The Duran Podcast
Dangerous escalation w/ Brian Berletic (Live)
what you're doing. Okay we are live with Alexander Mercuris and we are joined by Brian Brillettic from the new Atlas. Brian how are you doing? Good to have you back up. Thank you. I'm doing very well. I always appreciate and enjoy coming on. It's great to have you with us and we have a lot of talk about in in the conflict in Ukraine but maybe Alexander and Brian you can touch a bit on the Assange news as well. Let me just say a quick hello to everyone that is watching us on Odyssey, on Rockfin, Rumble, YouTube and vidiran.locals.com and a big shout out to all our fantastic awesome moderators. Brian Alexander got a lot of news to discuss so let's just jump right into it. Shall we start with the Assange because of course it won't take us long but I think it is being used. I should declare an interest in the sense that I've been a supporter of Assange for years now and I've been involved in various campaigns in Britain concerning him and I've had some very very sporadic contacts with people who have been actually acting for him but are not in any formal sense and I'm certainly not directly involved with them in any conceivable way. But anyway he's now been released that in my opinion is unequivocally good news. He has been given a plea bargain. If I had been advising him as a lawyer I would have unequivocally advised him to accept this plea bargain. I think he's going to have a long period, a very long period before he recovers from the ordeal, the terrible ordeal from which he has suffered but perhaps to all of this we have a very unsatisfactory legal resolution to this case. So from Assange's point of view this is the best, it's the best available decision but where it leaves everyone else, where it leaves the position of the media, I have to say it leaves it in a bad place because he's now had to plead guilty to a charge which essentially has been brought about because he carried out journalism, as far as I'm concerned, journalism which is disapproved of by the government of the United States and he's now got a guilty verdict about it and any journalist in Britain for example who does the same things as Tuna Assange has done, now runs the risk of facing an identical prosecution and probable extradition to the United States. So what do you also look strong? Well I feel the same way but unfortunately I'm skeptical and cautious about what comes next for Julian Assange. Imagine having to plead guilty for exposing actual criminals, exposing their crimes, you were put in prison for that. These people who have committed the crimes and it's just what you know all administrations passed and present who not only played a part in these crimes but played a part in keeping him either locked up in an embassy or locked up in prison and you talked about his recovery from being jailed. When I got out of the Marine Corps they don't just let you out so if you say you're not going to trade you're going to go to jail for a little bit of time in the brig and I was in solitary confinement for just one month just one month and when you are confined for having a moral position having done nothing actually wrong you can feel each day each hour each minute being stolen from you. So imagine the years and years he has spent his life in confinement. Everything that he was missing throughout that period of time and now still you're always going to feel like you have to look over your shoulder and you always have to be concerned about what will come in the future because of the nature of the system that you exposed that has now painted a target on you. So it's it's very unfortunate Julian Assange is still going to need all of our support well into the future. I completely agree with every point you've just made. I mean I've had to deal with people who've been in prison. I've been I've had to deal with people who have been involved in who have been held in political custody in all kinds of countries. I should say that my wife has been involved with an organization here that supports people who have been tortured. I completely I'm complete accord with every point that you've made. I'm going to add one final thing which is that when you say Brian that he's going to have to keep looking over his shoulder it is important to remember that he has now pleaded guilty to an offense that the United States say that he committed. So he's been released because he's served his sentence but if he starts doing similar things again if he starts practicing journalism in the same way that he did before where he's already pleaded guilty to it so the Americans have just come back say look you're doing the same thing all over again we can begin our case against you all over again we can seek your extradition to the United States all over again and of course you have no defense because you've pleaded guilty when you did the same thing before. So he is in a very very difficult position he's going to need an enormous amount of time to try to get his life together to the extent that he can but beyond that I think for all practical purposes his career as a journalist is over. I don't really see any way out of this perhaps one day he might be he might be pardoned by a president but that doesn't wipe out the fact that he's been convicted one could come up with all kinds of complicated legal procedures whereby this conviction might eventually be set aside but these are remote possibilities for the distant future for the present he's in a very awkward position he will certainly need our support our continued support and sympathy as well by the way and as I said his work as a journalist to all intents and purposes has now been ended. Although and it's an irony that the one option he does have to live in relative freedom is to leave the so-called free world and and just as Edward Snowden did go to someplace like Russia or China where he will have a degree of protection where he can continue pursuing anything that he wants without fearing the repercussions from the collective path so but that is unfortunate he has a family he has a life he has his roots elsewhere why should he have to move to another country and spend the rest of his days there again in a in a sense confined because he simply told the truth it is outrageous and it is a a symbol of everything that is wrong with the collective west at this point. I agree and I get a funny one last comment about my own country which is Britain where all of these legal proceedings have played out I think I've I've often made the comparison between this case and the case of Alfred Dreyfus in France in the 1890s and early 1900s this is a French army officer who was falsely accused of espionage with the Germans he was it was basically all basic rigged against him the whole legal process was rigged against him. French society however rallied to the cause of Alfred Dreyfus it became a massive scandal the courts eventually came through after an enormous amount of political pressure I feel that the case of Assange was Britain's Dreyfus moment except we failed it we instead of making the stand that we should have done and which would have been consistent with the best of our legal traditions we have very good legal traditions and some very bad legal traditions but instead of making the stand which would have been consistent with the best of our legal traditions we put him through an incredible labyrinth of cases and prosecutions and hearings and whilst keeping him in one of our most half and ferocious prisons and there was never the outcry there was never the rally to him that the really ought to have been so I'm afraid I feel badly from my country Britain for what it has done but I have to say in spite of all that we said I'm glad that Assange himself is free and that he's once more with his family and can now meet his wife and see his children who he has barely seen in all those years that he's been in confinement close confinement so unless you've got more to say on this topic Brian shall we move on because I think we are indeed in an extremely dangerous moment I think we are in fact I go further I'd say we're in a pivotal moment when we see escalation taking place in all sorts of places we see it in the Middle East we see it in the Far East in Asia we see it in Europe in Ukraine as well the reason we are in these escalation processes is in my opinion because the United States and its allies in Europe and elsewhere have been on a kind of offensive a geopolitical offensive over the last few years they've seen geopolitical challenges as they as they see as they think emerge in places like China, Russia, wherever and they've wanted to push back on them so they've been on the offensive but they're losing and they are now caught between escalating even more and escalating in ways that even some of them themselves are starting to recognize as dangerous or retreating which psychologically is almost impossible for them to do so we're in a very very dangerous moment and it's I think touch and go where all of this is going to go in Ukraine and I think we've both watched them follow the events in Ukraine very closely they're now clearly losing in the Middle East things have not turned out as expected or intended and in East Asia we're hearing all sorts of terrible plans being spoken about you know