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Now, one of those who's gonna be playing in Las Vegas and we didn't necessarily anticipate this, is Jaime Hawkes. We thought that his one stint with the Summer League team was gonna be enough, but he's gonna participate in Vegas. It creates an interesting situation here because obviously he's gonna take some minutes from some guys who are trying to sort of show out to the team here. He's not gonna play in all the games, but we hear maybe a couple of them. And at the same time, he may elevate some of these guys. So we'll see what he looks like with them. And we're also gonna talk about Nicole Ljovitch who's in a different situation. He's supposed to be participating for Serbia on the national team. He got hurt in his very last workout in Miami during doing a drill. We had reported at that time that it looked like a couple of weeks before he would be back. There was a report that came out of Serbia today and I don't speak that language particularly well. We have a lot of translators apparently on off the floor who suggested that he had a fracture, which was not what we had heard. And I did hear today that although he's not expected to participate in the preliminaries, there is a chance of him participating with the national team in the main draw. So we'll see what happens there. But I want to start with Hawkeas and I want to start with some information that I got today. During last, well before last training camp, there was a lot of excitement about Jaime in particular because a couple of the coaches, I know Karan was one of them who was involved with some of the just thought he just blew it out of the water. Okay, in terms of being a rookie who came in, being prepared and what his upside was. And now apparently there's another set of coaches who feels that way this year because I've heard that he was one of the most impressive players on the select team. By the way, one of the others who came up was 17 year old Cooper Flag who is likely going to be the number one overall pick coming up this next year. There's going to be extreme hype on him. But essentially it was Cooper Flag and Jaime Hawkeas who have been getting the most attention for what they did with the select team and practices and in the game against Team USA. And I'll just ask this question as we kind of project this forward. We've talked about Jaime potentially being a starter or how this might play out this year, what he needs to work on. He talked about obviously not being a knockdown shooter and a knockdown defender. These are the two things he wants to concentrate on. But I also feel like sometimes we kind of shade Jaime's upside a little bit because he did come into the league at an older age than some of these others. Are we doing too much of that? I would ask. 'Cause it seems like every time he's a guy who's in self-in-self and somebody else, he impresses. - Well, not ever said. I mean, when guys go to college four years, it seems like they're capped out. Like it is, like what they come out into enter, the league width, it's like people think that's what they're gonna consistently add. But if a guy enters a league at 19, we're sitting here saying he's still growing at 22, 23, 24. So it doesn't matter when you enter the league. And I feel like it's probably even more so when a guy is new and he's able to adjust it kind of in a rookie year like we saw. So I do think we probably do do that to his upside a little bit. And I think kind of the key for him this season to me is not only not limiting his upside, but also not putting him in a box. And I feel like there were certain points with what the role he was in. And this is why I think with just looking at what, the Caleb not being here anymore, if they benefits anybody, it benefits Jaime. 'Cause I feel like it definitely put him in a position where it wasn't his natural role. Like he was playing these lives with Caleb. He was trying to play that baseline corner when Caleb was there. Then he started playing that wing a little bit more just because he had to fill in some gaps. But when he's able to just fill in a role of like Jimmy playing these certain lineups with shooting and BAM and Nico and running the floor, things just looked a lot better. So I think it's about not putting him in a box. Not, he's talked about like wanting to be a knockdown shooter. There's videos going around today of his shooting and I kind of feel like I already see an adjustment. Like there's some things with just like the base in his shot that looks a little different to me. His shot looks quicker. The form has always been good. It's just more so just about consistency it feels like and just having the same shot every time and just that repetition will kick in. But I think it's just about not making him like okay, he's in this line up. We need him just to be a straight up spot up shooter. It's not him. It's that you don't do that to Jimmy, you know? Like you don't box the guys in when they have like skill sets that benefit in other ways. So I think just trying to get him going like in the mid post and on the ball with pick and