There have been a lot of reports and a lot of frustration, as the MIami Heat haven't done much to make themselves contenders this offseason so far. Ethan Skolnick presents all the latest information in context, about Caleb Martin, Haywood Highsmith, DeMar DeRozan, Donovan Mitchell and more.
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Yeah, I'm gonna throw plan Got them all day. Y'all see the block stopping one hand and pappy trust is probably having guts We here to bring the heat y'all can hang it up Welcome to five on the floor a daily insider show on the Miami Heat and the NBA featuring Ethan Skolnick Greg Sylvander and Alex Toledo plus others from the five reason sports network All right, welcome back to five on the floor here's today's floor plan I'm Ethan Skolnick and follow me Ethan J. Skolnick and five reason sports. I got Alex Toledo You can follow me a tropical blanket. I got Greg Sylvander You can follow me Greg Sylvander Brady will be joining us on podcast throughout the week happy July 4th to everybody We didn't necessarily plan on doing this this morning, but when we have new information We will break in with podcast. So I do have a lot of new information and explanatory Information we understand that heat fans are frustrated. We get it. I mean I was looking at You know the heat can't even wish a happy July 4th to people. I'm looking at this This is a IG post from the heat have a hate safe and happy fourth of July heat nation and Somebody's the first comment here is we're certainly safe from getting any superstars on our team We're also safe from winning a championship. That's how safe we are alright I'm gonna explain what's going on. Okay, and the reality is you're not gonna get this anywhere else So we appreciate you subscribing to find on the floor Let me give you some what is old business or about a current player and then we'll go forward I can report that the heat are fully expecting Terry Rosier to be ready for training camp so They held him out last year on doctor's advice because they were told that the neck injury which again is a Dangerous injury in general anything with a neck back etc the neck injury could get worse if he continued to play End of story. I know people want the whole backstory about how it happened and all that stuff. I'm just telling you Why they made the decision and I'm telling you he's expected to be ready for training camp and he's already shooting and doing some other stuff so Provided that he's not traded. He'll either be the heat starting point guard or his pack kind of intimated in his press conference Maybe he's the sixth man, but he'll be one of their top six players. Okay, if he's here So that's a number one. Oh, by the way Greg Alex hello Why don't we you know what? Let's do it this way. Why don't you guys get in on things? I say and then I'll Go to the next thing because I got it. We got a lot to get to Thoughts on rosier. Are you I mean, it's it's good news and in a sea of bad news or at least perceived bad news about the organization lately, right? I mean, yeah, right like I think that was like the big mystery to finish the season was what's going on with Terry rules Here's Nick it happened out of nowhere and there wasn't very many updates on it So to hear that he'll be ready to go for next season is good because I mean one of the like the only Things that you can look forward to as a heat fan is being able to you know get a full year of him Having you know go through participating training camp and to actually have you know a full season with them and just Be fully integrated with the team So to hear that he's ready for the start of the season is you know good good news Like you don't want him to be even more delayed because frankly like they just they could use the stuff that he brings Greg the one thing I want to jump in on on Terry rosiers that It's interesting as we watch this off-season play out And this is the moment that I'll mention it because I was in full support of the Terry rosier trade But it appears now as if had they let Kyle Lowry's expiring contract just expire They would have had access to the mid-level. They would be further away from these dreaded aprons and so It's unfortunate that now I think fans that were super excited about Terry rosier joining the heat are now a little apprehensive about How is he gonna fit? How does he finish next to Tyler stuff like that? Because you're looking at how strapped they are in this off-season and it has a lot to do with the fact that instead of letting Kyle Lowry's Bloated expiring contract just expire they invested in Terry rosier Yeah, and you know again, it's unfortunate We didn't get to see what it looked like I have serious concerns about a rosier hero backcourt And I think others share those concerns But if they're both back and there's no guarantee at this point off-season is still relatively young If they're both back then they're gonna have to figure it out at times I mean, that's just the nature of it even if they don't start together They're gonna play a lot together and they're gonna have to figure out how to cover that up defensively All right, second thing we're gonna get to is Kayla more Okay So the Miami Heat wanted Kayla Martin back. I mean we'll make that clear. Okay. They wanted Kayla Martin back And let me just go through the specifics of what they could have offered and now what other teams or they can offer and Why it appears at least at this time that Caleb's camp made a big mistake. Okay so The Heat wanted him to opt in To the contract which was what seven point one million dollars and at that stage they had the right to offer up to a 40% raise on that. Okay, so let's do the math on that. That's an additional Three and a half or something. Well, not three and a half three million dollars roughly. Okay, maybe get it over ten million bucks, right? and then Raises as you go forward. Okay, eight percent and they could offer