I see this is like a potential, maybe not silky level player but not too far away like his two way habits are extremely strong baked into this like really top and offensive upside. So I think a left wing, primarily the last two seasons in Seattle and then in Kelowna when he got moved. But I hear that there's there's the chance that he's going to move back to the middle of the ice next year is a position he could play when he was in minor hockey and really thriving. And you know he has the size the smarts and those habits to I think that he could move to the middle of the ice and be successful there to which only kind of increases his draft stock so yeah I think he's, he's definitely going to go earlier than pops in at 11th overall and then he'll have that over him for life. I'm not going to ask you for specific names considering the connects don't pick to the third or the fourth round so I'll just ask an overarching question about what type of quality can and could the connects expect with their first selection not coming to later in the third round. Yeah, you know I think that they're probably going to target right shot defenseman and center ice man because it's like why not why not pick those positions that are hard to fill through trade or free agency where you pay through the note. So there's a few players that I you know I could even give you names on that might be hanging around there when they pick at whatever it is 93 or something like that. There's a kid AJ's velocity, a six foot three center, maybe the fastest kid in the entire draft class. I'm pretty sure he had like multiple. I might be confusing him with someone here. I was going to say he might have multiple football did one scholarship offers to but has a jam game flashes skill as well to he's a bit raw, but you could be turning him into a top nine guy with with some patients. Blake Montgomery another six foot four, you know he's a draft plus one kid but just like he reminds me of Dakota Joshua. So if you could get him to be a little angry out there, that's the type of player he could develop into. You know there's this kid in the BCHL Jack Pridham that there's there's no good feed on on the tax you've got a high motor needs to fill out a bit a little bit but there's there's going to be some interesting players that are going to be hanging around obviously picking in the third round at the end of the third round. I'm sure the team is going to be like let's try to get ourselves in NHL or with this pick. So maybe they look for a little more lower ceiling higher floor so they can you know put their feather we got a player in the system that could very realistically be in NHL or and if they don't then you know then that's that's just kind of how it breaks sometimes but it's just a couple of picks I do think they'll probably lean a little bit on the paper side, but there's going to be interesting players and there's every year and we find them in the third fourth fifth round and all of a sudden four or five years later you look at them you're like oh man I should have gone away sooner so I'm sure they're hoping they can pull on those. See this canvas is this is why you're the best you took it as a challenge you're not the name names here and then drops like four names about players you're going to be ticking in the third or fourth rounds I love it. That's usually how it goes with with Cam I did want one more little thing because last year you know we haven't had a ton of history to go on with this current Canucks front office and how they go about the draft this will be their third draft class though is is there things that you've pulled out from what they identify in players how they evaluate players the time to players that that you think they've they've prioritized in the draft from their their first two classes. You know I'd like to say there's been some trends like obviously they drafted for position last year that was quite clear with a couple of right shot guide that's at three in a row maybe even their first three picks were all right shot key. So you know they're unafraid of doing that which is interesting to me. You know previous to that when they when they took with care of Matthew and Patterson, you know they swung on up died and then they swung on kind of safety with with Patterson. So I think this one will be really telling because they don't have many dark. So so I think this one will show us a little bit more if they've got kind of the brass to take big cuts in the mid rounds which is usually what I would suggest. You forget about taking you know just be like let's see if we can get someone really impactful because if we don't this player here might end up being a fourth line player we can probably just get a fourth line player off waivers or very cheap land for agency so those are easy to acquire. So I will really be interested to see they do tend to lean a little European heavy these last couple of drops. So we'll see if that kind of sticks as well but but yeah this will kind of really prove the metal of the scouting staff and and the brass to see where they're where they're kind of allegiance and why whether it's in safety or in taking those big cuts. He is among the best in the business covering the NHL draft contact director for elite prospects and director of film scouting at EP ringside he is. And thanks so much for this cam as always and enjoy Vegas next week. Yeah thanks a lot and if you'll give me a sec I'll just plug is head over to elite prospects and then grab that drop guys we've got a sale going 50% off of annual premium subscription to get access to all our writing or video all our staffs and of course the draft guide and everything fun so head over to elite prospects and grab that. That guide is like really good to like an amount of work you guys put in the detailed video stuff and I've watched a lot of you guys stuff that you guys put on a YouTube as well so it's really well done. I appreciate that. Thanks a lot Cam. Okay take care folks. There he is camera ovens and content director for elite prospects and director of film scouting at EP ringside. It's gonna be interesting as far as the draft goes I know you know thinking back to last year you know the Canucks already moved one of those picks right Hunter Bruce Devitch was their second rounder they moved him in the Lynn home deal. So this is a team offer like operating at a I don't want to say severe you know. They're like they're on could they've gone quite the hot hot run in terms of additions working out right yeah the case one that's not but no but in terms of picks. As far as their picks go like they don't have a ton of picks they don't have a ton of capital they don't have a ton of prospects high end prospects in the pool so it's going to be an interesting draft to see how it goes for the Vancouver Canucks but it might also just be very uneventful because their first pick