(upbeat music) (dramatic music) - Welcome to a special Friday edition of "Wallowing in the Shallows," the podcast that skirts the perilous drop off of a deep dive into television and movies. We are academic nerds aspiring to become TV and movie geeks. There are no spoiler guards in the shallows, so listen at your own risk. This week, join us for a while out in the alkalite, season one. (upbeat music) - Hey, hello peeps. Welcome to "Wallowing in the Shallows," this is Torey. - And this is Rebecca. And today we are talking about the alkalite, season one, episode four, day. - Yes, and sorry we didn't get this out on Friday, but been traveling. We've been traveling, so you're lucky you're getting it now. (laughing) - Exactly. - We really are dedicated. (laughing) - Yeah, but who knows, when will get edited is the question. - Yeah, you know, and no problem, no problem. We have such patient wonderful gentle listeners. (laughing) - Oh, if only I could do a Julie Andrews accent. Gentle listeners. (laughing) All right, alkalite. - Well, this was interesting. - Yeah, slow burn, and then like an incredibly spooky, then intense, I mean, the last few minutes were holy cow. And I wanted to see him like five times on super slow-mo on a gigantic television, which I had none of the above. - Yeah, that was really creepy when he was like, loading down in the background. - Yes, like that's a little horror movie-ish. - Yes, as is his mask. But we'll go ahead and set that aside for now. We'll begin at the beginning, which is also where we end on Kofar. - On Kofar, yes. And we see Kalanaka with some of the symbols of the witches on his wall, those spirals. - So many of them. - And we had not seen Kalanaka either, in last episode, we did not, and we went back and checked this, we did not see him either within the compound in the flashback or back on the ship when the Jedi were leaving with OSHA. So Kalanaka was just kind of, we don't have a real bead on him yet. - Yeah, I hope we find out what happened in the next episode. - Yes, yes. But Kalanaka, we hardly knew you, and now you're dead. And again, that is also at the end. But at this point, he's alive, and he's clearly obsessed with this symbol because he's got it everywhere. - Yes, yes. And of course, the archeologist in me had to refresh my memory on the symbolism of spirals. - Nice. - So, I was trying to find out when the oldest spiral like petroglyphs and stuff were, and it looks like we've got some, that go back to Neolithic Europe, but we've also got some, I wanted to say it was like 14,000 years ago, in North America. - Wow. - Yeah. So, we can only guess at what the symbolism was for ancient peoples, but we know more modern peoples that the spiral is associated with transformation, infinity, growth, and even evolution. And that can be at a personal level, or it can be something bigger. Some people have posited that we see spirals in ancient arts and forms of communication because they were seeing the spiral in the natural world, and that maybe spirals meant fertility, or transformation, creation. So, yeah, that's pretty interesting stuff. That's it. - Well, I can report that there's a Nazca line spiral and so I don't know what that is, but somebody cared enough to make a gigantic spiral in Nazca line. - Yeah, that would be younger than the North American ones, yeah. - Right, right, right. That's a pretty darn good one. But what was interesting was, we've definitely seen the spiral on Mama A's head, forehead and on May's forehead, but it was interesting that Kalnaka also had some spirals that kind of were a little yin-yang-y, kind of had the centerpiece with the yin-yang symbol, so that was interesting. But this is not normal behavior that he has this pretty much wall-papering. This is an obsession he's got going on here. - Yeah, so again, once I think we find out what happened for real on Brando? - Yeah, what's interesting is so clearly, Torben was so troubled, he went into his forced meditation and drunk the poison willingly. You kind of wonder if Kalnaka also sort of just conceded, right, we don't see quite the same thing with endeara or soul, you know? They're both maybe troubled, perhaps. We don't have much on an endeara. Soul is clearly troubled, but not so much that he's wall-papering his room or putting himself into a deep and dreamless slumber. - Yeah, true. I don't know about soul yet. He was acting kind of sketchy. Well, he has acted kind of sketchy in several episodes, not just this one. But I mean, we can definitely cross him off the list as being the master. - Well, it would have been a little bit hard for him to be in two places or be in the same place. - Or at least not this guy, right? If somebody's in charge of this person, though I'm not ready to say as a guy, but somebody maybe in charge of the smiling face, the deviously smiling face helmet at the end of this episode. Yes, cannot be