Beyond The Horizon

ICYMI: The Ghislaine Maxwell Deposition (Part 17)

Our look into the dark underbelly of the Epstein operation continues in this episode as we begin our look at the Ghislaine Maxwell deposition in full.

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Ghislaine Maxwell Deposition Transcript - DocumentCloud

Duration:: 21m
Broadcast on:: 08 Jul 2024
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Maxwell, it was determined that I had to make a statement in the United Kingdom because of the appalling lies, and I just thought of some new ones. Virginia's statement that I celebrated her 16th birthday with her, we can all agree that that's entirely impossible. I didn't meet her until she was 17, and other lies she perpetrated that she had a diary and we all know that is a complete fake. That's not a diary, it was just a book she was writing that you all helped herself to the press as if it was a diary. Then it was just a story that she is writing for fiction, fictional story for money. McCauley, how did you arrive at the words that were put in that statement? Pagliyuka, I'm going to object and instruct you to the extent this calls for any privilege communications between yourself and redacted, or another lawyer representing you, we're asserting privilege. If you can answer that without that, feel free to answer. McCauley, so what your counsel is saying, and I will exclude any privilege communications you had with your lawyers. The question is, how did you arrive at the words that were put in that statement if you can tell me without disclosing privilege communications? Maxwell, I'm not sure that I can. McCauley, is that statement that you issued true? Maxwell, what do you mean by that? McCauley, is that statement that you issued? The statement that's in front of you, is that a true statement? Maxwell, as in that Virginia is a liar? McCauley, the words you put in there, is that true? Maxwell, of course they're true. McCauley, when did you become aware that the statement was being released? Maxwell, I don't recollect exactly. McCauley, what day was it? Maxwell, no. McCauley, I'm sorry, did you identify? I might not have caught it, did you identify the name of the lawyer that you said you retained for the purpose of this statement? Maxwell, I think redacted. McCauley, did you pay that lawyer? redacted? Maxwell, yes. McCauley, are you aware of any interstate or international transportation of a woman aged 18 to 28 for the purposes of prostitution? Mr. Paglioca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I'm not even sure I understand your question. McCauley, I'll go slower. Are you aware of any interstate meaning between states or international, meaning overseas transportation of women aged 18 to 28 for the purpose of prostitution? Mr. Paglioca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, are you asking? I'm still not sure I understand the question. McCauley, well, I'll try to make it clearer. I'm asking you, if you are aware of any interstate meaning between states or international transportation, meaning flight or by car or by train of women aged 18 to 28, their ages are between the ages of 18 and 28 for the purposes of prostitution. Mr. Paglioca, objection to the form and foundation. Maxwell, in the world, I'm sure that happens, I read about it all the time. McCauley, not in the world, are you aware of it in your experience with Jeffrey Epstein of any interstate or international transportation of women aged 18 to 28 for the purposes of prostitution? Mr. Paglioca, objection to the form and foundation. Maxwell, so whilst I appreciate this might not seem like a smart question, what do you mean by prostitution? What are you asking me exactly? McCauley, that would be sex for hire. Any kind of sexual act that's paid for. Mr. Paglioca, objection to the form and foundation. Maxwell, who's paying? What are you asking me? McCauley, it can be paid for by anybody. It's a sexual act that's paid for. I'm asking if you are aware of any interstate or international transportation of women aged 18 to 28 for the purpose of prostitution. Mr. Paglioca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I have no idea what you're talking about. McCauley, so you're not aware of that? Maxwell? No? And just interject? Let's remember that Glen Maxwell got nailed for exactly this thing. And, she is also in trouble for lying during this deposition, so keep that in mind. Keep that in mind when we're going through this, and she's firing off all of her nonsense. Especially considering we have hindsight to guide us, right? We're looking at this in context now, and we know exactly what Maxwell was up to, what she was convicted of, so it makes reading her lies here. Even that much more disgusting. McCauley, are you aware of any interstate or international transportation of women aged 18 to 28 for the purposes of having sex with Epstein, where they would receive compensation of any type? Mr. Paglioca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I don't know what you're referring to. McCauley, do you want me to repeat the question? Maxwell, sure, go ahead. McCauley, are you aware of any interstate or international transportation of women aged 18 to 28 for the purpose of having sex with Jeffrey Epstein, where they would receive compensation of any type? Paglioca, object to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I'm not aware of what you are talking about. McCauley, are you aware of any interstate or international transportation of women aged 18 to 28 for the purposes of providing a massage to Jeffrey Epstein? Paglioca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, so I need you to repeat the question for me. McCauley, sure, are you aware of any interstate meaning between states or international overseas transportation of women aged 18 to 28 for the purposes of providing massage for Jeffrey Epstein? Mr. Paglioca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I think we can agree he did travel from time to time with a professional adult masseuse. McCauley, are you aware of any interstate or international transportation