(upbeat music) - Welcome to the Tell It Abs It Is podcast. You're home for everything Colorado Avalanche. On the hockey podcast network, here's your hosts, Griffin Youngs and Christian Boulay. - Hello everybody, welcome back to another edition of the Tell It Abs It Is podcast on the hockey podcast network. I'm Griffin Youngs joined by Christian Boulay as always just another quiet day of the hockey off season quiet day in general. And this is kind of the first episode in a while that there's like, wow, there's really no real news coming up here. So like I said last episode, we actually had to try and like try to come up with, you know, ideas and things to talk about. So we have interesting episodes and things of that nature. I wanted to lead off with this right off the bat and we'll get into our main meat of the show today. But it was reported by Evan a day ago from something that Alan Walsh talked about, one of the NHL agents is that the NHL draft was supposed to be in Colorado next year. And then they decentralized the draft, which sucks. Yeah, it sucks, but I'm also kind of confused because technically the NFL draft is decentralized but they still do like the event in the city. So could there possibly still be like an event held in Denver where like they announced the picks here? - That's where I'm confused too because that's exactly what the NFL does. - Right. - I was involved in it. Like all the teams are in their own buildings but the draft still happens. There's just not a lot of crossover anymore. - Right. - So why wouldn't we be able to do this? - Right. That's why I'm confused because I get it. Like the NHL is like the only draft that has everyone in the same building. Like the MLB doesn't even do it anymore. Like they were the last and it makes sense. It saves teams a lot of money. Why can't you still do the fan of it which is what everyone's there for? - Right. That's where I still get lost here because the NFL draft decentralized. What they didn't Detroit this year is like the most attended draft ever. - Ever. - So what are we doing for the draft here? Is it just gonna be Gary Betman in front of the fireplace in his house? - I hope not. Like it just, it seems kind of lame and a cop out and it would make total sense for the NHL to do something lame and cop out and just host it. Like Gary Betman's just at like the NHL headquarters in Toronto just being like with the first overall pick the San Jose shark select blah, blah, blah. - Yeah. If that's the case, I completely changed my opinion from what it was when this was originally announced. I was like, oh, it's not a big deal. It's what the NFL does. If it's actually just like Gary Betman in front of a podium and a set and NHL headquarters, that sucks. That's really stupid. We shouldn't do that. If it's what the NFL does, okay. - That rules. - That's fine. It's not better, but it's fine. It's just what everyone else does anyway. But I don't understand why we can't still have it in Denver. - Right. - Because it's time, it's been a while, if that ever happens. - I don't think it ever has. And if you think about it too, without the NHL teams being there on the floor, that's more seats and more ticket sales you could get at ball arena for it. You know, it's about to try a little bit. - Right. We have to try. And if you're not going to do it in Denver, just do it at the sphere for the rest of time. Like, I'm cool with that. Like, that was really cool. - But like, the draft is one of those things where just like, it's a fun little event for two days in one city that you have like once ever. - Yep. - I think it's just a fine, fun little thing. Okay, the general managers and the teams aren't there anymore, but that's not really a big deal. You can still have the prospects there. - Right. - Everything. - You can still have all the fun little events and all that stuff. You can still have like the host team still do that. - They have to do that though, because you've got to get the photo op with the commissioner 'cause that's great on social media. Like, you work in the social media. You can do those pictures and all those things with the prospects. That's like three days worth of content right there. - That's where I'm still confused. So are we not doing that? - Right. I think there needs to be some more clarity with what the plan is. - So if that's what we're doing, can we just like get the draft results hosted by like Elliot Friedman then? - Right. Is this not gonna be a TV event? - Just cut out the fucking middle man. If the draft is just the betman announcing picks and they're gonna show the Ethereum cut to the prospects house and he's gonna be all happy. - Give him the two thumbs up like, yeah, we did it. - Yeah, I'm like, okay. Then just have Friedman tweet out the results. - Right. I do think they're gonna have to do something like that because ESPN wants TV, like they want to be able to broadcast TV stuff. So there'll be something, basically what my guess is it'll probably be in Toronto and that's where everyone will go and that's where the draft will happen. Kind of sucks that Denver was next on the list. I've been asking for Denver to have one for a while because I would 100% go to that. - Oh, I'd fly out for that. Absolutely. 100% would have gone to that. - And I imagine tickets wouldn't be that expensive. - That's the truth, it's a fun once a year event but it's not like the World Cup. - Right, that wouldn't rule. But yeah, that does kind of suck but what are you gonna do? - Yeah, I bet if the draft was in New York next year they wouldn't have decentralized it. - Oh, 100% guaranteed they wouldn't. - Oh, they wouldn't. We're just a small little market that they don't really care about, right? So us versus the world, isn't it? Like everyone- - That's the world, that's the way it is, man. - Every team's attitude, ever I hate when teams have that attitude, especially when teams like New York do that, there's like, oh, it's no quitting New York or you have like Toronto being like us versus the world. Like you're like the number one seed. - Yeah. Sucks to be you, sucks to be you. - Yeah, you know what I actually kind of hate when anyone does the verse everybody. Like Michigan did that last year and I was like, this is kind of lame. Like Michigan verse everybody, it's like, no, just say fuck you. - You were undefeated. - Yeah, like it's not really against everybody. Like everyone thought we were cheaters. - So technically it's only against like in the college football club, like two teams. - Right, right. I just hate when anybody does that verse everybody think. - You know who's the worst defender of that is? Vegas. - Yeah. - You lean into that so hard. That's like it's Vegas verse there, but shut up. - Shut up. - Use this, shut up. - We're not gonna have any sympathy for you all. But yeah, I mean, that's, I think this is a good precursor to move into our next topic because we're getting into the hate aspect of our NHL fandom. A new site popped up and it's perfect off season content. I tweeted mine out because I thought it was funny. For those of you who don't know, it's nhlquebec.com. Is that what the website is? - NHLquebec.com, if you've been on Twitter the last week, you've seen everyone tweet out their rankings of what their favorite teams are and everything. So I had the brilliant idea of bringing that onto the show and finally putting an end to the arguments once and for all who we are actually biased for and against. I'm gonna go out on the limit and say number one's not gonna be a big surprise for either of us who were the most biased for. Probably number two for me is not gonna be such a surprise either. But I would like to say before we really start to get into this list, this really taught me that like, maybe I gotta scale back a little bit. I hate a lot of teams and there were teams that were high on my list. So I was like, what are you talking about? And I'm like, oh, I just still hate everyone else beneath them more. - Right. - I hate probably until you get to like 14 on this list before I can say like, okay, I don't really care about them. - Yeah, I mean, mine was pretty similar. I mean, my top three pretty easy. If you've listened to the show, abs one, sabers two, capitals three. I got pretty solid of like my fandom when it comes to these teams. I enjoy watching the sabers even though they suck. And I'm friends with you. So I've been just brainwashed into enjoying watching the capitals play. Which is crazy because I don't ever say anything nice about them. - No, I don't. - But it's just like your friends. - You're fun. - You're one of my better friends. And we talk hockey all the time. So I'm invested in the capitals with you. So it makes sense. If this ranking came out five years ago, the caps probably would have been 30th 'cause I just didn't care about them. - I mean, I guess I'm just not a very good friend then if I put the list. - I mean, it's more just like I'm invested in the caps because I know how much you pretend that you don't care about them. So that when they actually do lose it is just, I can have fun and be like, hey, sorry, buddy. And that's the worst form of a friend. The one who's just like, sorry, man, I know you're hurting right now. - Yeah, oh yeah. - But it's funny for me. - Yeah, when you did that after the Ravens lost to the Chiefs, you were the one that almost made me throw my phone. - Right. - Yeah, I got 50 of those that day. - Right, that's the worst type of friend is the friend who's like, sorry, buddy, I know how much you care. And it's like, no, you don't. You don't know how much I care. You're just doing this to piss me off. And that's what I was trying to do. And like with the caps. Like I know you say you don't care, but you actually do care. - It's the biggest mistake I've ever made. It worked once. - It worked once. - Once, that's very much success. What were your top three? I'm gonna guess abs caps, top two? - Yep, abs caps, top two. Number three was the savers. And I think the biggest riser of this year and very