(upbeat music) (dramatic music) - Welcome to a special Monday edition of "Wallowing in the Shallows," the podcast that skirts the perilous drop-off of a deep dive into television and movies. We are academic nerds aspiring to become TV and movie geeks. There are no spoiler guards in the shallows, so listen at your own risk. This week, join us for a wallow in the Mandalorian, season one, re-watch. - Hey, hello, peeps. Welcome to "Wallowing in the Shallows," this is Tori. - And this is Rebecca. And today we are talking about the Mandalorian, season one, episode four, chapter four, "Sanctuary," season one, episode five, chapter five, "The Gunslinger," and season one, episode six, chapter six, "The Prisoner." And we're joined again with Nancy and Jeff. Welcome back. - Hello. - Thank you for having us back. - Yeah, we're really excited. We had so much fun. - That was a lot of fun. - Oh, we really had a good time too. (laughing) Was I learned a lot from your "Star Wars" knowledge, so that was great. - Yeah, we hope it wasn't too much. We're trying not to be overbearing. - Oh, no. - Oh, no, overbearing, being overbearing. And we're not sure we can do a "Star Wars" related podcast without you. - That is true. - Well, thank you. - That's very kind. (laughing) - You're both fabulous human beings. You could do it. - Oh, I think it wouldn't be as good. - Wouldn't be as good, wouldn't be as good. So, all right. Well, again, I mean, we can kind of start out linearly, but I doubt we'll stay that way. (laughing) We can start with episode four, "Which Is Sanctuary." I didn't realize, I mean, I guess I knew she had directed something, but I didn't realize it was this episode. Bryce Dallas Howard, taking after her daddy, doing some directing. - And I liked this episode. I think she did a good job. And Tori, I don't know if you guys watched Echo, but Tori, did you recognize Julia Jones as Chafa? - Yep. - Nice. - I did, I did. But I also recognized her from the Twilight series. (laughing) - Oh, no. - Yeah. - Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, she's the hot widow, yeah. - Oh, yeah. Well, she plays. - Yeah, in this episode, yeah. - Yeah, she's the widow in this episode. I was like, that's the hot widow in Twilight. No, no. (laughing) She played the lone female wolf in Twilight, but she was also in Longmire. - Oh, was she? - Yeah. Yeah. - Oh, god. - She played Gabriel? Gabriel? - Gabriella? Gabriella. - Okay. - But it's mostly from Eclipse and Echo that I recognized her. So. - Yeah, it's nice to see her again. Yeah, I like her too. - And it was weird. - One-handed bird. - Go ahead. - Oh, I just, I hadn't remembered her from Longmire. - Oh, okay. I was gonna say it was, you know, there was tension? Sexual tension between her and Mando. And I'm like, how the hell do I do that? He's wearing that freaking helmet. - It's the bedroom voice. - Yeah, it must be his bedroom voice. - He does have a good voice. - I was like, wow, that's pretty good feat to accomplish. When you have one person who you can actually read all their facial expressions and so forth. And the other person, it's just all body language. - Mando got pheromones. - Yeah, he does. - Yeah, he does. - And probably emphasized by wearing that armor all day, like, really stewing in it. Speaking of, I think her character was O'Mara. Maybe he was Julia Jones's character. It was never quite explained, but boy, she was a crack shot. - She was a crack shot. - What the heck? - You know, it'd be interesting to find out more of her backstory. You know, was she somehow involved in the alliance in the same way that someone else in this episode was or was it something she picked up from her husband, where she and her husband, smugglers, mercenaries, whatever, we don't know. - Yeah, yeah, that was an interesting loop left untied that was just like, whoa. I mean, everybody else had the drive, but not necessarily the skills. - That's true. - Well, that's like unlike any other farming family I think I've ever known, you know, like most farmers seem to know weaponry and guns. Maybe that's not true of shrimp farmers. I don't know, but maybe there's not wild predators on that planet or whatever. They don't have any need for it, you know. The shrimp don't seem terribly violent or anything. So I don't need that, but I thought that was an interesting of all the people he meets in that village, the one person who can shoot is that woman. - Now, another question I had was, why exactly was their village getting attacked? What did they have? At first I thought they were after the shrimps 'cause they, when they did perform the raid in the camp, they had these blue vats. So were they stealing the krill? Was there something special about that that was helping them? - That is absolutely what they were doing because the beverage on the planet, Spatchka, is brewed from the krill. Now, I've never really heard of too many drinks that are distilled or brewed from animal protein. I can't imagine it must have tasted good. It must have, I mean, this being Star Wars. It must have tasted good. But that's what they were doing. They were stealing the krill to make their own Spatchka. - Okay. - Among other things. - You think they just cut the middle person out though and steal the Spatchka? - I mean, do they have the materials to brew Spatchka? - I don't know if there was any place in the village that they could brew the Spatchka. Maybe it's a case where these craters took over like another part of the village or a different village that actually had the tanks to brew in and everyone just consolidated into this one village where they collect the krill and then send them off elsewhere. I mean, we're getting a little on the weeds, but that. But it is fun to speculate about. - But it is kind of a weak point in the story, honestly. You know, for the people who have nothing, yet they're being raided all the time by people having, you know, a walker and are pretty tough and why they have shrimp. - Yeah. - Yeah. - They have neon blue shrimp. - Yes. - And I think there's nothing else. - Yeah, the klutuni need that walker because I mean, why would you be scared of anything called a klutuni? - Right, right, right. - The pigeons. - They don't seem very capable. - Yeah, no, that was a really big dog-faced raiders. - Yeah, I didn't know that krill were a real crustacean here in our oceans. - Yeah, baleen wheels will eat krill. - That don't taste smaller. - They are smaller and they don't taste good to humans such as why we haven't been harvesting them ourselves. They don't have a whole lot of nutritional value, I guess. And then just baleen wheels just go up them by the ton. - Well, apparently you can make alcohol out of them. - So, who knew, right? - Least in this universe. - Yeah, they're blue. - Only blue. - And the black shrimp. - Yeah, yeah. - I also found Omera, that name for some reason. I was just curious about that name, Omera. It's actually a dietary supplement that has omega-3s from fish oil. (laughing) Whoa, we see what you did there, Faloni. - Yeah. - You see that. - Oh my gosh, good find. - Like attention. - That's amazing. - Detail, geez. Oh, I wondered if it was like some mythical water goddess or something, but I didn't expect to find a dietary supplement. So that was a surprise. (laughing) Do you name your daughter a dietary supplement? - Yes, yes, yes. So anyway, little ephemera there. - Love it. - Yeah. - I mean, there is a lot of unknowns on that planet, right? So they talk about there not being any population density, but that implies no, like if you say no population density, that means there's no people. - Nothing bigger than a small village. - Right, nothing bigger than a small. But then, but if they're not brewing the Spotska, who is? Like where's the Spotska village? - Yeah, right. (laughing) - Okay, it's in the woods and the Raiders stick it over. I wanted to know whether Raiders got that Walker. (laughing) - Me too. - Me too, like who called it a favor? Like where do the Raiders come from? Are they native of this world? They're probably not, but why this world? Why is this world important enough to have a Raider band that warrants their own scout walker? - Yeah, that whole image and the sounds just took me right back