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I told you to be on your toes for this one. - I was on my toes, I wasn't expecting you to come out with a hard one. - Well, you weren't on your toes then. Hello, everyone. We are here at the game dayman self podcast studio for the Nashville Fit Magazine podcast. Once again, I am here. My name is Sav Savannah Hill. If you must know my whole name and I am here with the Jarrell web because you can't say it any other way at this point. - I just feel like you just wanted us to remind us that you went to Berkeley. We know that she's taking my singing. She was like, you know, put me in C. Before I didn't know what that meant when she told Trent, put me in C minor real quick and then she just jumped out and started singing. It was just her way of letting us know. - And everyone knows how that goes. - Sav, I have a question for you. - See, even Trent, it's darn nice. - Would you have been in like, what's the name of it? - No. - Like, Pitch Perfect. Would you have been in one of those acapella groups? - No. - No? - No? - No? - No? - I believe Sav would have been like the beat person. Like, you know the person who lays the beat down? Yeah, Sav. (laughing) It's like, sings that she jumps in and out. Like, and then Sav jumps in with a quick eight bars around. Like, she does the rolling the rap part. - Well, at least I get the coolest part. (laughing) (laughing) - Clattered, I think. No, no, I wasn't choir in middle school and I was an alto, but that's like, I feel like a lot of kids were in choir in middle school. You were probably, it was either band or choir or all sports. - So I like playing band, yeah. - You were in band? What did you play? - The trumpet. - Okay. - So I played the, the crazy things I played the trumpet and band, but I actually played the drums in real life. - Let's go, Drell, hidden talents. Do you still play? - I'm here and there, I still can play, but like, I don't play frequently. - That's awesome. - Yeah. - I wanna hear you play. - Yeah, let's go. You gotta sit. - What kind of music do you like to play? - So I grew up playing church music. - Let's go. - So it was like playing the church. - Ooh. - Ooh, you got gospel chops? - I have gospel, I guess. - Mm. - Yeah, gospel chops. - Berkeley, there were some drummers with some crazy gospel chops. It blew my mind. Those drummers are probably the best drummers on earth. - You think? - Oh yeah. - 'Cause I was gonna say-- - They get all the best gigs too. - I was gonna say heavy metal drummers. - They? - Some of them play gospel chops. - Yes, 'cause I think it's true, 'cause they, if you're playing that fast, like so now it's gonna be super easy. Like, if you're able to do fills and everything that, like at that speed. - Yeah. I 1,000 percent agree. - Yeah, that's why I was gonna say, yeah. - Yeah. - Heavy metals. - We're speech, bro. - Which is why Travis is so like, - Yeah. - Such a good drummer. - Wow, I'm glad we had this conversation. - Please, surprise you, are you on your toes now? - We have something about you all the time. - All right, well, we are gonna get into our episode here with our friend Matt. But before we do that, Matt, we always play this game called Basket of Debate. And today our Basket of Debate is brought to you by Gracie Record Coaching. So thank you Gracie Record Coaching. And again, we are here at the game Dave Men's Health podcast studio. Wanna make that clear? We are just very, very grateful for our sponsors. So the Basket of Debate is we pass around this basket. And we each grab a little piece of paper that has a topic of debate. And we debate it, it's that simple. Sometimes it's fitness related, sometimes it's not. Sometimes we all agree. Sometimes we all disagree. So don't be afraid to disagree. Don't be afraid to speak your mind because this is the same. - So I'm freestyling my Basket of Debate question. - Okay. Terry, our producer with the gorgeous beard offline. So he told me it was okay. So I mean, but I'm interested to see what you guys have to say. And I think you and I probably will be on the opposite ends. - Okay. - But that's why I wanna ask. - Okay. - But go ahead. - I'm about it. We should say that one for last. That'll be interesting. Okay. Mine says, is it better to do full body workouts or split routines? I like this question. - That's good. - This one doesn't have like an obvious like, you know, this one's dumb and this one's not dumb for me. - What's your answer? - My answer is both. I think it just depends on what season you're in and like what your goals are. I've done both. I love a split routine. And if