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While I did not have as a fantastic week as you did, I had creme brulee for the first time and it was amazing. - I didn't say my week was fantastic. - I mean, you have to see Sami Zayn do Yuck Yucks. - That was a week ago. It's been seven full-ass days since then. - All right, all right, all right, all right. You know what? Let me give you, take the compliment, Joe. - Fine, I'll take the compliment. And if you want to take the compliment, go ahead and leave a thumbs up on the video. That compliments us. And of course, you can subscribe to youtube.com/fightful or our sister channel, Fightful Overbooked. Nice off, Jeremy Lambert, get in the weeds every Monday, Wednesday and Friday, 10 a.m. Eastern tomorrow. I don't know who the guest is, but we're gonna talk about a lot of stuff. Maybe we'll even touch on some TNA talk about that. And of course, you can leave a super chat at any amount of question or statement read on the air. We'll read the first one in just a second 'cause I got compliments on that one. And you can do a humper chat, press to tell them the kids. - You use your fingers or your thumbs or your knobs and go to humperchats.com, that's H-U-N-P-E-R-C-H-A-T-S. You put your dollar amount. We get to keep a little bit more of that dollar amount. You put your comment in there. We'll read it live on air, Joel. We'll make sure that it gets read. And everyone's happy and we'd love to talk to you. So that's humperchats.com. Do it right now. Our DOPER will send you an official. - I would more likely send them a VHS tape as our bad Apple Jam tree beard sends a super chat asking if I have any more VHS tapes. So here's the funny thing. Those who don't know, that is a Joe Gacy reference. I may bear a little bit of a resemblance to the man who wears a pig mask right now, allegedly on WWE programming. That being said, I actually do have a lot of WWF VHS tapes and WWHS tapes and DCW ones. They're in my kids room. They are in a big bin that I mistakenly found that I thought I had gotten rid of. But it turns out, I never got rid of them and they are sitting in that bin and I would like to sort through them and figure out what to do with them. I don't know. - Take trade and bro. - I want to. Here's the thing, some of them are official releases and there's also DVDs in there. It's not just VHS, but there are some DVDs in there, some are official and some are recordings of recordings. So there's certain paper, and also like the network kind of lost value on these tapes because you can watch them anytime. But now that it's on Peacock, you don't get all the paper views. Like they're not as easily available. So I don't know, we'll see. I just had people saying a little, yeah, listen, I look like Joe Gacy, I get it. - Leave him alone. I've heard Joe Gacy, I've heard Scott D'Amour leave him alone. Leave him alone, leave him alone, leave him alone. Let's leave Joe, bro. I'll fight y'all, okay? He likes his mashed potatoes mashed. Don't talk about Joel Pearl, okay? - And mashed potatoes yesterday. - What's it, man? - Anyway, they were mashed. There were potatoes today in my dinner too. They were the round ones, the little papas, you know? - Oh yeah, he is, it's good food, it's good food, or whatever it did made out of. - Yeah, some good old Portuguese-style chicken with some roasted radishes and some cauliflower, some carrots, and some rice. - That was a well-rounded dinner. I had beef ribs and macaroni and cheese, 'cause I couldn't be asked to make a vegetable. - Once in a while, once in a while, I gotta make it right. I can't always, I make a lot of burrito-esque bowls because you have a toddler. Toddlers like things serve to them in bowls. That's what I've discovered. - Or as airplanes, I won't eat broccoli, but I'll eat this whole airplane, dad. (groans) - Thank God he's his own eater. Anyway, speaking of which, go get your free slurpee. You got an hour left in your day, 7/11 day. (laughs) Oh man, of course, if I was like.com, if you haven't subscribed to that yet, we'll talk about it later, big update on Jamie Hader over there, people getting some information and also getting weird, 'cause they, I don't know, people working themselves in the chutes, brother, but let's brother ourselves into impact. Tonight's episode, I said it earlier, largely inoffensive. It's a good thing, we're getting into slow and reverse work. We got a one more episode left until the show, don't we? Oh my goodness. - One more sleep until the same anniversary. I mean, one more show. - You know, so I'm doing next week's show and then I get on a train the next morning and I go to Montreal because I will be in Montreal from the 19th until the, I'll be there until Monday. I'm gonna be doing some, doing some interviews, doing some content. So if you happen to be someone who is listening in the DNA world right now, send me a DM. Let's chat, how about that, okay? How about we do some of that? That being said, let's get into the show itself. We found out that Frankie Kazarian took out Nick Nemeth last week to end the show, not Dirty Dango, aka JDC. And then Nick Nemeth caught it on, sorry, Ryan Nemeth caught it on tape, but he's holding up his phone and then Nick Nemeth beats up Kazarian, but there are cameras there. And that was the one kind of disconnecting moment for me in this whole thing. It's like, the cameras are there, but we're supposed to ignore the cameras. But meanwhile, there was the iPhone camera, but there's only one shot of the iPhone camera, and then they show you the beat down. I can usually suspend my disbelief. This was one time, Cresto, where I'm just like, nothing's right in this segment. Nothing looks or feels correct. Did you get that feeling or were you just kind of like, start the effing show? - I did get that feeling, however, I'm really good at suspending my disbelief. I choose to think of other things that remind me of things. When Daniel said it wasn't me, I immediately thought of WandaVision, and it was Agatha all along, 'cause here it comes Kazarian, like, (laughs) Now the camera thing, I was like, so what camera you looking at? And then I was like, you know what