deservedly so, number four was the Panthers. They took out. - The Panthers were my five. The Panthers were my five. - The Panthers took out a lot of teams at the bottom. - Yep. - And honestly, I'd say after this is the end of teams that I actively root for. Number five is in its own category of like, I kind of root for them every now and again. That's the Sharks. Which is, I didn't think about, but when I compared them to other teams, like, yeah, I don't, I think the Sharks are kind of cool. Maybe I pity them right now. Maybe that's why that I'm high up. - Yep. But I think if it was five years ago when the abs faced the Sharks in the playoffs, we would have been like, fuck that team. But now they suck and you're just kind of like, yeah, I feel kind of bad for them. - Yep. - So, yeah, I mean, mine was surprising. It had the Red Wings at four. And I got kind of annoyed because the Red Wings like just kept matching up against teams I hated. Like they'd go up against Vegas. They'd go up against Edmonton. I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna keep picking the Red Wings 'cause I hate these other teams more. So the Red Wings somehow ended up at four. My sixth was weird. It was the Arizona Coyote slash Utah hockey club. - That is exactly what I had. Where I had Arizona slash Utah at six. And I actually know why. It's because they make everyone else upset. And I think funny, their existence, if it was still the Coyotes, this point would have more weight, but their existence makes everyone really mad and I find that really funny. So I find it, the way I did this entire list was I put them in my head, they're going in a seven game playoff series. Which team would I wanna see lose more or which team would be funnier to see win? And most of the time, it would have been funnier for me to see the Coyotes or Utah in this case, win those match ups. And that's why they're so high. - Yeah, I don't like how they had Arizona end Utah. Like they looked up in there and that kept tripping me up. - They matched them up against each other. I'm like, I guess Arizona 'cause I pity them. - Yeah, like it was just like, yeah, this team's legit just screwed now. So it was like, that's how I think Troy ended up in my four. My seventh, the Flyers? - That's okay, 'cause I think after this point, there is a giant mess of teams where I'm just like, I really just don't care. - Yeah. - But this one for me was Los Angeles where I'm just like, - I just see the Kings were 10 for me. - I just don't really have any beef with the Kings. - I think they just put the new logo in there. I'm like, that's sweet. I like that logo. - I don't have any beef with the Kings. The abs haven't seen them in a long time in any serious capacity. The caps have never seen them in any serious capacity ever. They beat the Rangers in the final that one time. I thought that was funny. - That was cool. - When you're putting the Kings up against the predators for me, we're like, I don't hate the predators that much, but I don't like them. So the Kings, they just kind of climb over teams that I have even just a little bit of beef with. - Yeah, I'm the same way. It's just like, I don't hate the Kings, but they would match up against Vegas and that meant to be like, fuck those teams, I'm gonna take the Kings. My eighth, I don't know how this happened, the Penguins. Penguins eighth. - Yeah, that's a weird one. - Yeah. - That is amazing. - Somehow I went Philly Pittsburgh for me and I was like, I don't know how that happened. And then we get a real deep fall off. Somehow the Anaheim Mighty Ducks made it in my ninth slot. - The Ducks were surprisingly high for me. They were 13th, but again, it was like the Kings were just like, yeah, I don't love the Ducks, but-- - I think again, if this was seven years ago, when they were very good, they had Corey Perry, Get's Laugh, and eating men, I really didn't hate them all that much. - Oh, see, I hated them. - I hated them. - But yeah, they made it in the ninth, 10th was the Kings. 11th was, it got cut off, I can't see it, so I'm gonna skip 11th and 12th. 13th, I had the Ottawa Senators. I thought they'd be higher. I like the Senators a lot. - How many nice the Senators are that low for you? I really am. I'm supposed to have the Senators higher on my list. - I really like the Ottawa Senators. They are one of my teams. I feel bad for them, because that team is just constantly a shit show. And it's kind of funny. - Yeah, so after you get LA on my list, this was very surprising to me. It is three straight Canadian teams at nine, 10 and 11, Calgary, Vancouver, and Ottawa, which I'm very surprised by, because I am very outspoken in my, I really don't like a lot of Canadian teams, especially a lot of fan bases, 'cause they're obnoxious, and yet three of them are in the front 12 here, which I was very surprised by. But I do think I've always had a softer spot for Calgary for some reason. - Yeah, I have two, even though they're kind of annoying, and we beat them in the playoffs. Like I do feel kind of bad for Calgary. They're kind of like the forgotten brother in Alberta. - Right. And specifically the order was Calgary, Vancouver, Ottawa. I think really just, I've had a softer spot for Calgary for most of my life, for whatever reason. Vancouver's been terrible forever. Ottawa's been terrible forever. And I pity teams, and that automatically puts them higher. Vancouver, if they start doing well, making runs, playing the abs more, you get more of the Hughes-McCar conversation, they are going to plummet on this one, because lots of Vancouver fans are insane. But luckily a lot of that's just been directed at their own team for the last 10, 15 years. The second they get good again, they're going to plummet here. - Yes, 'cause if the Canucks are good again this year, we're gonna have to hear about, oh, let's go Canucks. They're gonna win the Stanley Cup, and they're gonna get very annoying. But right now, it's just kind of me. - In Ottawa, I don't have those concerns, 'cause I don't think really ever gonna be good, because I don't think it's a very well-run organization at all. And number 12, the end of the front 12, is again, a team I just pity, and I don't like all that much is Columbus. - Yeah, I mean, you know my thoughts on Ohio. It's trash city, trash state. Like, nothing good comes out of there. We don't need to go on that tirade. I'm surprised they weren't lower. They were, for me, they were 20 now, 20 now. - A night? - Yep. - Wow, okay. I mean, my thoughts on Columbus is just again, mostly pity more than everything, 'cause I think they have a decent loyal fan, but I think they're a more stable version of the Coyotes, who's actually like made the playoffs, and has some sort of financial backing. Like, you know long-term, they're gonna be fine, but their fans have had really nothing. You can make the argument that the Blue Jackets are the worst franchise, just in terms of like actual success. If you take-- - Oh, now that the Panthers have won a Stanley Cup, I think so. I think it's a fair case, Jake. - That was, I think that they're gonna ride the Tampa upset, the Tampa sweep for probably 10 more years. - Yeah, they got in the good number, 10 years of that. - As the year before that was when they lost to Washington, when Washington went on to win the Cup, they'd still never won a playoff series up to that point. I think they had, I think if you combined all of their playoff wins, it was like three total. 'Cause I'm trying to remember off top my head. They got swept by the Red Wings. They beat Pittsburgh twice, and they beat Pittsburgh once in 2017. So yeah, they only had three playoff wins in total up to that point. And just because they beat Tampa, I think they have escaped the worst franchise allegations for the last about, was that five years now? - Five years, yep. - Yeah, and I don't like them. When the caps played them, I didn't like them very much. That's why they're not higher on this list, but they've been beaten down long enough that it's really hard to really pick on them too much. - See, I think if they weren't in Columbus, I would probably feel more pity for them, but they're in a trash city and a trash city, so. - So technically my favorite non-capital metro team for whatever that's worth? - Fair. I think we could skip the middle. I was surprised for me. Like the biggest shocker for me was more that Tampa Bay wasn't lower on this list. They finished 22nd for me. I thought they'd be near the end. I despised Tampa Bay. - I still want to do the middle because you do start to get into teams that are like, I'm surprised they're this high. 13 for me was Anaheim, who I don't care about. I don't like it. - My 13 was New Jersey, and I like New Jersey. Like New Jersey, I have no real ill will towards. They have beat them in the one important series. We face them in, I kind of like their young talent. I have nothing bad to say. I actually thought they'd be hired the more they were for me. - I don't hate them. They are a big rival of the Rangers, which endears them to me. - They're. - Oilers for later, but they are a metro team that the caps have to worry about. And I am preemptively like, I don't want to start saying I like this team too much 'cause I think they're still going to be pretty good. - Yes, I agree. Right now, they're like, they had their one year. We were like, yeah, go Devils. And then they suck this year. And they're like, oh, okay, feel bad again. - I also got Segan Thaler. I really like you on a Segan Thaler. - Yeah. - One most under-read. - And they have Curtis McDermott too. - And they got Curtis now too. So number 15 for me will speed through these really quickly is again, a team I do not like, but is just somehow in the top half here and it's Nashville. - Yeah, see, I have Nashville at 21. - Yeah, but I do not like the Predators by any stretch of the imagination. But I think now is when we officially start to get into, I think my own personal problem is that I have a lot of beef with a lot of teams and maybe the problem is