you're listening and you don't know what a split routine is, it's a body part split. Usually bodybuilders prefer a split routine like glutes and hammies day or back in buys kind of day. I've definitely done that a lot in my training. Got a lot of new be gains from a split routine. But now, and for the past like couple of years, it's been full body, which is I believe a great way to train beginners, but also a great way to train time efficiency wise. You're working compound movements, which I think are a little bit more functional. But yeah, I think there's mad benefits to both. I don't have a preference really. I just think it depends on you and what time of your life and your training you're in and what you need and what your goals are. What do you think? - I wish I could disagree with you, but I actually completely agree with you. - Cool, love it. - So I started with a split when I first started working out. And I agree with you, I think it's great for new be gains. It's also great. I think if you have a lot of time and you want to do a lot of volume, what I think is great about full body is I feel like you can do two days a week, three days a week, a lot easier. And then if you miss a workout, it's okay because it's not like I missed out on biceps this week. - Right. - You know what I mean? - Sorry, I did so much gluten hammies and I didn't do any upper body. - Exactly. - Yeah. - Yeah, it's a lot more forgiving. I think if you miss needs to get back on that track. - Yeah, I agree. - So I'm gonna say both, but not both in the sense of like you should like do both at the same time, but both in the sense that you should mix it. - I like that. - So I grew up in an athletic atmosphere. And so in like sports training, it's all full body, but it's full body with an emphasis. - Sure. - So today may be leg day and then at the end it may be pull ups back. It may, so if we're doing like, maybe a poster of your day, right? So maybe do heavy squats, hamstrings, heavy pull ups, rows, like all your, your back and then you may have a front day, then you may have a push day. But it's all the muscles at the, so it's still a full body, but it's full body with emphasis. - I like that. - We hit a heavy legs. We're probably gonna finish with some heavy upper, whatever that looks like or heavy upper. And then we may finish with like some heavy lunges or deadlifts or whatever. Like I don't, like I deadlift on my upper body day. I don't deadlift on my leg day. - Do you put the beginning of the workout to the end or both? - The beginning. - Okay. - So like if it's leg day, then we're like, it's gonna be all legs up front and then we may finish with the pulling or whatever. - I like that. - So the same thing like I said with-- - It's like you could do lower pull upper push and that's still full body, but there's like, you could put more emphasis on one or the other. Yeah. - Yeah, so you're still killing your legs. You're just hitting everything 'cause, 'cause the goal like with sports training be strong everywhere. Where I believe splits is strictly aesthetics. That's training for aesthetics, so. - And mixing both can, you know. - It's more important. - Sort of work both. I definitely, what was I doing for a long time? It was a split, but then I would finish with like full body like finishers. - Yeah. - So kind of the opposite of what you're saying maybe, or maybe it was the same, but yeah. - Just like being set of each or something. - Well, I would do like a leg day, right? And then like really hammer legs. Like, and I actually even like really did a hard split where it was like really, really split. I did like glute focus day, quad focus day. Like anterior legs posteriorly. You know, like really split things up, but like it would be a leg day. And then I would finish with like a kettle ball complex. It was like full body. And now I still do that, but it's more full body everything. Like right now, specifically I'm doing push, full body, and pull, full body. And like, it's just kind of like what my brain needs right now. Which is the point I wanna make before we move on is like, I think everybody goes through seasons. So if you're like, oh, what is the right routine for me? There's a million ways you can work out. You know, you have to like, I do believe consistency is something that's important. So once you find something that works for you, stick with it for a while and watch that benefit you and how that helps you progress. But you might fall out of that like in a few months and that's okay, like change it up if you need to. - Yeah, I think there's a lot of value in both of