up to an eight percent increase From that year over year. Okay, and you also have the right to offer a five-year deal They didn't want it. Okay. Now. I'm not kidding. Who's that exactly the number the representative? Okay They they didn't they thought his market was bigger and I will say The media reports and this is why media reports sometimes, you know You know confused things because some media reports are real and some media reports are others Pumping up a number because they want the player to leave this current team or because the agent is doing it or whatever To create leverage. Let me do reports where Caleb was gonna make north of 13 million dollars. That's what was out there. Okay But the Heat basically said look we can offer this now But if you go out and explore and opt out We may not be in position to offer it Because of other business that we need to do etc so he opts out and You have to understand the most you can get from another team is four years and The most you can get in terms of raises is five percent All right, also you're looking at no state no state tax other things like that that do matter in terms of the overall value of the contract Caleb does not appear to have the market that his representation thought he had All right, it has not materialized But the problem now is and I want to be done clear on this. Okay, the heat are roughly Seven million dollars under the second apron. I will tell you definitively. I will put Anybody's life on it. They are not going into the second apron. It's not happening. We've explained why It's not just about being quote unquote cheap It does not make sense that there are vehicles you cannot use in the second apron Okay, and they are not they look we've dealt with this lack of flexibility that they have for the last what three off seasons They're not going to give themselves less flexibility. Okay, and We'd all do respect not for Kayla more. Okay, who they like all right so It appears now that the best that Caleb's going to do on the open market is maybe Around what the heat have to offer But right now the heat are not in a rush to offer the money to anybody because they want to see what falls to them We'll get into the Demar DeRozan situation in a minute Okay, so again Hate to say it. This looks like a Dennis Schroeder situation and I'm not belittling the representation. I'm just I I've known in the it's this experience representation But this is the grand point. Okay, that I think has to be resolved here in the NBA it appears that a lot of agents do not understand the new CBA and And I have been told by people inside the heat that really only one person on their side understands it Okay, I'm like one person in the league and it happens to be at the Ellisburg Okay But it just appears that a lot of these ages don't understand it and so there's you know And I can also tell you Caleb still has interest in coming back to the heat. They just don't have the money Right now, they have it, but they don't have it. Does that make sense to you guys and and Would you move on from it because it appears that they kind of have to They got 5.2 million bucks. That's what they have to offer and so this that shit is fascinating to me though the way that this has played out with Caleb because Coming off that Eastern Conference Finals run, etc You just thought that the market would be more robust that you'd at least be able to get close to a mid-level contract You know what I mean? And so that now that they're in a position where they want it It was a little bit of a work with me kind of scenario if you opt in then we'll take care of you and and and that kind of thing and players have kind of deviated from working with teams like that in the last few off seasons and now I think You may start to see players need to do that because the squeeze of the market is gonna is gonna dictate that like They're not gonna be able to get the money elsewhere I do think they kind of have to move on except for you can just kind of have a standing offer of if you'll come for the taxpayer mid-level will give it to you but To your point that could go to Heywood Highsmith that could go to an external player if they need to replace both of those guys But also they could not use it like that's another option here that I think we need to consider And so it's just it's fascinating to me that they were ready to invest with Caleb if had he worked with them You know, he's had injury concerns and and stuff like that and they were still gonna invest in him And he made that kind of a decision I think everyone would have predicted he made and now it could really backfire Well, it's again. Sometimes the player makes a decision and sometimes the agent convinces him to make the decision and Something broke down. I know I know that I'll just say this. I know that there's there's hope that Caleb understands that he wanted it back Okay, and and that's but at this point. I don't really know I my guess is it's probably not gonna happen, but that's just a guess Alice I'm gonna go to you on the next one. Okay, really quick note about Caleb by the way The everything life set is true the other thing that they can still do if you know if Caleb and his camp You know would of course be okay with it is You know there you said that there are roughly seven million under the second apron if you want to get specific I think it's like six point eight million and so you can offer him a contract just below that We're like there the first year starts just below that and then you give him raises from there But that is still like a significantly smaller contract than him and his people thought they were getting so I don't necessarily think You're also then not going to use the vehicle you're not going to use the tax pyramid level them because you know So the thing is you get hard capped at the second apron if you use the tax pay tax pyramid level So I mean I had to imagine they would rather