this is? Okay, not verbatim, but the camera angle. So please don't get weird and clip this out of context. But remember the catch-up predator, where they had those secret cameras, where they would be talking to people, and then out of nowhere, you see the camera running up on them? That's what I was thinking, like, yo, they got you on all angles, lying and beating people up. - And if that moment, excuse me, they had shown that, you know, production, like a bunch of cameras kind of zoom in, it starts with the iPhone camera, like it starts, I can't do it because mine's charging, but like it starts with Ryan Nemeth running up to Kazarian and just being like, ah, I got you, and I also brought friends, and it's like three camera ops, just being like, ha ha ha ha, that would have been okay, but because they did one shot with the iPhone and look grainy and gross, they couldn't continue with that. It just felt very not fully formed. - Okay, but also, also, also, also, hear me out, hear me out. If you think about how that shot is shot in continuation, it is literally them leaving, so there would have been production cameras there. So Frankie Kazarian would have saw them because they had just did a shot with the system leaving. So it wouldn't make sense for the cameras to be there, but you wouldn't have seen Ryan Nemeth, 'cause he's behind the van with a camera like a creep. So when you saw him, which I guess it doesn't make any sense that he would have the camera, something don't make sense, but I'm saying like, if you squint your eyes and turn your head to the side and do some style in the math and carry the one that you see that all men aren't created equal, it makes sense. - Yeah, given what you just said, it made no sense. - All right, well. - Well, anyway, the show opens up in the arena. It's the knock-ups title, open challenge. Jordan Grace defeats NXT's Izzy Dame. It is what it is, Cresta Starr. That's Izzy Dame's non-official catch line. - I became a fan of this young lady because bless your heart for trying to hit Jordan Grace with the whole, I'm up here and Jordan was like, "Knock that off." You try to out power Jordan Grace and she was like, "Knock that off." And Izzy Dame was selling, she was trying. I became a fan of this girl. I gotta say, her getting the only offensive was you running Jordan Grace into the turnbuckles. - Bless your heart, Izzy Dame. I would like to see more of her. I think she's got a bright future ahead of her. But what's the crowds on this chance and Jordan's gonna kill you? I'm like, "You lucky she put you in that muscle buster." And speaking of which, shout out to the both of them, 'cause it looks like there was a cold red that was supposed to happen, but didn't. But it transitioned, I feel like, it ain't turned an oopsie into a daisy, if you will. It transitioned to a grounded pattern and kind of looked like, "Okay, if I mess up, I'm still gonna beat you up." I kind of lived for this match. I'm a fan of Izzy Dame. And what y'all doing down in NXT? I don't wanna watch wrestling all seven days a week, but I might have to take a look at NXT on Tuesdays. - It's becoming a more cohesive show than it was even a year ago. The TNA influence is starting to, not the TNA influence, but the crossover stuff is starting to happen. I mentioned on Tuesday with everything going on with Joe Henry. And then, of course, the rascals showed up, Trey Miguel and Zachary Wentz showed up on Tuesday. Kind of said, like, this is the best time to be the guy covering TNA and knowing what's happening while I watch NXT. Because more likely, it's the other way around. People are watching NXT, they don't watch TNA. They are like, who are these people? It's nice to be in on it. It's nice to know the story. Jordan Grace also tweeted out, "God new height would make me too powerful." - I mean, I mean, come on now. - But also Izzy Dame is a tall woman. I think she's a volleyball player. So for her, she has a volleyball background. She's one of the taller women on that WWE NXT roster. So for her to come out, having a very good showing against Jordan Grace, she's still new to this. She was part of the breakout tournament this year. And that was great. Now it's time for Izzy Dame to start finding her footing because they brought her in and they tried to make her a secondary member to, I think it was foul and handling. Maybe not. No, it's just someone else that just completely blanked on who it was. That being said, they're giving Izzy Dame her own kind of character, her own style. And I think this was a good little moment for her that hopefully gets her more reps, gets her a title match. In CNA, working with someone like Jordan, it was a good way. Commentaries saying that the scheduled match at Slam Reversary was Jordan versus Ash by elegance. Had me thinking for a second. And then I realized, nah, they're just adding credence to the open challenge or maybe winning the title. And I was like, all right. Iceman, the personal concierge comes out, runs down the crowd and it says that Ash by elegance, I'm not gonna do the line too long, is gonna join by satellite, which is a picture in picture for 30 seconds split of Ash enjoying a drink on the beach in the quote unquote Bahamas, Australia. And then you had Rosemary for some reason, chasing off Iceman with the shiv, without the shiv, no shiv. - Chuck Grace makes relatively quick work with Izzy Dang. And a good match, fine, solid. - It's a good match. I just don't know what we do with this whole Ash by elegance. 