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It's Righteous Reg, what's goin' on? - In the building, it's your favorite rapper, your favorite writer, your favorite podcaster. It's Saturday, it's Grap's a D, Righteous Reg, Media Man, all the things. Very excited Phil, it's been a big, big, huge week. One of the, like you said, one of the greatest hip-hop moments ever happened this week, and I'm still riding that wave. There's been a lot in wrestling. It's been kinda bittersweet though, I just wanna start out and sayin' Oakland, California, it's crazy outside, really unfortunate situation happened on Juneteenth at the lake that I'm at very often and 16 people got shot and somebody got stabbed. It's a very awful situation, the mass shooting happened at the lake in Oakland, California, so I just wanna say, peace and love to everybody out in Oakland, California. It's consistently Robin's season out here, Phil, and that is attached to personalities and tempers and all these crazy things that immediately pop off at any situation, so I just wanna say, you know, again, send love and peace out to the place that I live because it's not consistently that. I know in the news, it's like, if you are on the outside and you look at Oakland, you're probably like, it's crazy, so as someone from Chicago, you know the feeling of-- - I know what time it is, once it gets warm, you know what's better. - You know what time, as soon as it gets warm, everybody outside, people are riding on top of cars and shit out here, so it's like, you have to be careful around these parts and I see it consistently online of people coming and being like, we gotta stop this. I'm like, the people that are doing this aren't online reading your little takes. They are outside of doing outside activities and it's like, I don't know how to stop it and feel like you've lived in Chicago, I lived in Oakland, I lived in Bakersville for a long time, just awful gang violence. It's been our whole lives, again, I don't know how to, I don't know whatever to do to stop this, it's just the crazy space to exist in, you know? - Yeah, no, I can't remember who said it, but somebody was saying, you know, every time these kinds of things happen, all the people that are not committing gun violence get out and they go in March, but unless the people that are actually committing the crimes come together and decide, we're gonna stop doing this, that's the only thing that's really gonna make it change. - It's not gonna matter. - I do think, you know, there are certain things we can try to do to try to keep like some of these kids active and doing other things, other than that. - Definitely. But, you know, the people that are committing these things, those are the ones that need to make the change, they need to change their, you know, mentality. I mean, and there's other things that comes with that, but yeah, very unfortunate condolences to the families of all of the people affected by that, of course. - Yeah, no, you're right though that it's, I think it starts with just like, there's no youth centers, there's nowhere to play football. They take down the basketball courts, like anything that would do to change that and maybe help with that, it's just, they take those things away. So it's like, well, there's people don't know that like in-game and then that type of stuff, there's community, there's all these things, you get to hang out with their homies all the time, like there's all this stuff kind of attached to it. So, you know, it's wild. - There's a lot of stuff with that, that, you know, my parents or, you know, some older folks used to tell me at that time, that didn't understand and tell longer, but, you know, you've heard the lecture of like, nah, if you're just out with a bunch of friends just sitting somewhere or y'all are just in a car just going nowhere. It's like, nah, nah, nah, nah, y'all go do something. I don't care what y'all do, just sitting and y'all all together, nah, nah, nah, nah. - So many times, my mama said that. So don't be just hanging out nowhere, she still says that. - Don't be just hanging out nowhere, nah, nah, nah, nah, but yeah, yeah, that's really unfortunate. We haven't had any, you know, really bad reports of it recently with Chicago, but I know what time it is. It's warm, it's incredibly hot here. It's been 90 degrees for like a week. It's currently, it's not as hot, but it's supposed to get up to like 90, 40 degrees today. - Ooh, and people don't know how to act when it gets hot, not just those people, just people in general, man, like your brain starts to go crazy when you're just stuck in the heat. You're like, I gotta do something. - Yeah, yeah, heat wave is definitely, that first few days I was like, all right, man, it's cool, it's hot, and you know, I like to get on walk. So I get on walk quite often, but I'm just like, all right, I think I've had enough of 90 degree get wet. It's gonna just keep going, get to next week, and I'm just like, enough, man. - Yeah, no, so you gotta, I'm on that side too, that might be a bit older thing about us, just wanna get outside and walk and breathe some air. And that's also attached to the Oakland thing, is like, I walk around all the time, like I don't feel like my life is in danger, I don't feel like shit's crazy. - I don't know where to go though. - Yeah, definitely, I don't know where I don't belong. And I know how to move when I'm over, there's places in Oakland that I would never, I won't drive down, I won't even look down there. - It's certain areas, like somebody was just asking me about my neighborhood and they were like, "It seems so nice." I was like, "On this side." - Oh, you can't, when you venture into certain other areas of the South side, it's not, no, I wouldn't be over there. - I mean, the South side of Chicago, that's a thing, like when somebody says that, it's like, you either are a really great rapper, or you could be into some shit, you know? I'm from the West side of Chicago looking for a bus down, make me put two arms up, touch down. - Yeah, that was an egregious line. Why would we let Cam do that? (laughing) - I think that Cam, like, he established this thing of that. You know what I mean? - That was a wild line. - You know what I mean? He established that he could go a wild ass bars and we were just like, that's his thing. That's his deal at this point. You saw that they were talking about Hope being doing the Tom Brady thing, and how he doesn't ever do any hip hop things, but he always does some rich guy thing. - Listen, go figure. Rich black guy that is a known capitalist does rich black guy things. I don't know why we're stunned by this. The guy has been telling you for the longest, listen, I'm not coming up to do the raps unless you pay me for years now. Why are you guys surprised by this? Like, yo. - This guy has told us off rip, money, money, money. First album, money, that's all I care about. I don't care about this, I don't care about this money. - Bro. I'm overcharging y'all for what y'all did to the co-crush, bro. Listen, man. - Overcharging is what he said. - Listen, man, listen, the guy has told you he's about a bag for his entire career, man. I don't know why people are shocked by this. - Every time he does something, they're like, this Jay-Z, I'm like, yeah, that's, I think that's it. - That's how he is. He's been telling you, he's a capitalist for a long time. I don't know. - What you love? - I'm like, where do you land with it? I don't think it takes away from Hope. That's Hope. That's what he's been telling us and doing it. - Love the guy as an artist. Don't agree with a lot of his political and social views on things. - But that's just what it is. When you make the kind of money that he is, we're just not going to say a perspective on things. - It's just one billionaire, too. Like this guy gets on the rap records talking about being a billionaire all the time. Him and his wife, his wife is just dumb rich. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, I don't know. - Go figure this guy really likes money. The guy that made the song, I love to do. I don't know. - Money cash shows, that's a mess. - You can go across so many lines and a bunch of discography. Like, yeah, he's about to back. I'm sorry. - Yeah. - Which I was laughing very hard last night. You know, our guy. C.M. Punk was back in Chicago, which we'll get to. But I chuckled right after the Smackdown, 'cause you know, he was supposed to be getting carted out in the ambulance. And there was some fan footage of him pulling out in his G-Wagon. (laughing) - That's my question, man. (laughing) - That cave baby, cave baby, bro. Hey, man, I see you all live right up the street, bro. I'm about to happen over. - I'm about to happen to Wagon and whip this thing up out here. I see you all it. - I'm driving the G-Wagon home. I know the angle that we did earlier, but I'm about to slide out of here. I don't know what y'all think. Like, the ambulance is not gonna drop me off at home. (laughing) - What did you think? He was about to go and put on a neck brace and do all this stuff. Listen, yeah, I'm about to hop in his G-Wagon. I'm about to slide, try to see if I have a home. - I had a home. - When your circle's still open, bro. - I'm saying, we in Chicago, what you think I'm about to be doing? Did you, was this a jealous moment? That was a pretty hot Smackdown. That you weren't there? Did you have Pomo? Right there? I'm here, I think it froze. - Okay. - Did you have Pomo? - No, I'm not big into going to smackdown. I did wanna see, like when I saw the ending of it, I was like, I would've been kinda cool to see the homie Jacob in the building. But, you know, other than that. It was a pretty good episode of Smackdown. - I liked it. I watched it. - You know? But yeah, Kendrick popped out. Great concert. It was very, very West Coast. I'd say the least. You're still there. - I'm still here. I think I was gonna go. - Okay. Yeah, Kendrick popped out. Really, really good concert. Very, very West Coast. And I was sitting there watching it the whole time. And I was like, the most West Coast person I know is not there. - Now, are you coming and trolling me on the post show? Denise just reads a, Philip Lindsay says, Kendrick is killing it up the key of form and Reg is here. I died, dude. I'm like, yeah, no, Phil. As the most West Coast person you know, watching that concert, first of all, amazing moment, like the culture, like that's what the culture needs consistently. Hip Hop just had its 50th anniversary last year. This is some of the most hip hop things we ever seen. We've seen monumental LA hip hop moments and with pop and stuff. But, and when Kendrick was crowned the king of LA, but this was like-- - Different. - This was like, I've been out to LA and Le Mert Park in these different places where they're having black celebrations. And this was that on stage. It's like, we've been to family reunions and celebrations in places that I'm like, I don't know if these two places, these people are gonna coexist in this place and they usually don't coexist in this place. - And these people co-existed in this place. - Yeah, I thought the energy in the crowd was dope. Man, right off the bat. I think we know Tyler is Tyler, but every time I see Tyler in front of crowds and see how like crowds respond to Tyler, like, this guy is like a massive star, man. Like when he came out the entire mood and that arena changed, bro, like. - Bro, I've watched that shot up him walk when Mustard plays the song and he walks up and that shot up him right on the beginning of the stage and everybody behind him's going nuts and he's just dancing. I'm like, this is crazy. Like, this is-- - Bro. - Tyler has like the where he's came from of like, I remember when Odd Future first came out and I was like, I don't know. I was a little too old. I was like a couple of years ahead and I was like, I don't really know about these guys, but then I got super in the earl and I was like, okay, I might see it. But then I started listening to Tyler like from Wolfon and I was like, oh, like this guy is like, musical, he can rap. He does like different things. And so, but now though, Phil, like he is like-- - He's out here man. - A cultural icon, bro. - Yeah, watching him come out there and it's not like he did like, he did like recent records. It's not like he did like, not like he even did like some of his biggest hits and he got him reaction. He only did two songs and he got that reaction. And that was, that was wild to see, really cool to see him on that stage during the Mustard. The Mustard set was also really good. And Mustard had a run, quickly reminded people in his set that he had a run. - Like I have a bunch of hits you guys. You guys thought I just had one. You thought this not like us was first? No, I've been doing this. - No, Mustard on the beat was a thing for a minute. But yeah, that happened, you know, that I'm Kenny. - That's why he came out on the, the, the-- - He's no who really bang a set, my nigga, YG. - And here's YG on all of his glory. I'm like, okay, I think a very interesting stuff. YG is a, somebody said that YG's Mexican's favorite rapper, favorite black rapper, and I want one. - I did see somebody say that he's, he's, he's, he's holed to Mexicans? - Yeah, yeah, he's holed to Mexican. I'm like, as someone who's been in California and the scene, the energy around YG, yeah, 100%. When he came out with that, Maria, Maria, I reckon I was like, oh, he's out of here. - Yeah, I know Vince, he tweeted later that he wasn't there, but Vince was somebody I would have loved to see not there. Another big West Coast artist. - Yeah, Vince, it's not cool, that's the only reason that he was there. - Yeah, so it, I would have loved to see Vince out there though. That would have been perfect. - And you saw the, we're going to get more into the Kendrick Butcher homeboy game, did a 15 minute video on why he wasn't there. And the conclusion was, well, I'm a dad and Drake gets me tickets to his concert. I was like, all right. - He was doing a lot of, a lot of explaining, but I, it was-- - But honestly though, like, bro, what are you doing? You should be up here. Like if we're talking about like West Coast, you should be up here. - It looked crazy, that I tweeted several times when I saw it, I was like, yo, what is this beard? Like, cut this. - The beard is wild though. You guys like that wild Amish beard almost a little bit? - Yeah, I tweeted, it looked like when a little raspos tried to sneak into that bank and get the, get the loan. I'm like, bro, take that fake beard off. (laughing) - Like, how does it go like that? Like, it goes like, it's like crazy, bro. Yo, cut this off, man. - What I'm saying, the broke, like, you, I don't know, you killed all your good will. You should be up here rapping, dude. You're West Coast as fuck. You're one of the most LA rappers there are and you're not up here for a reason. - Yeah, it looked crazy. But yeah, Kendrick's setting it in itself, starting with euphoria. I was like, whoa, wait a minute. - And every time you cry out, the crowd rapping every single word. - But yeah, hit all of the hits. We got a black hippie reunion, which I was here for. As soon as Connor Green said, I was like, we're here, man. We got, we got Jay Rock and him doing Money Trees. And Jay Rock first on Money Trees will never not hit for me. I don't care where I am, I don't care when I hear it. It just always hits. There needs to be, I wanted there to be a museum of the greatest hip hop verses of all time. And that one is in there. 'Cause like, I can like think of when that album came out and like, we were all bumping that album. Like everywhere I go, it was like Kendrick Lamar, Kendrick Lamar. And when that verse would come up, everybody was like, magic crowd can like, every single, it never failed. Whoever it was, like that was the shit. And so like, the crowd and being attached and how Kendrick, the role that Kendrick has played in all the members of Black Hippies' career. But honestly, the role that they've played in helping him get to where he is, I think is more important. 'Cause there's elements of all three of them and all the Kendrick stuff. Like you know that like, they work together. There's a cohesive unit. So seeing that on stage was sick. The part with 616 in L.A. and him rapping the absol. - Absol coming out and doing, it's survival. - Bye bye brother, they said, one time Phil, I always think about this. Post Malone did an interview when he was still in the hip-hop culture. And he was like, there's no hip-hop songs that make you emotional. Like there's no, I've never cried listening to a hip-hop song. It's only like Bob Dylan or something you stand. And I was like, that's how you know this guy's not a part of the culture because I've got emotional off songs that aren't even like emotional songs, just like really good rap. And I've been like, this is amazing. I can't believe this. - There's no way, there's no way you can listen to the end of Saba's second album and not get emotional. - Bro, Saba made a whole album of emotional records or like just like song cry of Hove. Like the way that he does, you know, like if you don't listen to that and think you've never been in those situations, that's why it doesn't relate to that. So that's what, when I saw that Absol and Kendrick rapping and all the stuff that Absol has been through recently. And again, knowing the role that he's played on Kendrick's rise and Kendrick's used a lot of like his influence to come up. - I know how much Absol likes that song. So her hymn that just be rapping right to him was like, this is, get me out here. I'm about to cry. I'm about to lay down, get me somewhere. Like that was, that shit was hard. And that song is just like, I actually think 616 in L.A. is very underrated out of all of the records that came out from the diss. - Yeah. - But I just think also too, 'cause you know, the stat came out of, you know, it's the most minutes played for any Apple music event. But I just think the way he executed this, so just putting the music out in April with the beef. And we didn't see him anywhere. He wasn't doing interviews. He wasn't popping out nowhere. We didn't see him anywhere. So the first time we saw him was him doing this show at the form. And so immediately I knew a lot of people are gonna watch it because it was like, bro, this guy's been talking in a year. And it's just like, okay, what is he gonna do? Is he gonna keep this beef going? What's he gonna say? And you know, he did the usual, what I'd expect. He didn't get into any of the personal stuff. He didn't really talk much. He just got into the songs. Did the hits I expected? Like Swimming, Swimming Pools. But no, this was a great set. And then I just, this guy's a really good performer. The press control, just the way he commands that stage, the pyros that he had for certain songs. Nah, man, this was incredible. Bringing out so many guys out the end. The idea of you guys trying to tell me that Brody Westbrook is not L.A. And this guy was on that stage. (laughing) Looking like the most L.A. guy that I could think of. Like, you know. - That's Brooke couldn't wait to see walk-ons. They're like, can I see walk now? Get me on stage to do this. He couldn't wait. - Having the time of his life had tomorrow up there, which. - Also, see what I heard about, like all the-- - Big Kelly. - All the homies that they thought were on that side. Now they're up here. - Big Kelly, bro, the rose up there. - Your home boy was jealous in the crowd too. - Yeah, I laughed immediately 'cause LeBron was in the crowd and there were some clips of him rapping the words to not like us. But I immediately laughed 'cause I was like, oh, Westbrook up there. He can't go up there. - No, he can't. - He not to fly with Westbrook no more. He can't get up there. - And Westbrook got, you know, he got clout. He got something in L.A. So he could be-- - Listen. - He'll wake him up here. - Listen. - Even though he plays for the team. - Westbrook is a real L.A. guy. Y'all can say what y'all want. Westbrook is a real L.A. guy. - Very real. - This guy did 20, 20, 20 when Nip died. Like, come on. You ducking-- - Come on. - No, Westbrook is an L.A. guy. - That's Buck. - LeBron is a visitor. Sorry, man. You have to put it that way, but he is. He's a kid from Akron, bro. He's not L.A. guy. - And that totally shows you because if LeBron was L.A., he would have been up there. That's just how it works. - Yeah. - But yeah, tomorrow was up there, you know. Of course, he spent the big part of his years in Toronto. (laughs) - Yeah. - We've seen this guy wear an OVO. - Hey, guys. I'm here to tell you about eBay Auto. eBay Motors is the leading online platform for automotive dealers to get their inventory in front of over 7 million ready to buy shoppers who are buying cars and trucks on eBay Motors every three minutes every single day. They make it easy to find parts for cars, trucks, SUVs, motorcycles, and more. They even offer a massive selection of new and pre-owned classics. Whether it's fixing, updating, or maintaining your existing vehicle, or finding new and used vehicles, eBay Motors is easy to navigate by vehicle type, category of items, sales, events, or the brand type of car, motorcycle pickup, or SUV that you have. You can shop parts on the eBay Motors app, and with their eBay guaranteed fit, it is guaranteed to fit your ride every time. Head over to ebay.com and find what's right for your ride. That's ebay.com. - Stuff, we've seen him linked with Drake. Drake has shouted him out multiple times. So to see him up there, I was like, "Ooh." - He went to Drake's house when he got traded from the Raptor, and I was like, "Yikes. This is where we are, man." - The weekend was in the crowd. - The weekend was in the crowd. SZA was out there. There's clips of Northwest out there with her phone up. You would have thought she was out there seeing Taylor Swift how excited she was. - Seriously. - She could've been more happy. - You know, just now singing, slapping hands with her friends. I'm like, "You know, she's having a great time out here." - Yeah, but just that idea of him having this whole concert and then at the end going, "Yeah, I'm going to do not like us." "Hey, I'll do it one time by myself," and he got all the way to the A minor line. He started doing the Money Dance, and I was like, "Yeah, we're at this kind of energy." Did the record five times, brought all this Cali Bros up there, had fun dancing on this man's grave. Yeah, this was a wild victory lap, man. - Yeah, when they got to "Not Like Us" and he did it a few times and didn't get to the chorus, I was like, "Oh my God, when it gets to the chorus, it's going to be insane." So he gets to the chorus and everybody goes ham, and it's funny because it's like somebody said, somebody on tweeted that he couldn't get the third verse right any of the times. I'm like, as a rapper, it's in that space, and you get that energy, he can't think straight. There's, "Bloods and Crips are on stage right now, Phil, what do you want me to wrap?" Too much energy of me laughing at the idea that this guy got on a record and said that "You're not as hot in your hood as me," and he is standing in the forum, not just, "Bro, you're standing in the forum once again, getting the cosign from Dr. Dre, do a California love," then Dre does the opening to "Not Like Us" and whispers, "I see dead people." No, he's just the idea of all of this is very funny because it's like, "Oh, that's your man up here dancing with me, oh, that's your man over there that's in the crowd." You thought this was going to go differently, huh? Your favorite basketball players are up here with me, dude, like I don't know what you're in. I saw you at his little barbershop show say you didn't want to disappoint him, he had my show. This is what I said, this is his first time popping out and performing the record as well, but just the energy, just everything that was happening. I wouldn't have expected him to get all the words right now because it was just too much happening. No, that's too much going on, man. At the point when they got to the fourth song and then the fourth time doing "Not Like Us" and then he brings everybody on stage to take a picture and he's like, "This isn't about no back and forth records, this ain't about no beef, this ain't about nothing. This is about this moment