Beyond The Horizon

ICYMI: The Ghislaine Maxwell Deposition (Part 16)

Our look into the dark underbelly of the Epstein operation continues in this episode as we begin our look at the Ghislaine Maxwell deposition in full.

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Ghislaine Maxwell Deposition Transcript - DocumentCloud

Duration:: 21m
Broadcast on:: 08 Jul 2024
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So I can't testify to what Jeffrey's assistants did when this kind of activity has alleged in the reports. McCauley, so you don't know? Maxwell, no. McCauley, would Jeffrey Epstein's assistants, meaning redacted or redacted or any other assistant that you were aware of from the time you worked there, take nude photographs of underage girls? Mr. Pack Leuche, object to the form and the foundation. And just to interject, we all know who they're talking about here in the redacted portions, which is Sarah Kellen Vickers, right? So the question still remains. Is anybody ever gonna sit her down and get her under oath? That's probably a good place to start, right? Considering how many times her names mentioned in all of these documents, Maxwell, during what period of time? McCauley, during any period of time that you worked, did you observe that? Maxwell, I did not observe any such photographs. McCauley, are you aware if they took these kinds of photos? Maxwell, I'm not aware. Mr. Pack Leuche, can we take a five minute break? So they go to recess, they take about a 10 minute break and then they get back to it. McCauley, Ms. Maxwell, was it an obvious lie when Virginia said she was sent to Thailand by Epstein in September of 2002? Mr. Pack Leuche, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I have no knowledge of Virginia being sent to Thailand, but may I say something? McCauley, there is not a question pending unless you wanna clarify something. Did you wanna clarify that? Maxwell, no, I just wanted to say something. McCauley, is it an obvious lie when Virginia said she was given instructions to maintain telephone contact with you while she was in Thailand? Mr. Pack Leuche, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you repeat the question? McCauley, is it an obvious lie when Virginia said she was given instructions to maintain telephone contact with you when she was in Thailand? Mr. Pack Leuche, same objection. Maxwell, I have no idea what instructions Virginia was given if any, when she went to Thailand, McCauley, so you know she went to Thailand? Maxwell, I know she claims she went to Thailand from having read it, but given that she lied about everything, it's hard to know what is true and what is not true. McCauley, would it make any sense for her to be in contact with you? Would there be any reason why she needed to be in contact with you? Mr. Pack Leuche, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, what are you talking about? McCauley, when she went to Thailand? Mr. Pack Leuche, same objection. McCauley, in 2002, would there be any reason for her to remain in contact with you? Mr. Pack Leuche, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you please ask the question again? McCauley, would there be any reason for a Virginia to maintain contact with you in 2002 when she went to Thailand? Mr. Pack Leuche, same objection. Maxwell, first of all, I didn't know that she went to Thailand, I had nothing to do with her trip to go to Thailand and there would absolutely be no reason for her to be in touch with me whatsoever. McCauley, did you ever have a phone number? That was redacted? Maxwell, I did. McCauley, was that a cell phone number? Maxwell, yes. McCauley, is that your current cell phone number? Maxwell, yes. McCauley, I'm going to mark a couple of things here. Maxwell, Exhibit 11, photos marked for identification. The witness, can I say something now? Mr. Pack Leuche, no. Maxwell, will you let me know when I can? Mr. Pack Leuche, when she asks you a question. McCauley, so we've marked this as Exhibit 11. I'm showing you what's been marked as Exhibit 11, which is Roberts, 003, 191, and 031, 92. Can you take a look at that document for me? Is that number that you just identified? The redacted as being your cell phone number? Is that number on this document? Maxwell, it is. McCauley, and do you know who authored this document? Maxwell, I do not. McCauley, who is redacted? Maxwell, I don't know who redacted is on this document because I don't know what this document is. McCauley, do you know someone by the name of redacted? Maxwell, I do know someone by the name of redacted. McCauley, would he know your phone number? Mr. Pack Leuche, object to the form. Maxwell, I have no idea. McCauley, why would Virginia be instructed to call Ms. Maxwell at your number on this form? Mr. Pack Leuche, objection to the form and foundation. Maxwell, I don't know what this document is. I don't know when it was done. I don't know anything about it. Other than I can see it has my name and my number on it. McCauley, so redacted, you said redacted. Is he employed by Mr. Epstein? Maxwell, again, it is not the only one redacted on the planet. McCauley, I understand. Do you know a redacted that is employed by Mr. Epstein? Mr. Pack Leuche, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you ask me the