them, depending on what you're doing now. - Right. - So if you've been doing full body routines for the last three years, maybe you should try something different to get your body adapts to the new. - Right, yeah, exactly. Like, that's when you know it's like, you're hitting a plateau and it's like, I'm not strong anymore. I can't get past this, whatever I'm trying to do or I'm not losing anymore weight. Like, that's maybe a sign to change it up. Yeah. - Matt, your question? - All right, I'm up. Is it better to work out in the morning or the evening? - Whenever you can do it, it doesn't matter. I don't care, just do it. - I don't think there's a, if you're wording it, what's better, I agree. But like, what I prefer, what's that prefers? - What do you prefer? - I mean, again, it's another like, what works for you, you know? Like, where can you fit into that? - If you, free day, like, if your life was wide open, when would you work out? - Probably like mid-morning. - I'm a mid-morning. - Yeah, because at that point, in the morning, my joints are very stiff. I haven't moved around and I just got out of bed and so I have to warm up a little bit longer and I'm also tired. So it's really not ideal, like, but usually most days is when I'm working out because it's where it fits. And then I feel good. The benefit of working out in the morning is my brain is like, let's go the rest of the day. But afternoon is when my joints are like lubricated a little bit, I've been walking around, my brain's on a little bit more and I'm like, ready to go. - Yeah, like for me, it's, you know, what do I prefer and what is better for everyone? I think just like you guys agree, like the best time to work out is what the one you're gonna do consistently. - Yeah. - Right? So if someone tells you working out in the morning, it's better for burning fat and you force yourself to do that even though you hate it, you're not gonna stick with that and that's gonna be the bad workout for me. For me personally, you five AM people and that's not you, but like, I don't know how they do that. Like, when I, if my alarm went off at five AM, I would just punch it. - I tried to be that person at one point in my life. - Yeah, I'm supposed to get up early and work out, but like, I have no energy for that. And it's times where it's had to be that way. - Oh, I hate it. - Yeah, so I'm an afternoon workout guy, like four or five o'clock. - Really? - I hate, I hate, like evening afternoon workouts. - I love the gym is, but. - But even like, if I had a wide, I'd have my own gym. - Yeah. - Like, I would work out at five in the morning. - Yeah. - See, I feel like-- - Like, I have this energy from lunch and then I'm really-- - There is something about getting it done. - Yeah, it's a mental thing, like, you don't wanna be there until you're there and then once you're in it, like, I'm not gonna lie, I feel better than the rest of you people. If I've worked out at five and it's 730-- - And I'm right. - And if I was walking in, I'm like, "Wait a minute, I was literally hurt." - And I'm just starting my day. - Right, but, and that's the best part of, like, if you're gonna work out that early, you've already gotten it done. And it's still like, it's like, what, six, six, 30, by the time you're done, your day just started. - That is true. - It's awesome. - And it does boost your energy. - And it's like-- - I still hate it though. - If you have kids, it's the best. If you have kids, five a.m. is when you need to work out, I think. - That makes a lot of sense. - It's crazy to, like, there are some people that are actually stronger in the morning, like, first thing in the morning, they're later in the day. - Well, your testosterone's higher. - Yeah, my buddy Josh, he's like, I literally can lift more weight every time I go in the morning than when I go in the afternoon. - Yep. - Did you know that your dominant side, by the end of the day, can be more depleted? So, like, you know how, like, you probably feel, like, stronger on your dominant side, like, right side, bicep curls are probably, like, you got a couple more reps in there. In the afternoon, that can flip-flop. Not always, but for some people, because you've been using your dominant side all day, like, you've been driving, riding, like, just kind of subconsciously, right. And then, by the end of the day, you're like, whoa, why is my left side feel stronger? It's happened to my clients before, and they're like, what's happening? Normally, so, week on this side, and I'm like, oh, it's, you know, five in the afternoon. You might be-- - Makes sense. - And then, they're like, wow. And then, they don't care. But, I think it's interesting. - Okay, it sounds like you don't wanna talk more about it? Like, no, okay. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no. - That's a really wanting to get to know this thing. - I see what I'll take. So, I got a freestyle question, okay? - Okay, let's go. - So, I'm very interested to hear what you guys have to say. So, I'm gonna pose the question, you tell me what you think, okay? If you work out long enough, long enough as in, like, years or months or whatever, that's what I mean by long enough, not, like, hour a day. But, if you work out for long enough, you will eventually get hurt. (sighs) - I think it's probably inevitable. - Like, hours in the day? - No, like, if you've worked a long period of time, like, you've been-- - Without a rest day. - You've been working, no. You've been working out for how many years? When'd you start actually working out? - I haven't counted that. - Like, five years or whatever, like, so, if you work out for-- - A lot more than that, thank you. - I've been working out since, like, I'm just, I don't know, I'm just throwing numbers out. I've been working out since high school. - Okay. - All right. However long you've been working out, you've been working out however long, like, since you're-- - You seem like 12 years. - Album cover at Berkeley or whatever, right? - I wasn't really working out very much there. (laughing) - You definitely have a longer-- (laughing) - Sing out forever. - Long enough, you will get hurt. (laughing) - Actually, mm. - So, that's my question. So, for long enough, like, rest days, everything. Like, if you incorporate fitness into your lifestyle, you will eventually get hurt. - I think it is inevitable. - I think it's really hard to say it's not. I mean, I'm trying to think of a scenario in which you wouldn't, and really everything in life, not everything, but life is full of risks. And I feel like they say this a lot with financially, like, you have to take risks in the stock market, but I really think that's true of life, you know? And if you're not doing that, then you're not learning, you're not growing. And I think when it comes to working out and fitness, you know, like the first time you pick up a weight, you know, it's a little mini risk, you know, you could drop it on your foot and people joke all the time about, you're gonna drop kettlebells on your face, and I'm like, it's happened. And it's okay, I'm okay, you know? If I die by kettlebells, that's my fault, and, you know, at least I was having fun, you know? But like, yeah, I think you get hurt, and whether that's like a major injury, or a minor, like, you know, tweak or something like that, I do think. - Terry, what do you say? Speak up, we can't hear you. - I have a button, though. - I've been working out since... - 2001, I've never been injured from work. - You've never been injured? - Not from work. - What have you been injured from? - I fell out of the building. - Why were you, never mind, Terry? I don't know if you can talk about that, though. - There's a risk. - Nobody can talk about that, though. - I think there's more risk to not working out, because, yeah, I think you can get far more injured, sick, and just miserably in pain by not moving, versus moving your body. - So not sick, but injury-wise. - Injured, yes. - I think you can get back pain. - Oh, sure. Like, moving less is very protective. - Yes, but in general, yeah. - But in order to build muscle, you have to take that risk. - Sure, but I would say that the benefits definitely outweigh the risk. - 100%, 100%. I just think it's inevitable. At some point, you're probably gonna get hurt. - Yeah, and sometimes it derails people and then they stop. - Right. - But I think the process of going through and getting through an injury and working back through it, teaches you something as well. - That's what I was gonna say, is like my injuries, I don't regret them. - Yeah. - I've learned, every time that I've injured myself, I've learned from it, and I can help other people be like, "Don't do this, 'cause this happened to me," and I wouldn't have known another one. - And every time I've had a client come to me with pain or injury, it's been like, "Ooh, this is a fun challenge," and I'm not always alone equipped to figure it out, which is why I recruit help, you know, other professionals. I'm like, "Hey, there's a PT I want you to see. "I know him, we can talk about it," and it literally just happened with my client. She's feeling back pain. Like, I feel like I know it's wrong, but I want you to get a second opinion