Beyond The Horizon

ICYMI: The Ghislaine Maxwell Deposition (Part 6)

Our look into the dark underbelly of the Epstein operation continues in this episode as we begin our look at the Ghislaine Maxwell deposition in full.

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Duration:: 14m
Broadcast on:: 06 Jul 2024
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What's up everyone and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we're going to dive right back in to the Galayan Maxwell deposition and we're going to pick up where we left off. McCauley, in your responsibilities in working for Jeffrey, would you book massages for him on any given day so that he would have a massage scheduled? Would you take a call, for example, and book a massage for him? Mr. Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. McCauley, you can answer that. Maxwell, typically, that was not my responsibility. He would either book the massage himself or one of his other assistants would do that. Maxwell, like I said, typically it was somebody else's responsibility. McCauley, if you were unable to book a girl for a massage on a given day, would that mean that you were responsible for giving him a sexual massage? Mr. Pagliuca, objection to the form and foundation, and I instruct you not to answer any questions about any of your consensual adult sexual activity. McCauley, so you are not going to answer that question? Maxwell, you just heard my counsel, McCauley, have you ever said to anybody that recruiting other girls to perform sexual massages, for Jeffrey Epstein takes the pressure off you? Mr. Pagliuca, object to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, repeat the question and break it out. McCauley, have you ever said to anybody that you recruit girls? Maxwell, stop right there. I never recruited girls, let's stop there. Now, break down the question. McCauley, have you ever said to anybody? Maxwell, by girls, we are talking about underage people. You said girls. Are you talking about underage? We are not talking about consensual acts. This is a defamation suit. McCauley, I'm asking the questions. I know what this case is about. I'm trying to. I will ask the questions. If you don't understand the question, I can break it down for you. I'm happy to do that. Maxwell, break it down a lot, please. McCauley, I will do that. The question is, have you ever said to anybody that you recruit other girls? Maxwell, why don't you stop there? McCauley, let me finish my question. Have you ever said to anybody that you recruit girls to take the pressure off of you so that you won't have to have sex with Jeffrey? Have you ever said that? That's the question. Maxwell, you don't ask me questions like that. First of all, you are trying to trap me. I will not be trapped. You are asking me if I recruit, I told you no. Girls meaning underage, I already said, I don't do that with underage people, and as to ask me about specific conversations I had with language, we're talking about almost 17 years ago when this took place. I cannot testify to an actual conversation or a language that I used with anybody at that time. McCauley, have you ever said to anybody that you recruit other females over the age of 18 to take the pressure off of you, having to have sex with Jeffrey? Maxwell, I totally resent and find a disgusting that you use the word recruit. I already told you that I don't know what you are saying about that and your implication is repulsive. Now, just interject here, imagine this bipedal serpent, go into the nines here and try to die on this hilltop. Lady, we all know you're a human trafficker and we all know that your answers in this deposition were bullshit. P.S. Enjoy your time behind bars. McCauley, answer my question. Maxwell, I just did. McCauley, have you ever said to anybody that you recruit females? Maxwell interrupts her. I don't recruit anybody. McCauley, that's an answer, so you never said that? Maxwell, I'm testifying that I cannot testify to an actual language. McCauley, it's a yes or a no. Maxwell, I will not testify to an actual statement made 17 years ago, so I cannot testify to actual language. McCauley, so you won't testify to anything I'm asking you 17 years ago about a statement you made. How do you know it's 17 years ago? Maxwell, we are talking about a time in 2000, right? McCauley, have you ever said that to anybody? Maxwell, I'm 54 years old, so you are asking me in my entire life what words are you asking me in my entire life? McCauley, your entire life is limited by the time you were with Jeffrey. This is the question. Maxwell, let's time limit the question you are asking me. McCauley, so from, let's say, I think you said you started with him in '92, is that correct? And finish with him in 2009? So from 1992 to 2009, have you ever said to anybody that you recruit others and will start with girls to take the pressure off you to have sex with Jeffrey, Pagliutya, objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell, first of all, I resent and despise the word recruit. Would you like to define what you mean by recruit girls and you mean underage people? I never had to do anything with underage people, so why don't you re-ask the question in a way that I am able to answer it? McCauley, I'm asking if you ever said that to anybody, so if you don't understand the word recruit and you never use that word, then the answer to the question would be no. Maxwell, I have no memory as I sit here today, having used that word. McCauley, did you ever meet an underage girl in London to introduce her to Jeffrey to provide him with a massage? Mr. Pagliutya, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, run that past me one more time? McCauley, did you ever meet an underage girl in London to introduce her to Jeffrey to perform a massage? Mr. Pagliutya, same objection. Maxwell, are you asking me if I met anybody that was underage in London, specifically to provide a massage to Jeffrey? Is that the question? McCauley, yep. Maxwell, no. McCauley, do you know who redacted is? Maxwell, I don't recall her right now. McCauley, do you know if, strike that? During the time that you were working for Jeffrey, did you ever observe any foreign females? So in other words, not from the United States, that were brought to Jeffrey's home to perform a massage? Mr. Pagliutya, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, females, what age are we talking? McCauley, any age? Maxwell, can you repeat the question? McCauley, during the time you were working for Jeffrey, did you ever observe any foreign females of any age that were at Jeffrey's home to perform a massage? Mr. Pagliutya, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, are you asking me if any foreigner, not an American person, gave Jeffrey a massage? McCauley, yes. Maxwell, well, as