rolls. We saw in that Boston series and the playoffs that he was a pretty like did some real things in the pick and roll. So I think it's just about not boxing him in that kicks into what you said. He has a higher upside that we probably give him credit for. And same goes because I know we're going to mention Nico. I think the same goes for him is that he probably has a higher floor than we give him credit for because he has added a lot to his game that he's not a liability. - No, and I think that's fair because we do talk about the overtures, the ceiling and and Hakas is the floor. I think what's interesting about these couple games he's going to play at the Summer League is that he's not going to be asked to fit in. But anyway, like he's not going to be the fourth scorer out there or being asked to hit, you know, threes after two actions. Like he is going to probably have the ball in his hands a lot and he's probably going to be their featured scorer. And as we talk about that, there were certain things that he did last year that it seems like teams caught onto. We talked about that spin move on the baseline. And then all of a sudden he was kind of spin cycling himself to death because teams took away that option. Like we identified that. Obviously other teams were going to identify that. Also in transition, we talked about how he's just a go guy. Like there's no looking to pass. There's none of that. He's one on four. He's going to go in honesty. Sometimes because this team is so dysfunctional in transition and we, this is something we need to drill down on during training camp. Okay, like how can they become even a functional transition team? Like can they look at least like an AAU team and not even an AAU team. The JCC team in transition. We'll take that at this point. 'Cause they're just horrific in transition. But he does make plays in transition. They're just for himself and how to expand on that. So before we get into how this affects the other players who are going to be in summer league, 'cause I think this is an interesting byproduct of this, at least in the first couple of games. What do you want to see from him as a featured scorer here for the first couple of games? - I hit on the pick and roll stuff. I definitely would like to see that. Like I just want to see what his options are in the pick and roll. Like if he's going to get to the mid-range pull up stuff. Specifically I think with Kaleil Ware, that's kind of the most intriguing part. Because look, if things break right and it's things we expect to be, is Ware getting some possible backup big minutes for this team? I mean, in Ware should be getting a lot of glued minutes together. And it's the two youngest, like the two young rookies, the newest rookies on the team. And I'm just interested to see how they play together. Like two guys that can absolutely just put their head down and be, generate paint touches. Like that's kind of the biggest thing. We talked about so many things over the last few years about needing guys to do that. And you have Kaleil Ware who's just a big body that can do that. And Jaime that can put his head down, like that's needed. But what else would you want to see? I mean, I think efficiency is kind of a big thing. Like if we talk about expanding roll in some relief when the ball's at his hands and tongue. I think you just, you don't want to see him like go out there in this type of environment and just put up a bunch of shots. But that's not him. Like he's not the type of guy I envision doing that. Like he feels like a guy that's going to step in. He just wants to, he just wants to hoot. Like he just wants to jump in because he's already in Vegas. He just wants to play basketball. He's going to be passive. He's not going to get in the way of these other guys I'd expect. Like I don't think he's stepping in. It's like guys like Pellet or Kashad or Ware is not going to get reps. Like no, like I think that's kind of the big thing. He's kind of got to be the, in some ways like the vet of the group to kind of just set them up in a way. But I do think, like I know some are worried and like kind of wondering why he'd even do this. But at the point I keep making, he's like, if he's not playing in Summer League, he's going to be playing in scrimmages and runs in a random gym in Miami or LA or wherever. Basketball is basketball. I mean, he's not going to be like overdoing it. He's not going to be playing in game seven of the finals in this Summer League game. He's just going to play playing and just getting reps. And these reps are important. So we're kind of expecting him to be a little bit more on ball this next season, I'd appear. Like I think you need him in that role. Like if you want some type of fresh air in the room, like you need Nico and Jaime to be able to not just be off ball threats. You need them to be able to kind of initiate for themselves. There's a good door opener for that. Let's just see what he has. Like don't, once again, don't put him in a box. Let's just see what he has. And then you can make the adjustments and training camp and all that stuff down the line. - One