right here, this about unity." All right, get this last picture, all right, run it back, I'm like, all right, all right. I just said this wasn't about no back and forth, but you're going to run it back again. What? I think the great thing about this is this was a victory lap, but he also made the point of, no, how dare you, how dare you, how dare you mock one of our legends, how dare you speak about what I represent here? No, this is my home. Yeah. Like I'm the king of the West Coast. You can't just, you can't talk about the coast in any way. You can't talk about pocket in that way. You can't talk about for rail in that way. You can't do that. Like, again, you are a visitor over here, this is my coast and to a larger point, I'm the culture, bro. Yeah. You're a visitor in my culture and whether I really agree with him or that or not, him running this victory lap and putting it this way is kind of like a dick. Dude, got his foot in your neck, though. I mean, if you want to like just, he didn't even get to the concert and we had already seen YG and like you said that back, you know what I mean? You're already on the ropes before we even heard Kendrick rap one bar. Yes. There's so many. So Kendrick comes out and just starts tearing it down and he's, like you said, Phil as a rapper that does it and has been on stage and with the mic. The way that he's an exceptional master at the bars, but then you could get on stage and do that too. I'm like, all right. You got to stop. You can't be superhuman. Like you got to have one thing that you're not crazy and sane about superstar, man, like like how like his breath control and like he knows exactly when the dropout he like he just like he rehearsed this for 500 weeks and you know he didn't, but like it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. What a what a moment. That was great concert Juneteenth. What a great way to cap off Juneteenth. I watched it again yesterday and it was just as good. Incredible. I'm going to tell you because the ratings discourse was all over the timeline yesterday and boy, I could not care less. It was the same thing Wednesday. I did not watch wrestling buddy. I did not turn on dynamite. I was sitting there watching the Kendrick show that night. I was not watching wrestling. I had two screens on and I let me tell you guys that AEW dynamite post show I did with Denise. I freestyle most of it because I was not I was not watching no AEW. The second half was just all Kendrick like the second half of the show, bro, I'm locked in on Kendrick. I'm sorry. You guys. Yeah. What a great night. I got to go back and watch a pack and cardio because like, yeah, I went back and watch dynamite, but yeah, I did not watch it live. Yeah. Great. Great night for hip hop. Been a great year for hip hop. Still getting great music coming out. I love it man. It's crazy because there's been a couple of years where I'm like hip hop, I don't know the mainstream stuff. They started talking about too many numbers and so for the guys to come back and just bring the culture back and Kendrick to cap it off like this is like, thank you. Just thanks. Look, I continue to say that these guys have been going at it because at one point he performed King Kunta, which I love King Kunta and he did the, the, uh, ghost writer live from that record and people like, man, he'd been Disney's dude for a minute. Yeah. He'd been Disney's dude for almost, almost 12 years since like 2013 and so, uh, I think that in itself is dope that, uh, they've been subbed, reading their sub, subbing each other for the longest. And then when we finally got to it and lived up to the hype, we got so many great moments out of it. That's the thing. Just absolutely delivered as a rap beef. Uh, Kendrick continues to prove he is who he says he is. Um, yeah. What is, what is the time of hip hop fans? I've times in a row to close out the show and had like a little kid dancing on the last one. You can't, you can't get much better than that. That's the most, one of the most LA shows I've ever seen. Tom of the clown was up there like this shit was like being in LA on a fucking sunny ass Saturday and just having the greatest time of your life. I love that it was broadcasted. You know what I mean? Like that, that was the, that's the different cultural moment than the past and then, then the park and the, and nah, and hope stuff is like there wasn't any live streaming where the whole hip hop culture is watching along. It felt very much like, uh, some of the stuff during the pandemic where we were all locked in to watch like some of the verses or like some of those DJ sets on Instagram, like, what DJ Nice was jumping on Instagram and everybody was just huddled around their phones or something, just trying to look for any communal experiences. So it felt very similar. I think that was dope too, that he broadcasted on Juneteenth and that just goes back to his point again. Now, what do you do for the culture like different, yeah, you're not doing this, you're not, you're not doing what I do. Now, I think, like, like you said, I think it is like it's, he does stuff like I don't, I think they, they take too much away from your boy drizz, but it's just different. I mean, I think someone puts on for Toronto, he definitely puts on for artists, it's just different. It's not the same man, like, yeah, and, you know, it's, it's personal for like, he couldn't do that. Like he can't have a show of Toronto and then a bunch of like it, it wouldn't be the same at all. He's not pulling up the Houston and doing something like that because you know, I mean, he, he's done a lot in H sound, but you're not, you're not out of the culture like that in H sound like that. You know, Atlanta, Atlanta's, Atlanta's not going to let you do that. They're going to let you do that. Yeah. I mean, look, I say that as somebody that likes a lot of Drake music still likes a lot of Drake music, but this is not, this is just different, bro. Like they're just two different artists to Apple Doris, man, but he, he's not doing that, man. That, I think that's what we learned from it and I'm happy that it happened. Like they did the battle. So we won't, there won't be that thing in the back for their ever like, what if they ever, why didn't they ever do this? Like they did it. We saw it in real time. And so we can make your assumptions. We still, there's still his whole fan base that are like Kendrick didn't do shit. He's sorry. That concert was wack. He didn't do nothing. Okay. That's like when people are like, Oh, Drake, so I'm like, he's not over. He still has illusion. He's not over. But we, I think that Kendrick didn't do anything. So he's not over, but we're, we're never going to look at Drake the same way. This was, this was the most public asphalt when we've ever seen in a rap battle. And then he proceeded to have a funeral for this guy in his hometown and has a wildest parade and victory lap we've ever seen. So no, I can't say he didn't do nothing. He absolutely smoked this dude. Oh, man. Damn, damn. What a time. But for hip hop though, an amazing moment, great show Kendrick had a amazing set. I just loved it all. The homie E 40 was the entry, he did the intro to the concert. And then two nights ago, I watched the homie E 40 live at the Alameda County fair. So hip hop came full circle and I'm feeling amazing. Yeah. Yeah. As soon as you say Alameda, I thought, I thought a red rap live, what is it? Rip rap is an amazing, we should get a rip rap on that. It's a pod. It's like a wrestling fan, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. He tried to wrestle one time. He tried. Wait a minute. What? You missed that? I did. What? You missed refresh from? Yeah. Did you not see this? He started training. He got hella buff. I can't believe you missed this. Yeah. He got like really buff. He was training with somebody. He might have been training with your boy Terry, honestly. But I remember he like got buff. He is, I had a match scheduled and everything. Rip rap. Yeah. Wow. Wow. But yes, if you guys haven't seen it, I don't know how, if you haven't, the Kendrick things on YouTube, my whole YouTube page is like, have you seen this? I'm like, yeah, I've seen it, dude, but you can still watch it on there. There's still places for you to catch it and if you haven't, you don't like hip hop. You just want to see an amazing musical moment. Watch the show. Yeah. At one point, I was talking to my brother on the phone and he was like, you know, I never really liked California love like that. And I was like, it's not really my thing either, but I don't think it's for us. Like, we're not other guys. Like, if I'm thinking like top pop songs, it's not in my top, but you know, for, for y'all over there, just ain't them. California? Come on, man. Like that became, people say California love. Like it became bigger than even the song represents. Like it's not my favorite pop song either, but like California love, man, like, how could you not? Yeah. I personally prefer living dying L.A. I liked the video for living dying L.A. more too, but that's just personally me. That's when the Mexicans original favorite black rapper was pop. And I remember specifically it was in after that video came out, I was in sixth grade and my Mexican friend came up to me and he was like, two pucks says and live in dying L.A. L.A. wouldn't be L.A. without Mexicans. And he's like, he's forever goaded and like, from that point on like every Latino I knew was like, pop is the greatest. He's the best. He's the best. And like, he made his stand and like, it's for a good reason. Like you live in California, like, all my friends growing up were Latinos. Like you just, when we have these cultural things against each other, I'm like, dude, we're so the same. I can't even, like, I can't even do it. And so, it's so funny that he became like, he's more their rapper than ours sometimes. They're like, no, pockets are pockets are as I was like, what's close? It's all the same. Because that was also the thing Phil is like people, they're showing the crowd and people are like, well, look at the crowd in L.A. There's not even any black people. I'm like, that's L.A. I don't know. Like, it's L.A. All of the black people. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't even like a gentrified thing. That's like, that's forever been L.A. That's just, no. When you get outside of L.A. and you get to the other parts of Cali, that's where most of the black people are. That's where, no, I'm not surprised by that. It's the forum. Like, what? Yeah. People don't be known. They don't be known. Ever. Everybody want to make something out of something and they don't even be known what they're talking about. Yeah. What they're talking about. We got a couple super chats talking about this. So we should send us your super chats, of course. We should humper chats via humperchats.com/fightful. Our first super chat is going to be from Josh Jones, he says, "I needed Demara to have some shame. We saw you fam." Nah, man. He was happy. He was listening. In his hometown. He was happy, man. I love the way he's embraced Chicago by the way, man. Like, I see him sometimes. He's got like the socks fitted on. I was like, "Yeah." Demara's like one of our guys now. See? He's absolutely Cali to his core, I mean, the way he dresses, just his hair, everything about him. He's a Cali dude. And that's why I'm not mad at him for exactly what she said there, Phil. Like, he embraced Chicago. Like, he embraced Toronto because that's where he was. It wasn't like he was faking the funk. Like, "No, I'm here. I'm playing for this team. I'm a represent." Yeah. But, nah. Also, every time you see him, everything about him, like, even like his family, his daughter and everything. If you hear him talk, you're like, "Oh yeah, he's a very, very Cali dude." He's very California. He has high white socks on, like. Yeah. Well, I don't know what's going to happen with him. He could end up in the book. Oh, yeah, yeah. I kind of hope that we re-sign him just because I like Demara. There was the trade talk this week of us trading Alex Caruso for Josh Giddy. I mean, people were kind of, you know, over-exaggerating about this trade a little bit because I get it. People like Alex Caruso. He's well-liked in this city and Josh Giddy had a very- It's not like in any city. Had a very, like, problematic off-court situation and then, you know, he had some struggles on the court. So, he just had like a very toxic season. So you're looking at one guy that's very well-liked, that worked himself up from being an undrafted guy to, you know, a hyped-up rookie that, you know, got a wild case. So, I don't think it's a terrible trade based on what they're trying to do, they're trying to go younger. Who do you think is going to be better for this? Mine is the controversies. Who's better for the team, you think? Oh, Josh Giddy, by far. That's why I was like, I understand the trade, the only thing with me is, I hate that the Bulls do this all the time. They always do this shit where it's like, "All right, we're trying to compete." Like, "We're not good enough, right?" I know they were trying to make the playoffs, but I'm like, "Bro, just make the trades at the trade deadline. Just commit to retooling the team going into next year and just come back." They weren't going to make the playoffs. They made it to a play internment, got completely embarrassed. I wish they would have just made the trade back then when you could have packaged it and got some picks, or you could have packaged it and moved Levine back then. But now you just just won the one trade, and I think that's what a lot of people are looking at, like, for the value and everything that you could have done this months ago. But as a one-to-one trade, I wasn't terribly mad at it, because I'm like, "Well, we're not going to win with Caruso." I like Caruso, but Caruso's not going to get much better. Caruso gives you good defense, and every now and then he'll get high and hit that three, but he keeps getting injured, he's unreliable in offense. I would rather go young and start building towards the future than trying to just give this guy another contract just for the sake of, just because you like him. All the controversy I've seen, nobody was talking about basketball though, so it's all perception-based. If Josh Giddy comes here and plays well, all of that's going to go away. That's how it works, too. Of course. You know I'm right. It's crazy out here, man. Delay Grat says, "Drake has been deported from LA and Toronto now." Yeah, that was the other thing that kind of scared me with this, I'm like, "Bro, when Drake starts touring again, I don't know about Cali stops, bro. You might not be able to come to Cali, bro." By the time it happens, people probably forgot. But I don't know, just that tour and the way he's galvanized people around the coast, the way he's galvanized people around the idea that he disrespected the coast, he can't just come back to LA, bro. He can't just come back to Cali, man. Bro, disrespected, maybe our number one rapper ever, Pac, and then he said, "This is my city. All these fans are mine is..." Yeah, I don't know. Bro. He said on record that a lot of people were screaming to the top of their lungs in form, you think the bag don't let you disrespect Pac? I think the Oakland show gonna be your last stop. No, I don't think he's coming back to Cali anytime soon, bro. I hear you, you can do all the get, hit the Delilah with all my, I saw you one. I don't think you're hitting the Delilah, bro. When thinking about that, I wasn't thinking about Oakland, definitely don't come to Oakland. I wouldn't recommend it. Okay, Mike, get scared. We did bury the Lee, 'cause we did talk about basketball. We did not talk about the Boston Celtics or the 2024 NBA champions. Mercedes Manet was in the building sitting courtside. I thought that video of her, where the confetti coming down was really, really funny. She was like having a time for life, screaming at her phone. You can see Tim Hardaway, Jr. in the background, just trying to get out of the shot. Give me out of here, man. We lost someone. Got Sasha Banks in here with her phone, let me alone. But I guess, begrudgingly, congrats to the Boston Celtics for winning. I don't know why people thought that Dallas was going to win this series. My dad was big, like, oh, Dallas got him, I was like, Dad, I don't think this is happening. I just talked to my dad just a few minutes ago, because I was just talking to him, and he was also like, you can't believe they're trying to give Caitlyn Clark rookie the year, and I said, Dad, she's going to win rookie the year, and he was like, but he's a resource like that. She's going to win rookie the year, but he prepared yourself for this, and he was trying to go all these steps. I'm like, bro, no other rookie has affected the WNBA in the way that this woman has. She's going to be rookie the year he was not trying to hear it. But shout out to the Boston Celtics, Tatum finally got him a ring, Jalen Brown got him a ring, walking around with the Chicago sky player, you know, good for him, man. Good for him, man. It wasn't an exciting NBA finals by any stretch, it wasn't an impressive finals. I had him on in the background, I was like, man, because the playoffs were so intense, it was another kind of cultural moment, we're all on watching it, having a good time, and then the finals are just like, Boston's whooping their ass out here. Yeah, Dallas wasn't, they just looked out class, I don't think anybody expected them to get that far, and it showed, you know, shout out to Kyrie, I thought Kyrie did a very classy move, he went around and started shaking people's hands early, and he stood out there with the rest of the team until the game was over, he soaked up them booze, and he didn't shut away from it, he didn't go out in the locker room. I thought that that was a really good look for him, so yeah, shout out to him, real classy move. Yeah, I thought he showed a lot of quests, yeah, the basketball wasn't that great, maybe he was too focused on being like, I need to show some class out here, now you need to show some threes out this bitch, but yeah, every team, I don't know if any team could have beat Boston, because every team was so tired going into those finals, and Boston just wasn't as tired as anybody else would. They got favorable matchups, we can say what it is, they got some teams that had some big injuries, Cavs had big injuries, they didn't have Mitchell, Halliburton was hurt by the time they played him. They had some favorable matchups, and then you got a Dallas team that just wasn't deep enough to beat them, I don't think that, I don't think that they would have won if they played Denver, I think Denver would have beat them, I think Minnesota would have gave them a lot more trouble as well, I think there's a really good chance that Minnesota could have beat them as well, but you know, chips land the way they land, so you know, congratulations to those guys. Boston. Boston, Boston, Boston, Boston, oh man, you know what time it is, the spirit of Massachusetts is the spirit of America, now shout out to all my Boston homies, almost at the Ray J. So, yo, this guy got to sit down, bro, watch him, bro, watch him on breakfast club this week, I'm like, bro, you got chill out, you went on again Phil, why do they keep having them on the show? No, I'm just now seeing it, 'cause he was on, yeah, I was like, dude, you got your loud dog. I'm still thinking, 'cause that's the different than the last time he was on there though, like, he keeps doing this, it's like they, like, should we have an intervention and then Charlemagne's like, now let's bring him on while he's drunk, dude? He was, he was out of here, he was drinking early in the morning too, I was like, it's time to tell him that they filmed this show, Ray J's already lit. Fang, delayed graphs also says, Aubrey Graham is a child actor who decided he wanted to rap, Aubrey was always an industry made faker, this takedown was 10 years overdue. Yeah, and, you know, he's an unconventional guy in this, in this space and because of that, he was always going to be an outsider, and I think because of that, he had this big chip on his soul shoulder that is now kind of put him in the spot where he's worn out a lot of vocals with people, but I can't just be like the Drake is not hip hop, this guy had a Ryan bro, like the amount of artists he's like linked with, the amount of music he's put out, I can't just be like, he's just not, he's just not hip hop in the same way that Kendrick is. Yeah, no, I don't, I don't, I think that's like I was saying earlier, they take a little too much away from Drake, like he is and I don't even think he's an outsider, he deserves to be here, like he earned a spot, he's like one of the most hip hop guys you'll ever meet if you get past all of the shenanigans and bullshit. And I think that it's just the way that he moved that mess because like he could be in a totally different position at this point, but like he was forced into it also, like if you're the biggest rapper in the world, if you you're going to constantly have a target on your back, you got to move a certain way, you're going to have, you're going to get there with some different practices, you're probably going to get music from in different ways. It's just a different, a different set of standards to be the number one rapper in the world. So I don't ever get mad at anything that he does when he takes somebody's song and makes it ahead. It's like, I don't know, like I can't be mad at him for doing that. Yeah, but you could just tell the world he's from, you can tell that he doesn't get certain social cues, there's certain faux pas that he's done, and I'm like, you're not supposed to do that. You're not, you're just not supposed to do that. And I think he just doesn't get that part of it. But I can't say that he's not hip-hop or that he doesn't love hip-hop when you, when you listen to the guys that he like was saying immediately influenced him, like, bro, you're you're a Joe Biden fan and not like a pump it up Joe Biden fan, like you're a fan of Joe Biden, the rapper, he's a big Fante fan, like, no, he's a hip-hop fan, bro, like, yo, those are guys that you don't just like pick up and just be like, oh, I like hip-hop, like those are not like casual hip-hop fans, they're not going to go and say, I'm a Fante fan, bro. Right. Yeah. He was saying like Wayne because he was standing right next to him and he knows that people are going to be able to relate if he says one of his favorite rappers is Wayne. But then he would also be like, and, but I really love Fante, I'm here because Fante did this thing. Joe Biden fan. Joe Biden did this. He can't say. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's, it's crazy when he tried to say that, but it's like, no, you were here for a reason and you kind of modeled yourself after what these guys created. So yeah, I'm not, I mean, half the people are actors and fakers, like who, it's where, where's the line? If that's what we're doing. Yeah. Where's the line? Your favorite rapper is probably the same thing. We can get into some of, I think that the stuff that he kind of was confused by that were faux pas. He was like, well, why am I mad at me? Your favorite rapper does the same thing. Like, if, if I'm sure he's sitting somewhere like, yo, y'all mad at these ref tracks? Like, bro, I recorded a ref track for this guy that you don't know about or nah, man. It's certain stuff that he's done that other rappers have absolutely done. But because it's him, you can't do that because you're going to get the heat from it. You specifically can't do that because I don't like you. Exactly. That's how it is. Yeah. No, I bet I fill him with the ref track things like he wasn't the first one. He wasn't the thousandth one. He's, you know what I mean? He's just like a, bro, this is just the game at this, bro, the, the, the guy that strikes out and coming out since music was invented and the guy that was on that stage that is a legendary rap producer, one of the biggest West Coast guys did not write his movie straight out of Compton is based off of all of them people not writing. One guy was writing for everybody. Yeah. There's a scene where we watch this whole thing go down. Oh, Dr. Ice Cube hands the song to easy and says, wrap this like you guys, this is not, this is as tell as old as time at this point. Yeah, but the, the one of the biggest verses he wrapped during that set was written by Jay Z nothing that he wrapped up there. He wrote, so that's the game. That's all of our super chats. Sure. Sure. We have a bunch of humper chats Kendrick, just what a guy, you know, I say his name like that. Like he did something. Kendrick, yayata, K dot, we, we got some humper chats. We got one from John Paul Romero, he says, dot at the forum doing, doing stuff and regis here was the best super chat ever great episode of Dynamite. And I think kid and friends hurt Dynamite's cable rating MJ had first matched back and it was, it was commercial free. What do y'all think affected the ratings? I don't know. I think it was a mix of things. I think it was probably the fact that it was a holiday and some people were just outside. Some people were watching a Kendrick show. I don't know. It was a good episode of Dynamite. I don't think it was indicative of the show they put on. I just think that maybe it was just a lot of other stuff going on and people were not like glued in front of TV. Yeah, I think that's all it is. It's all the extra, extra curricular activities. The show was great. But you know, the parts that I was focused in on, the matches are super hard like this a really great episode of Dynamite. I don't think it was like people watched the show and tuned out. It was just like they never tuned in because they were either outside and 99% of the people on my timeline were talking about Kendrick. So it's like, none of these people were watching the show and I don't think it's because the show is bad. It's because we're all watching this Kendrick show, so it's me included. It's summertime. And again, my ratings aren't registered. I don't have Nielsen. I don't care about ratings, bro, I keep telling y'all that. But do you put any stock into this belief that Forbidden Door hurts the product every year because it's a very niche thing and it's kind of inaccessible for some fans? Yes, is the problem is I do because there are a legion of fans that don't care about that stuff. There's as someone who was covering Ring of Honor and when they would have Ring of Honor on the show, people were like, what is this? I don't want to see this shit. And I know a lot. We see it when they announced a CMLL wrestler or announced somebody from New Japan people are like, who is this? What is this? I don't want to see this shit. When they announced the Hetchisero and a max match this week, people were like, why is this job? We're getting the match. What's going on? I'm a big subset of fans that don't care about Forbidden Door at all. But I think with this dumb ratings discourse this week, I've seen a lot of people being like, well, they need to change. I don't think they need to change anything. I don't think that's I mean, there's some things that they I won't say anything. I don't think they need to change with the core belief and what they consistently do. I don't think that's the issue. Like you shouldn't start all of a sudden doing this crazy like, oh, let Chris Jericho do all this sports entertainment stuff. Because that's what you know, I mean, or let Marty come back and book blah, blah, blah. That's not what it is. That's going to happen. Like you got to, there's a different way to go about this. AEW fans are different also as like when it comes to viewing habits, like WWE fans are going to pull up Raw and Smackdown just like, that's just kind of how it has always been. It's an appointment viewing. You're probably going to watch it when it happens or like on a service that's attached to that. AEW has a whole subset of fans that don't have cable. There's a lot of them watch it illegally. Some of them only watch it through like there's all these like different ways. So when this rating, I'm like ratings talk is so old and dead because there's a gazillion people that aren't even attached to that. I've been watching wrestling for the last 15 years and now my rating hasn't been registered once. So what does that matter? I don't get it. Like what do you mean? Nobody even talking about the ratings is involved in the registering of the ratings. So what are we talking about? Stupid. Yeah, I don't know. I didn't put too much stock in this ratings talk. I know people care about this stuff. I personally think that for Ben, there's still a fun event every year. And I know that it's something for the core audience. The core audience cares more some some some would say through the mainstream audience. But I don't think that that means it should go away. And I don't think that the execution has been bad. I make the argument that this has been the best build for any forbidden door event since they started doing it. I think a better job of introducing you to wrestlers like me to share a cow or the guys from CML than they have before. I mean, even just getting the stuff from last night of Mercedes going to a random Mexico and just getting a lot of this integration. We didn't get all of this stuff before. And so I don't know. I think it's it's pros and cons to it. And I wouldn't say that for Ben Doris to feel are you there I think you're there. Yeah, I'm there. Did you do the last thing I said? No, the like cut out on the last part. No, I was saying, I think there are pros and cons to it. But I just wouldn't say that they're like forbidden doors completely the issue here. And that's what's making fans not want to tune in. Yeah, no, as someone that's always the funny thing too, I think about the whole thing is like when they're talking about what could be done, what can be what should we do? Should they change the whole structures like as someone who likes the show and and and is consistently entertained, I love the forbidden door build. I'm super excited about the show. So like as a hardcore, they're satisfying me. And again, I think I said this on the show the show a few weeks ago, AEW is never going to get two million views. I don't care what that like you could bring in fucking the rock. And I mean, that's that's crazy. You could bring in like, I don't know, Seth Rollins and Becky Lynch and they're not going to do two million views just because again, the viewing habits of fans are really different and we get two million views AEW is going to sit in this 500 to a million range for a long time just because of that's the game. And I don't know if forbidden, I don't think forbidden door is the reason like even before that they were doing they were like seven and eight, but it wasn't like they weren't setting the world on fire. I just think that's what the game is. There are things that AEW I think can do to to gain some more fans and baby bring some other things in, but I don't think like you can bring in anybody that's going to bring in a million more people to watch the show. That's just how it is. Yeah, I'm sure that, you know, it's a talking point to bring up, but this is the thing with the ratings is like that you'll get something like this where this big cliff or peak in a ratings happen and then it'll just go back to normal next week. So I don't know, yeah, hold on, I think I am going to refresh and come back. Okay. For some reason, I don't know, hold on, big refresher. What are we talking about? Oh, yeah. Ratings. They're dumb. You guys who cares like they always go, well, what about their deal that they have coming up? Well, they are top numbers like you got to look at the whole thing as a whole if we're talking if we're going to talk about numbers because everybody's numbers down. I'll just say like this because it's probably going to come back. Everybody's numbers are down like as a whole, like the best sitcoms are doing 300,000. The best shows are like all kind of in this range. AEW consistently is in the top three spots. So it's like if we're talking about that, then they're still doing at the top of the class, uh, I want Phil's thoughts on Dave Meltzer saying that Dave's tweet coming out of him saying, oh, uh, AEW dynamites rating is real and it's not because of June team. And I'm like, okay, so now there's a legion of, oh, I think Phil's gonna come back. How's that? Yeah. Yeah, I was trying to refresh because I think whatever it should be like, I think what happened is when I initially signed in, because I just, I just changed that my modem and had an issue with it. And so I also did have the Mike Stender one, so over the depths. Are you back? No, I was just talking about, uh, the Dave Meltzer tweet, uh, AEW dynamite rating is real and it's not because of June team. And I was just like thinking like, okay. So now, which might get us into another topic, what a weird, weird tweet. I thought that was so weird. Um, now, um, because there's been a lot of talk about black wrestling fans and their viewing habits. And this week, uh, I've been seeing a lot of people saying that NXT is the black show to watch. And so I'm like, okay, so like, now all these legion of black fans are attached to this wrestling product. I'm like, it's so funny how they like they put us in different, um, when it, it matters now because it was June team, but like, why didn't it matter last week about the black fans? Uh, it's just super interesting, but that leads me to, um, uh, the MVP stuff. You saw that? What a transition. I did see this MVP stuff, uh, yeah, it's, uh, it's, it's the same thing with the cookout thing is same thing with the juice team thing where, uh, I think he's saying something from a prospect, for a specific experience and perspective. And the thing is when you put these things then in the hands of all wrestling fans, then it's like, Oh, well, what does he mean? They're doing this for black people. That doesn't speak to personally how he feels at the black man that works there. You can't then comment, say what he's saying is not true because you are, you just simply don't know that. Mm hmm. Especially when they're talking about the hurt business, which is directly attached to him. It's not like he's just like, Oh, yeah, they messed up brick of share. They messed up blah, blah, blah. No, he was responding to should they bring the hurt business back and all of his responses were like, well, they don't want to bring it back. That's why it doesn't come back. They could have did this and they don't want to. And I don't even think it was that's what happened when you like, I don't want to be like, and I said black man, but when you just like kind of express your feelings and, and he's just like, this is what happened to me. I was in there. I feel I know you could feel tones and you could feel a messaging and you could feel all these things that are different than than what people see from the outside. So he was in those meetings. He's been in the pitches. He's been trying to do this her business thing. And I'm sure the language and lingo around it was crazy and he's like, oh, I don't want to do this shit anymore. So like Phil said, he's speaking from his personal experience when he says this, yeah, and how do I put this, because I know some people are not going to want to hear this. And I said this a long time ago, that company doesn't care about black people, the company doesn't love black people. None of these companies care about black people. All of this shit is, they don't and it's just like, I know from the outside one side of the fan base, particularly black people have decided that this is my preferred wrestling. And so because of that, I've decided that this is wrestling for black people. Boy, let me tell you, some of the people that work there don't feel that way. And you can't be upset when you've decided that that is the case for them and they work there and they see the experience of working there. They know other people, the experiences of working there. And so they're speaking from a place of no, you can't just decide, all right. This is the company that gets it right. This is the company that treats black people, right? I think they've done good things. I just like, I think AEW has done good things, but none of these companies are really for black people. None of these companies really care about them. That's the truth, Matt. I know that some people feel that feel a way about that, but that's just what it is, man. Like, this thing is not geared for us. We've managed to make our corner in this thing. We've managed to make our impact in it. But this thing ain't for us, bro, and it's certain things that I feel watching fans talk about WWE's product that I very much don't agree with, but listen, man, y'all have y'all fun, man. That's all I can tell. Yeah, y'all fun. I just think that I see over there that I'm like, oh, okay, y'all like that? Cool. I don't. Yeah, as someone who's who exists in different sections of this pro wrestling thing and has been in spaces and has been in situations myself as a black wrestler, as a black wrestling fan, this is not still we're in 2024 and I'm still like, and they're still all kind of crazy things that happen consistently on a weekly basis that I'm like, oh, they don't want us out here, I think. Here's my question, because I keep seeing people do this with NXT that NXT is wrestling for black people. How many black people are on a creative staff or NXT? I have an idea. One? I think there's at least one person back there that has something to do with creative process. But that guy is not a booker, that guy is not in a position, I mean, but laboring my point to this point, but the voices and the people that can control this thing aren't black, so how? So how is, listen, I know they do certain things that you guys enjoy, they bring the rapper on, they brought Wal-A on at one point, they brought sexy red on there. They made the mid-card title, The Place for Black People, like a lot of wrestling companies did before it, that's not a new thing. Every now and then they'll make a black man the world champion of the brand, but this is built by very white people and white people in their circles. This is, again, these things don't love us, man, they might catch a look every now and then and they can make some money off of us, but they don't love us, man. It's not for us, man, it's not, I mean, I would love to get more in-depth conversation from MVP about it because there's so much you can take from the little bits of what he said, but it's not enough to really come from and get context and real perspective. It's something that I really would like to dig in with him and talk to him about, but I hate the idea that he can say things like that and immediately be dismissed by some people because that's what wrestling discourse is right now on the internet. Oh, criticize the wrestling I like. It doesn't matter what you're saying, it doesn't matter what the experience or perspective is, don't criticize the wrestling I like and, hey, man, you're coming from a perspective of, oh, well, you had your time, you're just, you're older, dude, what do you expect them to just put you on TV? That's probably what some people are saying, but again, he's been there. The reason why he was sitting there crying with Kofi won the championship, goddamn it. Like, don't even start it, fuck. Like, oh my God. We're acting like we didn't see the last fucking 20 years of WWE. I just, I don't understand why people are like, I don't, whatever. I think that, you know, we see situations happen where we get our win. We get, we get something, we get, we get a chip. We get a little thing. We see Kofi. Great moment. That's one of my favorite wrestling moments ever. We see these Carmelo and Trik happening in the next tee. We see Swerve as the world champion. We see Athena, blah, blah, blah. We see these certain flashes of like, okay, this feels like there, and there are moments that are totally geared towards us, but as a whole, this is not supposed to be for us. We like, we have to find our spacing still, still in this space. I've been like in wrestling for fucking 20 years at this point, it feels like, and there is consistently fighting for positions and there's only two or three positions for us and still at this day and age, it's a constant fight. Like I watch old documentaries, old wrestling documentaries of like Rocky Johnson talking or like Teddy Long and all these wrestlers and that stuff that they talk about, I hear young wrestlers still saying that. So it's like, I want to be, I'm in when you guys are like, wrestling is for niggas and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, yeah, there's wrestlers that are for niggas, but wrestling, there's still so much that we need to change. That's what I say. Just hold on, I want to not say anything because I feel like, I feel like I'm going to have to restart because it's getting really, yeah, I think you should just restart. But before I go, I'm just going to leave you with this because we have this conversation about black people's space in wrestling and what is for us, what company does the best job of catering to us, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I just find it interesting and all this stuff that MVP is saying, if you tell us, for example, okay, we're not going to bring back hurt business. And I could frame it in a way that it's almost like, okay, well, they're not doing your idea and that's what you're upset about, right? But it's not just that hurt business is not on TV. We're Sheldon. Sheldon's not with the company no more. What's Cedric doing? If you're not going to do something like hurt business that is meant to give these three black men something to do on TV and put them in a different light than you usually book them in. Okay, what else are you doing with them? What are the street profits known right now? Hey, quick question. Who's the last black wrestler that challenged for the universal title? That's like the big title for the company. Who's the last person that was in the conversation on Raw for the World Heavyweight Championship? These are all the questions I have for people that would look at something MVP says, all right, but what are they doing outside of you then wanting to point to NXT saying they made a cookout joke or they made champion or they made Obafimme North American champion or they did this on the main roster for all of these big things that are considered like the big accolades. What are they doing with black people in those specific spots? Even if they give in a black person a ball and really let them run with it when it went when and this is kind of my beef with people that aren't giving square of the credit when if they ever treated a champion of that company like they were the face of the company and they were all of the publicity for all the commercials. They were the face of the brand when if they treated any black man like that other than the rock. Those are all the questions I have I will restart and let you guys marinate with that. Wow of course Phil cooks and when his screen or his videos messed up that's like one of the best rants he's had in a long time. You guys I think this is a I don't know how to drop this loud out. I think that the issue is is that we've like I said I've been around wrestling for a long time and I've consistently heard things and we're supposed to just like accept it and wrestlers mostly just like oh just kind of accept your spot except where you're in but like think think of all the stuff that Phil talks about like we get like little rewards and little nuggets and we'll get a championship right here and we'll get some of this but when is like the person been like the face of the brand or on a truck or on the news promoting the wrestling event and like Phil said like AEW has made an effort to make swerve that and Mercedes that and there's all these kind of situations where they do that and again we say that but they're not perfect there's not like I'm not like AEW's for us and I like I don't really feel like that I feel like they do a lot and they have people in position that are fighting for us but again they're still a long way for them to go it's like I think it just feels offensive it's like where I'm kind of like kind of the the sediment that Phil was giving up of like I'm a black wrestling fan that's dedicated that's hardcore and I still feel like I'm not represented in a lot of stuff like I have to just like other things because I know that the black wrestling is not going to be it's not going to be exactly up to par with what I like like in WWE I I don't even want to get into it I'm like come let Phil cook down he was because there's way more over there that I'm just like ah and like so they're like in situations I know that there could be more black representations or black rappers black wrestlers in general I just like go to bat for other wrestlers like luchadors or women's wrestlers or stuff like that just because I know that there's not enough positions for that so yeah it just feels offensive when you're like I'm not getting represented for nobody's the black like I don't feel like any companies for me and then there's all these people like this wrestling's for niggas black and it's just like that's not really true with for somebody that's in the trenches especially somebody that's in the trenches for more than just one wrestling company like independent wrestling companies uh TNA AWW like all of them MLW not just WWE and you see that there's progression we came along way there's a lot more world champions but still they're still constantly fighting and think of like specifically black women's wrestlers too there's so much that they don't get there's so many opportunities that they're not even a part of they're not even talked about they're not even looked at and we have consistent conversations like this and they're not even included um I think with representation like Mercedes people might be like well what about Mercedes and like she's just such a like a different she represents such a different place than most black women are even able to present and I'm happy that she brings them up with her but like their place in this is like there's so many black women wrestlers that black I'm not feeling represented at all I've had conversations with wrestlers like shout out to like Brooke Valentine uh who said that they still feel like in locker rooms that it's a man's world that they don't get even listened to and they don't get put into positions that they should and so I'm like what about them wrestling's not for them like they have to do their own shows they have to be in their own spaces they have to uh uh go the extra mile kind of like how you have to do in regular life so it's like it just feels offensive I think is where we land so when you look at something like MVP who has been in WWE for 20+ years who has been in the trenches who has presented I'm sure a gazillion ideas of stuff that he knows is of the culture stuff that he knows would change and it's been shot down consistently and has been uh um you know he's been given an opportunity like with Bobby Lashley there was an opportunity there's stuff presented but that could have been better they could have been presented more shout out to my homie Big E up here he had a championship reign and I thought he was doing a lot of stuff for the culture he's on the breakfast club he's he's outside but still same thing would happen to the end of it he played second fit of the Roman half the time he's all this so it's like yes we get these opportunities but we don't get enough just frustrating it's uh it's um it's frustrating is probably the biggest word because there's so many as somebody who makes a list of 500 black wrestlers there's so many great black wrestlers and there's so much more that we can get so when we are presented with the idea that wrestling is for us we just don't totally feel like it that's it Phil you're back okay yeah I'm back I had to completely start I don't know if that still is kind of the same I think you have one of the best rounds of all time too in your videos just mess I'm like yo Phil cooked with that video look at that something playing in the background how you started you said gonna like Phil continue oh there's some super chats maybe I'll get into those while Phil is trying to fiddle with his uh connection let's see if we have anything kind of surrounding this talk we're having right here yeah let's go with Leonard Aaron's the third shot to Leonard Aaron's the third is a