is in until the third round yeah and we always talk about maybe the ad picks but it's usually really hard to add picks they're the price for draft picks go up. They're they're adding the first round was moving Phillip Ronik yeah if they couldn't find a contract negotiation yeah and like I don't think. I'm not saying they're going to do this but I don't even know if Hoaglander would fetch you a first and like he's probably your best bet to get a pick because he's so cheap you can probably get a pick but you're not moving him for a pick. Yeah like I think the only way you move a player like him is if like you're getting somebody back. You're not doing it for a picker prospect. Yeah he's the purpose. He's not opening up cap space for you or anything like that right he's only making a million bucks so it's it's interesting but it's going to be a pretty good draft especially at the top end some really interesting players of course we all believe Maclin-Salabrini is going first to the San Jose Sharks and even my career alerted to that earlier this week. It's dad Rachel Satyarsha coming up landed Ferraro is going to join us from the golf course I believe that's coming up next on Canucks Central. Hey it's Mike Alford and Jason Bruff. Join us for Alford and Bruff in the morning weekdays from six to nine a.m. on sports then 650 or on demand any time through your favorite podcast app. [Music] Canucks Central in the Kintec studio Dan Richo Satyarsha. The leaders in commercial cleaning and janitorial if your workplace demands a clean environment contact JAMPRO for a free no obligation quote visit JAMPRO.ca. Let's bring in our next guest it is Landon Frowe joining us weekly here on Canucks Central. What's happening Landon? I'm literally trying to find my golf ball at the moment. So the snap hook came to fruition after we talked about it last week. It's honestly more than I've ever had it really come in. It's quite impressive about being honest with you. We brought it into existence. This is like the most relatable I felt to a former NHL player because I know the pain of searching for golf balls so they do it every single time I'm out there playing. Well it's a member guess too and we're kind of in contention and this is a pretty important one. Oh man. It'll be honest I think it's gone. Well maybe it's somewhere down there maybe it fell out of your pocket and it's just sitting right next to you. No don't do that. That's bad etiquette. Not that I ever cheat on the golf course. This has never happened to me before. I don't know. I don't know. Man I gotta stop. You know you just gotta do what you can out here so you can do it. 100% well we appreciate you making time while you're searching for that golf ball right now. I mean I know we talked about it a little bit last week with the Stanley Cup but like Conor McDavid's continuing to take it to another level. I mean this guy is playing against the best team in the league right now in the Florida Panthers and making them look like Peewee hockey players. What do you make of what McDavid is doing right now? It's honestly it's frustrating watching it it's like he is like he just decided that you know I'm going to take over this series. And you guys have set up a four of you know you have a cheat code on a power play breakout with them but now it's literally it's the entire game. Like he just is wailing it right now and it's so fun to watch. Again like we were talking last week of the things that he can do and see that no one else does. You know he's having a historic playoff run here and you know if he can get the two more games he's got a really good chance at. Well it's really funny because I don't mean this in any derisive way at all but I watch that sometimes it makes it look so easy. Like why don't you just do that every shift then. Like it's just he makes it look that easy right. Like I don't I'm not serious about that but he makes it look so easy you kind of wonder like why don't you just do that every time you're out there. Well and not watching them it's like you know obviously the high end stuff you look at and you're like you know a mechanic or you know other guys like that can do it. But yet they can't they can't see it while they're at that top speed like McDavid can and it's it's super impressive. And like thinking about the the the assist on the Corey Perry goal which ended up being the winner there in in game five. You know it's also at the end of a shift like he'd been on for the entire power play and I think it's like a minute and 50 seconds in and he still goes through four Florida Panthers before delivering that pass to Corey Perry. I mean I can't even imagine being on the ice for more than a minute and this guy's out here doing that at the end of a minute and 52 long shift. It's pretty remarkable like to even think about doing that you probably never even took a minute and 52 long shift in your career. Well not if I wasn't just stuck in the diesel right like that's that's all you can do but I mean the way that he can turn his legs that far into a shift. And not only that but be the driver of the play like it again like it's just there's no one that you can really compare that to. It seems like there isn't much anybody can really do to get in front of him right now either and you know a couple of days ago a few days ago there was a conversation around. Is he going to win the cons might even if they lose in game five now it's he's going to game six maybe they will go to game seven it's almost like how do you not give him the cons might with the numbers he's putting up right now. Yeah like someone else is going to have to have one or two unbelievable games to get that back from him now like you don't go on this type of a run with a team that's been looking to do it for years now they finally get their break. They have a couple tough series yet they battle back every time and finally get to the Stanley Cup fine on your down three oh and you're the guy that's willing your team back into it. Not to take anything away from you know their depth is really stepped up and scoring big goals and you know all the short like the two short handed goals back to back games like all that's massive but if you don't have McDavid with the mindset and just sheer will that he's going out right now they're you know the cups probably already in South Florida. You know the the the other's power play is really sorry penalty kill has really played a huge role in this in this series too and at least so far in their in their little comeback here. We've seen Connor Brown have some success but you know the way they were able to counter attack it's just you know that's been a real impressive part of their game and they've kind of shut down what's been. And won these games more so on special teams like Florida's five on five game hasn't been all that poor. It's just special teams that's really killed them right