Rebecca and Tori chat about Teach/Corrupt. We bemoan the fact that we still don't know what happened on Brendok and discuss possible paths the show is going to take.
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WITS chats The Acolyte | Season 1 Episode 6
(upbeat music) (dramatic music) - Welcome to a special Friday edition of "Wallowing in the Shallows," the podcast that skirts the perilous drop off of a deep dive into television and movies. We are academic nerds aspiring to become TV and movie geeks. There are no spoiler guards in the shallows, so listen at your own risk. This week, join us for a wallow in the alkalite season one. (upbeat music) - Hey, hello peeps. Welcome to "Wallowing in the Shallows," this is Tori. - And this is Rebecca. And today we are talking about the alkalite season one episode six, teach slash corrupt. - Yeah. - Yeah. (laughs) - It's like when I saw that, I was like, well, is Saul gonna start teaching me and the chimer is gonna start corrupting OSHA? So this could actually apply, I think, to either the twins or to the two masters. - And I think it is even possible. It's chimer who's teaching and Saul is drafting. (both laughing) - I don't know, you know, there were some pieces of this episode that I really liked. And there were other times when I just wanted to punch the television 'cause I was like, "Oh, come on, not one more delay" in-- (both laughing) - So I thought of you and us. - I thought of you and that scene, right? And just when the ship powers up, I'm like, Rebecca's gonna be pissed. - Flip her out. (both laughing) - Yes, but I do think we got some very interesting information. And so I am looking forward to talking about it. I didn't like this episode as much as the previous one. And part of me is like, "Oh, come on." That you can only dangle this carrot for so long. But anyway, let's get to it. - So the first scene we see OSHA waking up in a cave. - Yes, that has a jacuzzi. (both laughing) - You know, at first when she walked outside, I was like, "Is that the planet Luke was on?" You know, in episode eight. - Do you remember anything about that planet having this looking like it had some sort of mining operation at some point? - No, and I was watching a screen crush on YouTube. And while I don't remember a lot of what he said because I was watching it very late at night and I kept those enough, he said he thought the same thing at first, but he's pretty sure it's not. - Okay, okay. 'Cause there definitely seemed to be indications that this is a planet that has some of that. Oh, shoot. Starts with a sea. Coradite or whatever the helmet is made out of. - I haven't written down kartosis. - Kortosis. Kortosis, thank you. - Uh-huh. - 'Cause it did seem like there was a vein of Kortosis in the last-- - Yes, yes. - So-- - Yeah, and I don't remember seeing that on the planet Luke was on. - Yeah, yeah. Of course, from the outside, looks totally, doesn't look like it, stuff was mined there. But, so interesting. Yes, certainly some idyllic aspects of this little haven that-- - Sure. - What are we gonna call, just chimer? We gonna call him chimer? - I'm just gonna call him chimer. - Okay, I agree. So, chimer left her an outfit. She's on an island, looks pretty remote. We're telling it's an unknown planet. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And my next line in my notes is, are we going to get some answers? (laughing) Mixed bag on that. - Yeah, it's a whole lot of talking in this episode. Could have had a few more answers. - Yes, yes. - I do remember thinking when Meg got up and she sniffs that one bottle, then starts drinking out of it. I'm like, why? - Yeah. - We don't know what's in that bottle. Even if it doesn't have a smell. - Yeah, agreed, agreed, because clearly, I mean, chimer, whether he's teaching her or corrupting her, he is definitely going with her. - Oh, for sure. - He is using his words to seduce her and to confuse her. - Yes, yes. Agreed and interesting. This must be a very different tutelage than with Meg because Meg never even knew what he looked like. Let alone saw him buff in the blue lagoon. - Yeah, he was awful. Monty man. - Yeah. - I was wondering if Osha was his target along? - He could sense how strong she was in the force. - Maybe. - I don't know. - And had the strong emotional component as well, which would allow her to tap into the dark part easier. Could be right. - Sure, the twin switched identities at some point. And Osha is really May and May is really Osha. - I don't know. I don't know what the hell's going on. - So a soul calls emergency code zero, which apparently means zero people survived. Whole team's dead. - Yeah. - Pretty severe. Yeah, this is bad news. - It sure is. It sure is. What the hell kind of name is Mog? - I don't know. - I'm like, man, come on, people screaming. - I think there's like a Star Wars name generator online and I'm wondering if they're just using it. (laughing) - Good question. - But anyways, what did you think of those weird, I call them space puffins? - Oh, yeah, with kind of anteater noses. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, I don't know if that was supposed to be trying to tell us something or if people who are really good with creatures, remember them from some other planet that they're a hint, there seem to be a little family, some nuzzling going on at some point. I don't know, I mean, they were fine. I don't think I picked up any deeper meaning. How about you? - Well, I didn't, but the guy on screen crush whose name I can't remember, but I think his dog's name is Doug. - Nice. (laughing) - He said he, one of the people that evidently foul us in Twitter are ex, formerly known as Twitter, said they look like really small versions of that creature that Luke got the milk from in episode eight, but it was really big, it was honking big. - Yeah, these looked like some of them were adults and they weren't gonna get any bigger. - Yeah, 'cause there was a little wee baby. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. Seemed to be with its parents. - Yeah, I mean, I could see some similarities and so this person on X said he thought maybe they were supposed to be in the same, he said species, but I would say, like in the same genus maybe, but maybe not the same species or some species. - Well, it's all very interesting. - It'd be interesting if it's an indicator that Chimer's intents are less ominous than we make them. I mean, clearly, okay, evidence against him. He's killed a bunch of Jedi. However, his premise is the existence of the Jedi inhibits his own existence, something that kind of echoes back to the coven, right? - Right. - Persecuted, maligned, marginalized. - Yeah. - What do you do when you're in a corner? - I don't know, I mean, I do think he's, I think it's quite clear he's manipulating OSHA, but is he lying to her? - Well, no. - Maybe not. - No, because when he talks about these emotions, those strong emotions that can also connect her to the Force, that's a fact. - Yep. - But he's only given her half the story, right? Not saying that when you give into all of those emotions that you really kind of become quite selfish, narcissistic, self-serve-- - And apparently hot. - And apparently smoking hot, yeah. (laughing) Yeah. And so he's, it's half the truth. He's not lying to her. He's just not telling her everything. - Mm-hmm. Speaking of his hotness, so Palpatine, right? I think back to Palpatine. I'm trying to think, okay, so he drops this major bomb that he was a youngling, he was trained as a Jedi, but it's just been a long time. - Right. - So we have this sort of, how long has Kymer been around? - Right. - And how does he look so good? And so I'm thinking about Palpatine, right? We see him both look kind of old, but stately, as a senator. - Right. - But then when he puts on his little get-up, and he looks all decrepit, but fully in the dark side, maybe this is his normal face. I don't know, does he have some sort of power to look differently than he is? - Palpatine? - Palpatine. - I don't think so. - Do you know what I'm talking about? I mean, he is the same guy who's the emperor, right? - Right. - Yeah. - And when he's the emperor, he looks all, you know, he wears his hood and his face is all scary looking. - Well, he looks like his friend. - He looks like a scary looking after he's in that fight with Samuel Jackson's character. Before then, his face is perfectly Palpatine, and he just wears the hood and his face is in shadows, but it's after that fight with Sam Jackson's character that he gets kind of blasted with some of his own energy, he gets reflected back on him, and that's what scars his face. - But then doesn't he go back by episode five to looking? - No. - Oh, he never looks normal again. - He never looks normal again. - Okay, all right. Well, that was my only case of trying to think of somebody. I mean, clearly other species live longer, right? So maybe he's not human. I guess that's a possibility. - Sure, sure. Yeah, it just kind of looks human doesn't mean he is human. - Yeah, yeah. So I'm very intrigued by that. And of course, I have, you know, we've got a lot of Vanessa in this episode who has been around for a while and seems very interesting that maybe she could have been the person that with her laser whip gave him the scar. If she was the one that metaphorically stabbed him in the back and actually whipped him in the back. - Yeah, that would be pretty interesting. - Yeah, because she seems to know what's up. And she might have