more thing on this, and then we'll get to yoga after the break. You mentioned Larson. And I do know that he's impressed the coaches as well with the heat and that he just doesn't, one thing I would say is he doesn't like, Jaime had that swag from like moment one. And like it has felt a little bit, I think in what's been portrayed to me is that Larson's kind of still feeling his way there. And it just doesn't come quite as natural to him as it does to Jaime, but that the skill set is there. But let's look at some of the players who are on the Summer League roster. Look, we've talked about some of the guys in the past. There was one, Jamal Kane, who's just signed a two-way with New Orleans today. So we see guys, we get hyped up about, they come and go, all the rest of this. But I know you say it's not going to affect any of these guys in a negative way, but I do think there are a couple guys. Like we've talked about Alondis Williams, right? And like his, his thing is scoring. Like that is, that seems to be his primary skill set. I do think Jaime getting touches in these first couple games could affect, because we saw Alondis Williams have his best game in the game that everybody else missed. So I do think it could affect him a little bit. I think with where there is that connection that we want to see develop. With Larson, maybe he brings a little bit of this out in Larson as we go forward. Because shot Johnson, by the way, we're hoping to have on the podcast next week. So we look forward to that. He doesn't feel like he'd be affected by anybody. Like because he is just literally like Swiss Army knife, plug and play, heat culture, from the PJ Tucker, Heywood Highsmith, you know, school of, of, you know, threes and fours and these kinds of, you know, wings and small fours that they've had in the past. But I do, would you say, is that fair to say that of the guys we've talked about the most that Alondis probably gets affected the most by Jaime being featured? Probably, I mean, I think all the point guards are going to be affected in some ways, just because, look, in the last game and you didn't have Swider and you didn't have Pellet, like it's just a bunch of guys that are just trying to run pick a roll and drive. Like there's not a lot of shooting that if you add Jaime into the mix, look, I probably think it's more important for those guys to have to deal with this. Because when you're trying to earn a two-way contract and you're trying to get minutes and a rotation in the regular season, you don't know what lineup you're going to be thrown in. You don't know what position you're going to be thrown in. Like, you don't know what scenario it's going to be. So you have to have the ability that, okay, on this night, after we had to step up and play a larger role when all the guys were out in this last game now, how about this one? We're going to have to step aside and play a little bit more off ball. We're going to have to find ways to be impactful, even when we don't have the ball in our hands as much and not in as many actions. So I think that honestly is probably how they're evaluating a lot of these guys, just seeing how they react to that stuff. So I think not only Alondis, but like guys like Poland, guys like Stevens that are running the point and running their half court actions, maybe like let's see if they could, how they look on spotups, how they look off ball, how they look at all these other spots. And look, also Jaime's only playing in, if I'm correct, like two games maybe. And I don't think they're going to be playing in like crazy minutes. Like they're going to weave them in and out, just kind of get them reps here and there with some of these guys. I'd expect them to glue his minutes with guys like where in Larson, like guys that they're expecting like play together possibly in the near future. Like I think they're going to just try to see those combos. But yeah, I do think, I don't think it's a bad thing. I think that it's going to impact kind of the other guys in this team a little bit better. - Well, and if he plays the first two games and they win the first two games, then they have a chance to go deeper into the tournament, which means more opportunities for guys on the back end when he's gone. So actually, that's not such a bad thing because we know kind of the way that some of these teams end up going home early. You want to play it out as long as you possibly can to get as many guys opportunities. - As you can. All right, on the other side, we'll talk about Yovitch. 