because I work with this person and we can work together to help you, and I learn, and we learn from each other. So, yeah, I think injuries just, I always hated when I was reading textbooks where they're like, "You can prevent injury if you," and I spurted that out all the time when I was first starting out. I was like, "We're gonna prevent your injury with this." And then, of course, you can't prevent injuries with exercise because I don't care how strong you are, like, you can still hit by a car and die, you know? - 100%, yeah. Well, clearly not, 'cause you hit by a car and then you didn't die, so-- - Well, but I was lucky, I don't think they heard the conversations we were having before. - We were talking, and she was like, "We're like, "What?" - Everyone knows I was hit by a car. I'm okay, it's happened a while ago, and the car was going very slow. - Yes. - Anyways. - Her mobility saved her life. So, because I probably would have got, my leg would be gone, 'cause I can't put my leg over my head. - My leg would win over and live with the hood of the car. - Anyway, let's jump into Matt and Matt's story. We don't want to just keep you here. - Yeah, man. - We're talking about all of our random-- - Opinions, armpits. - Random opinions and facts and things like that, man. Why don't you, for those that don't know who you are, tell us a little bit about yourself. - So, my name is Matt Barnett. I'm one of those people that got found, fitness much later in life. So, how old do you think I am? - I'm not. Go answer that, man. - I think you're a ripe 28. - So, let's go get you with David Lauren. (laughing) - So, I'm 45 years old. - Okay. - Matt, you thought you were trying to set me up to have? How old are you bigger, man? - So, I'm like 50, 52? I don't know, like-- - 'Cause I'm a sweet angel, baby. (laughing) - So, yeah, I didn't find fitness until my late 30s. I was 38 and I was, it was pretty sad. Like, you know, I had, I had like zero muscle tone. I was probably 35, 40 pounds overweight. I had two kids, I didn't have a lot of energy. And I think I just kind of bought into the idea that, you know, it's, I'm this old, there's no chance of me getting in shape in the future. And I didn't really know what to do because I thought that getting in shape meant ridiculous amounts of work. And like, horrible diet regimens. And that kind of thing. I remember, so I was, I was 38 and my buddy, Johannes, so it's his name. And super cool dude, I used to work with him. He moved down to Florida and I was checking out his Instagram and I'm like, whoa, dude got jacked. He looks amazing. Like, you know, biceps and like rippling abs. I'm like, he's about my age. I wonder what he's doing. So, I reach out to him. I'm like, dude, what are you doing? I'm like, I want to look like you. And so I got this, I'll read to you what he wrote me. 'Cause this is the moment where I was totally deflated. So he said, okay, here's what you're gonna do. Diet, most important. You need to be consistent every day. No exceptions, no days off. Breakfast, seven strawberries, two bananas and eight ounces of water every day. Lunch, two boiled chicken breasts with one potato, no oils of any kind. Dinner, boiled chicken breasts. Again, no oils of any kind. You can use some hot sauce for flavor. Okay, workouts, Monday, back, shrugs, biceps, Tuesday, chest, shoulders, triceps, Wednesday, legs and abs. Thursday, same as Monday, Friday, same as Tuesday, Saturday, same as Wednesday. Okay, running. You're going to be running at least three miles every time. Run days are Monday, Wednesday and Friday. And I'm reading through this and I was just like. That is so overwhelming. When you just says, that's really, yeah. Working out for a watch, you know what I want to tell you? I don't know what, is Johannes. I don't know what he looks like, but he's on steroids. (laughing) That's what. So this is before I do that. So that means every big guy at the gym that you ask, how do you get big? They say, it's chicken breasts, bro. - Clearly. - Chicken breasts and broccoli. How do you get so much? Chicken breasts and broccoli, bro. I'm telling you. He's not a coach. I don't know your, I don't know your, Johannes, if you're watching this. You ask me, as a coach, I would have started way smaller than that. You can't, like, that's the thing is, that's why it's intimidating to so many people. I don't care how old you are. Like, it's intimidating to get started when that is, okay, here's what you're gonna do. - But in my brain, like, that's the only thing that you can do, 'cause here's the thing. - Did you try it? - No. I didn't even try. - I