just bring back one of their own guys then use the tax pyramid level For an outside free agent who they probably think isn't as good So I wouldn't be surprised if one of Caleb or Haywood were to take that deal eventually But I don't think either one of them are like, you know, that's that's what we were looking for But that's about it at this point like I think it would be like a contract starting at about 6.7 ish Mill and then with raises, you know going forward, maybe it's a three four year deal I don't know. I don't know if that's what they want to do, but that is still available to them I think it seems like they're still trying to bring one of those two back Well, let me pivot to the next guy then and let me say to Haywood and then we'll go to break But let me explain one thing here Okay about the new CBA and I put this on discord we recommend again that you go to discord and sub sub there The heat did some things prior to the new CBA that they would not do now Because the new CBA changed from rules and again, this has happened to the heat before if you go back to The sign and trades they executed for LeBron and Bosch, which a lot first thing forced them to give up for first round picks And you do it again you got two titles and four titles and four finals appearances But I'm just saying it forced them to give up, you know for first round picks and to give opt outs after the fourth year Which of course LeBron left and then they had to pay Bosch over the top And then of course that became an issue with Dwayne the rules were changed right after that basically so this is this has happened before but The heat gave the heat do not regret the contracts at Tyler here on Duncan Robinson in terms of their market value They don't okay. I know some are gonna argue about that Duncan they believe was paid like shooters were supposed to be paid at that point and again I thought Duncan lived up to the contract last year And Tyler was paid according to a lot in his draft class who actually he had played better than You know for the most part like an RJ Barrett, etc And so they don't regret that I too can tell you what they do regret, okay So Tyler here has some unlikely to be earned incentives in his contract And these incentives apply for all four years of the deal. He's entering the the second year of it and Basically, he gets an additional $2.5 million if he plays at least 75% of the regular season games, which he did not do this past year and Gets one of these Okay. Well, actually it's different numbers for each of them. He gets a million dollars additionally if he wins MVP 1.5 million if he wins defense player of the year I mean, I don't mean to laugh but I don't even understand the point of these one million dollars if he's first or second team All in NBA and then the only one that was like a shot was 500,000 for third team all NBA Here's the problem. Okay. They all count against the aprons Okay, bone unlikely bonuses count against the aprons so Part of the reason that there are only seven million dollars roughly under the second apron is because of these unlikely to be earned bonuses That being the rules change I still don't understand and I probably should have asked for clarification on this with people I've spoken to but I still don't even understand the point of them. I Guess I don't know it's window dressing. I guess I don't it makes a deal just you know it adds a little bit of Like a sweetener on top I guess but this is the thing with this and we can't lose sight of it And I was the biggest proponent of trading Kyle Lowry But had they just let Lowry expire in retrospect and they knew that these apron restrictions were coming I Have harping back on it like it's or harking back at whatever the phrase is They also should take a little bit of responsibility for the fact that they knew that this was coming and they did swap Terry with a pic for Kyle Lowry, which at the time we thought it was the right move, but now we see No, I get it, but we all liked it right and that's that's the thing here. So I mean they were trying to give themselves a chance and Then yeah, we can say argue whether that was delusional or not, but I argued in favor of it And you know who knew again the Jimmy was gonna get hurt and all that sort of stuff But they as Alex said Terry gave him some of the things they were looking for But then he got hurt and that's why I started with him because I I do think that that is that is that is a fact for knows All right. I want to mention a couple sponsor here, and then we'll get to Haywood The Rosen after that. 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It appears to be another case of uh You know a misread of the market by a player's representative That's that's what it appears to be For me i'll quickly Yeah, I just want to say that I think that this is the most likely player to return I think haywood high smith may ultimately find that a number near that Tax payer mid level even though they don't have to spend that but just like in that tier of salary five six million Dollars is going to be his market and I could see him coming back that that would be my hunch there um Caleb martin they that that ship. I believe has sailed although if they had to choose between the two I think they probably would go Caleb. Um, I think it might be why they did my high smith comes back Well, they kind of did if you think about it. I mean they they kind of did choose and I understand it I think calives upside is higher. Um, I can also tell you that spose gonna have uh influence in um in what they do with that money Because because that they do lean on him for stuff like that Alex would you just would you just give haywood? The five if he asked for it just give him five million dollars and say okay here We're running back Absolutely. I think getting him back at the taxpayer mid level him or Caleb frankly Um would be a good deal for the heat like I think that's Pretty