me. - Yeah, Nashville is my highest rated central team. - Yeah, Nashville is, I think, actually not by far, but my highest rated central team on here. And I do not like playing them. I do not like dealing with them, but I do like that we swept them recently. And I think this year they're going to be better, but I think when you compare them to other central teams, I just don't mind them all that much. - They're a lot like Arizona. - Yeah, and they're 2017 run, I still think was cool. - Yeah. - Maybe that still hangs in the back of my mind. And the last time the abs seriously had to deal with Nashville, we smoked them, so. - Yep, where'd the Blues fall on your rankings? - The Blues fell to, I was surprised they were this high, but 24. - Yeah, they're 23 for me. - I think if we did this quiz like two years ago when we won the Cup, they'd probably be 33rd. - Because I, once you get past the Blues, I have serious beef with all these teams. And I've seen. - Oh, dude. - Yep. - And it's higher back nine of this list is the teams I have major beef. - Correct. - Correct beef with. - Yep. - And the Blues are very much still in that category. Honestly, I'd say from, 'cause there's 33 on this list because of Arizona and Utah, I'd say from 33 to 23, 22. I have like serious, serious beef with you. - 33 to 25 with me. I'm like, yeah, I hate every single one of those teams. That's good order. You could put it in the order, I'd be like, yeah, fuck those teams. - Yeah. Whereas just like they would ask me a question, like spoiler for some teams in here, they would ask me Minnesota versus Edmonton. And I like had to stop and think. - Yep. Same way. - Genuinely have no idea. - Yep. Yep. Should we just go through like, I wanna hear 25 down. Like, who's number 25 for you? - Yeah, I think that's still too early because there are teams on here. I think one that is gonna confuse people that as how they're this high at 20, I have Vegas. - Oh, see, Vegas is 30 for me. - Vegas is as high as 20 for me for one reason. They make everyone really mad. And they make me really mad, which is why they're at 20, but recently the discourse surrounding Vegas, I have found very amusing. And for that reason, I'm like, okay, it would be funnier if they beat Toronto, Edmonton, Pittsburgh, all these teams below me, they get really mad when Vegas beats them. So therefore Vegas passes them. And that is their only, if they did not have that, they would probably be bottom five, but because they make teams, I don't like really, really mad. That's why there is as high as 20 for me. - Yeah, I saw them 30. I will always hate Vegas. I get what they do as funny, but yeah, fuck Vegas. Always, fuck Vegas. - I hate Vegas. This is not me saying I like Vegas at all. I do not, I do not like them. I hate the Golden Knights. I hate dealing with them. I hate that they won recently. But again, this is just my personal problem is I hate a lot of teams so much more. 'Cause I wanna run through very quickly the teams I had in the middle. You had the Red Wings at four. I had them at 16. - Not terrible. - Yeah, like again, beef with the Red Wings, a lot of that was before my time. But there was some of that that started to resurface ever so slightly over the last couple of years. I don't think I could have them any higher than the top half of my list as a self-respecting abs fan. And just, I found them annoying last year and when the cap snuck in over them, they're like, we need to change the playoff system. This was rigged. The Red Wings deserved it more. They would have been a better chow. You didn't make it. - Yeah, that's a suck bro. - The whole point is moot. 17, I had win a peg. Again, I don't like, but. - Yeah, see, I had win a peg at 29. 29 was win a peg for me. - Yeah, again, compared, I was, honestly, I'm surprised I had three Canadian teams higher because if I think of a team where it would be funniest to win in Canada, it would be win a peg because they're the least important. - Yeah, I agree with that. - Yeah. - And that matters to me a lot is down playing the Canadian drought as much as possible. And win a peg, don't like them. But again, compared to other teams here, they just, they don't measure up in turn. - That's fair. - My, my, higher. - That's fair. - And I'll finish with the last two before we get into teams. I really hate, 18, I had Seattle. They get the Berkey Boost because they have my favorite player ever, Andre Burakovsky. And. - I should hate them more. We should hate them more for what they did to the abs in that first round, but I just don't hate them. - If it wasn't for the playoff series, I think they would be fifth. - Agreed, probably. - Just because of the playoff series, they're dragged all the way down to 18. - That's fair. - Yeah. - But I should have more disdain towards them. Like I should have the same amount of disdain I have towards them that I do against Vegas, but I just feel bad for them still. It's like. - The thing is, is that the Seattle series in itself, it's less Seattle and more of the abs just couldn't. - Yeah. - They should have beaten that team. It just happened to be Seattle in their second year, and the abs are probably gonna be the only team they've beaten in the playoffs for a while. - Yeah. - Which is annoying, but it also very well could have been Dallas or anybody. - And I think it also helps that we had won the Stanley Cup the year previously. So that playoff loss doesn't hurt me as much. - Right. Yeah. Of playoff losses, that one sucks, but not because you thought the abs were gonna go win a cup. - Right. - Which I think is the reason they're not lower, but also the reason they're not higher on this. - That's fair. - It existed 18. I'd be okay putting them above Detroit and Winnipeg, anything like that, maybe Nashville. But then you're talking like, oh, they're in my top 15, and I'm not comfortable with that. - Yeah, that's fair. And the last one of teams were saying, I don't like them, but Montreal is fine, whatever, right? - Or Montreal fall for me. I got them at 19. - Yeah, so we bought them both at 19, where it's just like, it's an original six Canadian team with a very entitled fan base. - I think we'd hate them a lot more if they were good. - I think that's it. - I think they'd be very close to the Maple Leafs if they were good. - It'd been bad for a while. - Yeah. They had that one flooky playoff run in the bubble, but that was funny, so I was fine with it. They beat Toronto in a 3-1 comeback, which was hilarious. No one cared about the Winnipeg series, then they beat Vegas. So then that one was endearing to me. - Yep, and I think if they ever get good, we're gonna be like, fuck Canadian fans. - Yeah, it's the same thing as like, I have Vancouver at 10, the second they're good, they're gonna plummet down to like 20th. - Yeah, completely agree. - So now we're in teams where I'm just like, I'm actively rooting against you 90% of the time. And I already said my 20, which is Vegas, simply because it's funny when they beat the teams beneath them on this list, because I hate them at 21, this is sacrilege to a lot of people, is already Toronto, that they're not lower on this list. - Yeah, yeah, Toronto at 25. So we are too crazy, like, I don't like Toronto. I don't have the disdain that everyone else has for them. - Right. See, honestly, if this was three, four years ago, I'd probably have them fifth or something like that. - Yeah, I don't hate Toronto. Like, I actually like the players on their team. It's just their fans are annoying. - I wanted to see that core succeed early on. But now that this drought has happened, I'm just so tired of them. I'm just so tired of Toronto in general, and everything they do is just exhausting. And I don't want to, I don't want to see them succeed at the end of the day. I find that all the narratives around them annoying, and I know that if they ever made a conference final run, there'd be documentaries on it for 10 years. - Yeah, I think that's fair. I think that's fair. - And just like, yeah, I mean, like, I would expect them to be over, I have them at 25. Like, I look at the teams behind them, and I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. - Yeah, they're just, I don't hate them as much as other people. I'm very much, and I wouldn't say a fence sitter anymore. I'm definitely more on Leafs hate side now than I used to be. But I find the discourse surrounding them funny, because the other day, we know they're gonna do the exact same thing that they've always done. They're gonna get, everyone's gonna talk themselves into this mediocre ass off season that they had. Chris Tanev's finally, this time, this time, it's gonna be the difference. They're gonna not win the division again, because that's what the Leafs do. They, I find it so funny that we talk about them as this regular season juggernaut. They're not, never pin. They won the Canadian division, which sucked. - Yeah. - And the offs in the first round, in the Atlantic, they've never won it. - Yeah. - They've had home ice like twice in the first round. - Yeah, the highest they finish is second. - Right, they've never won the Atlantic. Why do we talk about this team as like, oh, they can only do it in the regular season. Debatable, really debatable. - I mean, if you look at it too, like two years ago when Vegas won the Cup, that was their year to like really make some hay, because Florida upsets Boston in the first round. They finally get over. You finally get over the Tampa Bay. You should have probably crushed that Florida team. - Yeah, I mean, that Florida team was way better than their ranking. It's not the fact that they lost it's that they got smoked. - Yeah. - That they got absolutely crushed. I think it could have been much easier, much more easily stomached if that one went seven, and then lost that one to a Panthers team that went to the final, they got killed. But this is the Toronto effect. Here we are talking about Toronto again. And that's why everyone's sick of them, and that's why I'm sick of them. - Yeah, all right, what was