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Taylor Cormier: Would you go to Canton after this? plus Auntie Bev's Note with TURTLEBOY | 7.1.24 - The Grace Curley Show Hour 2
Today's podcast is brought to you by the Thunderstorm Air Purifier. BOGO is back for one week to order. Go to eatimpurdeals.com and putting code word grace BOGO. Live from the Aviva Trataria studio, it's the Grace Curly show. We've got to bring in a new voice, a young voice, a rising voice, Grace Curly. You can read Grace's work in the Boston Herald and the spectator. You don't want too much grace. Here's the millennial with the mic. Grace Curly. Grace Curly. Grace Curly. Let's bring in the host of the Grace Curly show, Grace Curly. You either have grace or you don't. Especially Grace, Grace stand up. Grace Curly. Welcome to the Grace Curly show, Grace is on vacation. I'm Taylor Cormier, Grace is producer, filling in as she enjoys her time off. And this is just really amazing. The Karen Reid trial is in the climax portion right now and we can't get an answer out of the jury. And I never thought that this would be this difficult for a jury to deliberate over something that is so perceivably simple and so easily this case should have been dismissed, first of all. But we went through the whole thing and the prosecution, they brought their measly witnesses their in literally incredible witnesses forward. And they were at point and point and point rebuffed by the defense in very logical ways. Every single witness that the prosecution brought forward, the defense had a question and a response that sowed reasonable doubt into that witness's testimony for each and every single one. And they are now in their, they've gone over 24 hours of deliberation and have now asked twice of the judge to be declared a hung jury. Aiden Carney joins us now, turtle boy, he's been covering this since the word go and he's at the court today. Aiden, thanks for joining us today. What happened in court this morning at around 10 30? So the jury came back again and they tried to hang themselves and said, we just can't, we have a fundamental difference of opinion or whatever. And basically the judge then read them the two E Rodriguez kind of riot act, tell them to, okay, this is extremely expensive, you heard all these people come forward. If we do this again and bring all these people forward, it's good. No other jury is going to hear anything different from what you hear. So get back in there, you owe it to the people to come up with a verdict. And they went back on the merry way and that was it. So we don't know which jurors, you know, how, or how many there are. I suspect one is a hold out for guilty. I mean, that's, I think that's common sense. Like, this is a pretty open and shut case. Like most polls are showing that like 10% or less of the people believe she did it. And so statistically in a jury, they're likely to get one. But I just can't imagine more than one person on this thinking she's guilty up to here. Everything that we heard. And you know, I see these jurors and I see what they look like and whatever, you know, this one juror in particular, she's crying in the end of the day. I don't know what's going on, but it's, again, that's speculation. So that was juror number seven that you reported on, on Twitter, that she sat every, all of the jurors looked visibly upset, right? But she looked most upset. You know, most of them just look like, frustrated, like, like how long, you know what I mean? And she looked like, I gave it, I described the look as like to everyone's picking on me look, because it just seemed like, you know, like every, it seemed like if there was one person in that room that was being kind of pressured by the others to see the light and come around and she didn't want to do it, she had that look on her face. It's the best way I could describe it. But again, I could be wrong. I mean, that would be very surprising to me, given, especially Michael Proctor's testimony and his texts about the females involved in this case, you would think that the females on the jury would be most sympathetic. You would think so, but then again, it can be a little caddy, you know, some women just don't like Karen Reid. They don't like her look, they don't like her confidence, they don't like the way she smiles. You know, she might just rub them the wrong way and it's just like, I don't like her. And if that gets in their head and they do that, then they refuse to look at the actual evidence, like the best witnesses were the last two, the arctic guys, who said like quite literally these injuries could not possibly have come from a car and let me explain why. And if that's not a reasonable doubt, I don't know what is. Yeah, you have that as a reasonable doubt. You have Jennifer McCabe's Google searches as a reasonable doubt. You have Karen Reid's location at 1236 AM at John O'Keefe's house. That's certainly more than enough reasons. Just those three right there, there's no, there's no rebuffing those. Those are facts. Those are recorded and they are fact, it's part of history now. You cannot argue against those. Do you think the jury just doesn't understand what they're supposed to be doing and how they're supposed to be considering this case? Yes, I think that Auntie Bev should have explained in very clear language what reasonable doubt is and that you must acquit if there is any reasonable doubt at all. She had to, she didn't really explain what beyond a reasonable doubt is. And I just think that some of these people