didn't even try. - I was just like deflated. - I can't. - I was just like, so that's, I'm in the gym for two and a half hours, six days a week, and I'm eating, like, absolute, like horrible. And I just gave up. - Were you overweight? - I wasn't, like, obese, but I was, I mean, like, so, I'm five, eight, and I was, like, 185 pounds. - Okay. - With zero muscle 10. So, yeah, it was like the classic dad bod count. - Yeah. - Mm-hmm. - Like, that's, that's almost, like, my six and a pound life type routine. Like, that's, you know what I mean? Like, if someone was really, really obese, I would probably send them something similar to that. - Not putting, that's, if you weren't that big, then, like, I'm not trying to save your life, or I'm not trying to, like, get you down as quick as possible, then I don't really, I would never send you. - Yeah, if it's not, like, an emergency, like, I'm gonna be like, let's focus on one change that you can make for sure at a time, you know? - Stop frying chicken in bed, Matt. That would be great. - Yeah. - Yeah, like, we're drinking water. - It's only broiled. - Yeah, no. - Stop drinking soda is a big one. Like, if you can cut out soda and alcohol and replace it with water, you can probably lose-- - I had a client do that and she lost 15 pounds, just by, she stopped drinking. - Just that, yep, crazy, right? - Stop drinking. - Yeah. And this is me coming off decades of, like, trying to do all the fad diets. So, like, when I was 20, I did, like, super low fat. - You've literally tried it all. I originally, yeah, that's crazy. - I've done everything, guys. So, like, I remember eating the same type of thing, like, chicken breast, broccoli, low fat, yogurt, like, all that, and that lasted for three months 'cause I hated it. And then I did Atkins. Y'all remember Atkins? - Oh, yeah. - Yup. - Can I still sell some Atkins stuff? - Well, here's the thing, it works. And I was hard, like, hardcore. And to the point, so I've been married for a long time, too. And I tried to get my wife to join me on my crazy diets that I went on. And she got so annoyed at the Atkins after, like, three, four months, she would get a box of Krispy Kreme's and just, like, eat the whole box and not tell me about it 'cause she was like, "You're crazy." But the thing is, is like, I couldn't keep that up, right? So, and I gained all the weight back. And then I did paleo, the whole 30 thing. And I never had any success with it. And I would go through different spasts of running, you know, around a couple half-marathons. When, you know, I'd run, you know, 12 or 13 miles a week kind of thing. I'm thinking that's the way I was gonna get in shape and that I would only ever do that for maybe a month or two. And then I would give up 'cause I-- - Same with the diets, like, about a month? - Same with the diets, yeah, 'cause it's like, the mindset that I had back then was this is, I have to do this to get thin and then I can go back to eating the way I wanted to. - Right. - So it was, my mindset was completely wrong. So anyways, so back in 2017, I came across an Instagram influencer that kind of like totally changed my mindset. - For the better? - For the better, yeah. - Good, love that kind of influencer. - I'm actually kind of embarrassed to tell, to say who it was 'cause he's kind of smarmy and a little cringe. - It's okay, we all have our-- - Y'all heard of Kino body, Greg O' Gallagher? - No. - I have not, no. - Okay, good, well, I'm glad you didn't. So-- - Hey, if he helped you, he helped you, you know? - He did, I mean, he's-- - Yeah, he's like a marketing mission. He does the whole lifestyle, like he's got Lamborghini and a mansion and all this kind of stuff, rippling six pack abs. But his whole thing was enjoy life, eat all your favorite foods and only work out a few times a week. And I was like, oh, I could do that. - Expand on that. - So his plan was intermittent fasting, to help with satiety, yep, go figure. And that's back when it was just starting to kind of take off, I mean, this is like seven, eight years ago. And track your macros, hit your protein, hit your calorie deficit and lift strength train three days a week and walk, that was it. And that was something that I could actually do. And I was like, okay, I think this is something that I could actually do like permanently. Like this sounds really enjoyable. So I'm like, I'm just gonna do it and I'm not gonna tell anyone I'm doing it. So including my wife, I didn't tell her that I was doing anything. So I started tracking my food, started hitting my protein and just lifting three days a week. And yeah, I lost 30 