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This happens to all the reporters around the country at this stage. It's sloppy. Nobody listens to the entire thing. And then what happens is it's a telephone game. So you get one aggregator and then you get an aggregator on top of the aggregator and then it gets blasted out to a million people and it's totally wrong, okay? So I'm going to address this. Usually I live this stuff alone, but this one today was just ridiculous. Alright? And I'm going to call out people at this stage, okay? Again, I'm tired of it. HeatNation.com, okay? I don't know Jesse Sinkweeny. I don't know, alright? Maybe a fine young writer. I have no idea. This is how this story starts. According to Ethan Skolnik, only one person within the Miami Heat has a solid grasp of the new CBA and its stipulations. And then it quotes me, alright? Now, I'm going to say flat out that I'm on so many damn platforms. We have so many platforms, whether it's this discord or playback. Those are the three primary ones or Twitter for, okay? That I don't exactly know exactly which one of those. I said something like this, okay? Brady and I were talking for the episode. I think it was playback where I tend to be a little bit looser. But essentially it says, but we were talking about the CBA, alright? And we were talking about the fact that a lot of agents don't seem to understand it. Again, this is a new CBA, alright? This was put into place recently. It's not particularly advantageous to the players, we've discussed that, but it also has a lot of clauses and a lot of kind of, it's like butterfly effect, things that lead to other things, leads to other things, okay? And at this stage, based on conversations that I've had with the Heat but also outside the Heat, a lot of agents, even some executives, don't seem to fully understand it. Okay? That was the context of what we were talking about. So this got aggregated, this quote was pulled for me, but this is the grand point, okay, that I think has to be resolved here in the NBA. Skolnik said regarding the new CBA, it appears that a lot of agents do not understand the new CBA. I said that, I stand by that. And I'm not told by people inside the Heat that really only one person on their side understands it. By the way, I cannot believe I said that without saying the word "fully", okay? So I'm going to go back and find this clip because I would have used the word "fully", alright? So I'm going to go check that. Like one person in the league and it happens to be Andy Ellisburg. Now, if you listen to that, okay, even if this was aggregated word for word and I misspoke by not using the word "fully", I'll give the writer the benefit of it down on it, alright? I'm going to go listen to it, I'm going to find it, okay? Now, what do you come out of that, basically saying that the heater incompetent? I'm saying in the last sentence of this thing that is aggregated, like one person in the league and it happens to be Andy Ellisburg. Doesn't that imply that the Heat have a better grasp on it than the rest of the league because they have the one guy in a league who understands it? Even if I was speaking with hyperbole, because obviously somebody else understands it, but as I've said before many times, the league consults with Andy on these things because he has such a good grasp of it. Can somebody explain, well maybe Jesse can explain, and here's an invite to Five on the Floor, right now, okay? Come on with me, I'm right down if you want to be there. Alex, Greg, Eternal, Sean, Brian, hey, all join, have a Timmy, let's get everybody on here. I want to question Jesse on this. This is his phrasing, "Perhaps Miami's lack of understanding regarding the new CVA explains why the team has been very active since the start of free agency out of a few minor moves." The Heat have reportedly signed Kevin Love to a two-year deal worth $8 million and also recently inked Alec Burks to a one-year deal. Then he goes on about marking in, I'll get to that in a second. Then he goes on about to Rosen. We've gotten to that before. By the way, I told you he wasn't coming to Miami if he wasn't taking $5.2 million and it looks like he's going to go to Sacramento and assign and trade. We'll see what happens. There's a couple more paragraphs in here which are pretty much filler, three, four paragraphs. And then the end of this, if the Heat's lack of understanding of the new CVA is indeed what has held Miami back for making a major move via creator free agency to thus far, hopefully the team's staff will be able to get a firmer grasp of how it works in the near future. What the fuck? Seriously? Okay. How exactly do you draw that conclusion from what I said, even if I mis-spoke and didn't use the word fully? What I'm basically saying, the one guy in the legal understands it is on the Heat staff. It is their general manager. This has been carrying water for the organization. This is carrying water for journalism. I'm tired of it, okay? It's got to the point I can't say anything. And then it gets worse because this idiotic story is posted. So of course, Legion Hoops re-tweeks it with the same headline. Only one person in the Miami Heat organization understands the CVA. Again, okay? There needs to be some accountability for this stuff. And I welcome Jesse and whoever the hell runs Legion Hoops to come on five on the floor. All right. Let's do an ad. We're going to talk about Summer League. What's that about a great sponsor? The five reasons for it's network. Maybe price picks should put aggregators on there. How many things will they get wrong per day? 3.5? Over. Under. Go to pricepicks.com, use the code 5, get your initial deposit matched up to $100. 