Beyond The Horizon

The Jeffrey Epstein Grand Jury Documents (Part 5) (7/3/24)

In February 2024, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signed HB 117, which allows for the release of grand jury documents from the 2006 investigation of Jeffrey Epstein. This legislation permits the disclosure of grand jury testimony if the subject of the inquiry is deceased, the investigation was about sexual activity with a minor, and the testimony was previously disclosed by a court order.

The bill, effective July 1, 2024, aims to provide transparency and justice for Epstein’s victims by revealing previously sealed grand jury proceedings. This move has been celebrated by victims and advocates as a significant step toward accountability and justice.

Epstein's 2006 investigation involved the Palm Beach Police Department, which had recommended multiple felony charges, including unlawful sexual activity with a minor and lewd or lascivious molestation. However, the State Attorney at the time chose to present the evidence to a grand jury, resulting in the details and names of those involved remaining sealed.

HB 117's passage was supported by two of Epstein's victims, who joined Governor DeSantis in Palm Beach to mark the occasion. Governor DeSantis emphasized that the public deserves to know who participated in Epstein’s sex trafficking and that wealth and status should not protect individuals from facing justice. Representative Peggy Gossett-Seidman also highlighted the significance of this legislation for the victims and the Palm Beach community that suffered from Epstein's actions.

And now those documents are available for us to dive into.