question again? McCauley, do you know someone by the name of redacted that was employed by Mr. Epstein back in 2002? Maxwell, I do know somebody who was employed by Mr. Epstein, known as redacted. McCauley, do you recognize the other numbers listed at the top of this document? Maxwell, I do not. McCauley, would you have known redacted cell number at the time in 2002? Mr. Pack Leuche, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I have no idea. McCauley, can I ask you to turn to the next page, please? Do you know who redacted is, who is mentioned on this document? Maxwell, I do not. McCauley, if you look on the bottom line of the document, it says still in Thailand during your stay. If she is, she will be staying at the same hotel. Do you recall ever giving Virginia instructions to meet a Thai girl in Thailand? Mr. Pack Leuche, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I have already testified that I didn't even know that Virginia was going to Thailand. McCauley, so you didn't give her instructions to meet a girl in Thailand. Maxwell, like I said, I didn't even know she was going to Thailand. McCauley, do you know whether Jeffrey Epstein would have given her instructions to meet a girl in Thailand? Mr. Pack Leuche, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I cannot possibly tell you what Jeffrey did or didn't do, I wouldn't know. McCauley, do you know whether Jeffrey Epstein paid for Virginia to go to Thailand? Maxwell, again, I wouldn't know if he did. Maxwell, Exhibit 12 documents marked for identification. McCauley, I'm going to direct, you can take a look at it, and then I'm going to direct your attention to a couple of pages. Mr. Pack Leuche, so the record should be clear. This exhibit, which is 12, is 375, six, seven, eight, nine, 80, one, and then skips to 919, 920, 921, 922, 923, 924, 925, and 926. McCauley, so I'm going to direct your attention to the first page. Have you ever traveled with Jeffrey Epstein, where you've received documents like this from shoppers' travel in your own independent travels? Do you recognize this? Mr. Pack Leuche, objection to the form and the foundation. McCauley, the front form, the front page, do you recognize this super shopper travel form? Have you ever used them as a travel agent with Jeffrey Epstein? Mr. Pack Leuche, same objection. McCauley, you can answer. Maxwell, I don't recognize this. McCauley, turning to the second page, which is the 00376. Do you see that at the top, where the document says Jeffrey Epstein, 457 Madison Avenue, 4th floor, New York, New York? Is that an address that you're familiar with? And is that Jeffrey Epstein's? Maxwell, I am. McCauley, do you see below that? Travel on Singapore Airlines, and you are going to have to go from New York JFK to Singapore at Bangkok. Do you see that? Mr. Pack Leuche, what? McCauley, the first entry is going to be on September 27th, New York. Mr. Pack Leuche, I see it. Ms. McCauley, I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to the witness. Maxwell, I see it. McCauley to Singapore and Bangkok. Maxwell, Singapore, Bangkok, I'm afraid, are not the same place. And just to interject real quick, imagine being on trial or being deposed for abusing an underage girl and being condescending. Talk about hubris. We all have somewhere we're trying to get to. As the largest energy producer in Colorado, Chevron is working to responsibly meet rising energy demand. So everyone can get to where they want to be. You've arrived. That's energy and progress. Visit chevron.com/tankless. This country was built on a distinctly American work ethic. But today, work is in trouble. We've outsourced most of our manufacturing to other countries, sending away good jobs and diminishing our capability to make things. American Giant is pushing back against that tide. 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That Virginia Roberts trip to Thailand was paid for by Jeffrey Epstein, Mr. Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I can only testify to the piece of paper you showed me that has that information. I cannot testify from direct memory. McCauley, when Virginia was traveling to Thailand, which the dates again, I'm going to refer you back to the first page so you can see the dates. Mr. Pagliuca, can you identify a Bates number please? McCauley redacted, which was at the top says redacted. I'm going to refer you at the same time to the flight logs, which were marked the thicker document that looks like this with all the log entries on it. I'm going to refer you to Paige, Mr. Pagliuca, that's exhibit number six, correct? I'm trying to keep the record straight. McCauley, I don't have exhibit numbers on mine, that's Roberts redacted. Pagliuca, hang on one second. Maxwell, can you repeat the number please? McCauley redacted, and if you will look on that page at the entry, under redacted, redacted, starting with redacted, and then it runs down to the looks like the redacted, that first entry has redacted, redacted, Jeffrey Epstein, and the initials GM. Do you remember taking a trip with redacted, during redacted? Mr. Pagliuca, objection to the foundation and the form. Maxwell, can you repeat the question? McCauley, do you remember taking a trip with redacted, during redacted? That's the redacted it looks like, through the redacted. Maxwell, I don't remember the dates. I could testify to when we actually did it, but I do remember the trip itself. McCauley, so you were traveling with Jeffrey Epstein and redacted at the same time. Virginia was headed to Thailand, is that correct? Mr. Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I don't know, is that right? McCauley, if you look at redacted on the document, that I gave you your first document, and then you refer to, if you look in the same, as above line, you will see the travel group with redacted. Mr. Pagliuca, are you asking her to compare the documents, or are you asking her what her personal knowledge is? Miss McCauley, I'm asking if she can look at the doubts, and tell me if she recalls that she was traveling with redacted at the same time this document reflects Virginia was in Thailand. Maxwell, I can't testify to any dates. I couldn't tell you, I can see a date, and I can see a date, but I can tell you that I have a memory of the dates, I have a memory of the trip, I don't have a memory of the time. McCauley, who is this, redacted? Maxwell redacted? McCauley, what is her address? Maxwell, I don't know. McCauley, does she live in the United States? Maxwell, she does. McCauley, in what state? Maxwell, I believe in New Jersey somewhere. McCauley, do you have her phone number? Maxwell, not memorized? McCauley, do you have the ability to get her phone number? Maxwell, of course. McCauley, have you ever asked, has redacted? Ever asked other girls to come over to see Jeffrey Epstein for the purpose of sexual massage? Mr. Paglioca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you ask that question again, please? McCauley has redacted, ever asked girls to come over to see Jeffrey Epstein for the purpose of sexual massage? Mr. Paglioca, object to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you ask again, please? McCauley has redacted, ever asked girls to come over to see Jeffrey Epstein for the purpose of sexual massage? Maxwell, I have no personal knowledge. McCauley, what does redacted do for you? Maxwell, she helps with my not for profit ocean foundation and any other related activities that I may have. Just to add here, that's Terramar, you know, the same foundation that the Clintons helped her out with. Hmm, another Clinton connection, that's interesting. McCauley, is she paid for by Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell, no. McCauley, is she paid for by you? Maxwell, yes. McCauley, when did you first meet redacted? Maxwell, I don't recollect exactly sometime, maybe 2002, 2003. McCauley, how did you meet her? Maxwell, I don't recollect exactly how we met. McCauley, did Jeffrey introduce you to her? Maxwell, Maxwell, I don't recollect how we met. McCauley, does Jeffrey Epstein? Mr. Pagliuca, objection to form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you ask again, please? McCauley, does blank, no Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell, what do you mean by no? McCauley, has she ever met him before? Mr. Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I can't recollect a time when redacted. I've seen redacted with Jeffrey, but McCauley, you are not sure. Maxwell, well, I know they know each other. I can't testify to a meeting between them. McCauley, do you know where in New Jersey she lives? Maxwell, no. McCauley, you don't know a city? Maxwell, no. McCauley, how long has she worked for you? Maxwell, sometime 2002, 2003. McCauley, to the present? Maxwell, yeah. McCauley, why do you think that redacted might know Jeffrey? Mr. Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, because, you know, I know Jeffrey. McCauley, have you seen them together? Maxwell, I have already testified. I have not seen them together, to my recollection. McCauley, is it your testimony that redacted knows Jeffrey Epstein through the work that she does for you? Mr. Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I don't recollect, and I don't recollect how I met redacted, and I can't testify to what redacted relationship is or is not with Jeffrey. McCauley, have you ever talked to Jeffrey about redacted? Maxwell, I don't know what you mean. McCauley, in any way, have you ever had a conversation with Jeffrey about redacted? Maxwell, in what context? McCauley, in any context, have you ever talked to Jeffrey Epstein about redacted? Maxwell, redacted works for me so it's entirely possible that in the course of conversations, since 2002, 2003, that a conversation in which redacted's name would have come up as entirely possible. McCauley, I provided you with, and I'm sorry, I don't know all the numbers. But the statement that was issued by redacted that she should be a single page still in your stack of exhibits there. Mr. Pagliuca, exhibit number 10. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap this episode up right there, and in the next episode, we're gonna pick up where we left off. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. An official message from Medicare. A new law is helping me save more money on prescription drug costs. Maybe you can save too. With Medicare's extra help program, my premium is zero and my out-of-pocket costs are low. Who should apply? 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