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If I'm said Brady, that Brady Hawk was the only person who understands the heat summer league players, no one else in five reasons sports understands it, would we have a problem in five reasons sports or would we be in pretty good shape because you do understand it? Well, I think you should say, I think that's kind of the, if you're saying that, I take that as you're saying, nobody else understands it outside the heat, too. So I must be the only person that knows summer league ball, period, so that's a very, very big compliment. So thank you. That's, that's actually true. Heatnation.com, aggregate that, Legion Hoops come over the top and aggregate it again. All right, let's get to the players that are going to be playing in summer league. So again, Vegas doesn't start till next week. And so, you know, they're Sacramento first and all the rest of that. You still love when it was in Orlando, it was this easy trip up there, you just run into everybody, but not to be anymore. I know people don't want to see her talk about Kolo Ware and, and pal Larson, who looked pretty interesting in some clips that were put out there today, we'll get to them last. I want to, I want to talk to you about who else you're looking at out there. Yeah, so I think the main one, and we're seeing, you kind of get a good feel. I feel like for Miami's social media, a little bit, when, when they kind of hype up certain guys or, or around this time of year, because it kind of shows like what guys are kind of popping out a little bit more in which guys have kind of have a better chance of making the roster, I'd say. And Kasha Johnson is the guy that, from the start, that has kind of made the most sense to me and the fact that he already is on a two way. I think he's kind of the guy to watch because he's, look, he had a spike in his three point shooting. It's probably one of the reasons that the uneven three point, he's probably the reason he fell in draft that he's probably the reason he's in Miami right now. But the spike is kind of the curiosity part. It's the part of like, is this real? Can he continue to be like a legit three and D player? We know he has the defensive ability. We know he can size up. We know he can size down. We know he's really good on that end of the floor. We know he's really good off ball offensively. We know he can play in a specific role. We know all of that. It just comes down. So I'm curious to see how they use him, I guess, in this summer league, because I feel like they will kind of want him to be a high volume just, hey, if you're open off the catch from three, shoot it, this is what we want from you, because that's how we can tell how we can utilize you moving forward. So I think Kishaw Johnson is kind of one of the biggest ones, but Zion Poland is another one. It's not just because these two guys are two-way guys, but we're talking about a perfect point guard for summer league, it's Zion Poland. Like a guy that could just play his game, just get guys in their spots, just run a pure point guard role, just a guy that's going to run your offense so you can trust. I feel like that's kind of been Miami's summer league issues in the past, where I'll say like where we look forward to like the guys at the top, like let's say Killel Ware, these other guys, but it never ends up mattering because they can't get them the ball. Like I think it was the year with Jovitch, where Jovitch couldn't, Jovitch wasn't used properly because they had nobody out, they didn't have a point guard on that summer league roster. They didn't have anybody to like actually make Niko play his role that he would see moving forward. And I felt like that was a bit of a problem. And is a guy who could run picker roles, he's a guy that could throw it up to wear, he's a guy that could put kind of the shooters in their spots. So I think he's kind of an interesting one. I'll say the last one because it's the guy that we know about, Alondas Williams. I mean, he's been fun, like he's a super athlete, he pops, he's done good things for Miami's Glee team. And the fact that, you know, I know everybody wants to talk about Drew Smith in the, in the two way and everything, but Alondas is somebody that wants to compete for that. He wants, he's trying to solidify his spot in the NBA and still try to find a way into a roster. So he's going to look the broom. So, so that'll be another interesting name to kind of keep an eye on here, before in the summer league. Well, and we've talked about how the heat typically have this pipeline of players. And, you know, over the past couple of years, they've started to move on from some of these guys rather than overpay them that they've, they've said kind of a limit on it was Drew's. They were never really in the ballpark there with Vincent, they were, but, you know, again, they ended up coming down. So I think about the end, what they offered one more year and one more million or something along those lines. Gabe, Gabe went back to California, obviously didn't work out for him very well last year. And then this year, we're still waiting on Martin and high Smith. I've reported on previous podcast that they did make, you know, an offer to high, excuse me to, to Martin, if he had opted in that they could have offered him more than, than other teams could. They could have offered him up to five years. They were bigger raises, bigger initial raise, et cetera, or 40% raise over the current 7.1 million. He decided to opt out thinking he had a better market. And again, we're now what July 5th, and there's really no movement that we know about. And I don't know that Caleb is going to get more than the mid-level, the tax pyramid level of roughly $5 million after all. And then high Smith, we're still waiting on that one too. There's been some talk about both of them with Philadelphia or some other teams. But again, nothing has happened to this point. So maybe one of them is back, but there's really no chance at this point that