in their head, they're like, well, if we don't believe the conspiracy, you know, like then it's got to be Karen Reid, but it's like conspiracy aside. Just forget about the conspiracy. Forget about the Alberts. Forget about the McCabe. Just look at the fact that Karen Reid could not have done this. That is what has happened. Do you think Karen Reid did this? You're not here to convict the McAlberts. You're here to either acquit or convict Karen Reid. And if you don't think you can convict the McAlberts, it's also okay to not convict Karen Reid. What do you think the more likely scenario is that the DA has a plant on the jury or that there's one juror who's honestly afraid of what could happen to them? Now that they've been seen throughout this entire trial by the McAlberts. That's a good question, you know. I don't think a plant could not get by the defense attorneys who got to question all these people at a time. I think that, I mean, the fact that Brian Albert, Colin Albert and Jim McCabe came in that last day and just stood there and sat there and stayed at them. And the fact that on the way out, people like Brian Higgins and Brian Albert all thanked the jury on the way out, like, thank you, Jerry, like Michael Proctor is the same way. It's just like kind of like we're watching you and I have to wonder, you know, then the pro-Karen Reid jurors, the people who are visibly like disgusted with Michael Proctor and whatever, they were all eliminated on the last day. All three of them. Like, so, there's a lot of shenanigans going on here. And there's no way they were ever going to convict this woman, but are they ever going to acquit her? I don't know. What's going on inside the courtroom while the jury is deliberating? Is Auntie Beth sitting in there with you guys or is she presiding over other cases? They kick you out. They kick you out. So we came over. No, she just sits in her chambers and collects a $200,000 a year salary and, you know, kicks her feet up, drinks out of her family, you know, but I come outside with the people. There's hundreds of people every day outside here lying in the streets, waiting for that not guilty verdict to come, they're keeping their faith. And I've kept the faith for as long as I can and I still hope maybe somebody will change their mind. They're talking about something, right? Like eventually you just hope that the pressure gets to whoever this holdout is and they can be convinced by the other people in the room and just say, look at this, like, look at all this stuff. How can you ignore this? Hopefully, they just felt like, you know what, this isn't worth it and they vote not guilty. That's what I'm hoping for. Yeah, I hope so too. I don't know. It doesn't seem like it's going to come today if it comes this week. That'd be great. Um, over the weekend and on Friday, we saw this, this three second video of allegedly Alan Jackson with Karen Reed out on the town in the Seaport district, um, seemed to some people that there may have been some, some gestures that suggested that there's some sort of a non professional relationship between Karen Reed and her attorney. Has anything come out over the weekend to denounce any of that or, or prove it one way or the other? Yeah. It's, I mean, it's like they haven't commented on it. They have nothing to say. I think even commenting on it just makes it legitimizes it. To me, what it looked like in a video, I mean, it looks a lot, you know, but when you look at the video, the picture more closely, like, clearly there is some service worker there taking pictures of, you see David Unetti and Craig Bates, the IT guy in and there because you see David Unetti's, um, wristband. So there appears to be taking a picture of some people and Karen Reed is about to walk into the frame and it looks like Alan Jackson's holding her back and he grabs the upper and the bottom. I don't know. I think it's kind of much to do about nothing and quite frankly, it's a distraction. Like Alan Jackson said in his closing statements, look the other way. Like that's what they want. Like, forget about all the artists that let's talk about this weird picture over here of, uh, you know, uh, of her pretending to go in, you know, keeping her from going into traffic. You know, right? That's what it looked like to me. So it to me is just stupid and, uh, if there was anything to it, um, you know, I feel like I would know by now, but, uh, don't think anything's going on. Yeah, that's, that's kind of how I read it as well. Also some big news that you, uh, released over the weekend, uh, did you want to tell people about, uh, an upcoming, uh, motion picture that you've, you've, uh, signed on to. It's pretty cool. So it's a company called, um, compelling pictures as green lit a, uh, Hollywood movie, um, about my involvement in the camera re-case. Um, obviously, I mean, I'm not an actor, but I need to sign over the right to play me. And they're also working. Uh, we've worked out in the green and for, uh, to write a book when this is done and, uh, to do a podcast, uh, with, uh, a person to be announced, uh, pretty well-known podcast or in the true crime community, uh, so it's all going to be coming out after this is all said and done. I mean, did, uh, did you ever in your wildest dreams, Aidan Carney, think that this would happen when you first started covering, uh, this, this case, uh, how, how big it was going to get and, uh, how much notoriety you would have in it. I mean, I'm, I was expo, exposing local douchebags and Monica Cannon Graham, people