hellscape situations around Taiwan attempts to mobilize various countries the Philippines and all the rest but I think there's still also a growing sense that things are not going well there either but anyway what do you use about this run I mean do you also feel that you know we've reached that point where there's a realization that it's not working out but no real acceptance as the need to pull back it is exactly that and people who study the the special interests that actually do drive Western foreign policy the corporations who have forms they have these think tanks they have YouTube channels you can sit there and listen to them and you can see and and and get a feel for their mindset as they're laying all of this out I was just looking at the center for strategic and international studies the Russian defense industry today this was just within the last 24 hours and they're finally admitting to all of the things that we have all been saying for the last two years about military industrial production in the West's and ability to keep up with with Russia Russia's not only adapting and overcoming the sanctions in terms of economics but their production of military equipment weapons munitions is all expanding and it will continue to expand they're just as because we remember the story about how backwards they are disorganized they cannot innovate you created somehow or just inherently better at innovating than the Russians they are dispelling all of these myths because they're trying to figure out what it is they should do and this director of one of the departments in CSIS Max Bergman at the very end he's at risk of probably losing his job he said the Patriot interceptors we have to find a way to lower the price on these I mean CSIS is funded by these these arms manufacturers and their job is to create the you know threats all around the globe to sell weapons and to expand American hegemony around the globe but even they are starting to realize that it's not the conflict that they're in with either Russia or China or anywhere else that's unsustainable it is their own system that is unsustainable it's their own system incapable of succeeding in all of these objectives that they have laid out for themselves that they have elected to undertake again we have to remember the conflict in Ukraine did not start with Russia in 2022 the US overthrowing the government in 2014 and the the constant expansion of NATO towards Russia and the very real menace have presented to Russia as a national security threat that that started all of this since the end of the Cold War so it is very important to understand how this all culminated and now yes they cannot win but they cannot back down and that is usually what ends up triggering major direct wars between great powers I this is pretty much how World War II began Japan and the United States and the Pacific it didn't start with Pearl Harbor there were hostilities and confrontation for years before that happened and so right now we're in a very similar process and just as you say touch and go but I I hope that Russia and China they understand that time is in is working in their favor and they want to be as delicate about this process as possible because a war does not suit them they would like to avoid it I completely agree now can I just make two quick points I mean the CSIS you've been sending the material that they've been writing this sounds like the most extreme remarkable admission of all there's been another very remarkable admission in a most unexpected place and that's the economist who've now set Chinese science is actually booming it's you know because again there's been this assumption it's not just an assumption it's a sort of ingrained hard-wired belief in the West that the West is technologically and scientifically superior to all of its rivals and suddenly there's this admission of the economist that actually that might not be true that the Chinese might be a scientifically advanced and as scientifically successful and technologically successful so the United States and the West are and if you look at the cover of the economy I don't know whether it's the same it's the same economist because sometimes you know they change things where you go around but if you look at the one that's on sale in Britain I don't remember the exact title exactly but the cover says the rise of Chinese science a threat or you know something you know to be happy about I mean yeah it's it's clearly deep down they feel that it is a threat but they're being forced to acknowledge that it is true so that was one thing I wanted to say the other is about the Second World War you are absolutely correct so about the war in the Far East I um years ago I you know binged on studies reading all the sort of big academic books about the Japanese decision to launch the attack on the United States in December 1941 and one of the most remarkable facts about things about it was that it was it became increasingly obvious to me the more I was reading was that no one amongst the key decision-makers in Japan believed that Japan could win the war they all understood that if they started to walk with the United States unless the United States panicked and suffered some kind of psychological crisis which some of them were just clinging to the hope that it might do um they all realized that in the long term and not the very long term in fact Japan would be defeated because the United States was so much more powerful and yet nonetheless they did it because psychologically they couldn't see any way out to doing anything else they were losing the war in China that people don't want to acknowledge but they were their economy was coming under immense stress because of American sanctions but also other things that the cost of the war in China but they couldn't retreat psychologically retreat was impossible so they decided that since they were going to go down they might as well go down with a gigantic bang and that was what they did and if you think of that mindset and look at some of the thinking in Washington today among some of the people there today and not just in Washington in London in Brussels and Berlin in Paris it's almost exactly the same they they know that they're losing but they can't accept the possibility of defeat and that leads them to consider escalation in ways that would be incredibly dangerous yes absolutely and worse than that when you when you think about it the western mentality the the fact that they have had supremacy over over the planet for so long generations and generations and and you're exactly right about this idea deeply engraved that they're superior to China in all ways not just science and technology just inherently better in absolutely everything and it doesn't even matter the fact that there's four to five times more people in China the fact that their infrastructure is larger and and more advanced the fact that their education system is turning out millions more in in stem studies than the United States they they think it doesn't matter because they're inherently superior and and we saw the consequences for Japan when they lost World War II but I believe the people in Washington London in Brussels they believe there's some sense of impunity that even if they do have this last great battle that maybe they'll lose it doesn't matter because it won't be them suffering the consequences they believe and I believe this was the same mentality in Germany too throughout World War II the soldiers will die the cities will be decimated but the the elite will somehow be able to work their way out of it have some sort of impunity and it won't matter for them so they have no incentive at all to back down that is that is the scariest part of all of this they have no incentive to back down this is absolutely correct now about Japan again my impression from all that reading that I did which is about you know 30 years ago was that they did not have a sense of impunity but in Germany they absolutely did it only suddenly dawned on them that you know they were involved in a struggle where they might actually face personal repercussions very late in the war around the autumn of 1943 in other words less than two years before the war ended up to that time there had been no real incentive on on the part of the German leaders to show any sort of restraint because either victory was certain or in the event of defeat they assumed that they'd be able to walk away and when they realized that that wasn't going to happen it is as it came it came very very late yeah in fact you can you can say you can point almost exactly to the weeks from July to October 1943 when as I said suddenly the realization came that they were not only losing the ball but that they might themselves be held to account for what had happened and even during the trials the the sense of arrogance and entitlement that they had even while on trial and it wasn't until their sentences were were handed out and they realized oh I'm gonna I'm gonna die at the end of the week that then then it dawned on them there were some who who ended up committing suicide but then again there were so many people involved in some of the worst aspects of the war who were brought over to the United States the United States arms wide open or used in Europe just pivoted around pointed