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Taylor Cormier: John O'Keefe's Brother Paul O'Keefe Speaks Out | 7.5.24 - The Grace Curley Show Hour 2
In the aftermath of the Karen Read mistrial decision, the family of deceased police officer John O'Keefe, understandably, still doesn't feel justice was served. Taylor Cormier, Grace's Executive Producer who has followed the trial since Day 1, plays some audio from Paul O'Keefe's interview with CBS Boston.
- Duration:
- 38m
- Broadcast on:
- 05 Jul 2024
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- mp3
Today's podcast is brought to you by the Thunderstorm Air Purifier. BOGO is back for one week to order. Go to eatimpurdeals.com and putting code word grace BOGO. Live from the Aviva Trataria studio, it's the Grace Curly show. We've got to bring in a new voice, a young voice, a rising voice, Grace Curly. You can read Grace's work in the Boston Herald and the spectator. Well, you don't want too much grace. Here's the millennial with the mic. Grace Curly, Grace Curly, Grace Curly, Grace Curly. Let's bring in the host of the Grace Curly show, Grace Curly. You either have grace or you don't. Especially Grace, Grace stand up. Grace Curly. I feel horrible. I feel terrible. I teased something in the last hour and never ever played it. So I'm going to start off this hour with what I teased last hour. And that is Joe Biden, either yesterday or late the day before, was conducting. Well, he was part of a radio interview at a Philadelphia radio station and he was just riffing, I guess. This is what happens when you don't have a clear agenda, a clear path to victory, a clear anything. You're not clear-eyed as KJP put it the other day about anything. This is Joe Biden on this Philadelphia radio station, touting his record as, well, I mean, what he's accomplished in his administration and in his political career, you're going to hear some breaking news right here, folks. Cut seven. I'm glad I'm proud to be, as I said, the first vice president, the first black woman, served with a black president, proud of the first black woman in the Supreme Court. There's just so much that we can do because together we, there's nothing. Look, this is the United States, America. There's that line again. There it is. Look, this is the United States. That's the go-to line. Joe, you lose your place. Go right back to this is the United States of America. That's just, it's encompassing. That's it. That's the play. But he said, let's just play the first part of that one more time in case you missed it. I'm glad I'm proud to be, as I said, the first vice president, the first black woman, served with a black president. All right, that's it. I'm proud, as I said, to be the first vice president, the first black woman to serve with a black president. It's like a Venn diagram where Joe is in the middle, Barack Obama is on the left side, and Kamala Harris is on the right side. Where does Kamala Harris come in? Black woman vice president. No, that's Joe. Joe's the black woman vice president. Oh, yeah. He said that. He said, I'm proud to be, look, the first vice president, black female vice president to serve as I said, the first vice president or black woman, first black woman, black president to serve with a black president. He was the first black woman to serve with a black president. As far as I know, Kamala Harris wasn't the first black woman to serve with a black president. So in either scenario, Joe's black is what he's saying. He's either a black woman or he's a black president. Either way you spin that. This is what we're, we talk about. This is what we mean when we say the guy can't put a sentence together. This is the prime example. He cannot put a sentence together because even if that's, you want one of those two things to be true, either he's a black woman, vice president, or he was referring to a black woman, vice president as Kamala Harris. And if that's the road you want to go down, he is the black president that he was saying that Kamala Harris has served with. That's it. Choose your fighter. That's, that's the context. This is the man that's about to give a speech in Madison, Wisconsin. This is the man that is going to be interviewed by George Stephanopoulos. Who should probably open with, are you a black woman? I'm not a biologist, Mr. President, but are you a black female? Are you a black male? Because one of those things has to be true in order for your comments on that radio station in Philadelphia over the past day to make sense. