Beyond The Horizon

ICYMI: The Ghislaine Maxwell Deposition (Part 12)

Our look into the dark underbelly of the Epstein operation continues in this episode as we begin our look at the Ghislaine Maxwell deposition in full.

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Duration:: 11m
Broadcast on:: 07 Jul 2024
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Did you issue a press statement redacted in January of 2015, stating that Virginia Roberts claims were "obvious lies"? Mr. Pagliuka, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you ask it in a different way? McCauley, I will ask it again and you can listen carefully. Did you issue a press statement redacted in January 2015, where you stated that Virginia Roberts claims were "obvious lies"? Mr. Pagliuka, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, so my lawyer, redacted, instructed, redacted to issue a statement. McCauley, today, did you say that Virginia lied about "absolutely everything"? Maxwell, I said that there is something she may not have lied about. McCauley, so are you saying it's an obvious lie that Jeffrey Epstein engaged in sexual contact with Virginia while Virginia was underage? Mr. Pagliuka, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you ask the question again, please? McCauley, are you saying it's an obvious lie that Jeffrey Epstein engaged in sexual conduct with Virginia while Virginia was underage? Mr. Pagliuka, objection to the form and the foundation. McCauley, you can answer. Maxwell, try again, please. McCauley, are you saying that it's an obvious lie that Jeffrey Epstein engaged in sexual conduct with Virginia while Virginia was underage? Pagliuka, objection to form and foundation. Maxwell, again, I'm telling you, first of all, it was a statement that was issued by my lawyer and through my lawyer redacted. McCauley, I understand that. I'm asking you, are you saying that it's an obvious lie that Jeffrey Epstein engaged in sexual conduct with Virginia while Virginia was underage? Is that a lie? Mr. Pagliuka, objection to the form and the foundation. McCauley, you can answer. Maxwell, so I cannot testify to what redacted and redacted decided to put. I can testify to what Virginia's obvious lies are, as regards to me. I cannot make representations about all the many lies she may or may not have told about Jeffrey. McCauley, so is Virginia lying when she says it's an obvious lie, when she says that she had sex with Jeffrey Epstein while she was underage? Mr. Pagliuka, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, again, I'm testifying to what I know to be true. I can only testify to all the many lies she told about me. I cannot testify to what lies she told about somebody else. Given she told so many about me, one can probably infer she's lying about everything. McCauley, so you think she's lying when she said she had sex with Jeffrey Epstein when she was underage? Mr. Pagliuka, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, again, I can only talk about what I know and what I can positively say for myself, not what somebody else is going to represent. McCauley, when you were saying that she was her claims of having sex with Jeffrey Epstein or obvious lies, are you saying she is lying about engaging in sexual conduct with Jeffrey Epstein while she was under the age? Mr. Pagliuka, objection to the form and the foundation. Mr. Pagli, you can answer. Maxwell, again, this was a statement that was put out from my lawyer redacted. And I can only testify the obvious lies that she says about me. I cannot make representations about lies she says about somebody else, but she lies so many times about me, one can probably infer she is lying about everything. McCauley, so is she not lying when? Is she telling the truth when she says she had sex with Jeffrey Epstein when she was under age? Mr. Pagliuka, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, again, I don't know how else to say this. I can only talk about what I know to be true. What I know is her story about how she claims that initial situation happened is so egregiously false and such a giant, fat, enormous, repulsive, disgusting, inappropriate, vile lie that I can testify to. McCauley, was she lying when she said she met you at Mar-a-Lago? Maxwell, again, I already testified I don't recall meeting her at Mar-a-Lago. McCauley, we showed you a document where you said you met her at Mar-a-Lago when she was 17. Is that correct? Mr. Pagliuka, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I think I already testified to that. What I remembered based on all the rubbish she has written and all the many articles I have read, maybe in the moment when I wrote that, have caused me to have a reflection on that, but I don't recall it as I sit here today. McCauley, are you saying that it was an obvious lie that you approach Virginia while she was underage at Mar-a-Lago? Mr. Pagliuka, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, first of all, we can all agree here, all of you sitting here, that the lies that you perpetrated in the