right back at the Soviet Union so so again that that set a very bad example a very bad precedent that I think is flowing through the minds of the people making decisions right now which again makes this so so much more dangerous Russia and China can see the existential threat Western foreign policy poses to them they you just look on a map they are encircled by the United States and its allies their proxies as they there's a there's a swath of death and destruction the US has caught across the planet up to their borders they know what is coming next so they obviously cannot back down and and as you say psychologically to let the Western leadership cannot back down yeah and and that in fact brings this brings me to another point because I'm sure you get the same messages that I do from all sorts of well-meaning and sometimes perhaps not so well-meaning people the Putin is being weak that he's not responding instantly to the provocations that he's you know allowing the Americans and the Europeans but especially the Americans to do all sorts of appalling and frightful things and he's not himself responding as toughly and as aggressively as he ought to do given the mindset that we've just been talking about in the West it would be incredibly dangerous if he was to respond in that kind of way at least that is my own view because first of all we are talking about people who really do seem to be ready to go to the absolute ultimate point in the West and I think that given that that kind of mentality exists the most extreme discipline and self-control is what the situation calls for now if you know Putin if you follow Putin as closely as I've done you will know that he is a very emotional man he is somebody who has very strong feelings about these things but he's also a very rational man and also a very well-informed man and the Chinese presidency, Xi Jinping and his officials give me the impression of being exactly the same and I think they understand very well better perhaps even than we do definitely better than we do how dangerous the situation at the moment is so that's why they focus on in Ukraine winning the war in the South China Sea building up their forces and strengthening their economies and don't let themselves get chased around every single provocation that the Americans throw at them at least that's my own view no I I agree because if Russia or China were to react to these provocations immediately instantly entirely throwing everything that they have they would have exhausted themselves and ultimately they would have failed it is a it is a long-term game that is being played and it always goes back to I always tell people to look at the situation in Syria because I have followed that from the very beginning when it started and I remember the exact same people condemning Russia even choosing Russia betraying Syria because they would not react to what the West and its allies were doing they wouldn't shoot Israeli plans out of the sky they wouldn't launch salvos of missiles at US bases but if you look at what they did do the the long-term patient strategy that they use they avoided a major conflict and in the end they won anyway and that that is the whole point revenge for them is ultimately winning in the end and and you don't need to react and get that immediate instant satisfaction that that ordinary people are just used to pursuing often to their own debt detriment by the way they don't see it as a long-term process and they don't see a lot of people don't even see how the conflict in Russia is connected to what the US is doing to China a lot of people understand what the US is doing to Russia sympathizing with Russia but then they'll repeat US State Department talking points regarding China because they just don't like China's you have to broaden your view of what is happening you have to see the whole picture the whole game board metaphorically speaking it is like a game of chess if someone takes your piece and you get angry and frustrated and you look for an immediate move you can make to take their piece you might be falling into a trap when if you were just patient accepted that loss at the moment and looked at the overall board and thought several steps ahead you might be able to put yourself in a position to be to be back in the advantage it's it works the same with geopolitics absolutely and I mean it came back to the question of revenge as the French like to say revenge is a day is a dish best eaten cold I think this is absolutely true take your time don't rush into things and in fact perhaps don't think of it as a pursuit of revenge anyway I mean what you're trying to do is to secure your own position and that of your people and in that way perhaps set an example and provide a support for the rest of humanity you mustn't chase because some you know enormity has just been carried out in Crimea you mustn't brush off and start something which you can't control and which could very easily play into the hands of your enemies now I think that everything is connected that all of these things are connected with each other we see in the way that the Russian and the Chinese leaders who are at the core of this have been acting because it's I think now obvious that they are coordinating with each other and what I think we've now seen over the last couple of weeks is the final end of the assumption in the West that these two countries can be played off against each other they understand perfectly well that if they're divided if they fall if they unite it they win so they're not going to let themselves be divided and in fact and I've been looking at some opinion poll data here it's clear to me that in Russia released there's been a strong swing towards good feelings towards China and Chinese people amongst the population at large yes and the pseudo-Soviet split was actually an anomaly in Chinese-Russian relations historically I've had Carlsa on Mark Solvoda on going in-depth into the history of Russia and China and the relationship together and they talk about how their natural allies and they have cooperated for so long throughout history the Sino-Soviet split was an anomaly and the idea that you're going to somehow recreate that between Russia and China and it's always done through projection the Americans and Europeans think that Russia for some reason would have the same feelings of insecurity and the same inferiority complex working with China. China is just physically in terms of population economy bigger and stronger than Russia why does Russia have to feel like somehow they're subordinated to China when their relationship is mutually beneficial they can acknowledge that China is stronger and more powerful this is something in the mind of people in the West a sticking point for them that makes it impossible for them to accept what is just reality and and this is a problem that the West is tripping over but this is not something that that Russia has a problem with Russia can acknowledge that they're not the strongest most powerful country on earth they're very okay with that they want to be the strongest most powerful version of Russia that they can be and they want to interact with the rest of the world in a constructive way and that is how China feels as well it is the West that projects these feelings and ideas on for Russia which makes them believe that it's somehow possible that they can create some sort of strategy of attention between Russia and China which I just don't think is ever going to work I completely agree with that and by the way again if you're talking about Russian-Chinese history again it's a subject which once upon a time I studied at university and the thing I was pointing out to people which they never seem to know is that Russia was the first European country if you call it European country a first European country to establish diplomatic relations with China they did that at the end of the 17th century more than a century before all the other European countries eventually did and they did it in a peaceful way and the ruler of Russia who ensured that that happened was of course none other than Peter the Great he's always assumed to be somebody who was pro-Western and focused on the West in fact he was a much more interesting and nuanced figure than that and he was very very well aware of China and took a great interest in affairs in China and it was he basically and his government and the Chinese government at that time who decided that in there joined interests it was the right thing to do to establish good relations and the result was that Russian relations and Chinese relations throughout the 18th and 19th centuries except for a period of the very end were very close and then after the empire collapsed the emperor abdicated again relations between Russia and China were very very close during the 1920s and again in the 50s and as you as Brian correctly says the the period of the Sino-Soviet split was not the typical period Sino-Russian relations it was absolutely the anomaly the literature on this by the way is enormous and if you can find it in English it's very strange that people are so ignorant of these basic historical facts people are just reading the wrong histories that's that's all I can say anyway let's let's turn now to that perennial topic that we're always talking about Brian