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You say, oh, Taylor, but that must have been the only bad thing he said out of that interview. There's not any way, shape or form that he could have said anything else bewildering. And I say, nay, nay, you have not been listening. You have not been listening to the show. You've not been listening to Joe Biden. You are a newcomer. You are a plebe. This is another gav on that same interview. Cut eight. I remember as a Catholic kid growing up in an area where we didn't like Catholic didn't get a lot. I'm the first president to elect the statewide and the state of Delaware when I was a kid. Well, you know, I was, I looked at John Kennedy and said, well, he got elected. Why can't I get elected? I was the first president to get elected statewide in Delaware when I was a kid. Explain that one to me. I came up with two options for the black female versus black president scenario. Did he get elected president as a kid? Did he only get elected president in one state? I don't, I can't slice that one together. I can't do it. There's not enough stitches in the hospitals in our area in order to make this work. 844-542-42. Gary, thanks for hanging on your next on the Grace Curly show. Go ahead, Gary. You know how he's always rambling and he gets off on his tangents, like you said, if there were more one, and he realizes he's lost it. Right. He goes back and saved in America and like just young America, people all democracy. There, this is seeing from Wayne's, Billin has Edsley adventure, that movie, remember? Oh, yeah. This is one, there's a football to try to make a speech about history. And he's obviously ill prepared, doesn't know what he's doing, standing in front of the whole audience in his mumbling, history, old things, and he realizes his heads are lost. They're just bored. It's just sitting the day by yelling, "San Dimas Kupo of rocks, yeah." I mean, just what Biden always reminds me of, what he says, "I've lost it, America, democracy." Well, I mean, and even more, I think, relevant or more current, I should say, analogy is a family guy. There's a family guy character. There's a scene where Lois Griffin is running for mayor. This is in the earlier seasons of family guys. So I mean, it's not that current relevance, probably almost 20 years ago, but she's running for mayor of Kohag, Rhode Island, and she doesn't know what her platform is supposed to be. So she's out there, you know, screaming the typical stuff of taxes, blah, blah, blah, and this, and it's boring, everybody. And then she is asked a question, and she responds, "9/11 was bad," and everybody cheered. Everybody loved that because we could all agree, "9/11 was bad," and then the next question has nothing to do with 9/11. She got her responses, "9/11," and everybody cheers. It doesn't matter what she says. As long as she's saying something with the letters 9 and 11 in the response, it's going to get a favorable return, and that's exactly what Joe Biden has been taught, apparently. If you say, "Look, we're the United States of America," that can apply to anything. It can be a positive, it can come right after a negative, and totally contradict the point that you were trying to make about some other person. It could be anything. It means nothing the way he says it. That's just the talking point that he's been giving. This is ... Donald Trump was caught, I think this was Wednesday afternoon. He was on the golf course, I think this was in Bedminster, and he's driving down to the golf cart, not taking Joe's advice and carrying the bag the whole way. By the way, you only do that if you can't afford the cart, or nobody really wants to walk the whole way, right? When I was a kid going golfing, we couldn't afford the cart, so we walked, and it was fine. You know, carry your own bag, whatever, but you take the cart, please. It speeds up play for everybody else, and it's just fun. Trump was in the cart, and he comes up to a couple of guys that are working the course on the side, groundskeepers, I don't know what they were, tournament coach. I have no idea what they were, but one of them decided to keep the phone halfway out of his pocket, aimed at Trump as he was talking to them, because he just wanted to catch this interaction and tell all his friends, but it went viral. He tips him, he gives him a tip, and he, how do you think I did in the debate fellas? Let's listen to it. This is- How did I do with the debate the other night? It's amazing. He's got that old broken down pile, if you're at it, yeah, it's a bad guy. He just squint, you know. He's squinting the wrist. Is that right? Yep. I got him out of it. Right. And that means we have Kamala. I think she's gonna be better. She's so bad. She's so pathetic. It's so nice. It's just so f***ing bad, so... I just can't imagine that. But can you imagine that guy with the deal with Putin and the president of China, who's a fierce person, he's a fierce man, a very tough guy, and they've seen him, they probably wouldn't. They can't. But they just announce he's probably quitting. Thank you. Yeah. That's amazing. He just keeps knocking him out, right? I like that about Trump. He's able to talk to anybody. That's fine. Great. Biden can't do that. Biden can't drive a ball more than 50 yards. He can't even have a meaningful, short conversation with a couple of strangers. Trump can do that, but that's funny. I don't know if Trump has some inside information if Biden's actually quitting. It