(upbeat music) (dramatic music) - Welcome to a special Monday edition of "Wallowing in the Shallows." The podcast that skirts the perilous drop-off of a deep dive into television and movies. We are academic nerds, aspiring to become TV and movie geeks. There are no spoiler guards in the shallows, so listen at your own risk. This week, join us for a wallow in the Mandalorian, season one, re-watch. (dramatic music) - Hey, hello, peeps. Welcome back to "Wallowing in the Shallows." This is Tori. - And this is Rebecca. And today we are talking about the Mandalorian, season one, episode one, chapter one, the Mandalorian. (laughs) - And two and three. - Oh, yeah, two and three. - Right, right, right. Should I go ahead and say those other two episode titles now? I will go ahead. I will go ahead. We will also be covering chapter two, "The Child," and chapter three, "The Sim." - And just as a reminder, this is not a spoiler-free zone. This is a spoiler-rich zone. So if you haven't seen the Mandalorian at all, you should probably turn this podcast off if you don't want to be spoiled. And we're super excited. Are we excited, Rebecca? We're excited because we have special guests today. - We do. We have Jeff and Nancy. - Hello. - How are you today? - I'm excited to be here. - We're very, very good, very thankful to be here. - Yay, yay, yay. I asked you both to be on there, 'cause I'm assuming you know more about Star Wars lore than I do. And if not, that's cool, we'll all learn together. - We are both older than Star Wars, so. - Well, me too. I can't remember when-- - Yeah, I ask you to say. - Yeah, it came out in movie theaters. I remember that, so. But I'm still not an expert. I just know that they, for the most part, entertain me, and that's what I want. I want to be entertained. So-- - And I grew up with them. - Yeah, yeah. It's always weird to me when people say they didn't watch Star Wars, or they say they're not interested in it. I'm like, "What's the matter for you?" - Well, where were you in 1977? - Yeah, what were you watching? - Yeah. - Sesame Street. (laughing) But I watched them in theaters as soon as I could. So my order was a little screwed up because of when I came on the scene. But yeah, so Return of the Jedi was actually the first one I saw in the theater, but that was just 'cause I was kind of little. - Well, that's what's funniest. We were always watching interviews and things. And Pedro Pascal was apparently two years old when Star Wars came out, according to what he said. And then he's like, "I grew up with Star Wars." And I was like, "But you're two." (laughing) Can't decide if that's good parenting or bad parenting. (laughing) - All I can think about is Bane's speech from one of the Batman films. Like, I was bored to it. Like, we were there before you. (laughing) And you're the one getting the big bucks. You're the one who's on screen on, okay. Well, all right, point made, I suppose. Touche, Pedro Pascal, Touche. - Yeah, wow. Two years old, that's crazy to me. But yeah, it's always kind of funny. I think, you know, about my students now. And I'm like, some of them were born after the year 2000. And I'm like, wow. (laughing) Getting old now but don't actually exist. (laughing) - Yeah. So, all right. Well, let's get started. We generally kind of maybe start out in a kind of linear fashion, but we get off on tangents. We jump ahead and whatever happens happens. So, the first rule of wallowing in the shallows, there are no rules in wallowing. (laughing) - I can do that. - That is true. So, yeah, so episode one directed by Dave Filoni and written by John Favreau. Well, that guy's had quite the career. - Amazing. - Yeah, yeah. So, I still can't separate him from happy. - Happy Hogan and Iron Man films. - Thank you, Andrew. - Yeah, there was one point. And I can't remember which scene it was, but oh, I know which scene it was. And I'll get to it. But I was like, wow, I'm getting Marvel vibes here when the heavy metal Mandalorian is flying alongside. - Yep. - Yeah, that's a weird. - Yeah. - I gotta get me one of those. - Yeah, exactly. Exactly. All right, so, first episode. And we start with the Mandalorian on some cold planet. I still don't know what planet that is. - I just. - Oh heck, I literally looked it up just and it's ready for this. - Yeah, Keri, Keri on, I will find it in a moment. - I was a me, I'll pack it on. - Yeah, that's the ice plant, pack it on. - No, is that a new planet just for this show? 'Cause I've never heard of it. - Oh, yeah. - Okay. - Yeah, unless and I am absolutely not deeply steeped in like all the extended universe stuff, all the books, all the comics, everything like that. If a pack it on has existed before, this is the first time it's been in live action. - Okay, okay, okay. Have you seen the animated stuff, like Rebels and? - Yes. - Okay, okay. I've seen Clone Wars and I've seen Rebels and of course the Bad Batch. - Oh yeah. - I don't know what, I don't think she's seen the animated. - No, no, I haven't done the animated. - It's worth it, it is definitely worth your time. - Okay. - Because Filoni was Clone Wars. That was his baby, that's, he got that. Didn't he, after Lucas interviewed him after Filoni worked on Avatar, the last Airbender. And there's a great story that he tells about getting a call from Lucas's office. And he swears up and down that it was like someone from the SpongeBob production team that was trying to prank him. So he was just kind of playing to like, yeah, yeah, okay, you were George Lucas? Okay, yeah, sure, why would he want me? And just goes on about how, yeah, in fact, George Lucas really is looking seriously for you for this new animated series. And it's like, we're just not sure when we need to make sure that you're the guy. He's like, oh, oh, and it dawns over him. And he says, oh, I'm absolutely the guy. I'm making a Jedi costume in my garage right now. And he was almost convinced that they were gonna hang up on him after that. But yeah, he went in for the interview. This is all from like the 2000 visit, 2019 or 2022 celebration. - I think it was '22 celebration. - Yes, in Anaheim, where he's on stage giving the story, talking about how the first time he met George Lucas. And he was, I think mostly what he took from, he's like, well, I'm probably not gonna get the job. 'Cause it's George Lucas, and I'm just some slob who's working on some animated shows. But he was like convinced that when he went to line for Revenge of the Sith that he would have the best nerd cred of anyone in line 'cause he'd actually spoken with George Lucas. And he ended up getting the job like a few seconds later. - Wow, that's pretty amazing. Imagine that. - Yeah, and I know there's a lot of Clone Wars references. Like, and more things that led about Clone Wars, right? I mean, the only Mandalorian we'd really met was Boba Fett up to that point. And you get a lot of back history about the Mandalorians and the Clone Wars Becca, so. - Yeah, yeah. I didn't know much before that. - Yeah, that's where we find about Bo Katan Craz who takes part in future seasons of the Mandalorian. That's where we also meet Pray Vichla who was voiced by Jon Favreau. - Right. - And then in episode three of these episodes, we meet Paz Vichla, the heavy inventory Mando. He's also voiced by Jon Favreau. - Right, 'cause they're related in the-- - They must be, right? - Yeah, somehow. - Okay. - It's certainly the same clan. - Yeah. - Yeah, but what I love about the opening of the first episode is the silhouette that they established from the beginning of him walking towards that cantina is so iconic just with the shape of his body and the armor. And I call it a superfluous cape 'cause it doesn't do anything, just looks cool. - It does. - And that great music also, it was so fun to come back to this after, I don't know, since it came out and revisit. And I was like, oh yeah, I do love that music. - I just wonder how a musician or a composer even goes, hey, you know what? I think I'm gonna try this instrument because they look at me the sound because, I mean, I never really kind of heard that sound before. It reminded me a lot of like the first time I heard Dr. Who and what is that? The Thera something? - Thera man. - Chi yeah, it's very similar to that, yeah. And I was like, wow, how do you even like decide? I'm gonna use this instrument that nobody's ever really heard of and get this really cool sound. It's amazing to me. - Yeah, there's an entire series of behind-the-scenes specials on Disney Plus about the Mandalorian. And we watched, I think one, we watched part of one in preparation for this. And there's an entire episode that is devoted to Lydvigorns and how he crafted the music for the Mandalorian. So the answers are there. - Oh, I'll have to go look at that. - Did he write the mute for black sales? - That was Bear McCreary, who used the herdy-guirty degree effect. - Yeah, 'cause it's the same where it's an offbeat instrument that someone is using in a television or streaming series. Which I thought was really- - Yeah, black sales is a great opening. - Yes. - I've never seen that. - Oh my gosh. - Mm-hmm. - That's a separate podcast. - I'm making myself a note. - Yeah. - Black sales, and then also, I'm also gonna go ahead and so we're going on 10, just I'm gonna throw out. What we do in the shadows. - Yes, I've seen some of that. - Our flag means death. Must absolutely watch our flag means death. - With Tyka YT, is it? - Yes. - Yeah, yeah. - Who was involved in the Mandalorian as it happened? - Oh, good way to bring us back on