to those original Star Wars, you know? - Yeah, they did. - I really enjoyed that sort of callback with that Walker. - I like that the Raiders gave it a little bit of a paint job. They could look more beamed and the red light in the cockpit, blowing out through the viewports, making it look very quiet like a monster. I like that kind of thing. - Yes, totally. - Yeah, when it came crashing through the forest towards the end of the episode, number one, it was coming across as really sentient. I mean, not like, I mean, I know there's supposed to be some people or probably coutunies in there operating it, but the thing itself came across as sentient and it also was giving me like Jurassic Park vibes as it came crashing out of the forest and I could hear Jeff Goldlem going, "Let's go faster, let's go faster!" (laughing) - I was getting that. I was also getting RoboCop with Ed 209 where it's on the stairway and it's trying to determine if it can go down the stairway just in the same way. The scout walker was observing the ditch, the little channel and not stepping into it. I got the same vibe off of both of those things. - Oh, hmm. - Speaking of that-- - I have not seen RoboCop. (laughing) - I have 1980s classic, yeah. - Yes. - I know. - I know. - Yeah. - It's not very good, but it's good, bad. - You what? - I love those kinds of things. - You what, RoboCop. - It's fine. - RoboCop's a classic. How dare you? - That's a different podcast. - Is it? - Okay, well, I suppose so. (laughing) - And then we were talking last time about the callbacks to different franchises and that definitely to Jurassic Park or to the RoboCop could've been that vibe. - Yeah. - That kind of monster. - Yeah. - Speaking of that trench, holy cow, I'm trying to imagine these farmers snorkeling, I don't know, getting into that ditch to take it deep enough for this walker to get him hip deep in it, I thought, wow, I mean, the barricades or whatever was one thing, but digging in this water. - A boat, yeah. - Wow. Yeah. Yeah. - I kind of wonder, maybe. - They can just hold their breath long. - Yeah. - Yeah. - They're stronger from what they can come along. - Yeah, but these feral divers. - Yeah. - That's all the water. - Yeah. - But when you want to take up at a time, I mean, hold it down. (laughing) - I think it's not like they have bulldozers or, I don't know. - We didn't even see any shovels, so what were they digging with? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Impressive. - The young, they used the young. What? (laughing) - Ragtag bunch, but boy, they did a great job. They really did. And I did really love the introduction of, is it Cara or Cara? Cara Dune? - Cara Dune. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. Yeah, that was pretty cool. She was a good ad to the episode and I liked their introduction of being enemy. They were both suspicious of each other and both thought, you know, something quite reasonable of one another. And then ended up coming together to save this little village. I enjoyed it. I really did. Where, how much progress did we make in the whole series? Well, we see they're still after Grogu and they know where he is. So, so definitely some progress there. But it was a delightful interlude on what was the planet called Sargon? - Sargon. - Sargon. Yeah. The backwater scug hole. (laughing) Yes. Yes. No one will find us here. (laughing) - Less than an hour later, they're found. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Exactly. - Yeah. - Exactly. Which thank goodness 'cause I didn't want him to leave baby out of behind. (laughing) - I love that, that their fight scene, the first fight scene, right? With Cara and the Mandalorian they both stop and there's little baby Grogu. - Yeah. - The finesse bone broth and he's just like wow. - Mm-hmm. - Wow, that was adorable. You know, that little guy can move when he wants to. It's like, you're like, come on, Mando, give him a break. Don't make him walk by himself, but then he'll move like 30 feet in an instant. - Mm-hmm, yeah. I noted that as well. - Yeah, that's the funny part when he gets off the shift and he just keeps walking. Like the little dude's legs are so short and he's just like, trucking along. But you're right, that's a good point. He must have a different way of moving or something. Mando doesn't even think about picking him up. He's like, yeah, whatever, come on. - You got this. - So, I mean, that's the funny part to you. - Mando has some things to learn about being a dad. As Kelly indicates in the second episode. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - But I think one of the things Jeff and I have talked about is that like this episode is like the Magnificent Seven or other westerns where you get like that mysterious stranger that comes into town and saves them or whatever. - Mm-hmm, yeah. - And as we were talking about this, I was thinking those movies have also similarly completely illogical reasons for why the raiders are attacking the village. - Yeah. - You know, like you've got this village of nobody. They have nothing. They have a well, maybe. - Mm-hmm. - But the raiders are still coming for them and so they have to be saved much like Mando saves this village. - Yep, yeah, it's a very well-worn trope. Any number of westerns have it. Any number of samurai films have it. And it's just this, just the classic trope, as you said, of any mysterious stranger comes and helps a village from bandits and raiders. - Maybe we shouldn't ask too many questions as to why the raiders are there. - No. - You should just move on with that. - They're there because it's dramatically right. - Right, right, because they needed them to be. Yeah. I thought that we were very orcish. - Yeah. - In a way. - And later on, was it this episode? I was like, the man, oh yeah, it was this episode. I put Mando as the air horn in this scenario. (laughing) And I was like, I'm so happy to get in between you. - Yeah, Lord of the Rings vibes in this episode as well. - Yeah. - Anyway, but Cara Dune, I really like her character. And of course, since I've already seen the rest of the series and so forth and know what happens with her as an actress, I just think that's a big loss and it's a shame. I like the character a lot. I think she brought a lot. I mean, and there's still questions, right? Like, why would she have thought somebody was or like, Mando was sent as a bounty hunter to capture her? You know, we never find that out. Why was she hiding on Sargon or Sargon or whatever the planet is, but, but she's a freaking badass. - Yes, yeah, I love her character. - She was a darn good character. And I regret that she's no longer a part of it. - Yeah, yeah. - So we just enjoy the time that we have with her. - Yeah, that's right. We'll enjoy the body of work as unfortunately abbreviated as the body maybe. (laughing) - Yeah, I was confused though. Like at one point, like early on, she's referred to as a former shock trooper. - Yeah. - Yes. - But then some. - A Republic drop trooper. - Yeah, and then somewhere. - Yeah, and so later though, somebody, maybe this is just me mishearing something, but I thought they called her a drop soldier. - Yeah, so it's sort of the same thing. She's probably sort of an elite paratrooper type forces. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So I have a question about Cara's past. So I thought it was mentioned that she was on Endor, right, the Battle of Endor. And that was the whole Ewok thing, right? - Yes. - Okay, so that was kind, I liked that that sort of placed us in the original Star Wars world as well. - And it was actually a planet I recognized, which I felt really proud of. (laughing) - That in Tatooine, I was like, I know these, I know these planets. - Yeah, it made me think, are we supposed to then just assume she was with Han Solo in that group that he brought down to try to bomb the-- - Oh, that's fun to think about. That's fun to think about. - Yeah, I like that. - Ooh, good point, I didn't think of that. - Yeah. - Because I mean, the Battle of Endor was with all the Ewoks and Han Solo and everybody, right? - It'd be fun if she was in that group, but now I can't remember if she said that she took part in Endor or the stuff that she did after Endor was mostly mopping up warlords and mercenaries. - But I thought she did mention something about Han Solo in Endor. - I would love for that being. Some fun thing that she was wandering around with this little helmet and a camouflage poncho. - Yeah, exactly. - Exactly, oh my God. - All of that's right. And all those speeders, right? Going through all the trees and everything. - Oh, yes. - Yeah, totally. Okay, that's all coming back. It's all coming back. - Love me to speed her bike. - Yeah. - Yeah, interesting. Yeah, I'm gonna just make it my head cannon. - Yes. - It's the part of Han's strike force. And then she just stayed on after, right? To do some of the peacekeeping work. - Did you know she had a little Rebel Alliance tattoo just underneath her left eye? Kind of like a cholo tier, almost? - Oh, I didn't notice that. - Yeah, yeah. It almost looks like a mole or a birthmark, but it's a little rebel symbol. - Huh, that's what I thought it was. It was like a mole or something. Yeah. - I was traveling with me. That's no life for a kid. (laughing) - Mando, I don't know. I just love this relationship that continues to develop and you know, Grogu is starved for playing, right? - Mm-hmm. - His plan was switches and knobs that are at the end of. (laughing) - Yep. - And he has all these kids and I don't know. That was, I did not want the two to be separated, but Grogu was so happy there and was really living a child's life instead of, you know, being in the backseat of a bounty hunters, you know? (laughing) - Car. - So I just love how that relationship is developing and I do think that even though Mando has missteps as daddy figure, he really cares about the little guy. - He does. It seems like he doesn't fully know what to do. He's kind of treating Grogu, the child more as a pet, almost like you stay, you stay here. (laughing) And this is something, this is something you brought up. We never really hear about hygiene mentioned that much. (laughing) - We're feeding him, like he eats frogs and stuff. (laughing) Can I feed him? Sure, it's a, can I play with him? - That's a thing you have to do. - Great idea, I didn't even think of that. - I don't know, something with bones. (laughing) - But I think that what's in that scene where they bring them blankets and you know, and the little girl wants to take Grogu and play with him. And how hesitant Mando is in that moment. And he doesn't want that to happen. And I think that's the first time we see him actually, physically and verbally react to an uncertain situation he views as with Grogu. - Right, he's like 10 feet away, right? And somebody in his front yard, but he's like, no. But I just appreciated that moment where we're seeing he is actually moving more towards a parental set of feelings. Yet on the other hand, he's completely inept. You know, leaves him in the ship and all kinds of stuff. Definitely new dad vibes. - Yes. (laughing) - And single parent, right? He doesn't have anybody else, so. - No, he doesn't have anyone else in the covert. To fall back upon. We also don't know, you know, how much responsibility he would have had within the covert to be part of child rearing. Like how spread throughout the covert, that sort of thing is. - Right, like do certain people, are they the only ones who take care of the kids or they could just left a fend for themselves or, you know, how does childcare happen? - Yeah, who's the Mandalorian diaper changer? - Right. (laughing) - Who gets that job? (laughing) - I just got like a mental picture of like, best car diapers. (laughing) - Oh my gosh. (laughing) Not very absorbance. - Not very comfortable either. - But they hose right off. (laughing) - Easy to clean. And if somebody shoots you with a blaster, you're good. - You're fine. - Yep. (laughing) - Handels even the toughest, boom boom. (laughing) - Yeah, yep. - Well, I didn't have too much more about this episode. Anybody, anybody else have? - Not really, I feel like a lot of it can be covered with broad swipes as we have. Desperate villagers, mysterious stranger. - Yeah, mm-hmm. - Mysterious person from the past from the rebels. - Mm-hmm. - Momentary temptation. - Yes. - Very beast moment. I don't think Mando's that tempted honestly. - You don't think so? - Maybe a little. - Maybe a little. - Okay. - Yeah, that's a good, okay. Let's linger a moment on that because we definitely see, well, there's a lot of gratitude in the village, right? Obviously, they wouldn't be happy to accept these two people, these two individuals as part of their community. But clearly, O'Mara's got a little more for Mando. And I like that she was really slowly trying to remove his helmet. It was like, okay, you can stop me if you want. So it wasn't like, I want to see your face, you know. - Yep, where's the limit? Where's the limit? - No, exactly. - I understand right there. - Yeah. - Does this bug you? I actually am talking about this bug you. (laughing) - So I liked that. And yes, Mando is, and Mando's code, I mean, as we see a little bit later in the prisoner when Chian is like parroting things he says, he is very devout, right? - Yes, that's a good word for it. - Whatever his feelings may or may not be, he is not gonna violate this code, these people that saved him, you know, all of this kind of thing. His particular needs are not his focus. - Right. - For desires, his desires. - I love that you use the word devout. I think that's an amazing way to think of it. I don't think I've thought of it like that, but I really like that. And then that makes later, we'll have to come back to that 'cause I think it makes some of the things he does later or we can look at him at a different light if you view the way he's acting as devotion and being devout. - To what he's done for most of his life. - Right, right. - And then the things he does later in later seasons for the baby. - Mm-hmm, right. - Your shifts for his devotion and his attitudes about being a Mandalorian. - Yes. - One of the things that I questioned, and again, I know this just because I've seen the whole series, is when he's talking to Cara Dune and saying that, you know, they're gonna have to leave and she's like, it's gonna break his little heart. And Mando's like, he'll get over it. And I'm like, dude, you haven't got no more. - Ah, right. - You're feeling nice. - You're feeling so nice. - You are so right. - So, it's really kind of interesting, kind of thinking ahead about, you know, the baby becomes his family that he never got to experience. Having a family like this. And so I think that's why the baby becomes so important to him, so. - Yes. - Which is almost, I'm thinking duh, Tori, that's such a duh statement. - No, it's correct. - No, but I think it's great because some of the things he does do are more along the lines of him thinking about the baby as a pet, you know. So, and they don't really know what it is. They only know it's an asset that somebody wanted and it's young and vulnerable, but they don't know perhaps it's level of sentience or it's level of comprehension or anything. So, you know, kind of thinking about that, what you said, Tori, makes a lot of sense, actually, is that he, at first, he doesn't really understand it, but then as things move, he does start to shift his attitudes and how he's feeling. - Yeah, just realizing that it is, in fact, a child can't care for itself otherwise. So, yeah, but again, we don't know exactly what, as you said, what level of development mentally it has. - Right, yeah. - All right, well, cool. Let's move on to Filoni's episode, right around the director. (laughs) - Okay. - Come on, slinger. Now, who is the gun slinger? (laughs) - Oh, dang. First thing I would say is it has to be Mando, because that is, that's kind of, he's got this sort of Clint Eastwood lone stranger, man with no name, ah, man with no name. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I see what you did there. - Yes, but so he's the gun slinger, 'cause he's wandering from place to place at this point through necessity, but usually just through where his work takes him as a bounty hunter. So, he's the gun slinger in that regard. Nancy, do you wanna pick up with the new guy that we mean in this episode? - The new guy, I don't know that that guy qualifies as a gunslinger. (laughs) Yeah, 'cause he just is that quintessential, like kind of not very smart, but thinks he's really, you know, all that. But he isn't. I mean, if that's the definition of a gunslinger, I guess that maybe makes him one. But yeah, that's a great, I think we've said this the last time too, is like, what was the sin? And we talked about that. And then like, who's the gunslinger? I mean, it could be Fennec Shand, in a sense. It could be the mysterious figure that we see. But we see him to her, you know? So, I don't know. Do you two think that the kid could be the gunslinger? - I think he's a red herring. - Ooh, I love that. - Because I think that at first, we're supposed to think he is. But I don't think he is. I don't know who is because Mando Fennec, the mystery man, or the mystery feet, we should say we don't actually know it's a man, although we know it's a man. (laughs) - So, yeah, I like Mando Fennec, or mystery feet. I do not like Toro Calicam, or whatever. I mean, he's just a little. - I think he wants to be the gunslinger. - Yes, 100%. - But he has no reputation for it. Because he's tried to get in the guild. He's sitting at a very certain place, in a very certain place, trying to just exude bravado that he doesn't really have. And he tries to flip his blaster around, he tries to fan it, and just look fancy, but he really is, he's a lot of bluster with nothing to fall, nothing to back it up. - He's the Barney Fife. (laughs) - That's awesome. - Barney Fife would never have made it across the Dune Sea on a speeder bike. (laughs) - Neither did that, well, I guess he did. (laughs) - I wonder if you asked Filoni, what he would say. - Yeah. - You know, who's the gunslinger? And actually, is it even more meta than that? And is it not anybody that was in that episode, does it, are there parts in there that were missing, or maybe is it a side reference to where the Toro kid was sitting, because we know who was sitting in that booth actually was a gunslinger. - Well, let's do a little bit more of a deep dive into that. - Right. - We're approaching Tatooine, which has a lot of baggage with it. We know they're at Mos Eisley. - That that wretched hive of scum and villainy. - And we see some familiar spots, we see familiar bits of junk debris that have been there for ages. We get the low adobe buildings, and then we enter into a cantina. - No, it's not any cantina. - It is the cantina. - The cantina. - The cantina. - The only cantina in the whole world. - Yeah, as far as we're concerned. (vocalizing) - And again, it's a scene that's made for us as older fans, because Toro Calligan is sitting in Han Solo's booth. - Yeah. - With his feet up on the table. - Yep. - You surper, you surper. - I was thinking, I'm like, dude, you don't know where to sit back. (laughing) - The bartender is no longer woo-hir, the guy who had, who was droid phobic. There are now droids, we have R5D4 is in there, and we have not one but two droid bartenders, one of whom is ED99 from Jabba's Palace, who was previously working as a droid torturer, and is now, along with one of its counterparts, of our tender. - I wonder how it felt about that. You know, like, it went from torturing droids for its own pleasure, to bartending at a cantina. - Memory wipe, no problem. - Is it happier? - Yeah, just a memory wipe. (laughing) - Well, there is one of the, from a certain point of view. - Yes. - That deals with that droid. - One of the stories, yes. - Yeah, one of the stories does, so, but I don't want to spoil it for people because it's such a great story that it deserves people to read it. But yeah, so we get all the feels from being there. - All the details. - And the details. - Again, another planet that I recognize. (laughing) - Yeah. - Yay! - Yeah. - Only there were Jabba's or something else, right? You'd be like, "Check, see Jabba's." - No, we get. - Well, that was before, but I mean-- - Well, we get something almost as good. - Yeah. - The Tuscan Raiders. - Yes, true. - Yes, true. But I guess for me, 'cause I've read that story from a certain point of view, that's why I really like that droid, ironic thing. - Mm-hmm, yeah. - But yeah, it would be interesting to see what Filoni would say. - Yeah. - Who was the cousin again? - Who was the cousin again? - Yeah. - 'Cause we don't think it was the kid. I think we all agree that we don't think about this. - I can just imagine like, it's Mandel, obviously. - I don't know. - Well, thanks Dave. - Thanks. Yeah, that's the name of the show. Wasn't this a little bit redundant? - Right. - Before we get too far from the beginning, I did love the, that's my line. When-- - Yeah. - Still I can bring you a worm or bring you in cold. He's like, "Ah!" (laughs) - Yeah, wait until just the right dramatic moment to say it. - Yeah. - Yes. - I like how that annoys him more than being chased and shot at. - Yeah. - Yeah. (laughs) - And this bucket of bolts is like barely holding together. - I mean, Kelly is a miracle worker, is all I have to say. And she doesn't even get to use her droids, so. - Oh, I think she used to droids. (laughs) - She would probably do a shot behind him and then she was like, "All right, do the thing." - All right, he's not here. - When the men are laurians away. - Yes, you're probably right, you're probably right. - Yes, yes, yeah. I love Amy Sideris in this role. - Love it, yeah. - So do I. - 100% amazing. And it's awesome that she clearly loves playing that role. - Yes. - And you know, holding the $2 million baby. - Yes. - Yes. (laughs) - Yeah. - And recognizing the child's needs, you know. And I think imparting some wisdom on Mando is just like, you can't just leave a child. Oh, love like this. - Yeah, I think only she would have, but she had the righteous gumption to stand up to Mando in that regard. - Yeah. - You know, just flat out telling him what for? He's like, "Yeah, yeah." - Yeah, baby. - To his credit, he didn't back sass her at all. - Yeah. - He knew. - Yes. - Yeah. - Yeah, she's so awful. I forgot that this is the episode where Fennec is brought in. - Yes. - And of course, I love it now. - So two great team work actors get introduced as you can see them. - Yeah, well, that was really cool. - Love it. - Really good point. - Yeah. - They come back to both of them in different ways. - Yep, I like it. I'm glad they're recurring characters. I really am. - Yes, yes. - It would be interesting to ask them, especially like, I think isn't Amy Cideris largely a comic. - Yes. - Yeah. - So working with someone who you can't see their face, and then the other at co-star that you're with is a puppet. (laughs) - Yeah. - What if that experience was like for her? - And then you're having to act at empty air because the pit droids are all CG. - Right. - Yeah. (laughs) - I thought they might have won, it was, you know. - They probably had a puppet stand in to give her a play, a reference. But yeah, I mean, that's talking to someone who's face you can't see, talking to a puppet that is being directed offscreen and acting at empty air. - I'm matching. - Yeah. I don't think she's get, I don't think she gets enough credit for saying those three things. - I think she was great in this role. - Oh yeah. - Absolutely. - Oh, she's fabulous. I love every time she shows up in an episode. And I like Fennick as well, for sure. - Oh yeah. - And Fennick knows what an idiot she's working with with Toro, and... - Yeah. (laughs) - But he gets to drop on her. - Well, interesting that Mando kind of just leaves her for dad, you know, that was a little surprising to me. - Yeah. - That was a loop that, yeah, I felt he should have closed off. 