'Cause honestly at this point, when I see George Iceman versus Jordan Grace. - You might, listen, I don't know if I said this here or maybe I said the sun in the weeds. I wouldn't be surprised if they do Jordan versus Ash. Jordan makes quick work of Ash by elegance. And one of two things happens. One, Jordan says, forget it. Give me someone else. Give me someone I can actually fight. And someone appears forbidden door style or prohibited portal style. Could be someone like Natalia because we haven't seen her in a while. And you know, as Sean's been saying, he's feeling, nothing is confirmed and nothing is official. Feeling like Natty is coming back to WWE or will resign, has resigned. We don't know, nothing's official. This will be a moment to bring her back. Have that's a shocking moment. Those who, Jordan Grace, Natty, they wanted to work together, that's great. I'd love to see that moment. And of course, selfishly, being their life, that would be great. And of course, Natty, Montreal, it's a heart and Montreal could be fun. And the other option is you have Jordan Grace win, call someone else out. And if there's a match earlier in the night that may be, I don't know, another Ultimate X match for the knockouts. Could be the winner of the Ultimate X match. But I don't know what's happening because that women's division is starting to show it's flavor as well. - It could be a debuting somebody. I'm not upset at an NXT person, even in Natalia because they were putting on overall commentary. They were never mentioning Natalia quite a bit on commentary. So I wouldn't be mad at that. I would, I don't know, I don't know. I wouldn't be mad at that. I feel like if we do someone from NXT, I think now it's time to bring in like a soul Ruka or not so much Roxanne Perez yet, 'cause we already just did that. But like, start bringing in your mid-level talent. I also want to say kudos to WWE and TNA for not just beating the crap out of TNA like AEW did. I like AEW, but that's what y'all did. That's what y'all did. That's what y'all did. That's what y'all did. And I like how this is working so far. And so far I got my evil eye on you, WWE. But I like that the people from WWE are getting reps in TNA and vice versa. I think it's great for both brands for both exposure and also for wrestlers to wrestle a different style. Young Lions, come on now. - There's a lot, and we've talked about the positives of this exchange. We've also talked about the questionable motives of it. And that's okay too right now. Because it's starting to kick up more and more things are happening, I'm willing to give more credence to different matches, different bookings, things like that. I wouldn't hate that. But overall, I genuinely do agree with you. This has been a stronger partnership than the TNAW one. There is brand exposure for TNA in this. And then NXT gets another thing that people are half talking about but half not. And they're getting a good look at some of TNA's. Excuse me. - Don't die. - Just had to clear my throat. They are getting a good look at some of TNA's top talent. And they're bringing them in and they're bringing them under their umbrella and they're giving them reps in the WWE style. - Yes. - And some of these people have contracts coming do sooner than later. And some of them do not, but they're still earmarked for transition to WWE if they so choose. So there's, again, it's a scouting report, but it's also being on TV and doing something fresh and different. There's a lot of good that comes from this. It's just all about how they tell the story. And right now they're telling a good story. - Yeah, I agree. - Could this turn into a world's collide event? You know what? Despite the fact that they announced Turning Point is gonna be at WrestleCade this year for TNA, I could see, 'cause we don't know where Survivor Series is yet. I could see that weekend being a world's collide show because I don't know if we talked about it here or on the new leads that time of year around that time of year is when NXT and TNA specifically start kind of winding up for the year and nothing means as much until the beginning of the year. - I could see that. I could see award games. Award games would be real cute to TNA. - I would just do a world's collide. Just inter-promotional matches, five of them on the card and do a big mixed tag finish. No, no wargames. Wargames would be for main roster. They don't need to do wargames. 'Cause nothing necessitates doing award games between NXT and TNA. There hasn't been a reason. - Make the NXT people do an ultimate X match. That would be hilarious. (laughing) - I think some people, I think some people with Wesley is free 'cause he, you were into your day. You already know how this works. But I would be interested to see a Jacara Jackson or Lashley. Hell, even a Obafebian ultimate X match for the memes, for the memes, for the memes, for the memes. - Obafebian, Jake something. That's the only match. - Me? - I know, you've been asking for it for a long time, but this will be the company that you haven't asked doing it for you. The idea, by the way, the one, if you're gonna do one championship going into the hands of NXT, it's gotta be the knockout tag team championships. And you know who wins it? Chew packs. Wendy Chew and Tatum Paxley. We saw Tatum Paxley against all odds challenged for the knockout's title. You saw her aesthetic. Wendy Chew is someone, if you haven't seen her yet, her and Tatum have struck up a bit of a friendship. And it rivals the one that Rosemary and Havocad. And I would love to see Chew packs get together and have themselves a knockout tag team title run. - I wouldn't hate that. I don't know the state of NXT's women's tag division, but I do know the state of TNA's tag division, knockout's tag division. So I would go ahead and bet my money on that. That wouldn't be bad. And it would also invigorate TNA's tag division. That's just me. - It's the right group of people. We'll see where her plays at. We go backstage to Santino Marella, who's got an announcement of the wild card tag team match. It's Josh Alessandro and Joe Henry versus Steve McLean and Moose. For those who don't speak Santino Marella, that's Josh Alexander, Joe Henry, Steve McLean and Moose. For some reason, Moose's name doesn't get rambled, but everyone else does. - That means Moose. How can you realistically mess up Moose in a way that people are gonna believe without you forcing it? - Call them Steve McLean. - I tried. (laughing) - NXT's Charlie Duncy, the captain of no quarter catch crew, takes on Zachary wends, beats them up real good. They recap the rascals where you need an NXT. I had a tear in my eye when it happened. It was so nice. And then of course, the match itself is fine. This match was taped before the rascals reunion. They did a pretty good job of