yourself and me which is the war in Ukraine because I haven't I get to say straightforwardly I haven't seen your very very latest program but you've been doing a whole series of magnificent programs over over your channel the new Atlas you've been discussing the production issues which we've talked about many times you did a masterly thing on javelins and stingers and patriot missiles you also I think exposed the stories about you know the tremendous success of the attackers missiles and how you know that they were supposed to be sweeping the way forward for the F-16s to fly in win the air battle and I don't know whether your views are the same as mine but I've been looking at the situation in on the battle fronts over the last couple of weeks and it seems to me that what you see is continuous Russian grinding off the Ukrainians down somebody in Britain I can't remember who it was called it an anaconda strategy that the Russians have coiled themselves around the Ukrainians and they're gradually constricting them and that they're losing people and machines faster than they can replace the people and faster than they can replace the machines or more precisely faster than the West can replace the machines and there is no solution to this problem now and going back to that most recent CSIS video on their official youtube channel despite all the admissions that they were making the one the one thing that they continuously stuck to was the idea of using territorial gain as a metric for success or gains in this conflict when it is actually a war of attrition and if it is a war of attrition territorial gains is the wrong metric to look at you have to look at who is building up their combat power faster and who is driving the their opponents combat power down quicker and is there a dynamic where the one one party of the conflict is unable to to replace their losses to replace their losses in manpower and equipment and that is clearly Ukraine because even in the same video they're talking about all the admissions though to how a Russian production is expanding the West cannot replace Ukrainian bosses the equipment cannot be assimilated by Ukraine quick enough even if it existed in the manpower crisis they specifically talk about how Ukrainian mobilization has come too too little too late they're talking about convicts using them on the front line do you remember or how they were condemning Russia for this and calling it a desperate strategy now they are the ones doing it and I was just looking at Kiev in the pendant talking about this they're going to get two months of training before they are sent to the front two months of training there's not enough training to do anything on a battlefield effectively so they're going to be human mind sweepers they're going to be human trip wires and this is this is not going to help improve their situation and unfortunately the same thing is being done with the conscripts being pressed into service they're not getting sufficient training if you you don't have enough time to even train basic entry level soldiers you do not have the time to build up cohesive units even on on the company level or battalion level let alone the brigade level which is what we always hear these so-called western military analysts and experts talking about we're going to build up brigades over the next six months and then try another offensive next year it's impossible it will never happen they cannot even train basic entry-level soldiers Alexander you talked about the the Crimean attack on strikes I think you you mentioned that and and this is something people have to be aware of they're doing this yes they're trying to get a reaction out of Russia but the reason they're doing this in the first place is because they are desperate they cannot use these weapons systems to affect strategic change on a battlefield so they're trying to effect change politically psychologically so that this is all very important to keep in mind when you see these atrocities and and at first I was inclined to think that yes maybe the attack arms were aimed at a military target and Russian air defense is deflected one and it hit the beach and and it was a tragedy it was a mistake but we have this from Ukrainian media Padoliak and this was covered by the the uk telegraph as well Padoliak talking about there cannot be any beaches and Torzones on the peninsula the civilians are civilian occupiers and basically unrepentant and instead trying to justify it and almost incriminating Ukraine as if this was a deliberate attack on the civilian population of Crimea and they're doing that because as you point out Alexander the attack arms are not having the strategic impact and how could they ever have the strategic impact on the battlefield Russia has as many or more ballistic missiles with equal or greater capabilities if it's a war winning capability Russia will win the war first absolutely there was there was a point which again looking you mentioned the telegraph it was quite interesting how they reported the story the the initial reports about the story now now i'm not going to talk about you know the civilian casualties and what happened on the beach but the russian defense ministry said that there were five attack arms missiles launched and one wasn't shot down four were shot down but one wasn't and got through and the daily telegraph reported i really yesterday that the russian ministry of defense admitted to shooting down one attack arms with the implication that the other four got through it was quite extraordinary how this sort of completely flipped the whole narrative and this is because they don't want to admit and this has been true right across the media here in the uk at least they don't want to admit to the fact that the russians are shooting these things down this has been at something that the media here has completely failed to acknowledge because these missiles were so heavily sold as a major strategic game changer that turning around now and acknowledging that they are not that they're not proving to be that at all it would be just too embarrassing altogether and this is for me very much an example of the whole way in which the war has been reported and which i think still clouds and confuses lots of people because what we are getting in the west every day the reporting of the war that we're getting is coming to us through an extremely distorted lens it is not telling us at all what is really going on and um ryan you mentioned the fact that they focus entirely on territorial move shifts they're doing the same again with the you know the situation in the calico they said that because the russians didn't capture calico city the entire offensive and the north has failed and um you know i i i even read somewhere that because the ukraine is captured two streets beautiful chance that somehow is a great victory for them disregarding again completely the cost and the losses which are irreplaceable that ukraine is suffering as a result of all of this and and it goes all the way back to 2022 when ukraine did have what what was considered at the time of successful offensive but at the time i warned people that yes they retook this territory Russia realized that they weren't going to be able to hold it they withdrew they weren't driven out the same way they drive out ukraine and forces stubbornly fighting and suffering catastrophic losses they just pulled out and they left they they withdrew to better positions and while they were doing that they were striking at ukraine and forces now out from behind the defenses and they wiped out brigades worth of manpower and equipment both in harkov and her song and this forced ukraine to attempt to rebuild their their military up before the two 2023 offensive which then was again a catastrophic failure depleting their forces it was very predictable we we all said how no matter how far they got it was going to deplete their forces and the west is incapable of of replenishing them so now we're here in the western media now has headlines about manpower crisis the in a bit the the u.s is now taking monthly supply patriot interceptors and sending it straight to ukraine there's another 150 million dollar aid package that's going to be announced they say uh tuesday oh next i don't know uh it's very soon and it's going to have attackums uh 155 millimeter uh maybe maybe the the shorter range uh high mars ammunition but but it's all ammunition that is being drawn from monthly production because stockpiles have been depleted and now now they have to wrestle with the the decision whether we're going to send all monthly production to ukraine and deny it to all of our allies and customers around the globe or are we going to continue fulfilling our commitments and then just leaving what's left over which is not much to ukraine and this is this is where they are and so when in a war of attrition that is the metric you look at and that is a metric that says you are losing you are losing this conflict irreversibly absolutely now i didn't want you to return to this per video topic of shells which we always come up with because any iron value medical method you know shells it seems a tedious thing to harp on about but it is i think a good metric for production because it seems to be that what's up my sense about the u.s is that