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Duration:: 15m
Broadcast on:: 03 Jul 2024
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What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up where we left off with the Jeffrey Epstein Grand Jury Documents from Palm Beach. Jerr, where do you live now? Witness, I live in redacted. Jerr, where? Witness, redacted. Jerr, did you say that before you lived up in redacted? Witness, yes, I moved to redacted in July with my mother. Belahovlic interjects, your mother, your stepmother and your father sent you up there to get away from the activities down here. Witness, no, I moved with my mom. When I was with my dad, like after this all happened, my mom and dad were arguing. And I didn't like my dad anymore. And I just felt like living back with my mom, so then I moved in with my mom. And that's when I went to the family center, like redacted is what it's called. And then after that, my mom had planned on moving to redacted. She's been planning for like two years before any of this happened. And then they finally found the house in redacted, so we moved, and I moved with them. Jerr, do you have any idea? Deep down inside of you that you, what you're doing is wrong? Witness, yeah, I did. Jerr, oh, do you? Have you witnessed, oh, I cut off by the Jerr? Have you set the goals of to not do it anymore? Witness, yes, I don't. I haven't talked to any of those people since that day. Jerr, and you're well aware that what you're doing to your own reputation. The witness, yes, I do. And this part right here, this exchange is absolutely wild. Bella Hovlic should be held accountable, and I mean yesterday. Bella Hovlic, you aware that you committed a crime? Witness, now I am. I didn't know it was a crime when I was doing it, like, I don't know, now I guess it's prostitution or something like that? Let's be very, very clear, okay? A child can't be a prostitute. So this whole entire line of questioning, this whole entire bullshit nonsense that we see from Bella Hovlic is nothing but garbage. And she's doing this to protect Jeffrey Epstein. Does anyone have any doubt? And now especially go back and think about the NPA document that we read, and how much bullshit that was. Oh yeah, the OIG didn't find anything wrong with any of this. Give me a break. It was all to protect their asset, Jeffrey Epstein. And by the way, he wasn't Mossad, okay? Go and stuff that bullshit too. The dude was an asset. That means he was a free agent, working for intelligence agencies all over the place, including the Mossad, but he wasn't a Mossad agent. Get that through your skulls. Bella Hovlic, any other questions? The juror one more. You said you worked out redacted. You were 14, you were working out redacted? Witness, yeah, in redacted, that's when they like first let you work when you're 14. Juror, okay, now your work. You're living back now with your father. In the meantime, the witness, no audible response. Miss Bella Hovlic, anybody else in the front row? Second row, yes, sir. Juror, um, you kept saying Jeffrey's assistant. Do you know her name? Witness? No, I know that she has blonde hair that she was tall and skinny. I don't remember her name. Juror, okay. Bella Hovlic, yes, sir. In the back row, juror, yes. Miss redacted. Did you ever go back to Mr. Epstein's on your own? The witness, no, sir. I didn't. Juror, did he ever contact you with your cell phone? He never called you. The witness, no, because I got my phone taken away like the juror interrupts her. Did you? Witness interrupts the juror right back right when I was in trouble. Juror, did you ever feel that his behavior was a little strange? Witness? That's what we all joked about in the car. Juror, yeah, but did it ever occur to you that he could have hacked you up? Witness, I now think about it and a lot of things could have happened. I thought about it a lot, and a lot, juror, should give it a little further thought. Witness, different things could have happened. Bella Hovlic, any other questions for Miss redacted? All right, thank you very much. The witness is excused. Now they're calling back Joseph Ricari as a witness. Miss Dugan, I'll go ahead, and this is for the record. This is Detective Joe Ricari. I don't need to reswear you in. We'll just remind you that you're under oath. Ricari, okay. Dugan, okay. Bella Hovlic. Detective Ricari, let's go back to the investigation before you took over. It's still Detective Pagan. There's mention in her report of trash pulls. What's a trash pull? Answer, a trash pull is when you make arrangements with the supervisor as sanitation to have the trash man go onto the property, remove the trash, and place it in the empty well of a trash truck, and you follow him to a different location than you retrieve the bags from the truck. Bella Hovlic, how is it that you can take things off someone's property without a search warrant in that way? Is it permissible because it's been discarded? Answer, it's discarded. It's trash. It was in the truck. We just take possession of it from the truck. Bella Hovlic, okay. April 1st, 2005. Was there a trash pull at Jeffrey Epstein's house? Answer, correct. Bella Hovlic, okay. Do you know what was found when they examined the trash from his house? Answer, several messages with phone numbers written on it with girls' names and different messages. Question, did any of the messages that you've had a chance to look at talk about any of the girls you found out through your investigation had gone to Jeffrey Epstein's house? Answer, that's correct. The names and phone numbers were of girls that have gone to the house and left little messages. I have girls for them. You know, for a good time, call me type of thing. Bella Hovlic, okay. Was there a message indicating that redacted had an appointment in April? Answer, yes. Bella Hovlic, and what time did redacted have an appointment in April? Answer, 11 a.m. Bella Hovlic, okay. Do you know if Detective Pagon had taken voicemails from redacted's phone where redacted was confirmed meeting with redacted? Answer, right. Bella Hovlic, to go there at 11. Answer, there were controlled phone calls between redacted was making phone calls to redacted for us as part of the investigation. Redacted made the appointment to bring