getting that story to make sense because like we talked about here, if they were gonna do a Wesley reunion with those other two rascals, they're gonna have to babyface Wentz and Miguel and they did and then for some reason, the crowd was already babyface because Charlie Duncy's the outsider. They did, it was a good job. Like they found a way to make it work. Duncy has a gnarly gut wrench. He just grabs and lifts Zachary wends. Works the arm all throughout. Trey Miguel is selling really well on the outside, just the four lorn feeling and the looks on his faces. It's good stuff. Miles Bourne comes out, attracts Trey Miguel at ringside, allows Duncy to pin Wentz after a bridging German suplex. Simple, straightforward. And then afterwards, born in Duncy beat down Wentz. We'll do the backstage stuff. Duncy's been studying the rascals. He says, "Tavian Heights shows up. He's the third man in that no quarter catch crew." And then of course, Santino shows up again, makes a match for next week. The rascals, who will be without Wesley, they tease there will be a third man, but it's not Wesley telling you that now because once again, pre-recorded show, they will be teaming up to take on no quarter catch crew. Talk to me about the match. Talk to me about this whole dang thing. - Y'all trying not to cook me too much, but I'm gonna try to make an expert analysis here. I really enjoy Charlie Duncy and I've been getting recently into British style wrestling and that's, I mean, he's one step away from bare knuckle box that Charlie Duncy was out here really working. - Do you know who Charlie Duncy is? - I feel like he's related to some body. I feel like he's the son of war games. - William Regal, he is William Regal's son. Go ahead. - Yes, I'm like, this guy reminds me of like, just straight British wrestling, like bar for bar. The gut wrenches were nasty. I mean, I respect when's for trying to go speed and put this man like chip away, but that was not happening. That's a good wrestler. That's a, that's a man of man's, man. - Well, you got the reference. I gotta give you points for that one. - Listen, I sometimes on occasion do enjoy a mild amount of professional wrestling. - It's true. An older professional wrestling does she enjoy. - Just a smidgen, just a smidgen. - She's a real man's man. - I'm a traveling man. - Oh, okay. She was born a Ramlin man too. - And my popple was a rollin' star now. Yo, next week's the back, don't, don't, don't encourage me. - Phil Collins did a version of that song. That was really good. Anyway, the system is backstage. They say next week, the hardies are back in TNA. I guess that tag team at Title Match is next week. They wanted to add the hardies to the list of teams they've beaten and careers they've ended. And then Moose says he's impressed that Dirty Dango JDC is pulling his weight lately. And he talks trash about Alexander and Henry and tells Maclin to stay out of his way tonight. And that's gonna be the reason the system wins. Good segment. Nothing to add unless you do. - Now you said it all. - Wonderful. Exhibition number one contendership match three way because apparently speedball just can't catch a break and steady as to defeat Jonathan Gresham and Kushida. Good match, solid stuff. I think really the post match is what you got to talk about, but ultimately speedball wins with the ultimate weapon. What do you think of the match? There's some really good stuff here. - Honestly, this match was literally part speedball. Guys, can we fight each other? And Gresham and Kushida, like I hate this guy. I respect it. That's what I expected to happen. It was a good match. Like you said, it's really about the post match. I wanna know what's going on with Gresham here. I like this, but I also simultaneously don't like this. I kind of want it to mean something. You know what I mean? If you're gonna do it, I'm here for it, but let it mean something. And I don't mind him losing here to speedball because there were two story lines at play. The match itself was fine, but I just also, can we talk about the hand spit, the blood on the nose and to the hand spit, into the knob and hit you with the green mist? That was 4D chest. I gotta give Kushida props to that. 'Cause who thought, yeah, I'm gonna stop you from hitting you with the mist with your own mist. That was 4D chest. That was 4D chest. - So are you familiar with the idea of the quote unquote Asian mist in professional wrestling? - We were literally just talking about this. - The different mist colors bear different, they're different properties. So they affect you differently if you're hit with them. So familiar, it's just a familiarize with these. Kushida hit them with the green mist. Green mist is commonly used to obstruct vision. - Yes. - And that's what happened tonight. Are you familiar with the purple mist? - No, 'cause everything I thought, I thought the green mist was poison. - No, no, so let's go through this. This is now a history lesson for everyone listening. All three of you. - Yay! - Purple mist causes momentary distraction and memory loss. Roxy LaVoe used to use that, speaking of TNA. - I wonder why I'm so dumb, but it makes sense. - The yellow mist paralyzes the opponent. - This yellow mist? - There's yellow mist. There's blue mist sends the opponent to sleep. - I didn't know it did that, that's what it all means. - I need more blue mist in my life. Black mist is said to blind the opponent for several weeks. - The excuse for this one is the time to jury used it on Nydia and WWE around 2000s. - I feel like, I feel like Alistair Black used it at one point in the Fed. - Good, no, he used it all over, it everywhere. - And people were blinded for several days at a time. (laughs) - And then the red mist. The red mist is pretty straightforward. It burns the eyes. Gangrel would use the call it the blood mist, but otherwise, if it was red, it was burning, like acid. - You know, I think they all feel like acid, no matter what this you get sprayed with, I see a revolt. So, you know. - That's the whole point. - Passion, drive, and patience. The formula for winning championships is also what keeps your ride or die alive. eBay Motors has everything you need to maintain your vehicle and level it up to peak performance. Superchargers, roof racks, exhaust kits, LED headlights, and more. Whether you're into speed, power, or style, eBay Motors has you covered. With over 122 million parts for your number one rider die, you'll always find exactly what you're looking for. And with eBay guaranteed fit, your part is guaranteed to fit your ride every time or your money back. Because with eBay Motors, you're burning rubber, not cash. 