now in these last two. Yeah and David, you know but game four it just looked like Florida just had zero legs right like it just didn't look right from the start. You know it's going to happen they give up the one game that's fine. Then you get the last game and they had more legs but it's still like it's they're still on their back foot and especially on the power play like it's almost like they kind of relaxed. Like you're normally not seeing Montour throw a soft pass literally board to board on the blue line on a power play right like he's going to take a couple steps and rip it across. And just by doing that now you're easily giving someone a little tip of a stick and they're gone like any NHL penalty killers going to read that. And if he doesn't he's not going to be in the lead very long. No I mean I think on the PK too that's kind of been the big key for the Edmonton Oilers here this entire postseason run we saw it against the Vancouver Canucks we've seen it now throughout this postseason against Dallas and now against Florida Panthers too. Like what is it like when a PK you know obviously they have players that are performing really well but like you almost get into a groove sometimes like you know how you get on a heater and your power play is hot. Do you kind of get the same vibes on a PK. 100% like you can start feeding off of every time that you don't let them in clean and you dump it back down anytime you can add a little bit of extra pressure. And you know just signing them up a little bit through the neutral zone like you just feed off of that and you can feel them getting angry which just gives your life a little more push. You know like you watch them even the floors you know they're very comfortable stepping up at the blue line holding the line making them dump it or or turning it over like they're just playing with confidence right now and you're on a power play. And you don't even feel like you're comfortable getting into the zone. Well now you've got no chance like you've got to have the confidence because if you don't once you get in you're never getting back. Yeah and you know they found a way to get to to Sergey Babrowski it felt like early in the series but Babrowski was maybe in the Oilers heads and now it could have shifted. The other way does that happen for a team for players where you feel zero confidence against a goalie and then all of a sudden you find a couple of goals and now. You feel like you've solved this guy because that's that's one of the shifts that feels like has happened here in this series. Yeah I mean they definitely found some holes and some things have gone in on Babrowski that you know simply weren't there in the first three games. But I would say you definitely feel a little bit of comfort knowing that okay like we're starting to get them in we just have to keep throwing it and doing well. But at the same time Babrowski's had some issues of very very good play and he kind of loses it for a bit. It's a tough time to lose it right now but at the same time if he can just get back to not are you not getting back to what he was in the first three games. Those are other worldly numbers but at the same time if he can get close to that again and they can just Florida can just get that little bit of jump back. I think they're going to be okay. Moving off the Cup final and there's been a pretty active couple of days here across the National Hockey League and the Canucks got in on it a few days ago. Signing Philip Roanik to a big contract extension 7.25 million over eight years 58 million. It's the second highest contract paid out by the Canucks next to Elias Patterson with this new regime. What were your thoughts on her own of getting that deal and do you think it's a worthwhile bet for the next eight years? Yeah, I mean you could just tell that it was definitely a priority of them getting her own excited and you know it wasn't going to be cheap. It's a defenceman who can move the pocket plate big minutes. It's proven that he could do it. So you're going to have to put a premium for it. Now first glance not not super pumped with the number but at the same time with cap moving up and things actually looking pretty healthy for the league for the first time since COVID. No, it's actually down the road a year or two, three years down. It's probably not going to be a bad looking number. And I think he's going to continue to get better. He's still young. He still has lots of upside in his game. You know, watch or listening to his comments the other day, just talking about how he has to get stronger. That one was actually good straight guys. Sorry about that. No, that sounded great. That sounded pure if I've ever heard a pure shout. He absolutely was. But you have that and all of a sudden it doesn't feel bad anymore. Like you're going to he's going to grow into that contract. Yeah, and part of it is probably as well. I mean, this has been mentioned in a couple of places, but Hughes made it clear to management that he would like Philip Ronik to stay and look, he was about to win a Norris Trophy. And, you know, when when that's about to happen and this guy helped you get to that Norris Trophy and this is now the captain of your team. He's probably got some say in how far management's got to go to make sure that they keep this guy around. And I don't think the Canucks wanted to go to 7.25, but it's probably those kind of factors that helped them get to that number and get this deal done. For sure. I mean, they would definitely talk to him about that. It's going to be his partner, right? Like the most part, like he's got to be happy with it. But at the same time, you know, there's no way that Quinn is telling Jim or Melvin what he wants. Right? Like, you tell him like, yeah, I agree with you or I would kind of like it to see this shake out. But at the end of the day, those guys, you know, they do things the way they want and they've done a very good job since they've taken over here. So it's kind of hard to question at this point. Before we let you go on the hockey stuff, I wanted to get your thoughts on the Pure Loop Dubois trade because it's been such an incredible situation. It signs a massive contract after a mammoth trade to come over to LA last year and has one year and talks of a buyout thing is traded for Darcy Kemper. What do you make of that entire situation? And do you think Pure Loop Dubois can quote, unquote, figure it out at this stage? I'm a big fan of it from the King's perspective. You know, to get out from that contract, I think is probably for the best. You know, it's not great when you look at and ends up kind of being Kemper for everyone that they traded the Winnipeg for, which doesn't look great looking back. But at the same time, you know, Dubois has been in multiple places now where he's basically been given everything to succeed and he can't find a way to do it. And it's