pounds in like three months. - Nice. Were you on a full body or a split? - That time it was a split. - Nice. What was the split? Three days a week. - Oh, let me tell you I remember exactly. I think it was, it was like chest and shoulders on Monday. It was legs on Wednesday and back and biceps on. - So it was like a push pull legs kind of thing. - Okay. - So I have a question for you. Do you still fast? You're still doing intermittent fasting? - Great question. So I don't think intermittent fasting now is anything but a tool to help with satiety. I think there's a lot of people that purport it to have all these crazy amounts of benefits. - It's good. - It's gonna cure your cancer. It's gonna, you know, speed over metabolism and it's gonna do all this stuff. - It's gonna give you abs. - Yeah, right. For me, I do intermittent fast but only when I'm on a cut, right? So if I'm trying to eat at a lower calorie, I find that I normally don't get that hungry until lunch anyways. So yeah, I'll fast when I'm trying to lose weight just 'cause it makes it easier to get all my calories in for lunch or for dinner. But any other time, no, 'cause then I, you know, especially when I'm bulking, oh my gosh, there's no way I'm gonna get all that food in in two meals. - Yeah. - Okay. - Yeah. - 'Cause that, I was just curious question. Do you think intermittent fasting works? Is that what you're giving your weight loss credit to? Or? - I think it helped me stick to it. I mean, the only reason that I lost weight 'cause I was in the calorie deficit. - Right. - But I think it helped me achieve that calorie deficit without being hungry. - But if you track your macros and your food throughout the day, breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks the same way, just in a different order, do you think you achieve the same goals? - I probably would have. But for me, the mental component of knowing that I could have a huge dinner and just like a relatively large lunch and still be in a deficit, it's just I think it made it easier for me mentally. - Gotcha. - Yeah. I don't think I really saw any benefits from fasting besides that. And I know like there's tons of research out there that shows that it's probably more optimal for muscle growth to not fast, right? - Mm-hmm. - Throughout the day. - For me, it was just easier. You'd have to think about it. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I think you do whatever works for you, whatever easiest for you. Like I have clients who they start their day in meetings. And so I have them doing intermittent fasting. Like I'm not a huge proponent of it, but I feel like what works for you works for you. And so everybody's lifestyle is different. So if you start off eight, 30, you're in meetings until 12, then what are we talking about, right? 'Cause you're not gonna eat and then you gotta have a huge lunch 'cause you're starving. So if we can set up kind of like what you're saying, we set up the back end of your day where you have a little more control for you to get your meals in, then that's what we're gonna do. So you're not gonna eat until 12, right? And then at 12, you have whatever that lunch is and then we'll get your 1500 calories or 70, whatever your number is, in between 12 and seven or 12 and eight. And then we'll just keep repeating that. Until you feel like you can get a grasp of your day, but majority of the people that I have intermittent fasting are high level people. And that's because their day just goes different than most. - Yeah, plus it was easier to just have coffee in the morning. It's so easy to not have to worry about breakfast. But ultimately, I think that the way of eating, I hate to say diet, like just the way-- - No, it's not the wrong with diet, yeah. - If you're gonna dial that in and be successful, it has to be something that you really enjoy and that you can do with the rest of your life. - Right, so I'm just-- - What do you guys think about people? Okay, 'cause I've run into this with female clients quite a bit who approach me with wanting to lose body fat and they might have somewhat of a strength training routine, but it's not very consistent. They don't know exactly what to do, so they're coming to me for help. And what I typically find after I have them logged for about a week is that they're eating such little calories. And my indication as to why they're having issues is because they're not eating enough. They're not prioritizing protein. They're in a caloric deficit and everybody preaches that and I do think that that works. But I also think it depends on who you are. And the caloric deficit