press, that she was fifteen, and we should all agree now that that is fake, a lie that was perpetrated between all of you to make the story more exciting. Can we agree on that? McCauley, that's not my question. Maxwell, can we agree she was not the age she said, and you put that in the press, that is obviously manifestly, absolutely, totally a lie. McCauley, I'm going to put on the record Ms. Maxwell very inappropriately and very harshly pounded our law firm table in an inappropriate manner. I ask she take a deep breath and calm down. I know this is a difficult position, but physical assault or threats is not appropriate, so no pounding, no stomping, no, that's not appropriate. Maxwell, can we be clear, I didn't threaten anybody. Pagliuka, stop, you made your record, there is no dent in the table, I don't see any chips, can we take a break now? McCauley, I think it's appropriate to take a break. So they take a break for roughly 30 minutes, and then they get back, and it's right back at it. Ms. McCauley, Ms. Maxwell, how old was Virginia Roberts when you met her in Mar-a-Lago, Pagliuka objection to the form in the foundation? Maxwell, I know today that she was 17 years old, McCauley, are you saying that it's an obvious lie that Virginia traveled on Jeffrey Epstein's airplane? Mr. Pagliuka, objection to the form and the foundation? McCauley, you can answer, Maxwell, are you referring to my statement? Where that says that? McCauley, I'm referring to the language you use in your statement that says obvious lies. Maxwell, can you read my entire statement? McCauley, sure, let me pass it out. Maxwell, exhibit 10, email, marked for identification. McCauley, this is the Bates GM, 0, 0, 0, 6, 8, and we will mark it as, what you have in front of you, is a statement at the top. This was produced by your council. It is indicated Bates number GM, 0, 0, 0, 6, 8. At the top, the date reflects January 2, 2015, from appears to be a redacted, redacted, subject line is you, and then there is a number of individuals you can see at the top that are copied on this and it is sent to BCC on this statement. The statement, there are two parts of it, there is an opening email that says please find and attach quotable statement on behalf of Miss Maxwell, and there is more language there and it's from redacted, and then it says in the body of it, Jane Doe number three, or Jane Doe number three, is Virginia Roberts, so not a new individual. The allegations made by and it says Victoria, but I believe that means Virginia Roberts against Elaine Maxwell are not true. The original allegations are not new and have been fully responded to and shown to be untrue. And the next paragraph says, each time the story is retold, it changes with new, salacious details about public figures and world leaders, and now it is alleged by Miss Roberts that redacted is involved in having sexual relations with her, which she denies. Miss Roberts claims are obvious lies and should be treated as such and not publicized as news as they are defamatory. The last paragraph states, "Glane Maxwell's original response to the lies and defamatory claims remains the same." Maxwell strongly denies allegations of the allegations of an unsavory nature which have appeared in the British press and elsewhere and reserves a right to seek redress at the repetition of such old defamatory claims. Are you saying that it's an obvious lie that Virginia Roberts traveled on Epstein's planes? Mr. Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I'm saying that it's an obvious lie and I think we can all agree, you just had the case tossed out by redacted, he just got removed from the case because you put him in a case that he wasn't supposed to be in, so what was said about him is not true. McCauley, are you saying that it's an obvious lie that Virginia Roberts traveled on Jeffrey Epstein's plane? Mr. Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, you have given me plane records, that was her name on it, but as I already testified, those aren't federally mandated things, and I can see her name on it, but that's what I told you, I don't recall around the plane. McCauley, is this one of Virginia's obvious lies? Maxwell, there are more obvious ones, McCauley, is that one of them? Maxwell, I cannot testify to her being on a plane or not. McCauley, so is that an obvious lie? Maxwell, there are more obvious lies like redacted. McCauley, I understand that there are more obvious ones, I'm asking you, is the fact that she said she traveled on Epstein's planes an obvious lie. Maxwell, I think we probably say because you see her name on a plane record and she went for me to be, that would not be the obvious lie that I would pick. McCauley, what obvious lie were you picking when you made this statement? Maxwell, there are so many that I would be thrilled to go through all of them. McCauley, let's go through them. Alright folks, we're gonna wrap up this episode right here on that cliffhanger, and in the next episode we'll pick up where we left off. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.