soul, soul. - Yes. - Agreed. - Agreed of this, we're sure. - Yes, it cannot be soul. - And it cannot be yard, or is it yard or yard? - It cannot be yard, yes, if it's you. - Can't be, can't be, Jackie. Can't be, either. - Can't be, Jackie. - May or OSHA. I'm just like, man, I kind of wanted it to be yard. But I mean, I know it seems super obvious, but I wonder if they're being super obvious to make people question that it's chimer, or chimer, however you say it's name. - It's almost too obvious. - And it's so, so, so much, and we'll touch on each of those pieces of potential evidence, but wow, they have beaten us over the head with it in this episode if it is him. - If it does turn out to be him, I mentioned it. - Oh, you did, I, you absolutely did. You immediately, when we first saw him, you indicated he was, he could be, he could be the one. So, I remember that, I remember that. We don't even need to go back and check the record. - If I turn out to be right, it might be the first time. - Well, that is far from true. - All right, well, let's kind of backtrack a bit here. - Okay, okay. Then we move on to Coruscant, and practicing defense maneuvers with sticks. And interesting that those defense maneuvers don't help them in the least in the very last seat. - True, they have blown off their, they get blown onto their butts. - Yes, yes, but I imagine they use sticks because it might be a little dangerous to use active lightsabers. - Oh, sure, sure, no, I'm totally fine with training, but you'd think they'd be even better at that defensive training, you know, these ones that are all trained up. - Yeah, well, Jackie was the only young one there, right? I mean, Yord and Sol and the other Jedi that were there. How many, I think it kind of like eight or nine Jedi? - It was a real horde, speaking of Yord. It was a real horde of Jedi. - Yes, it was Yord's horde of Jedi. - It was Yord's horde. - Yeah, it was. - All right. - Holy cow. - So yeah, it was just watching. - It was just watching. - It's leaving. - Just coming to say goodbye to Jackie. - Yeah, and-- - Which I have seen in a couple of cases that they think there's some sort of romance growing between these two, but the school, baby, I just kind of thought they were, I just kind of thought they'd struck up a friendship. I mean, OSHA, I don't know how much deep friendship either of them have, and I think they've kind of found kindred spirits, but either way, whatever the relationship is, I think it's cool. They do have some kind of additional bond that, and it's interesting that OSHA was like, yeah, I wanna make sure to say bye to Jackie. So that's-- - Right, right. Well, I think Jackie's but nothing but kind to her. So that probably has a lot to do with it too. And kindness doesn't have to equate to sexual attraction. It does not, but I mean, it makes sense, right? It's kind of arrogance of the Jedi to think that OSHA's gonna wanna help capture her sister. And so-- - I am not words. - Yeah, I'm not surprised that she doesn't wanna help, and that she's leaving. - And I feel like she gets really trapped into helping. I don't like what the techniques Sol uses to get her to agree. - Guilting her into it, basically? - Yeah, yeah, and she's like, and dangling it in front of her, I want you to come on this mission, oh, you want me to train to be a Jedi again? Oh, no, no, not that, we just wanna use you, you know? That was a little painful. - Yes, it was, it was. And yeah, it's another reason that I'm suspicious about Sol. - Yeah, he really has no problem in guilting people into doing something, you know? We're the only ones? Why he doesn't say this, but he's implying they're the only ones that are be able to save her, because whoever the other Holden, the Jedi that the council, or at least Phonestra, sends to find May, you know, he's like, Holden will possibly kill her. You and I are the only ones that can save her. - And Osha was even like, she's a killer, on her head be it, you know? It was just kind of like, I don't wanna be a part of it, but if she deserves, you know, to go, I mean, I don't know. She may have regretted that later, but she just didn't wanna be responsible. She didn't wanna be a part of it. And she was at peace with that. And he pulled her back in. But before we have that scene, we've got a little scene with May and, you know what? I have his name spelled 10 different ways. - Hymer? - What'd you say? - Hymer? Is that you're talking about? - Hymer, Hymer, is that what we're going with? Okay, Hymer, okay. I mean, I have warm ear, I have qua-mar. Hymer, Hymer, that sounds right. We have a little bit with May and Hymer here. And first suspicious piece of evidence. Hymer knows exactly the way that it worked. - Yeah, nobody else has been able to find him in what? At least six years. - But Hymer, the bumbling, blithering potion master. (laughing) - Knows exactly, knows exactly how to get there. - Yeah, yeah. - Yep. - Dad, have