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So people should realize that it's high ankle sprain, different degrees of ankle sprains, et cetera. So I don't know if he's gonna play in the Olympics. I don't. It does appear he's gonna be held down as some of the preliminaries at the very least. Does this matter, Brady? I guess, I don't wanna downplay it too much 'cause we were excited to see what he looked like in this, but we didn't see what he looked like last summer. That seemed to help, but also the way that he developed him seemed to help more. So does this matter? - Well, I'll say that the reports were that he's likely gonna miss the Olympics as well. So this is gonna be a big chunk and I saw one thing it was like that the heat might even limit his travel possibly just to be really careful. But I mean, selfishly, we all wanted to see him play in this role. We wanted to see him play next to Yokech. We wanted to see him play against Team USA. We wanted to see the way he could play like in this, just like we were talking about with Jaime in summer league, like it's the same thing. Yokech was gonna get real on ball opportunities. Even he played a little bit more of an off ball role last season with the seam, but I think there was a little bit more of an opportunity there just kind of see him grow. But the most important thing for Miami's aspect is like, this is the time to get this guy healthy. This is the time where he needs the time off to get ready for next season. And he's a pretty reliable player. Like he was somebody that was in the mix and then starting lineup pretty much whenever they put him in that time all. And then it's like, this is the time to get him healthy. There's no reason to rush it back. There's no reason Miami should be trying to be careful with this and not making sure he tries to make a push in the Olympics and tries to do that. But I am curious to see like, similarly with Jaime, I'm curious to see the defensive stuff, where it continues to grow because it took a massive jump last season. Like I didn't think it would take a jump that quickly with some of the visibility to switch on to different guys. He finally got a kind of got his point across that he's not a five. And I think Bam's trying to take the Yovich route and say, I'm a four, I'm not a five thing and he just needs somebody to vouch for him now. But he did, like he made that point across. He proved himself that he could play in that role. And I guess the next thing for him is just consistently, it's kind of, I guess it really is similar to Jaime. Like Jaime said, after the season, I want to be a lockdown defender and a knockdown shooter. And in some ways, it's kind of what Yovich is aiming to do because that's kind of the role in this team. The difference is Yovich is kind of the natural high upside guy that I think we are all looking to see more opportunity for him just to see what else is there. Because we know what his base is, like I said before, I think his floor is higher than we give him credit for. But we're all curious to see what else is there on the upside part. So I'm curious to see him just play basketball. Like I just want to see what else he has from different spots on the floor, the finishing. I think we all want to see the finishing just efficiency grow just because if he's a big 6/11 guy that can handle and get to the basket, if he could just get the efficiency right, he is a tough player to deal with. So yeah, I guess it's just a little bit of a downer just to not be able to see him in this specific lineup with Yovich. - Yeah, and again, we don't know for sure. That's the thing I want to be clear on. It just seems like some of the news today was pointing that direction that he may not be participating. And look, Serbia is a team that has a chance to go pretty deep in that tournament. So we thought we get to see a lot of him. And certainly again, I don't think it could hurt him. And I keep coming back to this and you said it correctly on the Hakka's thing. Yovich are going to play ball. Like, I mean, Yovich got hurt in the last, apparently one of the last drills on the last day in Miami. Like this stuff happens. And honestly, sometimes it's more prone to happen in the auto-organized stuff, you know, where it's a little sloppy, the guys are looser, than it would be if he's playing in a tournament for his country where he's obviously going to be focused. I mean, his mind is going to be right. Yeah, I know everybody points to the Paul George thing that happened a few years ago. And again, these are basketball players. This is what they do for a living. I mean, it's like saying that a writer is going to write a bad sentence eventually. Well, the more you're right, yeah, there's a chance you're going to write a bad sentence, but it's what you do. It's also how you get better. And so I think that if Yovich does play, if the Heat are comfortable with it, Serbian team is comfortable with it, I think Heat fans should be comfortable with it. And as far as Hakka's goes, that guy just looks like he wants to play basketball at the time. Like that's just his makeup. He's not really for any of the frills or any of that stuff. You know, he's not. And it's something I think we had to get used to covering him this past year, but honestly, he just wants to play basketball. Like everybody's telling him to be like the voice of Mexico and all the rest, like he just wants to play basketball. And I don't think there's any harm in him playing a couple of games out there and we'll see what happens. All right, we'll have more on these guys as we go forward. I think we're going to do a Terry Rosier episode here soon. 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