very generous super chats WWE really got black folks to be okay with seeing blacks in the middle of the pack and have marginalized what black excellence truly stands for in wrestling MVP is to be applauded for saying what he did about them yeah see there's like a legion and a subset of fans that that kind of feel the same way that we do is like yeah we celebrate a lot of stuff but there's still a lot more that we can do and we've been kind of conditioned to accept the middle or accept but the just under what could be great just because that's always kind of the spots we've been presented in and and playing second fiddle is has been like I mean just getting the opportunity feels like enough for some black wrestlers some black wrestling fans so it's it's a crazy place to exist in um Leonard Aaron's got a couple of them he also says TNA did better with blacks than most realized Lashley got his major run with them not WWE same with Ron killings TNA did better by Trinity than WWE ever bothered to this is what it has been and then killing it Leonard Aaron's the third the last one WWE has been on that trade ship for a while now feds like WWE uh feds like AW and TNA are truly for the culture if you will they've had blacks on top for their company for the face of their shit sorry about all the technical difficulties you guys uh Phil's having internet trouble so I'm just talking today I'm having a good time appreciate Leonard Aaron's for submitting that yeah it's like that's also something that we don't really factor in is um is that these things all happened in the last couple years like Kofi Kingston happened in 2019 and it's 2024 five years ago and that was like after 60 plus years of seeing constant um not that seeing things that I've been offended by seeing wrestlers in blackface seeing uh uh uh Miss McMahon say nigga seeing all these crazy like all these things we had to put up to to even get to that moment it is like don't forget that stuff like um I'm happy where we are I'm happy where uh a lot of people have gone but it's still like a lot of trauma that we need to get over uh yeah I don't know I tried restarting I tried coming back in I don't know it's like I have I have a connection I'm looking at here but the connection stream yards different I don't know what's going on that feels better yeah uh yeah uh yeah I don't I hate that uh I don't I don't want to diminish any of the stuff that they've done with black wrestlers of course I think they've done great things with black wrestlers um but I just think some stuff just think it's the usual it's like we want so badly to be accepted in wrestling we want representation so much that every little crumb of it that we get we hold on to it and act like it's just it's the best thing ever um but it's also like they can do better um they can and and it's I don't know it's frustrating when you hear certain wrestlers say things and they feel it way and then you have the fan base and a lot of times there's people that are not black they're speaking up like well they are doing great things for you who are you to say that who are you to speak for his experience like you don't even know what you're talking about like you can't you can't do that and this is this is the main problem that I have here with representation talk in wrestling currently is that um it's turned into the same thing with all all things in the debate of my company does this better than your company because it doesn't have anything to do with the actual representation for some people it's hey why I love this company so this company does it the best whether that's true or not I'm just going to say that's the case because I fluck with this company your company doesn't do it because I don't fuck with them at all right we've had we've had from the very beginning me and you as a w fans certain ww fans saying that a w isn't for black people or black people don't like a w when we've been two black people telling people like we're like a w um but you have other people that are like man this company ain't for us just like well you've decided that you don't speak for all of us and that's why I have an issue with this like bro I don't think any of these companies are servicing black people as good as they should right but when you turn it into the tribalistic thing it's the same thing I made the point with uh trump in the election here's the problem when you politicize racism because when one side goes up to the top of the mountain says we're upping we're against racism we're against it in all forms the other side has to take the other side of that argument right and so no matter what a w does with black black wrestlers whether it's good or not because that side has decided this is the side I rock with I don't rock with your side it's never going to be good enough for them and it's the same thing for some a w fans because they pick this side of the field and they're always going to take this side it doesn't matter what ww does with certain black wrestlers it's never going to be good enough for them and so you're in this place now when the conversation about representation isn't about the representation it's about my favorite company is better than your favorite company and so it's fucked it's cooked it's like it's and I've been saying that about a number of things on twitter that's why I don't engage in a lot of this stuff because it's cooked bro it's over yeah we're not even talking about the real issues here we're just talking about my company is better I look at look at what they did they crowned the champion over here look at what they did they get a storyline over here and it's like that's not what we're talking about like we're trying to again it's about the wrestlers it's about the people down on the front lines actually having the deal with these pressures actually having a deal with these spots actually having a deal with this stuff but you know it's the internet but yeah that's what when I was saying Phil when you kind of dropped out I was saying like Phil and I just I think we feel like frustrated that like if you're saying that it's something for you're saying that you're representing for us and we don't feel like that way like you're not talking for me it's the same thing with Stephen A Smith like you can't say it's for everybody when I don't feel that way the thing is I think it's all preferences I enjoy this company because it fits what I enjoy wrestling totally I enjoy this company because it it fits what I enjoy wrestling for these reasons and that's fine but when you put the representation stuff in it that's where it gets a little bit murky because people are not discussing the real issue they're discussing preferences and it representation it should be about what's best for the wrestlers what is the best representation for wrestlers how are we getting our fair share in this industry and I think a lot of times it's not about that no more it's about oh I love this company and I love what this company does with its black wrestlers so it's doing it better than anybody is it though or is it just that's the company you like yeah that's it and like how would you even know and like the tribalism thing sucks because like there's a bunch of people that were mad at swerve and like oh I don't watch that shit blah blah blah but then it's the same on the other side like when WWE crowns stuff and NXT there's people on the AEW side they're like oh that's stupid I don't care about that and it's like so one I want to continuously say there are more than two fucking wrestling companies I wish you guys would leave me alone if I make a comment about a fucking WWE show that doesn't mean I'm discussing AEW I'm talking about pro wrestling as a goddamn hole that's just a different rant on a different day but yeah I but again I just think the way they're even presenting swerve as world champion is so different than what we've seen in a major wrestling company and it's not perfect I think they can do things better as well of course but I think my major gripe with any of the guys that they've made world champion over at WWE for the last few years is it never felt like they were the top guy it never felt like they were the guy it felt like all right this is a moment for them now and even what I said before I reset and how they never it never felt like they gave anybody the ball um like they gave it to rock and rock kind of forced in hand because he was one of the biggest stars they have but when you go back and look at it look how short his reigns were look how look how often he lost his Triple H look how often he was not the biggest he wasn't as big as he should have been I mean and even look at the fact like his run at the top is shorter than a lot of people realize like if you go back and look at it like the things we just like on accolades now and wrestling that wasn't a thing then man like because if that was the case his runs were not that impressive yeah it was range rather his uh I think rock benefited a lot from stone cold being out like if stone cold never had a neck injury like he would have even shorter reigns like there was a lot of time like like you said the rock forced their hand of like we want stone cold to be the guy but this other guy is so over that we have to do something with them and our real top star that we want to be is out with the neck injury or or whatever he is so let's do it for the rock but then like you said even the time when they were trying to make rock the star Triple H is right there on his heels beating him or are getting the one up on him so he never even really was the number one top guy ever I mean because the whole time the rock Austin was right there on his ass yeah I mean there are other things like the only reason I say rock because like the you would say like out of any black wrestler that has like changed WWE the most has had the biggest impact on them I mean the name of their Friday show is is his catchphrase bro is like there's so many things that he changed the face of that company but they don't let a lot of black wrestlers do that they don't let a lot of black wrestlers ascend to that level and make that kind of impact Fox shout out to MVP yeah shout out to MVP I listen their stories we were very close to getting an MVP interview multiple times and it was so funny when I saw this I was like boy I don't know if we're ever gonna get this interview that's the first thing I saw from Phil in the group chat I didn't even know what he is talking about I just saw a text that said I don't know if we're ever going to get this interview and I just laughed really hard but then I saw everything I was like oh shit we might it might be way after he's left the company I don't know if we're gonna get that one anytime soon man I mean at this right we might get a sooner than later but yeah I think that it's important to support a lot of these companies like like Ayesha like a like a fight club pro and you know that are trying to do things from the perspective of black man because these the two major companies are never going to get it a hundred percent right they're going to give us certain things that we love they're going to give us moments but it's never going to be a hundred percent for us because that's just not how it's built it's a bit a giant corporation I don't feel like any giant corporation's going to represent for me no no and I think it I think it's entirely unrealistic to think that that's the case I also think it's entirely unrealistic to think that um in this space that has been a very predominantly white space for a very long time that's ever going to completely flip on his head and change that's just not going to happen I would like for that to happen but it just even from a business standpoint of who they're marketing to it just doesn't make sense to gear their entire show to us because that's just not their audience that's it and it's not even some of that is not even their fault like there there's um there's black wrestling fans and there's a lot feels like a gazillion because we're in it but there's still not really a lot of black wrestling fans there there's a lot more black wrestling fans than I've ever seen so we're still a minority in it but still so not that many and that's what it is and so I I think we've guided some some big strides in the wrestling business but again either of these companies are for us they're not built by us they're not for us so gotta be careful with certain things especially when there's a black man telling you this and he is in the system he's been in this business for multiple years he knows what it is we just got the clip this week of Booker saying why he didn't think he would be WCW champion and he said out of his own mouth I didn't think it was ever happened for me because I'm black that's the first the guy was like why don't you why didn't you ever think it and Booker T thought for three seconds and he said because I'm black like it wasn't even anything else it was nothing it wasn't any others he said because I'm black that was it and it's like you can as a black man looking into his eyes feel you can feel it in his soul you know you could like we've been in those situations where you I've been like I'm not gonna get that because I'm black or I'm here you know what I mean I'm like why do you guys ever make everything about race because it always is that's just what the game is man yeah it's just it's just certain things and that's like you would want advice about any from anybody in this situation wouldn't you want it from MVP who has been in the system for this long like of anybody right or Booker T that's just what it is man like and that's why you know when when somebody like MVP is speaking and I mean just just think about how he how he got back over there he wasn't he was supposed to be there he was supposed to be there for a Royal Rumble appearance he did enough to make himself matter that they had to give him a contract then he was like hey wait a minute I can do this for you I can I look how much he helped Bobby like Bobby was Bobby was he said I could do this for you and then he did it he got got Bobby Lashley super over bro we could get into the conversation of how yeah they made Bobby champion but who were the two guys that largely helped Bobby Lashley get over Leo Rush and MVP yep 1,000 percent but I just I it when you look at it from outside looking in I can see where he might be looking around like all right we look like we were heading in a certain direction when they did make MVP champion and then we went to E and like since then then what I can't even think of a contender I wear his lashes Lashley hurt I think he's injured but even then like how long was he on SmackDown it never got his title shot bro like then I'd never never got the match against Roman like bro they haven't put anybody in that conversation for that belt that Roman held for his entire time as champion other than E and E was already on the other brand as champion bro like he had to go cash in on the other champion like you go over there you're not being Roman and then when then when it's time for you two to have your match Roman is going to beat you and even Big E's thing of I'm gonna cash in my briefcase to that whole like all of it just seemed like awesome other shit I don't know it just I mean even when you look at just like the lineage of those belts and like I said only one black wrestler has challenged for the universal title uh trivia question does anybody remember who that was only one black wrestler has challenged for the universal title mm-mm coffee Kingston coffee Kingston challenged Seth Rollins oh that's right after he went about that was the first and last person to challenge for that belt damn dude that's been a bunch of years at this point though like a whole bunch that is pre pandemic not one oh yeah because Roman was all the pandemic and then yeah yeah just think about it there's none hey current current world heavyweight title pitcher right now on raw any black people in that title pitcher anybody just say man again I think they've done great things with like Bianca and other black wrestlers but I think when you look at specifically what uh what MVP is speaking of and how it doesn't feel like they've really done anything with a lot of black male wrestlers on the main roster to push them into that upper echelon yeah point couple of them again he would be the one to know yep he would know way better than Phil and I because he's out there uh but they've got guys they've got guys that they can build up hopefully this leaves his something uh you know the kind of black wrestlers they like to push them like my boy Obafimi is gonna do his thing yeah they like that I mean I'm faking accent you gonna do another article on them no man I want nobody yelling me man you not trying to get him out again don't nobody yelling me man I live a very peaceful life man oh man yeah and again what I said earlier is like they we don't talk for anybody either like there's your black wrestling experience black wrestling fan experience could be way different than ours and we're not speaking for anybody as a whole we're speaking for ourselves yeah and again I just want to reiterate because I know somebody will possibly listen to this and goes oh you guys are homers oh you defend everything the AW does I think AW could do a lot more with black wrestlers as well definitely I think that I think that they're they're currently doing well with Swerve but they can do more they can always do more yeah totally there's missteps they've had as well that I didn't understand and like this behind the scenes behind the scenes at every company like how much representation is there behind the scenes at every company main one how many how many black executives work at WW how many black people aren't creative over there and that's the thing again where if you make it AW thing I know there's a black executive at AW I know him I know there's a black person and creative as well yeah no them yeah but still but this but that more but this gets to my point earlier when you say that okay that company isn't for us at all and it's like is that really the case or is it just that you've decided this company is for you and you're a WW fan and that and again that happens on both sides of the debate and that's why I feel like the tribalism thing is really ruined most real conversation around wrestling there are no real conversations anymore no no line it's it's over it's done big done so it's over just bits oh it's all bits it's all it's all yelling at the cloud it's all tribalism all minds mind is better engagement farming whatever you have you you know sensationalist videos and what have you people people making content that is not about the actual issue it's just you know you know just certain surface level shit just to get engagement and when I said at the time that it bothered me that certain people were doing that I remember that certain people got mad at me and unfollowed me I didn't forget that but I won't jump into that conversation because it still bothers me and you people again it's cool to talk about black issues when you know it's it's it's for a certain engagement but you know when it's actually fixing the issue and talking about to me about the real issue then we don't want to do that I want to do that no about a tweet no no I just I want to get I want to get some bullshit off on and some video clips and you know create fucking you know bullshit like all elite black or whatever all elite white people and whatever but listen man I like this shit I'm sorry I like this shit I thought it was corny but I thought it was super corny it gets me irrationally mad like I had it it's just certain things that if that's the conversation that we want to have real conversations I don't want to do it by doing sensationalist bullshit no and if we're fighting for wrestlers let's fucking fight for them but why are we fighting each other if we're doing that shut up I can add just sick roll six that little world don't give me in that either of how it bothers me that internet wrestling fans think that they can make or break these things and because of that internet internet wrestling fans think they make the wrestler and they think if they want to they can break the wrestlers they think I can decide I can put this out about you and ruin you I can put a narrative out and run and run with it and ruin you I don't like that that has become a thing that internet wrestling fans do it's fucking corny to me I wish they would I wish people would fucking stop it because I just seen this with the Jamie Hader thing this week like why are we digging up old shit but this is again where we're at with the tribalism thing or where we're at with just like oh y'all like this wrestler oh I don't really care for him let me go find a reason to dunk on him like cut it out bro like this is stupid I don't see the Jamie Hader stuff thankfully she's that nigga no somebody went and dug up some old stuff because that's what people be doing she didn't ain't been on TV ain't tweeted nothing but you going and digging up old shit for what forward no because that's what wrestling is I think I can find a reason to dunk on things I think I can find a reason to you know make a break or wrestle wrestling fans on the internet think that they have more power than they actually think than they actually have and they think they know more than they actually do a lot of y'all don't know nothing that's what that's like everybody being able to tweet their opinions out and people giving them validations because if you get valid one validation from somebody you think is worth it you're then oh fucking I don't know Bill Birmingham told me one time not Bill Birmingham that's crazy that I said that name uh fucking demolition acts told me one time that I was a cool blah blah blah so now I'm somebody and that's like legit how it happens oh my friend is fucking Barry Horowitz so I'm an insider now and it's like that's not really you're just a person on the internet that's like that's okay listen why nobody would just want to be people on the internet anymore Phil why why people not cool with just being who they are man what is that listen man I listen I love Steven University a great cartoon and then you know at one part you know Steven's saying the song man why don't you let yourself just be whoever you are man that's cool you ain't got it come on man that's what you gotta be you ain't gotta be somewhere different just be here why don't you just be who you are you ain't got to try and be insider you ain't got to try and act like you got info that you ain't got bro do you know what don't like stop don't click it out it's so much work we're we're attention feeling like yeah we are okay just stop dog just just be who you are bro cut it out tangent bill is really funny uh we got wrestling to talk about we should probably move forward I think but yeah y'all know it's hard out here you guys that's really like I don't even want to come on here and try to be like oh I'm like being a black wrestling fan is still the hardest thing in the fucking world trying to get people over that you like that are black is still the hardest thing in the world trying to get opportunities for wrestlers that aren't on tv that are black is still the hardest thing in the world so that's that's really the point i want to get over and it makes it hard for us to do that when you have somebody or certain people doing it for a look exactly and that's why again i didn't like certain things right because if it ain't for the wrestler who you doing it for who you doing it for i don't need this look i don't want that i don't want to clod at all i want you to talk about the wrestler don't talk about me are you doing it for the wrestler or are you doing it to bash with company because if it's to support the wrestlers then listen man it but again that's why i say all the time hey man support the wrestlers not the company you don't have to like some things that the company does but you can always support the wrestlers and what they're doing or don't i don't know if you don't fuck with the wrestler don't fuck with the wrestler you know it's easy to do that like you can like not like the learning tree but i like the learning tree i think is really good television that is absolute cap fill the learning tree is great like anytime