not because he's not good enough or, you know, all those things. It's like you watch him this year, but he doesn't, he's a big body with all this skill and he just doesn't want to make that extra push. Like that extra play to get the job done. I would love to see him figure it out because he's a player that could be so fun to watch and it's league. But at a certain point, it's probably not the team's fault anymore. Like you've been three different places that you're not happy with and it's got to eventually work or it doesn't. And I don't think it's on the team anymore. He's got to make a decision for himself to really dedicate himself to the game and decide if he wants to actually play. Because if he does, he can be a star in the league. Yeah, like I think about that series he had against Toronto and the bubble playoffs, he was enormous when Columbus pulled off that upset. And then he shortly thereafter gets traded to the Winnipeg Jets and seemed like he played his best hockey when he was playing for a contract. And then last year was not very good. So we'll see where it goes with Pierre-Luc Dubois, but I'll let you get back to it. I'm sorry not to cut it, but it's just crazy just because I saw it earlier the stat of it. But like McDavid has more points on the playoffs than he did in his season this year. Right. I get that McDavid is now making an unbelievable playoff, but for a guy making the money he is, that's probably not OK. No, it's not good. Just 40 points on the year. And McDavid's what? 42 now in the postseason. Yeah, pretty. Yeah. Not a good look for Mr. Dubois. But now he's got to help Alex of Edge King maybe get to Gretzky's goal record. We'll see how that plays out. There you go. Landon will get you back to hitting more of those pure shots. That last one sounded great. So hopefully the rest of the round goes great. Yeah, it's sitting on the beat right now, sadly. It wasn't as good as we thought it was. All right, have a good one, good. Thanks a lot. Yeah, there is Landon Ferraro. Oh man, that's terrific. That is terrific. What a sound that was. That sounded great. I wish I could hit a ball. Just as pure as pure gets. That sounded that good on there the other day. No, because you know it was zero sound. When I heard it on Best of Halbro. It was the other way. There was no sound. I had the noise canceling mode on so it doesn't pick up anything outside of just the noise. And that probably should have kept. But I kind of had to. There was kids yelling and screaming behind us. There was lawnmowers going off yesterday. So I made sure to have the noise canceling on so the guys could actually hear me speak. But this one is different. It goes nice and quiet. You heard the birds chirping a little bit. You heard the ball game. That was picturesque, really. Yeah. A little bit of a different spot than when we normally play golf. You think so? I don't know. But shoutouts to Landon for doing the little walk-in talk with us there while he's putting in a good round. That felt like the golf channel. Yeah. He's putting in the air pod. He's like, "All right guys. Go 12 footer here. Hold up." Yeah, Dave is killing it. Yeah. Those never really go good when they're on screen. I feel like they'll always play bad after. Yeah. They always, like immediately after, it's just like focus is gone and probably one going way right shortly thereafter. But some good insights there from Landon Ferraro here on Canucks Central. As always, he's been joining us through the course of the postseason. And, you know, some interesting thoughts there on Philip Ronik. And, you know, it is the big story of the week. The Canucks, you know, made another couple of signings today. Cole McWard and Linus Carlson get done one year, two-way contracts for them. Yesterday they signed Mark Friedman. I was about to say Elliot, but it's Mark. Mark Friedman to an extension. So he's tied up to continuing being a depth defenseman for this squad. Ronik is the first big piece of the puzzle this offseason. Yeah. And, you know, hearing more about how Hughes potentially played a part here and making sure the Canucks got this done, it does make a lot of sense. And I do wonder how much they continue to want to play together and how that plays out with how management and coaching staff goes about this offseason. If it changes anything, maybe it doesn't. But it's probably, it's at least something that they know is a desire of the players. Yeah. And why wouldn't there be? I mean, Quinn Hughes had his best season of his career playing alongside Philopearonic. Yeah. You know, and they dominated for the most part when they were on the ice team. Yeah. And we're going to see them play together quite a bit. We'll also see them move off from the pair to from time to time, right? It's going to be something that's going to be fluid, generally speaking. But it's one of those things where players obviously want good players to stay. Yeah. We knew, we know that J-teens and other players really campaigned hard for the Canucks to keep allies lend home and the Canucks have made a really strong effort on it. It just doesn't look like it's going to be enough to get that done. Yeah. But the players really loved having her ownic around because he's quality. We were talking about this before, but forget everything about how we struggled down the stretch and whether people have questions about him being productive outside of playing next to Quinn Hughes. Well, he picked up all those points and not playing on the first uni-power play. And for his career so far, he's been a very productive player, even playing in Detroit before. He's a guy who can score as a right-hand defenseman and he's 26 years old. Those are hard things to find in the National Hockey League. And players always know. And when you bring a quality player onto a team, a couple of them, of course, those guys want those guys to stay around. It's going to be interesting. And hearing Landon talk about how Phillip mentioned he's got to get stronger. And look, this is a player. It's not just this year. But if you look at Phillip Ronik's career, he generally tends to have strong first halves and tail off as the season goes on. And there was, if there was anything to come from an interesting media conference with Phillip Ronik the other day, it's almost an admission of I've got to figure out how to be able to sustain my level through the 82 and into a postseason. And we know he's very driven because of the work he's put in in the off season, the past few years, and how he's transformed his body. And you know, we were talking about this yesterday too. And Alan Walsh was posting those photos last off season about how far along he's come from where he was and how hard he works. And I'm not saying he's just a fitness thing. Sometimes it's a mental thing too. Yeah. About how you handle the rigors of written HL season, how you handle the outside noise, so