'Cause he knows exactly what she is. He knows how powerful she is, how skilled she is. - Mm-hmm. - I guess his drive to get back to his ship and the child was stronger. - Yeah. - Okay, so here's an action. - Well, he could have lightning figured out that somehow Fennick had told him, and he, Toro, was going back. - Oh, yeah. - I mean, you know, I've said that Mando's naive, but I don't know the stupid. - No. - So he could have like, sussed out. - Mm-hmm. - You know, why did he kill her? - And not take her back. - Yeah. - 'Cause that's true. - Yeah. - It didn't say explicitly, but it wasn't surprising if she was a dead or alive bounty. We don't know. - Mm-hmm, yeah. - But he also had to have proof of something. - Mm-hmm. - Right. - So he didn't even, what would make him do that? Oh, a more valuable target. - Mm-hmm. - Yeah, which would be... - Yes. - The baby. - The baby. - The baby. - The baby. - But you were gonna say something, we're back anyway. - I was just, no, no, no, I appreciate that. I was just gonna say, so Mando has the money to the credits to pay in the end. And at first, when I saw him pay the credits, I was like, oh, he took Fennec in, but he didn't. - Mm-hmm. - No, where did he just have the credits? Or did he take them off Toro? - He took them off Toro. - Okay, okay. - It's like a blink and a miss it. Yeah, he swipes down and grabs the pouch. - Okay, perfect, that's, thank you. - Or kid. - Takes a village. - She's gotten nothing. - And then he gets dumped in Bigger's can. - Yes! - Oh, ouch, yeah. - Yeah. - Oh, kind of deserved. - Kind of deserved. - Well, yeah. - To that. - So, I think they laid an Easter egg here that I didn't catch the first time I watched this episode when Mando and Toro are talking and Mando says, "She's no good to us dead." - Uh-huh. - And this, that's a callback to Empire, right? - Yes. - Where Boba Fett says, "Oh, Darth Vader, "that he's no good to me dead." - Yes. - Yeah, very good. - Oh, that's awesome, Tori. - Wow. - Oh, yeah. - Oh, boy. - Oh, boy. (laughs) - Love it. - Yeah, I didn't, I didn't think of that. I didn't remember he said that, but yeah. - It's still one of those things that stopped in there for us. - Yeah, yeah. - Oh, yeah, totally. Yeah, for us, yeah. - Well, then maybe that gives us the answer. She's no good to me dead. Perhaps she was not a dead or alive. - She did. - Yeah. - Bounty was alive only. - Yeah. - So, to find her apparently dead, without even bothering to check, he knows that there's something else that's more valuable in the line. And I think we've all sussed that, yeah. - Well, and maybe that line is an Easter egg also in a way of hinting that the person who's boots those are is who we find out who they are. - Yes. - Yes. - So, yeah. Oh, I love that, yeah. - At the time when this first aired, I swore up and down, it was gonna be Cad Bane. - Ah. - Who is, who's brought up in Clone Wars, I think, for the first time? - Yeah, yeah. - Because he was the only character I could think of that for Spurs, even though the mysterious feet don't have Spurs in this. - You're a jingle. (laughs) - You're a jingle. - You're a jingle, yep. - So, the escape of Grogu from Toro was another example of Grogu could move really fast when he wants to. - Yes. (laughs) - We don't, it's usually off screen, but we're like, how the heck did you get over there? - Yep. - It's a little bit like Kermit. - A little bit of a force jump. Maybe we never get to see it. - A little bit like Kermit. (laughs) - It's a little bit like Kermit. - It's a little bit like Kermit. (laughs) - You know, every time Toro, which really pissed me off at such an idiot, and his name was way too close to mine, right? I'm like, dude, come on, oh no. (laughs) But anyways. - Doesn't deserve it. That anyway, just is the big difference. - Yeah. Every time he keeps saying it'll make me legendary, I'm like, dude, you're signing your death word. Every time you are. (laughs) You know, because when you want to be legendary, you're not gonna be legendary. That never works out. - And he's not doing anything, right? I mean, he's totally riding on Mando's coattails here for those. So, yeah, he's got none of his own merits, which is just insufferable. - Right. - You surfer. (laughs) - We've been calling Mando naive all this time, but really, Toro is more naive than Mando is. - In some ways. - 100%. - He's probably just some street tough who came across someone's clothes and a blaster, and thought he would try to make his way in the world. - Well, he does have that one shining mama where he shoots a shannick fan, so. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Or fake shann. Yeah, he shoots her. - He just can't believe. - I'm surprised about that. - Oh, he got the drop on her. It's just like, yeah. - I know. - It's crazy. - And the shock on her face, like, well, you shocked me. - Yeah. - Yeah. We all were shocked about that. - Yeah. - Didn't really complete the job, though. I mean. - No. He was also willing to give up her bounty to go after something more valuable. And that's probably the only time in this episode that, you know, the neuron connections are made and he comes to a realization. That's probably, it is simultaneously the smartest and the stupidest thing he could have done because we know how he ended up. - Yeah. - Yes, but then another idiotic move, right? He has the child and he waits for Mando to come back. - Yeah. - He wants it all. - What? - Oh, I see. - He wants bull. He wants to both deliver the child and return this traitor to the guild. And I think the words of Fennec Shand were ringing in his ears that, you know, they would, the guild would welcome you with open arms and your name would be legendary. They say it out. - Right, right. - I'll kill two birds with one stone. I'll get both the targets that they want. And that would just cement his place, even though he honestly just had one good brainwave and that was dead. - Right. It wasn't really even a good one, right? He had seen Fennec Shand shoot long distance, long range, Mandalorian, the best car. And he specifically says, so what does he think his blaster pistol is gonna do? - Yeah. - When he, you know, confronts Mando, who's completely head to toe in that best car. Like he should have had a different plan. - Really true. - And just trying to, you know, threaten him with a baby. - At some point you gotta cut, you know, you gotta know when to hold him and know when to fall. (all laughing) - No one to walk away. - No one to walk away. - No one to run. - No one to run, no one to walk away. - With the baby arms, you know, forget Big Daddy, you know, just cut your losses here, man. - Yeah, catch the first cruiser out of Alpha Tatooine and get your connecting flight to Navarro. - Yeah, yeah. - I didn't love seeing those speeders going across the desert though. That was so cool. And I must be speaking of running across the desert. - Wow, the way Mando was able to navigate running through those dunes, it is not easy to run through a sand dune. Sand is hard to run in because it's not hard. (all laughing) - It's coarse and irritating, it gets everywhere. - It gets everywhere. It's getting in the crevices of that best car armor, but he just, he just, what? (all laughing) - Sandy caught peace, don't need it. - Oh, that good, that good. Not good. - Maybe there's something in his boots that like compensates or something. - You know, he has a lot of computer stuff in the rest of the car armor. - On the backing of the plate. - Yeah, yeah. Maybe there's something that will navigate. - He's got some serious tech. - Which reminds me, what the hell was his visor tracking in the last episode with the footsteps? I mean, it looked like he had signatures, right? Much, much later. - I'm like, well, that heat would be gone. - No fair. - Is that where he was trying to track Cara Dune? - Well, he was trying, a couple times they were tracking. - Yeah. - And then, yeah, he tracked Cara and she was, they vanished and she was above him, but then together they were tracking. - Yeah. - Oh, that's right. - Yeah. - The choo-chis or whatever. (all laughing) - That is now their name forever, Rebecca. - That's why our attunions was something like that. - Attunions, clattunions, yeah. Again, so that's the last one in Clattube or Rada Nicto from "Day Where It Stood Still." Yeah, 'cause there are also the race of creatures called the Nictos and I think there are Rada's as well. So the clattunions is the last one of the trilogy. - Nice. - So this episode, I think really had a lot of callbacks, again, placing us in comfortable situations. So the docking bay, even though they're, it's docking May 35, I think it would have been too much if they'd been like putting them in '94, right? - Yes. - Yeah. - We're just those little tick marks again. So we went three episodes, right, we've had all