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That's why driving while texting can be deadly too. So put it down, it can wait. Don't drive distracted, shifting to safe. A message from the Colorado Department of Transportation. - I'm trying to see if there's anything else about the mist. (laughs) Nope, those are the important parts. There you go, there's your history lesson. Kushida does get the green mist, blinding Gresham, allowing speedball to hit that ultimate weapon, like I said, gets the win. And then after the match, this is what really matters. Mustafa Ali and the Secret Service, they come down, they attack speedball. And then Ali says actions have consequences. He tells Ali, his speedball is being held back by the security, held down. And Ali gets a chair. Speedball says, "Hit me, hit me, hit me." Trans seven tries to stop Ali. Ali uses a chair on him instead, locks in a sharpshooter, and then stares into speedball as he has that sharpshooter locked in, security guards are holding them. This was a WrestleMania 13 build, and I really, really enjoyed it. This is really building up an exciting, passion-filled match at Slam Aversary for the exhibition championship. What do you think of the post-match? 'Cause that was really what shined in this whole segment. Ali's a scumback, clap, clap, clap, clap. I mean, honestly, this is, I've been a fan of this political shenanigans Ali has been doing, making speedball watch. Listen, I've been watching wrestling in modern times, not as long as some of you guys. So let me make my references. I laughed only because I'm a sadistic piece of crap, and making him watch Trent Seven to me was the equivalent of, I'm sorry, I love you. I just laughed, I just laughed, I just laughed. I'm like, that's all I mean. 'Cause y'all were really gonna do a tip with Trent Johnson, the VA hero. Ali, you're a piece of crap. And also, Raywell on commentary just making excuses. It didn't help, I noticed it was supposed to be serious. But I'm like, yo, this is, I have sports to detain. I was sports to detain quarter lot this week. I was sports to detain. - Love that Ali is being that POS, who keeps saying, you know, oh, here's your title shot. Whoop, gotcha, you're not to play for it. Oh, you want to try and say, whoop, gotcha, take it away. You got me looking at that. Tearing them like a toddler, and I love it. And meanwhile, speedball keeps fighting his way into it. I like where this is going. Speedball, obviously at home, is a huge, huge promotional material used for TNA. They've been promoting that speedball and PCO are gonna be doing a lot of stuff in Montreal starting next week. They're gonna be at local sports games. They're gonna be doing pressers. They're gonna, speedball and PCO are gonna be everywhere. So you can expect them to have a big moment at Slamiversary. I'm looking forward to seeing that. But right now the build has been solid and I'm looking forward to that. - Oh yeah. And I feel like, and this is just me 'cause I'm a fan of both these men. They could have been no build. I would watch them fight in the library, bro. Only way that match could get better for me, for me, for me, is if you add Jake something to the bride, then you'll say, that's just me, that's just me. Just because I want to see meat and I want to see people get their shit kicked in. That's just me, that's just me, that's just me, okay? - Wilch is instead of Super Chat saying, I know it won't happen, but let Jordan Grace face Julia or Stephanie Walker at some point. Well, Wilch is, and if you subscribe to Fightful Select the best five bucks in the business, you would know that Jordan Grace's contract is coming due sooner than later. And it would be surprising for her not to decide to go to WWE after this contract. The only way, the only way that it doesn't happen is if she decides to stay with TNA. I don't know if that's what Jordan's gonna do, but I also don't know what the plan is. Other than Grace, Julia, Grace, Vacher, something that could happen, believe it or that. - Dude, I think a Grace Ripley, I think a Grace Belair, Grace Flair. I mean, there's so many great things for Jordan Grace that literally the world is our oyster. But again, much like how I feel with Deanna Parazzo, I'ma feel this same way, and same thing with Naomi. Don't take them out of TNA and they do nothing with them. 'Cause I just wanna talk, I just want you to come, Hunter, I cannot threaten Vincent anymore. So now with you, just come outside, I just wanna talk, I just wanna talk. - Naomi was supposed to do media for money in the bank, but she didn't end up doing it. She got replaced by Tiffany Stratton. Kevin Owens as well was supposed to. Kevin Owens, unfortunately, his mom was ill, so he was at home, so that made sense. I don't know why Naomi didn't do it, 'cause she was also on SmackDown that night, so she was in town on Friday. Maybe there was travel coming out, 'cause if she's in Texas, anyway, not important. - Yeah, I was gonna ask her about Trinity, and I was gonna ask about being Trinity and doing the TNA stuff. I had TNA questions for Naomi, but unfortunately I didn't get to ask 'em, 'cause she wasn't there. - Yeah, I just get frustrated when I see people like that do so well in TNA, and then for whatever reason, it just doesn't translate to the Fed, and I know not everyone gets to book their own matches, not everyone has that luxury, but seeing how some people are at the top of the card, I honestly, I would just want to talk if you introduce Grace and she goes on this tear, and Charlotte, I think I would just want to talk at that point, I just want to talk. I just want to have some questions and I just want you to