to speak, how you handle bouts of your confidence and that quite being where it needs to be. Because that's going to happen over an 82 game season, even for the best players. It's just the way it goes when you talk to even the best national hockey league players. I remember they've been talking about it at times when he's like, I don't feel quite as confident. It's like, how can you not feel confident, right? But it happens from time to time. But also he's 26. If the question for him is, can he become more consistent throughout the course of a year, but he's a quality hockey player, I think that's achievable. JT Miller was a player who was notoriously a slow starter. And then he's kind of put together a couple of seasons where he started a good man. Strong starts, and that's why he had 100 points this year. So I think you can put that together. And if he does, then there are going to be far less questions about whether it was the right move extending him or not. I also think part of it, I would almost imagine that if you look through most players' career numbers, almost all of them would be better first half compared to second half. And why is that? Because the game does tighten up come the second half. We see it every single year, scoring goes down after the all-star break. Teams tighten up, they start to get their playoff games ready, and numbers in general go down. We saw it for the entire Canucks team. The offense dried up post-all-star break and Philopronic was a part of that, but he was playing through something as we know, and he just wasn't as effective come the second half of the season. How much of that was part of his injury? How much of that is something as he talked about getting better at being stronger and being able to maintain that strength through the entirety of an 82-game season? Yeah, absolutely. And he heroics contract too. He comes in at 7.25. Like we talked about, like there's no way the Canucks were going to pay heroic more than Queen Hughes on the AAV, right? No chance. That was not going to happen. He's asking us a question here, does heronic make more money than Miller? He doesn't on the AAV, Miller makes 8 million per season, heronic makes 7.25, but heronic got the eighth year, which is something that Miller did not get. So Miller got 56 million in total money, heronic got 58 million in total money. So technically, yes, heronic got more money, and he's asking if that creates any bad feelings or anything. I don't think so because of how young he is. He's 26. Yeah. And AAV, again, JT has him on it anyway. So I think the most things do matter sometimes in rooms, like how much is one guy getting paid or not. But players are also not obtuse. Like JT understands, his contract kicked into when he's 30, and here's a guy signing him when he's 26. So I don't think there's any real issues with that. Where that comes into the equation is if two players are kind of the similar age, similar ilk, and then the lesser player gets more than you got, that sometimes ruffles feathers but it's like, what are you going to do if you're a team? You're going to never sign players to contracts more than certain players, especially when that number is lower. It's just with the huge thing, I just don't think kronik was ever an 8 million guy here. The Bruins got away with it for a while, where Patrice Bergeron was like the cap, you know, but at least for any forward on the team and eventually they broke through that because, yeah, there's only a long enough time that that's realistic to happen. If you really want to break it down, you know, when Miller signed his contract, it is close to 10% of the cap when he signed it and heronic is under eight and a half or actually eight and a quarter. So it's much different also when you think of where the cap is this year compared to where it was when JT Miller signed his contract. Even though it's only two short years, like we were in a flat cap era, then caps going up five million year over year, almost five million year over year. This season compared to last. So that makes a big difference. Yeah, absolutely, right? And I think one of the things people are mentioning is JT, is he a core player full of kronik? I just don't know how somebody who's playing 23 minutes a game for you this season is one of the top 12, 15 defensemen ice time in the entire national hockey league is not a core player. Yeah. Like he's a core player. Yeah. I don't think he's a number two. I think he's more of a number three, but still like number three defense was a core player. Like he is, I know he struggled in the second half. And I know the playoffs weren't as good as as they wanted it to be, but I see a lot of people saying Zadorov's better. It's like guys, like it like her own ex quality. He's a core player. He played almost 24 minutes a game for you this season as a very rare profile for right hand defensemen. Like I think it's one of those things that I don't know if people quite realize and I'm a somebody who was like not big on overspending on her own. But still like there, I think there is a little bit of reticence from the market still about what quality a player corona truly is. I want to get to a couple of the signings today. Alenis Carlson signs a one year two way contract with the Canucks also colonic ward signed a one year two way contract with the Vancouver Canucks. So a couple of guys that are on the radar as Abbotsford guys to, you know, potentially play a part with the NHL team next year, getting resigned to deals both at different points have been name checked by, you know, this front office. Even Coleman ward is as early as a couple of days ago when Patrick Levine was speaking to media after the Phillip Ronik extension. I don't know if either of these two guys play a massive part in next year's roster. If I were to bet, I would say chances are lean as Carlson more so than then coal Mcward. But at the end of the day, I think this is quality depth for the Canucks as far as young players coming up and two, you're probably going to go through a season where you have more entry injuries than they had this time around and they might need to dip a little bit further into their depth. So I agree. I think the Canucks have credible depth to fill in case of injuries during a regular season. Do they have the type of players though that are knocking on the door for more significant roles? Not really. And that's not to say it's not valuable. Like the Canucks went from a time where it was like, Michaelis, what was his name again? Yeah. Martin Michaelis. Martin Michaelis. Michaelis. That's your guy. Yeah. If you call somebody that's who you have to call up, like that's what that's where you were at. Those were dark days. So now you have players that are like prospects that can actually fill that on recalls and give you some time and give you, you know, stop gaps and stuff like that. And that's