like that for years. And I made a living doing it and it was great and I felt like we made a difference in the world, but I never saw this coming, I never saw, I thought I'd be, uh, you know, behind this massive movement involving the most corrupt police investigation into a murder of a cop ever. No, I didn't see this one coming. I gotta be honest with you. I mean, we talk about this, I mean, we're obviously hyper local to this situation as we watch it. I mean, it's, it's happened in our, our backyard, um, but you hear every now and then that this is a nationwide case. What, uh, have you seen that, that can give you that indication that this does have the legs for, uh, everything that you've signed on with over the weekend? Because every day I'm here, I meet people from different states. Today was Florida. The other day was Tennessee, California, North Carolina, Arizona, you name it all across country. You had someone from North Dakota here the other day and, uh, we have people from all over the world, like this Irish people here, Scottish people, English people, German TV added a interview with German television the other day. So it's, it's, it's an international story where a lot of off these, um, and, and, you know, uh, I can see people are, it's like sacrilege and bandetti, the same courthouse a hundred years ago. That was an international story. Except this one's going to have a better ending hopefully. I hope so. Aiden Carney, where can people follow you? Add Dr. Turtle boy on Twitter or pb daily news dot com. Thank you, sir. I'm sure you'll be checking in with how we later on today, right? Of course. Of course. All right. Thanks very much. Turtle boy. Number four, five hundred, forty two, forty two, we'll be right back with your calls on the Karen Reed case. We'll go over what happened, uh, we've got sound from what happened in the courtroom earlier today and what, uh, Judge Beverly Canoni had to tell the jury as well. Eight four, four, five hundred, forty two, forty two. I'm Taylor Cormier. This is The Grace Curly Show. We're listening to The Grace Curly Show. This is The Grace Curly Show. Welcome back to The Grace Curly Show. And congratulations again to Turtle boy, not only on the deals he signed over the weekend, but he just in the last few moments hit a hundred thousand followers on X on Twitter, but not before how he car did last week, which was a prediction that Turtle boy would, would catch how he, but, uh, how he beat him to a hundred K's. So that's that. Thanks for joining in the race, everybody. Today's poll question is brought to you by Rizzo insurance. When was the last time you had your insurance audited? Rizzo saved one of our coworkers over $1,700 a year to get your insurance audited. Go to Rizzoinsurance.com. Emma, what's today's poll question? What are the results thus far today's poll question is, is the jury in the Karen Reid trial legitimately deadlocked? Yes, or no, there's a holdout juror planted by the Norfolk DA's office, you know, kind of after what Turtle boy said and described of the juror, number seven, and again, it's complete conjecture as to what juror, number seven is feeling, but he said that, that juror was visibly more upset than all of the other jurors. Uh, so it seems that she may have convictions if she is indeed the holdout, that she strongly believes, um, I meant to ask Turtle boy as well, how, how young the youngest juror appears to be because I find that younger people are more open to emotional interpretation rather than sticking with the facts just in my experience, but I don't know, I'm, I'm still saying no, I, I think there's somebody was told to hold out, though I don't really want to believe that. 71% of the audience agrees with you, 29% say yes, it's deadlocked. Let's listen, this was Auntie Bev this morning, uh, Judge Beverly Canoni in the trial. She received a note from the jury and this was, they, they had asked first, they had a question, I suppose, and she received the note, read it, and then made, had some commentary on it before reading it aloud. This is cut eight. Yeah. All right. All right, I think this has been an extraordinary jury. I've never seen a note like this, um, reporting to be at an impasse. Uh, I do find that they're now with the additional time that they went out without coming back Friday saying that they were deadlocked, um, is doing thorough deliberation. So I'm going to give two re-radery guests. So are they ready to come in, Jody? So this was the note that she received from the hung jury that the, the, well, they want to be declared a hung jury. This was the note that she read and after receiving from the jury cut nine. All right. So J is, I am in receipt of your note, Judge Canoni, despite our commitment to the duty entrusted to us, we find ourselves deeply divided by fundamental differences in our opinions and state of mind, the divergence in our views are not rooted in a lack of understanding or effort, but deeply held convictions that each of us carry ultimately leading to a point where consensus is unattainable. We recognize the weight of this admission and the implications it holds that tells me that this is emotional, this is deeply held convictions. You're not supposed to have any deeply held convictions in a criminal trial. You're supposed to go on the facts, not on your convictions. Even if every instinct is telling you, Karen Reed is absolutely 100% guilty. She had horrible things to say to John O'Keefe on those voicemails. She was not in control of her, her physical