Beyond The Horizon
Murder In Moscow: Bryan Kohberger And His Alleged Obsession With Madison Mogen (6/24/24)
Bryan Kohberger is a 29-year-old criminology graduate student from Washington State University who has been accused of the November 2022 murders of four University of Idaho students: Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin.
The students were found stabbed to death in their off-campus home in Moscow, Idaho.Kohberger was arrested in December 2022 at his family's home in Pennsylvania. Investigators have linked him to the crime scene through DNA evidence and cellphone data, which reportedly shows him near the victims' residence multiple times before the murders and during the night of the incident. His defense, however, claims that Kohberger was out driving and stargazing during the time of the murders, and they plan to use cellphone data to support this alibi.
Kohberger faces four counts of first-degree murder and a potential death penalty if convicted. His legal team is pushing for a change of venue for the trial, citing concerns over finding an impartial jury due to the extensive media coverage of the case. The trial date has not yet been set, and pre-trial hearings continue to address various motions and evidence disputes.
In this episode, we continue to explore the theory that Madison Mogen was targeted by the alleged killer.
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TOM LEONARD: Was one man's twisted obsession with a blonde student waitress the REAL REASON her three housemates were slaughtered in the dead of night? | Daily Mail Online
- Duration:
- 19m
- Broadcast on:
- 24 Jun 2024
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When you look at the whole entire scenario of how this went down and what Brian Coburger allegedly did and in the order in which these murders take place, it's pretty obvious to me anyway that he was targeting Madison Mogan. He passed by rooms heading up to her room. He made a B line for her bedroom. And then, when he found her in that bedroom with Kaylee, it enraged him. But I truly believe that Brian Coburger that night thought he was going to creep in there and do whatever he was going to do to Madison and then get away with it and nobody would ever be the wiser. And in his mind, well, if he kills one woman, the FBI is not going to get involved. It's going to be the local police force trying to figure it out and he thought he could beat them. He thought he was smarter than them. Well, this dumb ass, allegedly, left a knife sheath right under the body. So not as smart as he thought he was, is he? Unless, of course, that's part of his plan. You know, there's people out there that said that Coburger might have left that sheath on purpose. Almost framing this dude like he's some kind of Hannibal Lecter intellectual type of criminal. One in reality, in my opinion, just another run-of-the-mill psychopath. But I have no doubt that he never intended to kill four people. I've thought from the very beginning that his intention was to kill one person. At first, I thought it was Kaylee. But then as we progressed and we learned a little bit more, about where Mattie was working, stuff like that, it just made more sense. And then we find out that Kaylee had moved out already and she was only there visiting. And considering what we've heard from the prosecutors about Brian Coburger, you know, staking out the house, doing his due diligence when it comes to his targets, chances are if he was observing them and following along with their lives on social media that he knew that Kaylee was gone. And he thought that this would be the perfect time right before the holiday to slide in, do his disgusting ass business, slide out and not get caught. Well, breaking news, dumbass, how's that gel food? Today's article is from the Daily Mail and the headline, Tom Leonard. Was one man's twisted obsession with a blonde student waitress, the real reason her three housemates were slaughtered in the dead of night? This article was authored by Tom Leonard. And yeah, I think that's the most logical explanation, the most logical reasoning. And if Brian Coburger, or whoever did this, was going there just for wholesale slaughter, wouldn't everybody have been murdered? But instead, it was targeted, and then on the way out, unfortunately, Zana and Ethan became collateral damage as well. Few crimes in recent years have been more horrific than on the day in November 2022 that Idaho police found for young students brutally stabbed to death in an off-campus home. The three women and one man, Kaylee Gonsalbus, Madison Mogan, Zana Cernodel, and Ethan Chapin, had been asleep in bed when an unknown intruder stole through the house, killing each of them, but strangely sparing to other housemates who had been on a lower floor. And well, we know they weren't sleeping at this point. They were up texting, Zana was getting the door dash, the whole thing. So when it first broke, and we heard, "Oh, they were sleeping in their bed," at least we said to ourselves, "Ah, well, at least they didn't suffer." Unfortunately, that's not the case, and I can't even imagine the fear when these young ladies and Ethan figured out what was really going on. The case transfixed America, but Revulsion turned to mystification when nearly seven weeks later the FBI arrested a PhD student more than 2,000 miles away, who appeared to have no connection with the vivacious forceome, all students at the University of Idaho in the town of Moscow. Well, if you weren't paying attention, then maybe that's the case, but we heard from many, many different people about the Mad Greek. We heard about Brian Coburger going to the campus at Idaho. So what was he doing? He was just hanging out for his health, or was he staking out the situation? My guess is he was checking out what the deal was and following, you know, Maddie around trying to get an idea about her life, this, that, the other thing. When people like this get obsessed, they become really, really dangerous. Brian Coburger, then 28, who had been studying criminology less than 10 miles from Moscow at Washington State University, but it was on the other