positive. That's really good. That's a good direction. The question is, is any one of those players truly ready to take a step? Can Cole McQuard break through? Yeah. Can Lena's Carlson break through? Well, McQuard is already like up against it because you have Ronik, you've signed Mark Friedman and Noah Juleson's still on the roster. They're likely bringing back Tyler Myers. I mean, you know, he would still be fifth on the depth chart as far as right shot DeGo right now. Yeah. I think it's challenging and assuming they bring back Myers. Yeah. They'll probably bring, they might bring somebody else too. And that's not a bad thing. It's good to have the depth, right? I think the same guys that are truly knocking on the door, somebody was asking us, uh, aid in a, in a gas, uh, was asking us about Max Sasson. I think Max Sasson is a player that doesn't get talked about enough that organizationally they're high on. Yeah. But another player that's maybe more likely to be able to fill a fourth line type rule than, hey, we've got this young hot shot scorer in the AHL that is just primed for an opportunity to fill in case of injury. Likirimaki is the guy long term. It's just, is he ready to do that this year? And the two guys really knocking on the door this year to, to maybe play more full-time rules would be put coals in and a raw two, I'd say. Mark McCallus, just an update. Mark McCallus. X Canucks played a last year with Zug Evie in the Swiss A-League had 13 goals in 50 games, 37 points. Chats to him. Yeah. Good for him. You know what? It's, it's good living played out there. I, I can't believe he played 15 games for the Vancouver Canucks that year, but he did. There was a lot happening. Yeah. And not happening too, at the same time. It's Dan Reicho, Satyarsha, um, Canucks Central coming up more on your Vancouver Canucks and things happening around the National Hockey League. That's next on SportsNet 650. Hey, it's Viknasar, have your say and join me on the People's Show with big takes and even bigger bets weekdays, three to four on SportsNet 650 or wherever you get your podcast. [Music] Man, it's so cool watching the Canadian soccer team and like massive matches against the world's best. Yeah. Like the Copa America is Argentina. It doesn't get any better than that, man. 70,000 people in Atlanta for this one. Yeah. Mostly Argentina fans, but I think Canada, the Voyageurs sent out a note that they have 1,500 traveling supporters. Attaboy. It's pretty good. I love it. Couple of Canadians shelled out, got off the wallet, unlike me. Yeah. I looked at it. We did. We actually thought about it as a show. Yeah. Can we actually go watch this match and do shows from Atlanta for a couple of days? My grandma lives down there. We could have had room and board. Oh. Man. If only Cam would have led us, you know? Yeah. I blame Cam. I blame the boss. Definitely not my bank account. I mean, he would probably let us do it if he asked them. We just did. No. We just decided not to fork over the money. All plane tickets were expensive. Tickets to the game were like 300 each, I think. Yeah. And we would be doing the show right now? Yeah. Well, I mean, we could do that. I mean, we could always figure it out. We could tape something. Could you imagine? He's like, no, you have to do the show by. That's how it goes. That's how it goes. That's how it goes. From here, guys. Just singing "Alle Rouge" as the game goes on. Yeah. Well, Canada's has some chances. They've had some looks. And they can't finish to save their lives. I was about to say they just scored for the Canadian men's national team. Oh, my goodness. Anyways, I've just never seen a collection of players just completely forget how to show up in front of the net. Of course, I'm getting phone calls right now. How to turn off their rings? Yeah. Come on. I know that I have a radio show on at the same time every single day. It's like the people you're closest to you sometimes? 100%. It's like the same people every time. What are you doing, man? Why do you call me between these hours? They will. I didn't know it was 5.30 year time. Yes, you do. Yes, you do. Or, you know what? That just shows how inconsiderate you are. Yes. And why are we friends? All right, call them from the Caribou. I think Canada has Mikayev playing for them against Argentina. Yeah. Had an open side of the goal from close and still missed it by 10 feet. That was Tejambu, Canada. Yeah. That's tough. A couple of questions here from the listeners that we'll get to in this final segment. I always like to take a couple, not a full mailbag, but a couple of questions. Mailback's coming up tomorrow. Tomorrow's a shorter show as well. In the lead up to Game 6, we'll have it on the station. So we're on just 4 to 5 tomorrow with a mailbag for your listening pleasure. Jason and Ladner. I noticed Rutherford referenced there are a number of players that could make the opening night roster from Abbotsford to the NHL. Does he voice these things publicly to indirectly let the unrestricted free agents or restricted free agent signings know that they can be replaced? No, I mean the contract offers you make, you probably get that point across more than anything else. I don't think him, that posture has anything to do with sending a message to the UFAs. I think the message to the UFAs was really bluntly said, like we kind of made our offers up to them whether they want to be or not. Yeah. Now, like we debated in the first segment, if you missed it, you can check out the round table with BIC, but we got in depth into what that means. Does it mean that you have zero room for movement or is a movement minor? So it's more about, hey, if you really want to stay here, maybe we'll go slightly to make it work. But if you have this expectation of us having to make this significant jump for you to stay here, that's not happening. So if you want to live in our ballpark, let's have a discussion about maybe some minor things we can do. But this is kind of the range. Yeah. And it's not changing. There's also, I think there's a mindset of like, look, we have to live in a salary cap world. You want to remain a Vancouver Canuck, we want to build a winning hockey team, there's got to be a certain level of negotiation. And there's a limit to what we can do, and we're not just going to give everybody exactly what they want or what they're able to get out on the open market. Hey, you want to go to a team that's got a ton of cap spaces willing to offer you more than we are? Sure, by all means, go do that. But we have to have the limit as a team. And I think the way he said it, it's like, there's nothing wrong with you going somewhere in the game where there's an understanding that there's, you know, business decisions on both sides. Yeah, 100%. And if that's going to be what it is, then that's what it's going to be, right? And I see a lot of people messaging and I see a lot of