your next one? - Next one, again, I don't think is gonna sit well with people at 22, I have Dallas. - Ooh, the I have Dallas at 32. - And I know, I know. But again, when I'm comparing them to teams beneath them, I just don't hate Dallas as much as other teams. I, again, I'd say Toronto, Vegas is the start of my hate tier. Vegas, Toronto, Dallas are at the front of that. Whereas like, I hate you, but I don't despise you compared to other teams. There are players in Dallas I like. I like Jason Robertson. Merrill Heiskinen is a, I'm fine with Heiskinen. I really liked Joe Povelsky for most of his career. When you compare them to the Blues, I just despise St. Louis. I despise everything about that team. I despise them wholly. And what I think about-- - Counterpoint, if Jordan Bennett's on the Blues, you don't really care about the Blues. - No, I really just don't like that organization very much. I really just don't like them. Where I think about, okay, who would it hurt more to lose to? And losing to St. Louis, I find unpalatable. Losing to Dallas, maybe it's just because it's happened, they can find it a little more realistic. Again, this is not me saying I like Dallas. I don't, I do not like this team. I really would say I hate them, but they at least have some redeeming qualities. But again, fuck them. And Matt Duchain also drags them down too. - Matt, see like Matt Duchain's the one redeeming quality for me, for Dallas. - And that's reversed. So yeah, I mean, it's tough. But yeah, I'm surprised you have Dallas that high. That surprises me. - Again, like when I matched them up against 23 on this list, which is Tampa, Tampa has plummeted on here. - Yeah, see I have Tampa at 22. - Tampa was in the Vegas category for a while where they made people so upset that I found it funny. Now they make me mad in general, and they're not funny anymore. So now they're plummeted on here. And I think about who would I rather see win. - Tampa fans have really pissed me off lately. Like really, really, really bothered me. - Yeah, but it's even funnier now that, excuse me, that Panthers fans are like, "Shut up, Tampa, like, shut up." - And like Kuchrov, I really don't like, I just think the organization as a whole pretty overrated. - Yeah. - And again, like I can't get lost in division rivalry here. When I think of teams, I just like, I've grown a very organic hatred for the Tampa Bay Lightning. - It's fair. - And the abs beat them in the final. I think about what would happen if we lost that final and makes me want to fucking throw up because I cannot stand that. - Yeah, no, I mean, I think what helps me not hate the Lightning as much is the fact that we beat them. If we were to lost him, I think that I'd have a totally different tone. I like Victor Hedman. I think Victor Hedman's a cool dude. I liked Steven Stancoast. I don't like Kuchrov. I like Brayden Point. Like I think that's why they fall at 22 for me. - Yeah, that's fine with that. I mean, they're the last team in the second portion of this list 'cause now you get into the second half. 24, I had St. Louis, where? - Yeah, we've already gone on a St. Louis tribe. - On the St. Louis tangent, the whole NASM cadre thing really drags them down for me where they still bring that up and that somehow like an asterisk on the ass. - Wasn't it, Bennington just talked about it like a couple of weeks ago, didn't he? - Yeah, yeah. - Forget exactly what he said. It was the kind of whiny loser shit thing. Jordan Bennington's my least favorite player in the fucking league, so. - Yeah. - 'Cause now after this, this is just like moral obligations. - Yeah. - Whereas a longstanding Metro fan and central fan, these are teams I think from now on that are just like unpalatable, despised completely. 25, I have the flyers. - See, yeah, the flyers were pretty high for me. And I know that's gonna confuse a lot of people. My dad loved the flyers growing up. I kind of think of them as lovable losers. That's why I had them so high. - Yeah, I'm glad they're losers. - Yeah. - Because Philly sports in general, if you are, again, if you're from Philly and you listen to this, you know who you are. - Well, they know that they're scumbags. - They know. - I respect them for knowing that they're scumbags. - But you don't deal with it. - Yeah, sure. - I have gone to a lot of caps flyers games. I've recently went to an Orioles and Phillies games. They're just generally unpalatable people. - Yeah. - Like they make the experience worse and for some reason, they're lovable losers. But for some reason, they get really let off the hook for being a really pathetic organization that has never won anything. - Well, they won in the '70s with the Broad Street bullies. - You say that one more time? When did they win? - The '70s. - '70s. - Yeah, no, I mean, that's why they're kind of lovable losers. Like I get why people hate them. You live on the East Coast. You have to deal with more Philadelphians than I do. To me, they're just kind of like a novelty. Like I see them and I'm like, that's funny. Like you're kind of funny. I don't have to deal with it. - It's funny when it's on Twitter. - Right. I don't have to interact with it. - You have to. - Everything people say is true. - Yes. - You never in a million years will I go to a Flyers game or anything like that. I will never step foot in that arena. That's why they're this low. - Yeah. - It's weird because like the Flyers I kind of have and I'm like, I don't have no feelings to them. The '76ers, I fucking hate because of Joel and Bead and the Nicole Yokech thing. - That's the whole thing right there. - You know what, honestly, I would switch these two teams. 26, I had the Islanders, long Island. - The Islanders were kind of high for me too. Like the Islanders, again, I don't have to deal with them. I think of them as the Rangers cross-town rivals and I fucking hate the Rangers more than I hate the Islanders. - Well, that's why the main reason I would swap the Islanders and the Flyers, the list for me has the Flyers of 25 and the Islanders 26. I'd swap them. But again, long Island Ninja and just, I fucking hate how they play. I hate how they make this team is. - They stole your coach too. - Stole the coach and that whole narrative was really annoying to deal with. When they win on those two conference final runs, I was so sick of this team and dealing with them and man, that fan base is really obnoxious sometimes. I think this list more than anything is a fan base ranking for me 'cause I, players come and go on teams but fan bases generally remain the same and having them. - I mean, that makes sense. Again, I don't have to deal with New York people. You do, like you're on the East Coast. Like that's an understandable thing. I understand what I look at and I'm like, you guys have been through a lot. Like, that's tough. - Yeah. And again, another organization I think that really gets let off the hook for not getting as much. - They've literally tried to sell their franchise to a guy who was worth like $300,000. - Right. - So. - They won the four straight cups and they have ridden that to the ground. That team is-- - It's just funny that you can say that and it's still better than the Rangers. That's what I like about them. - They have been bad more often than they have been good but they use the two conference followers. We forget that they did not win a playoff series for a long time before 2016. They were historically bad for a long time and when the Islanders are good, that's when the fan base rises out of the woodwork 'cause you don't really hear from them otherwise. You don't really hear from them otherwise. All right, now we're really into the weeds. It's like, oh, can't stand these teams. 27 is Boston for me and I don't think they're high. I don't think they're high on anybody's list. - I had Boston 26th, which is right about then. Everything you just said about the Islanders and the Philadelphia's, you can just copy and paste right when it comes to Boston. Fuck Boston, fuck everything about Boston. I hate Boston. - Yep, and that's why they're-- - I'm surprised they're not lower for me. - That's why they're lower than Philly and the Islanders for me is like, these guys are just everywhere. Like Philly fans, when they're bad, they go away. Islanders fans, when they're bad, they go away. Bruins fans are just everywhere. And you wanna talk about an organization that gets let off the hook for being pathetic, the fucking Bruins. If they did not win a cup in 2011, this is probably one of the most pathetic franchises in the league. They won the longest droughts at that point. And for some reason, people treated that cup like they won three of them. Where they won one year, one cup over Vancouver. Vancouver choked that series. They could not handle the pressure. And since then, the Bruins have been on a generational choking run where they cannot finish the job. They've blown massive leads. Like the year before they won three nothing, three nothing lead over the Flyers. They blew that. They blow the three won lead to Florida. They can't finish off the blues in the final a couple of years ago. - The Chicago final, where they choke? - The Chicago final, where they choked. Just, I don't understand where they get their attitude from. - Yeah, one of their greatest players ever, Rayborg had to leave and come to a team that could actually win a Stanley Cup and that's the avalanche. - And it's not even just them. It's how everyone treats them. We're like, actually, no, it's because they beat the Leafs. They're the Leafs demon. So Toronto media makes the Bruins out to be this big bad. When in reality, they're a team that's pretty consistently good. They have a lot of money. They have really good players at their core. They can't build a winner. And because they exist in Boston where the Patriots and the Celtics exist, teams that win, you know, other things, they get lumped in with the rest of them and you're like, oh, well, Boston sports, right? They just get everything. The Bruins are not all