these little moments. And so then this is another one that has kind of, the speeders and the ganteen and the droid and the do-backs. - And those little droids, right, at the, that Amy Sedaris' character was using, those are the first episodes of "Anakin" and- - Yep, it wouldn't surprise me if those are the same pit droids that we're helping out. - Oh yeah. - It wouldn't surprise me at all. - Yeah, that would make sense. - Fun. Onto the prisoner. - Yes. (laughing) - I can't hide my, what did you say? - I said this is such a good one. - Lay it on me. - I am ready to hear it because this was my least favorite of the three. - Really? - Really? Yeah, yeah. - Interesting. - Okay, so I'm ready for this because I don't know. And maybe it was, I don't know what to say. It was my least favorite of the three. - So what about it, places it in that position for you? - So perhaps whatever callbacks there might have been I maybe missed. I didn't have as much obvious callback as the other two. Also, there's just a lot of fighting. Just a lot of hand to hand between these various people. And I really didn't, I mean, I knew this crew was insidious from the beginning and so when they locked Mando up, I'm like, are you surprised? I mean, and I guess I didn't really like these, these other characters, they didn't endear themselves to me and no, I must admit, I liked the droid. - Zero, the droid. - Zero. - Zero, who's from the IT crowd? - Yes! - Who I love that guy. So he was a real diamond in the rough for me. - Yeah, yeah. - And his little, his little chase sequence with Grogu toward the end and when Grogu's like shocked, he thinks, oh my gosh, did I stop him? But it was Mando who stopped him. So anyway, I loved everything about Zero. So I, that's, that's my, that's my game. But I didn't like Jian, I didn't like the big horned guy, but you know, so anyway, but I'm open to being convinced otherwise. - Okay, well, I, I don't know that I can and that's okay. I think we're allowed to have different, different favorite episodes. I did like there was this kind of a ship in a bottle episode, but it wasn't really in that, in that there's a lot of stuff that carried there. There's a lot of baggage carried in and there was just as much baggage carried out in that I think the only reason Mando did this is he needed money. He gave up most of all the money that Toro had on Tazooie. - It's a penalty, yeah. - He didn't get the bounty for Fennec Shann. So he's probably desperate to stay, to stay flying. So he, he goes through old, this is my belief that he goes through old contacts that he's worked with in the past and that's where he, he comes across- - Rand? - Yeah, Rand's our mal, yeah, Rand's our malc and decides to take a job for him kind of without knowing all the details. And honestly, it doesn't sound like Rand gave a lot of details. I think that I was just going to be busting someone out that was captured by another criminal organization, but it turns out that he's having to flop. It's going to involve his own ship, which has Groger on it, which he didn't expect. But the only reason they wanted to ship is because it's old enough to not be on the sensor grids, on the, on the, it's a ghost ship, basically. - Yeah. - And so they wanted for that also, because he is the Mandalorian, he is good at what he does. So yeah, he goes into this probably kind of desperate for money is more than anything else. And he finds himself in over his head because he's got to deal with a former love fur in Shion. - Yeah. - Let's not go too far into that. - Seriously. - Meets up with this gruff trigger band Mayfeld played by Bill Byrne, one of the best, guest stars they've had in the show, in my opinion, is Bill Byrne. - Who hates Star Wars? - Well, I think he's from around because they're like, they're, they're fattening his wallet. - Right. - Yeah, he's like, yes, this is it. It's that nerd she doesn't care for, but, but now he's in it. So yeah. - Yeah. - Great. Welcome to the fold, Bill Byrne. And then we got Clancy Brown as Berg, the Devaroni and the big, the big tough guy. So we got not only the Kurgan, but we've also got Mr. Krabs all rolled up in one big double horn dude. - Oh, that's right. He does voice Mr. Krabs. (laughing) I completely forgot about that. I think maybe part of the reason it's hard to kind of connect with this episode too, is that there's no like obvious callbacks to some of the other episodes, but there are, for the movies. - Okay, okay. - Until you recognize at one point, I don't know if you recognize, but I was like, oh, that's a Twilight, right? And so that's from Jabba's. - Yes. - The waves and so forth. And then I was wondering, I was gonna ask the, the devil guy, right? - Yeah. - Wasn't there a devil guy in the cantina scene? - Exactly. - Oh, that's right, there was. - Yeah, so I was thinking that was a callback to that. I didn't know if they were supposed to be the same species, but- - Yes, they are. - But there's no like, real big boom. You automatically really see these callbacks and make the connection. - We had a mouse droid. - Oh, that's right. - Oh, that's right. - Like there's only one of them. - And one other thing, the new republic trooper, who is the only human on board, the ship that is staffing the ship, has, I think Mayfield actually remarks on his boots, his shoes. There are, I think there are, there are surplus stormtrooper boots, quite honestly, that have been used by the new republic. Fun little Easter egg, Matt Lancer, who plays that new republic soldier, is also the voice of Anakin in Clone Wars and other animated properties. - That was Matt Lancer? - Yes. - Wow, I did not know that. He's from Ohio, isn't he? - I think so. - Oh yeah, I think you think I read that in the bio and I was like, whoop, whoop, yeah, go Ohio, yeah. - Yeah, so while I agree, there's not a whole lot of callbacks to the previous films and then really the only callback to the previous episodes is what I mentioned about, mention what was unsaid. You know, like the man that's probably hurting for cash. - Right. - But zero also finds the hollow transmission from beef cargo and realizes that, oh, maybe there's something else that's more valuable here. We get Bill Burr calling Mando a gun gun. He's like, why don't you take the helmet off? I bet you're a gun gun. - Oh, that could be, yeah, that was definitely a callback. - Well, yeah, a sad one. - Don't wanna see, say you face, use a face. - Oh gosh. - Yeah, not my favorite. - Yeah, I mean, it's fair. I get it, there's a lot of fighting in this one, as you said. - It's not my favorite either, Rebecca, honestly, but what I like about it is the different moments that Mando shows different parts of himself, so that he spares the life of the trooper. You know, he prevents them from killing the trooper. - Initially. - Right, initially. But then at the very end, I spoilers, but I know there's a warning, where he leaves the tracker beacon in Shin's pocket, knowing that there's gonna be somebody coming for him. And that's pretty cold right now, like, it's like, oh, too bad, you know, that's gonna happen. So I like that, because again, I keep coming back to this, Grogus is never watching this, you know, and he can be absorbing it. I mean, I guess he didn't know about the tracking beacon. But for me, the moment when he leaves that tracking beacon, I'm like, man, that is cold. - Yeah. - And then Mando's just all GTFO, just as the dust of the expons are coming in. - Right. - Oh, my me! - Ash is at the very moment. - Yeah. - Which the ex-waves are like, not that dude's probably fine. - Yeah, nothing to do with any of this. Yeah, yeah. And like, it took them 20 minutes to get to the prison ship, but they were there like instantly at Rand's place. - Yeah. So they would've had to reroute. So maybe like the original response going to the prison ship lost the signal when the razor press went to hyperspace. So when it came out of hyperspace, it was still, it was active on Chin. - Yeah, yeah. - And then they were able to like dispatch another squadron, but whoever the local squadron was, which, you know, as it turns out, is our people that we know on a meta-basis. - Yeah. Well, I think also-- - Yeah, I didn't like seeing the ex-wing, so that