It was a home run pick at the time, but didn't really work out. Ethan Skolnick, Greg Sylvander and Alex Toledo review the Michael Beasley selection -- and who it could have been. Also, Ethan interviewed Kevin Love about that draft, in which he went 5th. How close were the Heat to taking him?
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It's time to have the guts We here to bring the heat y'all can hang it up Welcome to five on the floor a daily insider show on the Miami heat and the MBA featuring Ethan Skolnick Greg Sylvander and Alex Toledo plus others from the five reason sports network All right, welcome back to five on the floor here's today's floor plan on Ethan Skolnick you can follow me You think Jason only gonna five reason sports. We got Greg Sylvander You can follow me Greg Sylvander and Alex Toledo can follow me at tropical blanket. We're doing some revisionist history so to speak One on the playback channel tonight. Make sure you subscribe to playback TV backslash Five hours and we went over the Tyler hero selection with whatever people think about how it's playing out at the moment You cannot make an argument that Tyler would have gone any further down than six or seven in that draft if you redraft it And the heat of course got him at 13. So we went into that some of the elements involved and kind of where it goes from here We also did an episode about the 2003 draft that one. There's no question about that of course was Dwayne Wade And today we're gonna talk about the guy that Alex puts in his little if you're watching us on the YouTube channel And we hope that you are in addition to listening on the podcast feed He puts this in his parenthetical every episode here Michael Beasley enthusiast To the point that Alex went to see Michael play in the big three with Mario Chalmers Michael did what Michael does he scored a lot didn't defend a lot Looks spaced out a lot, but was ultimately a good watch So, you know, this is this is your episode to a certain degree Although we're gonna turn it over at the end to Kevin Love this feels like forever ago, but I've been holding this I talked to Kevin Who's drafted fourth by Minnesota that year about his his interactions with the Miami Heat prior to that draft and I think People will find it interesting. He's very open and honest about it and But it also plays into what might have been for the Miami Heat. So let's let's go to the top of this draft that I'll start with it and again the context of this we've talked about this in prior episodes You know, sometimes the heat get lucky in terms of where they pick and sometimes they don't and in this case They should have had the number one pick, but it went to Chicago Miami had its worst season. It's history 15 67 one of the worst seasons of Miami sports history the Dolphins were 1 and 15 that year and So they were 15 and 67 and so they were lined up to get Derek Rose They didn't but they got the guy who was for most of the year considered the best player in college basketball Michael Beasley after him was OJ Mayo, who I will tell you is the guy that Dwayne Wade really wanted He worked out with him before the draft of course OJ's career Cut back early with some off-the-court problems Russell Westbrook was fourth. I said Kevin Love fourth earlier I'm wrong about that. He was fifth Danilo Galanari was six Eric Gordon was seventh the immortal Joe Alexander who played all of 67 games over two seasons poor Milwaukee Was eighth DJ August 9th Brooke Lopez was 10th and then you had some other guys like Jared Bayless Jason Thompson Brandon Rush Anthony Randolph Robin Lopez Maurice spades and then Roy Hibbert Who I remember are my friend Troy Stradford or play for the Dolphins I hosted a radio show with him. He was pushing for the heat to take Hibbert Literally at two which I'll never understand that from Troy Although he turned out better than some of the other players Greg, who did you want before the draft? This was a slam dunk Michael Beasley draft. I mean, I don't think anyone can look back and say oh We wish we would have took in taking Russ or K Love I mean, I guess that those cases can be made today But I remember back during the draft cycle It felt like not a bad consolation prize when you got the second pick and you were gonna get Mike Beasley I felt like the thought he was gonna be kind of Carlos Bouser meets Carmelo Anthony and it just didn't unfold that way But I thought back at that time the heat shouldn't be ridiculed for the pick. He was the guy the whole time All right, I'm in a little context of this because I was at the Michael Beasley Introduction they did it in the main arena. There was a big deal like they did it in the in the main bowl and I remember Randy fun was the general manager at the time For those who are not familiar Randy had been a GM and a coach with the Lakers had been kind of Pat's right hand for a long time We probably should have gotten Randy on the podcast for this because I stay sort of tangentially in touch with Randy but He really wanted Beasley. I mean, he really wanted Beasley like it came across what we when we talked to him at that presser on the side He couldn't stop gushing about him and again. There was no reason to doubt it Because of what we'd seen on the court. He was the best player in that college basketball Derek Rose was the highest upstate prospect and of course Mario Chalmers beat Derek Rose In that final ends Mario will always remind you But Michael was the top prospect to the point that it was such a big deal that I went up to summerling in Orlando