I sit here today, I can't think of anyone who was foreign. Certainly, I just can't think of anybody right this second. McCauley, how about any foreign girls who were under the age of 18? Maxwell, I already testified to not knowing anything about underage girls. McCauley, were there foreign girls who were brought to Jeffrey's home, by redacted, for the purpose of providing massages? Mr. Pagliutya, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I am not aware of redacted, bringing girls. I have no idea what you're talking about. McCauley, you have never been around foreign girls who were under the age of 18 at Jeffrey's home, Mr. Pagliutya, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I already testified about not knowing about underage girls. McCauley, did you ever provide assistance with obtaining visas for foreign girls that were under the age of 18? Maxwell, I've never participated in helping people of any age to get visas. McCauley, did Jeffrey, was at Jeffrey's preference to start a massage with sex? Pagliutya, objection to form and foundation. Maxwell, I think you should ask Jeffrey that question. McCauley, do you know? Maxwell, I don't believe that was his preference. I think you have to understand the massage, perhaps you are not really familiar with what massage is. McCauley, I am, I don't need a lecture on massage. Maxwell, I think you do. Pagliutya, no question pending, she will ask you another question now. Maxwell, massage is for health benefits. McCauley, when did you first meet Jeffrey? Maxwell, some point, 1991. McCauley, and did Jeffrey know your father? Maxwell, no. McCauley. How were you introduced to Jeffrey? Maxwell, some friend introduced us. McCauley, can you describe your relationship back in 1991? Was it friendship, or was it girlfriend relationship, or was it a work relationship? What was your relationship in 1991? Maxwell, it was just friendly. McCauley, then I believe you testified, you began working for him in 1992. Is that correct? Maxwell, yes. McCauley, in 1992, I know you gave me the description of the work that you were performing for him. How much was he paying you? Do you remember? Maxwell, I don't recall. McCauley, do you know, for example, in 2001, how much he was paying you? Maxwell, I don't recall. McCauley, did it change over the years, or did the payment remain the same? Maxwell, I believe over the course of time, it increased a little bit. McCauley, what was that payment, the payment that was the payment made with respect to the jobs, the work you were performing for Jeffery, was that your sole income at the time? Mr. Pagliuca, I object to the form. I'm also going to instruct you not to answer about sources of your personal sources of income outside of Mr. Epstein at all. Ms. McCauley, what's the basis for that? Pagliuca, it's confidential, it's not part of this lawsuit. McCauley, we have our protective order and it is part of this lawsuit with respect to our damage claims. Mr. Pagliuca, it's not, and in fact, you are not entitled to ask financial information of a defendant in this kind of case, in a defamation case on less than until there is a finding that you were entitled to punitive damages. That is clear in New York case law, both state and federal. Ms. McCauley, well, we disagree on that point, and we will come back to that. McCauley, from the source of payment, from the source of Jeffery, from your work, can you give me a range on that? As you know, was it over a hundred thousand? Maxwell, I just testified that I don't recall. McCauley, you don't know if it was five hundred thousand? Maxwell, it was less than that. McCauley, somewhere between a hundred thousand and five hundred thousand, would that be fair to say? Maxwell, I believe it was between one hundred and two hundred thousand. McCauley, did Jeffery, during that time, that you were working for him, purchase a town home for you? Maxwell, the subject of the townhouse is, I worked for it, and I had a loan, we did loans. McCauley, so a loan through Jeffery. Maxwell, I don't recall the exact transaction. McCauley, did he purchase for you a helicopter during the time you were working for him? Maxwell, it was his helicopter. McCauley, when did you obtain your pilot's license? Maxwell, I believe it was 1998 or 1999. McCauley, was that for both airplanes and helicopters, or just helicopters? Maxwell, just helicopters. McCauley, have you ever flown redacted and redacted on your helicopter? Maxwell, that is another one of Virginia's lies. McCauley, the question is, have you ever done that? Maxwell, I have never flown redacted at any time ever in any helicopter, in any place, any time in any state, in any country, at any time anywhere. McCauley, have you ever had dinner with redacted at Jeffery's home, at any of Jeffery's homes? Maxwell, no, I don't believe so. McCauley, have you ever traveled on Jeffery's planes with redacted? Maxwell, yes I have. McCauley, would that have been in 2002? Maxwell, it's very hard for me to recollect exact dates, but that sounds about right. McCauley, was that during the time that Virginia was working for Jeffery? Maxwell, I don't know that Virginia ever did work for Jeffery. I don't know exactly, no if she testified to her so-called duties. We know she is a serial liar, so I can't testify to what she did, or didn't do. So I object to that characterization of her, so repeat the question please. McCauley, can you read the question back, the records read? You can answer that question, McCauley says, Maxwell, what was the question again? McCauley, when you were traveling on the plane with redacted, was that during the time, it was 2002. That you were on the flight with redacted, was that during the time that Virginia was working for Jeffery? Mr. Pagliuka, object to the form, misstates the witness's answer, and if you can answer the question, you can answer it. Maxwell, well, like I said, I don't recall exactly when I flew with him, I don't recall when Virginia, we know that Virginia claims when she left, so I can't answer the question. I have no idea. McCauley, do you know redacted? Maxwell, I do. McCauley, how long have you known him? Maxwell a very long time. McCauley, since you were a child, Maxwell, I really, it's so long, it's a really long time ago, I just don't recall. McCauley, do you remember how you first met him? Maxwell, no, I do not. McCauley, did you introduce him to Jeffery? Maxwell, that would be another of Virginia's lies, and the lies you perpetrate, I never introduced redacted, I'm guessing this is Prince Andrew, by the way, to Jeffery Epstein at any time ever, so just add that to the long list of lies. Alright folks, we're going to wrap up this episode here, and in the next episode, we're going to keep the discuss bus rolling. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.