that. Their fan base just really punches above their weight. They don't have a lot to stand on and that really annoys me. - Agreed. I mean, yeah, Boston fucking sucks, fuck us. I'm surprised they made it as high on this list as they did for me. - But that really speaks to the teams beneath them. - Yeah. And it kind of sucks because I do like David Poshnock. I think he kind of rules, but he plays for the Bruins and I hate it. - I hate about the Bruins. Probably one of my favorite players he played for anywhere else. 28, I think I'm one of the very few people that share this, but the Carolina Hurricanes. - Yeah, I mean, I don't like the Hurricanes. I have them at 17. - I cannot. This is just my personal experience. Some of my worst experiences with fan bases have been the Carolina Hurricanes, which I think is surprising to a lot of people because I don't think people think about the Hurricanes like that. The 2019 playoff series that the Capitals had against them is probably one of the worst fan base experiences I've ever had. - It's fair. - That's stuck for a long time. And it's never jerks. - Never gotten better. And they just, everything they do rubs me the wrong way. I hate everything they do. If I'm Kendrick and I'm picking my Drake teams to the Hurricanes, I hate everything that they do. Everything. - We upholt your reference, but yeah, I mean, I see why you hate them. Not super high for me. - Yeah. - Not super high for me. - I would only, and they fail. Every time they go up against teams I don't like where like I like them more in other teams, they fuck it up so bad. They never pay me back. If they paid me back ever, I think they could escape the zone. - Well, they've been to what two Eastern Conference Finals and have a win a game in the Eastern Conference Finals. - Yeah, they got swept by Florida, which I found very funny, but yeah. Fan base is just shockingly obnoxious a lot of the time. I don't think a lot of people share those experiences. I think I've just run into the worst. - Probably. - At capitals games where I've been to a lot of caps, hurricanes games, even before they played in the playoffs, I was always really surprised how aggressive they are. And I know a lot of people that have gone to Carolina and watched them, and I always hear the same thing. And I don't wanna lump an entire fan base together, but man, it's just so consistent that that's why they're this low, where maybe it sounds like having them worse than Boston seems harsh, but I've just very bad experiences. - There, I'm not gonna judge your hate. - Also they're cheap. They talk about this big game and then they don't spend and they don't win. It's different. - I believe that. - I can respect teams that win. The hurricanes don't win. They don't spend to win. They don't do anything. - Yeah, I get that. That's fair. Okay, moving on. - Yep. 29, this is a team that has inch by inch crawled out of the bottom just by other teams. Plummiting is Pittsburgh. - Yeah, for those who don't know out, Griffin, Capitol fan, understandably, why he ate Spanglet? - Yep. I was almost a little surprised they were this high, but when I look at the four teams beneath them, it's not that surprising. - Yeah, we really need to go in there, Sydney Crosby. I've gone from hating Sydney Crosby to it's more I appreciate him before he's gone. - The penguins any year could very easily be at the bottom of this list, but 2018 and then on, it's become more of a respectful rivalry between them and the capitals. And I just, I don't hate them as much as I used to. At the end of the day, what I just said about the hurricanes, I can respect teams that win. You can make the argument that since like the 90s, the penguins have been the best organization. I can respect that. - I think that's fair. - That's a fair point to make. - Yeah. - I hate them. I love that they missed the playoffs the last three years or two years that bring joy and warmth to my heart, but I have the four teams beneath them irredeemable in my eyes, no matter. - Okay, let's hear them. - 30th, I have the Black Hawks. That is- - Okay, I had the Hawks at 27. - Yeah. The Hawks, that's just a moral thing. - Yep. - You need like trash organization from top down, from the Kyle Beach saga, to all the coverups and getting handed, Connor Badard, fuck all that. - Yeah, this is more of like, I think in the same way, also fucked them 'cause they won a lot. - Yeah. Well, I mean, the last one was nine years ago. I can get a very recent, like this is a repulsive organization. - And they're gonna be very quickly back to winning here. - So, and they're gonna, they might be good as soon as this year or this year. And that is awful. This team deserves to be awful for 15 years. - Yeah, they will be. - The league didn't do anything about that. They just reinstated Bowman and Quenville and everything like that. So, the whole thing, they find them a million dollars and slapped them on the wrist. So, even then I will cheer for Boston, Carolina, Pittsburgh, every other team ahead of them to beat them, had to have. Black Hawks are good. Again, they're probably gonna go even lower on this list, but the final three teams on here, unpalatable. - Okay, I think we're pretty similar. - It might be. - I'm gonna guess the Rangers came in at 31 for you. - The Rangers are last. - Interesting, okay. All right, who's your 31? - 31, this is a real toss of between 31 and 32. 31 is Edmonton. - I have Edmonton at 31 as well. - Yeah. So, spoiler, Minnesota's 32. - Yeah, I had Minnesota 33, Dallas 32. - Yeah, they asked me, Euler's wild, who do you like better? And I stared at that for five minutes. - Yeah, same. - I could not decide where I'm just like, okay, it's a nightmare Western conference final, who am I cheering for? I guess, McDavid. - Yeah, I'm the same way. - I'd like to see the good players win. Minnesota, the only reason they're not last is I think the high school hockey crowd is pretty cool. - Yeah, it's a hockey state. I'll give them credit. It's not the hockey state, that's Colorado, but yeah. It's Minnesota's dead last for me. And we've talked about Minnesota for a long time. All these other people are like, oh, how do you not feel bad for that state with all the misery they go through sports? Fuck Minnesota, dude. Like I think it's funny. - It's that simple. Fuck the wild at the end of the day. I don't care. - Yeah, their sports misery is great. I love drinking the tears of my greatest enemies pain. - That's how everyone thinks Toronto tears every year. This is what we do. We drink wild tears every year. They disappoint, they talk a huge game. Oh my God, wild fans talk a huge game. This organization has such an arrogance to them. - Yep. - And they never deliver. - Nope. - One thing, oh, they brought, they bring up 2014. That was 10 fucking years ago. - Yeah. - Holy shit. We've been waiting for a rematch for this long. You all haven't shown up to the dance. - Haven't shown up to the dance. - The opportunities have been there for us to play you in the playoffs. You don't make it. - Yep. - Yep, it's great. I love trash hockey in Minnesota because they-- - Something sucked. - Yeah, it's so easy. And I'd never like to use the championship argument, but all you have to do is just say, how many rings do you guys have? And they say zero and it's like, exactly shut the fuck up. - You haven't even come close. - Yeah. And you luck in the career caprice off, a star in the fifth round and you're wasting his talents. - Wasting, it's next year until they can even begin to field a team around him while they wait for the buyouts to expire. And honestly, I don't hate Karil Caprice off. I think he's doing well. I feel terrible for him because he's on the wild and they're wasting him. I think if he regrets anything, it's coming over to the NHL at all. - Agreed, agreed. That's where I'm at with it. - And having to deal with the flurry conversations the last three years has really bugged me too. 'Cause I'm out of Mark Andrei Flurry fan. He's played for all of his favorite teams and he's finishing his career in Minnesota, which does not help his case. But man, I'm so tired of hearing about this mediocre fucking goalie. - Yeah, that's fair. But yeah, I had the wild last and that's fair for me. - Yep, last for me is the New York Rangers. This one is not close. The gap between Minnesota and New York is honestly not close. - Well, for me again, like New York is high up there just 'cause I hate the Rangers, but also I don't, I'm not on the East Coast. So I don't have to deal with all the Rangers fans. They're 28th for me. And I feel like that's pretty, pretty high for them. But I can see why they're dead last for you. It also just makes what the Panthers did just even more impressive when you look at it. Like the Panthers are my number five team and they just beat every single team that I hate. - Yeah, I mean, the Panthers, the reason why they're fourth on my list is they beat 23, 27, 31, and 33 on my list. That's why they're that high. - It's a miraculous run by a team right there. - The fact that they beat the Rangers has probably bought them 10 years of goodwill from me. I was scared. I was really scared this year the Rangers were gonna do it. - Yeah, they looked like they gave big team of destiny vibes. - Big team of destiny vibes, all the stats that were coming out. When the Panthers beat them, oh dude, they were down to one in that series. They lost two straight overtime games. I'm like, fuck, this is gonna happen. It's getting, and then the Panthers won three straight. I owe them so much for that because I've had, I've ranted on the show about the Rangers before New York sports in general. Again, you know who you are. If you're not one of these people, I'm not talking about you. If you're just a normal person that watches New York sports and is not an asshole, you're fine, I'm not talking about you. But there are people, the Rangers, the Yankees, they embody to me the worst parts of sports fans. Taken way too seriously. They dominate the entire conversation. They talk