of women aged 18 to 28 for the purposes of providing a massage to any person other than Jeffrey Epstein? Mr. Paglioca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, again, I'm not aware of anybody that if you're asking for specifics to someone else, I have no knowledge of that. McCauley, so you are not aware of any interstate or international transportation of a woman aged 18 to 28 for the purposes of providing a massage to any person other than Jeffrey Epstein? Mr. Paglioca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I don't recall what any single person being on a plane for a massage with someone else other than Jeffrey. For the sole purpose, if that's a question, I don't have any recollection of that. McCauley, earlier in your testimony, you stated that Virginia Roberts was 17 at the time that you met her. How do you know that she was 17? Mr. Paglioca, objection to the form and the foundation, and to the extent that calls for a privileged response, I'm instructing you not to answer. McCauley, how do you know Virginia Roberts was 17 at the time you met her? Mr. Paglioca, again, if you learn that information from your lawyer, I'm instructing you not to answer. Maxwell, I will follow my counsel's advice. McCauley, are you able to answer that question without telling me information you learn from a lawyer? Maxwell, I'm not. McCauley, so you don't have independent knowledge that Virginia, according to your statement, was 17 at the time that you met her? Maxwell, again, my lawyer has instructed me not to answer. McCauley, I'm asking you a different question, whether you have any independent knowledge outside your lawyers that Virginia was 17 at the time that you met her. Maxwell, following the instructions of my lawyers, I can only remember or testify to what she, Paglioca, interrupts. She is asking you a different question. She's asking other than what your lawyers have told you, do you have any knowledge about her being 17? That's what she's asking. Maxwell, I can't recollect where I got all the information that I have definitively shows that. McCauley, earlier in your testimony, I believe you said all of us would know that Virginia was 17 at the time you met her. How would we know that? Maxwell, I think you know that by her own dates. Now that it was in 2000, so her entire tale of me celebrating her 16th birthday is clearly another giant falsehood. McCauley, but she was 16 and 17 that year, wasn't she? Maxwell, which year? McCauley, you said it was 2000. Maxwell, I think the information that I have that indicates that definitively was something that is privileged, so I can't share that with you. McCauley, so you have privileged information that definitively tells you that she was 17 at the time that you met her? Maxwell, I believe that I do. McCauley, how would we know that? Maxwell, what are you asking me? McCauley, earlier today you testified that we would know that she was 17 at the time that you met her. How would we know that? Maxwell, I imagine you have access to exactly the same information that I have. McCauley, what is that information? Maxwell, again, it's privileged. I can't share it with you, but you have been on this case for, I don't know, much longer than I have, and I imagine you have all the information that I do. You probably think heat pumps are no fun, but hear us out. Train heat pumps are fully electric and highly efficient. Engineer to maximize your comfort and minimize your energy usage. That's fun, right? And thanks to rebates and incentives, upgrading to a train heat pump system can cost the same as a traditional air conditioning installation. That means you're getting more without paying more. That's definitely fun, and how about this? Train HPAC could save you over $500 per year on your energy bills. That means you're getting more without paying more, and you're saving more. If that's not fun, we officially do not know what fun is. And to train.com/residential for more info on heat pumps and available incentives, that's t-r-a-n-e.com/residential, it's hard to stop a train. Macaulay, do you know whether your lawyers have produced documents from you that would show the age that Virginia was at the time that you met her? Mr. Pagliuca, to the extent that calls for a communication that you had with one of your lawyers, I'm instructing you not to answer that question. Macaulay, I assume you, as part of the discovery process, had to collect documents that were relevant to this action. Is that correct? Maxwell, I did. Macaulay, did you collect documents that would show that Virginia was 17 at the time that you met her? Maxwell, I think you have everything that you have asked for that I have that relates to that. Macaulay, did you have a document that identified that Virginia was 17 at the time that you met her? Maxwell, you have all the documents that I had. Macaulay, I'm not asking what documents I'm asking, do you have a document that identifies Virginia being 17 at the time that you met her? Maxwell, you have every document that I have, you have seen every document that I have. Macaulay, that's not what I'm asking. Maxwell, I don't recall every document that I gave you so I don't know. I would have to look at every single document that I gave you and then review it, but as I recall, you have every document that I have. Macaulay, what are you planning to show the jury that will prove that Virginia was 17 when you met her? Maxwell, again, that's privileged, so I can't share it with you. Macaulay, if you're showing the jury, it wouldn't be privileged, so is there a document you have produced in this matter that shows that Virginia was 17 at the time that you met her? Mr. Paglioca, she answered that question already. She said she doesn't know. She has given you everything if there is a decision, assuming for the moment that there is such a document, just hypothetically, and assuming for the moment that it is going to get produced somewhere, if it hadn't already been produced, obviously that would involve a waiver, a future waiver of the privilege. I think that's the answer to the question. Macaulay, has the document been produced, do you know? Maxwell, you have everything that I have given you, so if you can't, if it's not in those documents, I don't know what to tell you. Macaulay, your lawyers haven't withheld documents. Maxwell, they're right here, you can ask them. Macaulay, I'm asking you. Maxwell, I don't know what, they're lawyers. Macaulay, when we were talking earlier about redacted, I asked you whether you had ever given him a gift of a puppet, so we're talking about Prince Andrew here, so everybody is following along. Did you ever, not as a gift, did you ever see in the presence of Prince Andrew, which is redacted, a puppet? Mr. Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you be more direct, please? Macaulay, sure, will you ever in a room with redacted, where there was a puppet? Mr. Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you be more specific, please? And can you bound it by time and be more specific? Whatever you were actually asking me, Macaulay, were you ever in a room with redacted, Prince Andrew, in New York, in Jeffrey Epstein's home, where there was a puppet? Mr. Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, what sort of puppet are you asking me? Macaulay, any kind of puppet? Maxwell, you need to be more descriptive. I don't know what you mean by puppet. There is hand puppets, all sorts of puppets. Macaulay, is there any puppet you've ever seen in Jeffrey Epstein's home in the presence of redacted, Prince Andrew? Maxwell, again, puppet. You know, there is lots of types of puppets. Macaulay, any type of puppet? Maxwell, if you want to give me a description of the puppet, I would be perhaps able to say, Macaulay, any type of puppet. Maxwell, can you be more detailed? Macaulay, have you ever seen a puppet in Jeffrey Epstein's home in the presence of redacted? Maxwell, my understanding of a puppet is a small, hand-held item you have in a circus. I have never seen that. Macaulay, have you ever seen a puppet which is defined as a movable model of a person or animal that is used in entertainment and typically moved by strings or controlled from above or by a hand inside it? Mr. Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I have not seen a puppet that fits exactly that description. Macaulay, have you seen any puppet that fits that description? Mr. Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you re-ask the question, please? Macaulay, yes. Have you seen any puppet that fits any description in the presence of redacted in Jeffrey Epstein's home? Mr. Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I'm not aware of any small, hand-held puppet that was there. There was a puppet, not a puppet. There was a, I don't know how I would really describe it, really. I don't know how you would describe it, not a puppet. I don't know how you would describe it. A character of Prince Andrew that was in Jeffrey's home. Macaulay, did you use that character to put the hand of that caricature on redacted's breast? Mr. Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I don't recollect. I recollect the puppet, but I don't recollect anything around the puppet. You characterize puppet, I characterize it as, I don't know, as a characterization of redacted. Macaulay, do you recollect asking Virginia Roberts to sit on redacted's lap with the puppet of redacted? Maxwell, I do not recollect that. Macaulay, what do you remember about the puppet of Prince Andrew when you were in the presence of redacted Virginia Roberts and redacted? Mr. Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I don't recollect the story as told by redacted or Virginia. I don't even know who, I remember the puppet of redacted, and I remember redacted, but I don't recall anything else around redacted. Macaulay, did you give it to him? Maxwell, I did not. Macaulay, who gave it to him? Maxwell, I don't think it was given to him at all. Macaulay, did he bring it? Maxwell, no. Was it something that was at the house? Maxwell, as best as I could recollect? Macaulay, was it something you saw at the house in advance of redacted's arrival? Maxwell, again, I don't really, I recollect the puppet, I recollect redacted, I don't recollect much else around the puppet. Macaulay, was there a party going on at the house at the time? You recollect the puppet? Mr. Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, you have to be way more specific. Macaulay, do you remember, you said? You recollect the puppet? You recollect redacted being there? Do you recollect the party that was going on at the time? Of that interaction with redacted and the puppet? Mr. Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I don't recollect a party. First of all, they weren't really parties. I don't recollect a party. I don't know what you mean by party in the context of that scenario. Macaulay, who do you recollect being at home during the time? Redacted was there with this puppet? Mr. Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I only recollect myself with redacted. I don't recollect anybody else. Macaulay, you don't recollect Jeffrey Epstein being there? Maxwell, actually no. Macaulay, you don't recollect redacted being there? Maxwell, no. Macaulay, you don't recollect Virginia Roberts being there. Maxwell, no. Macaulay, it was just you and redacted? Maxwell, I'm not saying it was just me and redacted. You are asking me, do you remember? I only remember redacted. I remember redacted and the puppet, but I can't place the puppet and everybody else in the same context, the same time frame, you are asking me. The next portion, completely redacted, and whatever it was, Pagliuca, objects to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, typically there is no typical because there is no standard procedure, so I can't comment or testify to redacted. Macaulay, do you remember him being at the house? Maxwell, not specifically, and then right after that question, they go on break, so we're going to do the same. We're going to break there, and in the next episode, we'll pick up where we left off. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. in the description box.