the learning tree is on i'm just like you cut your tv off no i turned it up louder i want to hear it definitely turn the channel energy for me no no no keep it on turn your friends channel to call your friend tone turn on the tv because of learning tree not yeah capington big game uh who me uh we've got a bunch of hopper chats we do it is uh an amistive internet issues now you cook though fell uh let's see from tony p he uh Kendrick's jersey now hangs from every raster in the us and Canada uh all the pain pettiness uh for winning the award several hating hard with the pop-out concert by not letting up off that niggas neck yeah we've got some more from tony p says uh the city of l.a. sea walked and hoover danced on niggas grave uh then dug him up uh pissed on a body reburied him and repeated that shit six times dot dot set was basically a whole dis album safe to say callee will not have any trick shows for his next few tours um yeah i just don't see Drake going to l.a. and it being a good thing for and i want i want you guys i want to reiterate to you guys i've been i tweeted this i've been in situations where bloods and crips were in the same place and people died so this was this is amazing to see there was real like like people that have killed people danced on stage together the other night so no people that usually are not in the same place without violence happening exactly on the same stage there's a beautiful thing to see man it wasn't just a drake hate thing i was it was very beautiful what kendrick did towards the end but yeah the shenanigans of it also were very very funny and i mean i know we're all having fun but i do very much feel uncomfortable knowing that that kind of energy is put in put out there of you can't come back to l.a. yeah i don't like that because um that was a very real thing because listen man if biggie had not going back to callee and he to stay put he might be still here and there's so many things around that like i'm not saying that kendrick wants to make this violent but a certain language that's being around it that i'm not the most comfortable with yeah that's where it gets we can go back to the shit so where we're talking about earlier with land and culture and and sets and things and like with you like kendrick could be done like that could have been it on wednesday like he could have been like i'm finished here this is my final straw but like all the people attached around it all the young crazy niggas they're not done with this they were talking about uh they might shoot though not like us video this weekend and that they had to beef up security because you don't know what the fuck's gonna know now you know what i mean and that's how it's going to continue to be and i don't want that energy dude i just wanted some rap yeah that that that's where i'm like i just i hope people continue to keep this just wax i don't want none of that okay tony p says uh the only bad thing is that i had to miss it live before a good reason i am proud about i went to dynamite wednesday with my nephew and to my surprise it was my first live wrestling show as wrestling fan i don't uh no he said it was his first wrestling show it was his nephews sorry oh nice that's it i know going with um those situations are always fun like you like your uncle that is like the homie takes you to an event like this and you guys saw a really dope dynamite there was a lot of fun in-ring action and i'm sure i don't know how young your nephew is but whatever that age is it's like yo it's lit so shout out to y'all uh he says uh uh he said he enjoyed it i hope he truly remembers his finally his favorite match uh was the all-star attach because to quote him everyone went hard i am extra happy because as afro latino child he got to see a good representation of uh african-americans and latinos on this show uh as to the wrestling all companies had strong shows this week even if ratings were down for one bad faith people did what they do what i have to say it was maddening seeing that dave tweet dismissing juneteeth and the dot show uh yeah you know and i don't think that that was dave's intention but now um it just looked wild that when that tweet went up i was like that looks crazy i know i know that dave's probably dave's going off like historical numbers and he's like juneteeth has never been a factor why would it be today that's really what he's going on he's not going off of like it was nobody watched kendrick bar this is this older white guy that this boy's not watching the kendrick show and he's not it's it's like it's a context thing he's not he's not of the culture to have that kind of conversation people people in his circle don't were not not watching because the juneteens are watching a kendrick show um and i'm sure he's looking about brian last week on whatever he said on his oh yeah the cut thing so you know they don't know yeah and i'm sure he was looking at some numbers that we're not paying attention to i know there's other stuff that but that's all stuff that i personally don't care about and that's stuff that he's made a living um covering so you know it's just we're just having different conversations that's all that's it uh i still honestly don't even know of junete like i know people were outside i just don't know that played a role like he's right yeah i it just seemed like it was kind of an anomaly i don't it like i said i don't know enough about ratings or what actually changed it to give a solid answer i think anybody that is trying to act like they have a solid answer is being a bit disingenuous like all of it is speculation really totally uh see he says also 20 pieces uh super viv has to be exhausted to be the only white guy there with some understanding of black or pop culture out of uh figure four wrestling i mean yeah so kazimper viv i think does some doesn't he have like a patreon i joined with the black wrestling guys that he does so yeah he's tapped in uh joe purl watched and enjoyed the concert that should tell you the impact of that i just want all pop would you try to say about joe purl even joe purl was watching it like it's a big moment man like even if like i said even if you don't like hip-hop and you just like fucking great concerts and moments like a lot of people are tuned in that don't even know a lot about the beef you know yeah uh yeah but that i think that's also that that speaks to him not showing up anywhere while the music was coming out he was just put down music this is the first time we've seen him publicly since any of the music dropped right and like you said people are like what is this guy gonna do what is he gonna do what is he gonna say and is he gonna bring out is he gonna bring out wane he really thought he's gonna bring out i'm like he's not gonna bring out wane you guys come on bro if the craziest thing i thought of was cold getting on that stage i would have been like yo you know i never thought about cold that whole time that would have been uh i i definitely thought like what if cold shows up and that definitely feels like a cold thing to do because he's been trying to be a mediator so but no he was out somewhere doing yoga trying to get away from this shit definitely somewhere riding this bike on a beach or something i'm sure kendrick is like hey you could pull up if you want that would have been crazy so bro cold would have showed up that was been wild man but i appreciate him not like again cold right move brother in hindsight sorry who he was tripping when he bowed out you made the right move i tell you yeah wait listen man it's cool i still don't really mess with that grippy verse like that but i i i'm waiting for the new music bro i still like the last uh EP man me too now uh school boy q was like look we're gonna be see walking on this guy's grave i don't think you want any parts of this cold cold like i said i hear you bro bro cold getting on that stage and him doing not like us and doing the lines you did cold i don't know why you still acting like bro that would have been crazy okay one last thing on it does Drake respond no he should not yes this is it this is it i really think Drake should get low for a while and just like live his life man just like i agree come back when you got like a real hit come back with don't just drop music for the sake of dropping music cuz a lot more looses no you gotta drop you got a lot of people don't want to hear from you right now i think you should like get low like enjoy your life and then come with music when you know you got some shit like don't just come back to just drop for the sake of being like i'm still outside mm-hmm now but like if he if he stayed out for six months it came back with a hit it'd be fine that's what he needs to do but i don't think he can he's gonna come back in two weeks like cuz remember academics is treating tweeting a couple days ago new Drake coming in like it doesn't need to do you probably keep it probably keep it it's all right i just don't feel like he will though feel like if i'm in his position i'm i'm probably gonna drop like if i'm in his position drop drop drop drop just go that i think about that all the time about how he was taught this guy for weeks like when you go drop something like it's almost like you didn't really have anything to drop in man when he started dropping them records it's like all right maybe he did really have something like it it it feels like that guy that was sitting at the table like nah draw four like you ain't got no draws in your hand all of a sudden he started throwing all these draw fours down like nah maybe he has something to say and bro it's cool he wasn't bluffing i think that was real yeah i think that might have been the worst mistake Drake made out of all of it like no not putting out the songs not doing that saying to drop was the worst part you know i mean taunting this guy into destroying you it's great hey come beat my ass all of these things he was saying to like the pictures of and the kids at the show like day free at the top of the uh day free at the top of the executive producer list or whatever i'm like this guy is just diabolical uh tony p continues he said now not at that's out the way the real monster showed up to w w last night he looks good i want to see jacob versus big goont uh both fron and illia not attached to bray like some are uh but oh no he said not attached to bray like some are but happy peep happy for the people that were loved the ending of raw more ww murders please um yeah i think ww had a pretty big week uh i i think the best thing about wrestling currently is we're out of that low period right around uh Wrestlemania where all of their big story lines come to an end and then they got the draft so you can't really do anything until you get all of these people on their rosters where they're supposed to be and now it's like stuff is actually happening again yeah thank god it seemed like that period where we came on the podcast for like three weeks and it was like nothing was going on like bro what is happening here yet this week felt like this felt like what it should be immediately after Wrestlemania this felt like that energy instead of like it's after Wrestlemania let everybody have a breather know you need to go right into it and i think they got back into it yeah i mean i i think it's also because they had to draft like not long afterwards they got to figure that out so the time it was kind of weird and they they always have that kind of low period right around Wrestlemania anyway um but we got clash of the castle uh some stuff happened uh i thought it was an all right show of course uh it's the same with a lot of international shows where the crowd really makes it worth watching uh some of the matches and the stuff happening is really made better than by the atmosphere around it i forgot we potted before the show last week but so we haven't talked about it yeah our predictions weren't uh the main event yeah uh you know i i enjoyed the first match i think cody has had mostly good title defenses the finish was kind of anti-climactic i didn't really like it but i i liked a lot of stuff happening in the match i liked AJ beating on him the entire match uh him trying to go for the uh phenomenal forearm and getting hit with that chair that's flying back those people i i thought that was very very funny uh mama rose was like i'm not going and gave him the three slaps like i love the end that like i hated the uh the finish because it's like kind of makes AJ look kind of weird but then like they finish it and then cody looks over to mama rose like should i do it she's like yeah kill him and then he ends up killing him anyway violence violence um yeah then he he like goes out of his way to hit him with the stairs anyway because um and i like the story of that of um no i let my guard down with you before when you said you were going to retire and i was trying to have a happy moment with you and i'm not falling for this again no i'm hitting you with these chairs just there but get out here um yeah but i i thought it was a good match for what it was yeah i think i think these two guys worked really well together those two matches are like yeah this is kind of what we expected them to do like they cooked like i think uh cody needs more opponents like AJ i don't know there's not a lot of people like AJ but i thought that like the intensity and the match types were like perfect for this yeah yeah i i thought it was a good way to open a show crowd was very high for cody rose this guy is still insanely over a j got a very good reaction and i think that's the best thing about all of this is that they've given AJ more to do um he's come off as a legitimate contender still AJ styles man don't forget you know like bro yeah y'all got AJ back here he needs to be in position yeah as he'll work has been great uh we got the tag match which i thought the tag match was fun uh people kind of poo pooed over certain parts of it kind of unnecessarily i thought it was a bit overkill um but the big shocker yeah the big shocker is that Bianca and jade are no longer the women's tag champions uh the witches went into their home country and they are your new tag team champions i thought it was a really good moment fire out the fire she had a rough weekend going into that and you can see how emotional she was i was looking at how long they lingered on it and just her going to the crowd and like hugging her family and friends they were there i was like that was a great moment for um hopefully her and her family are doing well with everything that's going on yeah insane situation to her that happened to her so shout out to her for getting this moment i think there was uh that's when i started to get nervous about the main event i'm like oh damn they gave the women the big moment this is not a good sign and so that was great though i thought that of course they were overreacting jade slits on a spring bellard mile above this kind of dumb uh dumb stuff attached to it and the lingo around black women dresser i talked to a little bit talked about a little bit that's we saw it in full force here um i thought it was interesting how they didn't really tease like i thought that the Bianca and jade thing would play a bigger role and why they lost and it was it was just kind of like oh no they won you know what i mean it wasn't like teasing the breakup as much as i thought they would um they're doing something interesting here but i i i i see what they're doing and i don't think they're teasing it because they're still laying the groundwork to get you to think that Bianca is going to be the one to turn heel uh got not buying it did you see that exchange between her and bailey last night on twitter they're trying to they're creating this this scent between her and bailey to make it seem like she's going to be the one that goes too far she's going to end up turning heel with the bailey stuff but i don't believe you ww i still think that jade is going to be the one that turns and i think all of this is a red herring um i wouldn't be surprised if they also win the tag titles back um i don't think that they're done with them as a tag team yeah that's what that kind of felt like i didn't feel like they were done telling the story with them as tag team champions yet yeah i don't even if they're not champions i don't think they're done with them as a team i think that they have good chemistry i think they're a lot of fun to watch together or the tag maneuver that they do to end and match looks good um and so i i usually not a lot of wrestling people in any company that look better than them together so yeah so i i i definitely think we're going to see more of them uh we got a bit more of it last night on smackdown which again kind of leads to my belief even the way Bianca lost i'm like they really want us to believe Bianca's turning heel they want to act like she's getting frustrated but yeah as as a character i'm like i don't want to see a heel Bianca so and jade as heel just makes more sense so i see i see where they're going yeah it's just the way what they're doing here and you can tell like Naomi is the one that really gets along with bailey like she's like no that's my girl and then Bianca's like no i don't like her i've been trying to tell you i don't like her like stop stop i don't like her it's like it's like stop stop trying to make this a thing like ever since you came back you've really been trying to get her over and we don't uh we i don't like her i'm never going to stop bringing her over here pro like i was like not just cool though don't worry about she act different around me uh stop bringing her over here i keep trying to tell you pro oh yeah you're going over her career but play cornhole like i don't stop damn uh but yeah i did i thought that i thought that match was a lot of fun for what it was you know Sammy saying uh Jack gable was good as well i think the storytelling they did with the oldest stuff was uh gable was really really great uh when Otis finally turns on him buddy that pop is gonna be massive all right they they are stretching it i thought that was gonna be it i thought the time on raw was gonna be it i'm like okay they're really that yeah when it finally does hit and Otis hits them with that world strongest lamb like people are gonna go yeah hand me yeah i like it i thought it might have been a little too overbooked but i thought that the match as a whole was really fun wwe needs a new finish their finishes are just we've seen it too many times yeah exactly it's like okay come up with a new one you guys yeah it's certain stuff that i'm like all right but i thought there were very clever things they did in this match uh to keep us engaged in that storyline with alphacademy i do think that they should have pulled the trigger on putting the button jack gable uh but but i think they're waiting um to get him i think they're waiting for him to start his alliance with uh green decrees and to like effectively get away from the alphacademy i think i think because alphacademy like has that stigma of just being a comedy act because that's what it is yeah so i think they're waiting for him to just go full on and be like a heel stable and so at least i'm hoping that that's what it is yeah right like you guys got to be doing something because i thought that clash of the castle was the moment and i'm like well because you don't want to see continuously like oh chad gables in another intercontinental championship match that he's gonna lose and you don't want to be attached to that but if they're building to some big heel win from him at from summer slam or something like that i i can see it yeah um the other part of the story of course is that um not gonna offer chad another title match now because he lost like he kept saying at the end sammy was like this is it no more you lost um but i think story wise he's gonna find a way to get back in the title picture i do think that he will eventually be intercontinental champion at least i'm hoping that's where we're going gotta be some kind of conclusion to this like if it's all that he goes hill and he wins nothing i'm like i don't know if that's really the way to go about this yeah uh the the women's title match was what it was uh chelsey green is hilarious chelsey's great what the greatest characters they got over there i thought it was really funny that she came out in her like killed and everything again um she was out there hyped up hyper and then she got kicked out and she came right back down with the same outfit and everything he just put the mask on like you would know who it was we just saw you out here like ten minutes ago you still wish to say i like the i thought the match is fine i like to finish a lot though of bailey hitting the the crucifix driver and having to hold her down like i thought that was a really creative finish yeah i thought that was very smart uh i thought that uh i immediately was like yeah work to riho that's how riho wins a lot of her match where she kind of like uses her uh ingenuity and stuff to beat a bigger opponent so yeah i really like that finish uh the main event was a very very good match um i enjoyed the match on the whole that finish man uh both of us were predicting that drew McIntyre was gonna win here yes and i i thought that going into the show midway into the show i was like oh i don't know i was worried after that women's tag match i'm like i don't know and then after piper i was like something about this doesn't feel good for drew for me yeah and there were certain things i was thinking because we already knew that punk was in Glasgow and i was like punk is gonna play a part in this in some exactly and so my immediate immediate thought was okay i think punk is gonna try and screw him out of the title but he's gonna it's gonna backfire um and i i tweeted this i was like i think the visual of him recreating all the stuff from money to bank 2011 and jumping in the crowd and running away and blowing the kiss out i mean running away with the belt i think that would have been a fire finish in Glasgow i had a little bit sick drew runs through the crowd with the belt and punk plays the mints role of like hey come back here with my belt yeah i i thought that's where we were going uh so pretty good damn so uh the finish we get uh credit to them i think the camera work they did on it was great yes uh having kept sliding and we just see the ref sliding again from behind but then when it kept the further the camera kept going back i saw the Jordan's on the feet i was like wait a minute and then i saw like the back is in and then the camera cuts to him doing the same exact pose from the meme that Drew was using for the show i thought that was all very well done i thought that was not funny then he hooked him in the balls and that's when i was like all right the rest of this is kind of wonky just like having like the punk was great but then after that i was like ah yeah the rest of it in execution i was just kind of like all right and of course you know the Glasgow crowd hated it a lot of people on tour but the wild part about this is there were seeing punk chants throughout this show and i thought when he cost him the match i was like oh he's gonna get booed out of building and then he like proceeded to get like a smattering of booze but he also got like a bunch of seeing punk chants i was like okay and like even like that clip of him like leaning on the barricade and all those crowds were like yeah she hooked and i'm like but he just cost your guy and that's why in the press conference the first question somebody was like how do you feel that uh Scotland hates you right now punk was like oh i feel like a lot of them kind of like me i don't feel like as bad as you say and so we we got to get into so everything about this punk thing i can see other people being furious at this boy did i think all of this was really funny um because they did a lot of things that played off of punk's last few appearances in AW they did a lot of things they played off of brawl out on the one year anniversary of collision yes yeah yeah um so first of all like just everything he did him coming in there and saying hey man i thought you guys hated me here and i was just like what did i hear him say that line before interesting uh and they're just uh a lot of things he did afterwards a lot of stuff he was