they've got as i understand it two existing factories that they they had two existing factories that produced shells before the war began they've increased production there to perhaps 36,000 shells a month now again let me repeat to people i have experienced in industrial matters i get the sense that they've maxed out production at these two factories that to increase production beyond that level at those two factories would require a major expansion of those factories and reorganization a production of those factories which would be complicated and very expensive and which would probably result in a temporary fall of production which had probably last several months so i think they're maxed out at these two factories they've opened a new factory which is going to produce 30,000 shells and they are saying that that's going to be as i understand it in full production by the end of next year if they achieve that well they might do if they commit all their resources to do it but to get a completely new factory with new sets of machine tools and presumably a new workforce up to the point where it is working at full capacity in just over a year i would say that is extremely ambitious i would i would guess that even with something like shells and shells are not that straightforward to make because you need you need the given the casting of the shells themselves but you also need to have the proper explosive mixes and all of that to get to that point train the workforce where they're able to do this successfully to learn how to use the machine tools successfully and these are apparently largely imported machine tools um i i would say that perhaps you're going to get 10, 15,000 shells by the end of the next year and it'll be gradually a gradual rise in production and so i think that they're already making commitments with respect to shells that they probably won't be able to fulfil that's that's my guess it's based on experience um as i said if they went all in if they really you know mobilized workforce and went over to a full mobilization economy well they could do it i mean one can do it but i don't think that's what's going to happen in the united states and eventually we will get to this point where this factory is producing 30,000 shells a month but it's going to take significantly longer than some of these claims are suggesting that's just based on my experience and and even the most optimistic projections of what they will be making between 2025 and 2027 still combined with europe is still short of what they if they themselves admit russia is making for acquiring right now and we see this relationship with north korea we see russia continuously ramping up its production and again u.s policy makers in these think tanks admitting that this is taking place admitting that north korea has a huge workforce and industrial capacity that could be leveraged to do this they're going to continuously be ramping up their own production so by the time you finally do reach the 4.5 million rounds i think they said that russia is making annually by the time you reach that how how many more shells will russia be making and then you have to think about guns and everything else that you need to effectively use artillery ammunition along the prop mine which which Ukraine is also rucking out of and you made a point in one of your programs or your recent programs which corresponds by the way exactly to my own observations and this is about the factory norms which by the way i should stress i've never visited it's not one of the factories i've been to but i made the point in many places that you know visiting russian factories for a westerner is a strange experience because you see these huge factory spaces and often very very large workforce is working at very low levels of capacity and of course this is what the russian industrial system is designed around it's designed to be able to search and you gave the example of the factory norms which produces T80 tanks and the fact that they kept back the machine tools from the 1980s that were needed to manufacture the gas turbine engine and those machine tools are still there and the factory spaces are still there and there's probably people that there's definitely people who will be trained to use those machine tools so yes again it will take some months to do perhaps a year to do but before long they will be producing new gas turbine engines for new tanks that again is the difference between the russian industrial industrial system and the west in the west we see all this these you know huge factories and all these machine tools and we say that this makes no economic sense but for the russians the sense that matters is not the profit one it's the question of security it's the question of being able to ramp up reduction when it is needed as quickly as possible exactly it is profit driven versus purpose driven and even the united states in their own national defense industrial strategy paper which i i went over a month or two ago they even talk about they they touch on it briefly but they don't identify as the key problem but the key problem is their defense industry is controlled by private enterprise that exists solely to make profits and it is not profitable for them to keep machinery that they don't use keep people on the payroll that are not working at full capacity and to make cheap types of munitions and and weapon systems in vast quantities that is not profitable for them making these small amounts of extremely overpriced weapons that is what is profitable so they're looking at that they understand that that is a problem but the solution is a systemic change they have to change the whole foundation of how western economies and and industry work and that is an undertaking that i i don't think they would be able to successfully do even if they wanted to and i don't think that they want to exactly let's now i mean we talked about shells in russia this is almost you know this seems almost a minor thing compared with the ship the naval situation now i've been i've been looking at pictures now of the ship yarns and Shanghai the number of warships that jr is actually churning out it is just i mean it is it is astonishing and the united states by contrast struggles to get a single warship out apparently in a year the chinese can i i'm not even going to try and compare the production rates the the they've become so lopsided it's almost it's almost embarrassing to do but beyond beyond this enormous search in chinese production the other thing that struck me about this is again that they are producing very straightforward warships they're producing the kind of warships that i recognize as warships you do not see these extraordinary things like you know the zoom vault or whatever it's called destroyer which looks like something straight out of well i don't know quite what it's like a steampunk novel and these lateral-class ships which apparently nobody could operate um and i've also been reading i don't know whether you've been hearing this it took also um brian that um the warships that the united states has the crews in them are constantly exhausted and sleep deprived because they're not enough sailors basically to operate them out because recruitment levels have declined to the extent that they have now we have this massive discrepancy in power and emerging power and we see people in the united states talking about a naval confrontation with china you don't want seas i do do do do the people in washington understand what they're throwing the us navy against if that is really what they plan to do it's hard to know because i i listen to even senior officers in the us navy and they talk as if somehow they're they're still able to win a naval confrontation with china that the whole hellscape uh plan that they rolled out using on-man systems in this in the straight-up Taiwan to hold off chinese forces for up to a whole month so that they can mobilize just as you point out this this smaller diminished decaying navy and and all and of all of their out so-called allies that are will be pressed into this conflict as well uh this this is just is unbelievable and if you look at the type of drone systems that the us is developing it is again examples of overpriced over-engineered systems that have by the way already many of them tested in ukraine completely failed and and then even as they're rolling out this hellscape strategy they say we're we're learning some of the lessons that ukraine is learning on the battlefield against russia with ukraine is losing the conflict and the successes that they are having with drones is because these are drones that they have bought from china or drones that they have made from components sourced in china and we're we're talking about how important production numbers are if russia is out producing the united states in all of these areas what do you think china will be able to do uh DJI alone has i think a 70 percent has 70 percent of the consumer drone market in the entire world means no combination of companies around the globe again combined equal one single company in china so imagine if they decided to to take DJI press it into full military production plus all the other companies and and industrial capacity in china how are you going to create a hellscape situation where your