up like, oh, we just have more money and a bigger fan, but no shit, it's New York. A lot of fucking people live here. And they invade every arena. They are loud and obnoxious. You cannot open a tweet under any team, but NHL account, any other team. There's a Rangers fan in there, and they're talking shit for some reason. They are pervasive, they are everywhere, and it's not like I like any of the players on their team either. There are teams with fan bases, I think are on par with the Rangers. I like some of their players. - Well, let's see, I like Shosturkin, Shosturkin rules. - Shosturkin's fine. He plays for the Rangers though, so I don't like. Truba, pretty much most guys on that team, now the Matt Rempay shit, like come on. The guy plays four fucking minutes. Why are we talking? - Those fight clips were pretty cool though, like his training for the fights. That was pretty, like he's not training on actual hockey, he's just training on how a bunch of people better. - Lamest fucking thing. I have. - Oh, I think it kind of rules. - It was the lamest thing I've ever seen in my entire life. So you're telling me, they're just gonna play this guy three minutes a night, and his job is to jump people. You know what my favorite stat is this year? He's lost the biggest percentage of fights at anybody. He won 42% of his fights, which is the lowest rate tied for last of every single person. And we talk about him like he's Mike Tyson. - Yeah, I thought the fight was kind of the Rangers. It's only because he's a Ranger that we have. The Leafs bother me with this conversation. The Rangers ruin it. The Rangers, the Yankees, New York sports, everything they touch gets ruined. I cannot be happier that these fan bases have not won anything recently. - Yeah. The last time the Rangers won a cup was also the first year candidate and win a Stanley Cup. - So it'll be 30 years next year. And I really-- - No, it'll be 30 this year. 'Cause I turned 30 this year. So I was born three months after the Rangers won the Stanley Cup. - There's been 29 cups handed out. - Yep. - And if they didn't win that one, talk in 1940. So again, a team that does not get the due for being as worthless as they are. - Yeah, and I know you hated Henrik Lundquist, but he kind of rules. Like I kind of like Tank. - The thing is, I could never hate Hank. Loved him. Honestly, if this was five years ago, the Rangers probably wouldn't be last 'cause I actually really love Tank. - Yeah, he's a good dude. Good analyst. And handsome is ever. Just a handsome guy. - Genuinely probably the best-looking person I've ever seen him up. - No, Gabriel Landis got go. - Between, I don't know, man. - I'm taking Landy over Hank. That may be a hot take. Landy's just two, and he's got the blonde hair blue eyes. - It's the Swedes. - Yeah, they're just Swedish. We're having an argument about who's handsome is between two Swedish guys. - Right. - That's how it's the other day. - Yeah, makes sense. But yeah, this felt good. This hate felt good. - Yeah. - I mean, I had this idea while I was doing the lists, and I wanted to at least just get a lot of that out there. I realized, wow, I hate a lot of teams. - Yeah, I do too. - I really don't like any of these guys. There's maybe-- - A lot of my viewing experience when it comes to the NHL is just hating other teams. - Yeah, I'm starting to wonder, is this good for me? - No, I think it's good. I think it's good to get this amount of hate out of your heart, and to hate something that's stupid is really good. Like, to have this type of hate in your heart, I think it's a good thing. 'Cause like, it doesn't hurt anyone. This isn't hurting anyone. - I don't know. I don't know if I would say it's good to have this much hate in your heart, 'cause there's a lot here. 'Cause again, reiterating why I say at the start, there's like five teams I can say I like. - I think that's high too. Like saying you have five teams you like is high. - No, I have two teams I'm a fan of. I'm not a fan of five teams. The avalanche in the capitals are my teams. I can say I even remotely like three other teams. - Fair. - The savers? - I want to see the savers succeed. The Panthers just did me a massive favor, and it sharks cool. - Yeah, I would say I'm a fan of the avalanche. I tolerate the savers, Panthers, and capitals. - Yeah, I think that's how it should be. You should have these teams that are like, "You don't actively hate." - Yep, and that's where my brain's at. - And most of everything on here is just like, "What would be funny here?" It's like if the Coyotes are Utah win, that'd be pretty funny. I'm not going to be hilarious. Like if Utah wins the Stanley Cup this year, that would be funny. - That would be hilarious. I would love that. I am surprised at the three straight Canadian teams. I think I just pity them more than anything. - Yeah. - Even then like after you get past, I'd say really once you get past the sharks, I just don't care. Like Arizona's funny, but I don't really care. - Yep. - Inks, I don't really care. Flames, Vancouver, Senators, Blue Jackets, Ducks, Devils, I don't really care. The Red Wings, the Predators, the Jets, the Kraken, Canadians, I don't like them. Vegas, I hate, but they're funny. Toronto, I hate, just not as much as teams beneath them. The Stars, I hate. Tampa, I hate. The Blues, I despise. Flyers, Islanders, Bruins, Hurricanes, Hurricanes, just despise these teams. Penguins, Hawks, Oilers, Wild, cannot stand them. And the Rangers, I just see as evil by the end of the day. I have no redeeming qualities. There is really never a circumstance ever that I'm going to cheer for the Rangers. I'm genuinely trying, unless even if like the universe is on the line, I'd probably cheer for the death ray. - Yeah, probably. And that's good hate. I think that's a good spot to be when it comes to hate. - Yeah, great. You buy your way out of every situation. Nice, real underdog story you've got going here. You just buy our Temi Panerian and free agency. Great, now all of a sudden we don't have to rebuild anymore. Give me a fucking break. Oh, we magically get the first overall pick and get Loughranier. And even then we don't turn him into anything. Oh, we just magically get Igor somehow. Fuck off, so sit with him. - Fair, fair. Yeah, that was a good hatred list. Respond to the Tel Aviv's Twitter with your list. I'd like to see if Abs fans have the same brain. - Yeah, I'm going to get your list. We're gonna tweet this out when the episode goes up and I want people to reply with theirs. - Okay. - Go to the Twitter and I want you guys to tell us just who your least favorite teams are. If you have the Rangers higher than 24th, I'm gonna judge you. - Fair, same. I'm just gonna judge. - I'm gonna judge your taste because my taste is correct. My experiences, my opinions are correct. That's why I have a podcast clearly, but. - Exactly. And if you don't see the sarcasm of this, you haven't been listening to the show long enough. I was thinking Reiser saying that someone's gonna take that seriously. - Yeah. If you don't see the sarcasm in the show, take your new listener and that was 100% sarcasm. So let's wrap up the show with some mailbag questions 'cause I think we just went on for 40 minutes about our hate right there. - I think that was the plan, generally. - Yeah, exactly. - It's the office, the off season, what else are we gonna do? Yeah, we've got a planned shows and this is a very good July content. It's like, wow, yeah, if you're not an Abs fan listening to this, good shot, I hate your team. - Yeah. - 'Cause I'm talking about more than half of the league. I don't like. So sorry about that, but also your team should be more likable. They should be more up to my standards. - Exactly. - All right, let's get to some of these questions. Our first one coming from Peter, asking have you ever watched the 96 or 01 Stanley Cup videos? If not, I'd highly recommend. I had them on VHS, but now they're on YouTube. Christian. - Yeah, Peter, here's the thing, man. Yes, I have. I watched the 2001 Stanley Cup thing on VHS a very long time ago, probably countless times. One of the greatest tragedies in my life is that I lost that VHS in my move. And yeah, now I just watch it on YouTube. I fucking love watching those. The 96 ones not as great. Again, I was two years old when that happened. So I really don't have a connection with that team. - Yeah, I mean, I've definitely watched them. That's some, that's good summer stuff to watch. - Yeah, I've watched them. I've watched the 96 one. It just doesn't hit as much home to me. - Right. It would hit more if the abs haven't won in my life. If they didn't win in '22, I would be a lot more attached to those, but I also have mine that I was involved in. So I get very attached to that one. 