answer them. I just want to talk. - Steph DeLander just wants to talk to PCO with her love letter on the beach calling him sweet, saying that nobody looked out for her before, and sometimes the best things in life are in front of you the whole time, and then Steph says I'm going home to Australia to tie up loose ends. At least she's forthcoming with where she's been, 'cause she's on that same tour. They're going to get married. They're going to get married and she's going to bring Matt Cardona back. - I want to say, what's the loose end? It has to be Matthew Cardona. - Has to be Matt Cardona. Matt, I saw Matt Cardona at the GCW Toronto show. He did do stuff, he didn't get physical in the ring, but he did have a segment in the ring, so I'm just putting it out there. - Matt Cardona is going to object to the wedding bells. - That would make sense. That would totally make sense. I don't know why I thought like, I didn't know Matt Cardona was Australian, I was like, "Cresto, you dumb bitch." - The idea of Cardona coming back and costing PCO the match at Zlamore 3. That makes sense, it works. I still want my wedding. I just want my wedding. - At this point, I think he's got a pop-up out the cake, (laughs) back Cardona got a pop about the cake. And Joe, had you got to sing the wedding song? - Like we said, if it's not going to be Cardona coming back because I don't know what his timeline is, the only other person is Mance Warner, who is Steph D'Lander's real life boyfriend, Russell's in GCW as a GCW champion. I would love to see it, but that being said, Cardona coming back, I think that's a bigger, that's a bigger moment. - I feel like Matt Cardona is a safer bet. Oh, 100%. The thing with Mance is great. I would love to see the interaction, but it's not nearly as impactful, pardon the pun, because Matt Cardona is well-known to TNA fans and to wrestling fans in general. - You could even do a two for one. You could do Mance Warner, like who the hell is that guy? And then Matt Cardona still pop out the cake. - I would only hate that because Mance and Cardona aren't like super friends in GCW. - That's fine, because then we can lend out Chelsea and Greed and she's like, what is this melodic? - Chelsea's busy, Chelsea's too busy. - We're already friends. Let me put my twist like to that. - She's doing, no, she's doing very full press conferences before the show starts. - Digital media is full of press conferences. - Y'all saw the video, it's fine. Digital Media and International Heavyweight Championships on the line, I think digital media for sure. AJ Francis defeats Rhino. This was a very quick thing. The white Rhino's extinct line was very funny from AJ Francis. Again, AJ Francis is just very good at this. It's good, Swan gets involved early, causes a DQ. This is a very Santina Morella Heavy show, didn't need to be. He makes it a Philly Street fight. AJ Francis makes quick work of Rhino again, low blow, roll up, no need for the table. Post-match PCO comes in, lights go on, lights go off, no need to make the man come back to life, he's alive. Francis gets beaten down and then when he goes for the dive, he ducks the dive, Francis hits the choke slam on the ramp on PCO. There's a whole lot going on in this thing. If you have anything to add to it. - I know. - Then we move on, there's really nothing else. Giselle Shaw defeats Taj's deals. For those keeping track, Giselle Shaw is now being listed from Windsor, Ontario, no longer from Yellowknife in the Northwest Territories. She told me that she was listed from there, built from Northwest Territories because she was born there. It's good to know. - A tidbit. - Yeah, good little tidbit, I'd ask, and that was it. So now she's doing Windsor, she had mentioned that the whole story of Giselle Shaw's return is starting from scratch and building up. So I guess now she lives in Windsor, so now it's coming more into her own. It was good, it was a competitive match. These two, a former knockouts world champion and Tasha Steels, it was a bit more of a challenge, good back and forth. The denouement gets the win for Shaw. It really feels like they're starting to tell the story that Shaw and others are starting to move up the ranks in the knockouts division. What do you think of Shaw and Seels? - This match, they're both of them were working stiff AF. That being said, you said a lot of what needed to be said about this match with them working with Giselle Shaw. I liked the new presentation. Also, I wanna give kudos to Tasha Steels. I'm not waiting for the Sailor Moon girl to transform. I'm hitting you before the bell. I'm not doing that. Which I honestly, I think a lot more people should do. I don't care, I'm not gonna wait for you to do your whole life. If I'm standing in a ring, next program, baby, next program. It was a good match, it was a good match. - Yeah, and then backstage, they go to GM Miller. She's with Ziya Brookside, they watch the match. And then Ziya says she wants to beat up Liz Shedd where it's wearing her beard in her match two weeks ago with Masha Slanovich, and then she puts over how much she loves love and that she's looking forward to step to land her in PC. I just, Ziya Brookside being involved in this is like the most absurd thing 'cause she's just like, "Love is great, don't you love love?" And everyone's just like, "Yeah, you love's fine, I guess." But like those two and she's like, "It's amazing, isn't it so great?" And everyone else is like, "Yeah, no, listen, it's great." But like, but those two? - Listen, don't judge, it's love. Love is love, baby, don't hurt me. - I don't think those little lyrics. - You know, if you squint your eyes and turn your heads to the side and you don't know-- - Nope, doesn't work on the corner there. - No, not at all, JDC defeats Chris Bay, Edwards and Myers show of mid-match. The roll out, roll in roll out cutter from Bay is good. Well, extra, I don't think you need to do that. Extra rolling in, rolling out stuff. Ace Austin fights off the system, Bay takes out Edwards. Ace topples Myers, JDC takes advantage, hits a little topple of rope, leg drop for the win. And then they beat down Ace of Bay's, it's very sad. Feels