her suspicions about who's behind this. - Yeah, yeah. I think that's probably wrecked. The sky on screen crush. And again, I can't remember his name. I've been trying to find it here. But he thinks that Kymer is Darth Plagueis who trained Palpatine. And Darth Plagueis was mentioned in Star Wars episode three, Revenge of the Sith. And I'm reading this on screen rant. It says here that one of the most skilled Sith lords of all time, Darth Plagueis, is famed for rediscovering the forgotten power of essence transfer, the key to immortality. And he said he'd been around for a long time. - Sure did. - So I don't know. And screen rant says Darth Plagueis could be explored in the acolyte. - Okay, so Darth Plagueis trained Palpatine. - Yes, so he was this master. - And then did Palpatine eventually kill Plagueis? - Well, he must have. - To gain power, to become the one who has his own. There's only one master, one main Sith Lord, and then their apprentice. So, you know, one of his apprentices was Raptor, I'm forgetting all my Star Wars characters at the moment. Sauron's (laughs) - Okay, my friend Sauron, in Lord of the Rings. - Oh! - Christopher. - Oh my God. - I should go on a street last night. That's what I was thinking, but I can't remember last time. But anyways, that guy was Palpatine's apprentice, but he was-- - Who did you? - Duke who? - Duke who, thank you, Jesus. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Count Duke who was looking for his own apprentice and was saying, you know, I mean, he even tried to draft Obi-Wan, like we can overthrow the master and we can rule the galaxy. So that seems to be an ongoing thing, right? You have an apprentice, but then your apprentice is always trying to overthrow you and looking for a pupil. - Keeps you on your toes. - Yeah. - You're always looking over your shoulder. It's a good thing. - Well, this obviously would be very bad news for OSHA, right, she's not, she cannot be Palpatine. - No, no. - Unless she really is able to do some crazy changing up her appearance. - Yeah. - So, hmm, well, it's all very interesting and it is interesting to me again that by episodes one, two and three, the Sith haven't been heard from in, you know, a thousand years or whatever. So does this story never get out? Does this, and it could be totally covered up? - Yeah. - Or is Kimer not Sith? Is this something else? - I think the Jedi are covered up. - Covering it up. - I think this whole situation is gonna be a big food bar. - Well, and they're about to get audited, right? So that lends credence to your belief there that they have very good reason to cover it up because they're not to be audited by the IRS. (laughing) - Exactly, exactly. - Okay, okay. Well, I'd believe it. And what great Easter eggs for those that really are steeped in that Sith lore, you know? - Yeah. I know it makes me wanna read stuff about it. - Yeah, kind of ticks me off a little bit because I was a sure that no, not. (laughing) But that's okay. I will let that go. (laughing) - You know, you've mentioned emergency code zero already. And so, you know, May and Saul are on the ship and Basil's skittering around sniffing. (laughing) - And does seem, I gotta say this. I'm not sure Basil trusts either of them. - Well, I don't know. It looks like he ends up telling Saul that that's May and not, and not OSHA. - One, how did he tell him? Because they don't speak the same language. And two, I think Saul figures it out. I don't think Saul needs Basil. I think somehow May gives herself away when she's talking. And Saul's like, "Oh my gosh, I've got the wrong twin." - Well, maybe it was a combination of things, but it was just, it suggests that Basil told him because he's right behind him. - He's right behind him. But why didn't Basil get to Saul sooner? I mean, if that is the case, then what's Basil doing on his own secret? (laughing) - I was trying to figure out what he was doing with Pip. - Yeah, none of this, I just don't, Basil did not go directly to Saul. I think that we can say. And they were not next to each other. It wasn't like he was with May the entire time. So Basil didn't have a chance. I don't know. I don't really know what's going on with Basil. (laughing) Basil really went on his own mission and it was impossible to take May down his stuff, which basically seemed like a mosquito attack. Annoying, but not deadly. So anyway, it'd be interesting to have a little more information on Basil, but yes, so I don't know. And maybe it was the Pip stuff that got Saul to it because she says, "I've always been like this." I don't know, maybe there was something in how she was treating Pip or if he noticed that Pip had a factory reset, I think Saul figured it out without Basil, but-- - Or maybe. - Basil was