'Cause I agree the 01 one I think is just better produced. - Yep. - But even still, the 96 ones really cool. I think they, I think there was just, that one gets ignored because I think people were mad that Panthers didn't win and the abs moved to Colorado and win in year one kind of thing. So I don't know if that one gets as much attention as it deserves. - And also VHS is just ruled. Like I miss VHS, like that was awesome. I love being able to stream stuff, but there was nothing better than being a kid and plopping something in the VCR and just hitting play. And it was terrible quality, but I miss VHS. I do. - I existed right on the edge of VHS where I was alive for some of it, but it very quickly shifted to DVD where most of my experience with VHS was when in elementary school, they'd roll in the TV or they'd bring that massive thing that's like bolted down on straps and they put a VHS in. - Yeah, the highest form of technology, I remember when I was a kid was it was a TV and it had a VHS player and a DVD player in it. That was high tech when I was a kid. But yeah, sad day, I lost all those VHSes and I don't even know where you probably still can get VCRs, but they probably cost a ridiculous amount of money that I'm not. - That's a certain amount of money that if you're just, you're not a collector. - Right. - Yeah, and my parents' VCR finally broke and that sucked when that happened. But that thing lasts all the way to like 2014 and that was like 30 years at that point. So yeah, that was pretty cool. But yeah, good question, Pio. That was a good trip down the stall to lane right there. - Good trip down the stall to lane. Our next question coming from Katie, asking with Jack Johnson on another team and Andrew Kogliano retiring, who do you think will fill the role of veteran leader this season on the ice and in the locker room aside from players who already wear a letter? - Oh, that's a good question. Very good question. I think Calvin de Hans gonna come in and be pretty, pretty good leader. It's not a ton of like old school veterans like they had the past couple of years. Like this team is not young by any means, but they're also-- - They did get younger this season. - They got younger this off season. I think de Hans gonna be that. I think Logan O'Connor sneaky is gonna be a leader. Like I think he's quietly been one of the past couple of years. Ross Colton could be one. - Honestly, I think we're look, 'cause if you're talking about the oldest guys on the team, the oldest guy you mentioned is Calvin de Hans. Josh Manson's 32. Honestly, I think it's gonna come a lot on the defense where Tays Manson are probably gonna have to step up as those veteran leadership guys. 'Cause again, no Kogliano anymore. Zach Parisi is gonna be gone too. And we're replacing them with 25 year old Parker Kelly, where there might not be that old guy without a cup leadership anymore. And I think this team again is very much banking that Gabe Landyskog is coming back because they're definitely a team that's targeted leadership in the past, and they didn't really do that this year. Which again, they also didn't spend Gabe's money. Again, that tells me they're looking at him to come back and start to lead this team again. But in the meantime, I know you said no letters, but they do want, I don't know if I can say this, like I think they do want to see more leadership from like McKinnon, Ranton, and Macar, those kind of guys where even though they're not old, they'd want to see, I don't want to say more leadership 'cause we're not in the locker room. I think McKinnon's a great leader, but the same level of like Landyskog-esque leadership. - There's a reason why Landyskog's still the captain. - But, and again, I think there's another reason why Josh Manson's still here. - Yep. - I think he is a good veteran presence in the room. He's one of the older guys, and he's still good. So. - Agreed. - All right. - It is kind of weird that she probably was like, yeah, that's a really good point. We don't really have that like super old dude this year. - Yeah. Where you had Jack Johnson around for so long, Kaggleano for three seasons now, another gone. I think that's a great point actually, like man, that might be something that gets targeted at the deadline then. - Exactly. - I think it helps to have those guys where even if they're not the best, they're just good guys to have in the room. - There's good hangs in the room. - Again, like having a good locker room matters. - Yes. - I think that people roll their eyes and they think of a locker room guy. That matters. - It does. - They have a good leader in the room. It matters to have a guy everyone likes, the guy everyone wants to win for. 'Cause like these are your brothers who you go in a war with every day. Like you wanna make sure you like everyone here. - They literally see these people in the locker room probably more than they see their family. - Yeah. Like this is basically your family at that point. So you wanna have guys that you wanna go to battle with. And the reason why the Abs haven't won a cup since the 2022. Andre Burakovsky left the room. It makes you wonder. It makes you wonder. 'Cause by all accounts Andre Burakovsky is a hell of a hang. - Andre Burakovsky's won a cup where he's gone. - I'll say that. - He hasn't had a fair shot in Seattle yet 'cause they suck. But he won in Washington. He won in Colorado. I'm just saying to draw your own conclusions. And again-- - He does seem like a guy I'd wanna hang out with. - Oh, Andre Burakovsky is probably the most lovable person in every locker room. By all accounts in Washington, Team Teddy Bear, everyone loved him and protected him. And by all accounts in Colorado, like one of just the most endearing people. Just such a fun, lovable guy to be around. So I'm just saying draw your own conclusions. - Draw your own conclusions. Why do you think Curtis McDermott stuck around so long? - Right, right. There's a reason why they couldn't just put Curtis's ass on waivers and chip him out of here. People loved him too much. - Great locker room guy. - They kept him until they physically couldn't anymore. - Exactly. - They kept him around way longer than they ever needed to because he was such a fun person to have. - Yes, exactly. - All right, and we'll move on to our last two questions, both from Logan saying, "Greens, gentlemen, hope summer is going well for you, "both and you're enjoying it fully. "Two questions for you. "The first one, which teams have the best gold horn "and the worst gold horn in the year?" - Yeah. - That's a tough one. - I wish we were prepared for that because I could have done more research. I'm gonna assume he doesn't want us to say the abs because obviously I think the abs have the best gold horn. - Abs wouldn't be my answer, I'll say that. - Yeah. Oh man, I'm trying to go through my head just real quick like all the gold horns. - I'm a gold horn snob, so I know all of them by heart, but do you want to think about it? I can go for it. - No, I mean, I'm stuck between two. I kind of like the Kings. I like the Kings gold horn a lot. It's high pitched. It's, excuse me, a better version of the Euler's one. I think the Kings is. - I think you-- - So one of my least favorite, I despise the Rangers gold horn. - Okay, that's fine. So my worst one for me is not hard. It's Winnipeg's worst gold horn by far that-- - I just don't, I have no recollection of it. - It's like that, I don't even know how to describe it. It's like a squeal? I don't know. You'll look it up when we're done and you'll be like, "Oh right, that one sucks." - Keep talking. I'm going to find it and mute my microphone so it doesn't go through them. - Like the burr, that they all sound like that with the fuck that. - Yeah, keep going. I'm going to mute my microphone and find it. - The two at the bottom, indisputedly for me, are the Winnipeg Jets and the Edmonton Euler's. The Euler's one is shrill and annoying. It's just so fucking loud, high pitched. I can't stand it at all. My favorite ones, boy, I actually have a lot to pick from. I said the abs wouldn't be my number one and that's true. The caps wouldn't be my number one either. They got rid of the siren, which I think has made it a lot worse. It doesn't stand out much anymore. A lot of them actually belong to teams I don't like. I really, the one I, actually, I think the best one is the Black Hawks. I think when I look at their cup highlights, they have the best sounding goal horn that mixes with crowd atmosphere. I like the sabers and the predators, even though they're the same one. I like goal horns that have a lot of energy to them. Those ones have really, really good energy to them. Try to think of some of the other ones. - Yeah, the Jets one actually doesn't bother me that much. I kind of like the Jets one. - I can't stand it. I find it like nails on a chalkboard. I just, I think it's the worst one by far. The predators, the sabers, the Black Hawks. I think the abs one's good. I just wouldn't have it super high on my list. There's one I hate that I actually think sounds good and it's Pittsburgh's. - Yeah, Pittsburgh's a solid. - Yeah, I think they have a decent goal horn. I like goal horns that mix well with the crowd noise. They sound good in highlights. I think if I have to pick one, I think the Black Hawks have the best one, which I hate saying. But I think it's just good classic and just gets right to the point, sounds nice, pleasing, it's not high pitched and just it works. - It's fair, it's fair. I mean, the abs is just, I'm partial to the abs. You can also say it'd be very funny to say like the abs have the best one and Vegas has the worst one 'cause it's the exact same. - They stole it. They had a different goal horn when they started and then they just switched it to ours. And they just-- - Utah's TBD, we don't know what Utah's goal horn is. - Yeah, the Vegas, I forgot. I didn't forget about it, but that pissed me off about that. - It would be pretty funny, like you could just say like the abs have the best and then Vegas has the worst 'cause it's the exact same. - I'd have the abs in the top 10 first. - That's fair. - It's a good goal horn, it's not my favorite. Maybe it's because I hear it all the time kind of thing. I score in team in the NHL last year. - Yeah, where the capitals, they have a really good one, but they got rid of the siren. The siren was what made it different. - When I hear the siren, I just think of OV doing a breakaway move. - Right, it's classic, that was OV caps. You'd see him do something ridiculous and then just you get the siren ringing out. - Woo, woo, woo. - It was a good goal horn, it stuck out, it was good. All right, so yeah, Blackhawks, I'd say is my favorite and the Jets is the worst. - Fair, I just don't like the Rangers, it's more just like the song afterwards, drives me crazy. And I don't know if that's part of the question, but. - See, I don't count the song because of those change. The goal horn usually stays the same. - Eh, I miss when the abs used to sing the, ♪ Down, down, down, down ♪ ♪ Down, down, down, down ♪ ♪ Down, down, down, down, down ♪ - I think they should bring that. ♪ Down, down, down, down, down, down ♪ ♪ Hey, da, da, da, da ♪ And that'll bring back out, fans. Yeah, that used to be after every goal. And that's