saying the way he was hyping it up like yeah i think i'm clear and i'm going to be back and he went to the press conference this is his first press conference correct me if i'm wrong since brawl out yep came walking in with the with the box of donuts eating sweets and i was just like so it looks very familiar um here he's uh he's hamming it up uh that clip of him saying bloody you got to get that fantasy book issue crying laughing bro crying but there are a lot of people that didn't i'd like that i thought it was very funny i'm sorry i begin you know i again i i know some of this stuff is going to bother people because he's a very polarizing guy i thought it was very funny he he proceeded to do all of these things and then after the press conference was over um after the press conference was over we cut back to the panel and they were on their arguing about how dare punk do this how can he do that how would you how you're going to let this guy do this and get away with it and bear it was like this guy should be fired and i was like listen when they take their shots over there sometimes it could be very much like oh god why are we doing this this was berry clever there was so many things they did in this that i was like that's kind of funny way berry is uh very much poking fun at tony con in this and saying well how dare you say that your representation for wrestling and change and wrestling how can you bring that guy back here he's got to be fired and he was totally making fun of uh tony con being a bit wishy washy after brawl out and then bringing this guy back anyway um again that's going to rub some people the wrong way yes sir i thought that it was clever um i thought a lot of things that punk did in that press conference were very uh trolling like he always does but i thought a lot of it was harmless and funny um when he said that he was going to be cleared and he said i'm going to be in chicago i was like oh drew is going to kick his ass i knew it would be i was like drew is going to fuck him up yeah i was like even when he came out monday and he was saying i quit i was like i don't believe you drew you're going to be in chicago on friday i see what's going now a lot of people off the backs of that match are like well we always thought that this match did or this few doesn't need the championship so my question is does drew mac and titer ever get crowned the champion so this is the issue and this is back to what i don't like about the finish and what i don't like about the build to this at all um you already told us going into this match that you have to challenge your set for summer slam gone through yep and so you kind of murky the you kind of murky the water a little bit coming up the whole time i'm like i don't you know it's like i don't know something about this is uh and it's like i i personally think drew versus gunther is a better match same um but it kind of feels like they're telling us in so many words like gunther is the guy he's next up but we're not quite done here with priests either right it's just such a weird little fire line they're trying to dance around and so i i thought going into clash of castles they could go both ways but i was thinking the whole time like there's no way drew goes into clash and lose is twice right two times in a row is like you guys cannot do this and they did it though they did it i i yeah i do think that that was the right call wrong call i think they should put it on drew i get people behind that it'd be like uh i'm like even afterwards and they're like oh well priest i'm like no like they did it to him twice dude in the main event is christ yeah and the funny the funny thing about all of this is again in siempunk lore the thing that i thought about in all of this is the podcast well he's on art wrestling when he was explaining him dropping the title to rock and how uh events was telling like no you're gonna be the hottest seal in the company and don't worry about it you'll be fine he was like well how am i gonna be fine what do i have going up okay you're gonna get taker at Wrestlemania and he's like but i'm wrestling an old guy is he gonna be at work on monday and i immediately thought about all of this stuff going into this is because it's like punk is now punk is now in a situation that he hated he's he's on the other side situation he hated because now it's like your taker now because it's like now drew didn't win the title there and your argument is oh well you're still one of hottest heels in the company and at summer slam you're just gonna you're gonna work seeing a punk so it's like oh you're gonna work though this older guy that may or may not work weekly television and so i thought about all of this immediately and i thought it was really funny i'm not gonna wrestle that old guy and drew he's like i want to be world champion they're like that's fine you don't need to be world champion you know no work i do you're gonna be the hottest hill of the company and so um all of that stuff is very funny and very ironic um but i do think like this feud is gonna do well uh of course we're just drew get crowned as moment because it's gumpers time i don't know i don't know see this is the worry i have here is that if he doesn't win a clash of the castle and you crown gun through summer slam you're not gonna make gun through a transitional champion you know where where where are you gonna get back to drew getting his title match when is he gonna get the win i don't know it it feels like this was the time to do it like if anybody was going to be a transitional champion at least make drew the transitional champion by giving him the big clash of the castle win then it doesn't matter now of course for all context reasons um we're not supposed to feel bad for drew here drew is the bad guy he's they drew drew uh got in the elimination chamber in a in the ferris ways he cheated to win the elimination chamber match um and then he had his moment at ruslamania he won could have just rolled off into the sunset he was a big jerk jerk about it and he lost his belt he could still be champion right now so we have no real reason to feel bad for you he is the bad guy here but just looking at how all of this looks the guy just resigned and everything about it just looks crazy like you he's won the poster for clash of castles you're promoting this whole show around his whole coming bro he was coming out had this big pop um at one point he's walking around like taking it in and you can see him the documentary they made like they made this guy look like a superstar man yeah so yeah he's walking in you can see the crowd he's taking it in and you can see he's like totally tearing up and then all of a sudden he's like he's like trying to hype himself up and get out of it because like wait a minute i'm a bad guy i'm a bad guy and so um all this stuff is happening so i'm like this should be his crowning moment this should be the i didn't get my ruslamania moment i'm gonna get this i'm gonna get what i'm supposed to get here what happened here but at the same time but at the same time i understand the story they're telling from the perspective of he is a bad guy and he's done all of these things to get this moment because oh well i lost my moment last year at clash of castle i'm old this i'm it's i'm entitled to this so yeah you're not supposed to feel bad for him in character it's just so many things around it where it's like your fan base is telling you though we kind of want it's so it's so you don't do it it just it just looks crazy all around man i was gonna say you don't get a lot of moments like this but like they start you're not gonna get that moment back yeah like if they go next year they can't i'm not i don't believe in drew makatarian i'm sorry you're not gonna get that moment back this feels very much like uh ruslamania last year where you had to chance that time to give kody that win and you should have just done it and there's like i know you're just like oh we'll kick the can down the road there's story we're telling here yeah i feel you but bro this is it's not gonna hit like it's not gonna hit like this one now now listen as a punk fan did i think a lot of this was very funny did i get my tweets off and get all my jokes off and amidst of this yes i thought it was a lot of fun i laughed very hard at it but i still think this was the wrong move i think they should have put the butt on drew i think they could have still did all the stuff with punk but like you said then drew still overcomes it you know what i mean because like yeah what yeah i know you're gonna have what gump through just fucking destroy priest and then move on i'm just like well here's the funny thing about that given all other stuff to happen this week i wouldn't be surprised if priest is not champion somerslant bro if they put that belt on rollers bro forgot your boy did it bro oh man they put that belt on rollers i'm gonna cry laughing bro oh my god and they could easily do it they're gonna do it i think they're gonna do it uh because the thing is the story gunther's been telling for over a year is i am the workhorse champion on this brand you were trying to do that in name only with the world heavyweight champion but that's really my seat until i was ready for it and i was going to beat you until you know you had your knee injury and priest ended up winning the elimination chamber match that was my match to win i was the one that was going to beat you he came out and challenged Rollins before uh royal rumble he said i am gonna win the royal rumble and i am going to beat you and so i think there's more of a story to doing that match at somerslam than a priest matchup and there's certain stuff to it like i mean even if you just get into what their world heavyweight title means i could see them wanting sefta have two rings early on and rack up some numbers with that belt um i could easily see seftrana 20 and it just makes bigger for the story and it's gonna be a bigger win for him beating Rollins because like if he just throttles priest like if he just if he just throttles the guy that used the cash in to get the belt and not the guy that was for better purposes like the heart and soul of raw for a long time the guy that's like i am monday night Rollins this is my show it means more to be seft just like it meant more to cash in on seft um and so i wouldn't i be surprised if seft beat him in money i mean there's still one more i'm just gonna say that there's still one more pay-per-view before somerslam and that's sorry priest is raw so Rollins is back like is he good yeah so uh i think i thought the follow-up to clash at the castle was a lot better than clash at the castle itself um i think coming in this weekend and opening raw with uh Rollins showing back up everybody was surprised to see him i immediately laughed i was like man this guy in john moxley just will not stay at home they stay down like bro he he wouldn't got that knee surgery as soon as he was ready he was back came out with his uh uh white cochina uh um swag i was like oh we're back it's all of course this my guy i was happy to see him pyro jumping off big massive pop for him um and he immediately was like i won my belt like i was like yes i won my belt wake it up wake that up um so he is he is challenging he will be damey a priest challenger at money at the bank oh i know i didn't know they announced the match damey and priest is dead oh that's why i was saying that i thought you knew that all this time oh he's dead the match is enough i got to know they announced the match oh uh priest yeah i i just think out of the options i i think damey a priest has been flying as champion i like damey a priest but if you ask me what would i rather see at summer slam the stuff around as far as it's going to do of course do you think uh it's the lingo around it sounds like punk is going to be ready um yeah so it sounds like they're talking like that so i did this bait switch with us which i knew was a bait switch the second he said it in the press conference he was where he was because he was like i'm going to go home and i'm going to talk to my doctor and hopefully show up one once back down and tell you guys that i'm cleared and i was like if it was just that simple i think he would have been like guys i'm pretty close i'm cleared i'm just going to get the confirmation and so when he was phrasing it that way i was like oh this is all the work again Drew is gonna fuck this man up ice when he was saying i was like Drew is gonna fuck him up and so uh yeah but i think opening raw this way with uh with ryland because raw has been struggling um and then closing the show with the Wyatt stuff i think it definitely gave raw to shot an arm and needed because raw has been kind of it's kind of been boring like it's been stuff happening but a lot of it has been like all right let's get to it let's just three hours when it's when it's uh uh two hours and 15 minutes into that show you're like bro oh my god it's hot yeah yeah it just it just felt like uh more than anything not just the lulls from Wrestlemania but the injuries and all the free agency stuff really hurt raw and so getting getting one of the biggest stars back in ryland and then getting like a fresh storyline because buddy i am ready to move on from this judgment day stuff i like i like everybody in that group i like everybody involved but with the stories they're telling and it feels like we've been telling the same story for the last year i'm like all right we got to do something different with the judgment day you guys yeah i am ready but biggest story out of raw we got with the debut of the Wyatt six six six six six six six six six um i i thought this was very good i thought this was a very good way to close the show i was immediately intrigued by all of it i feel like i was watching basketball for most of this raw but i did watch this entire segment um i think i watched it live or at least i watched the entire segment right afterwards i thought this was a really good way to introduce them i'm sure people are gonna have their same complaints that they always have with the Bray Wyatt stuff either it's even for you or it's not for you and i i thought that this was great um i thought they did a lot of really good things here with the reveal um i just even even starting at the way they did having the visual cue of uh Nikki crawling out of the darkness to the to the lantern i thought that was very poetic and then her giving the reveal backstage that all this stuff happened backstage it very much looked like when uh Ivan News destroyed the command center um i thought all of the all of that stuff was cool i thought the reveal of Bray was not Bray but uh Uncle Howdy was great and he turned around and there's there's so many like easter eggs you can find and it's like what he what Uncle Howdy was wearing he had the one of the gloves that Bray used to wear when he was the scene but instead of the harm and heard it had Bray on the front um we got to see rowing back uh in the rambling rabbit mask i think uh Mercy the Buzzard is supposed to be Dexter Lumis husk is the pig is probably uh Joe Gacy of course Nikki Cross Abby the witch uh five members um i'm assuming we're probably gonna get a six maybe Alexa Bliss um but i've also seen somebody say that uh the six members probably just Bray in spirit he's just he's the leader of the group in spirit um and i kind of like that idea as well uh but there's there's so many things i really like it about it like even when you just pick up why certain people are who they are um like Joe Gacy makes the most sense of husk is the pig because we think of like what that based off of husky hairs going to nxt and reinvent and reinventing himself and coming back up is Bray like of the guy that went to development and did this thing and came back up Joe Gacy had a very like Bray Wyatt esque character as well um there are a lot of cool touches in his gear and costume like he had on the uh wristbands and stuff that Bray did with the muscle man dance when he was doing a firefly uh funhouse and i think all of that kind of easter egg stuff and lore if you're into that stuff you're gonna like it if you don't care about those things of course you're like get the spooky shit on my tv was really good to see rowing involved in this man um as somebody that was a long time collaborated with Bray as somebody that is also mourning uh Brody and Bray at the same time he had the uh skull on the back of his uh jacket that was Brody's old mask when they used to do the bludgeon brother's thing i thought that was a good touch he had the bludgeon brother's hammer with the help on the front if you also want to get into again the characters they pick he makes the most sense that as rambling rabbit because rambling rabbit in the firefly flunhouse was the character that Bray Wyatt used to smash a lot and but he stayed loyal to him think of all of the times that eric rowing tried to leave the Wyatt family and go face and he always ended coming ended up coming back so i really like the idea of him being rambling rabbit and having help on this thing because yeah he cannot seem to get away from this Wyatt stuff the guy left the company he it came back to be involved in some Wyatt stuff so it's just little touches like that i really enjoy um i got a bit emotional at the idea of bow picking up braise uh lantern and raising it like he's still here he still lives on in what we're doing um i really loved it man now the thing would break things as always is it usually starts very good but the follow-up what would the follow-up gonna be? as a tribute rest in peace to bray Wyatt great rest in peace to uh uh Brodie Lee amazing so we got super chats um do we no do i don't want any parts of that shit so you know what um zero percent like as a tribute i amazing i love that they paid i love it but beyond monday i'd never want to see it again yeah i i thought they executed it very well i i enjoyed it people died what is why are people dead on this somebody have their voice somebody's brains are blown out fell i don't know if their brains were blown up well what the hell was that there's blood it looked like it well listen we we want it we want it blood and wrestling again um yeah i i thought this was a lot for it it did really well uh right out the gate it had like 2.6 million views on youtube last time i looked at it um and again that's the stuff like if you're into the bray stuff if you're one of those fans that loves this stuff like it's gonna appeal to you but if you're you're like rash and some people that never liked any of this stuff it is not going to be for you like i said i thought it was a hot way to bring raw back to open with rylens and then close the show with the reveal of uh the why at six i thought it was great um i i thought it made raw interesting again yeah uh unfortunately for them smackdown i think came and had the better like their ending yeah i i thought smackdown was better but smackdown also did something very similar like they opened the show with siempunk um and had like the siempunk stuff in chicago um at one point he ran out and i was like is he going to relax right you're not and so he he ran to the barricade and immediately stopped i was like yeah yeah don't be playing like don't even be playing like that do that um but i thought the opening segment was really good the stuff with him and paul was good um oh yeah yeah paul hayman coming out and crying essentially and being well like please help me please save me from these people um like uh he's like just take me with you man i don't want to be over here these guys are so crazy um and that that reveal when paul said that when uh paul was like what do you want for me and paul was like please take me in the crowd went down though like they would be into that uh that pairing again chicago i'm there uh but yeah i thought all this stuff's funny i thought getting paul and punk for the first time in the rain together in chicago was dope pretty um i i enjoyed all of that i think uh the bloodline coming out and punk immediately going no i'm not worried about punk i'm not worried about you guys i would have been if you were led by roman but you're not roman sorry you and in the fake who sells i'm not afraid of you guys um and so i i thought all that was good and also the subtext of it that i was thinking i was like well you should be afraid because i knew drew was going to show up but then i also very much like the idea that he came out there with all the confidence in the world like hey yeah i'm here with my boys i'm here to beat you up and all the time punk doesn't know that jacob is there and so this could have either way punk was gonna have a bad night i can get beat up yeah one way or another he was gonna have a bad night um all the ops pulled up to chicago ready to fight um so i yeah i i really like the opening segment i i i like that uh cody came out without music as soon as he came out through the crowd without music i popped immediately i was like it's like collision it's like curly collision the first thing i thought that's fine i don't want to have this conversation again um but yeah i mean go figure i think the stuff they're doing at the bloodline is working as well yeah me too i thought the segment right after that where um solo was talking to to paul in their locker room and he was like sitting like right on top of him he was like so you want to leave what are you saying you want to go you want to go somewhere i was it gave me very much like i was like man get paul out of this abusive relationship yeah bro bro these people man hey i want to be saved it's crazy out here free paul uh but yeah i thought all that all that stuff from that segment was good and then before the main event where he's talking to him and he was like bro you're breaking all the rules what are you doing roman told me like you're supposed to stay away from punk you're just you're supposed to stay out of this you're not supposed to actually challenge kody you're just supposed to keep him in check and he was like man i hate to tell you but roman's not coming back and paul's face it very much looked like it looked like where your parents got the divorce and they're like your dad's not coming back on you're fine you have that realization of like damn it very much looked like he was like oh shit i'm stuck here man oh this is it but all that stuff was good the main event of course i knew that was a red hearing coming straight they didn't switch why they do this to us why because because you're because you're getting solo kody it's something probably i was hoping that since the big ooze debuted that they switched the match maybe because they can't do so too solo cannot main event the show yeah uh yeah so we got this to play out you know the baby faces cornered solo uh and we got the big debut of jacob flyto i thought the execution of the debut was really good jacob looked great uh he looked dynamic he looked like he uh flimmed down some men in the jam he'd been in the jam as fuck yeah he he looks incredible i thought all of his uh moves said and everything looked good the splashed through the table boy that the air he got on that man like he he looked incredible uh i i was very happy for him and i think he's gonna do very well over there um and i mean to what you're saying he already looks like he outshines those other guys remember that that story came out a few weeks ago they're like they're worried that jacob's gonna come in yeah he did it none of that fast um when solo first debuted i think they were trying to give up like uh an umaga vibes or like that kind of samoan savage type thing this was that like this was like you saw jacob and you're like oh this fool's crazy he's gonna kill somebody and like knowing his history knowing what he's been through and knowing what he'll put somebody through such a great moment man i thought that he really shined he looks menacing he looks like like the bloodline has been pretty hot like with the their new additions g o d and all that but this felt like oh shit this is something yeah uh this this was this was great um and as the week of uh west coast is back this definitely looked like uh it's samoan werewolf had to pop off the show show some niggas like he showed up maybe he was out he was out there he had to shirt immediately shirt is already up one fanatic last