standing right by him. - Maybe Osha didn't really pick up that connection with droids until she started hanging out with the Jedi because I don't, "Oh, were there droids on their planet?" (clock ticking) - I don't remember, I don't remember. But anyway, I don't know if it's a major point or not. Maybe we'll find out, but I still think maybe Saul was starting to get suspicious then. - But Basil confirmed. - Basil confirmed. - Yeah, and I was still kind of on this thing about why Saul couldn't sense that that was May and not Osha. - Yeah. - Somebody explains it at some point, or maybe it was on screen crush. - I sure don't feel it's been explained. - Well, now let me see, I'm gonna probably totally butcher this and get it wrong. (laughs) But something that about, you can sense power, but not necessarily that the power doesn't tell you who the individual is. I think that's kind of what it was. - Okay. Well, I just-- - I'll have to look it up again, 'cause that was still bugging me. - Yeah, it's still bugging me. - Come on. I mean, she's not even that didn't really like Osha. - No, no, and I'm just sorry. Their braids were perfectly the same length and her just whipping that saber made her indistinguishable from Osha. They haven't been together for over a decade and all of their mannerisms are still the same to fool someone. - Right. - I don't know. - I just, was it yesterday? Might've been Tuesday. It doesn't matter when I watched this. I was watching this show and they, it was all about twin studies. And I didn't watch it because of the alkalite. And I was like, "Oh." And thinking, "Oh, I should learn more about twins because of the alkalite." It just happened to be on this program I was watching. And specifically about twins raised apart and meet at later ages, they actually can be incredibly difficult to tell apart because they do have the same mannerisms. - Okay. Okay, well, all right. - You would just think if anybody could pick up on subtle differences, it would be. - A Jedi. - Sol, who is a super Jedi, right? - Well, so everybody keeps implying. - No, everybody keeps saying. - But we have no evidence of it yet. - It's true. And now he has yet another horrible debacle to torture him over the times. - Yeah. - The floss of Jackie and Yord and so. - Yeah, they've got it explaining in the next episode because it is old. - Oh, it's old. - Come the fuck on already. - Yeah, the number of times I have written like start talking soul, you know? - Yeah. - Spill it soul, you know? - Yeah. - Yeah. You know, one of the things that popped into my head is I was watching this episode. And I'm not sure why it popped into my head. It might've been something Bernestra said or didn't say or how she did it react. You know how Yoda could sense disturbances in the force? - Yes. - I wonder when all those Jedi are killed, why nobody sensed it in, you know, on the Jedi council. - That is a great question, right? Because like when Alderaan was destroyed, now granted that was like millions of people. - Right. - But yeah, you would think that many Jedi dying would at least to the more sensitive, have triggered something. That's a really good question. Even if they don't know exactly what it is, just be like, holy crap, something bad just is going down right now. - Exactly, exactly. - Yeah, because you know Yoda senses it, when Order 66 is given and Jedi start dying, but maybe it has to be a critical number to be able to sense it. But that doesn't really make sense to me either. - Really good question. Really good question, the Jedi don't seem as on top of their game as they should be. And this Bernestra has been at it for a while. Like is she like 400 years old? - She's old, yeah, she's, I don't know exactly how old, but she's, yeah, I've been around for a while. - Yeah. - And she, and then I do remember this from the screen crush video that I watched. He was saying, you know, she first shows up in comics, but she isn't at first a Jedi. She is a force user, but she's, they have a word for it, but they're kind of like out exploring it on their own. And so it takes her a while to come to the Jedi. So it almost seems like people that are kind of out there exploring it on their own, it would be a really easy step over to the dark side, right? - Right. - So it made me wonder has Bernestra explored the dark side and maybe we could get some bomb dropped about her? - Let me drop a little info I learned from the Children of the Watch podcast I've mentioned before, I really like those guys. They are so knowledgeable. They were talking about, you know the part where the guys like, oh, well, you get sick when you travel, right? - Yes, yes. - And she was like, I don't get sick. It's uncomfortable. - Yes. - So those guys were saying that that's