doesn't appear that Biden's received that news himself yet, but he says he's staying in there. He sent out an email Wednesday nights to all of his supporters saying, let me make this perfectly clear, I'm running. And that was that. And even getting onto Air Force One today, he was asked by the pool if he was still running. And he said, or if he could beat Trump and he said, yes. So he's, he's still believing he's still holding out hope that he is going to beat Trump. But this, this could be like a Ruth Bader Ginsburg situation, where you have somebody that was so old. And by the way, that was the Obama administration's fault. You have somebody that was so old and they did not relinquish power in time and they cost a very high profile position because she ended up dying under the Trump administration. And he was able to fill that vacancy. 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Take advantage of the Bogo deal right now by going to Edenpuredeals.com and using code gracebogo. Hurry, these Bogo deals don't last long. I'm Taylor Cormier, this is The Grace Curly Show. Hi, it's Toby from Cape Gun Works. I'm taking all your firearm and self-defense questions every Tuesday. Join Grace and me for 2 a Tuesday, Tuesdays at 2 p.m. This is The Grace Curly Show. 508 says Biden's handicap is six, probably down to four by now. These are the facts. Check them out. I'm sorry, 508, that I ever doubted. Joe Biden's golfing prowess, 978, Joe Biden couldn't roll, couldn't roll a marble, geesh. I bet he, I bet one of his childhood favorite games was marbles and jacks, something like that. He seems like a jacks kind of guy. 844-542-42, today's poll question is brought to you by JJ Manning auctioneers, whether residential, commercial or land, JJ Manning can get your property sold now to learn more contact Charlie Gill at 800-521-0111 or jjmanning.com with over 16,000 sales and satisfied clients. You can be the next one. Emma, what's today's poll question and what are the results thus far today's poll question is why couldn't the holdouts in the Karen Reed trial vote not guilty. They didn't like Karen's expressions throughout the trial. They didn't think there was enough exculpatory evidence. They let feelings get in the way of facts or they were influenced to hold out. I think they let feelings get in the way of facts. That choice is in second place with 36%. They were influenced to hold out is leading with 54% and in third with 7% is they didn't like Karen's facial expressions. Yeah, we'll talk about that. I think in the next couple of segments here about Paul O'Keefe's interview with CBS Boston on Wednesday that it was released and he had a lot to say, a lot to say about Karen Reed about the trial, his faith in Adam Lally, his friendship with the McCabe's and the Alberts. It's quite something. I did not expect to see him interview but he gave a quite lengthy one so we'll talk about that coming up soon. You're next on the Grace Curly Show. Go ahead, Nick. Hi, real quick being, since you just mentioned it, I have a quick comment on Paul O'Keefe when I'm done. Okay, happy time of the month. Jobs report. The official one isn't really, oh, yet, it ends in a couple of days. However, as usual, they're bragging about 206,000 jobs they created. They're always talking about percentage, which is just only a few thousand less and less, et cetera. Bottom line is this, it's always the same. You cannot believe their numbers but what you can believe are the lies that they're telling you. What do I mean? 206,000 jobs lost, a scootie created. What they don't mention is 953,000 jobs, initial jobless claims. These are people who have lost their jobs and they're putting in claims for that month. And how does it go for a month? I'll bet you anything anybody wants to bet. It'll be four and a half to five times or more every month. The number of jobs are lost. So when there's bum, said he creates 206,000 jobs, they're lost 953,000. Okay. Yeah, I know. Nick, I don't want to get too much into the numbers here because it puts a lot of people to sleep to be frank. But as far as unemployment, it's risen to 4.1%, which is the highest since November of 2021, I'm more apt to believe Joe Biden when he says I've created 15,000 jobs than when he says I've created 15 million. The numbers aren't there. The last round of jobless claims that jobs created rather was revised down by 111,000. So you're hearing 206,000 now. You wait until next month until those numbers are revised to account for the actual details that are supposed to be included. They do this. I've always said, Nick, numbers, it's you can interpret them to mean anything you want them to. So that's exactly what I mean, and they'll play that until the end of the day. They will always play the odds on the numbers and you believing them. Rob, you're next on the Grace Curly Show. Go ahead, Rob. Hey, how you doing? Great. Anyway, I just wanted to mention that I firmly believe if Biden dropped out, it's going to be because of Zelensky, because