like ingrained in my memory as a like going to the abs games when I was young. - The thing is, I think everyone tries to copy what the Rangers do with the song, where I think they all try to have like the abs do now at the, "Hey, hey, hey." Everyone tries to have their own version of that, where I think it all sounds the same at some point. - Yeah, I just wish you had to go back to what they originally had. The, "Hey, hey" is a bad, and then I love the, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop. - I like that. I consider that its own thing, but yeah. Yeah, what was the second part of Logan's question before? - Second, then final question for today, from Logan, asking regardless of who is playing, would you rather attend a Stanley Cup final game seven or an Olympic gold medal game with NHL games? - Ooh, that's a great question. I think I'm gonna go gold medal. - I totally agree. - Yeah, I think I'm gonna go gold medal just because I imagine those two teams are gonna be like all star teams. - Yeah, that's a different environment. The Olympics, gold medal game, and we're talking NHL players are back. So like let's just say in 2026, you have the choice of going to the gold medal game or game seven or the cup final, 100% I'm taking that gold medal game. - Yes, yeah, it's a great question. I think you can give some thought about it, but I'm imagining being in the building in 2010 in Vancouver. Like that would have ruled. - Right, like that lives on. Like we've had three game sevens in the Stanley Cup final since then, and those are cool. - Yep. - I mean-- - I think if you if Logan rephrase the question, be like it's abs game seven in the Stanley Cup final or Olympic final, that changes, but if it's any team. - Well, if the thing is, if the abs are in game seven, it's Stanley Cup final, we're there anyway. - Right, that's fair. - No, that's different. But if it's let's say neutral, I don't hate the teams, which as we've established is not a lot of them. So I, Jesus, what would that match people be? Like Ottawa and Columbus or something? Because even though that's a lay mass match up, so-- - Yeah, I think I'm going a little bit gold medal. - Yeah, it'd have to be in a really cool venue for the game seven. - Yes, like maybe Toronto I'd go 'cause that'd be a fun environment. - You guys, I'll be ready to go into debt, game seven. - Oh no, I don't think it's cost is like matters in this. Like in this hypothetical world. - Yeah, yeah, you're right. - But even then, the Olympic one is guaranteed to be cool. - Yes. - It's not USA, Canada for the gold medal. If it was still like Finland versus the Czech, that's still sick. Like you're still gonna have half of the arena cheering for one side unless it's like in that country for some reason, but it's history. You remember those games more because it's been 10 years since that's happened in the NHL and even once it comes back, it'll be once every four years. - Yep, agreed, agreed. - Yeah, good questions. Well, great questions by everyone. - Really, really good questions to ask questions. - So thought provoking questions there. - Stuff I actually had to think about for a second there. Again, the mailbag is in the description of every episode is also on the tell it abs it is Twitter page. If you've got any other questions for us, we're gonna need them. - Yes. - We need them coming up. I'm asking police to please send stuff into the mailbag because we need to pad out these run times. - Exactly, exactly, pad them out. And even though like me and Griffin joked that we're like always trying to find stuff to do, but it is just fun to get on here and just talk some shop, talk some sports with your boy and have a good time. But I don't know, this episode could have been like 40 minutes. It also could be like, and I were in a half right now, I have no idea, like time to-- - I think we did a good job restraining ourselves with the hatred one because I could go on rants probably for individual teams for probably like 30 minutes each. - Yeah, I think so too. You have anything else for this episode? - No, I mean, news wise in the NHL is kind of-- - Nothing happened. - Yeah, really not much going on right now, not really even much in terms of rumors or anything like that. I don't have super detailed takes on Braden Schneider resigning with the Rangers. - Oh, that happened? Cool. - Yeah. - Two point two a year for two years. - Good for him, good for him. All in the show real quick, I got COVID, that sucks. Yeah, it's still out there. I honestly feel like I don't feel terrible. The worst part is I've lost my sense of taste and smell. You don't realize how nice it is to taste things until you've taken away from you. So that sucks. I've been stuck inside for the past, I'd say I first tested positive on Thursday, Saturday, so the past three days, I feel fine. It's just more like I'm just bitching because I can't taste anything. So that sucks, that sucks. I have been watching a lot of TV, which has been okay. I am eagerly awaiting college football to come out on Sunday night. That is what I'm eagerly awaiting. - Oh, it came out on Monday. - Well, I pre-ordered it. So it comes out Sunday night at midnight. So technically it'll be Monday morning. So what early access did you get? 'Cause I saw the early access starts on Wednesday. - It's three days early access if you pre-ordered. So it originally comes out on Wednesday. - I've seen like five different release days. - Yeah, all I know is if I open my PlayStation and I click on it, it says it already downloaded like the mainframe and it'll be playable in one day and 17 hours as of five hours ago. - Oh, okay. - Yeah. - 'Cause I saw it comes out on Friday and early access start on Wednesday. - Yeah, here I'm gonna pull up my PlayStation right now while we're recording. If you heard that beep, you know that beep, that's the PlayStation noise. It's turning on, it's trying to sign in, I'm delaying. But yeah, I've watched a lot of TV. I've played a lot of video games. It sucked, but yeah, COVID's still there. Yeah, it's currently playable for me in one day, 19 hours and 23 minutes. - I'll believe you 'cause you have the actual countdown. - Yeah. - But I think I need college football to come out. I'm bored. - Yeah. - I'm in the same boat, but I am, yeah, being sick sucks. Especially during the summer, it sucks even more. - Yeah. - Yeah, I've played all my games to death lately. - Yep, I'm the same way. - I'm the same way. So I need something new. Shout out to everyone who responded to my tweet, gave me shows to watch, they've been some good ones. There's been some good ones. - Give me your best one so far. Best one so far, I watched this documentary called "The Man with a Thousand Kids." I don't know if you watched that. Basically, he was a serial sperm donor in the Netherlands. And they estimate he's fathered more than like 5,000 kids. It's crazy. And he literally had to get like the court in Netherlands had to like say if he fathered any more kids, he would get hit with a $100,000 fine. And like all this crazy shit. But yeah, you don't realize how big of a deal it is until like there were like three dudes who were like having a competition so you'd think of father than most kids. And like all these kids in the Netherlands, it's like fucked because what if they like, you have a natural instinct to love your sibling more because they're your sibling. So like it was just a crazy thing. And I was watching it and I was like that kind of blew my mind. - Okay. - Yeah, but that was probably my favorite thing I've watched just because it was also fucked up. - I mean, shit, I might watch that tonight. - Yeah, pretty good. It's on Netflix. It's like an hour and a half long documentary. It's good. - I don't know how I've never, I watch mainly documentaries on that. I don't know how I've ever come across my page. - I think it just came out like a month or two ago. - Even still relatively new. - That should have been like a new release I should have seen. - Yeah. And then I watched the new season of The Boys. That was good. Also another fucked up show if you watch it. Someone else told me to start Reacher. So I'm gonna start Reacher tonight on Amazon Prime. I heard that's supposed to be good. - All right. I'm definitely gonna watch that documentary. That sounds-- - Yeah, it's fucked. But also like the guy just looks like a douche. So, and he basically like, like not to spoil it. I'm not gonna spoil it anymore for any of you if you know I watch it. Like when you watch it text me about it 'cause I'll talk to you about it, it's good. - All right. All right. We'll leave it at that. Yeah. I'll go watch that. That sounds interesting, but I've got nothing else here. I hope you feel better. - Yeah, I do feel today compared to yesterday is like so much better compared to yesterday. I couldn't go like five minutes without coughing today. I haven't had the cough. - Which is like a fire recording today instead of yesterday. - Yeah. - But I'm ready to leave it at that for now. Holy shit, I just realized my table's falling apart. - Yeah. - I've fixed that. Holy shit. This thing is holding on by a thread right now. There's a leg that's like about to fall off here. Holy shit. - Yeah, you need to get that taken. - I gotta take care of that real quick before the, at any point you could have, holy shit, the other leg, oh my God. I gotta-- (laughing) Holy shit. You could have just heard the fucking crash in the middle of this episode of this table fell apart. I gotta get on that. So we're gonna wrap this one up here. Thank you all so very much for tuning in. As always, you can use promo code teledabs. It is on Seat Geek for $20 off your first order of $50 or more. You're gonna follow us on Twitter. You can follow me @gyoungs and @show. You can follow Christian @Christian_balay and you can follow the show @tellitabs it is. But again, thank you all so very much for tuning in and we will catch you all next time. But until then, let's go apps. 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