you ever watched The Good Place? I am going somewhere with us. - I have not watched much of it, but I've seen a handful of episodes. - Okay, so apparently, Hymer is in The Good Place. The actor who plays Hymer is in The Good Place. - I don't remember seeing him in it. But again, I've only seen a handful of episodes. - Nor do I. But apparently, if he is indeed the smiling, smiling bad guy, then this is quite a departure, by his role. - Yes, but you know, it's an actor. - Yeah, he should be able-- - He should have range. - It's called range, yes, yes. - Yeah. So it'll be interesting. I wonder if there will be-- - So that's our first suspicious piece about Hymer, as he knows exactly how to get to the wiki. - Well, I mean, I was suspicious of him right away. So for me, it's not the first. - Yes, I'm sorry, the first thing in this episode. - This episode, yes. - I mean, he did reveal a very creepy action when he said you look just like her, you know? - And that was very suspicious. So you're right, not the first suspicious thing ever, but the first suspicious thing in this episode. So then we cut to the Jedi's talking about me and who's May's master? And this is all very interesting. We hear this talking about potential splinter groups. Apparently, thanks to New Rockstar, the guy with the sort of double decker head. - Yeah, I don't remember what race he was like. Did I write down his name? - I did not write down his name, if you think of it great. But double decker head guy was apparently also seen much later in one of the... prequel, right, three that came before. - His name's Keatsy Moondie. - Keat, well done, Keaty Moondie later says, the Sith haven't been seen in thousands of years. And so if these, if this all turns out to be Sith related, then he's either smoking something or... So interesting, interesting that he is a guy that is in the room when they say Sith haven't been around. So interesting, this was all just very interesting. And it was interesting that the Nestra was like, she has been trained by a Jedi. I can see that. I don't need any other information. This is a Jedi behind this. - Yeah. You know, when you first brought up the Jedi Council and that they were talking, a little ditty popped into my head from the music man. Pick a little, duck a little, pick a little, duck a little. Talk a lot, pick a little more. - Wow. (laughs) - I think you know the music band a little bit better than I do. (laughs) - I watched it a lot when I was growing up. - Oh, okay. - So I used to really be into old musicals. Seven brothers, seven brothers, the music man, the sound of music, you know, all those older ones. - Very cool. Sorry, I was gonna ask you a question related to the accolades. - That's fine. I'm done. We are here to talk about the accolades. - Yes. But do you think Saul is actually a target? - Hmm. I don't know. May has somebody to move on him. - Yeah. - And she hasn't really talked about it. - Yeah. - I agree. And so, you know, when they kind of put up the two red ones who are dead already, and then the Wookiee, then once again, Vanessa's like in Saul, you know, but all of this is just sort of, it's sort of assumed it's Saul. - Right. Yeah, Vanessa even was getting a little suss or thinking Saul was a little suss. - Oh yeah, she was pissed. She was like, why didn't you tell me? - Right. - That May could be alive. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And he claimed no one. He claimed no one could have survived that fall. - Oh yeah. - That was his claim. - Yeah. - So, Vanessa fears May is part of a bigger plan. - Mm-hmm. - So, this is all very interesting. - Well, I think she's being kind of the Yoda fill in. - Yeah. - Not just that she's green, but she's like a big picture kind of gal. - Mm-hmm, but she is green. So, that is also an important factor. - Yes, so I guess you gotta be, if you're gonna be super, super wise in the Jedi verse, you gotta be green. So yes, I totally lost where we were at. What were we talking about? - Well, we were just talking about Vanessa and fearing that May was part of a bigger plan and very angry at soul, yes. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, in the next scene? - Yeah. - When we're back on Kofar? And I saw those, what to me, looked like ink and agricultural terraces in the background. - Oh yes, I remember you mentioning that 'cause we actually watched this episode together in person. - We did, we did. - Which is the first one we've done so far? - Yes, but once I found out that this was filmed on Madeira Island, I looked up their agricultural practices and they too do terracing. So makes sense. - Nice work. - Nice work, that's awesome. - I'm sure everybody's super excited about it, but well, I am. - Good. - And I witnessed it. You were like, yeah, that looks like the terracing of the Incas. Okay, all righty. - So we've got more suspicious behavior by chimer. How can you kill