I honestly believe that Zelensky is the key to sinking Joe Biden and his whole family. Well, how do you get to Zelensky if we've given him an untold billions of dollars? Exactly. You don't think Zelensky has, everybody believes that, it was a payoff. So if everybody believes that it's a payoff, then... Right, but what I'm saying, Rob, is the gravy train is still flowing over to Ukraine. I don't think Zelensky is going to give up with the goods on Biden as long as that train is flowing. And by then, it'll be too late. Live from the Aviva Trattria Studio. Welcome back to the Grace Curly Show. I don't know why I just thought this, but I want to count on how many times Waffle House was used in a press conference on Wednesday by Korean Jean-Pierre. I think that it would be a record amount of times that the Waffle House has been mentioned in an official capacity in the White House on a hot mic, at least three times. I'm getting through it from the transcript here. At least three times Waffle House was mentioned. Does that include the abbreviation Waffle? I'm not sure how that would be spelled. No, there's no such a breed. Is there a really? Waffle, yeah. Waffle? I suppose. Where's your Waffle? Well, Joe Biden said, "Ho, ho, ho" yesterday is that? Is that a looting? I enjoy a good Waffle House meal. I don't know about it. You know, call me crazy. I'll take Waffle House over I-HOP any day. No trip down south is complete for me without a stop to the Waffle House. I love it. The food's made for you right there. It's like Jim Gaffigan said. It reminds you of childhood. It's this older guy who's smoking a cigarette while he's pouring the eggs on the griddle, and maybe that's not how you grew up. Come to think of it. That's not how I grew up either. But it's a good joke. I like the Waffle House. Everything's made right in front of you. The only thing is they don't have iced coffee. Nowhere down south is iced coffee, and that's just a shame. We've got to reform these people. Joe, you're next on the Grey's Curly Show. Go ahead, Joe. Hey, thanks, Taylor. Take my call. Great job. Thanks. Two quick points. Number one, the reason Biden and his little entourage of minions have taken so long is because they don't know what to do with the campaign money. And he's probably making a deal on how much he's going to walk away with to be--he drops out or resigns or--I'm sure there's different scales of payment. And I know one thing, when Ted Kennedy gave up his feed or passed away, his wife got $45 to $50 million in the campaign communications and she was able to park it while we walked around and spent money on the Kennedy Library. Number two, Waffle is the perfect description of what the Biden administration--I'm surprised he doesn't hold his prep costs in the Waffle House because it'll explain his dialogue. That's a pretty good comparison there, Joe. That's what they do. They Waffle. They flip-flop. You know, first it was he has a cold and then it was, "No, we didn't say that. You said that." And now we're just saying what you said, don't look at us and say, "You know, come on." And now it's jet lag. That was his poor performance explanation. And then there's over-preparation was the other reason. It's wild. It's wild stuff. I don't know. Joe seems to want to stay in the race. I think this was--my thinking is the Dems want him out. There's no question about that. They want him out. And they were going to let him do the debate because they knew how he would do. They knew it would be a poor performance by Joe and it would finally convince him that it's time to go. But they've never dealt, apparently, with people in his state of mind. They become stubborn, stuck in their ways. They don't want anything to do with you. Get out. I know what I'm doing. That kind of mentality. So they're going to have to force them out a different way. How they do that? I'm not sure. Bring up some dirt. Let some prosecutions go forward. I don't know. But I don't think they're going to let Joe go on much longer. I really don't. I don't see him lasting through the summer. 844-542-42, Leslie, you're next on The Grace Curly Show. Go ahead, Leslie. Hi, Taylor. Thanks for taking my call. Sure. Biden isn't going to last. I know the disease very well. I've had four people in my health died from that disease. It's awful. Yeah. Um, with Karen Reid, I was very surprised and learned that she was a teacher at Bentley University. And her father, I think, was the dean or something over there, a very high-profile position. Right. Um, I don't think there's going to be another trial. I think they're going to offer her a plea deal. Well why would she take a plea deal though, Leslie? I mean, she's, if you're looking at this honestly and objectively, this trial proved her innocence beyond a shadow of a doubt. Well, yes, it probably did, but you can't fight these people. I remember a long time ago I got pulled over by a state trooper and I took the ticket to court and he harassed me for five years. Um, well, I