movements at the time of John O'Keefe's death. If you had thought all of that and you were still presented the evidence that the defense brought against the prosecution to refute everything that every single one of those testimonies brought out through those witnesses, you'd still have to vote not guilty. There is no way that this is being thought out by that at least one juror logically at all. This is complete emotional clinging to, I just think she's guilty. That's it. That's just what I think. Those are my convictions. That's nonsense. I didn't listen to the instructions that Judge Canoni had given the jury before they went into deliberations, but the Tui Rodriguez instructions. They didn't necessarily bring out the fact that you've got to consider all the facts and come back with a jury based on the facts in this case. In order to make, this is, I'm reading from the statement right now, "In order to make a decision more attainable, the law always imposes the burden of proof on one side or the other. In this criminal case, the burden of proof is on the commonwealth to establish every part of it, every essential element beyond a reasonable doubt. If you are left in doubt as to any essential element, the defendant is entitled to the benefit of that doubt and must be acquitted. Any essential element, any of them, and you can name one, name, name any, any essential element in this case, and you obviously have reasonable doubt. We'll be right back. This is the Grace Curly Show. Live from the Aviva Trattria Studio. 844-542-42, if you'd like to give us a call on the Grace Curly Show today talking about the amazing news out of the Supreme Court today that President Trump and any president is immune from prosecution if they are acting in an official presidential capacity. It is up to the lower courts now to establish what was or was not in Trump's official capacity on January 6 and the events leading up to it, 2021, and any statements that he made either during a speech or on Twitter, so that's going to be pushed off. That's great news that there, first of all, is immunity and that secondly, this trial is going to have to be delayed until after November of this year, after Election Day. That's very important. That's amazing news. We're also discussing the Karen Reid trial. I am really beside myself. I've been watching this trial, along with the rest of the crew here at the Howie Car Radio Network, just about since day one, and getting to know all the players, getting to know their narratives and their roles. The first few weeks were pretty boring. You had a lot of first responders that didn't know all that much about, but then you got into the meat and potatoes of the central characters to this plot. People like Jen McCabe, people like Brian Albert, Brian Higgins, Michael Proctor, and it just became must-see TV every single day. We're finally at this point where we're waiting on the jury to come back and give us what can only be, I'm not accepting any other answer, there can only be a not-guilty verdict. I think that's clear. I could be wrong. If you think I'm out of my mind on this, that there is a reason for at least one juror to hold out on a not-guilty verdict, please let me know, 844-542-42, or you can text Curly to 617-213-1066, text Curly followed by your message to 617-213-1066. Grace was asking me about this on Friday. My thoughts on the jury taking this long to come back with a not-guilty verdict. I'm not even exaggerating when I am yelling. This is unbelievable. How many things do you have to be presented with to buy that there is enough reasonable doubt in this case, how about Brian Higgins destroying his cell phone and his SIM card and disposing of it on an army base? How about all of these witnesses getting rid of their phones, deleting messages and Google searches and phone calls associated with that day and the events leading up to it whenever they were allowed to or knew ahead of time seemingly that their phones were going to be confiscated or they got do not destroy orders? How about the inverted video, the backwards, the flipped video that the prosecution presented and didn't tell the jury that it was manipulated in some way. They were going to keep them in the dark until the defense came forward and said that this was an inverted flipped video, which was pretty obvious. I saw that in the first 30 seconds. I said, wait a second, the number on that garage is backwards. There's no reason for that because it's not a plate glass, you can't see through it. It's a vinyl of some sort and the wording on the rear of that antique police car is backwards. That's wrong. It didn't take long to figure out. How about any of the text messages that Michael Proctor sent, especially saying that the homeowner was not going to receive any bleep for this because he too is a Boston cop. Is that not reasonable doubt that this investigation was tainted? How about all of the expert witnesses for the defense saying that they did the tests, the tests that the state police did not do, that they didn't even think of doing and they showed beyond a reasonable doubt that there would be more damage to Karen Reed's vehicle had she hit John O'Keefe with her car at the speed that the prosecution claims she was traveling at. How about the testimony of the Dyeeton police officer who said it was just a crack to Karen Reed's tail light when he saw it go up on the tow truck, when it was taken from her parents' house in Dyeeton back to Canton. That's reasonable doubt. I could go on and on and I'm sure