like Ace of Bay's versus Myers and Edwards at this point. - I don't understand. I thought we all hated the system. So why nobody came out? I would be jumping the system every chance I could. - Well, yeah, I would too, but unfortunately, there's no one else who wants to jump them because the hardies come back next week and the Nemeths are nowhere to be found because they're nowhere to be found. - That's a sound astute observation. They're just running the tag division 'cause no one else wants to step to them. And then seven and speedball just got beat down. All the tag teams have been either looking out or they're just nowhere to be found. - Okay, that's fair. That's fair. I don't know what's happening here. I mean, I get raspal's got taken out by no quarter catch crew. - True. - I'm trying to think like all the tag teams in the back. Everyone's busy or has not. - Who about the Dean is? - Who's that? - The Dean is. - And the Dean is shit. - Honestly, that's the other thing too. You've got Ace of Bays. It's like they don't have friends. So like why would you come out and fix things with them? - What happened to the Bullet Club that they were allegedly in? - Ace of Bays? - Yeah. - They went back to their old things. I think we're pretty much. - Hey, like we just got Bullet Club on the give, baby. (laughing) - They're insane just showed up. We got to announce they're signing it. They didn't come out there. It's like, ow, let's give that some time, shall we? - You know what, that's fair. I'm asking too many questions. - I think we have a match on explosion to lose. - That's crazy. - I love Sinner and Santa. I can't wait until they start making them a big thing. And the good, it says someone in the chest and good hands just don't give a shit. Which is true. They are also the smartest tag team in the entire wrestling world. - Until it comes time to pick someone to align with then they're the dumbest tag team in the wrestling world. - It's fine. They got G.Y.V. a job in A.W., so it's fine. Well, not, it's not official. It's not official. Listen, whatever it is, we need to be accepting those friends, helping friends. Wash each other's hands. You know what I mean? - They're talking. I'm not reporting anything. Main event, Macklin and Moose defeat Joe Henry and Josh Alexander. Breaking Xarian comes out on commentary. This is, honestly, this was a match that was all about getting Joe Henry over in and out of the ring. You had Xarian talking nonstop about him and sometimes about Nick Nemeth. And then Henry getting most of the offense in. This was a standout match for Joe Henry, who, like I said, I have seen so much of in the last five days that it's kind of insane. But what do you think of this match? Henry does lose Alexander and Henry lose to Moose and Macklin. Xarian interrupts Henry going for the standing ovation on Moose. Instead, Moose gets the spear on Josh Alexander. Macklin hits the KIA. He pins Josh Alexander, gets the win. Macklin pointed out on socials now for the time being Macklin and Josh Alexander are one-in-one facing each other. I got to give a special shout-outs to Joe Henry and Josh Alexander for the past two years that I've had the pleasure of watching this show and covering it with you, Joel. I've seen Josh Alexander always put in the main event position. Joe Henry, right next to him, like literally, when I see Alexander, he's like with an Eric Young or with like a TNA vet. Joe Henry, right next to him side by side. Also, I need to give Josh Alexander his flowers. The conditioning to do 10 German suplexes, disgusting. I went to going up the stairs. That was amazing. And also, shout-outs to Steve Macklin for taking those German suplexes, not being not silly and still selling it like he did this match itself was good. Now, when we talk about the storyline to the match, it makes sense. I'm sick of Frankie Kazarian. Frankie Kazarian must have been sitting next to Nigel McGinnis or something because he was on his job with the hate tonight. Him and Raywall were super-hating. Some of all, Henry got a load of boo. I'm sick of Henry's song. Henry is like, y'all doing exactly what Henry wants. And Joe Henry, like you said, has been on a tear. So I'm very happy for this match that had happened. It was a good match. It just sucks that Josh Alexander had to take the pin. I get it. I understand right now, Henry a little too hot. Henry a little too hot. It's the same reason why Tony's throwing for a long time. She's just too hot. Just too hot. And that's okay. That's okay. I'm excited for this four way. I don't know if Henry wins it. I don't know if we're there yet with him. Yeah, that's why you're right. Oh yeah, that's right. Kazarian wasn't included. And Nemeth is hoi. That's right. And it's an elimination match, which makes it even more fun. I honestly, I'm actually happier. So the pro and con to elimination is sort of cutting you off. The pro and con to elimination match, the idea that every competitor has to eat a pin and therefore has to lose and go back and line is in play that I like. I don't like that it means the match goes from being like one fall to a finish. It can end at any time. It can be 20 minutes and we're done. It's now going to be like 45 minutes because everyone's got to get pin. But I also feel like how are you doing this? Everyone's starting in the match. Are we doing a Royal Rumble style? I mean, 20 seconds. No, everyone comes to everyone's in the match. Everyone's introduced at the same time. It's not over the top. It's it's it's. Oh, it has to get. Mm. I see. I see. I see it's seconds. If you get pin, you're out of the match, match continues this five way until you're down to one on one. Understandable. Understandable. Got it. OK, I don't think it'd be that bad because I feel like just hear me out, right? You can get someone in and out really quickly. Listen, I want to say you don't do that to Joe Henry, but if you wanted to protect him, you get him out. They all gang up on him. Get him out right away. I could see that happening even to Josh Alexander, even to a moose. Not saying that that would be the case. But you know, if there's ways around the way, I feel like it