track there, Jeff. - Perfect. - Yeah, excellent. I loved, also, how very early on, you know, they established Star Warsiness by throwing us into a bar scene. - Right, right. - Yep. - Full of other species. - Full of other species, which most of them I didn't recognize at all, so. - And a door that is clearly not safety, that has no safety measures, because it will cut you right in half. - Yes, OSHA from Coruscant has not made it out to the outer rim. - Exactly. - It's fine. - We lose a client here there, it's fine. - Which one, was that a quorum in the gut snapped in half? - That is a quorum, yes. - Yeah, which? - The squid face guy. - Yeah, but we didn't say that. That's animated, right? If first, or was it in? - No, they were first in Return of the Jedi. They were among Jabba's guards. - Oh, that's right. They're on the same planet as that Admiral Ackbar. - The Mon Calamari, you're correct. - Okay. I remember that animated episode. Zuh. - Yeah. - They're all there. I was just really proud of myself because I recognize Huttese. - Yeah, I'm like, "Yeah, you speak Huttese." - Nice! - What languages do you recognize? - Yeah, that's this. Yeah, that's all I recognize. So, what, okay. So, I just have like squid face cut, gets cut in half by the door, 'cause again, I don't know. (laughing) The species, the species. And now, and I was a little confused, 'cause of course I had the captions on. And a lot of times, I think they were just putting a species names up there instead of like character names. So like the blue guy, his name's not really Mithral, is it, is that the species? - Yeah, that's a species. Yeah, 'cause we watch with the captions as well for that exact reason so that we can pick up on, I'm sorry, please excuse us. Our two of our dogs are having a little wrestling match. - No worries. (laughing) (laughing) - Yeah, it's orcs. (laughing) They're playing. You gonna go back outside? Okay, come on. (laughing) Oh, there you go. No, go, go. Yay. (laughing) Got the bitches! What was this get over here? Jen, come on. Seriously. (laughing) Sorry about that. - No problem. (laughing) - You ran out of his anti-exactly mess. (laughing) - Oh! (laughing) (laughing) - So to get back on track, we were talking about watching with captions. And yes, we watch with the captions ourselves just so we can pick up on pronunciations or spellings or that sort of thing. And yeah, Mythrall is the dude species. The blue guy played by Horatio Sands, SNL alum. - Oh, really? - Yeah. - Oh, I hadn't caught that. - Oh, I didn't know that either. - That guy, I was like, if I was Mando, I think I would have been like, if you don't shut the fuck up, I'm like, punch you! He just would not stop talking. He's like, dude, shut up! - But I have some sympathy for that because that'd probably be me. I just be like, I've just been captured. And so I'm just gonna babble. Where's the restroom? Love your ship, blah blah blah. - And Mando says nothing. I mean, he is just the epitome of the strong silent type. You are not gonna get any small talk from this guy. - No, he's not having it. - You get the feeling that he's been through this so many times before. - Totally. And I'm always, I remember, I actually didn't see the series until season two was actually over. And then the reason I bought Disney is because I was spoiled for the last episode of season two. And I'm like, oh, I gotta go watch this series. So anyways, I was just, and I still am amazed. And Star Wars is really good at this 'cause they can do it with their droids and everything. At how much emotion and everything you can get from one of their actors that you can't see, their face at all, right? And they're really good about that with their droids. And I was just like, wow, how am I getting like, I'm feeling Mando's reactions and yet you can't see any facial reactions. I'm like, that's one of the brilliant things Star Wars has always been able to do. - And I think in the acting world, it's really undervalued. It's just sci-fi. - Yeah. - But yet we could feel his annoyance just by the set of his soldiers or the twitch of his head. That's pretty strong acting to do that. - Yeah, absolutely. - I just would like to mention how great it was coming back to this rewatch, like being reminded why the Mandalorian hates droids, but that gets introduced right away that he doesn't want the speeder with droids, even though he ends up in a bucket of bolts, you know? And so I really appreciated coming back to this and we're about to see Carl Weathers and this was the first time I'd done any watching since his passing in February. So that was kind of interesting as well. But yeah, so I did love seeing the, they're called speeders, right? Yeah, speeders, yep. - So I love seeing the two and just that piece of crap that they were on and the, what is it called? The Ravana, Ravanaq? - Yeah, whatever it is. - The water. - Yeah. - The big walrus critter. - Yeah. - And that's like the taxi that pulls up and you tell it to leave again, right? It doesn't even look like it's going to run. - Yeah. - Yeah. - It pulls up, stops and a plate falls off the bottom of it. - Perfect. (laughing) And so the, what's the name of the character that does the whistling? I forget. Oh, oh, oh, I thought we wrote it down. Yeah, a cool bass. So, cool bass, cool. Bazzi, yes. From, I don't know if it's the first, but it's one of the like callbacks to the first three movies, because that's the character that was doing the spying at Dr. by 94. 94. In Star Wars, I didn't even hope. So like when you see him and he rats out the Falcon to the Jordan troopers, that's that species. Oh, I didn't make that connection. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Playing his little fifth grade recorder. Yes. We all, we all, I literally had one of those in fifth grade. Yes. We had to teach. We had to learn, Mary had a little lamb. We had to learn taxi. But again, this is high technology. And that's what he's got to summon the taxi. He's a reporter. Yeah. Yeah. No radio, just a, just a, he's like, I don't even calling it right now. I'm just, I'm just jamming now. Things got range. It does. Because we're literally and figuratively. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking the same thing, dance. I was like, where are those things coming from? Yeah. Like behind us, where we can't see. Yeah. Yeah. Loved seeing all of the bounty in the carbonite. Clearly, each of these ascended the same way. Okay. I'm sick of you or you're trying to get away. So we're freezing. Yeah. Yeah. I do like that in the five years or so between the end of Return of the Jedi and this show, that carbon freezing is gone from something that was, oh, this is potentially deadly. You could be killing Han Solo by putting him in this carbon freezing chamber. This whole big thing on, on cloud city investment. And now it's like, oh, he's just got a portable unit and he's got enough for at least four carbon free sinks in his little ship. It's, it's, it's come along. Aboa Fett was a trailblazer. Yeah. I, I didn't realize it was five years. I couldn't remember the timeline. I should have looked that up. But things change fast, I guess. Well, that's what it seems kind of outer room to go from something that requires an entire room to something you can have on your back of your ship. Yeah. But space technology, I suppose. Just like computers, right? The old computers that took up rooms. Right. It took a little bit longer to get to smartphones, but But I do think that that's all part of, I think, I forget, we mentioned it, Toyo Rebecca, that it's like putting us in the Star Wars world. It's like you've seen that before. Yeah. You know where you are in that. And I really, I love that a lot. Yeah. I mean, they're introducing a lot of new stuff. And in fact, I was reading this one article. I want to say it was on Polygon. And they were talking about how they were kind of feeling this first season. And the Mandalorian was like, Oh, every new episode, we're, yeah, with every episode, we're going to introduce some new creatures and stuff. But I think having those throwbacks to the original trilogy, which, of course, in the Star Wars timeline, isn't that long ago, really does help us make those connections and feel a connection that is strong, like immediately, right? I mean, you're opening with somebody in the bar scene, you're like, Oh, yeah, that was Star Wars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was cool. That was cool. Well, and I think I forget what drinky orders. It's not, it's not something we've seen before, right? It's just a dream. It was just a drink. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. We did actually name it. All the things in that room that were callbacks that would like set that stage for us. Yeah, mostly it's just, it's a dark kind of dive bar filled with many, many different species were there on business. Shady, shady business. Oh, very. There's multiple hives of scum and villainy across the galaxy. Yeah. Kind of like the bars I hung out ahead at the 80s. Doing your shady business. Yeah. I guess there's a bar in LA called scum and villainy. Oh, that's awesome. I like that. Yeah. And during the pandemic, Kevin Smith and the other guys named Mark, whatever, I can't remember his last name, but they did a video cast from there. And then now every once in a while, they do live cast from there with audiences and stuff. So it's, I'm like, what are these days? I'm gonna fly down there and go to one of those. Yeah, that sounds awesome. Yeah. That would be really neat. What is the name of grief Kraga's planet? Is that, that's that one from the opening scene? Um, that's, uh, no, it's, um, Pagado or whatever it was. That was the first one that the ice planet, but, uh, where grief Kraga is, that's, that's Navarro. Navarro. That sounds familiar. They want to name a Dave, but that was taken. And I so appreciated Carl Weathers in this role. Yeah. I think he was an actor that never got much appreciation for his roles. And we watched one of the Star Wars celebrations. It was the last one, I think. And this always like makes me really emotional, because he was clearly so happy about that role and how much he loved playing that character. And I really liked that about that. I think that that's something that we don't think about. At least when we're talking about things like this, is that the people in that show love it as much as we do. Mm hmm. And I always adored that. I think that shows and how they're producing it and how they act in it. You know? Yeah. Yeah. I know when I heard that Carl Weathers side, and actually I learned about it from Rebecca on one of our podcast. Oh no. I'm like, what? But I mean, the first thing I was thinking about, I was like, oh my gosh, that's a real loss for the Mandalorian. It is. Mm hmm. Absolutely. Because now they're going to have to recast the role. There's going to have to be a new magistrate for an affair. Do you get the recast or just kill him off and do something different? That's a good thought. That is a good thought. I don't know if they would recast. I'm not sure anyone would have the gravitas that Carl Weathers did. I mean, would it just be a whole new character who's who's come in, a former underling? Oh, I don't know. I would choose. Who would you choose? Like spoilers and totally off track. Go on. Oh, I don't know. Like waiting. Like who? Yes. So, um, to be the, to be the Oliphon's character. I would choose him as the new match. But that's mostly because I really like to be all the fans. Yeah. Yeah. Only only of W.R.L. Brown comes along and continues to be the bartender since they both work together in Deadwood. They are, they work very well together. They just, there's this unspoken chemistry. Those two characters, those two actors have with each other when they're in character. And it's really, it's really nice to see. But yeah, I would. I think we need more Cobb Vanthe in our lives. Yes. Yeah. But I don't know how they're going to replace that role. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And he was so memorable. Yeah. I think you're right, Rebecca. Even from the first episode, he was really memorable in his position. And it's, it's that we never saw in the first three episodes anyway, him and Werner Herzog together in the same room, which would have been amazing as well. No, just one of those actors that can play that quintessential evil guy, you know, you just see him and you're like, Oh boy, this is bad news right here. And yeah. And he just has such a way of speaking the way that he enunciates certain words and clips them with precision. You cannot help but hang upon his every word. Wow. Wow. Thank you. I would like to see the baby. All right. Yeah. I know my stomach kind of flinched is the minute we saw Dr. Pershing because he comes back later. And I was like, Oh, yes. Looks so harmless and small, but in fact, he's actually pretty evil. I'm happy that his character got fleshed out in in later in later properties. Yeah, definitely. I'm kind of interested to see a guy. I'm jumping ahead now. If they're going to take that storyline with the people that he was involved with further, it'll be interesting to see what they do with that. And I was hoping they were going to do that in season four. But right when I was thinking about all that, and I asked because I thought, I was sitting in my chair one night. I'm like, when did season four of the Mandalorian come up? Getting on my computer. And I typed it in and I saw March. And that's all I saw in the month. I didn't look at any other date associated with that. And then like a week later, they're like, Oh, there's going to be a movie, probably not a season four. And I was like, damn it. I just talked to people about doing a podcast rewatch for this. And then I went back and I realized it had actually brought up information about one season three was going to be released. And I was like, oh, I should have probably read that more closely instead of just focusing it on one word. But then I was like, let's do it anyways. It's fun. Let's just rewatch the Mandalorian and let's talk about it. Frankly, anytime is good time for Star Wars content. Am I right? Oh, you're right. You're right. Pretty much eat, sleep and breathe Star Wars. And I have these really interesting conversations with my students, you know, who are now quite younger than Sammy. And, you know, for them, they don't buy into it in the same way that maybe that Jeff and I do and maybe the two of you do. And I had this conversation saying, you know, like, they're not making this for you. Sorry. They're making it to answer questions we asked when we were kids, right? And what we wanted to see, right? And because day, Felonia and John Favreau are in our age group, right? And they just get all mad at me about it. And, you know, I'm sorry, but that's how I feel that that when they're not vibing with it, it's because it's not directed at them. It's directed at us. Yeah. Thank you so many of content directed to them. Not that they can't enjoy it, but just, you know, they'll complain about something and I'll be like, oh, yeah, that's because that's not for you. Yeah. Like, why did he do that? Or in other seasons, they'll complain about guest stars. And I'm like, okay, but that's not for you. Right. That's for me. Right. Right. Right. Loved to see the armor. It was so cool to see that introduction and the mythosaur right above the door. I was like, oh, my gosh, that meant nothing to me the first time that I saw that and nor did the armor really. And also just there, there's this kind of just nobility or, I don't know, around the best scar, this reverence, this ritual, all of this stuff that is just so Mandalorian that it was just great to get back into that. Wait, they framed it is, I think, taking notes from all the samurai, maybe, is that John Fevreaux rash, right? That reverence about steel and the construction of steel and almost the interplay between the forge as a forge and an altar in a sense. Yep. Where there really was more than a manufacturing place. It's a place of ritual too, which I always thought was really cool. Yeah, because she does her stuff. And as the armor, it seems like she's also sort of the focal point of the covert, like she is their leader, but she's also their armorer. And I don't know if that's always the case throughout the covert, but we haven't seen that. But also knowing what we know about this particular covert and their belief system, perhaps it isn't that way with all of Mandalorian clans. But in this particular one, she's the boss. She makes your armor. You listen to her. This is the way. Yeah, this is the way. I just feel like anytime one of us says this is the way somebody else must say this. And also with you. Yeah, Emily Swallow, who plays the armor, they've modulated her voice so much. She sounds completely different. She's in the last few seasons of Supernatural. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't recognize it when I heard that was who that was. I said, what? Yeah. Yeah. The verse is super natural. Yeah. Was it true silver? No. No, she plays a gop. She's like God's sister, okay. The darkness. Yeah. Oh, yes. Yeah. I remember Dean hooks up with the darkness. Oh, Dean. That's a different podcast. That is a different podcast. Well, I can't imagine. It's amazing. We're 15 season. Holy cow. Wow. We'd have to podcast every day. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. If we cover dog Dean afternoon and scooby natural, I'm good. I love those things. Yeah. Same. I'm going to pull myself back from the Supernatural. That's dangerous. I've learned more in a.k.a. Supernatural. Don't look at the trap. I looked at the trap, Ray. I like how they did like we got. So those flashbacks of Mandos. Yes. A little bit of the story, right? And how he came to be a Halloween without exposition, right? It wouldn't have been as impactful if he would have just been telling the story. I really like that a lot. Totally. And so much gets revealed with not only knowing he's an orphan in this reason, he's always like set aside portions for the foundlings, but also that I can't, there's a few. It might actually be the later foundry scene when we see that his parents and him, you know, the whole attack is the full flashback. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. And so then you're like, oh, okay. Yeah. Droids destroyed his whole world. So yeah. I do like that they dropped those little bits of scenes in between the hammer blows and the forge blows. It's like, okay, well, yeah, clearly he's a he's a foundling. He said he is, and we're getting little bits of peace like, okay, we see that, you know, his parents, they were under attack, and I can't remember if this is the one where we see that it's as separate as battle droid or not. It's the next one. Okay. I think you're right. But I think it made, it reminded me of, like, sweat lodges in a sense when people are having a vision in a situation like that, where it's, you know, it's warm and there's steam and it's a ritual place. And I thought that was a really amazing way to integrate his, like Rebecca said, without exposition, but also setting it in the kind of mythological feeling that's the tribe of the Mandalorians kind of generates that mythology. You know, I loved it that they they could have had to do that, like, walking, you know, somewhere, but they just to do it in a really impactful way. Yep. Very good point. And speaking of ways to introduce the Mandalorian, I call it the Nick Nolte character. What's this guy's name? Queal. Queal. That is Nick Nolte, isn't it? It is Nick Nolte's voice, yes. Yeah. That queal is actually the first one to say mythosaur when Mando is, I don't know, having trouble with the writing, the creature, the blarg. The blarg. And also, I feel like the Nick Nolte character also seems to have a reverence and respect for the Mandalorian. Yes. And so, again, just kind of this external way to learn more about their culture without the exposition. Well, he says, I have never met a Mandalorian. And he says it in this kind of like, like, I would say, I don't know. I don't know. I hold that, like, I've never met Doug. I don't even know. I've never met friends to wall or, you know, somebody, you know, like, I would have reverence for. Yeah. He says it in that tone of voice. Like, I've never met Mandalorian. But I've heard the stories. Yeah. Yeah. Which I think that's what it was. Yeah. I saw, I went to see Don Johansson speak, right? And I don't know if that was when you were back or somebody else, but, you know, came out on stage and I leaned over to whoever I was with. And I was like, I really feel like I should be genuinely reflecting right now, like, I'm for any listeners who don't know who he is. He is a paleo anthropologist and his, he and his team discovered Lucy, the first osteopithecus afarensis hominin to be discovered. So, but, you know, it's just something you hear about all the time. And he was kind of like a mythological character. Yeah. And grad school. And so what I saw him, I was like, Oh, you're right. I feel like an evil, right? These are the kinds of anthropology factoids that you've come to wallowing in the shelves. And it's, it's, it's us in a nutshell. And physics. Yeah, we have to write seen the Agonauts right since Empire Empire, at least. I think they've been in the background for really, really, they've been in the background. They've never been like a forefront character. Like there was that there was the one animated show that we started to watch, but didn't finish. It was the ones about the teenagers that had like a racing craft and there was like a sevorn city. But I, I, I, resistance, I think I can't remember, honestly, but it was, but this is the first time with quill that we've had a speaking Agonaut character who spoke galactic basic. It was the voice of Nick Nolte. And I would be remiss if I did not mention Misty Rosas, who was in the suit. Because I don't think that the suit actors, the performance care, the performance actors don't get enough credit, which is something the Mandalorian took care of, especially the two stunt doubles for, for Pedro Pascal, Latif Crowder and Brendan Wayne, who was the grandson. He's the grind side of John Wayne. Yes. So the fact that all three of those people are basically one character, Latif and Brendan and Pedro are all the Mandalorian and they are pretty seamless in what they do. Yeah. I think Brendan Wayne is more the Gunplay guy, and Latif Crowder is the fighting guy. Yeah, they're all really good. Well, that's pretty cool. I mean, because this, of course, has that Western Old West vibes to it, like his granddad used to, to be in another, I think it's an article. And they were talking about the split Eastwood, John Wayne, Western vibes that, that you get, but they didn't mention that John Wayne's, well, grandson or great-grandson? Grandson. Grandson was his stunt double. Wow, that's cool. Yeah. Yeah, it's not amazing. Wow. This is, we were just talking about Wheel, because I wrote down like, why is he so willing to help Mando? But what you were just all saying about, you know, he was, the Mandalorians were like a mythological thing for him. And so that, kind of answers my question is, why was he so willing to help? It's basically some guy that just crashes on the planet. Yeah, I love you. Yeah. He did, he did explain that he has lived his entire life in solitude. He's finally able to buy his freedom and I think also his compatriots' freedom, his, his, his sort of clan. And he came to this planet just to live in peace. Yeah. And then ever since, you know, this particular asset that Mando is after has arrived on this planet with the gang around it, there's been nothing but violence and disturbance and bounty hunter after bounty hunter coming to this plant to try to find it and dying. And so that's why he's willing to help is like, because you're a Mandalorian. I've heard the stories. Yeah. If the stories are true, you will make quick work of this. Yeah. And then peace will return to my valley. And that's why he's willing to help. Yeah. I do love when Mando asks if he helped others who came and he said, yeah, but they all said that he's like, I don't know if I want here. Yeah. Yeah. What I love about the vocal characterizations that Pedro does is he will tell this. He says that that's his bedroom voice. So like, he doesn't want to, he says he'll be on the street and parents would be like, he saved something to my child. And he's like, um, no, that's my bedroom voice. I don't feel comfortable talking to your seven year old in my bedroom voice. Space daddy. I have to look up where he says that. It's really great. It's a funny story. Wow. Well, speaking of other bounty hunters, we see IG, IG 11. Yes. I immediately thought to myself, well, baby, I think this is the first time that we've seen an IG units strutted stuff in live action. Ever since ID 88 in Empire Strikes Back, which sort of stood there on the start and did nothing. And that is kind of, again, something we talked about before, where Filoni and Favreau, they're like, they're answering all the questions that we've had since we were children is like, how just how awesome is an IG unit? And we get to see it. With the voice of Taika Waititi, which is really good. Love it. Hit motion and the arm motions are amazing. And that's a practical effect, isn't it? It's not. It's it's both. There is CG, but there is also a puppeteer for the IG unit in some scenes. It's a rod puppet. I think kind of like in the same way that 3PO was done in the prequel series, when he was just sort of like a skeleton of wires hanging off of it, it was a rod puppet. And there was literally a person attached to it standing behind. And whenever that person moved, 3PO and in this case, IG, we do the same thing. Wow. Yeah, that whole bit about the self-destruct. Why stop it? Do not self-destruct. It's just so funny that that's the solution. You know, things look kind of bad. I'm going to self-destruct. Blow up a sofa. Blow up and everyone else. Yeah. Yeah. And again, to come back to what we were talking about, like you can see his annoyance building, just his body posture, and how he's kind of reacting. I mean, obviously his voice is saying things, but it's so funny, just this all stiff and angry about it. Like, no, stop it. Yeah. Yeah. Do you remember? And again, because I didn't start watching the series when it first dropped, so I already knew there was a baby Yoda in it. But do you remember what your reaction was when you first saw the baby Yoda? Because I hadn't fully embraced it. The idea of the show even though it was Star Wars, I was still like, oh no, I don't know if this is going to be for me. Yeah. But the second I saw a baby Yoda, I was like, okay, fine, I'm sold. For me, it was when they said the target was 50 years old, and I'm like mentally going through, okay, how long after Jai since this take place? Who in the original Star Wars cast could meet this? Who could be 50 years old right now? Is Luke that old? Is Han that old? Is Mamak the that old? Oh, oh no, wait. No, it's a baby Yoda. Oh, wow. Okay. All right, we're down. Wow. Yeah, I was kind of mad. I was like, I got to stop watching these YouTube things. So, I guess it was all boiled for me, but you know, that we still don't know what species they are. They have not been named. That is correct, which is kind of cool. The question we all want answer to this. Honestly, if they give us a name for the species, it's going to be anti-climatic, because like, is that is that what it is? That's that's what you came up with? I mean, because I think everyone's just happy with baby Yoda and like, and then we found, oh, Grogu is his name. Whoa. Grogu? Yeah. I mean, it sounds like Korean barbecue. Come on. Yeah, I don't want to first heard his name. I'm like, what the hell? Oh, the cute little ET moment when they put their little fingers out at the end. Yes. Yeah, I was thinking about that. Michael Angelo. Oh, yes. Yeah. Sure was just in channel. Yes. Yeah. But I think, I wonder, because there's another callback to another franchise in episode one or two, when he's on the planet after his ship has been stripped. Oh, yes. So, I want to explain it. Yeah. It's not an ET reference. And then there's going to be just like here, their scattered references that you don't see if you don't have seen the other franchises. Well, there's another one that you keep bringing up that during the Sandcrawler chase. Yeah. Where Mando's trying to get up the treads of the Sandcrawler and... Well, it gets pinched between the Sandcrawler and the wall, the stone