mean, this is, this is kind of what they're doing to Trump, isn't it? It's law fair. You know, keep them in court, keep the proceedings going, keep the campaign funds drying up so that they have to pay for legal fees and things of that nature. Um, Alan Jackson does not come cheap, David Yannetti, I'm sure does not come cheap. Uh, you know, it's, it's hours and hours and hours of preparation and then throughout the trial process and the best that the prosecution could come up with the best that the common well, got back on a return for their money was a hung jury. And it's, it's just a shame that that, that happened and that's what the poll question is and hopefully you, you voted Leslie at a grace curly show.com and today's poll question. It has to do with just that, why the jury, uh, ended up the way they did. But thank you very much for the call that, that brings us to this interview that Paul O'Keeffe, the brother of John O'Keeffe did with CBS Boston. And pretty interesting, I listened to the entire thing twice and he had some interesting things to say about the trial, about a Karen Reed and what he saw from where he was sitting each and every day in court that he could make it. And it was, uh, it was an interesting, uh, perspective. You know, when I was watching the trial, I didn't know at the beginning where the O'Keeffe stood, but as we got closer and closer to the end of the trial, it became much more apparent that they were siding with the prosecution and that they believed Karen Reed was absolutely guilty. And I thought that maybe some of the members of the O'Keeffe family had seen the light throughout the way, especially when Jen McCabe was up there on the stand and her story kept changing and evolving as she was up there and she was becoming more and more defiant with the cross of the defense. It was, uh, there's so many points where you could have said, well, that had to open your eyes to something, right? But apparently not the Paul, I'm not here to criticize him. I know his family is dealing with the unspeakable tragedy of losing two adult children in a short amount of time, a relatively speaking. This is, no parent should have to outlive their children. An awful thing in the manner both of which were taken from them. Um, I just really hope that he is able to, and the family is able to look at this more objectively because it doesn't seem to me, and again, I can't speak to them and, and what they, they have seen and what they have heard and who they're influenced by. I think the, the McCalberts have really got their clutches on them, but they seem to have had their minds made up from, from the word go. This was the beginning, beginning of the interview, Paul O'Keeffe with CBS Boston, Christina Rex cut 11. Do you feel comfortable telling me just from all that you've learned over the last two and a half years, like what you think happened that night? Oh, we, we know what happened. Um, we know that Johnny and Karen were arguing, it was, um, towards the end of their relationship. Things weren't well, um, you know, they were drinking and arguing and fighting, and you know, in an intoxicated state of rage and jealousy. She just decided that she was going to do something about it and, you know, put the car on reverse and ran them down and left them there to die. I mean, that was the state story, and that's what they're sticking with. That's, that's the narrative that they're going to continue with if they actually do retry this. But that's a lot to believe after sitting through that trial and listening to all of the testimony and still coming out on the other side saying that's how it happened. That's exactly how officer or trooper Joseph Paul said it happened that Karen Reed hit him at 24, 26 miles an hour and only, only hit his arm to cause all of those injuries to his arm though he was, he was wearing a, a jacket, I believe, and caused him to first his arm dragged along the shattered tail light enough to cause, uh, bruises and, and lacerations all down his bicep and towards his upper part of his forearm. And after that, he was launched, he turned and was launched bodily 30 feet onto the lawn. I mean, that takes a lot to believe no matter what side you're on, that's a lot of faith. I mean, if you believe in that and you're an atheist, you got some deep soul searching to do my friend. That is, and what the defense came up with their expert witnesses, the, uh, the arche experts saying that that's completely impossible and by the way, even if it did happen in that manner, Karen Reed's Lexus would have sustained a lot more damage. So Paul O'Keefe was also asked, you know, what does it say to you that, uh, people think differently about this case, cut 17. The story on the defense's side is not just, oh, she didn't do it. It's she didn't do it. And all these other people did. Yeah. I mean, she's pointing the finger at everybody. Everyone's, everyone's lying except for her going to her. Um, I think we had 67 witnesses, um, testify 68, I'm