both are going to be back. Are you comfortable with the pipeline now? I mean, I guess we have to see these guys at Summer League, but it does seem, and maybe this is unfair to other guys, but that there's a little higher upside to some of these guys. Is that fair to say? I'm talking about the draft picks, but just, you know, like, hey, when we talked about having a very high floor, but we didn't know how high his ceiling was, and to me at this point, he's actually exceeded what I thought. And Caleb, I mean, they looked at him as roster fodder, really, and he ended up becoming a guy who's second in voting in the Eastern Conference Finals MVP. Are you comfortable with where the pipeline is? Yeah, I think Miami, it was overdue for them to get a reshuffling. It feels like with the two ways, with the undrafted talent, with all that, because it felt like they were trying to squeeze some things out of a lot of the guys that were in that range, and it kind of felt like it kind of gotten to a certain point where it was like, okay, I think we're past that now. I think we know what we have with these guys. It's time to kind of get some more talented guys in the mix, and I think that's what you're seeing. Like, even like Josh Christopher is another name to watch on this Summer League team, just because when you're saying that about the more high upside guys, like a more talented player, it feels like Josh Christopher is like a Caleb Martin type, where he has the little bit more of the talent side, and it just comes down to him just trying to find his way out to a Miami roster to kind of prop up his stock a little bit. So I'm curious to see that, but 100%, like they needed some guys that have more upside, that have kind of more of a direction. I feel like with their game, like some of these guys, like, and it's nothing negative toward them, but like in Orlando Robins or Jamal Kane, like you know what they are. Like, even if you plug them into the regular season, which we've seen them do and it's worked and it's been okay, you, like, to your point, I mean, it is a high floor. You know what you're going to get, but you know, it's going to probably be nothing more. And I think with a lot of these guys, you kind of are at the point now where it feels like you have to start and reshuffle again and just kind of see what you could squeeze out of some of these guys. So like, like the names I was mentioning, like a Zion Poland, where it's kind of a restarting with a different type of point guard or a shooter, like Cole Swider is another interesting name, I guess, in this, this summer league, just because he's in that range of guys that have been here for a little bit, I guess, but he was really good in summer league last year. He was not with obviously Miami, he was with the Lakers, and he had a really big summer league. So maybe he could kind of find his range a little bit and try to just find some shooting depth. And I think the tough part for him, and I thought it was actually kind of weird to hear because he was kind of got a zoom interview after one of these practices, and he's talking about Pele and kind of how good of a shooter he is and how hard he works. And it's like, it almost feels weird to ask these guys that are like not like locked into the roster about a guy that could potentially jump in. That probably is for he's actually on the roster this quickly. And it's like, it feels like he did already get jumped in terms of shooting use, just because they're going to lean on their second round pick, they're going to lean on this guy with a little bit more talent. So that's why it'll just be interesting to see who can come out on top. The summer league matters. I mean, for these guys, like this has how you determine who they're going to lean on moving forward. And these two ways aren't like everybody, I know it gets up in arms when they see the two way contracts get posted because everybody wants real moves. But like these aren't like locked in deals, like these things can change tomorrow, like this could there could be a guy that pops in summer league this weekend, and he's on a two way already. So it's going to be just things devolving throughout the weeks. We talked a lot about RJ Barrett, RJ Hampton last year, and that didn't end up materializing. I mean, Kane is somebody who appears that he's been passed. He just had trouble getting playing time, even when they needed someone last year. And we're talking about Orlando Robinson, and that's kind of where I want to go with this next is that we saw Orlando Robinson really play really well in summer. They're going to be featured in summer league and get the guarantee. And yet we're still at the stage. We don't know if Orlando Robinson's going to be on roster this year. So these things do change year to year. I think some of the stuff of summer league is when they have a better roster at summer league, and it appears they do this year, it does allow more players to flourish. I remember a couple of years ago, where Haywood was pretty much their only semi NBA caliber player. And they were trying to feature in him, and it's not his game, you know what I mean? Whereas, you know, they featured Yeltsin, they featured Struce, and Max, I think it was really helpful. Like, we saw it kind of play out when he had those reps, and then he was having those reps in the Eastern Conference Finals, or in the finals, and you can see some of what he drew from summer league. Who do you think this team will feature? And I guess we're pivoting to the draft picks a little bit here more, but who's going to be the featured scorer? I mean, it feels like I'm just giving the obvious answer, but I want 100% believe it's Khalil Ware. And I'm glad you brought up Orlando Robinson, because I think it's similar to that. I mean, the fact that they were able to feature Orlando, like low block post-scores