you could provide enough pieces of reasonable doubt that you've seen throughout this entire trial that were the moment where you said, well, I mean, that's it, obviously, even if you did think she was guilty, you have to acquit based on that fact that you can't get around that. 844-542-42, Susan, you're next on the Grace Curly show. Go ahead, Susan. Yeah, so there's a couple of things. First of all, she was not a good judge and in fact, she braided Karen Reed. Are you laughing? The jury hears that and then the way she sort of belitted the littles, the defense attorney's question about how that form that they had to sign off on guilty, not guilty, that went back and forth. I mean, what's the jury think about that? Well, for both of those things, you just mentioned the jury was not in the room to hear. So I don't know if it ever got back to them, but they did not hear those back and forth between the judge and the attorneys. But still, it doesn't discount the fact, Susan, your original point, she has not been a great judge here. No, and then I didn't hear the closing arguments, but if the defense attorney had given a closing argument such as you just gave, I mean, how could they have decided otherwise? I mean, I don't know what his summation was or was it? It was a lot more eloquent and he did it in an hour and one minute, it was a lot more eloquent and thorough than what I just gave. Mine was not even precursory, but his was, again, there were no getting around the facts that he presented. I mean, he provided motive, he provided cause, he provided time. I mean, again, just the fact that Karen Reid was not even there at 12.36 a.m. when Jen McCabe said she was watching out the window and Karen Reid's vehicle was outside at quarter of one, 12.45, nine minutes after Karen Reid had already arrived at John O'Keefe's house, it doesn't make sense. The timelines don't add up. There is reasonable doubt. I mean, these witnesses are extremely fallible. Their timelines did not line up at all, Susan. And then I don't know how the Germans were vetted. You know, one of them is probably a long lost friend of that huge family somehow, you know, the canton. The tentacles of that must go very far and wide. That's the only thing I can think of. I don't know. Maybe. One committed person. Maybe. Thank you very much for the call, Susan. I was talking about this with somebody in Boston yesterday and they were saying, you know, they used to live around Canton and they understand that, you know, it's small town politics. You've got these players in these towns and this, you know, any small town, you've got a good old boy network. And you know, it varies their degrees of corruption by town. But apparently in Canton, even the chief of police, Berkowitz, said he was scared of the Alberts. He mentioned that to one of the other witnesses, that he was scared of Brian Albert specifically. And to look at the guy, he does nothing but scowl and God knows what he may be capable of. Well, that's what this whole trial has been showing, the defense has been showing that people were scared of the Alberts, what they could do and how they would react because they had influence in the town. And it's a bad look at Aiden Carney's reporting, I mean, going to the CF McCarthy's a couple of weeks ago and being intimidated by the people that say the turtle boys intimidating them in the courtroom or is leading these harassment campaigns against them. This was, this was all brought upon themselves, but there were so many points where I don't know what is taking this, this juror or jurors so long to wrap their heads around that there is reasonable doubt in this case, even if it's just one of those points, you have to acquit John, you're next on the Grace Curly Show, go ahead, John. I just want to say, I will never go through the town of Canton again after what occurred there. I will go around it, I won't eat in any restaurant, buy anything, go to it, I will go around it. That's all I want to say. I think Robbie is recent. Well, I mean, thank you, John, thank you very much for the call. I wouldn't discourage any, I'm not on, I don't work for Canton, I'm not on their Board of Tourism, but I don't think I've ever been in Canton and I don't think, I drive through it every day on the highway, but I have no reason to stop, I don't have family or friends there. I'm not going to encourage or discourage anybody from visiting what I'm sure is the quaint and picturesque town of Canton, Massachusetts. I mean, I'm sure it'll become big tourism after this case is all wrapped up if it hasn't been already. I mean, the waterfall and CF McCarthy's, I'm sure have done big business in these last few months. Really because of this trial, people wanting to visit and scout out for themselves, where these people were hanging out, what caused them to be regulars at this place, the hillside, everybody's happy at the hillside, Chris, you're next on the Grace Curly Show. Go ahead, Chris. Hey Taylor, I got to say, as a taxpayer in this state, I am furious about what's going on here, not only because, I mean, you think about what you do in your daily life, where you go, you stop and get gas, you go to a diner, you go, everybody's talking about this case, and they all say the same thing. Like anybody with an IQ above double digits can realize that this is a complete scam, but what bothers me, Taylor, is if they can do this to Karen Reed, who I might be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure her parents are pretty wealthy. They are. She's a