a huge nod to that in the books, they just said the books. So they're, I don't know, I'm sorry. I don't know which books that in the books, Bernestra, when she does that whatever deep space or hyperspace travel, she has like visions. And one of these visions is what back in the day, not recently, but is what told her to make the whip, the laser whip. And they said that the laser whip is often more a Sith type weapon than a Jedi type weapon. So that would support, I think, her, you know, what you're saying about her not starting out as a Jedi, you know, just kind of curious. And she keeps saying this whole something to balance the scales, right, when this was first. She knows more than she's letting on. And we didn't get any indication of any of this, these hyperspace visions in this episode, but it'd be interesting if she did have one. So I just, that was just interesting. You get sick, she's like, I don't get sick. It's uncomfortable. (laughs) Yeah, that whip was cool. It was, it really was, that is a neat thing now. And I mean, you know, Osha, when she sees Kimer's wound, she's like, that's a saber wound, right? But it's like not, it's, it looks like a whip wound, right? I mean, and I don't think this unequivocally makes Vanessa evil. You know, maybe they got in a fight or something. And Kimer thought she was on his side. Maybe thought she also wanted to break away from some of these Jedi ways. And she was like, oh, oh, yeah, tagged ya, you know. I don't, I don't know, clearly, I mean, this episode was leading us down to Vanessa knows more and is probably evil. I felt like we were kind of getting pushed in that direction. Now, when that happened with Kimer, it was Kimer was the guy. So maybe this is another obvious, it is Finestra, who either trained Kimer or whatever else or red herring. Yeah. I mean, the timing, you think that at least she knew him, right? She at least was at the academy probably when he was. If nothing else. Yeah, it's kind of fascinating that this whole series really is kind of making you question the Jedi. And I think I was talking about it a couple of episodes ago, right? I was starting to think that I'm not on the Jedi bandwagon, right? Like everything the Jedi do is all hunky-dory and everything the Sith do is inherently bad. So I think they're deliberately leading us down this garden path, but to what end at the moment is still a little unclear to me. Right, Rey and court may have a point, right? And the way that the Jedi is sort of closing ranks and is not happy about this oversight and everything makes you think they do have some stuff to hide, you know? And power is corrupting, right? I mean, they are so powerful. You can't begrudge them for getting big heads. I mean, they're just that, that is, it's too much power. Yeah. Okay, do you think, I'll just ask this really quickly, do you think PIP is totally gone? Do you think the factory reset, there's no backup? You think OSHA's PIP is- It was interesting. And I of course noticed that his lights went red and thought, uh-oh, in my head, not even really putting it together that. Have you seen Obi-Wan? Is that the one where little Leia is in it? Yes. Then yes. Remember she had her little droid, Lola? Oh, yes. And then when, what's her face got a hold of it? His little eyes, or her little eyes, or it's little eyes went red, when it went evil. And evidently there's a point where C-3PO, something that happens to him too, and his eyes go red, and he kind of becomes evil. So. There's precedent. And I would have to imagine that OSHA had made quite a few programming changes to PIP that were lost. So I think unless OSHA gets it back, and can re-establish those programs that PIP is lost, what do you think? Well, I don't know, I don't know. And I guess maybe I don't even know why I care, but I can't care. Because I think OSHA will care, you know? But OSHA thought she had sacrificed PIP completely. OSHA's not expecting to ever see PIP again. Right. No, I was just curious. I was just curious. And the, you know, I guess it is possible that Sol noticed something about PIP that keyed him off as well. Like you say with the lights or whatever. Yeah. That could be, it could have been in just a bunch of little breadcrumbs, right? That helped him put it all together, and Basil was the last crumb. Yes, yes. So funny that it's like a moment after Sol goes into hyperspace, the other ship arrives at us. Oh, Jedi. And at first I was like, oh my gosh, rescue mission. Nobody's left to find, but they were able to see what happened. And I feel like it's possible that Vanessa might even be able to tell its climber from how the damage is done. Hmm. Maybe. Maybe knows his work. That could be. We better find out next freaking episode. Oh my gosh, two episodes