good value. Now. I think you can question start to question it whether it's for halo Jesus. I just did that on the last podcast too, whether it's for calib or haywood Um like if you want to offer them three four-year deals, that's a different conversation But if you're just talking about like first year five million dollars Absolutely, absolutely and like I said like same thing I said for calib earlier You know they can do for haywood they can offer as much as around 6.7 mil On the first year and would raise his afterwards, but that's that's the most they can offer in the current situation that they're in right now and You know if they wanted to get under the first apron to be able to offer more they would have to offload one of their bigger contracts I don't know that's going to happen and I'm sure we can you know We're going to get into that as far as like through the mar conversation But you know with where they're at right now I think the taxpayer mid level would be a you know a big time disappointment for either calib or haywood Right like from their ends and I think that he would be pretty happy if they could get one of a back uh, you know for that cost All right, let's get to dorozin This is why I like podcast because it's it's tough to explain this stuff in a tweet I want to be clear on one thing here I'm not challenging another reporter and the last reporter honestly that I would ever challenge on information Um when it comes to the teams in town is is uh berry jackson from the herald. So again, I that's uh, I've known berry for Long enough that we were we were annoyed that the heat passed on michael red to take any house Okay, when we were waiting on the draft of the second round of the sun trust building So uh again, I'm not I'm not questioning somebody else's reporting and I appreciate when they people Other reporters don't question mine. I'll just say that this is the information that I have. Okay There was a conversation between dorozin's representation and the heat, okay um Basically the agent wanted to know if the heat would like to more dorozin Yes, we'd love to more dorozin This is what we have to offer 5.2 million So essentially after that, okay It was all right. We could explore a sign and trade Now here's the thing about a sign and trade. It's got to be three-year deal Okay, and the other team has to cooperate And I can tell you the bulls were not interested in contracts from the heat They want picks So There's nothing else to talk about Okay I could tell you If dorozin says I will take 5.2 million dollars dorozin will have a press conference with a Miami heat And then people said you said they did what dor? Oh, they want dor This is the price that this is what they have Under the second apron to pay dor But this plays into what we're talking about with guys like calim and haywood now Because if there's a potential of a dorozin type player or something close that could fall to that number Because again, a lot of the agents don't seem to understand the cba and the market dynamics and everything as they are now Then they're not going to end up resigning haywood or calib because they're going to get Player of the caliber of dorozin who even at his age is a better player than calibre wood Okay That's where that stands Greg I mean, I think we've all said it was pretty unlikely Just because the tax or excuse me the non-tax payer mid-level Would be I would think the minimum dorozin would be looking for around a league considering what his past salaries have been Would have to take a huge haircut on that salary. So Um to me this was never a really realistic option. I never Bought into it very much even though there could be conversations and I even saw that there was a report that And we referenced this on the last show Uh that the heat were the favorites to land dorozin. It's just not realistic And it's just if the market dries up to the point that he is willing to accept five point two million dollars They're going to have decisions to make because that means the market will likely have dried up for a few other players too like calib like high smith, etc So, um, I wouldn't expect him or dorozin to eventually land. I think Land in Miami. I think that he'll end up finding a deal for slightly more than that from somewhere else He's gonna get a deal for a lot more than that. I think I just he's still a very effective player Um, even if he doesn't fit on every team like that's and honestly one of the teams he doesn't really fit on is this one Uh, but again if he's gonna play for five million dollars You take him. Okay. I mean if he's making slightly more than top is bryat No offense to top is bryat. You take him That's the way that this is and as far as the allic burks works move They saw an opportunity to get a player that they thought actually played pretty well in the playoffs when he got an opportunity At really no risk no cost Doesn't work out. It doesn't work out, but I mean you had a shooter. There's no damn I mean, there's no harm in that it just it doesn't mean anything else Uh alice i'll go to you in the next thing because I want to get to it. Um Can I make a quick note on tomorrow? Yes, you can Um, you know, there was a report yesterday about berry You know berry jacks and saying that the kings have been involved there and you know The kings have been kind of thrown into a lot of these star names like we heard talk about them Maybe being interested in engram them. Maybe being interested in larry marketing Um, if it's true what you're saying that the bulls are not interested in getting contracts and rooms It's actual sign and trade, you know regarding In the mar de rose and Then that kind of takes the kings out of the ball park too And so i'm starting to wonder like what is his market? Where is he going to play this season because I don't think it's going to be back in chicago Um, the leaker's thing seems kind of you know out of the the plans