have more of a chance of dominating in summer league than like the actual NBA. There's a feature ability, it feels like for big men in summer league, like you saw with the Orlando type guy, that I think Miami is 100% going to feature him. The question I'm kind of posing with Ware is like, Struce, for example, they pretty much said, like, we want you to just, we're going to put the ball in your hands a ton, and just see what happens. Just try to grow, just try to see what we'll see what you can do, like just try to get as many reps as possible. Do they go that route, or do they go to the route of like what they did with Yovitch, where it's like, okay, we're going to put you in this spot, because we want to prepare you for your role in the NBA. We want you to be ready to play off ball. We want you to be ready to like, not because you're not going to have the ball in your hands at all times. So I'm curious to see how they kind of deal with that. Like, is it going to be a lot of pick and roll, trying to hit them on lobs constantly, or do they give them reps? Do they let him try to shoot the ball a little bit more off than he would in a regular season game? Do they let him kind of get more mid post reps and work the mid-range game a little more? I think they probably let him do a lot more than the normal stuff. Like, I think they're going to try to, like, you'll see a game or two where he's just predominantly dunk or spot, screen, roll, lob, just pick and pop, like, very in a box. But I do think a lot of the time, he does have a little bit more in his game that I think a lot of fans, and I think the coaching staff wants to see it. He seems to think he could put the ball on the floor a little bit more. He seems to think he has a little bit of a mid-range game. I know there's some workout videos going around. Like, his jumper off the dribble looks sort of fluid for a seven footer. So, 100%, I think he's the guy that they're going to feature, but to your point, they do have a lot more talent on this roster than they have in past ones. So I do think that scoring could end up being spread around a little bit more. I mean, to me, the most interesting roster since they had non-inheroes starting in the back court with Duncan in the three. And those guys played off of each other, and obviously it parlayed itself into the regular season because Kendrick Mountain got off to a blazing start, and of course Tyler had the rookie year that he had. So I feel like, you know, the KaSha Johnson Larson connection, which we saw on some of those videos that were dropped today, that's going to be featured also. And actually, he's probably going to help both guys, that they have familiarity with each other. And you mentioned KaSha Johnson is really interesting to me. Larson, I just why, again, this just clips, you know, and again, this is not regular season NBA ball and let alone playoff ball. But he's athletic, like you can just tell, like he moves like an athlete. And you know, it reminds me a little of Max, actually, you know, and that was one of the things about Max that was underrated was his overall athleticism. I see some of that with Larson, I can see what they liked. And I feel, again, like their conviction on these guys, and I, you know, look, again, we can argue about what's going on. And I, look, Barry wrote a piece for the Herald today, I'm just sort of starting to get through it. Barry convinced me to finally pay the sub, I haven't paid since I left the Herald in 2016. But I paid for this story and then I'll cancel it. But no, I wouldn't cancel Barry's work, I just, I'm just waiting for Barry to come over to us. But when I was, I, when I was looking at it, we'll go through it. Okay. And Greg and I are going to kind of go through it point by point over the weekend. But the one thing I, again, that, that can't really be argued with about where the organization is right now is they have had a knack for finding young, young talent lately, or young contributors. And that is not something the organization did well through the course of Riley's time. But it certainly has over the past few years, there's no argument with that. The draft picks on the whole have been excellent for where they've chosen. And also the, you know, the guys that they have found in recent years who heat fans are lamenting when they leave because they were contributors when they were here. And so I have a lot of confidence when they like a guy and target a guy and the fact that they had a second round pick this year, which they haven't always had, Larson is, is, is compelling to me. I, I think they've, they've got, they may have something there and there may be a role for him this year, Brady. I mean, like, I mean, right? I mean, and let me say he, I don't know that Swider is an NBA player. I'm not convinced of that yet. He doesn't move like an athlete. He moves like a, you know, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, obviously he's an athlete. He's an NBA player. He's an NBA two way player, but I'm saying he doesn't have that kind of wiggle to his game that it appears that Larson is. Yeah. And I think that you brought up Tyler before in summer league. I think the big thing there is like, Tyler coming in was called like this catch and shoot shooter. Like he wasn't expected to be this pull up pick and roll player. And that's kind of similar to Larson in some ways because of his, his numbers and because of his shot and everything. But he has the ability to put the ball in his hands. Like he has the ability to create, he has the ability to play, make, he has the ability to do some of those things like you mentioned the word athleticism 100% and every time I'd seen a couple, like the guys on the summer league team up like right when you bring him up. And that's the first thing they bring up is like deceiving athleticism where like Max