side of the U.S. in Pennsylvania, where he was arrested, after he and his father Michael had driven to their family home, unaware the FBI had held them across the country. And okay, kudos to the FBI, but you don't have a tracking device you could slip into this car, send one of your little clandestine agents over, and slap one of these little devices inside the wheel well. You actually have agents following them? What is this, like the episode of the Sopranos, when they're going to try and plant the bug down in the basement? Denying he killed before Coburger has yet to go on trial, but he faces the death penalty by firing squad if lethal drugs aren't available. Well, there's always helicopters and volcanoes. Now Pulitzer Prize-nominated investigative journalist Howard Bloom claims in a new book that he can shed light on the puzzling crime. He insists that Coburger didn't come to the house on Moscow King Road that night intent on a killing spree, 1000%. Has Mr. Bloom been listening to the podcast? Remember, I was saying this when this first happened. All the way back in the day, and of course, I'm not going to sit here and tell you why I had some insider information, but when you start parsing through things and putting the pieces together, you know, there's only a few different ways you can go. Now, there's people out there that want it to be salacious. Oh, there's a drug cartel on the loose, or this, at the other thing, but none of that's logical. The most logical thing is somebody came in here, and shit went south. And that's exactly what I think occurred. Brian Coburger showed up. The intent was to do whatever it is he was going to do to Maddie, and he was going to bounce. But instead, the plans got all screwed up, and here we are. After months probing the case, he argues that Coburger intended to kill only one of the students, pretty blonde Maddie Morgan 21, and that the others were merely grim collateral damage. Bloom believes that the super shy and mentally troubled Coburger, who found connecting with women particularly difficult, encountered Maddie after visiting the vegan restaurant where she worked part-time as a waitress. Coburger is a strict vegan. Bingo, 1 million percent. Remember the people that were out here telling you that none of that was true? Oh, well, the mad Greek owner came out and treated denied it. Yeah, because that didn't behoove her or anything, right? What she wants people to know that Brian Coburger was using her restaurant as a place to scout victims, probably not good for business, and I get that 1 million percent. But the facts are the facts. And there's no other connector here. There's no other insertion point, if you will, for Brian Coburger to enter Maddie's life, none that we've seen anyway. Now, look, maybe the investigators have something we don't know about. And I always leave that headroom for the information that I'm not privy to. But the information that's available to us, it's relatively obvious, at least to me, what went down here. That's when the fascination began, says Bloom. Even if he hadn't spoken to Maddie on that occasion, he was able to keep tabs on her and her housemates through frequent posts on social media. Bloom says obsessions came easily to Coburger, whom he believes continued to follow her over many nights. It's been noted that the living areas of the student's house had large windows, overlooked by trees, from which someone could spy on them without detection. Yo, that is some Francis Dollar High type shit. In the book Red Dragon, or the movie, that's what Francis Dollar High does. Finds a little place to scope out his victims, then sets up shop. That's some terrifying shit to think about. Imagine somebody like this knucklehead out there lurking, peeping in on your daughter, following her every move? Volcanoes, helicopters, not even a question. While the roommates hosted party after party at the house on King Road, he was often watching from the shadows, writes Bloom. In his book When I Comes Calling, which comes out tomorrow, and which the metal is seen, Bloom also asks how much Coburger's parents knew, given they reportedly ignored his suspicious behavior at the time of the killings. Well, maybe he was just a weirdo, right? Everything we've heard is that Brian Coburger was a straight up weirdo. So his parents probably thought something was a miss, but with him being so weird, I can't really sit here and tell you that his parents missed the boat here. According to Bloom, Coburger's father dismissed the concerns of his psychologist daughter Melissa when she suggested her brother might be responsible for the murders. Nobody wants to believe that about their son. Sorry, I get it. I wouldn't want to believe that about my kid. 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Investigators are working on the theory that the mass killer, clad in all black, got into the three-floor student house through an unlocked sliding glass door into the kitchen on the first floor just after 4 a.m. Earlier, he three times parked his car near the house, but then driven away as Bloom believes he hesitated over going through with his plan. Very possible. There's a lot going on, I'm sharing your brain, when you're thinking about creeping in somebody's house and killing them. So yeah, I'm sure he had some back and forth going on. Although the two housemates had bedrooms on the first floor, as Bloom notes, the intruder ignored them and made a beeline for a flight of narrow stairs, up to the top floor, where Maddie, who studied marketing, slept. He went into a bedroom first and found her sharing her bed with her best friend, Kaylee Gonzalves, and Kaylee, 21, who had moved out of the house ahead of her graduation but had returned for the weekend. The killer fatally stabbed them both with a seven-inch combat knife but clumsily left the sheath tangled in Maddie's sheets. The sheath later provided investigators with crucial DNA. He then went downstairs where he ran into Ethan Chapin, who, alerted by the noise, had stepped out of his girlfriend's Anna Cernodel's bedroom, Coburger stabbed both of the 20-year-olds. Dylan Mortensen, 21, one of the