that year And they still had it in Orlando. I wish it was still there And I remember always remember Beasley's first cave because there was no limit on fouls So he was playing against the guy named Sean Williams I don't know not the Sean Williams who played for the heat with the H in his name but sean who was like he was a pretty decent big guy prospect, but kind of a space cadet himself and Bees committed. I think 12 fouls in that game and missed 12 shots or something like that They just kept letting him play and Rio actually outplayed Beasley in that game And it was kind of a precursor of some things that came but I can tell you from the fan perspective There was no question about this. I can tell you as I go to Alex here from inside the building. There was some question I had heard at the time that Pat was okay moving down and taking Brooke Lopez That's one of the various rumors that I heard at the time. And of course Brooke went 10th I mean it could be argued pretty safely now, right? I mean Alex that Brooke Lopez has had a better had a better NBA career than Michael Beasley jury so loud I'm sorry, I'm just okay. I'm playing it to the into the character, but now Brooke, you know, Brooke is still in the league Bees isn't Brooke is get probably still get paid by a different team You know what I mean be sought after as an NBA player. So yeah Heat fans won Brooke Lopez now. Yeah, exactly Right. Well, I'll just tell you that from a game's played perspective Michael Beasley is 22nd in that class Mario Chalmers was 21st and now now bees Be bees actually scored more points than Rio. That's not surprising is the other stuff and actually if you just looked at Beasley's numbers on paper His career splits were 47 35 76. I Mean not bad at all average 12 minutes 12.4 points and 22.8 minutes 4.7 rebounds 1.3 assists that was never a strong suit and of course the defense and he did play 11 seasons Although some of those seasons were kind of truncated Towards the end. I'll just give you the games played leaders from that draft Russ DeAndre Jordan Who was drafted 35th. It's a good draft by the way Nicholas Batum Third he just heard to heat Brooke Lopez Robin Lopez drafted 15th 5th and fifth fifth in games DJ Augustine Sixth in games Gorin Drogge drafted 45th by San Antonio was Imagine if he played for the Spurs because he was kind of a man of the type Seventh in games and then love Abaca George Hill Javell McGee Eric Gordon who's still playing Courtney Lee Really strong draft Derek Rose 15th in games still bouncing around God knows what would have been with him Spades by Mute coast of kufos Roy Hibbert Ryan Anderson Mario Chalmers Michael Beasley. I mean it is it was a very strong draft Um for real and to pivot back on bees here a little bit You know they tried to make him a starter right away Greg like they gave Mario the starting job and and he played all 82 And that team was was really much better than expected I mean Dwayne played obviously at an insane level coming off injuries But to go from 15 wins to the playoffs In eric's first year as head coach I had to have a rookie point guard and to have Beasley, but the one thing was they tried to start Beasley and has them agreed to it Reluctantly But they went back to ud. Yep They said shift had to happen back and that was the reoccurring theme that they could never really count on Beasley Step up and take that role. I think he fans all thought it was going to happen like it was the natural progression that he would take over at some point and become a pillar of the front court for them and um, the fact that he never separated himself was kind of the theme for Michael Beasley early in his Miami heat career and it was Kind of sad in retrospect because he was supposed to be the next star for the Miami heat that he was drafted as such and uh And it just was um It just seemed like it was not the right moment for him Alex and I were talking pre-show a little bit. He was a little ahead of his time and I think that that's an important part of this um and uh It just was a One of the picks that when you look back on it You can't fault them for taking him, but it's one of the more disappointing picks in Miami heat history Well, if Beasley had worked out and this is the pivot to the next part of this um if Beasley had worked out They don't basically give him a way to try to create the big three And that's where I want to go with this a little bit because Let's look at the players that they could have picked And whether or not that would have changed the way they approached 2010 because they made a decision around sometime around 2008 and pat and d they've all talked about this You know pat was like, what do you think they would leave their current teams? You know bosh LeBron others who were going to be in that clash joe johnson. There was a whole long list of players Do you think they would leave? and um And And they were like, oh, maybe you know, okay. Let's at least sort of set the course for it But the last move that they made was basically dumping Beasley on on minnesota, which I actually talked to kevin love about separately Um, and of course so kevin played with michael, uh in There and you'll hear kevin say that even though he worked out for the heat that the heat were always going to take Beasley that That essentially they they they've told him since that about and they've got to know kevin So well, yeah, we were thinking of taking you, but he doesn't really believe it you'll hear that Uh coming up here, but let's look at this list if they take uh, let's let's let's