exactly. So you as that, he does have the wiggle to his game. He does have that ability to like put his head down a little bit, finish at the rim. So I do think he does like legit having a more all around game and you talk about him being used in the regular season, 100% when guys go down and they're looking for constant contributors. How about a guy that has versatility offensively isn't boldly defensively and is just a pure outside shooter like Spoh will utilize that all day. But I am intrigued to see how he is used in summer league because I mean, when he was playing in Arizona, like there was a lot of points where he was like a role player like he's going to be a role player here, but he played in an offense where he's like a screen and role guy where he's a playing at the free throw line guy like he wasn't like always being a top utilized threat. So I do think that that transitional will be intriguing to see and that it does matter. I think the connection with him in Kishan Johnson, like when you have that chemistry and lineups and you have that pick and roll and hand off and that that's a chemistry like I think that stuff does carry over. So the other word I'll say would mention clearly aware before the fact that the I think it was Cole Swider, he came away after that practice and he said the first thing he brought up with with Khalil Ware was physicality, he's like he's a physical monster. If the first thing you're saying about Khalil Ware is a physical monster like there's something with this guy because that was like the one thing people are wondering like does he have the physicality, is he going to be able to box out, is he going to be able to do all that stuff. He has the pure talent ability, he has the length, he has the shop walking, he has the rebounding, he has all of that, if he's able to be like out, like really having the physical elements to the game. And the reason why I kept saying it when they drafted him like Miami wouldn't have picked him unless he really showed out in a draft workout that he had that physical stuff like that he had the willingness to work and really put in that stuff. So that is probably we know about the skill set. I think that'll be the stuff to watch in Summer League is like like his work, his willingness to like make plays like that, his extra efforts. That's the stuff that's going to be intriguing. So what I understand, this is a pretty fun Summer League roster. And here's the other thing, when you have like a first round and a second round pick that like on paper naturally fit, that's what makes it fun to me. Like I want to see actions with those two because if you could, that's a perfect balance like Larson's ability to put his like, we know it's him as a shooter, but he could put his head down and we know the length and everything of Ware, but he can pop out to the three. So I think I just try to maximize those two in actions together as much as possible. Well, and of course, you know, when we start to see players pop in Summer League, whether they're draft picks or undrafted, you know, we start to think about, okay, which guys on the roster may not be as necessary. And you know, look, they've already signed Birx for the minimum. If Larson shows out as a shooter and looks here, he's ready to contribute, is it easier to trade Duncan Robinson than I, you know, that that would be my question because, and then, you know, again, you're looking at with, with Caleb and I Smith, okay, because Sean Johnson, there seems to be an opportunity here, a lot of this Williams, there seems to be an opportunity here. So there are opportunities for these guys. And I think again, he fans have to get used to the fact that you may see these guys play for your team for only two or three years. And then, you know, it becomes kind of cost prohibitive to keep a lot of them in a lot of cases, it's not smart to keep a lot of them if you can develop another one. There's nothing over the past, I don't know, since Spoh, I think had a big role in obviously Sioux Falls and the connection that was developed there, Adam others, since they've put this thing together, this developmental program, they've literally churned out one or two guys a year that are NBA contributors. And there tends to be a little bit of an arc to it, where like the first year is kind of getting your feet wet and then you go to Summer League and then you get the two, you know, you get the two way and then eventually you get the guarantee and then you're starting in the finals. I mean, that's tended to be the way it's gone. And then you're gone. I mean, that was the max arc and gave out a similar one. And you know, the heat pushed back on the Drew Smith stuff, because I know heat fans are frustrated because they don't really see it with Drew Smith. I mean, I think 98% of heat fans don't see it. Spoh loves him. Okay, I said he would be back when he got hurt last year for that exact reason. But you know, they'll say, well, nobody really thought much of gave at the beginning either. So there is a little bit of trust that I think has to go into this. All right, Brady, I appreciate you breaking it down with us. We will have coverage of that on playback. We're going to be following the games from Summer League, so we'll be checking that out. We're actually going to talk some basketball instead of aggregation rumors. Yes, I did shoot down the market and thing this morning. I'll probably talk with Greg about that. I was told they're not in on him. I know that ESPN was reported they are in on him, Barry did not report that they are in on him. He just reported that ESPN was reporting that. So everybody get off my ass. Have a good night, everybody. What's next at Moss Adams? That question inspires us to help people and their businesses strategically define and claim their future. 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