drones are somehow overwhelming china off their own coasts with the industrial output that they have with the military capabilities they already have and the capabilities they will be able to develop and and again they they underestimate the ability of china to innovate and iterate very quickly which is what chinese manufacturing facilities even when it's a foreign company that that owns them or is using them the workers there are chinese the engineers the designers they are chinese and they are very good at what they do and they're very good at developing ideas iterating them improving them and making different tiers of quality and quantity and it's a massive ecosystem that you have to see to believe because because you will not see anything like this anywhere else on earth only only in china and this is who the united states is is thinking of picking it a fight with because they know that if they don't stop china now the the window of opportunity probably has already closed but they they imagine that it will close and china will irreversibly surpass the united states will never get another opportunity so it's a now or never and worth a try in their mind again it goes back to what we said in the beginning the sense of impunity that they have for their actions the fact that it won't be them dying on these us naval vessels thousands and thousands of miles away from us coasts it would be sailors of people they don't care about and families they don't care about so so this is how they see the world and this is the cliff that they're rushing the entire planet toward this is this is my greatest fear actually i think that the u_s_ness perfectly well that the power balance is shifting rapidly in china's favor and that he can't really be changed i should say again i i briefly well not briefly actually quite a long time worked in shipping law and my um mother in the 1950s worked for quite a long time in a Greek shipping office and of course in the 1950s Greek ship winners were using american liberty ships built at the rate of one a day by the united states during the second world war some of them were still sailing in the 1980s by the way that was the industrial power that the united states won once had it doesn't have it today china does and i think deep down they know that they're running out of time but rather than negotiate compromise which the chinese would be very pleased to do i think that they're going to say to themselves like the japanese did in december 1941 let's stake everything on one last throw and the effect of that i really just only want to imagine anyway that's my last point of the program i just leave it to you uh brine and then we'll just switch to alex and see whether he's got any questions to put to you i'm sure he does i actually i think that's a very good point to to end on because i i think we we agree that that that that is where we are at we are at this critical point and it it really is up to and i i mean that's kind of why we do what we do we want to wake people up and we want to kind of drain the amount of public support this this self-destructive policy might have so that so that we we can slow it down impeded and perhaps even stop it because there is a place in a multi-polar world a prominent place for the collective west if they want it they just have to accept that they're not superior to everyone else they they cannot uh lord over the rest of the world they just have to work together with the rest of the world i don't think that's a lot to ask for but unfortunately for the people in power now for them it is i i completely agree so over to alex i'm sure he's got questions for you about two questions we're we're on a bit of a of a tight time limit for today but let's get through all the questions as best we can from christos lipo bethia he says only good news today so good news about sajas agreed rafael says i seriously start the question of poutin is not on the payroll of the west russia needs to remove this chicken before it's too late to timid mark qix says do you think that that the death of gazalo has led to the release of a saj by the removal of newlet right okay no absolutely not there completely i'm repentant and um as they get as far as julina sanj we don't know that he is really in the clear and that he will he will be able to go and and live his life as he wants now so no they they sometimes they have no choice but to give but they are not repentant and this isn't this isn't a sign of change and i don't think it contributed at all i i don't think gonzalez what happened to gonzalez has anything to do with this at all i i think that the united states is actually quite happy with the outcome it's achieved it's got a conviction it's uh muted as a journalist and far from far from being in the clear he's got a conviction now hanging over him if he if he steps out of line they can come after him again and of course they've got what they wanted they can warn other people too absolutely the correct decision for julina sanj no one should criticize him for what he has done but um as i said in terms of the causation of the case gonzalez case had nothing to do with it i should have by the way quickly had a one on the topic of poutins and somebody brought him up i noticed that in a press conference poutin actually mentioned gonzalez he didn't mention him by name but he talked about the fact that an american journalist had died in ukraine and that nobody had spoken out in favor of him no the american government hadn't also look at the timing of uh of aside his release two days before the debate this was uh this was a big win for biden i agree i agree as well as well as a big one for aside to big win for biden as well elsa says brian great work will tie land get it to bricks oh well that is a very good question and that's as optimistic as i would like to be i'm i'm cautious if not skeptical uh getting it to bricks is is is a process that if you do not up control over your own country's information political educational space the u.s is going to use their unwarranted influence to derail that they already have people who i know for a fact associate with the u.s state department u.s embassy here writing op-eds in local papers saying that joining brits is is of is misguided it's a mistake and before you know it will have protests in the streets even violence and and there will be tremendous pressure on pylon not to join brits we've seen what happened to argentina and the the black hole they were sucked into before reaching brits and uh i'm it is the next logical step for thailand would obviously benefit pylon and and getting into brits and perhaps starting a process of uprooting all this on board that influence inside uh tie to the various tie domains that would be great but the u.s isn't going to allow this to happen without a fight brits in vegas has good morning brian allaxander and allax it's it's paul thank you for that did i gisa thank you for that sparky says brian would running the u.s out of syria be a productive reprisal for russia for the civilian beach attack is there a good way for russia to go about it well they're they're in the process of doing that they don't want the u.s in syria syria doesn't want the u.s in syria and none of these countries want the u.s in in the middle east uh and even for israel a u.s proxy whether they know it or not it's not in their best interests have the united states in the region and for them to pursue the foreign policy that they pursue so it's a it's a natural process that everyone agrees must happen anyway and i i would imagine that yes if if there are opportunities to expand this policy and accelerate it because of the different provocations the u.s is is carrying out then yes they will they will take advantage of that and speed up the process michael symore says the u.s wanted to produce a chilling effect on the journalists by accusing asage they did not win against asage but the chilling effect was successful yes steven whatter thank you for that benjamin says is russia not a stabilizing force in the world surely breaking russia up have will have globally catastrophic consequences even for those who dream of its bulkionization pure hubris true yes uh nova storm says the situation seems so much more concerning due to being an election year as if the u.s needs the escalation another vietnam perhaps i i mean this is where i differ from a lot of people i don't think elections make any difference at all i don't think trump or or biden there's i mean trump had already been in office for four years he was still i was under his administration wasn't like it was his idea it was under his administration that first the u.s weapons went to pray which almost certainly was the crossing of the red line that convinced russia we need to we need to care we need to intervene now because if we don't the weapons are just going to build up and this is going to be even harder in the future that is what compelled them to do that and again it it wasn't the president isn't making these decisions it is the deep state unelected deep state that does this but if that is the case then what difference is making what difference do elections make in u.s policy i just don't see it but that's just me yeah well just to add to that and the point that we've been making on our programs the the latest