sorry, testify. Um, and according to them, they're all lying and they're not credible and, you know, um, which I mean, those first responders, um, that were just doing their job that day. Jen McCabe, Kerry Roberts, all they did was pick up the phone and help because she was asking for help. And according to them, the only one telling the truth is her. Right. And let's get, he continues cut 18. This day, I don't know, what I did wrong, um, I get messages all the time, uh, whether through Facebook or other ways of communication, you know, telling me that I'm a moron. I'm stupid. Need dope my eyes and all this stuff. Um, but I just, I ignore those. Um, I don't really care what people say to me because this isn't about me. This is about my brother, um, and I like to think I'm, I know a little bit more of what's going on in the case than, you know, people that are just reading stuff on, on the internet. People just reading stuff on the internet. Now look, I understand it's honorable to want justice for your brother. I completely agree with that. I don't take up any issue with the O'Keeves along that. I want justice for John O'Keeves too. And I think that's what anybody in the free care and read movement would tell you that we do want justice for John O'Keeves. But they're, to us, they're pointing the finger at the wrong person. I am more apt to believe the defense's story that there is some level of some conspiracy here. And that's not from reading stuff on the internet. That's just from watching the trial. If you sat and watched the trial from beginning to end, you knew nothing about this case. I think you'd come away saying, well, something's not right here. All of this evidence that was presented by the state, I mean, it was all half-heartedly gathered and maintained and produced. I mean, just think of the way they left the crime scene unattended, the manner in which all of the, the taillights and the, the pieces and the blood was collected with solo cups and evidence was just left out in the open to dry, anybody had access to it. The contact, the levels of conflict of interest between several police officers and what should have been suspects in the case. And the way the, a lot of the evidence was presented, including the flipped video of inside the Sally port at Canton PD, I mean, all of those, that's, that's reasonable doubt. And to say anybody's a conspiracy theorist, well, the conspiracy has been theorized. And I think has been fairly well established that there is definitely something different that took place than what the state is saying. Now, poor Adam Lally, he got saddled with this case and had to take it to the level that it got. And now he's going to have to take it up again. I really wouldn't want to be in his shoes for a second time, never mind the first. But they're doing what they can with what they've got. And even even Apollo Keef said that said as much. We'll have to play that after we come back 844 542 42, which you make Apollo Keef's interview with the CBS Boston. Like I said, I think he's got honorable intentions, but I really wish that this trial would have opened a lot more eyes than it seemed to have opened 844 542 42 will be right back. This is the Grace Curly Show. The Grace Curly Show will be right back. This is the Grace Curly Show. I've gotten to know the Alberts through all this and they're all good people. So just because we don't believe in a crazy conspiracy theory, and we believe that Karen Reed is guilty of killing my brother. You know, they take it on us. Oh, they're all good people. Paul, have you asked your good friend Brian Albert why he destroyed his phone, why he got rid of his phone immediately after receiving a protection order to preserve the phone? Brian Higgins, close friend. You could really consider one of the Alberts. Why did he destroy his phone, tear up the sim card, toss them out into a dumpster on an army base? Why did Jennifer McCabe Google, just after two in the morning, within a couple of hours after your brother is estimated to have died, a house long to die in the cold? These are not good people from what I've seen. Just look at the way they've conducted themselves out in public. They've been seen on video threatening people, cursing people out, threatening retribution on people. David, you're next on the Grace Curly Show. Go ahead, David. Taylor, just listen to the new, the woman's googling to find out how long to die in the cold is enough for reason about it. I haven't followed this all the evidence in this case, but just listen to just some bits and pieces. That alone, Taylor, is enough for reason of a doubt. And then as far as you'll find them, listen to the clips that you've played, listening to him, it was speaking, it's like, I wonder if you're not playing pots of the movie Munion, The Kaye Muni, where Humphrey Bo God, stop. No, you're right. Certainly on that shadow of a doubt, I could prove that there was a second key to be right back. This is the Grace Curly Show. (upbeat music)