wall. And that's like straight out of Raiders. Yeah, let's just say... Earlier, if that's steel beast, yes. Yeah. So maybe that is an ET reference, but it could easily be... Oh, yeah. I could see equally being both. Yeah. I like it. Yeah. I immediately fell for baby Yoda. And I too was spoiled in advance. I didn't see the series right away. And so I was like, "Oh my gosh, there's a baby Yoda." And it come through... I mean, I have loved baby Yoda from the first. I just think how they get that puppet to... Whatever effect it is, I'm in. And I really, I believe. It's a tremendously good puppet. It goes little hairs on his head. Yes! Yes! Yes! Little peach fuzz. Those little peach fuzz hairs. Yeah. Everybody's like, "Okay." And the ears flapping in the wind. Yeah! I love it. Yeah. It just reminds me of... I mean, dogs, right, who have those really big overgrown ears. And they're always like, "Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa." Yeah. Flapping all the way. That's in how it is. Yeah, you just gotta love that. And it was interesting because I know a lot of people have said that it looks very gremliny. And they're not really wrong. But, I mean, there's only so many ways to draw a big-eared, round-headed character, right? I think the conception of designing Grogu must have been an interesting series of conversations. Yeah, there's concept art where it's not as cute. It's a bit more rugged looking, a little bit older looking. And then someone just hit it and nailed it like, "Okay, this is the direction we're going." And it's... It definitely struck a nerve with a lot of people. It took over the internet for a good few weeks. The one thing I remember the most is a couple of guys just took a song from Hamilton, "Dear Theodosia." He's like, "Dear baby Yoda, what do you say to you?" And it was just the entire song was about baby Yoda. Like, that is beautiful. I don't think I've heard that. I will provide a link for you. Yeah. So that's about the end of episode one there. And so we can just sort of slide right into episode two. Yep, yep. I remember I was sitting there and I did it again last night or the other night when I was re-watching. And, you know, are we going to call him baby Yoda right now or are we going to use his name? Oh, yeah. We should do baby Yoda maybe. Or the asset or the child. Because the episode two is the child. The child. Yeah. And he's trying to help Mando, you know, heal. He tries very hard to get it. And he just like, putting him back in the egg thing. And I'm like, "Come on, give me the chance." Which, that bassinet is awesome tech. I need amazing. Yeah. It's got the the tether though that the wireless tether so that it always stays close to where the transmitter is. It can be closed remotely, open remotely, hand gestures, get it out of the way of a charging mud horn, all that stuff. And it's got wheels. That thing can go. It can move. And I like it that he doesn't object to it. You know, he just is pretty happy to ride around in there. He gets out of it. But most of the time he's just sort of chilling in there. I wonder if in the first episode, they hadn't really perfected too much of his movement in the same way later episode. Well, this is the second episode. Yeah. But like, you know, later seasons, he moves much more. Yeah, you see him out of it walking around a lot more. Like, we just got to develop this look. Okay, he's going to be in the pram for the most part. And that makes sense. So speaking of kind of things that elicit memories from the original movies, seeing the Jawas. Oh, yes. I like, Oh my gosh. And they're gigantic garbage can craft. I'm so happy we got to see more of the inside of the Santa Crawler, which is again, probably another one of those generational question things that Phylonia and Faber, but I was like, okay, what is their, what is their control deck look like? Like, how, how well does that ramp work? And, you know, there's all the panels on the sides, like all the sun shades up top, and the cranes, it's, yeah, they, they gave us the full package with that. Well, a sense of humor. Yes. I would have never realized that they're wrinkling all the time. Yes. Yeah. You sound like a rookie. Well, then when they're driving along, and they, I think they deliberately go over something to bump his head on the ceiling. And then they think that's absolutely. Not even that funny, because they're, they're just like, that's what you get for just, that's what you get for disintegrating three of us. Yes. Well, I did disintegrate a few of them. They might. And then he whipped out that flamethrower. I love when they're all chanting the egg, the eggs. Oh, yeah, yeah. It reminded me of that scene in Galaxy Quest when they're trying to find those big orb things. I can't remember what they're, they're supposed to be their fuel, right? And all those little things are chanting, grove, grove, grove. And they're all really gleeful about it. And I was like, wow, I really got Galaxy Quest vibes there. Yeah. And that could be a reference, right? Yeah, sure. So they're doing it. I was framing it as like the most excruciating trip ever. But the people who are traveling with are simply saying egg. And that's all they're saying. I clearly, they weren't worried about getting salmonella or anything, but eating grown eggs. Oh, my gosh. Oh, boy. I said, Jeff, I'm like, I don't think I can even make an omelet. Oh, just digging in. I just, despite how sort of vivid that is, if you'd asked me about this part, I absolutely remembered the mud horn. I absolutely remembered or maybe Yoda stopping it. I've totally forgotten the whole reason that he was getting this egg to get his faces back. And then he's discussed it, what they do with it. Yeah, just silently shakes his head. Oh, yeah. This is what I went for. Lunch. It was during that scene when they did kind of like a really front-on shot of quill. And I was like, wow, he even really looks a little bit like McNulty. Yeah. Just like, particularly around the forehead and eyes, I'm like, wow, that's a little bit naughty, man. I kind of wonder if they didn't take some of like shots of him and then try to incorporate it into the sculpt. I would love to know if that was the case. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And once again, boy, he comes through completely helping, facilitating with the Jawas who absolutely would not have dealt with Mando for a second and helping him get his ship back to him. He's like, he's like, if you'd help, maybe this would go faster. There's no way that sled carried all of that stuff. Oh, my God. I'm like, how many trips did they make? But I am thankful that on that on that on that skid of parts, the toilet is right there. Yeah. I miss that. I miss that. I do without your space toilet. Yes. That's awesome. That's funny. They probably were killing themselves, right? When they when they were deciding what to put wear on that sled, you know, Phil and he's like, let's put the toilet right there. It's right front and center here. It's just like, it was such a point in the first episode. It's like, where's your vac to? There it is. Right there in center. Okay. Yes. Star Wars has toilets. Toilets are canon in Star Wars. There we go. But I also think what's really interesting about this part of this series is that it's setting up Dinjara and, oh, we're not supposed to call him that yet, the Mandalorian to learn that he can ask and receive help from other people that are not in the tribe, which is going to form the basis for everything that happens after this. And so I feel like Quill is at the perfect beginning to that in terms of he's helping him almost completely selflessly. And he's doing it without reward or without any hope of money or really any glory or anything. He's just helping him. And, you know, I don't think up until that point, Andos really understood that other beings outside of the tribe could help him. So I like that setup. And I love that they did it with an Agonaut who's like this kind of, I don't know, almost a throwaway type of character in Empire goes to this major character. Oh, yes. A very resonant character. Yeah. Yeah. I think that was really me. Yeah. I don't remember Agonaut from Empire. I've been sitting here when you mentioned it earlier, I was trying to rack my brain. I'm like, really? Yeah. They're the ones who, after 3PO gets blown off by the stormtroopers, they're the ones that are in the scrap area. Yeah, okay. And then Chewbacca comes and it haulers at them to leave. And he gathers up the rest of the 3POs parts. Okay. They're also, they're also tending to the carbon freezer. Oh, wow. Okay. But that also sets the stage for why Quill can repair an entire ship by himself. Yes. Yeah. You know, whereas Mando's like, oh no, we need like this entire. Yeah, we need entire maintenance bay. Yeah. Because like, no, I have a screwdriver. I've spoken. Follow me. Yeah. I have spoken. He's the doctor who of the Mandalorian. Yeah. I sound extreme driver. Was some, was some MacGyver thrown in. Yeah. A lot of MacGyver. And maybe a little bit of Zathras if you want to drop a B5 reference. Wow. You are finite. Zathras is finite. This is wrong tool. Oh, I haven't thought about that showing well. Oh, yes. You know, I have to admit during the scene, well, this is the mud horn fight scene. Yeah. There are a couple of things. One is that I couldn't, I felt like I was missing some significance of the shots when they're going back and forth between Grogu's eyes and Mando's eyes on his helmet. His visor. Yeah. And I'm like, what am I missing here? What? That's got to be significant in some way, but I don't get it. And then how did he kill that mud horn with that little bitty knife? All this storm and bluster and all it took was a pocket knife. A jab in the neck. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I had to laugh. I don't know why this came in because I was like, Oh, he's probably going to be posted about that forever, right? I killed this mud horn with this rib sticker kind of thing. And it reminded me of, I don't know, Nancy, if you've ever heard of Scotty McNeish. He was an archeologist. And he is kind of famous for making this comment that Ice Age hunters probably killed one mammoth in their lifetime and then bragged about it. For some reason that just popped into my head when I saw that scene. I'm like, yeah, it's just going to be bragging about it now forever. I killed his mud horn. And yet, right in the next episode, when the armor says, Oh, then the mud horns should be your signet, he's like, no, I was really helped. And it wasn't really me. And he doesn't accept it as a signet. So he does. He has some humility about it. And recognizes that without maybe Yoda, he'd have been DED. Yeah. I mean, that's what he did is he like, okay, the mud horn is ready for one more charge. My armor is in tatters. I'm just going to pull my boot knife, put it in front of me and bow my head and wait for the curtain to fall. Nancy, you were mentioning so Nancy, I want to bring this up, because I was tipped off by, you know, seeing stuff through Grogu's eyes and through Mando's eyes at the same time. You had talked about seeing stuff and how there were shots from Grogu's point of view, because for this short period of time that Grogu's been with Mando, he has personally witnessed Mando kill trans oceans. He's he's vaporized Jawas. He's been pulled along at the end of an invisible leash chasing this gigantic sand crawler. I mean, go on, take them there. Oh, I just think that it's Mando and his experiences with Grogu are teaching Grogu things that will come back later. So like he watches the Jawas eat that egg. Well, then no spoilers, but that comes back later, right, where Grogu's doing something. And he sees Mando kind of, I mean, not illogically killing people, but he does get the idea that that's okay. That that's that's what you do. That can be done. So his experiences in that prom, I feel like are sort of things that they're going to that they did come back to, but then also that they could also come back to. And I often wish that they would have more views from his viewpoint to make that point. Because you know, he's not just sitting there. He's learning things. Yeah. Those those neurons are connecting. I didn't really think about that. That's a really interesting point too. And you know, I mean, so we come to find out and we definitely see that that Grogu has some powers. And we know we find out later he has had some training, but yeah, where is his maturity level? Clearly he is very physically immature, but yeah, where he seems so baby, but clearly he's not completely infant, right? So it is just interesting to think, yeah, where is he in his development? And what how are these things impacting him in terms of his level of understanding? Sure. We'll ponder this. I know I'm sitting here going. I think also because we don't have a species that we can communicate with that age is so differently from ourselves. You know, like eventually in the series, Soka is able to communicate with Grogu. It's mostly visual, sorry about spoilers, but like in our real world, we don't have that. So I think it's hard for me to kind of figure out, well, it says he's 50, but it's a baby. What does that mean for his overall trajectory of growth and development and how he's progressing? Right, right. Because it was in his nine hundreds, right? Yeah. Yeah. So truly a baby, if that is how their lifespan goes, right? Right. And like, is it a case where it's like horses where they hit the ground running and they're able to survive up to a certain point and then their body grows up around them? Like, yeah, I mean, physically, he's not very well developed, but developed enough to get training on Coruscant with the Jedi temple. But mentally, he's probably sharper, which is kind of interesting because if he's mentally sharper, then he, but he doesn't have spoken language yet. But he knows how to, you know, use the force to, to hold that mutt horn. He tries to force he a couple of times. He reaches up tries very right. Oh, I did learn something about that carrier that the best car is in that. The Captain Oh, yeah. Please you, please you recount your knowledge. Well, I just learned this again from a polygon article and was written by Austin Gosling back in 2019 when the show came out. And he refers to it as the ice cream maker. But he said, you know, we learn now that it's called a Camtano, but it shows up in Empire. Yes. Yeah, it does. And I was like, Oh, I missed that. And so now we know the name, it's a Camtano, and that it's like a personal safe. Almost like a briefcase, you know, that you can lock and hand up to your wrist. And I was like, I think ice cream. Yeah. Yeah. And what's so funny is it's you see that guy in Empire for like, a couple of seconds. Yeah. Not even. But then there's like a whole fandom. There's this whole cosplay groups that are just that dude with his ice cream maker. And that's their cosplay. And now that character has a name, the character has an action figure. His character's name was Blue Row Hood. And it is an ice cream maker. We had one of those growing up. It looked exactly like it was I think it was brown and like fake wood grain, but it was the exact same thing that that sort of bucket with the attachment on top. And it has proven so popular that I don't know if it's still being sold, but at least a couple of years ago, you could buy a Camtano that actually had like a little code lock and had the three panels that opened up. I don't think I don't remember if those are being sold at Galaxy's Edge when we were there last year. But yeah, yeah. But yet you could and I think still can buy one. Huh. Well, it's also suggested I learned in this article that that word, Camtano or however you say it, came from a 2017 meme that went viral. That's interesting. And there was this, I'll post that link and I'll send it to you all too. So you can see it, but there's this little girl and she's like sitting in her car seat. And her dad's talking to her. And he's like, I love ice cream. Oh, interesting. That's fun. Yeah, they were speculating that is that where that word came from? Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. So maybe, maybe. Yeah, that was about that. Yeah. Yeah, when we meet him, when we get him on the podcast, there we go. We've got big dreams, ladies and gentlemen. Oh gosh. But I think that's what's amazing about that. The Mandalorian is they're finding these little moments that was on the screen in Empire for like two seconds. And yet it's now the crux of this part of carrying the best car and the reward. Yeah. Yeah. And it's to have that encyclopedic knowledge that Kaloni has must be amazing. To be able to go, hey, let's get that thing in those last moments in this moment in Empire and make this a huge part of the new series, which I think is really cool. Yes. Yeah. I mean, they've really got to be steeped in it. Oh, between Kaloni and Favreau? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they had to have read the books and everything to really understand the canon like that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think we're kind of in episode three now, aren't we? Pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The child has been delivered to the client and Dr. Pershing and Mando is starting to feel a little bit of pangs of humanity. He's asking what's going to happen to the kid and like, well, that's not a question you should ask. That is against Guild Protocol. You should not care about this. And yet he does. Yeah. And I just have to interject here about Pedro Pascal's type casting because did you guys watch The Last of Us? I can't. No. Okay. Yeah. I familiar with what it is, certainly. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, again, totally delivering a youth to a questionable location or medical type experiments. It's like, Pedro, you got to get out on this loop. But yeah, I just, I really had, I really had flashbacks of that. And Last of Us is intense for me. But boy, I did think it was well done. But oh yeah, it is scary AF. Yeah, I can't do the zombies, even for Pedro. And I'll do it after Pedro. These are seriously bad zombies. But I did have a question about the title of this one being titled The Sin. And I'm curious about what you all think The Sin is. That's a great question. I wonder that myself. What's The Sin? Oh, now I'm just like, my brain is like scrubbing through the episode and like, what happened in this episode? Yeah. Several minutes later. Yeah. I'm still thinking about us. Yeah, I need to look for a synopsis now, which is why I can just have a quick idea of what happened. You know, so The Sin could be he violated Guild Code. That's what I was wondering. But it doesn't seem like that's deep enough. Yeah, I think that's a little simplistic, maybe. I mean, it's true. But I wonder if if The Sin is a bigger sin in the sense of this is the first moment. No, that's silly. I think we're heading down the right path and that he's feeling pangs of guilt, pangs of remorse. And so that that starts by questioning what's going to happen even after it's not supposed to be anymore of his business. I think The Sin is betraying the Guild by taking the child back because then he's a pariah to the entire Guild. So his sin is that he's given up his business for a child that he is not going to know what the heck to do with. What do you all think? Well, and I feel like it does have a lot of layers. That's what I think that there's a lot of answers, which is a compound perhaps. But it also, you know, this kind of father figure bit that Mando is going to be, it made me think of the sins of the father and just the sin of actually delivering the innocent up in the first place. And then the sin of, yeah, breaking the code. But this sin is actually for the good. It's not a real evil sin. And so yeah, I just like thinking about it throughout the episode because I feel like it's got a few layers for sure. The sin is he prioritizes the child over the cover. And so that could be, he has, you know, and so his, he goes back and gets the child, even though he's already given the reward, he's taken, taken the commission, taken the reward. And even though he doesn't, he doesn't act with the covert or expect the covert to help him, he's still exposing and bringing attention to Mandalorians by what he's doing. And so, and he's prioritizing and he recognizes it. When he says to Pazvisla, you're going to have to move the covert and they're like, well, this is the way, but they still have to move the covert to expose everybody. So, you know, I like what Rebecca was saying, that there's a lot of layers to it. Yeah. Could it also be because, you know, clearly little baby Yoda, trust him. Yes. And so it's a betrayal because remember, and I love this line, when he's talking to the armorer and the Mandalorian says it did not know it was my enemy. Yes. So maybe it's, it could be, maybe it is all these things, right? There's a lot of things happening, but maybe the sin is, one of the sins is the betrayal of the little baby. Because certainly when the pram is going back with Dr. Pershing, the child's looking at and I don't know. And Winfrey. I like that as an idea from the sin, especially because Mando's been conditioned to care for foundlings and care for young orphans. Right. And so basically like betraying himself, right? Because he was a foundling. And he's going against his entire, well, most of his childhood and his adulthood, steeped in the lore and the ritual of the covert, knowing that because they're like a cast off rented from after the purge, when the siege of Mandalore, when the Mandalore got turned into green glass, basically. And they're constantly on the move, constantly looking out for anything that could find them and destroy them. And that brings up, I quote from the client in episode two, which means I get to do my Werner Herzog voice again. Finding a Mandalorian in his trying times is more difficult than finding the steel. So I mean, and as he's saying that there's like a covert like probably in the sewers directly underneath him. Yeah. And spoilers for the last of us, but he too delivers another child and then changes his mind and goes on a bloody rampage. So yeah, so I'm so glad. I mean, I had kind of forgotten how long he'd left. You know, he really did just deliver got the got the best car and was on his merry way. And it wasn't until after some reflection and paying some guilt. But he was like, Oh, I gotta, I gotta right this wrong. Yeah, that's that's why he ran. I went right to grief Kargan said, give me my next job. I don't care what it is. Just give me out of here. He was feeling the guilt. Yeah, he's like here. Sex and drugs. Get yourself a camp to know space by the time you come out of hyperdrive, you won't remember a thing. Yeah, first offers to take it to some Twilight healing baths. Yeah, he's just a euphemism for sex. Well, yeah, yes. It's just the way. Oh Lord. That is a lot of best car. It's about 20 to 22 ingots. We actually froze, we freeze framed and can counted plus the down payment. So there's at least 21 and we know grief got at least one. Right. I think grief has to. I think you're right. Yeah, I wonder if at all possible, it comes up to 30 pieces of silver and oh man. Oh man. I wonder if it does that would be amazing. Wow. Yeah, because he gave him a down payment of one that he made the power that the Elmer made the pauldron with. And so then we think there's like around 20 or 22 inside the camp to know. And grief has to brief has at least two. Yeah, that's a great reference. Wow. And then the sin starts to make even more. So is the child the Christ like figure? No, no, no, don't go to that row. I mean, there's sort of a major, right? The pram. Okay, there you go. Wow. Wow. That's a good turn. Did it. Did anybody now to go to the completely mundane? Did anybody else when Mando came out with this new armor think about because every girl every girl goes crazy that is. I will make that happen. I've got skills. I can make that happen. That's awesome. Oh, it's like, wow. Yeah, this is a total upgrade. But still with the cape, that doesn't do anything. Yes. I think. Yeah, you think you're new Kate. Oh, that's what I was trying to figure out. Did I was going to ask? Did anybody notice to get a new Kate? Because I know the one was really holy at the bottom. Yeah, I didn't tell with the new one. Wow. Quite enough of a payoff to get a new cloak. Right. She's an armor or not a tailor. He's got to go to the other other. Go for it. Make all the soft goods. Oh, that's funny. Now I can't get that seat out of my head with that saw, right? When he's walking. All right. It's going to stick with you. It's going to stick with you. Once an armor sets him up, right? Because she says this, this is going to draw many eyes. I feel like you could reset that seam to the sharp dress band. The wheels are turning. The wheels are turning. That's all I'm going to say. With some ZZ Top pictures thrown in there, right? I do have a question that came up for me, particularly during this. I know we're post empire. So are the stormtroopers mercenaries now? Or is this, are we supposed to think that after pressing, pressing, pressing, pushing and the client are still like part of the empire, like the remnant empire? I think they're remnants. Yes. I mean, please says that all left of the empire are mercenaries and warlords. So that's suggesting to me that the client is one of these warlords and he's got stormtroopers who are loyal to them, even though these stormtroopers are looking pretty darn bad. They're dirty. They've got the wrong weapons. Like, well, he's got a scout blaster. And that sort of ties in with something that was from, was it from Ahsoka or is it from rebels, where they were like, or was it, hmm, I'm getting off in the weeds here. But there was a scene where there are these imperial remnant leaders who have like kind of a holographic teleconference about, you know, where do we go from here? How do we, how do we start bringing the empire back together? So it, it strikes me that the client is one of these warlords, one of these regional warlords trying to hold on to power and find a way to start, you know, regaining power. I know what scene you're talking about. What show is that in? It's Ahsoka. Is it Ahsoka or maybe it's Andor? Oh, yeah, it could be either one. Okay, because really what it comes down to, again, huge, huge spoilers is they're probably all talking about Project Necromancer. The, the, the big plan to bring Palpatine back somehow, Palpatine returned. And so that's, and that's also getting back to bad batch. We're talking about Project Necromancer and high M counts. And I think pretty clearly, the child has a high M count, if you know that we've explicitly said it. Right. Right. So that, I mean, that's, that's, that's Foloni weaving all these threads. Wow. But I kind of feel like the client is not the greatest warlord. No. Because he sends every bounty on par set. And only one guy comes back with the asset. Like, why does that work? Yeah. I mean, I know it's plotline, but really? And why did IT 11 have orders to terminate the asset? Was that just? Yes. Yeah. Was that was that Dr. Pershing playing his hands and now it's dead or alive? That really confused me. Dr. Pershing was like, no, that's not our agreement. He's got to be alive. And then it was, um, Herzog's character that said, or, you know, if you have to kill it. Yeah. It's acceptable for a lower fee. That looks sad. Lower fee. You're freaking me out when you do that. Yeah. It's good. It's fun. Like, I never attempted to do a murder, Herzog voice before the Mandalorian, but oh, it's so good. It's like a glove. I love it. Wow. Wow. I'm trying to think ahead because this conversation we haven't made me wonder if there was somebody else that was after him as well. And of course, I'm thinking about what's his name? Moth Gideon. Ah, yes. Do we ever find out if he was specific? I mean, because he, you know, we're looking ahead, you know, catch wants to capture baby Yoda. So could he have been that put bounty out on baby Yoda as well? And maybe he didn't really care if the it was like mine? I think it's plausible. Huh? Because he does find out that the client has managed to get a hold. And that's the question I had in addition to who wanted Grugu dead. Oh, baby Yoda, sorry. But who's funding the operation that that Mando rescues baby Yoda from? So I mean, those mercenaries go there by themselves, right? There's like a whole compound and there's a bunch of mercenaries. Well, who's paying for