uh i have definitely not drank tennessee and smoked weed with that guy that just debuted on smackdown last night he's in ww now it's a long time ago so but yes i'm so happy for the big oose i remember wait i remember talking to him while doing these activities and being like hey are you ever gonna go over there and him being like of course but when they you know there's some things that we have to get through there's some some obstacles that i'd have to get over so i'm so happy that he got over those obstacles man the big ooses in ww now well deserved uh i thought this was this was a really good debut for him i was waiting i was wondering for a while like why are they waiting so long and you know i was going with the theory at one point that maybe he was going to show up with roman maybe he's going to be a part of baby faces he's saying this guy with the heels i was wrong he's he's a menace he's over there saying the next to tomma yeah like that's i think that's where he needs to be at yeah no this was this was the right call uh i do still think that they're building to the war games match but yeah i'm now wondering how they're going to build the baby face team um maybe it's going to be roman and oose and big sam sam i mean it's because sam and jay have still been kind of telling that story that their homies for a long time we'll make a lot of sense it makes sense uh maybe uh because the other the younger uh the younger bloodline uh won't be ready for that like there's zilla and what's the other homies name yeah um there's another guy uh um he used to be an mlw with jake i can't remember right now but there's a couple of other usa uh uh family members that they could be involved but i don't think they would be ready you talk about lance right lance yeah that's lance yes yes lance is his name um i don't think they would be ready for that spot you know what i mean like to be next to roman and oose is like you need somebody big i i think if you want to go it fall in with the baby face turn for roman um i i wouldn't be mad at him burying a hatchet with guys that he has shown that he really hates like the idea of uh the bloodline team being the current four we know maybe with hickalayo added to make five and then and then the bloodline other team being roman oose and kevin and sammy i would i think that would make a mess you know the baby face bloodline might get dragged though because he'll love it i got some savages over there but bro those those five guys getting together is going to get a massive pop definitely huge huge when roman comes back it's going to be it's going to be sick yeah i get sick pop bro that was a part of this show at one point where paul haman brought up roman and he started getting a roman chan i was like a roman chan in chicago bro i was there i was there at money in a bank 2018 when the beach balls were happening during roman versus gender that guy got damn near booed out of the building so they haven't my thing my question is roman's gonna come back they haven't done the full knock roman out like they haven't done the beat the beat down yet but he's gonna get he's already going to get a massive baby face pop when he comes back though right yes i'm assuming that's happening is i'm just like i feel like he's already like the fans are already like he's a baby face we don't care as soon as he comes back he's our guy which is kind of wild to like how did he get there so fast it's crazy well not fast but it's well i mean they already wanted to cheer him and what they're doing with paul as well it's helping setting him up it's setting it up and they're just planning more and more seeds every time like they're they're setting you up to see that solo is really like doing all the stuff he's not supposed to do it's it's like it's uh it's like we're watching flash right now trying to lead to five heart beats like you you're not any king like come on dog like like i know i know you think you could slide into this flat but you ain't that guy man shout out to the they call me jake though i'm really excited about that and i hope they change i hope he gets the match at summer slam because that would make a lot more sense than solo but yeah he's gonna outshine them and they i hope they don't try to put a muzzle on them i hope they let him completely do it bro if we turn it on and he's doing the growling and stuff too come on man they can't help themselves feel that's the issue and you know they want to do it bro you know because at least they chilled on that because remember a few weeks ago when tomah did that whatever he was doing when he was being really weird remember that yeah that was that's what i'm saying like you know he wants to do the growler too like with tomah started growling i was like okay i kind of got the energy last night at one point they zoom in on jake's face and he's like doing like the big and i'm like bro careful they will make you know what they will do to you if you go too much there was a there was a part of uh somebody put like a clip of them walking backstage after the show went off the air and like sam and uh it's like poor Haman like hunched shoulders he's like all said walking in the back and all the bloodline is walking in behind them and all you can hear is uh jake up behind them going hell yeah that's the energy i'm like jake up is so different than everybody else too because he's like a you know what i mean like everybody's like everybody comes to their culture there's someone there's all this stuff but like jake up is like like i said he didn't see him like blunt like this guy's a real nigger on some shit like he's he's like you gotta be careful gotta be careful sorry gotta be careful because some people really think uh i didn't mean like he's black i mean like he's just awesome some real shit yeah just i'm just saying people people think you know they all have black wives though so they're about to get inside of here with this show today this this will be our last episode this is it i think hey we brought a nice round i think well we did it pretty nice though they thought we were gonna be a body here when uh the other guy we're done yeah this is they didn't want to see us win kalad has been real quiet with all this Drake stuff to where's kalad at you heard nothing from kalad bro you just going crazy on the Drake stuff he said no he said one word yeah oh uh that's my dad what did we get all into uh um jake oh aj and noah that's a thing too that's pretty dope yeah uh those other news we got aj uh going to noah that we have these making all these international deals i don't know what's going on we're willing to deal in willing and dealing i do like the kind of the things behind this of like noah was like we want aj styles bro we know who that is and i just love that of like just like i was saying earlier don't forget dude this is one of the greatest pro wrestlers of all time and like he gets mixed up in the roster but like he is still aj styles and like he is still wanted and he is still sought after after all these years and we still want to see him in big matches uh yeah uh i think i think this is cool because i definitely thought after knock them where did the match uh that that was it we probably weren't going to see any more connections and i definitely was looking around with people like hey this is the real forbidden door and all this other stuff and i was like i don't know if we're going to see this again um you know sure show me because the aj styles we'll be wrestling and uh noah's show coming up uh let me get the date for it in front of me what do they call it the prohibited portal or whatever oh my god bro bro people are so funny the prohibited portal a bunch of people that were on the noah roster like who could aj styles wrestle i think they picked one of the best guys for sure yeah marifuji is definitely going to get a really good match out of them uh that is coming up it's going to be at the budakan on july 13th so it's not too far away three weeks huh uh but yeah i i think that's really dope i love to see uh stuff like this really excited for things like this and eo going and having to match up at mari gold with utami um good for aj i think this is great that he's kind of getting to do all of these things because he's got to be wrapping it up soon i would think so and for a minute there i was looking around like what are they doing with this guy over there yeah you know kind of feeling i'm having right now with fin valor of like what are you doing with this guy like this this judgment day thing was cool but this is fin valor this is one of the most influential wrestlers of the last decade like get this guy come on man get this guy some big matches get him in some big story lines like what yeah they got him in the it's the same aj style saying like dude that's fin valor like i don't think you guys know who's back here like he could still go and cook like he could still go and be world champion at another company and like it wouldn't be crazy at all like you guys don't really understand and the the judgment day stuff i get kind of mixed up because it's like he's most of the time he's in the main event like he's that he's featured but just like not as much as he should be or not the way that he should be at it because he kind of pays like i don't want to say second fiddle but he's kind of like a background character also in the judgment day also you know what i mean yeah uh see do we have any super chats in the mix of fun yeah we got a bunch of super chats i haven't read one in a long time well hold on in the mix so far my internet issues i did 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super chat says so i have to fill rent when it comes to the rock ww hyped up as the moanside more than his black side and that never sat right with me that should hurt uh they did but that's also like how they were marketing then is you we saw for a long time that uh they did not really know how to market to black fans that it's absolutely changed but at that time yeah no they like in 1998 we weren't getting no sexy red on there or any like the equivalent you know what i mean no they didn't not to market black women that way we weren't getting i mean we heard the stories from jazz we've heard numerous black wrestlers that were over there and how you know they didn't get the marketing that a lot of wrestlers were getting but they were champion and they were hot and they just weren't getting the promotion still talk about jazz and not have an action figure not having any merch like it's the thing great uh Jay Stone said the feds are watching so they keep in fills Wi-Fi janky wrestling corn tail pro is real filled with spin there's like now let's mess this guy's stream i'll be going to hard wrestling corn tail pro i'm dead uh bragav said they have been treated people of asian origin well either jeff japan china india etc all the indians i've seen have been bad guys who hate america yeah the the foreign hill thing they still do that that's kind of unseen all the time like you guys are still doing this foreign hill thing you hate america i'm like dude i live in america like i don't live in america but yeah that's wrestling uh wrestling has uh made racism and xenophobia a big part of its marketing tactics for a long time and that has not changed yep i just there always think back to Wrestlemania 7 because i think that's a pretty early when i run the time i started watching uh wrestling and that whole sergeant slaughter fighting against hogan and iraq and all i'm like what i'm just a kid it's crazy but yeah it's built off the backs of that uh learned as the third says the two world title system does not work going all the way back to 2001 they find a way to put the second title on a black guy rock king booka bobby kofi have never been the the guy uh you're still there uh revan f2 says i feel the same about latina wrestlers unless you're betraying misterio in a rehashed angle what are you doing yeah i thought that they would have more for santos at this point that he thought i felt like when he came up i was like oh this guy is gonna be hot and it's not he wasn't on the show at all last night huh no you sir was he didn't he come out to confront somebody well he came out to confront uh la night right because he because uh they're gonna have to qualify oh that's where he was i'm like i thought i didn't see him i'm thinking of um on draw day yeah uh we didn't see on draw day but we could ask a bar came out in that segment and then you know we got the uh locan paul stuff after that uh yeah yeah yeah uh uh uh whoa i hate this theme song so much right so bad uh live class says happy grab red ratty grab rat grabs ratting day i can't say that uh wish me luck good luck uh i i i think he's saying it's his wedding oh wedding day grabs wedding day is what you're trying to say holy shit sorry about that good luck with that um congratulations if that's uh if that's if i'm reading that correctly it looks like he's saying it's what congrats and i'm sure this is a very stressful day and the fact that you took some time to even show love to us we really appreciate that so good luck out there bro that's dope uh a johnnie one says who's got the most lit ring entrance right now between trick william's j-u-soh or swerve strickling it might be jay i think it might be jay yeah it might be jay just like with all the presentation of it of like just like initially with them fireflies boy he got a part of that conversation he's like oh you're not gonna have these fireflies all yours but y'all just that presentation initially of the fireflies and then just all all the people you know him having the people i think is what separates them yeah when they do the big okay yeah it might be crazy yeah visually probably jay yeah uh running mike clip says everyone was talking about pinterest contract coming up what do people think they're going to do with him in the fed he would re right next to on dry day with the other mexicans i don't know um and i'm sure they would love to have yeah i mean nobody has presence like penta like it would like make a lot of sense um they legit probably would just throw them in the lw although like not even kidding like i'm not even joking even 100 being the lw oh uh well it turns the third says the 69 god got his cali privileges revoked in the most vicious way imaginable amazon paid for drakes lyrical soul to be violated by an entire state now whoever uh whoever posted that clip of uh sous serf from uh the joe blen podcast where he was like man we didn't invest in this a pyroos well what did we invested all our money in pyroos you know hilarious free sir free sir um oh and a show we did not shout out amazon for a flawless ass dream was your stream working like the whole time russian did not drop out it initially it wouldn't start for me for some reason but once it started yeah it was fun yeah uh j stone says bianca was noticeably annoyed losing last night and last weekend think there are several subtle hints at a turn maybe the swerve is her betraying jade yeah we got a little bit into that early i don't believe them i i think that that's what they want us to believe i think that through red herring i don't think she's actually going to turn yeah jade being kind of you could tell by jade's body language and how she talks like what time it is yeah she just jade just works better as a heel too that's it uh jana says people are sure gumpher went that summer slam but i am not oh they're not win maybe he won't but um i i can't see it yeah let's see even if he even if he doesn't win that leaves even more than my belief that seph Rollins could end up winning the title of money in the bank yeah because if he doesn't beat Rollins at summer slam i think they're just gonna have a series of matches and he is gonna be yeah i'm trying to think of like where do they what's happening like later like we're survivor series gonna be at where they're gonna be at during this time and i'm like what's what's Rawlin's story going into next year like we're what's his big what's his big thing punk still i don't know you know he hasn't he's been basically separate from punk while all this drew McIntyre stuff is happening so i don't know huh that was the other thing guess well that he did in that segment that also was tied back to some things that people said about him when when he was like i'm gonna make sure that guy is never champing again i was like oh where did we hear this rumor before really funny really funny stuff uh will chism says i think Drew wins money in the bank because he hates it and because he got to cash in twice so it works with his gimme's gimme's gimmick gimmick yeah um i don't like it that much honestly but who else is gonna who who is a kind of prime to win if not for Drew i don't know that's coming up it's coming up very soon uh Dream Ninja 77 said they did a great job putting over Jacob Corey said solo would have he done and cross put him over on x big Chelsea been cooking in the ring yeah i think Chelsea's been great uh but yeah i i thought the other cool thing about just not just how well they put him over on tv but you could see online how many wrestlers were happy for him how many wrestlers that have experiences with him on indies and how long keeps work to get to this point and i thought that was really cool yeah he's really really good guy uh well chism also says i think the whole making bane stuff is weird uh she's working the same day the same day eel is working marigold there's kind of a lot going on that day yeah i don't know what's going on with that uh i don't know what's going on with the making bane stuff could it seem like she was still signed that's what that's god and then a new thing came out that says she's a free agent so i was under impression that she had a contract in a w but i guess i was wrong uh we'd be wrong about things man that is true about things in a w see uh well chism says fin been spin too busy trying to smash live what fin valor in storyline oh okay i was confused because i was like because they're trying to recruit her uh she's trying to run through the crew she's loving the crew uh delay grass says she's loving the crew delay grass says do any of you think wwe is partnering with noah marigold tna and maybe triple a to benefit those promotions or are these moves to block and control markets before new competitors emerge again uh i definitely don't think it's for the benefit of those companies yes i think it is i think it's the right time for them to be doing it because that's the landscape in wrestling when your biggest competitor has made that the wave and so many wrestlers in your company have shown you that they want to do i mean we saw it when brian was telling them like i want to do new japan stuff and they thought that was the role in road to keeping him until a w got the partnership happening they were trying and so i think they see that in order to um keep up with what what's happening right now outside of their company and make their talent happy that this is what they need to do i don't think it's about benefiting those companies at all i just think that that's where wrestling is right now totally and they don't want to be left behind yeah exactly and like perception if you if it looks like you are doing this and it looks like you are working with all those promotions that's good look on you like triple a just pat on the bat like look we're working with everybody we're doing this we're sending over aj styles we're doing this it like looks good on them and honestly like i think as consumers we're the ones that need to help like ww fans they keep talking about tna but are they tuning in to tna to watch it like if they're going to support you have to be the one that goes over and watches the stuff too yeah you gotta you gotta pull up these promotions and watch it because ww is is looking at their bottom line because it's business and that's what they're going to do um it's it's not really their business if tna or no it does well as a business yeah they don't care i don't care about that what they got to do with me no not trying to hit i see no and then speedbox uh swerve is my favorite champion on tv right now he's been on fire at that promo with will was so good that ooh buddy that really sold the match right there i mean the match is already sold without anything but like that was like all right now we're into high gear yes did you see did you see what swerve did did you see did he continue to lay the seeds of something i said last week on the podcast because i told you guys he thinks he can just come straight in and do what Kenny Omega did but Kenny had to go through hell to get there he had to go through all of these things to get there and that's what's worth telling them like you say you want to do this you want to be world champion but i had to completely ruin my life i had to be evil and predictive and all of these things to do this are you really ready to do that because it seemed like you just still running around trying to have fun you still think you have to go like the uh because kenny came in like essentially and lost all of his friends to become world champion and it's like that's what swerve's saying swerve's like are you willing to lose everything that you've had to win this and i don't know if you are at this point no are you willing to sacrifice in a way that others have sacrificed like look what max had to do to be champion look at all these other guys look at look at mocks even mocks has a baby face that guy did not get no vacations are you willing to do what what other guys in the a lineage of this belt have done to get to this spot i think that's a very very good story i think him him saying like well if i do this and swerve just looking like if you're not ready to pull a trigger because if it's me or you it's you and that's why swerve it every any time he says this first words to to will osprey he always says you still think this is a game like this isn't a game like he can ruin you that in order to carry this you got to go the extra mile and it doesn't feel like you're going the extra mile he's like you're having the great matches everybody knows that you're osprey but what about beyond that yeah i i loved it i loved it as well when he was like let's not make this personal he was like no when it comes to this it is personal this is this i had to do all of this stuff to get here this is everything this is everything i've worked my entire career for if it ain't personal to you why you doing it yeah i do yeah i think that element of like swerve being like did you see how what i did to get here like oh i there ain't no line i won't cross to keep this and you're talking about some personal don't get personal i was in some man's house talking to his kid and you're talking about personal bro i let another man drink my blood and we talk about you don't want to get personal a man drink my blood on national pay-per-view but yeah i thought i thought uh osprey being like don't get personal and then leaving and then swerve saying it and then osprey coming in like for i will fuck you up right now just great intensity i loved it and i also what i continue to love about swerve is champion is that we see a lot of heels turn baby face and then they'll they'll get away from what made them a baby face like they'll stop doing um and he has some character wise he stopped doing certain things but when it comes to me or you and when it turns into you know what motivates you like this is still about me and this is still about my need to be on the top and that's what got me here as a character and every time he feels challenged or cornered in a way he turns right back into this same person and i loved it great story that match is gonna be insane it's coming up we are buddy next sunday i was sitting looking and i was like at one point i was like i want this match i'm getting this match and then i was like hey man she gonna have a match how about brian i'm also getting that match i said at one point hey i really want leo back in this company i am also getting leo in this ladder match give me what i want give me everything i want jesus christ your birthday too birthday it's my fucking birthday stop playing with your boy in yc i don't have the bombs in front of me but you know what i'm saying we outside god damn it very much so when you stand all those things together