say let's say that they take Uh oj male probably I mean the same same course of history right even though again, that was that was dwayne's guy Uh, but let's say let's say that they took russ And you have russ and dwayne as your back court Well Let's also clarify though, and maybe i'm wrong but didn't trading Beasley enable them to To bring mike miller and u donnis haslam in they had the space to do the three maxes. This is maybe right Would it would it have been haslam or miller that would have came And I think west brook you could have made the case would have stuck fine and kevin love as well Um, it's just Beasley was overlapping with lebron and bosh and ways that just was never going to work So I think that that that's something to consider at least No, it's they draft west brook. They have west brook and weighed first thing does russ become russ That's my name. Maybe those dynamic athletic back court would be a history Although the shooting would have been a little shaky there I like how how does that even look like if it's west brook and weight is your back court Because they were going to take rose who i mean rose and west brook in terms of athleticism at that point I mean russ was you know the level but derrick derrick was pretty damn athletic at that point Yeah, I mean it would have been a similar type of thing because like you're basically You know giving way to somebody who you're going to be Considering to be like a high usage star alongside dwayne for you at that time So I think it would have been interesting to see how that would have worked I don't think that would have stopped them from pursuing the big three like lace that they probably just would have You know made it a priority to keep them and and probably not get Either one of those guys between you dia mike miller, maybe but perhaps both of them. I don't remember exactly what the financial situation was In 2010, but I remember that was that was the case like do you had to move bees if you wanted to get those vets and um I mean honestly, I think you could have made a case that bees could have been like a productive player for you for the big three But at that time it was like you're so bare When it comes to like rotation players that you just wanted to vet so you knew would fit in nicely I guess like that was the thinking Whereas like maybe now um and and and you know he he like I know he wasn't a Star right out the gate or anything, but those first couple of years he did show a lot as far as like, okay He can score on an MBA level and he wasn't necessarily on a superstar pathway or anything like that But I think you know like somebody on that um like With those first two years where he was productive as a score If this was happening nowadays like that young player if you had the chance to keep them While maneuvering for this big three that the scene probably keeps him now It's like oh, yeah, we're gonna hold on to this young assay and just you know So I think you can make a case for that But I think regardless no matter who they would have drafted it probably it doesn't get in the way Of the big three stuff, you know, and but man beasley at the time though Like I was looking back to remind myself on his college Like college numbers and as a freshman he averaged 26 and 12 It's absolutely insane like he was dominant He had all the measurables with like being whatever he was like six nine with the big hands and the long arms pretty athletic just a Dominant You know who his closest comp was at the time particularly in what he did his first year Although they didn't cash him with the title was carmelo Yeah, that was the that was that carmelo with he did the one year in syracus with the gaudy numbers the ease of which he scored Uh, the difference I think there are two differences with between carmelo and beasley that separated the two of them One of them was carmelo was functional on defense. He wasn't great But he was functional and the other thing was just court awareness Like that's just I mean I mean I don't know any other way to put it But it was just carmelo would had higher basketball like you basically and professionalism Right that that plays in with it and I think that's where they got just they got tired of dealing with some of the stuff Which honestly The heat organization is it is now might have coped with a little more i'll say the other thing on bees It's just everybody liked being around him like that was not the problem Like I'll even remember like even when the bran brought him in and they developed a friendship And then I remember I covered Remember they brought beasley back the year after the bran left Along with his college teammate henry walker And I'll always remember I was in a locker room in atlanta because I was covering the calves that year And lebron was on his phone Watching uh beasley step out of bounds at the end of the game Okay And he's just dying like he's just cracking up. He's like, uh, he's like that's just bees like he was sitting there on his phone Check it. He's all bees like they all like bees like they they did like it was not I mean bran liked it remember And of course there's the thing that's come out on the og show and all these other places about You know how beasley would beat him and what I want I believe it Okay, I mean, I honestly like when you talk to people about beasley as just a natural pure score But he he just drove spo nuts and I I feel and especially handing him to spo As a rookie head coach too Um, and and I just the eye rolls that I would get from dwayne sometimes about some