that? Yeah. And yeah, you know, because they thought enough to hide the baby away from Mando and they were, you know, behind a big sealed door or whatever. Right. So I think those two things maybe are related or connected somehow, but we never get that answer yet. Yes. Who who hasn't at that point? Right. There's there's a large gap that we don't know about yet from where Mando runs across the child for the first time and going to, oh heck, where was it? Was it Ahsoka or was it later season of the Mandalorian where Ahmed Best comes back as Jedi master Kellar and Beck and rescues Grugu and takes him away from the from Corazon in the Jedi temple when Order 66 is being executed. So there's there's a lot of story in between there that we don't know yet. So maybe there's other players that are going to emerge. Yeah. It wouldn't surprise me if it's all these different warlords, you know, fighting each other just to be able to what to be the one that takes the prize to to whoever's in charge of Project Necromancer. Yeah. Hmm. Interesting. My little wheels are turning. I feel like there's a little hamster in my brain book. Well, in the meantime, to callbacks to the earliest movies, as always, a group of stormtroopers falls like a house of cards. And one of those little that we saw that little black. I don't know any of their names, but the little murder bot didn't it torture Princess Leia. Oh, the interrogation droid. Yes. The interrogation droid. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that black one. Shiny guy. That's so scary in the fire when it comes down to the corner. It's so scary. It's making all that noise. It's, you know, flashing. The big hybrid every needle and the, the, the, the salad spoon forceps on the side. Like, where is that going to go? Yeah. Mm hmm. So you know, nothing good is planned for Groove. Right. Yeah. I'm not making you a salad. So yeah. Yeah. Another callback droid is the, the doorman droid, the, the eye on the stick that we first saw. Yeah. And I think that's Favreau doing the voice for it. Oh, really? Oh, my gosh. I have to look it up, but I think it's him. I kept waiting for it to say, what is it? I couldn't, I couldn't jump first. Yeah. To the C3PO and he's like saying, it's Judy. That's an episode one. That's from one of the thugs that's assaulting the myth roll. Uh, is it, it's subtitle is, hey, Mando. He says, echukta Mando is like, really? That's okay. I guess because this is on Disney Plus, they do have to tone down the light a little bit. Yeah. I love it though, when, um, the street fight, when all of the nanny hunters have Mando and Groove surrounded and then the other Mandalorians. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Again, West type rescue. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. I just love that scene. It gives me goosebumps. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. It also kind of foreshadows. No, it does. Um, is this the same episode where we have a further flashback where, um, her Mando gets rescued by Death Watch, the Mandalorians with the jetpacks coming down from the sky. Was that the same episode as this one? No, I don't think so. Okay. Okay. So this is foreshadowing to have all the Mandalorians from the covert come down on their packs to save Mando. Yeah. So cool. And so you're saying heavy metal is supposed to be persevering. Which of these left? Uh, he's, um, positively. It's positive. So that's in this one. That's okay. In Clone Wars. Okay. Okay. Okay. Got it. Thank you. And of course, that was that scene where I got the Iron Man vibes. Yeah. It's really doesn't store. Yeah. That's it. But again, that would make sense in those callbacks to different franchises. Yeah. If that actually is. Yeah. So we, we've got Galaxy Quest. Yeah. Uh, Marvel Iron Man. Yeah. Yeah. I love those kinds of things. I do too. I mean, you suck up for it. Oh, yes. Happy to be too. Give me the, give me all the Easter eggs. Yes. Yeah. This, this is right at the end, but that best car protects people even when it's in its little ingot form. I mean, that's right. That's like, Riga makes it. Yes. I wonder if Mando shot him there on purpose, right? Cause he knew he did know he's the best. Yeah. I never thought of that. Sorry. Yeah. You're right. Yeah. So it's a way to get him off the ship, but not actually kill him. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And I can't remember. Seeing that Mando can kill. Yes. Yes. So he can aim. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's not a stormtrooper. No. Yes. He's, he's worth about 150 stormtroopers. That's pretty sure. But actually, when he says that, I was just thinking, he says, I like those odds. There's somebody else that says, never tell me the odds. Yes. Oh, yep. So during the flying through the asteroids. At that time, did you hear when grief was giving him the pucks? He's like, bail jumper, bail jumper, smuggler. And you're like, oh, wait a minute. It's really one smuggler I care about. Yeah. I care about one smuggler. Love it. We'll never know, but oh, we can think. Cause this happens before this after return. Yes. It's about five years, five years after return to the Jedi. But it's before the final trilogy, right? Yes. That's correct. Okay. Okay. Because Han Solo and Chewie could be out there still. Oh, yeah. I'm sure they are. Yeah. So it could have been an interest. I'll personally stalk Filoni if we don't get it in the Falcon and Chewbacca in the movie. Oh, love it. The one that got away. Right on. Well, good. I love that these, the first three episodes really are like their own little arc. And it really sets us up nicely for what's coming. And in really quiet ways, like you expect the Mithril bounty person to never show up again, but he in fact does. And it's a name, I think. I don't recall. I don't recall. But just the little things that happen. Like we now know that Grogu can, or at least he attempts to heal. So then we see him actually, well, spoilers. I love the thinking of it, like it's own arc, right? And then that ends it, is much setting up for the rest of the plot lines, right? Right. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. Yeah. Oh, yes. It was a great revisit. Yes. I did too. I saw more than I think I did the first couple of times. And I think one of the things that I've been thinking about a lot is actually how much of the naivete of Mando actually comes through, even in the very beginning. He's not stupid, but he just doesn't really understand a lot about how things work in the world. He just doesn't, because I think he's been in that covert and he's been so shielded. So he can't really process a lot of stuff that happens around him. He's not used to interacting with other people outside the covert in anything other than a transactional state of mind. Yeah. Like no friends, just contacts. Yeah. And so I think his first friend is Quill, right? And then eventually, obviously, his relationship with the babies. Yeah. So do you have favorite moments in the first three? Well, I think mine is when the covert comes and saves Mando and the baby. Yeah. It's such an impressive visual scene. Yeah. And I love, you know, when he's flying away, right? And you can still see the battle going on. So they end up fighting just because he's gone. Right. There's still going on kicking it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I love when baby Yoda, when the child stops the mud horn. I think I think that just is burned into my brain as being this moment of oh, this is much more than a baby. Yeah. The music just sort of calms down as well during that moment. And it's like, look, you need to focus on this is what is telling the viewers. But it's this rampaging knockdown drag out fight. And then suddenly it's much more quiet. And why is that? Yeah. And the mud horn is just suspended. It's not tortured. It's not it's just stopped, made powerless by being levitated above the ground. And I don't know. I just, I absolutely love that. And I just, you know, the big power comes in tiny packages. I just. Yeah. I think that leads into my favorite scene, which is the Jawa scene. Just like throwing rocks at him and, you know, this part on the ship. Let's get a tray here. Throw the rocks and then they pop out of those little side things and pulls them out. Yeah. And then I just think that scene is so well done. It's just it takes what could be wrapped in drama and a really intense scene and does that, but then puts really a lot of humor in it. And I just thought that was amazing. I think it's really. For me, it was the shoot out with Mando and IG 11 against all of all of the thugs. Just because we get to see IG move in this weird pop lock combat style and then constantly trying to blow itself up. And you're just getting more and more exasperated with it. It's this great action sequence, but there's a lot of comedy in it too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Good stuff. So anybody have any closing comments? Just that these three first three episodes and as we've said, it's the kind of their own arc, but it's really we've just done the first big hill on the roller coaster. We've gone up, we've gone down and we're about ready to start going back up again. And what awaits us? I mean, back in 2019, we didn't know we didn't know what was going to await us for the second half of or the next three episodes or whatever of this particular season. Yeah. Because there is so much to go. So much good stuff to come. Yeah. All right. Cool. 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