i'm like damn shingle and brian leo is gonna be there shit why am i not gonna be at this show frustrating but also awesome i can watch it on tv that's all of our superchats thank you guys y'all i really don't yeah unreal show uh let's see we got some more hopper chat from tonyp cml cml was blessed with a new ceo i got to see mina shingle and leo live swerve is going to murder will next week also curious about the ending to the current version of queen's quest which i think was needed uh yeah the queen's quest stuff is very interesting with the stuff with utami i think was kind of time to switch up that faction because you don't have old time you know more and uh you're kind of mixing up the members now so i think it's kind of it's kind of time you kind of feel like it's it's time uh you've got another you've got enough other units where you can kind of build them up now uh but man you talked about a unit that was a big part of that company um i mean even when you think about the fact that eo versus utami is not a startup match that's a mari gold match and just the fact that that's happening is just kind of like the identity of queen's quest and stardom is just not what it was no more and so i get it it was kind of time yeah it's uh with how things are moving and they're trying to change the identity essentially maybe not trying to but we're forced to change the identity of that promotion like you're going to see more things like this yes um yeah all right on a leo stuffs because i see other people saying this i loved the idea that lingo leo comes in and he already has all of this leo lord from his first time with the company and he has all this stuff to go back to like i thought that segment where he went to say say hello to donate was really really funny because yeah and dreddy's like what's the problem it's leo he's cool yeah leo's great i love him and and donte has got like this uneasiness with him and then of course darius saw all of the stuff he was doing while he was away and he was like i don't want this dude nowhere around us get him up out of here not around my brother i saw what he was doing around my brother last time not gonna be in school he was basically trying to take my spot no no get him up out of here and i love leo just being like you guys i had a good time then like everybody wasn't having a good time what y'all mean yeah even the way he won the match to get into a ladder match as well i was just like yeah and match us fire too i like the thing that him in action they they did the kind of a like spot fully evasive on some other shit that was a really fun match yeah uh see leo's back baby love to see it right what tony p says it's it it told a good story of how sias pride oh i see he's still talking about the quick quest stuff i'm sorry uh he says it told a good story of how sias pride/ego has finally destroyed the group she loves so dearly i think it's good because i feel stardom needs more factions uh less wrestlers uh less wrestlers and azumi needs to finally break out alone i think that's also the best thing about this is zombies probably gonna go out on their own and possibly start our own unit um it become a bigger star i think that's the best thing to come out of this uh overall just refreshing i hope this will also be a rebuild of sias a character and a queen quest which kind of lost its way after utami left however i can admit i was never the best sia fan until recently hope she gets rebuild into something greater uh yeah i think sias a very good wrestler exceptional wrestler i thought she was a very good champion um up to mina dethroning her i still hate the way they put that and it's like you have this this super long reign for sia kamatani and then mina has this long story of proving herself against her and finally beating her and then she just loses to about the tan i was just like you couldn't just let mina have a run that meant to stretch after all of that you just put both belts on tan why why'd you do that like i still understand what he did but sia i don't think it's frustrating sometimes when they do it's like well i see what you're trying to do because it's like it makes tan look great but it's like yeah you know yeah uh but yeah sia is a very good wrestler i can see some of the character stuff not being for some people um but i think it's just a matter of uh getting a good balance of both her she's going to be just fine right uh got some uppercut from uh uppercut regular nelson months he says uh hating Drake since 2009 has shown me that my absolute hatred for wwe and sia punk will eventually pay off as well kendrick popped out and show people and Drake wasn't and sorry uh kendrick popped out and showed people and Drake what an emcee is uh they would give you an amazing life show uh that even non-rap fans like um he also says jada kiss and kendrick fumar are forever cemented in my top five two of the most consistent rappers ever both sound the same line both never had a wackwurst both will always pop out and show their doubters what a really good emcee is capable of yeah both had very uh notable cultural both cultural moments in their hometown i still think about jada kiss and that verses all the time and giving like his manifesto to chicago to not chicago but new york and be like no no no i don't live in kennedy kit i'm from new york i'm outside those niggas got houses in miami i'm doing classic classic hip-hop moment we'll never get tired of seeing it uh yeah kiss is one of the greatest yeah these two that that's a forever goaded hip-hop moment and and it feels like along the same lines of this of like but that was just disrespect that's another thing because like to dismantle like the dip set in new york is like how do you do that he they did it they weren't ready man they weren't ready damn hip-hop so good it wasn't ready you saw that verses stuff too uh verses they they're getting on with elon or something oh no i keep it it might be a dead concept i think i i think it is i think the thing about verses is it works so well because everybody was inside and yep it was kind of a cultural phenomenon at the right time i don't i don't know if people are as interested it seemed like the verses is live performances yeah no it's not the same and see it it's kind of also one of those things whereas one of those things that blew up naturally and then when corporations come in and go this thing makes money it's time to like actually get the payoff of it it just kind of loses what it was like my favorite verses is riz and dj premier and they were both like in their living rooms way different than what it became of like it's a show buy tickets come out love the bus yeah that we just got so many organic moments from it that weren't live shows like because it felt like it used to be like two friends are battling on the internet and then it came like this is a spectacle and it's like that we got the dip set and locks thing but other stuff is didn't translate as well when it was just the intimate thing of like you know two artists playing their biggest records and just having fun like i think all the time of like ludicrous and nelly and just how nelly was just like completely outmatched ludicrous is just in his in his in his studio having fun switching outfits like luda is one of the greatest ever as well like he just is what a greatest sudden rappers ever um so many other moments like that didn't need a stage like the snoop and dmx one where it was just there in the studio and uh i mean some of them on a stage were big moments as well like the jade of kids dip set uh ray jay my baby's gone my baby's gone ray jay is fucking nut dude that kid looked like he was trying to get out of there like that put me down please put me down um yeah there were other there were other ones like of course gucci cheesy and other ones like that were big moments but it just all bugs in 36 months yeah busy recipes to case the boom well let's do it this is the bone you hate us this is the bone this is the bone always works me up uh see we got oh we got one more from nothing once he said i need a wcml and started to pop out and show next week what a real collaboration and wrestling looks like not this so called for pin door from the from that froy paul effect nick kind and all of their dick writers um they had their two moments this week i'm not a big nxt watcher but man was i happy for joe joe henry man what a pop for that guy and that guy is over oh my god i thought that like because you see that that crowd gets excited sometimes but i haven't heard a pop like that in a minute like these people went crazy and uh you know them throwing him out after 30 seconds or whatever i initially was like this is very ww and the story for him yeah yeah very ww thing to do but man that guy this just shows you the power of like just how when a meme gets going and the internet gets behind something man this guy man and if you get capitalized i think the thing is easy capitalized like he's he's capitalized the content really works with it you know what i mean yeah i think the few with aj from tna worked really well in his favor um he's some him dropping the songs like the car donut song and the uh the he's he's done really good things over there i was surprised last night there was somebody with joe henry sine at smackdown like this guy's he's out of here bro they about think it's still him so fast yeah it feels like only a matter of time before him and jordan are over there so god yeah uh but yeah sissy popped up uh that's laughing because i saw somebody also was like okay are we are we tired of joe henry thing yet and like everybody was coming to it we had put put the clips of joe henry or putting the pictures of joe henry like no we are not done i think we're just getting started it man i'm sorry it just will never stop being funny i just think it's the beginning of it and how he turns to the camera the big ass smile on his face it's really funny though god yeah though those those clips he was doing during the aj a few were just hilarious too man we were saying aj a fight back for a while you're definitely cooking bro uh from from walking says hi crapsies fellas uh we get into kesta in the g1 shingo versus brian and owen uh not a t-shirt nighto multi-man match ever been door yeah we are not getting t-shirt nighto we are getting one-on-one match box keep telling us every time he gets a chance i'm gonna kill this man uh i've been very much enjoying that he's made this personal like look man i don't care about none of this y'all want this belt back you gonna have to beat me um uh yeah love it i i know i do think nighto is going to win it's right there so i i like the way they're building it though but yeah that was also a very pleasant surprise to kesta will be in the g1 he was among the names and now it's um really happy for him did not think we were going to see a guy that from ddt over there in the g1 but yeah it's it's a lot of crossing over but like if you need one kind of not the tippity top guy on a debby but is a dog and one of the best rest was there to catch that makes the most sense this makes a lot of sense yeah uh from board duty says y'all could have it worse being native american having our biggest representation in wrestling be an Italian man she she she's jay strong bow um besides my native sisters all i got is eddie thorp um the white don't like seeing people of color on tv or in power uh well you got a no tataka erasure don't forget you got you got uh you got micky james as well she keep looking you guys know she's she's native uh is it the homie steffin wolf like he's black but the key yeah native root to him yeah yeah shout out to steffin wolf you don't know who that is he's and like texas nyla the native piece right that's right native piece look man i love nyla she's so funny shout out to nyla it was great seeing her on tv this week uh we got one from nelson months yg where shirt shoes and crevices set every time uh forms yg spits be crazy as hell somebody's been somebody said drake went up against a guy that pulled up to his concert and baggy james and nikey shocks he was not gonna win bro you're not gonna win no i thought the same thing i was like yeah this dude is in a form you've got thousands of people here to see you this guy pulled up in the hoodie and nikey shocks like nah like a pro club that it's got a psycho they call it i don't know if they have them anywhere else but in california there's a place called like t-shirt outlet or like place where you get pro clubs like kendrick went and got a pro club plucking hoodie and put it on for like a giant concert and like he didn't get a stylist he just like went to his closet and destroyed for so long uh nelson says the yg where shirt shoes and reps is set every time he performs and i will keep sending the good fellas of grabs the hopper chat to show everyone that i'm truly the biggest drake wwe and sam punk hater on the planet who doesn't wrestle or rap it's semi-dna uh nelson lets you guys know every time he is not fucking with them fed dudes over there mhm mhm respect man sometimes you gotta get your hat off bro that's cool it'd be like that there's things i hate i don't get on here as often and talk about it but you know i keep it stays on it yeah i try to keep the positive vibes going man you know i don't want to you know i don't want to i don't want to just dump on everything i dislike there are definitely things i dislike though um uh toady piece that uh y'all talking about clash uh the drew punk story while it's possibly facing uh goop has me thinking about how even though uh we're glad uh Vincent kennedy man the triple h isn't charged we still got some Vincent Kennedy McMahon booking philosophy still rampant uh absolutely the end of clash definitely felt like something Vince would do i over bucked too much let's get to it that wouldn't not just giving the hometown wrestler the wind in their hometown this this felt like Vince booking for sure and we're still conditioned because i've seen a lot of fans being like well he needs adversity i'm like he does i think adversity last year was the thing dude why did you do it again i don't get it uh Joseph Snirk says uh y'all ready for daddy magic funeral after edgissero butchers him tonight in collision guys quickly become my favorite luchador in the world um yeah i saw some people complaining about the build for max taking on edgissero but i'm actually here for it i think that's gonna be a really good match yeah just the style of wrestling that max does he can do the technical matches we've seen that so many times now and getting in there with somebody like edgissero i think that's gonna be hot in in log island too i think that's the the the love and the lore and the the cool part about forbidden doors you get matches like that yeah we want like shengo and brian danson that's gonna be fire but i also want like maxin some random ass luchador not as random as edgissero you know what i mean like it's the different off the wall kind of we never thought of it type matches that are really fun and i think this is one of them yeah and i also like the lore of mjab continuing to tell us like i'm not wrestling anybody from that super nd over there in japan like i don't respect none of them dudes like yeah put me in there with one of them random cml technical guys so i can show y'all again that i actually can wrestle like this fits everything we know about max like i don't know why anybody's can surprised by this uh i i did the the way we found that we were getting the match was interesting because we got the brian cage uh backstage stuff and i was like okay but why is brian in this like how did that but okay i feel like i got you random they they were recruited at jessero because he come with fire so they were like hey be on the squad they know that you know he has a he has a similar like body build as those guys uh he does he kind of fits with those three guys but i still was looking around like okay pretty random though where's word low where's all the other stuff that mjab was kind of in the mix with mmm all right i guess that works but i'm not gonna complain this could be a fire match the match is gonna be super fire so i think that's that's that's what it is yeah i thought max versus ruch was also very good ruch also continues to do this thing where he'll go out there to start to match and just beat somebody up just beat down on them and he beat down on max for a good ten minutes and it's really good and destroyed him beat his ass it's like this is max's first match of 2024 and like you got ten matches in one yeah i i thought it was a very fun match um i thought a lot of stuff we got on dynamite was good um despite the ratings talk again i i think it was a good episode i have not been the most uh impressed with some acclaim stuff but them getting the win makes a lot of sense force those guys to defend those belts i thought it very i thought a claim looked good in the match they could tell you to show people well you just put them in tag team wrestling and let them do what worked for them they're really good at it they're very good as a tag team yeah if you just get to the shits kind of stop with the extracurriculars ring the bell and have a tag team match they're really good just getting to that can take some time yeah uh we also got uh we got the contract signing which was very interesting because um we got some very interesting back and forth with tony and mina and then for some reason serreta got in the mix uh i thought it was very interesting because for some at that one point people were saying anajay makes a lot of uh since as a member of mina's unit in new japanese and then she just joins up with the other side yeah she just joins up with serreta we had uh tony trying to hit somebody with hip attack and then just threw herself through a table which is incredible i think anna fits over there but it's kind of it's interesting timing how it happened you know what i mean like she gets broken the outcast it is very funny that she went from being with jereco to being like close the closest equivalent in a women's division in serreta that is very funny when you think about it i didn't think about that remember when she used to like come out and like do stuff with jereco sometimes when she was feuding with uh brick i forgot about that piece of the pie baby they they will find a way to get a faction together man y'all said outcast with but with over we got another faction i blocked that shit out of my brain i tell you nasty but good friend i want to i think she deserves more positions like this so happy veshing than that yeah uh yeah i thought it was i thought it was strong episode yeah i might i thought yeah the rating talk was stupid i was like because the the show was so strong i thought that there was a lot of great wrestling on it and they they really are ramping up the coverage going into forbidden door yeah i thought we got a lot of uh good match announcements um qualifying matches for the ladder match have been good i think the story stuff they're doing has been good um mark frisco continues to be uh a gem every time he's on tv um get your ass out of here jack berry get your ass out of here jack perk that shit was so funny yeah he he definitely he gave him the uh metra shut your ass up and make some drums totally did burn disaster really quick but yeah i think uh the the writing talks is so annoying i will show us i can't wait to ww goes to netflix so at least part of it will start to die it'll never die because everybody will be you know they're gonna be like two hundred million people watch the show last night yeah because it's just gonna continue to be oh well this is what killed wcw look at the ratings blah blah yeah it's never gonna stop yeah remember who told you first that ratings talk sucks i i keep trying to tell you people this sucks it's nowhere it's nowhere ville i don't want to be over there this ain't 1998 is the thing when we get the numbers next week and we see that this is a nominally uh what are you going to do then you get changed the conversation what do we does that matter they're not going to oh of course not of course not just got to go back to the usual stuff um yep think that is all of our hunger chats is sure that's all of our super chats too i appreciate you guys as always uh sorry about the technical difficulties usually i would have caught this but i came right in came right in from uh being outside with my dad and i cut the computer and everything on and logged right in i didn't see like i came straight in and logged in and jabbed up i guess i'm like okay internet it's not working great good um but yeah there's all of our hunger chats yep all of our super chats that's it got collision tonight uh i thought collision last week was pretty good as well um the thesis text to me i might collide tonight but it depends on how my day goes. they played that uh they played that vignette of uh all the stuff that happened on collision that montage of all of collision stuff i was like man doesn't seem like collision has been around for a year and then when they were showing all this stuff i was like oh yeah that did happen on collision did as robin was on collision and that's right man we were there um yeah a lot of stuff happened on the show that i forgot uh they briefly showed punk they briefly showed all of the ftr stuff and again when i look back in there i'm like man ftr was really dumb guys on collision bro that was their show that was their show um but yeah the cope opening uh yeah it's a strong first year for collision but again it's maria baller this television talk of oh does this belong on saturday look at the rating for it i think it's a fun extra two hours of wrestling yeah um if you got some time to kill if you're not outside if you're not you know doing something else um every time i re-watch it later or watch it live i have fun with it but it kind of feels like i don't really need to watch this like i don't think i'm missing anything if i miss it but it's just kind of a fun thing to watch on saturday it's a good wrestling show it always has really good luchadors on it it's like one of the funnest spot food shows there are yeah big ricky had his had his run on on collision for a minute uh osprey has been cooking recently i like the direction brian dangerson's on there like they still got a lot of bullet club gold initially they were they were killing it on there um yeah man there were bits of it i was like man that initial run buddy we would happen to that boy colliders brits we was outside buddy it was a different time it was definitely a different time buddy i i re-watched uh the first bits of the first episode as well and i was like boy what a different time different energy um way different energy bro oh yeah yeah that all right that cutler thing this week i was like oh this is uh all right it's not good tell me that not every single one like eight is my favorite wrestling promotion but i don't like one hundred percent of the stuff that happens on there yeah i i don't need this authority figure thing that they i hate i just i'm never liked it in any company and i'll never like it it's not for me uh but yeah the learning tree though that is for me so just want you guys to leave this show knowing that i can't do it man i just i'm tired of this guy getting on there yelling at us i'm just leave me leave us alone learning tree i like my tree keep hook over there with his boy joe and and she bought it and they're having fun uh beating people up to this this learning like tonight i'm sure Jericho and Big Bill and private party is going to be great because i like the learning tree yeah i foresee that private party is going to lose to this team and i'm going to be annoyed i mean at least they're losing to the learning tree um but that that that is it for us uh i will be back next week in the city of new york by that time wow jealous uh day two we got some stuff coming up um to announce stuff in our bag we're we don't want to like not a little hinty or nothing yeah man uh might be uh might be a little look might be a little champagne flute clanking going up okay there we go uh what yeah we've got some stuff in the works uh but keep your eyes peeled keep your eyes peeled uh again sorry for technical difficulties but this has been grabsity uh i'm so lengthy righteous rich we are out of here [ Silence ]