was-- - Oh, awesome, the ex-waves. - Yeah. - I think-- - And they're all business too when they show up. It's like, yep, okay. - Yeah. - They got a track and beaking. Oh, there's a station. It looks like they're launching a gunship. Okay. - Can't be found to blow this place. - Yeah. - These guys are pros. They're like this into the day. Another day out on the rim for them. - Yeah. It was very, a very empire-like response of the two republic. - Yeah, like, mm-hmm. - Not wrong. - Yeah, yeah, just like, let's shoot them down. That's fine. - Yeah. But kind of left wondering if part of the purpose of this episode is to get people thinking about Mando's past, right? Like, he didn't just exclusively work with the Mandalorian, but he's been out doing some questionable jobs and things like that. And so it's setting us up, I think, for future growth for him, right? And the relationship that he starts to build with the baby. And even people like Cara Doon, right? And eventually... Bo-ka-tah. (laughing) - I'm like, I'm falling to it. - So I start back? - Yeah, I'm kind of thinking, all series usually have some filler episodes, and I think this is one. But I also think of using it in a way to maybe hope people will start to think about. Like, oh, you know, Mando's really growing a lot through this process of taking care of the baby. - I get a feeling that his time spent with these criminals, you know, Sheon and everyone else, and Rand. I think that represents his toro-calican part of his life. (laughing) And he's maybe kind of left the covert for whatever reason to like, you know, try to find his way in the big galaxy. - Robs, Grigga. (laughing) - Mando-Laurian, Robs Grigga. (laughing) Good, good, good, good crimes. (laughing) - No, but I think, honestly, I think there's something to that, that this is him trying to find his way. So he falls in with this crowd, probably gets some notoriety and some money out of it, but probably realizes that he's very cryptic with some of his responses. Like, hey, Mando, remember what we did on this and such? And he said, I did what I had to do. And I think he feels like maybe kind of regrets it. And maybe at this point, he's got enough of a reputation that he's able to get in with the bounty hunter's guild, which has rules and has guy that had him like, this is how you act as a bounty hunter and you get paid for it. And it matches his skill set. It's maybe a bit more regimented than the freewheeling criminal stuff that he was doing with this other crew. It brought him more structure into his life. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, but it is interesting contrasting with the first three, which were more or less a unified arc, in a sense, in some ways, but then these three episodes, they connect, but they're not as unified as the first three. Like, I agree, I think this one stands out. It's kind of a weird bridge thing, but it doesn't tie as well. - Yeah, it does feel like this is kind of the hammock between the two temples of the first three episodes and the last two episodes in that it's, there's a fair bit of world building. There's a bit more background being filled in, but the stories in and of themselves, they're pretty encapsulated. And there's elements that carry over from episode to episode, but by and large, these three episodes are pretty self-contained. - Yeah. - More than the other ones. - Yeah, but I think they're setting up. - Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think there's a really important line here in this episode, and that's when, when, is that how they pronounce his name? - Yeah. - I would as chin. - Chin, chin. - Is it chin? - I mean, that's, that's the Chinese name. - It's spelled Q-I-N, so. - Yeah, Emperor Chin from the first real Chinese emperor, Dynasty. - Dynasty? - Yeah. - Wow. - Anyways, but he asked Mando at some point, aren't you a man of honor? - Yes. - And I think that's a really important line and makes Mando start thinking. - That might have saved everyone else's life that you just, you know, tossed him in a cell to look right, probably deal with them, I suppose, it's just blasting him. - Yeah. - He did go full Batman in this episode. - Yeah, I did. I love that scene, well, but where Mayfeld is standing in the hallway, and you just see the flashing light between him, and then you, every time you see Mando get in a little closer. - Oh, I liked that too. Yeah, I really liked that. It was a very horror film. - Oh, whoa. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, it was very, isn't there a scene in Alien? - Oh, my gosh. - That's an injury, yeah. - There must be. - There must be. - In one of those films, there must be something like that. - Yeah, I watch most of those movies with my eyes closed, but I'm sure they're not sure you're right. Those movies scared the shit out of me, man. Oh, my God, they still scare me to death. Yeah. - I think, I wanna say, Alien Resurrection is one of the few films that you actually walked out of the theater, because that was the swimming aliens. - I think that was swimming aliens. - Oh, yeah. - It's not down for that. (laughing) - You know, just stay out of the water. (laughing) - And space, apparently. - Yeah, and space. - Yeah, yeah. - Did anybody recognize Chin? I had to look him up. - I did not. - But he played, I don't know if you guys have watched Rings of Power, but he's erred up. - Oh. - Uh-uh. - Rings of Power, yeah. - We did watch a couple episodes in that. - We did watch Rings of Power, yes. I don't do anything. - Who is he in Rings of Power? - I don't do it. - He's a made up character. The one that is, he's the black elf who's kind of the love interest. - Oh, he's the, okay, okay, that really helped me. - Yes. - Oh, he's gorgeous. (laughing) - Not so much as a toilet, though. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's not so gorgeous in this episode, but that's Ishmael Cruz-Cardova, I think it is. - Yeah. - That's what I wrote down. - Yeah, it's, yeah. The Arendelle would have been later than this, but, yeah. - Yeah, but that helps place him. Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - The guy that plays Rand, what it's funny about is those, the people that are doing the toilets looks so different, and then Clancy Brown looks really different with all the prosthetics and stuff, and then the actor that plays Rand looks like that in everything I have ever seen him in, ever in life, ever. He just looks like that. - Yeah, he's the one that I was like, oh yeah, I know this guy. - Yeah, 'cause you've seen him in-- - Yeah, he was in Sons of Anarchy. - Sons of Anarchy, yes. He does look exactly the same. He just traded in his leather biker vest for a more Star Wars-y vest. - You know, he might as well be wearing the leather biker vest. I mean, that would have fit right into it. - It's not wrong. - Sons of Anarchy was about what it was about, right? Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Sons of Alvarana. - It's just funny. - Yeah, it's like the other. - The others look so different that we can't even really recognize them. And then, yeah, this guy's pretty much, yeah. - He brought the same sort of at ease with being lawless, that his character on Sons of Anarchy kind of did. And he kind of had to have that kind of bit of a swagger. But I really enjoyed what he did in this episode. Clearly he didn't care who came back and who didn't all it really matters. - That was the no one and he's fine with it. - Was that chin came back and that was about it. And he's like, "No questions at me, right? "No questions asked." - Well, fine. - You know, I was wondering, I'm interested to see what you all think. You know, Mando and drops off. I did look through my notes. I did write down Quinn. So I'm wondering if that's what they, how they pronounced it, it doesn't matter. Quinn Chin, Chin is my first inclination because it's the Chinese way. - Yeah, I think they won't Quinn during the episode. - Yeah, do you think that Mando planted the tracker on him in, I was telling Rebecca before we started when this episode first started, you know, and we see Mando's ship. I was like, "Oh, it's the Falcon crest." (laughing) - Amazing. - Wrong, wrong, wrong. - That's dating us, Tori. - Oh, totally sure. - But