Beyond The Horizon

ICYMI: The Ghislaine Maxwell Deposition (Part 14)

Our look into the dark underbelly of the Epstein operation continues in this episode as we begin our look at the Ghislaine Maxwell deposition in full.

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Ghislaine Maxwell Deposition Transcript - DocumentCloud

Duration:: 15m
Broadcast on:: 07 Jul 2024
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See terms at racing.fanduel.com, gambling problem, call 1-800-GAMBLER. What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up where we left off with the Galain Maxwell deposition. We left off with Galain Maxwell telling us that everything Virginia said was 1,000% false. So let's pick up from there. McCauley, so let's not take the first time, let's take the next time she comes. Maxwell, no, no, how can you do that? When the basis of this entire horrible story that you have put out is based on this first appalling story that was written, repeated, multiplied by the press, that lied about her age, lied about the first time she came, lied about, and characterized the entire first time. I have been so absolutely appalled by her story and appalled by the entire characterization of it, and I apologize sincerely for my banging at the table earlier. I hope you accept my apology. It's born out of years of feeling the pressure of this entire lie, that she has perpetrated from our first time, and whilst I recognize that was, I hope you forgive me sincerely, because it was just the length of time that this terrible story has been told, and retold, and rehashed, when I know it to be 100% false. McCauley, so not the first time that she came, but the second time she came, or the third time, or any time she came, did you ever participate in a massage with her and Jeffrey Epstein in Jeffrey Epstein's room? Maxwell, I have never participated at any time with Virginia in a massage with Jeffrey. Have you ever participated at any time with Virginia in any kind of sexual contact or sexual touching with Jeffrey and Virginia? Maxwell, I have not, McCauley, so we're going through the list of obvious lies, and you were talking about the first time, which I believe we have completed, but you can add to that if you need to. What other obvious lies did Virginia Roberts tell that you were referring to in your statements? Maxwell, oh my goodness, well, I think we can totally cover the redacted story, the story that I flew him with redacted, and there was a dinner with 100 people, and that entire thing is 100% fictitious. I have testified for the record, and I'm happy to do it again, that I have never flown, redacted and redacted myself as a pilot, in a helicopter, at any time, any place, at any time, to any part of the world. McCauley, what other obvious lies were you referring to? Maxwell, she was referring to redacted, she is referring to a bunch of people, I don't believe redacted ever came to the island at any time. I don't even know redacted actually. McCauley, just one moment, I want to hear all of them, but when you say you don't believe redacted ever came to the island, do you know whether redacted ever came to the island? Maxwell, redacted never came to the island. McCauley, how do you know that? Maxwell, Jeffrey doesn't know him, I don't know him, and I think had redacted, I don't think had redacted gone to the island during the period when I would have been involved in organizing a trip. I would have been aware of it, McCauley, so go ahead, you had another one? Maxwell, it would be easier if I could see, do you mind if I take a reference at some of these newspaper articles, or you just want me to go from memory? Her entire characterization of what took place in London at my house, with redacted. McCauley, was it an obvious lie that she was at your house in London? Maxwell, we can't really establish the photograph and all of that, I don't know if that's true, if that's a real picture or not, McCauley, so you dispute that you were actually photographed in your town home in London, Maxwell, I don't recognize that picture, I'm not sure if that's a real picture or not. McCauley, and you have talked to redacted about the picture, Maxwell, we discussed Virginia's entire tale and he asked me if he even knew her, McCauley so did redacted, tell you that he did not have sex with Virginia Roberts, Maxwell, he doesn't even know who Virginia Roberts is, so they're talking about Prince Andrew here, McCauley, did he ever tell you that he didn't have sex with her, Maxwell, it would be difficult to have sex with someone you don't know, McCauley he may not remember, Maxwell, I think the inference is he didn't know who she was, he didn't have any recollection of her whatsoever, McCauley has redacted ever come to your London town home, Maxwell, yes, ever being the entire time I own my house, yes, can I go on with her obvious lies, McCauley, if you have more, Maxwell, I have her her entire characterization, I took her shopping in the Burberry and bought her a very expensive dress and if this photo were real and if this is, I would never, the outfit doesn't work at all, so, McCauley, do you not remember taking her shopping or are you saying it's an obvious lie, you know, you did not take her shopping, Maxwell, I did not take her shopping, I did not buy her a $5,000 handbag, McCauley, did Jeffrey buy her a $5,000 handbag, Maxwell, her accusation was that I did, McCauley, do you know if Jeffrey bought her a handbag during that trip to London, Maxwell, I don't know what he did, she accused me, I can't physically remember buying a $5,000 purse for her, not for anyone, not for me, McCauley, did you ever go shopping with Virginia, Maxwell, I don't recall ever going shopping with Virginia, McCauley, did you have more to go over or did you want me to ask my questions, Maxwell, the entire characterization of what took place in my house in London would have been impossible, McCauley, can I ask, do you still have it, the picture of the London townhome with you in it, Roberts 00407, as you are looking at this picture, Miss Maxwell, as I'm looking at it, it's on the right hand side, there appears to be a picture hanging on the wall, do you recall that in your London