sanctions that the united states unveiled against russia mean that the united states can now impose secondary sanctions on against any financial institution in the world including all of the chinese banks and since their secondary sanctions they don't need the decision to be made by the president it can be done by the bureaucracy without the president himself being involved yeah bro ham says with the british elections coming up in the big zero seats campaign going on any chance we see another episode with dr nima partvini it was an excellent show with him good news for us on yes that's a good idea to do another show with dr parvini uh mass master goa says can can you guys talk to russians with attitudes uh sometime also thank you for all your hard work love your shins sure yes we will give that a shot sparky says build a better world of bricks michael says can you confirm that biden promised on december 2021 that no missiles would be installed in ukraine and that this promise was removed in january 2022 the best person the best person to go to all of that is ray mcgarden who's tracked it and followed it very very closely and he's dead he's taking all this information of course from russian uh transcripts of the meeting between poutin and biden and statements that russian officials made including laugh rock himself who's provided a very detailed account of his meeting with blinken in which the promise the author was taken away taken back bftis wide says brian do you think the west is able to wage the war at scale today unlike the 1930s the usa and european industries are not up to snuff enough to escalate to a bigger war nuclear is the only way it can go well clearly they cannot because they're they're trying and they're failing and they're they're admitting in their own reports examining the state of their military industrial capacity that a huge system wide change needs to be made and it's not that the people that fund these think tanks to do these studies are the the arms manufacturers that are pursuing profit over purpose and incapable of delivering so it just it just cannot be done and if you if you look at traditional arms manufacturing in the west and these so-called startups their first and only priority is profit and everything else comes second and so this is what drives every decision that they make whereas if you have state owned enterprises presiding of your military industrial production it doesn't matter how much it costs or how long it takes if it needs to be done it's going to be done it's going the resources are going to be made available whether it's a tiny profit margin no profit margin or say you do make a profit but it's the purpose comes before profit and this is this is the the night and day difference the us had a mindset like that during world war two that is gone that is buried forever they will never be able to get up not not in time to change the course of of what is going on now g one four one six says could the Istanbul talks have been tactical move by the west to get the Russian troops out of Kiev well some people some people in Russia now think that I mean Putin has said straightforwardly that he was tricked I mean he's admitted it by the way he said himself that you know the the Russians were tricked they tricked us again that was exactly what he said yeah john dutchman thank you for that adola says brilliant brilliant all thank you gentlemen it's reassuring to know that reason still exists thank you for that matthew says brian percentage possibilities of a wider conflict it's getting wider by the day i mean just let's just look at what's going on the us right now and right now is even there escalating with russia in ukraine they've got the philippines now trying to provoke an armed conflict basically with china over a rusty hulk stranded on in a tall with with china the the philippines largest trade partner imports exports their only chance of getting modern infrastructure to to climb out of the poverty that generations of spanish and american colonialism has placed them in they're going to start this this conflict with with china so it's it's only it's only set to expand and and spiral of control unfortunately sparky says it takes two generations to significantly change from a non-innovative culture to an innovative one it's been long enough china is now innovative well the economist thinks so yeah kfd thank you for that sticker em and rica says in war morale is crucial to achieve victory it'll be a disastrous war against the grandsons of the mighty red army valeria thank you for that super sticker nicholas walker says i'm reminded of the yes minister line diplomacy is about surviving until the next century politics is about surviving until friday afternoon is a brilliant it was that was a brilliant a series by the way came out in the 80s but um today i think the world is a much darker place than it was when that series was made sparky says western foreign policy has a mentality of a bunch of adolescent girls valeria that yeah accurate turner games thank you for that donald dashley thank you for that super sticker to pato mottato says first china thank you but not a dprk in vietnam perhaps Putin should purchase a hammer and sickle of help in for foreign troops i i i i think that's uh let's not let's jump to this the ideologies i think are becoming increasingly relevant in a situation where as i said all of these countries feel that they face the same challenge which is the which is the the united states of the collective west the the latest country to achieve a strategic partnership with russia by the way it's been talked about this morning is iran and iran was not an ally of the soviet union at any time during the cold war and and oh i'm sorry i was just gonna say that a lot of people have this idea that china is this like red communist dystopia that they've seen in the 70s where they're all riding on bicycles and wearing the same clothes that is not china today china today if you go there it looks like how westerners wish their their society looked uh and it has a it has central planning but so does the west they have state of the enterprise but so does the west and they have plenty of private enterprise now so that this concept that it's a it's some kind of the traditional sense a communist society as they imagine this is this is just uh this is a fantasy this is not like that right now in china or vietnam bob says a thousand likes think for that sparky says brian will assangina should light on set the rich murder debbie seems like debbie waslam and Schultz had her stooges the awan brothers attempted to take him out and he was finished off in hospital let let me repeat again the point i'm made he is not out of the woods he's not in the clear he has a conviction hanging over him he is going to be very very careful what he says exactly he'll be he'll be quiet i think for for a while yeah uh tepato matata says it seems to me that we've reached a point where the us can't choose to fight war against only russia or only china if the us attacks one want the other step up in defense they're out of time they wanted to take russia and then china but they're out of time because it's taking too long to or it will never happen in regards to russia and china is moving too quickly so from uh rob one appreciate your articles brian thanks alex and alex i tuned in daily i like having the extra insight amongst friends so it's hard so it's hard for me to share but appreciate it and unparalleled thank you for that rob chris says do you expect urud that taking on a more key role in nato brian to trigger any change in approach towards the smo and russia vice versa he will do whatever he's told by by the special interests that actually control which direction nato goes and that again it's the arms industry oil finance the same corporations that have been running things for generations in the west all right uh brian and alexander just a number please give a confidence level out of 10 in your personal opinion did ukraine intend for the intent for the detonation to occur over the beach a five doesn't count i i i i didn't like to give numbers um i i've swung backwards and forwards on this but i've come to the conclusion that they did uh now you know it's it's because we're getting more information all the time but partly it was what pudalia said secondly it was the trajectory of the missile and thirdly the russians are updating the information that they'd be providing and i think i think that they knew perfectly well that when they launched the missile and the way that it did there was a very very high probability indeed that something like that would happen they didn't target the bit the beach directly because doing that would have you know been an open but they wanted to preserve some degree of deniability but they've shown as um brian said absolutely no remorse about what has happened no uh a sense that this is a mistake or anything like that on the contrary they seem perfectly happy with the result no number brian I mean pudalia said it he's he's saying this this fits into their larger strategy of exterminating the population of Crimea which these are people who have lived there before 2014 and so they're they're talking about liberating Crimea but also exterminating the population that had been there before