a Jedi without a weapon? You know, blah, blah, blah. - And then when he's asked, what do you, what is he making you do or whatever? And he's like, he collects people. What do you mean, what does he collects people? - Well, yeah, I don't know what that means. - Yeah, kinder, oh boy. - He's their son. - I don't know, man. - So sus, I mean, just over the top sus. - The entire time, like every word out of his mouth. - Yeah, and it's so obvious, you know, I think many people might think that he's the red herring, but I think they're more subtle with their red herrings. - Yeah. - You know? - Maybe they're just so close to revealing it. - Yeah, that could be, that could be. - We'll see. - The body shape was about right. I didn't really get a good chance to kind of look at the height thing between him. - Yeah, but he was, he is pretty slight. This person looks like a pretty slight person. This is not a gigantic, a gigantic person. - Yeah. And you know, it's even in this scene, you can start to see that May is getting a little suspicious of Kymer. - Yes, yes. Understandably, because every word out of his mouth is suspicious. - Yeah, like, why would the potions master know that stuff? It's weird. - And then we're back on, go ahead. - Yeah, back on, for a son. - And Pip is all refurbished. - Cute. - Yeah, and then she's intercepted by Sol and he lays on the guilt trip. - Wow. - Wants are for this mission, not as a Jedi. - Yeah. - Yeah, the guilt like, well, this is just gonna die if it's not us, because it's not us. They're just gonna kill her. - Yeah, and her throwback, of course, to Luke when he says they're still good in her. - Right. - But he was right about Darth Vader. And I think Sol is right about May. - Yes. - Well, clearly she's ready to turn herself in. - Yeah, I still think Ocean's gonna end up being the acolyte. - Well, you could well be right. - At least, I'll train her. - Yeah. - Yeah, okay, that's where I'm going right now. - Yeah, I have Sol is a bit of an emotional manipulator under statement much, huge emotional manipulator. - Yes, yeah. - And so then we beat Basil. - Yeah, the tip monkey, ottery looking thing. - The tracker, the tracker, the tracker named Basil. Of course, later on, I was wondering, and then we talked about this briefly, when we were watching the episode, was he actually trying to track Calnaca? Or was he trying to track May? - I feel like I figured that out. - Do you, okay. - Yeah, I think, you know, your can understand Basil's language. And so I think that absolutely he was tracking Calnaca. - Okay. - But that he saw May right in front of him. So I think whatever he hollered out was like, I found the girl, you know. And so I think since your could understand his language, that's why. - Okay. - It just was an incidental finding. - Got it, got it, an accident in the forest. - Yeah. - How to be careful in the forest, it's easy to have accidents. - You know, these Jedi have got to keep better tabs on their people. I mean, Calnaca's apparently been MIA for a year. - They should have gone to the potions master. - Well, what, you see her? I mean, what the heck? 'Cause the potion master knows exactly where he is. - Mm-hmm. - He's suspicious. So I don't think these Jedi are keeping very good tabs on their people. - No. - Especially the ones having PTSD. - Mm-hmm. - Yeah. It seems like, well, I mean, crap. What was his name? (upbeat music) - Torben. - Torben. - Torben, yeah. - Didn't technically leave the Jedi, but in all intents and purposes, left the Jedi. Calnaca left the Jedi. What's with all these Jedi leaving? - Did he really leave him? Wasn't he sort of stationed on Kofar or requested to be stationed on Kofar? - Did he? - Well, I guess it is sort of like a retreat planet. - Yeah. - I don't know. - I mean, he went home. I mean, how many Jedi? I was just gonna say, how many Jedi actually go home, but then of course, Luke goes back several times and Anakin goes back. So yeah, I wanna retract that silly statement. - But Sol just senses Calnaca's in the forest, so that's great. So, you know, we've got a tracker and we've got Sol who can just sort of feel him out. So-- - Yeah, that's great. That's fantastic. - Yeah, yeah. - Oh, I did find it pretty, you're to kind of brush it off, but I thought it was pretty powerful that Osha said to your listen, if this goes south, you gotta kill Mae 'cause I won't be able to do it. I thought that was very insightful of Osha about herself. - Yeah, very honest. Yeah, very honest and very, yeah, I want Mae to live, but I know she's dangerous. She's killed two Jedi masters already. So, you know, you gotta have my back here, yord. - Yeah. - So I don't know if he really came through on saying he had her back, but I really appreciated that Osha asked him. - Yeah, I thought that was pretty interesting. And I was wondering, is it foretelling something or foreshadowing something? - Yeah, yeah, feels very