this. And it's not wrong about like, hey, the Canucks had a number of players who performed well in the playoffs, Lane Holm being one's, Adora was being another one, Joshua had a couple of standout games. I wouldn't say he was great all playoff game ones. Yeah, game. Yeah, two great game ones, right? But hey, hey, hey, he helped you win two games in the playoffs. That's still contributing, right? But there is this sense that, hey, the Canucks are losing two big playoff contributors. This team is not going to be able to replicate what they were last season. And to some extent, yeah, if you're not able to replace players and find some upgrades, that is problematic. But I think there's too much being, so much focus on what happened in 13 games. Yeah. And it's as much as yes, there are guys who can perform well in the playoffs and you shouldn't be afraid of paying those guys and those guys are important, but you have to be very careful with how much stock you're putting into those 13 games. Do I think the Canucks are going to go from being lukewarm on a player to like, we want this guy based on 13 playoff games? No, like this interest that keeps Adora was there before the playoffs. Maybe it emboldened their desire to keep them, but they're not going to all of a sudden put them into a different category of player because of what happened in 13 games. And it is the proper way to go about the situation. You can't overpay guys. And like as far as Adora goes, like, you know, they, I don't know if they ever really viewed him as a guy that's going to play, you know, always top four minutes. If he's going to command that on the open market, well, maybe you have to be willing to let that player go. I think the more interesting one is, is maybe Dakota Joshua. And if you do go and play for a Jake Genssel and you're able to get something like that done, do you search for, to the Texas point, a internal option to replace Dakota Joshua? As Cam Robinson, our prospect guru mentioned with us earlier, could that be facility pod coals in? Look, do I sit here and think because Jim Rutherford said it in this piece with, with iMac that there's four or five guys on Abbotsford that can push for jobs on the team. Like that doesn't mean four or five guys from Abbotsford are graduating to the NHL next year. Of course not. It just means that those guys are probably going to be fighting for a roster spot. And there might only be one that they're all fighting for. If, if, if you are looking for, if you want to think, okay, the only message he may have been sending by saying that is to the, to the players in the NHL level, yes, that, hey, you know what guys, you're going to have a chance. You're going to have a chance. And we see you and you are going to have an opportunity to do something here. It's, it's going to be in coming on them, right? Whether it's not too raw, too. Rasti Baines, those types of guys to, to make that jump. I think the smart money is on probably pod Colson and maybe Lina's Carlson to make that jump full-time, more so, but, uh, our steep and, and, uh, to Ratu are both going to be on the radar as well. Carlson's the interesting one. He had a really productive year in the age 60 points, 60 points. It's hard to be a point-per-game guy in the HL and he was so good that he was the first call up out of Abbotsford to make, try and make an impact in the playoffs. He played two playoff games. Yeah. You know, and, and I mentioned earlier this year that, hey, I think he's a guy that if he doesn't feel like he's going to get a chance. He might go back to Sweden. So this is a big year and I, and I wondered even some couple of little recalls where they, because they wanted him to feel like he has an opportunity here and maybe to some extent, but what he did at the HL level speaks for itself. Yes. I'm not saying he's going to be able to convert that to be a good a NHL player because there was such a thing as being a quad A guy, we kind of in that in between it and maybe that's where he is. He's at, but every opportunity he got, he earned and when you look at what he put on paper in terms of numbers, what he put on tape in terms of physical performance, it was all very positive. Yeah. The, like even watching him that first playoff game that, that he played and it, he played so well in that first game that it earned him a second game. Mm hmm. Like the game. He got the game puck that night. Yeah. There's, there's size there, plays well along the walls. There's a level of IQ there that I think they, they really appreciate what it's going to come down to for Carlson, like, I sit here and wonder could, could he be a guy that potentially replaces some of the minutes that, that Sam Lafferty gave you this year? Right. And, and while yes, I think there is part of him that could do that, one of the things that made Lafferty so good through the first half of the season was the speed that he brought to the roster. And I just don't know if, like Carlson doesn't have the pace that, um, like, yeah, the pace is the thing that's holding him back from being in NHL 100% and ultimately he may just have a year where he's a call up option. Yeah. Pretty much all it is and he doesn't go beyond this. But this is his chance. Yeah. Like if he's going to be an NHL player with the Canucks, he's going to have to assert himself this season. Cole McQuard is a bit more time there, obviously. Yeah. Um, it's, it's going, it's going to be interesting to see how they, they play all that out. There's going to be some players that they sign in free agency as well on cheap deals that could potentially be Dakota Joshua type replacements, but Jim Rutherford made it very clear today that guys got to play ball if they want to stay in Vancouver a little bit more. Yeah. And honestly, I like it. It's something, you know, we talked about just when the Canucks offseason began was the Canucks are going to be ruthless. Yeah. And that they're not going to have sentimentality based on the playoffs in the season that was and all of a sudden feel this need to retain everybody and pay them what they want. And we're seeing a play out a couple of other things from Jim Rutherford that were interesting. Don't expect, and he didn't say this exclusively, but in his answer about where they're at with Brock Besser, I essentially took from it, don't expect a decision on Brock Besser any time soon. He is eligible for a contract extension as of July one. And this isn't really a surprise to any of us, but he essentially worded it in a way. We want to see Brock do it again before we commit to a new contract. Yeah. And, you know, not to make it light or anything about a situation, but also like he's going through a medical situation now it's based on it's not this like he doesn't have like something wrong with him that creates blood clots, you know what I mean? In that sense, it's more, you know, stuff that's kind of happened