when, do you think he planted that tracker on Quinn in the razor crest or do you think? Rand says to him, "Just like the good old days." And that made me wonder if Mando kind of thought, this guy's gonna double cross me and then he plants the tracker on Quinn because it's beeping, right, when Quinn finds it. - Yeah, the whole time. Yeah, it's been active ever since. - Yeah. - Yeah, why wouldn't he have heard it before? So I'm, - Oh, good point. - Mando somehow slipped it on him after realizing yes, for sure. - Just before he pushed him off the crest. - Yeah, I think there is a moment when he's saying goodbye, I think he does lean, like reach out to Quinn, I wanna say. - Yeah, as he's having him, you know, debark from the razor crest. Do you think it happens at that point? I could see that. - Maybe it was then. - It would be, because that's a lot less opportunity for Quinn to spot that it's been planted on him. I think you're right. It might be, just as he's leaving a razor crest, Mando is able to plant it on him. And then he just, okay, that's it. I'm out of here, see ya. But then it's an even colder, you know, attitude for Mando to have, like that means he planned it. You know, it wasn't, I liked it better when it was something that Rand said, and then Mando was like, oh, he's gonna double cross me and then he plants it. But that's what I'm thinking. - Yeah, I get a feeling those thoughts may have occurred to Mando before Rand expressed it to all of us as viewers. - Yeah, agreed. I mean, this whole thing, the whole crew double crossed him, right? - Yeah. - He's gotta be, he's gotta be, it's all feeling pretty sus, but I think that's it. - Yeah, Bill Burr dropped the baby. You know, that's not, that's unforgivable. - Not cool, not cool, Bill Burr. Not cool, not cool, not a pet. - I do love, oh, speaking of callbacks, we had a one heck of a good one as a Mayfeld is bantering with Mando and takes a dig at Mayfeld having good aim. And is like, hey, I wasn't a strong trooper. - Oh, yes, yes. - So yeah, that was a nice, nice call back. - Yeah, yeah. - That's good. I've already said that. - So if this wasn't people's favorite episodes, I'm cool with that. - Yeah. - I mean, I get it. It's not one of my favorite, either. - But you've given me, I appreciate the input because you've pointed out some things that I missed. And I think it's not, it's still not gonna be my favorite. I think I've gained some appreciation for some subtleties. - Yes, I'm definitely more character development and less fighting to feel that. It was a lot of hand in hand. - We had, we had droid blood. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, when that one, yeah, the one century or robot gets his arm ripped off by a guy. - We didn't really take much about zero other than Rebecca saying she really liked it. - Right, yeah. - He was real hot like for me. - Yeah, he was. - I liked his little bug like movements. - Yeah, yeah. - I liked how you boasted about his capabilities. - Mm hmm. - Yes, I am completely superior. - Yes, and just started ragging on the razor crest. - These 14 things are all bad. - Yeah, this is no good. This is no good. - Yeah. - And he's not the first droid with a British accent, you know, it's a good crowd work there. - But I'm happy that someone who's kind of a nerd icon, like Richard Ayawade gets to be a voice in this. - That was cool. - I always want to know the backstory for that is like, well, is it a case of telling his agent, look, anything Star Wars comes up, I want to know. I want to get part of it. Or specifically directing. - I will do anything. - Yes, yeah, I would like to know, you know, is it a case where he met someone I think I mentioned and tried to put that, had a word put it in for him. You know, I do want to know the backstory for that. - Yeah, that'd be cool. - Because they're like a secret to him. - Celebrity list of like everyone who wants to be in Star Wars, like Daniel Craig. And like, floating just goes through the list. - Yeah, it's out of the ties. - Look who's got here. - Yeah. - Well, wasn't that Daniel Craig in one of the last? - Yeah, he was a first-order trooper. - Yeah. - Oh my gosh. - Yeah, he gets, he gets a Jedi mind-tracked, I think. - That's right, that's right. Rey does that. - Weren't the good eye mind tricks him? - That's awesome. - Weren't the princess troopers as well? - Oh heck, I can't remember that. - I think Harry and William were- - Gosh. - Were they villains or stormtroopers? I think so. - Yeah. - I will have to look that one up. - Right. - Wow. - And then what's the little story about in the attack of the clones, I think during the big fight on Geonosis that the Backstreet Boys were in the background and got blown up, I don't remember. - Or, I could be getting details wrong with that, but that's like a legendary story. That the Backstreet Boys or some other boy band wanted to be Jedi's and they got, you know, sort of stuck in the background and blown up. - That's amazing. That's funny. - Well, of course Simon Pegg. Simon Pegg. - Mm-hmm, Nick Frost. - Cool. Well, I think I've hit everything I wanted to hit. - Mm-hmm, yeah, again, this is the hammock before the next tent pole and what a final two episodes we have to look forward to. - Yeah, looking forward to it. - Can't wait. - So, excellent. Well, I guess the only thing left to say is, this is the way. - This is the way. - Nice. (laughing) - That's perfect, Tori. That should close it. - Yeah, 'cause she says that, like, the stuff that she was doing after one moment. - We're gonna cut the microphone. - No problem, good time for a sip of wine. - I'm trying to go slow 'cause I haven't really eaten much today. (laughing) - I just ate, I just ate big time, so drink away. (laughing) - Okay, all right, Jeff, we'll be right back. - Yeah, no worries. - And you're just tired. - Oh no. - I felt so sad about the, when I was listening to the one you edited, Tori, that we could hear the dog, so we're trying to, like, cut the microphone, so you can't, we don't have the dogs in there. I'm so sorry. - No, that's what, I was gonna put in the little show description for that one. I'm like, you know, Nancy and Jeff and Zeb. (laughing) - And Zeb, and if you can figure out where that name comes from as a Star Wars fan, then, so all three of our dogs are Star Wars names. - Oh really? - Awesome. - Yeah, so, Zeb is Garazebulous from Rebels. - Rebels. - Rebels. And then Jin is Jin Erso, and Ray is Ray. - Right, nice. - So, yeah, yeah, so we named Zeb after that character because he has the same kind of, like, coat, is, he has that kind of brindle coat that that species has, so. - Nice. - I was super excited when they brought Zeb into live action. - I know, Jeff and I-- (laughing) - We love Zeb, yay! - Yeah, yeah, it was amazing. And why don't you-- - Did he show up in BoboFet? - Yeah, I think it was BoboFet, wasn't it? It wasn't, I know, it was a Soka. - Yeah, it was a Soka one. - Yeah, 'cause he was in the group with all the fighters. - The squadron ready room. - Squadron ready room, yeah. - Okay. - Oh my gosh, he's hard for me to get him straight. - I know, the only reason I do about Zeb is 'cause it's our dog's nation. - Yeah, good, yeah, that's a good reason. Go to beta. (laughing) - I wouldn't know. (laughing) It's really funny that, and sometimes I'll, like, when I teach my classes, I'll do a, like, you know, here's who I am, here's in my family, or whatever, and I always see them have all the animals. And sometimes students will guess, you know, they'll be a fan, and they'll see all the three names, and they'll raise their hand, and they'll say, "Um, this is your dog's name after Star Wars," and they'll say, "Yeah, yeah, I better work." - Absolutely, so now you know how cool I am. (laughing) - It's a cool thing for me. (dramatic music) - The Wallowing in the Shallows is created and produced by the both of us, edited by Mo. Shout out to our special guests, Nancy and Jeff Teteric. Soundtrack for the Wallowing in the Shallows, the Mandalorian season one, is Star Wars-style battle music by Luis Humanoid, available on Pixabay.com. You can send us feedback at whichtvpod@gmail.com. That's W-I-T-S-T-V-P-O-D@gmail.com. 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