housemates who survived the night, said she heard crying from Anna's room and a man's voice saying words to the effect of "It's okay, I'm going to help you." I hope that's what the hangman says to Coburger if he's guilty before he gets put to death. "It's okay, I'm going to help you," then put a bullet directly in his face. She went to her door and says the killer, whose bushy eyebrows, could be seen despite his mask, walked past her in the corridor. Unaware of the massacre that had unfolded, she returned to her bed and locked the door. And of course, this really got people going in the aftermath, right? How could this girl not know? How didn't they know that their roommates were murdered while they live in a party house? And who knows if these girls were on drugs when this was happening? Maybe they were on mushrooms, maybe they were on a trip, maybe they were hammered, and this was just part and parcel for a party. So there's a lot to break down, right? And a lot of nuance here, and honestly I don't know the real story, and I don't think anyone does yet, besides these girls and the investigators. I believe his target was Matty Mogan and her alone bloomwrights. He had no knowledge that Kaylee had returned for the weekend to show off her new car, or that he would find her in Matty's bedroom, and he only encountered Ethan after he had descended, yet once Zana overheard the encounter and spoke up, she, too, was doomed. The killer needed to escape, and they were in his way. Prosecutors have tried to establish motive, but Bloom argues that it can be found in Coburger's Turbulent History, his parents Michael, a retired maintenance worker, and Marianne, who worked with special needs children, had struggled for years with a son who lived at home until he moved to Washington State University at 28 to do his PhD. In his teens, he developed a rare and debilitating neurological condition known as visual snow syndrome, those affected sea static in their vision. And you notice there's always some excuse for these degenerates in their behavior, oh he had snow vision, oh he had this or that, sorry, no, I don't care, he's a murderer, a psychopath, and if he's found guilty, he's gonna get everything he deserves. They can also suffer tinnitus, and Coburger told fellow sufferers in an online forum that he sometimes heard demons in my head mocking me. He claimed online, he felt depersonalized, and that he could do whatever I want with little remorse, I might spiral out of control. He turned to drugs in high school and became a heroin addict. By the end of school, it seemed he had turned himself around and became a fitness fanatic. But he was still desperately shy and awkward with girls, who often found him overbearing and creepy, well, you were, okay, pretty simple, all these dudes out here that have problems with women, get some act right. Go take a shower, maybe go to the gym a little bit, learn how to talk to people like human beings and not objects, and maybe just maybe you won't be single your whole ass life. Later female students in his criminology department complained to staff that he made them feel uncomfortable. In fact, Coburger's academic superiors had sacked him as a teaching assistant amid growing concern about his offensive behavior towards women at his university. While Coburger reportedly followed both Maddie and her look-alike best friend Kaylee on Instagram, he seemed more interested in Maddie liking all of her photos, and that's another thing. His interactions with Maddie on social media led me to believe that Madison was his target, and I think those pieces are all coming together now, and we're getting a much clearer picture of what went down or possibly went down. Some believe the killer may have seen a TikTok video posted by the housemates, which mapped out where each one of them slept in the house. Bloom, who has been privy to at least some theories of the investigators, speculates, did the killer hate the victims, hate to weigh their images marched through his mind, and love himself so excessively that he had no choice but to rid the world of their rebuking presence. Okay, that's a little much. I think that's going a little bit too deep, and chances are, bro just got obsessed and did what he did. Something deeper than that, well, I'll leave that to psychologists. After insisting his father came out to Washington so they could drive to the family home in Pennsylvania, Kohlberger allegedly tried to cover his tracks. His sister, psychologist Melissa, grew suspicious when she saw him on surgical gloves to vacuum his car, separate his personal rubbish into ziplock bags, and sneak out into the night to put their family rubbish in neighbor's bins. People once shared increasingly certain deduction with her father after a long agonized silence, he walked away, says Bloom, again, nobody wants to believe this of their child, I'm sorry. I would need overwhelming evidence to believe that this was my kid and he was capable of doing it, so I understand Kohlberger's pops. The evidence against Kohlberger, including his mobile phone's movement, CCTV footage, of his car, DNA, a receipt for a knife purchase, and his suspicious disposal of rubbish, is compelling. Yet the defense insists there is no connection between their client and the victims. Bloom admits much of his theorizing is speculative, but if Kohlberger remains silent and continues to deny everything, it might be as close as we'll come to understanding what happened that night. And I think that's pretty logical honestly. And from where I'm sitting, all of that sounds like the real story here, but like everything else with this case, we won't know until things get cracking, and hopefully we'll be moving in that direction after Kohlberger has his hearing this week. So we'll keep an eye on things like usual, and when we have more information, we'll get it added to the catalog. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. Ryan Seacrest here. When you have a busy schedule, it's important to maximize your downtime. One of the best ways to do that is by going to Chumbukasino.com. 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