as well Um, the kings are not I mean the bull not trying to get contracts in return So I don't know how involved the kings can be so yeah like there might be a possibility of de rose and just Settling for that taxpayer mid-level. I don't know. I'm I wouldn't bet on it But like I just really Marketed to that again, but then alice to that point if that's the case then you hold it a little longer, right? I mean, that's I mean, I mean unless there's some other opportunity that's that tremendous that presents itself And then I know again if cala believes For similar money to the taxpayer mid-level heat fairs and be like oh you missed out on cala, but like It it makes sense to wait a week doesn't it Like just to see yeah, I think it makes sense to wait I just I don't know if like I just think the whole situation with the mars a little confusing right now Especially why you've got like the marketing thing going on like I don't know a brand that engraves going to get moved So I just feels like there's so many like there's a lot of there's a lot of things going on and then at the same time it's like with the heat Like the margarose on the five million dollar taxpayer mid-level would be a huge You know like that's that's a huge bargain for the heat if that were to happen But is that you know like with the rosser as it currently stands is that what's missing or is it perimeter defense? And so I feel like they would want to bring Haywood Yeah, and it's like that's why we were discussing the possibility like a couple of days ago Or it's like well if they wanted to get under the first apron to offer demar a good amount You know if they offloaded one of their bigger contracts They would be able to do that to give him an amount that I think is closer to what he wants And also be able to bring back one of caliper haywood and so that's why I feel like I don't really see either of these things happening. It just feels like it's too complicated I like I'm sure the heat like de rose and I'm not doubting that. I'm sure they appreciate him He's jimmy's friend like I Think frankly, he's a better score then tyler can do it on isolation Can get to the free throw line is a decent passer Um tyler is just obviously a much better three-point shooter So you'd be exchanging, you know for as much as tyler takes mitties He takes a lot of threes and you'd be exchanging those for even more mitties Some free throw attempts So I think it's just a weird fit and I think like everything that he would have to do to make it viable Does it seem like Stuff they would do but you know again, I don't know where he's gonna end up it feels totally up in the air right now All right, so let's get to this star conversation here. Okay, um because I am I'm saving this for the 30th minutes. The aggregators don't get to it. Okay, they will anyway Um, so I'm gonna try to wear this as carefully as I can. All right, the donovan mitchell stuff All right There were no conversations with cleveland Please don't aggregate it without listening to the rest of this. Okay This does not mean the heater asleep Okay There were no conversations with cleveland because mitchell is a under contract was still under contract. Okay And was looking at an extension So if he had declined the extension I believe and I don't have this on both I believe that he would have explored it But he didn't Uh, he didn't uh decline the extension. Okay he Kept he took the extension And so basically There's really nothing to talk about there and I I know where this is going. Okay. I I know where this is going Ethan's big excuses for the broad office. They don't want to get a star player. Okay. I I know where this is going and then we're going to talk about trade at closest things It's not to pay don't want to start player. It's not that they wouldn't have paid the freight for it. He was not available at that point Okay, now dame last year was available under contract But available. Okay, because he made it clear he wasn't going to stay in Portland that general manager wouldn't deal with the heat So here here's where the star player thing is and I can tell you what frustrates the heat a lot Okay, is that there are players that they were never really in on for one reason or another which was not negligence necessarily But just circumstance And yet every time that these players are put out there then it's on a heat missed on another one Well, they missed on another one who was not an option. Okay, I can tell you flat out. All right the one guy The one guy who was offered to the heat. All right And the heat did not act on it was Bradley Beale And we told you why they did that because pat asked the agent Will he wave the no trade clause? The agent said no The player was traded to the agent's son in phoenix And now the sons are trying to get off of that contract But he has no trade clause Okay So that's the one the other one that people are going to mention is kairi And I know again there are other issues that were involved in that. Okay, but besides the political stuff The heat had concerns because he's basically Torched his way out of like three previous places All right, it's worked out and that was so far. Okay. Good. Good for kairi Good for the mavs We'll see if it lasts All right, but that's the one and to be honest, that's the only one That's gotten his team out of the second round of any of these players that have been discussed So i'm just saying like Again, i'm not making excuses for them. I'm just saying The Mitchell stuff would they have been interested in Donovan Mitchell. Yes. Here's the thing about the NBA that's different from the NFL All right There are only so many players there are only so many stars Identifying good players in the draft is hard It's harder than it used to be because players don't play as much in college or that you're evaluating, you know, basic high school kids You're evaluating international players, etc But once they get to the