of the things that he did and then they And then they replicated it with white side a few years later, right like that. That's it's just It just has a short shelf life in the organization. That's the thing like they'd rather get like And I know that this bothers some heat fans who just want the upside talent plays But they'd rather get like a radi mcgruder who they know is going to be on the right damn place Then they deal I mean am I right? Greg, are they rather gonna hate when highsmith right like they'd rather be an example. Yeah. Oh, okay Even like a 36 year old adriated with dala like that's that you know where they know the guy knows that knows what he's doing out there Proving commodity drafted players though. You know what I mean like You know beasley was is the exact opposite of what you're talking about like they just went all in for talent Yeah, they did but I mean I want to be clear on something else. Nobody was projecting Russell Westbrook as the number two pic of that draft nobody I was I was saying it's a late pre-show like wouldn't he consider us a reach? He was a reach. Yeah, he was he was a reach even with the athleticism because honestly at ucla He didn't really play pure point. I mean he played with daren hollison and k-love who handled a lot And people didn't know if he could make the transition to play point cord. Okay. Love what I remember asked him He was and I remember asking uh dweid about russ Early in russ's career. It might have been well It might have been closer when they placed in the finals in 12 And I asked him about if if he ever felt you know He felt like russ's athleticism was comparable to me and he gave you this look like I was nowhere near russ like russ from athleticism perspective was When you those teams in okc Were the fastest teams i've ever seen you'd be sitting there on the court crowd going crazy And they just flew up and down the court and it was just it was russ. It was kd on the wings It was abaca filling the lane. They were just a different level Of speed and it was all led by russ like he's literally the most athletic player i've ever seen in person in his prime um Just crazy But the heat we're not going to take him there that that was not a brook lopez was more of a heat pick was more of a pat pick and honestly Really filled the need for them at the big of a time They did they did and and look and brook was a totally different player then brook was like considered to be like a poor man's tim duncan like a A low post guy who i to his credit is developed into more of a three-point shooter Over the course of his career, but i that looked if he didn't trade it out of the beasley pick Picked up an extra second or something like that and taken brook lopez heat fans would have rioted right craig like there's no like if we Right that there's that would have been that would be considered or a case scenario Right He ended up being one of these guys like center piece then beasley was not that he was ever a superstar But like he was the center piece for the new jersey nets I'll say this the only other guy you really could have made an argument for it number two was calove Honestly, and and the thing was calove's body was different at the time. He talks about this here in the upcoming clip But uh, he was kind of little doe like he was sort of like he had an interesting skill set because the outlet passes Were even there at that time and he's a very good rebounder had good touch Um, but i'll ask you guys before we get to kevin's interview because i asked him the same question If they take kevin loves and he developed the first thing does he develop as quickly as he did in minnesota Not as defender obviously because kevin was not a good defender from jardeevus career um but offensively In terms of in terms of all of it like with him playing with dwayne I asked kevin the question so i'll hold his answer, but greg i mean what would that have Look like i mean that's i do you need bosh then Yeah, you i think of it more in terms of he's the five in that group You have love bosh le brawn weighed and and rio like that's that's fun stuff right there So i to me that would have been an unbelievable um You wouldn't have had ud or mike miller, you know, so there's right obviously like mike miller had a big moment or two you donna's had a big moment or four so um You'd have to weigh those different things But that would have been the one guy that i think would have bridged those timelines in the most interesting way Just because they were always kind of cycling in different guys at the five and kevin love would have been able to assume that position for them Yeah, i mean they they cycled in like shop well Like old stiffs and then joell was more joell anthony was more of kind of a athletic player and so they found birdman who was like the perfect Fit for that group um and that was in retrospect I mean if they went 37 and three after they got him that season It's just insane like that people talk about the 27 again winning streak he catalyzed a lot of it He filled out their rotation. He I mean he just they ended up uh sort of with the perfect team that year Uh, but i was like kevin love and dwayne way running that pick and pop I mean kevin was pretty good by his like Pretty good right away like he didn't take it very long Yeah, I think that would have been a nice little um, you know dynamic duo there and You know, there's some of the same Kind of things when you look at you know, the way that love and beasley Like to play not that they're a similar type of player But as far as