redacted over at 11 a.m. for April 1. Bella Hovlic, but redacted never went there? Answer, no. Bella Hovlic, okay. Now, were there any messages indicating that someone named redacted or someone named redacted has appointments to go to Mr. Epstein's house? Answer, yeah. There were several mentions of redacted and redacted. Bella Hovlic, were you able to identify who redacted and redacted were? Answer, yes. I did. Later on in the investigation, we discovered that redacted was actually redacted, redacted, another redacted school student who still attends and redacted was the other girl that was frequenting Epstein's home. Bella Hovlic, how old was redacted at that time? Answer, I believe she was 16. Bella Hovlic and how old was redacted? Answer, redacted. Through the investigation, I found out she started going to the house when she was 16 or had just turned 16. Bella Hovlic and how long of a time did she continue to go there? Answer, till she turned 18. Bella Hovlic, okay. Was there a trash pool on September 21st of 2005? I guess this is after you've taken over the investigation? Answer, correct. Bella Hovlic, okay. Was there a trash pool that day? Answer, yes. Bella Hovlic, did you find anything interesting in that trash pool? Answer, I'm trying to get to Bella Hovlic, maybe page 24, 25 of your report, page 24. Answer, the date was September. Bella Hovlic, September 21st. Answer, okay, yes. Bella Hovlic, what did you find in the trash pool? Answer, I had notes with the names redacted with her phone number, as well as redacted for a good time call redacted, and she's cut off, he's cut off here by Bella Hovlic. Were you able to identify redacted? Answer, yes. Bella Hovlic, who is redacted? Answer, redacted is redacted. Bella Hovlic, and what about redacted? Were you able to identify redacted? Answer, yes. Through the investigation, I was able to find out that redacted is actually redacted. Bella Hovlic, can you spell redacted? Answer, redacted. Bella Hovlic and how old was she at the time? Answer, 17. Bella Hovlic, okay, another trash pool occurred on October 3rd, 2005. Answer, correct, Bella Hovlic, anything interesting found in that trash pool? Answer, October 3rd, what page were you on? Bella Hovlic, page 26. Page 26 is a report dictated by an officer Croll. Answer, Curtis Croll, correct. Bella Hovlic, okay. Answer, that's why. Bella Hovlic, in there he indicates, in the trash pool, they located a hard plastic or clear acrylic stick, which was shaped with small ridges. This device is commonly used as a sexual toy, which is inserted into the vagina or anus for stimulation. Was that type of item actually found? Answer, um, the device was actually found. But later on in the search warrant, it was discovered that it was actually the handle of the, he's cut off here by Bella Hovlic, for the silverware, he goes on to answer for forks, for forks and knives. Bella Hovlic, okay, so it wasn't something we would call a vibrator or a dildo. Answer, no. Bella Hovlic, okay, it appears. That way to him, but you were able to confirm later, it was not. Answer, right. Bella Hovlic, okay. All right. You are aware from your investigation and talking to detective Pagon that redacted said she was initiated into going to Jeffrey Epstein's house by someone named redacted. Answer, correct. Hey guys, it is Ryan. 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No, she came back with us to the police department for further questioning. Bella Hovlic. She was uncomfortable talking at her house. She told you she wanted to do it somewhere else. Answer. Um, no, we just I wanted to go over the documents that I didn't have with me with her. Bella Hovlic. Okay. Answer. At the then he's cut off again by Bella Hovlic. So when did she come to the police department? Answer that same day. Bella Hovlic. What did redacted tell you? Answer. During sworn tape statement, she stated that she became in contact with Mr. Jeffrey Epstein when she was 17 when she was approached by a friend with an opportunity to make money. She was taken to Epstein's residence. She was told that she would have to provide a massage and she'd make 200 bucks. She was taken to the house. She was introduced to his Epstein's assistant by the name of Sarah. Sarah then would escort her upstairs, prepare the room for the massage by putting out the ointments and the different oils. Mr. Epstein came into the room. She demanded she removed her clothing. She did so. She started giving the massage, rubbing his back, his calves, his thighs. He turned onto his back, asked her to rub his chest. As he did so, he tried to touch her, touch her buttocks. He pulled she pulled away. She said, I'm uncomfortable with you touching me. I'll give you the massage, but I'm uncomfortable with you touching me. It was at which time he said, I know you're uncomfortable. If you bring me girls, I will pay you to bring me the girls. Bella Hovlic, so he didn't make her do anything she was uncomfortable with? Answer right. Bella Hovlic, okay. How did she indicate that she first met anybody that knew Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, she was approached by one of her friends and redacted by the name of redacted, unknown last name. I was never. He's interrupted here by Bella Hovlic. You never? Then he interrupts her, able to identify Bella Hovlic then says determined. Then he responds, who redacted was, who actually took her to Epstein's house and introduced her into the household. Bella Hovlic, okay. You were able to determine the approximate date when she met this redacted, who took her to Epstein's house. Answer, sometime when she turned 17, she told me. Bella Hovlic, okay. So she was 17 when she first went there. Answer, mhm. Bella Hovlic, all right. When he talked to her about bringing other girls to him, since she's uncomfortable, what was her response to him? Answer, she agreed to bring other girls to him. And he told her, the younger, the better. All right, we're going to wrap up this episode here. And in the next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. Hey, it is Ryan Seacrest. There's something so thrilling about playing Chumba Casino. Maybe it's the simple reminder that with a little luck, anything is possible. 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