NBA everybody knows what everybody can do. It's not like oh my god pat has this genius idea This lorry marketing guy he can really shoot. No, okay Utah identified him as somebody who maybe had more potential than he had shown even as a high pick Uh in Cleveland in chicago, right good for them They got a really good player who now is a really good asset, right? But the other stuff like this is not complicated like this we talk about the same players they talk about Like it's it's not like we're great scouts here I mean, you know, we watch Anthony Edwards play would you like to have that guy? Yes Okay, like this is not what's they get to this level if they start to develop then you know what they are Okay, it's why also pat and I will say this is short cutting it But it is what is he's always like these guys in the kind of their late 20s Okay into their 30s. Okay, when you've seen what they can do already All right It's Adam simon's job and his team to identify. Okay. He's clearly aware like does that look like a player? Okay, that's to me. That's harder. Okay. That's a lot harder All right, the rest of this shit is not that complicated. It's just understanding Okay, how do we have the assets? Can we get this player in and etc? We can have long conversations about Asset management and all that how much the new cba has affected it etc. Okay, but this idea that they don't want a star Is Why would they not want a star? Okay, now they believe they have a star And I can tell you that They're banking on jimmy butler to be one this year He was not last year Okay, he was not available enough to be a star They're banking on him in a contract year to play his ass off And to benefit from that do they believe they'll contend even if he does? No They're not delusional. Okay, boston just won a championship and they return everybody And that's just one team. Okay. See has loaded up. Okay Philadelphia has loaded up Milwaukee has improved. Okay, or slightly. Okay, and you figure a second year with dame and john and jon is okay That they they understand it. They're not asleep But it's just they're waiting for the right opportunity. All right, and so I'll close with this and I'll let you guys close Would trade be the right opportunity? I haven't been told yes, and I haven't been told no. Okay. I'll just say that flat out. All right if something makes sense for them And a player is going to come to them in a way that doesn't compromise their asset pool All right, or financial flexibility going forward vehicle flexibility going forward Uh second apron flag. They're not paying the second apron. They're not going in the second apron They will look at it Okay, I don't believe to my knowledge. They've ruled out tray But it depends what it is What is what is what is what is what do they want? What does it land on? They look apparently they're going to get less than two first round picks And a player, which is what they got for jajante, right? So we'll see but all I want to say is this right? Are they in an eye? I'll let you close right? Are they in an house? Are they in an ideal position? No, okay? They're not where they should be Contending All right, but they feel they're a mover to away from being there In addition to the growth of some of their young guys And they're just waiting for the right one greg I'm glad you mentioned the last part because I was going to go right back to when you said that They internally do not and this is just accepting reality. Uh-huh That They're not contenders. I think fans then say get creative Maybe take a risk, but also is it time to Pivot and strip it down to some degree and we know that he don't historically do that but drastic times call for drastic measures and second aprons means maybe sometimes you got a um And in first aprons and all these new things that are in the mix I just think that they have to consider all options And so I think that's where fans get frustrated is they feel like there's a lack of creativity and maybe some poor planning combined Uh, and that's in a tough position to be in because then if you know that you're not going to contend Even if you're superstar comes in and plays a legitimate amount of games at a high level And what are we doing here? And so like that that's a little of a defeatist kind of point of view And it surprises me to a degree and I I understand that there one or two moves away But you can't just remain one or two moves away at some at some point you have to execute And I think the roger trade maybe Has them a little more cautious and what they execute because they have to think about the uh, go forward implications I I feel like they're just in such a tough spot and Um, like, you know the stuff that late was talking about earlier with very trade where like it kind of kept them from being able to Stand to the first apron. They had to invest a first round pick Into it They they have to have considered that stuff I think they have to have considered those factors when they were making that trade and Essentially just decided that it was worth the risk Right because that's that's what they did with the sari trade like individually We all like the trade because we all thought that like his skill set could help the heat But now they're at this point where they're even more strapped for cash, right? Like they just don't have many things to offer. They don't have Damn near any levers to pull Um that they would have if they would have remained under the under the first apron by sitting letting by simply letting calari walk And they're not in that position Anymore and so What do you do now? You mentioned getting creative And it's like you can't have it both ways as a heat friend right because you like some people will look at like the thunder Or you know name young team here with other first round picks and it's like Well, you like oh you want to be like them except you have to be bad for years most of the time to be able