like they both like to face up they both like to play on the block You know love with more of a low post game where it be whereas beasley, you know, like we mentioned mellow You know it was more of a shooter even though love has been a fantastic shooter throughout his whole career But I feel like you know, um love was more kind of an inside-out game And I wouldn't necessarily describe beasley's game is that way because he can just kind of score from everywhere Um where love back then like I mean you would have had to run stuff for him, but I think You know the duo between him and wade would have been more natural more natural than what happened there with Um a wade and beasley where you know, you can you can run two men action with them more easily back then And yeah, like maybe he ends up being so good that you don't go after a criss-posh like I guess that's Technically possible, but you know, it's just criss-posh at that time was also a You know a really damn good mba player. They might have just you know Like I mentioned earlier just swung for that and then try to you know, do everything you can to hold on to love Instead of moving him like they did with beasley Um, so I don't think it gets in the way and like lace that I think at that time like, you know two bigs like that Even that would have been kind of small for the time. So, you know, um true I think they would have tried it though. I think they would have tried it because love was was was a big boy And bosh, you know, again, it was like six ten six eleven like I think they would have absolutely tried that and maybe You know, maybe it gets in the way of some of the history, right? Whereas like the move was bosh to the five But right. I mean that would have been a nice pick. It's just again even even with the hindsight Again, and I know I'm biased here that have michael beasley enthusiast under me Even with the hindsight again somebody who averaged 26 and 12 and college as a freshman That's insane. That would go like that would be an insane story if that happened today You know what I mean in the game where we all acknowledge is faster and more spaced out with higher scoring even if college is a little Behind uh, but like if that happens today that would be insane and you look at the measurables You look at the scoring like how natural he was it was a whole run pick like ley said and it's just So disappointed it didn't turn out. Well, I also think just to slip this in here I think oj would have been pretty decent on the heap. That's just that's just like a random thought because yeah, I mean There are some thick some guys who if in the right system I know we say maybe he and beasley had some of the same issues But like I I feel like in this in the sentences it might have been better and if he was round Dwayne every day That maybe it might have turned out better than it did for him initially going I guess to minnesota what was not a very good team at the time Uh that that does change the dynamic players who go to better situations tend to be better it's just just the way that that goes and And yeah, I I mean I think you know the mayo story is kind of disappointing because there was so much There was a lot of hype with him too. I mean again. There was a lot of hype with a lot of these guys Oh jay mayo was considered the best player in high school Uh that year and actually beasley passed him that year and then rose was considered the guy kind of jumped out I remember rose being on the cover of espn magazine before the his his freshman season So there was hype, but it it felt like you know beasley again emerged as the best player and again It's hard to make the argument Against it. It was just pretty clear after about a year. They were tired of it I just that was that was the thing and there was some off the court stuff that never got reported that pad had to deal with And it was it was a lot and again. It was never a thing where they thought the guy was a bad person I I've never heard that about bees. Um, it was just concentration focus and some other off the court stuff that kind of played into it and That was more uh more of the frustration. All right, but someone who has an issue with concentration of focus kevin love Uh got a chance to speak to him We're gonna get to that right here. I after I tell you about insurance by lannette insurance by lannette.com our friend lannette At a aggressive insurance nine five four five eight one eight eight hundred nine five four five eight one eight eight hundred life insurance car insurance Renner's insurance every kind of insurance the insurance agency that works for you and of course lots of mime a heat talk as well Because she's one of the biggest fans of the heat that we know She's a fan of kevin love as well. We know that from the playbacks when she was following them So here's my interview with kevin love again. This was conducted Actually right in the middle of the first round of the playoffs of course a long time ago Uh, so some of that just is that context also there were some bouncing balls around Um, but I think you'll enjoy this uh kevin pretty open about 2008 trifth. Thank you guys And i met with coach riley Um I know and he was there a few are a few others We're there as well. I think i met them at the Beverly wilshire hotel so Um within my interview process obviously coach riley and my dad played with him for the Lakers and he went for a long time Still knows him, but uh, remember I worked out you say like before There was just me I was working out with for the draft Was there and that was