wealthy family. What if this happened to you or me or Joe Sixpac that just came off a construction site? Who doesn't have the money behind them to hire an Allen Jackson? You get smoked in the Massachusetts criminal justice system. Absolutely. Absolutely, Chris. I mean, this is a disgrace. I don't want to paint with a broad brush and say that the state police is completely corrupt, but we have plenty of evidence to show that there's a large amount of corruption. It's like the old line that not every pit bull owner is a criminal, but every criminal is a pit bull owner. The same thing can be said to the state police. I think it's very important to have your word cemented in the public record, which is why I think so many people are studying up on their basic civil rights as citizens of the United States when it comes to encounters with law enforcement officers, because you see stuff like this happening where people are put through the ringer and brought to this extreme extent of the criminal justice system and getting blamed for something that it's so obvious they were not complicit in at all. I mean, who among us can say that they haven't yelled and left a bad voicemail for their significant other when they were frustrated and/or in an altered state of mind or have been on the receiving end of one of those messages and gone home angry and didn't want to see or hear from and didn't really question where they were until the next day. I mean, that doesn't prove that you killed them. It means you're upset and they had those those tips every now and then. I don't I don't take that as evidence and I don't think it should be taken as evidence. It's it's nuts. But people I think are are more keen on what they're going to be doing in future stops, even on the highway, their encounters with state police recording them just for their own safety and security and for the safety and security of the officers involved as well. I don't I think that's a very prudent thing to do and making sure that the entire interaction is is gone. I'm a big promo a big proponent of body cam footage, but I got it. If can't in PD and state police were wearing body cam footage, I don't think we if they were wearing body cams, I don't think we'd be in the situation where we are today where this is even brought to trial. I think that's quite obvious eight four four five hundred forty two forty two five away Taylor, the judge should have directed a not guilty verdict due to the obvious result. She's in on the scam too. I don't know about that. But yeah, I mean, you can't tell exactly what the I think they they moved on past that she dismissed the directed verdict by the by the defense. I think a couple of weeks ago, five oh wait, why are there no Boston cops at the trial? Cops always show up. They know she didn't do it and that one of their own likely did. They're sitting this one out very telling. It's also pretty telling that Brian Albert and Brian Higgins, they went to the funeral of some some cop in New York. But they didn't see it fit to go to John O'Keefe's funeral of fellow law enforcement officer. Very telling eight four four five hundred forty two forty two. We'll be back. I'm Taylor Cormier. This is the Grace Curly Show. Hi, it's Toby from Cape Gun Works. I'm taking all your firearm and self defense questions every Tuesday. And Grace and me for two eight Tuesday Tuesdays at two p.m. This is the Grace Curly Show. You know, I just want to hear one more time before we head to the break. The note that Judge Kenone received from the jury today, Emma, can we can we hear cut nine, please? All right. So Jaz, I am in receipt of your note. Judge Kenone, despite our commitment to the duty entrusted to us, we find ourselves deeply divided by fundamental differences in our opinions and state of mind. The divergence in our views are not rooted in a lack of understanding or effort, but deeply held convictions that each of us carry, ultimately leading to a point where consensus is unattainable. We recognize the weight of this admission and the implications it holds. Now front of the show, Aaron Chadborn over at WGAN says this is a weird note and Auntie Bev pointed that out as well. She said, I've never received a note like this. Aaron Chadborn texted me and said that this sounds like it was written by chat GPT. And he put it through chat GPT, something I won't touch. I don't care for AI. I don't mess with AI. Kids use a different word, but for purposes of FCC regulations, I don't mess with AI. He put in the prompt, please write a compelling note from a jury to a judge that will persuade her to allow us to be a hung jury. Please use language that makes it seem like we have fulfilled our obligation and our earnest. And the note read back pretty much. I mean, it reads like a form. No, we the members of the jury have diligently deliberated over the case presented before us. Each of us has approached our duty with the utmost seriousness and responsibility considering every piece of evidence and testimony with great care. We assure your honor that our inability to reach a unanimous decision does not stem from a lack of effort or dedication to our civic duty rather reflects the complexity and seriousness of the issues presented goes on. But it's very formulaic, it's very soulless and very, it doesn't really pertain to the details of the case doesn't mention them at all or where they're hung up. We'll be back. We've got America's Sheriff Tom Hodgson joining us after the break. I'm Taylor Cormier. This is The Grace Curly Show.