to do that And then at the same Time is like oh go after the tray young If you go after tray young you're likely gonna have to give up like several of your young guys because you don't have the first round picks to offer I think they have like one tradable first right now. I'm not I got a check on that, but I think that's the case Um, even though they do own more first in the future But because of the stepping rule and all these protections and of picks that they currently owe It's a little complicated. So if you don't have more than a first round pick to offer you're good You would likely have to give up, you know All the young guys you drafted over the past few years just to be able to get a tray young Which by the way, I'm completely open to I think a guy like that a one-man offense one of the best shooting shooters scores and patters in the league You know who's who fits the Jimmy and bam timeline. I think it would fit pretty well You know, I think they could work around his defense and You know cover it up and that's that's the fatal flaw and you deal with it because what they've got right now It's like what life is saying. There's no direction You know, there's they're emitting themselves that they're not a contender. It's like yeah They've got a lot of nice players individually, but the mix together isn't necessarily a contender And so it feels like they have to pick a direction and and not just oh we're gonna hope Jimmy plays really well and that everything works out at the end next summer. I just think that's it's it's a very It's very risky And like I understand them wanting to you know wait for the right Trade to pop up and you know, it's it's still pretty early in the summer. So I don't blame them at all I think it's more about you know, if they head into the season with the same roster and nothing has changed They probably got to pick a direction as of right now I'm more than fine with them waiting for the opportunity to trade for a star And I hope they're not too stubborn, you know to see like when it comes like guys I trade young who is like oh, you're gonna have to trade all these things You're not always gonna be able to get a damn near superstar level talent for cheat Like look at what mikel bridges just went for and it's not going to decide the market Like you could still get guys for better value than what But just like being like oh, we're only traded for this guy if it's you know at our cost of You know what we want a first round pick and maybe one young player like You know, it's it's hard to expect that nowadays like if you're really in this championship window You make desperate decisions. That's what that's what the next did That's why they traded for unprotected first along with another pick along with another pick swap He don't have access to any of those things. So it's either And And re stash your draft capital, which we all know they're probably not going to do or go all in I feel like they have to make it You know, they have to make a decision because this whole like balancing both timelines thing With the way it stands right now. I really like nico I really like hyme and I was excited about the draft that they had Are those things going to help you now in the short term if your goal is to win with jimmy If you already moved on mentally from jimmy, and it's like we're already thinking about the next build Then that's a completely different story But that just goes back to the thinking that they need to pick a direction and look Whichever one it is. It's fine. Just pick one. I think trade young is a dang good player If that would become available, I think it would immensely help the heat I just i'm going to be upset and I think a lot of people are if it's just like, you know a couple months from now He gets traded somewhere else. It's like, oh, man. There's a last domino. Oh the heat You know, they couldn't get it at their price They thought that trading this this and this and this was too much and this is like, oh, man Here we are again, and it just feels like this never ending loop. Please just pick a direction But here's the thing about that do they don't I understand this idea of not going to training camp with a roster that is similar or worse to last seasons. I mean they've lost What they've lost the lawn they're likely going to lose at least haywood or calid maybe both um And I understand the perception of that, um, but i'll just i'll just close with this. Okay that that there is You don't have to make a trade before the start of the season to make a trade that affects next season Right. I mean there there are four months or three months prior to the trade deadline before that and you don't know what's going to become available And yes, I know what people are going to say if trays traded for not what heat fans think he's worth And I trust me i'm prepared for all of that Uh, but I just i'm and i'm not saying okay that this team is is good enough to win anything I think they're probably even with jimmy playing 65 games. They're probably the seventh best team in the east Six or seventh, uh, that's not a place that they want to be it's not a place that they belong Um, but and again circumstances a lot of them have played against them Um You know, I think they need to improve this team, but i'll just say this they know they need to improve this team Okay, so It's at some point They will do something to improve this team, but we also got to be careful Not to have both ways because we say well desperate teams do desperate things We just spent a lot of time talking about a trade that we liked the terry rosier trade Which has made things more complicated for them now and sometime and a trade that I didn't like But fans wanted which was bradley biel Okay And i'll just say this sometimes the best moves you make are the ones you don't Anyway, that's what we have for today. Uh, we'll be back with more have a good day, everybody [BLANK_AUDIO]