foreshadowing. - Yeah, I mean-- - Very telescoping. - Maybe Mae does get killed and that's why Osha becomes the acolyte. Just sends her over. - Yeah, well, Mae wants out anyway. Mae's done. - Mae's done. - Yeah, yeah. - Put me into this episode. - So question for you. So in this scene where they're walking through the trees with the pregnant, you know, with the insects wrapped around. Basil says, well, yord says, Basil says he smells something rotten. Now, one could say it's these insect things, but did you think maybe it was something else in the forest like-- - Yeah. - Yeah. - I thought it was something else. - Yeah, me too. I think those insects were incidental. I don't think they had anything to do with what he was smelling. - I don't know if it's smelling the master. - The master, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I think that's quite possible. - Yeah. - But-- - So Basil's fancy. - Yeah, he is handy. - Oh, yeah, yeah. - The umber moths that were attracted to light, I read that as a reference back to the glow moths on, what is it, Brandock? Is that the name of their planet? - Bet, oh, geez. Let me see if I can find it, but go ahead. I know exactly the creatures you're talking about. - Well, that's just it. I thought it was just a reference back to the glow moths, but OSHA kind of looked like she was gonna kill, and then May definitely looked like she was gonna kill, but OSHA did get this moth killed, which she even mentions later. - Yes, and feels pretty bad about it. - Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. So did you find it? - Brynndock is what I have. - Brynndock, Brynndock, Brynndock. - Well, maybe by the eighth episode, I'll actually remember. - Yeah, yeah, it could well be. - So I feel like these moths have to come into play, right? There's a bajillion of them. And that one was sort of disturbed, but then attracted to the light, but all these lightsabers come out at the end. I wonder if somehow in the next episode, the Jedi are gonna get away just because of an onslaught of umbermas. - Oh. - The master's just like, I'm out of here. (laughs) - Could be, I hadn't thought about that. That would be interesting. But I was a little concerned about Cheki. I mean, you know, she's like, we're defined by what we survive, and she really is Jedi, right? 'Cause she doesn't really exhibit any kind of remorse. - Worse. - Yeah, or anything about that moth being sliced in two. But, I don't know. - That's what Jedi are supposed to do, right? Be kind of above that and put it aside. - Yeah, yeah. And it's an honor to witness the transition into the force. - Yeah. - It makes me feel like Cheki hasn't seen a whole lot of death. - Well, she's still a padawan. - Yeah, yeah. - I wonder where yours padawan is. That was such cool makeup. It's only ever in that one scene. - Yeah. It's a good point. - I love that makeup. That was amazing. - Dang. - All right. - Yeah. - That's a man. Yeah. - Okay. - Okay. - That's a man, Kaimar. - Yeah. So Kaimar wants to hurry. Why? Why do you think Kaimar is in such a hurry? Okay. So we have a couple of things going on. It's almost dark, right? So maybe he knows something is not too good about when it turns dark. Maybe he knows the Jedi are there. Maybe he knows the master's there. - Yeah. - Lots of things that he could maybe want. Maybe he knows he's the master. And he just wants to get this thing done. - Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, if he is the master, of course he would sense the Jedi. The yourds horde of Jedi arriving. Yeah. - So he would want to hurry. - Yeah. - Just weird. He's rushing her, and then he's like, "No, no, you do need to rest. You're losing your focus. I'll go get you some, get you some to wet your whistle." - Yeah. I'm thinking this final lesson, did you understand all of that? I mean, no. And Mays basically says it's something that you have to teach yourself, right? Or something to do that effect. But it's all, I mean, I don't get this kill a Jedi without a weapon. And then I have, but equal sign, goes against all the Jedi stand for. But I don't really understand, number one, why I wrote it down, 'cause I don't remember. And so, two, I don't know what the significance of it is. And why that killing something without a weapon would go against the Jedi, 'cause they, I mean, in the future, right? They force choke shit all the time. I don't have force choked against enough. Do you think, do you think, I just suddenly analyze the phrase to kill a Jedi without a weapon? And so, I've been thinking it is, so to not use a weapon to kill a Jedi. Could it be to kill an unarmed Jedi? Could it be to kill a Jedi without a weapon? (laughs) That doesn't have their weapon. And so to kill an, oh, and so then it becomes to kill an unarmed bow. Yeah. Goes against what the Jedi. Oh. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. That makes sense. Oh. And so, that would be. I hadn't thought of that telling just now, but that would go against everything the Jedi believe in, right? Yep, yep. Ah. Nice. Yeah, that's nice. And of course, if you did that, that would be a truly evil act, right? Kill somebody that can't defend themselves. Makes me wonder if Kalnaka had his weapon when he got the slash. Oh. Well, didn't boss posit that Kalnaka killed himself? Oh. Yeah, he might have. Gosh, wow, that's dark. But I don't remember seeing Kalnaka's lightsaber anywhere around in that scene. Mm-mm, I don't need there. And I don't think, I think like Torbin, he wouldn't have fought back. Oh, and by the way, I don't know if you remember the first time we were introduced to Torbin. I said, wasn't there a character on the Walking Dead with that name? It was Tobin. It was Tobin. Oh, close. Very close. (laughs) All right, I just thought I'd throw that in there. Okay, very good, very good. Bring it back, bring it back. (laughs) I did love Yord's line. I swear we need a tracker, just to track our tracker. (laughs) Yeah, that was-- Well, pretty good. Well done, Yord. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. So Mae does a total turnaround. Yep. She sets a trap. Burke. Oh, now I forgot his name again. Kimer, Kimer sets a trap for Kimer. And everybody hears, right? Everybody hears her scream to bring him running. And she tells him his plan. I'm gonna surrender to Killmaka. I'm gonna turn myself into the Jedi. Oh, she'll be in a live change, is everything? I'm done with this. Yeah. I don't know why we had to tramp through the forest for this whole day first, but-- What's the exposition for? Why does she have to open her mouth and tell him all this? Great question. It's like, girl, just go do your business. But the most suspicious thing, well, not suspicious, but the thing I have a question about that she says is, 'cause he says, you know, they're gonna imprison you. You know? And she says, not after I tell them who I know. But I thought she didn't know-- What does she know? Kimer. Oh, is she our-- Oh. Or maybe she has a suspicion. Kimer. Well, maybe she knows that-- Oh, crap. Maybe she's figured out that he is the master. Well, maybe, but, I mean, I think she has her suspicions, but not Mama Anise, say-- Yeah. Mama, the other one. Who are we? Yeah, I think. Maybe she's still alive. Yeah. Maybe she is gonna give her up or something. Maybe she thinks. Oh. Okay, so maybe it doesn't have anything to do with the master. Just maybe Mother Coral is the one who saved her back on Friendock. And maybe, oh, maybe Mother Coral is the one that put the whammy on Kalnaka and Torbin. And made them fight one another. Which, of course-- We haven't seen. We haven't seen, but all these yahoos on YouTube of-- Look at the trailers. Spoiled it, yeah. Anyway, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. Yeah, because I totally agree. It seems like she does not know, at least as of the episode where Sol was digging into her mind. She didn't know who her master was, but she feels like she knows who someone is. That would be very useful. That they would be cool with. And I don't think it's because she knows that Kaimir is the master, because then she would know better than thinking just hanging him upside down was gonna do the trick. I mean, she looks truly terrified when she's hiding from him. That's true. In the master's place. Exactly, right, right. So maybe she knows Kaimir is something more important or whatever, but I don't think at that moment she thinks Kaimir is the master, because then she's like, he's here, you know, and she would have known he was here if she was-- Yeah, yeah. Huh, yeah. So that's, I really wanted, that was one of my, there's two critical things from this episode, and one of them is, who does she know? Yeah, now I'm pondering. I have to ponder more after we finish recording. Okay. (laughs) But I mean, the only person I can think of is Coral. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like maybe she, yeah, I agree with you. That could be something significant, because somehow Mae was taken care of on that planet. Yeah. Or somehow she was saved from the fall. So it does seem like at least one of the coven survived. And maybe she thinks that giving that person up is leverage. Yeah. I don't know why her motivation, what her motivation would be to give her up, but-- Yeah, yeah. Now also, Saul seemed to sense something as they were getting closer to Konaka's place, and Osh is like, he says it's nothing, right? But I was like, what does he sense? Does he sense that Konaka's dead? It's something that's happened to him. I wonder, and it goes since the dark bores. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, but-- Baby Saul knows who the master is. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I thought it was like kind of, I mean, if I was Osh, I'd be really pissed. If somebody said to me, right before you're going into it, could potentially be a very dangerous situation that nobody knows if they're gonna come out alive in. And he's like, I'll tell you when we get May back to the ship. No doubt. And that's the other thing. We need to know, 'cause what is he need to tell her? Because we haven't seen it. Whatever it is, we haven't seen it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he knows more. That's the other thing. So what does May, who does May know, and what was Saul going to tell Osh, if this conversation happens or not, what was he not telling her in that moment? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we've been saying for a while now that Saul knows much more than he's saying. Yeah. Yeah. But I just wanna know what it is already. Yeah. Hey, little buddy. (laughing) Yeah. I just like that. And May gets a face full of pollen. (laughing) And he's just like, "Hey little buddy." (laughing) I think, because I don't know, in my mind, but putting many different series together and stuff like this, I'm less Hara Hara Jedi and, you know, boo, everybody else. Yeah. Yeah. And this series is a kind of solidified that for me. We've come for your children. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so Basil calls out the alarm. Yes. And May gets in to Kelmaka's place and discovers he is dead. And so, of course, she's gonna look suspicious because he's dead. Right. And we see that it does appear like a lightsaber wound right across the chest. Yep. And May knows, right before she sees the down float, May, I think as soon as she sees Kelmaka, May's like the master's here. Right. But then the question she must've been asked is, why did he tell me he knew where Kalnaka was? Oh, yeah, to see the little son of a gun. (laughs) But then we have, and I have not written very much about this scene, but oh my gosh. Him floating down. Yeah. Or her. Yeah. Have we seen such just Levitt's flying, just Superman landing kind of things before? I'm trying to remember if you know, I'd seen Darth Vader do that in any of the animated, but you know, since I've only watched those once, I'm not quite as steeped in them, but I don't remember it from any of the live action stuff. Okay. But I don't know if it's in the third trilogy or not, 'cause again, I've only seen those movies once. I need to re-watch those. But I don't remember it from those either. I mean, the power of this smiley guy. Yeah. I mean, literally taps. Taps OSHA away. Yeah, with the flick. And then nearly takes the mountain down, blowing this whole line of Jedi back. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And then terrifying. Yeah, yeah. No wonder May looks scared shitless. Yeah. If he can blow all those Jedi away, what's she gonna do? Yeah, yeah. I mean, that is a creepy AF mask. Yes. Reminding me a little bit of something, but I couldn't remember. I mean, 'cause it looked like the mouth was almost a zipper, but yeah, studded with some type of metal. Yeah, almost like a Tim Burton kind of character or something, you know, from Nightmare before Christmas. Maybe that's it. Oh, that's what I'm thinking of. It's creepy. Yeah. And in the red light of the lightsaber, oops. Yeah, when he floats down, it's very vampiric. Yeah. You don't want to see dracula floating down. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And then fade to black. Not even fade, just cut to black. Yes, end of episode. It was such a short episode. Oh, couldn't have gone a little bit longer and answered some questions for us, dammit. I mean, it was such a good ending. It really was a great, I mean, of course, it made me just immediately want to watch the next episode. So hats off on that. But I kind of wish more would have happened in the episode. Yeah. Yeah, no, I liked the episode again. I'm still not connected with any character. Mm-hmm. Maybe basil. Oh, yeah. Hey, little buddy. Hey, little buddy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so I think it's going to be interesting to see where this goes. Mm-hmm. So I'm intrigued enough out to keep up with the story. Yes. But I really would like to still connect with a character. Yeah, I'm liking both me and OSHA. I'm digging them now. I like sisters. Well, time will tell. Time will tell. Time will tell. We'll tell. All right, so I guess if you don't have anything else-- I think that does it for me. All right, then, all that's left to do is say goodbye. Thanks for listening, everybody. But I don't know. But that's what's just jic-a jic-a jic-a jic-a jic-a jic-a jic-a jic-a jic-a jic-a jic-a jic-a jic-a jic-a jic-a jic-a jic-a jic-a jic-a jic-a jic-a jic-a jic-a jic-a jic-a jic. Wallowing in the shallows is created and produced by the both of us. Edited by Mo, the soundtrack for the Wallowing in the Shallows, the Acolyte Season 1 is Star War-style battle music by Luis Humanoid, available on Pixabay.com. 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