townhome, Maxwell, it's a little difficult to see, McCauley, do you recall having a picture on the wall there by the room where you're standing, Maxwell, I do have a picture, McCauley, do you recall on the left hand side having a railing that looks like that with sort of a bubble wood top, Maxwell, I do, McCauley, so are you saying that it's an obvious lie, that Virginia's statement that she had sex with redacted is an obvious lie, Maxwell, what I'm representing is that her entire ludicrous and absurd story of what took place in my house is an obvious lie, McCauley, including that she had sex with redacted, Maxwell, she claimed things that took place in my bathroom in London, her characterization is just not possible, McCauley, so you're saying it's an obvious lie that she was telling an obvious lie when she said that she had sex with redacted, Mr. Pakliyuka, objection to the form and the foundation, the witness already answered the question, Maxwell, I'm saying within the context of all the stories she told, this particular story, backup, she claimed went out at night, redacted, redacted, redacted, she characterized that redacted, redacted and redacted, she then characterized things that took place in my bathroom in the bathtub itself, the tub is too small for any type of activity whatsoever, no it's not, that's just an absolute lie, another lie that galain Maxwell pitched to us, McCauley, redacted, Maxwell's answer is redacted, then McCauley, that would be redacted, Maxwell, yes, McCauley, are you saying that it was an obvious lie when Virginia said that you made her dress up in a schoolgirl outfit, Mr. Pakliyuka, objection to the form and the foundation, Maxwell, I already testified that first of all, I don't know what you were talking about, I already testified that I didn't get her outfits and all of that, McCauley, is an obvious lie that Virginia was paid to give a massage to redacted, Mr. Pakliyuka, objection to the form and the foundation, Maxwell, I cannot testify to what Virginia did, outside of I can't testify to what she did, who she gave massages to, McCauley, so you don't know on that one, Maxwell of course I don't know, McCauley, do you agree that it's psychologically harmful to have sex with a minor, Mr. Pakliyuka, objection to form and foundation, Maxwell, what are you asking me, McCauley, I'm asking if it's psychologically harmful for an adult to have sex with a minor, Mr. Pakliyuka, objection to the form and the foundation, Maxwell, I don't know what you are asking, this has nothing to do with Virginia Roberts, McCauley, it does, Maxwell, how does it, McCauley, I ask the questions you answer, if you can answer you can say I don't know, but my question is, do you agree that it's psychologically harmful to have sex with a minor, Mr. Pakliyuka, objection to the form and the foundation, we all have somewhere we're trying 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[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Maxwell, are you giving me a random question and as not related to this case and not related to anything, it's obviously not something that you want to have happen, McCauley, do you agree that Jeffrey Epstein has harmed many minors by having sex with them, Mr. Pakliyuka objection to the form and the foundation, Maxwell, I can't testify to what Jeffrey did or didn't knew, I have no knowledge of what you are asking me, McCauley, if Jeffrey had sex with minors, would you agree that that could harm a minor, Mr. Pakliyuka object to the form and the foundation, Maxwell, again, I'm not testifying to what Jeffrey did or what Jeffrey did not do because I cannot, McCauley, you don't know whether Jeffrey Epstein had sex with a minor, Maxwell again, I cannot testify to what Jeffrey did or didn't do, I cannot, McCauley, you never observed him having sex with a minor, Maxwell, I never observed Jeffrey having sex with a minor, McCauley, do you agree that calling a sex abuse victim a liar when she speaks about her abuse can cause psychological harm, Mr. Pakliyuka objection to the form and the foundation, Maxwell, can you repeat the question, McCauley, do you agree calling a sex abuse victim when she speaks about her abuse can cause psychological harm, Mr. Pakliyuka objection to the form and the foundation, Maxwell, say it again, McCauley, do you agree that calling a sexual abuse victim a liar can cause psychological harm, Mr. Pakliyuka objection to the form and the foundation, Maxwell, I would like to say all the terrible things Virginia Roberts said about me is extremely harmful and you should turn that around, all the lies that she has said and you have backed her on have been extremely damaging to me, so what I can testify to is that somebody who has made these outrageous allegations and who is a serious liar and that I know for a fact is a liar that I can testify is damaging to me, McCauley, do you agree that calling a sexual abuse victim a liar when she speaks out about her abuse can cause psychological harm, Mr. Pakliyuka, are you asking a hypothetical question, McCauley, yes, Maxwell, are you asking me to speculate, McCauley, I'm not asking you to speculate, if somebody is a sexual abuse victim, Maxwell, I can't testify to what some random hypothetical person that you are asking me to speculate on their mental state or health versus speculation, I can't do that, that's just not right, McCauley, do you agree that by calling Virginia Roberts a liar when she was subject to sexual abuse by Jeffrey Epstein, that can cause psychological harm, Mr. Pakliyuka objection to the form and the foundation, assumes facts, not in the evidence, Maxwell, I can only tell you what I know of Virginia's lies, she lied repeatedly, often, and I know for a fact she is a liar, so I can only testify to what I know and the fact that she is lied about me from the beginning to the end and repeatedly cause me to question anything that she may feel, alright folks we're gonna wrap up this episode here and in the next episode on topic we'll pick up where we left off, all of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. 4 by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. 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