before it rejoined Russia so this is this is what Russia and the russian speaking population of Ukraine have been putting up with since 2014 and this is why it has devolved into to war because you've got reason with people who think like this these are people that that simply have to be dealt with you cannot reason or negotiate with them unfortunately that which is why the u.s. installed them cloudio spencer says julian Assange is free thank you cloudio for that joe public says what has 800 billion dollars been spent on annually guess in reference to the money to Ukraine I guess or or the US military budget the US defense budget maybe russian russian the expert on this decaying maybe the army run down no more than an expeditionary force i don't know about the air force it goes into these massive overpriced absurd and ineffective weapon programs the the the new stealth bomber for example is so so over budget and behind schedule and they admit that modern russian and chinese air defenses are almost certainly going to be able to target and destroy it so what they will use it for is the same thing russia is using their old to blow up to you ninety uh fives for standoff weapons that that you can literally fire with a propeller driven uh war plane at a distance because it it doesn't come close to air defenses so it doesn't matter if it's stealth or not so this is this is what the US is spending the money on and it is just pure corruption it is private enterprise profiteering at the expense of purpose fly high says the clowns threw away the f-22 tooling oh well they did they did the same with satin five as i understand it that you know they're heavy launch rocket and as i said they scrapped it and they can't make it now they could in the 60s but they can't make it now df says what's the high mar on the beach supposed to hit the recommissioned early detection system in cremaia allowing israel to attack has below with an emp i haven't heard that no i don't think so i'm sure not that's too complicated i think i think ryan has explained what the logic of this was it's basically to terrorize to to cause fear and to drive and anger and anger and anger as well yeah uh sparky says brian in the u.s. industrial arts aka shop class has been removed from u.s. schools for two or three decades millennials and youngers and millennials and younger can't hammer a nail much less produce 155 millimeter shelves and that's what they admit in their own reports studying the the defense industrial base that the human resources necessary to ramp up production don't exist and no one in america's interested in joining a potential expansion of of the industry to do this and they're talking about well maybe we can do some program where we go into schools and promote stem and just just imagine how how that would be how that would work and how long that would take to produce results this is this is where they are and again a mess of their own making i don't know about i don't know about china but i should say in russia which produces huge numbers of stem graduates relative to its size there is no mo there is no forcing of people or incentivizing the people to do stem subjects they just do because that's the culture of the society that we're talking about and i think in china it's the same bob says two thousand likes you guys are so cruel but good thank you bob uh troublesome says my three favorite journalists are alexander alex and brian thank you for the great work you all do to keep us informed thank you for that sparky says seems to me boat building shipping and logistics are in the greek blood yes they are oh absolutely nik yeah nik thank you for that sidd oesley thank you ralph says brian do you do you think that scott has been given a warning by the us to dollar back i guess with the passport issue i could i i could speak yeah i don't know my father's and i mean we my family's dealt with that he'll get it back he'll get it back i think i think you answered your own question actually um ralph i mean we'll get the passport back but yeah they don't want to travel to russia i think it's that that's simple yeah simple yeah no uh andry says they learned the lesson in world war one and went directly to government control in world war two hmm okay sparky says brian obviously poutins peace proposal shows that the west has russia on the run should western event planners move forward in order the victory party decorations i mean i and again as as uh both of you alex and alexandra have explained in your videos in much greater depth uh it's a maximalist proposal and it's hardly a piece of that is an ultimatum and you know make an ultimatum uh from a position of weakness unless unless of course you're zalinsky and then you're doing that but you're just doing that because what else can you do yeah jameela says thank you jennel mein for your great work thank you for that Trevor max says thank you thank you Trevor tish m says justice for julina sanj justice for consolo lira thank you sparky says brian could you cranes attack on the russian early warning radar station be an attempt to keep russia from warning iran of an israeli attack now hey yeah and again look whatever whatever israel plans to do to his blood or iran as long as they're using conventional weapons it really doesn't matter because you we've seen this transpire already just between israel and lebanon in two thousand six they they bombed it for weeks and weeks they ran out of bombs you said that expedite bombs to israel to continue bombing them and they still lost because you cannot win a war with just air power alone with just airstrikes alone if they're going to use some kind of nuclear weapon i mean how will you know until it's it's already detonated that it's it's a nuclear weapon versus a conventional payload summer of 1970 thank you for that the peter says happy to say i took tech shop classes in new york public school in the late two thousandths well done peter johad says thanks for the daily excellent information joe public says dumbing down seems to be working well and sparky says millennials may not be able to produce a Saturn five rocket but they can tell you whether it's sexist racist or phobic but that's that thing is i'm yeah america is is capable of of amazing engineering feats but just not on the scale that they used to be able to put in some look at space x and but space x is an exception because it is it is elon musk's personal project and he has put the purpose of space x above profit to the point where he does lose money and admittedly loses money and you can see his approach how effective it is compared to say Boeing Lockheed Martin united launch alliance Boeing with its it's got its first manned crew uh craft up there at the space station leaking and space x already fulfilled their original contract they're working on the second contract that shows you night and day the difference between purpose and profit within the same system the american system yeah agreed all right i think that's everything guys any final thoughts before we who wrap things up right we are living in very we're living in very interesting times and i checked with one of my chinese friends and it turns out that is indeed a chinese saying but we are indeed living in very very interesting time if we get through the next few years things will start to get a lot better this is my own view um there will probably still be many many problems in the west but we'll be through the most dangerous time and eventually that will start to have an effect on the west itself as the other places in the world rise the next few years are going to be difficult very difficult it's going to be a matter of the rest of the world really stretching this out playing out the clock these interests driving western foreign policy right now exhausting themselves and a process where they are displaced within the west with more constructive interests willing to work with the rest of the world rather than trying to irrationally subjugated that's that's what needs to happen that's what we all have to ask ourselves what position we're in to contribute to which part of this best because it it's going to take a lot of work can i happen overnight cannot happen with one election is going to take years and years of hard work across a wide a wide array of different focuses media industry business community everything to to try to get this in a in a direction that will benefit us i agree with Alexander if we get through this the world will be much much better off in the future and just one very last thing the fact it is indeed us against the rest of the world the Swiss peace conference actually showed that I mean it was it was just the west and everybody else turned their backs turned their backs on the whole process and on the in effect on the west itself yep yes thank you Jeff for that super sticker and on that the note we will end the live stream Brian Berlettik the new atlas i have his youtube twitter what else brian do i have in the description you're to tell me hello Graham yep i've got all the links in the description box down below strongly recommend that if anyone is not following brian definitely follow brian one of the absolute best content creators out there thank you brian for joining us once again thank 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