won't be so bad, but you can do like quick elimination, quick elimination, long, long, long, quick. Yeah, essentially a three way. You know what I'm saying? Like, essentially it becomes a three way with like a lull in between. Yeah, it could be. It could be that. It could be that. Yeah, there's a couple of quick pinballs and there's a couple of long, long moments between that. Absolutely. I can see why it might be. It's going to be either exhausting or it's going to be action packed. And it's going to be both at different parts. Yeah. Someone in the chat mentioning, you know, I wish it had been a king of the mountain match. I do too. I think Joel has been campaigning for that for months at this point. I've wanted a king of the mountain match to be just for number one contentorship. And I wanted them to do moose and Nemeth too, let Nemeth get the title. And whoever wins king of the mountain, they do a thing there. Could be Nemeth and Frankie Kazarian, whatever it was. But I also don't know what is going on with Nick Nemeth and how long he's sticking around with TNA. If there are plans for him to stay, I don't know. So with that in mind, I've learned that making this an elimination match does allow for that gridlock we've talked about on these shows to kind of get busted up a bit. You're taking six guys who, one of whom is a champion. So five number one contenders effectively. And you've given them the opportunity all at the same time. And if one gets pinned, they got pinned. They're out of the match, they're done. They don't get another shot so quickly. It works better than just being a six man match, like a one fall to a finish, six way dance. - No, I'll give you that because this is something that we both complained about as well or critiques rather on this show. Like you've got someone like Jake Something who really should be at the top. Okay, he was in this match and he lost back in the line. You have people like Josh Alexander, Joe Hendry, Macley, who should be at the top of the card? Even Kazarian, if he brute forced his way into it, even Nemeth, they all deserve to be there. But this is a great way, like you said, to reset that into the back of the line, whether Nemeth stays or not. Okay, you wouldn't be the first person. GYV was the last group I could think came in, did a whirlwind and nothing happened and then it was on their way. It'd be like that sometimes. If you are trying to protect Joe Hendry or keep Joe Hendry, I could see you putting the title on him, but now you gotta deal with the whole system. I can understand if you wanna keep moves over and then have Joe Hendry win again. But to me, it's a fool's errand if you don't put the championship on Joe Hendry before his contract is up. That's malarkey, that's Tom Fullery, shenanigans, and my flabbers will be gassed it. So I don't know where we go from this, but I do like the idea, like you said, it chops down all of that. So now someone else, like a Cody Deener, not saying he would, but like an Eric Young, not saying he would, but now we've got space for all these other people who might be like, "Well, you lost already to the back." - Yeah, it opens things up. And of course, for some people, a good showing might lend them to NXT for a title match. - True. - If you only believe. Someone also mentioning where's the heritage and legacy of TNA. So going back to the women, and what I was talking about earlier, with the gridlock that's starting to form there, Queen of the Mountain Match. - Period, I agree with that. - Absolutely. - Or at least a Queen Ultimate X match, I'll take that. - We haven't seen a Queen of the Mountain Match in a couple of years. You could do something with that. Another Ultimate X, we just did one at Hard to Kill back in January. You could do it again, but I don't think I want to see that more than I would want to see a Queen of the Mountain Match where it's been a couple of years. - That's fair too. That is fair too. Wasn't there like, am I confusing this with WCW and tell me from wrong? Wasn't there like a cage match where it was like a cage on top of a cage? - Yeah, there's a triple cage. - Wasn't last time, okay, all right. - You know, there's TNA does lethal lockdown, which was the cage with the weapons inside. - We can do that. That'd be cute. That'd be cute. It wasn't a reason to do that. Nothing's made it worth doing. - I wouldn't watch it anyway. I'm not gonna lie. I wouldn't watch it anyway. That's how it's bloody over there. - I mean, it is. That's kind of the, kind of what happens anyway. All you need to get bludgeoned in wrestling is a shoe anyway with a spike to you. - I know this is a TNA show, but when I tell you, I popped so hard 'cause Mariah made wasted not a second. - Talking about it tomorrow and in the weeds, not gonna give my heart to you. - I'm talking about it on Saturday. I can't wait. - Crystal, what else have you got going on for us? - Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, it's always a pleasure to be here with you guys on Fightful every Thursday with Joel Pearl. You can find me over on Twitter at CrestedVstar like Megan V. Stallion. I have my link tree in my bio. Also on Saturdays, I am here on Fightful with Iridian and Ricky Gove for All Things Collision. And again, I'm here with Joel Pearl for anything TNA. It's the Sam Mversary post show, I'll be there. Besides, I don't got much going on, I'm just here hanging out and I wanna hang out with you. So follow me on all fours of social media. It's CrestedVstar everywhere, like I said. Besides Twitter, which is CrestedVstar is a link tree in my bio. Joel Pearl, where do they have? I'm sorry, where can they find you? - I'm easy to find. I'm at Joel Pearl, J-O-E-L-P-E-A-R-L on all forms of socials. Next week, I am in Montreal. I will be at Slam Mversary and F-E-T-N-A in Backtapings in Montreal. Looking forward to seeing some friends, looking forward to bringing back some exclusives and some conversations. I'll be on the post show next week with Cresta. The TNA Slam Mversary post show will be live here on youtube.com/fightful. Stephen Jensen will be here, Cresta will be here. 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