left, right? Yeah, I was a lot, a lot of ground they got to cover. It is a lot of ground they have to cover. I was thinking when the Jedi got, when the rescue Jedi got to Kofar, Kofar, and the Umbermas had attacked his village, I'm like, okay, so there's a little more to these Umbermas. We were led to believe in earlier episodes. Are these like carnivorous boughs or something? Why would they take a village? Yeah. And if this is a known thing on this planet, I'm really surprised that the people of the town are not more conversant in the habits of this creature, right? Like, oh gosh, we see all the swollen trees. There's going to be an Umbermas. Okay, we got to get into our underground bunker for two days or whatever. Just little surprising that they're completely caught unaware by these Umbermas. Yeah. Or, I mean, if you know they're carnivorous moss and then you see them wrapped around these trees, tell them a little mothers. Yeah. I don't get that. Yeah. Yeah, I still don't think Umbermas should be able to take out the whole thing of Jedi. And obviously they find the bodies. They know that it wasn't a Umbermas attack that did this. But at least when Renestra is like, you know, we got to prepare the bodies for burial. I was like, thank you. Thank you for not leaving those Jedi just laying there in the woods. Yeah. Yeah, that was, that was good. Good job, Renestra. So Imer says, I still, the coven is so, I know I'm grasping at straws 'cause I so wanted mother coral to be something. But Imer says he wants the power of two. And that's directly with that chant, the power of one, the power of two, the power of many. So I don't know. I felt like there was some coven talk there. Yeah, it does hark back to that. And it makes you wonder, of course, is he just looking for a pupil or does he want to be able to manipulate the power of the dyad that is OSHA and May? Yeah, I'm still not entirely convinced that he is pure Sith. Now he may be Sith, but I think he doesn't want any rules. I think he wants his own thing. And so he keeps saying just an acolyte, but I like what you're saying. Maybe he wants both. Maybe he wants a whole coven of his own, you know. Yeah, lots of questions need to be answered. And more and more and more questions. Yeah, yeah. Oh, you know what I was saying? Somebody was explaining about not being able to tell who I did have it wrong. And it is kinder. Oh, because remember when he gets out of the jade pool. Yes. I was calling it. And he tells her that she's wondering how he can read her thoughts or read her mind. And he says he can't read minds, but anger be traced thoughts. I was totally wrong before, but I knew somebody had kind of addressed it. So maybe that's why Saul didn't pick up on May being, or May trying to be OSHA? Or maybe he does because she starts getting a little angry at some point, yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Okay. I remember that. Thank you for bringing that back, harkening that back. And he did also say that thing about, you think you felt Saul's power. That was yours, you know, like this sort of also a little bit of an inability to credit where the force is coming from, just feeling its presence, but maybe not exactly where it's emanating from. That was a little interesting. That might be a point where he was kind of lying to her and trying to, you know, make her think she was more powerful than she was. I don't know. I'm so confused right now. Yeah. Lots of confusion. Yeah. And I just feel like I'm wrong at every single turn. And here we have May shackled to the bench. And it's like, yes, let's talk. Let's find something out. Cut to the other twin. Yeah. You know? Yeah. The ship is moving. She has no choice but to listen. Exactly. And we do not see what's all the same. Yeah. Yeah. Tough. He was like, you're good to listen to me. And I'm like, well, of course she is, because you've got her down. Yeah. What else, what else is she going to do? Start singing loudly. Yeah. And she wants to, she wants to know. And okay. Now, this was Suss about Seoul. He says, I have been thinking about this the last 16 years if I had the opportunity to see you. Right. Right. Very suspicious that he knew she was alive. Yeah. Yeah. He's been lying a long time. Yes. So they're, what are they covering up? Yes. Yes. I, again, I've said it before, several times just recently in this episode, they better answer some of these damn questions in the next episode. Definitively. Yeah, we've, we've been strung along for too long without getting more information. I mean, the timer reveal was big. Okay. So I'll give them, I'll give them that. But there's just a lot that needs to get tied up. Yeah. And it will not be satisfying as a cliffhanger. We've got to, we've got to have a lot resolved. Yes. I mean, I've heard nothing, absolutely nothing about a season two. Yeah. So then after we fail to hear anything else about what's going on with Saul, though I really must say that even though I wish some writing was different, I do think the actor playing Saul is doing a fantastic job. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He can convey such anguish without saying a word. He's, he's very good. I'm very impressed with his work. Oh, yeah. So I just wanted to say that. Yeah. Okay. I don't have any qualms about the acting. I think everybody's done a good job, you know. Some, of course, better than others, but I, and I was, I'm overall happy with the storyline, but they are taking way too long to reveal some things. I think this probably shouldn't have been an eight episode series. Right. Right. Little too strung out. Yes. Yes. Well, then we've got to talk about this last scene. Okay. And very interesting. I mean, more evidence, right, that Kymer is telling the truth when we were younglings in the sensory deprivation, you know, really sounds like Kymer knows what goes down. He was probably there. And it just was probably like hundreds of years ago. And so his departure isn't known. And maybe he was even a thousand years ago, whatever, you know, the last time they really knew about Sith being around, I don't know, but holy cow, when you hear her breathing with the helmet on. Yeah. The Darth Vader. I mean, yeah. If that isn't a Sith call. Oh, yeah. Then I don't know what is. Exactly. I guess every helmet that you put on, if you're trending any way towards the dark side, you're going to sound like Darth Vader. I guess so. I guess that's just kind of how it works. I did make me kind of laugh though, I have to say. Yeah. Yeah. So it's so interesting. I mean, again, parts that I really liked. I think I liked the Osh, the May and soul stuff kind of last because I kept being like, "Come on, something happened, something happened." Whereas I felt like with OSHA and Kimer, things were happening. They weren't maybe the things that I exactly wanted answers to. And Vanessa's line was sort of somewhere in between. I felt like I was finding out more about her, but I'm like, "Well, what have you been this whole series?" Why weren't you on this mission? You know, get over your motion sickness and have joined them to confront this guy that you wooed it 100 years ago. (laughs) Yeah. Yeah. Which we don't know yet, but. Yeah, but he does say, you know, he got a scar by someone who threw him away. So it does look like the whip would leave that kind of mark. So it makes sense. I think you mentioned it earlier, right, that maybe Ernesto was his master. Could be master. I'm just not quite, because I could see him, a close friend as well, you know, could be thrown away by a close friend. I think you're probably right. I think it probably is. She had more power over him, but I don't think it completely closes the door to maybe he thought she'd go rogue with him. You know, he wanted it. I don't know. I have no idea. Obviously my hypotheses do not have a very good record as well. (laughs) Oh, it's going to be interesting to finally find out what the hell is really going on. Yeah, I hope they can land it. I hope they can land this crazy train because they really have. They've opened some interesting cans of worms. Yeah. But the worms are crawling out. And we're not actually getting them all back in there. I don't like that visual. (laughs) My bad. The barn war is why horses are getting a little too far away. That's better. I like that one better. Okay. Okay, understandable. Horses are much more pleasant. (laughs) Well, that's all I've got. Yeah, I don't have much else either. It was, I mean, I kind of anticipated that this was going to be a much more low-key episode than the last one since it was like, "Oh, so much happened in the last episode." Yes. So, but yeah, they got two episodes to land it. Yep. And we're waiting at the finish line. We're really hoping. Yep. We got to be seeing Carrie Ann again and-- Yes. Alnaca. Alnaca, Tobin. Mm-hmm. Corbin. Is it Tobin or Torbin? Borbin? I can not get that guy's name right. So Tobin is from Walking Dead. Okay. Okay, and on that note, all we got left to do is say goodbye. Thanks for listening, everybody. (dramatic music) Wallowing in the shallows is created and produced by the both of us, edited by Mo. The soundtrack for the Wallowing in the Shallows, The Accolite Season One, is Star Wars-style battle music by Luis Humanoid, available on Pixabay.com. You can send us feedback at whichtvpod@gmail.com. That's W-I-T-S-T-V-P-O-D at gmail.com. (dramatic music) (dramatic music) - Subscribe. - Then subscribe. - Then subscribe. - Subscribe. - Hit that subscribe button.