after he blocked the shot a contusion and you know, so those those things can happen, but it's all about, okay, where is he going to look like once we get through the offseason? And yeah, you want to see him show up and have the same mentality as last year because I do think and we, you know, when we look at how do the Canucks build out their roster long term like they need another score and if they get rid of Besser, they have to bring somebody else in and you see how hard it is to find players at his age range as well is the best pathway for the Canucks if he plays well next year, a relatively team friendly extension with him, like does he get seven million per year rate years? So it's the JT contract, but he gets the term instead of the years. Oh boy. But he scored 40 this year. So it's like it's honestly like if you score 30 again next year, that number is an eight. Yeah. Like it, you know what I mean? Especially with where the cap is going. Exactly, right? But is there an avenue where because he's already signed two contracts, not to say he's made a ton of money, but he's made like 30 odd, some million so far in the NHL and we thought Canada just scored man, we do not score chances, like two great chances. Like what is going on? How do you now finish that? Sorry Brock Besser, but Canada shouldn't have been able to finish that too. And then and then Davey skies it. Oh man. There's a great save on Eustachio from a header just at the top of the area, the six yard box. And there's a second chance that gets skied over the net does does does the Sandra Martinez get enough credit for being one of the best goalies in the world. Every time I watch him play, he like makes incredible saves. Yeah. Well, he's insane. Anyways, okay, bringing back to Besser, we got to get out of, you know, we have a few minutes left. But yeah, I think your best hope with him is if he's willing to play ball, like does he say no to a relatively team friend, at least eight year contract in Vancouver, you know, like because of, you know, he's made 36 million almost for his career. You give him like 60 million over the next. So that's like almost a hundred million. It's not bad, right? Like it's a different situation from what Horonik was in and some of these other free agents, but maybe the best pathway is the most value is an extension for him. It's just, he's going to have to show it again next year. And that's where they're at with Brock Besser. The other part was a little tidbit asked about a Rick Tockett extension. And we, we discussed this when, you know, Tockett was, was asked about it. And there seemed to be some hesitation from, from the Tockett, at least some people thought of it that way, we learned shortly thereafter, there's an extra option on Tockett's deal. So he is under team control through this season and next, but Jim Rutherford, just making it publicly known that they're not really worried about that situation just yet. And they expect to talk extension with Rick Tockett come the end of this upcoming season. So that's an update on coach of the year. Rick Tockett, man, the soccer has just got me all up in my nerves today. Yeah. You had the, yes, I'm bad vibes going on with Italy today against Spain. Yeah. I knew it from the first like 90 seconds to be quite honest. You're like, Oh, we're not moving. We're just going to be bad, just going to be tough. Your center backs are inside your own penalty box the whole time, it's like, um, yeah. The wingers are there to support the full backs because the full backs can't defend Spain's wingers on their own. Yeah. The fingers, the wingers are not going past the center line. That's never a good sign. Yeah. You try to get a counter attack. There's only two players available in attack. Yeah. I guess it's not going to be good. This is an unbelievable match though for Canada so far. Like there's been chances, both ways, I mean, honest, Canada is playing with a high line and Argentina has spelled them a couple of times on the counter attack. It's been pretty wild. Yeah. I've been watching under the corner of my eye. Canada has probably had the better chances. Yeah. They have. I mean, well, no. That was a break away. That was a break away. It was a break away. But they've had, if we're talking high danger chances, yeah, I'd say, so I'd say that Canada probably has had a few more high dangers or big chances as they like the same song. Yes, big chances, big chances, um, but they neither team can finish so far. It's still no, no, which is a win for Canada. You'll take it. Yeah. Yeah, so like I like Jesse March as a, as a coach, I really do, like I thought he did a great job with leads up until last year when they struggled too, but I, I think he's like a really smart coach. I'm really curious to see what kind of adjustments they make. Like, is he going to be like, Yolo, I don't care, let's go out there and we'll, we'll just go back and forth and see what we can do or is he looking at this match now and saying, you know what, like we can get a result here. Yeah. I mean, sometimes, uh, I, I think heard men got into this a little bit too, sometimes where it's like, I get you want to attack, but also you have to be realistic about your team is. Yes. And that bit Canada a little bit in, in the world cup. I mean, it looked great against Belgium, but Belgium was vulnerable. After that it hurt Canada against, you know, Croatia and, uh, even Morocco, right? Well, Morocco was a disappointing match. Yeah. That's the one. Like, I, I, I live with the Belgium one and even, you know, okay, fine and I love Croatia, but okay. Yeah. But that, the Moroccan game was the one you couldn't excuse. Yeah. And you started to see it go a little bit downhill for, for Herndman after the world cup a little bit, the, the run to the world cup was unbelievable, but I do wonder after watching these first couple of games with, with Jesse Marsh, how much are you dangling that line of wanting, uh, to play a high press style with a high line, but also being realistic about who your team is and that you're going to expose yourself at times. And Argentina's been on the brink of exposing Canada a couple of times, but they've avoided disaster so far. Yeah. So we'll see. Yeah. But love to see it. Uh, Elhefe on the road to the ridge says, keep the updates going, coming boys. That's the last update you'll get from them from us, but they're at halftime now. So hopefully you make it home in time for the second half. Oh, you'll find my updates on Twitter, whether they're good or bad, otherwise we'll see what happens. Allele Rouge, as the copa, I'm Erika BV begins for Canada up against Argentina need to get second in the group and still some tough matches, uh, on the way against Chile and, uh, and Padawai. So we'll see where it goes from here. All right, for producers, Josh and Ben, my co-host, Sat, I'm Dan. You've been listening to Canucks Central.