probably one of my hardest workouts because i think coach riley would see what i was made of What did he do to you? You know put me through the ringer everything was half core full core. He was he was testing You know my my brain, but also condition wise kind of see where i was at when i was made up I appreciated that because I played for pentown. So we didn't play around We didn't play around, but he wanted me to know that those love us to this stuff What was your conditioning like then compared to now like this moment? I mean my best I was probably the best condition of my life when i was playing 38 minutes And i had 35 minutes of my when i was in Minnesota and then when i got to like To cleveland i was more on the perimeter, but still getting up and down. I think naturally You know i'm playing i think i play about 17 minutes a night 16 This year so like i have to do a little bit extra and always available and ready to play 30 But that keeps me in better condition to play You know 15 to 20 minutes that's really small definitely You know That raw youthful hunger is there but that energy i'm never michael talking about it in uh i was really talking about it in The docu series he's talking about like you know once i got to 32 33 years old energy energy is just those down a little you don't have that nico 20-year-old energy So you have to find ways sometimes to manufacture, but you can continue to put in the work So much of it is mental with your conditioning. I would say majority so just staying on it but part of this culture here is to Even if you're not playing or if you're playing 15 to 20 minutes and you're playing five minutes You're gonna you're gonna be conditioned even more Did you think there was any chance they would take you in number two where you convinced they were going for Beasley there Yeah, he had such a one year. Yeah, I knew obviously Derek was going to go first um You know and we're visiting his history. They like to say that oh, it was zoomed close Or you know, they were looking at obviously like oh jay mayo I'm sure i was on there short. Yes. I wouldn't want to be here, but I think Now we've been grateful to be here because I think my natural ratio process probably would have sped up Because I needed a veteran and I was saying now I want to be the veteran I never really had like I have an algebras in but then he got hurt And then he was out of it. Then we were the youngest team in the league and we had You know, it wasn't conducive to winning when I think I had the lowest payroll like dark on military which was the highest play player when I got to Cleveland It's not that I had bad habits. I just I didn't know what it meant to sacrifice and you know what really meant to be a truly great teammate those are things I haven't learned and we didn't learn until Kind of six years five to six years in or seven years now Now that team at that time the vets where I guess Dwayne was in like his fifth or six year ud Also, it wasn't a heavily laid-in veteran team Yeah Obviously No, it's just a lot of people from topic on Did you ever think about what I would ever like to play with Dwayne in his prime? No, because that that was Dwayne in his prime. Oh 809. We we think he should have I know with all due respect to bran Dwayne probably was an MVP and oh 809 We would tell by the day like there was uh Like the fact that kobe only won one a VP I didn't like You see steve nash is a really great friend of mine like he won two Did you take one from kobe do you take one for a shack? I know the shack feels this way about it But if you look at the numbers if you look at the record and in the west like Certainly both those guys would deserve it but sometimes it just two man game with you and Dwayne you and piqued wing or that it looked like I probably would have gotten tonight because that came into league and initially my first two years I was told not to shoot threes and then the game became that but also I was like I had the skill I could shoot I can really shoot And that was just never something that they really wanted me to do early on until actually kure ambus was the first one It's like you need to start shooting threes So he had the foresight to kind of see what the game was going but I think it would have been amazing My screen of roll. I would have cleaned up if he would have missed my outlet passes to him Yes, like me and my prime and and with dwayne and me coming up super hungry and being around A place like this that would really help me grow. I think it would have been Scaring so the final thing here They have done pretty well in the draft in recent years. Obviously bam at 14 tyler at 13 Jaime nico in the teens also If you were to give because I know that you've seen if you were to give one piece of advice to each nico and hyme Going forward for their games. What would it be? I mean for those guys They're so far ahead of Well, I was mentally. I mean, I I really had the hunger. I had to work at big which they do as well and i'm It's it's pretty apparent that that's what the fun office looks at too It's temperament character You have to approach the game if they're unselfish If they play both sides of the ball, but again, I would just do the best piece of advice I got Once from kevin mccale, he said chase the game and every Nothing else is everything else is insulin. Nothing else really matters if you chase the game everything that you want in life and chase you right? Thank you for listening to the five on the floor on the fibers in sports network after all someone who's listened to my dad.