needs to match your lifestyle and match how much energy you're expending with the rest of your day. So I've had clients struggle with me telling them to eat more food. And I try not to have them like right off the back, go, "Okay, we're gonna eat us so much protein." You know, that it's gonna be really hard to stomach. I started out to where they can gradually eat a little bit more, but that process is so counterintuitive to them because they've heard, "I need to be in a calorie deficit. "I need to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. "I need to be in it like." So what do you guys, what is your opinion on that? When it comes to females and not eating enough? - Yeah, I think the person that you were talking to, people like that, like if they're already super low calorie, the last thing you need to do is cut more. - That's what I'm saying. - Yeah, especially, so it sounds to me like the best thing for them to do is to reverse out of that and build some muscle. - That is a term, by the way, reverse dieting. - Yeah, 'cause so like if they're... - I've lost weight doing that. - If they're plateaued and they're eating, you know, 13, 1400 calories a day, their metabolism is tanked at that point, 'cause that's really low calories. - Right, and your metabolism, when it's tanked, we all know that's not really conducive to weight loss. - No, and it's not good for you. Your body's in a survival mode at that point. - I just wanted to make the point because I think people might listen and be like, "Oh, well this guy had a caloric deficit in the work form, "and I should try maybe intermittent fasting." And maybe so, maybe so. But like, you should maybe take a look at what you're currently doing. The funny thing is if you looked at what I was eating before I started this, I was probably 3,000 calories. - And that's literally what I was about to say, like... - It was not the person that was dieting and helping. - Right, and that's why you need it. - And that's why it worked for me. - Exactly, exactly. - Yeah, you can't deficit a deficit. And so, I always, like I love to explain calories like money, right? And so like, everyone has a budget, your body has a budget, we just call it a BRBMR, right? So if, you know, for those that don't know, like if you don't, whatever it takes you just to stay alive, like I'm about 1,500 calories. By laying in the bed, it's just for my body to keep functioning, right? 1,500 calories, that's my baseline, right? And so when I explain to people about money, it's like the more money you have coming in, usually, like if Terry said, "Hey guys, we just got this big endorsement deal, "we're gonna give you guys $10,000 bonus," right? - Love it, thank you. - You're spending, no pressure. - You're sitting right there sat in your mind, you're spending already, right? You're like, "I don't know exactly where that $10 is going," right? Versus if Terry came in and said, "Hey guys, "we lost our core sponsors, "so we're gonna take some budget cuts," right? Then that means everything you're about, we're gonna start holding on to everything, hatred. We gotta make sure, you know, can we do a two-for-one or something like that, right? We start holding on to it, that's what your body does. When you're, when you're not getting enough calories, your body's not gonna lose more weight, it's gonna hold on to that weight 'cause your body's big account is fat. So it stores those calories, I don't know when SAB is gonna eat again, and she's running around here eating, flipping kettlebells and training people, and getting hit by bikes, and all these other things, right? Getting hit on her bike, all these other things. And then she's just like drinking coffee all day and not eating anything, but she wants her body to look muscular, it's not gonna happen, you gotta eat. And that's how I usually tell people, you gotta eat 'cause you're asking your body to do something, but you're not feeding it in the way for it to do that, right? You're coming to me every day. - That's not just building muscle. Like, we all talk about toning, you know? - Which means just building muscle. - Exactly, exactly. People go like, but I don't wanna bulk up, and I don't wanna look all muscle. You know, like, you want bulk up. Like, your toning is literally building muscle and losing body fat around that. Like, it's making the muscle more visible, and it's not just losing body fat, you have to grow your muscles in order to do that, you know? So you might as well be straight training and eating. - Yeah, I had a consultation with a guy two weeks ago that he used that, and this was a guy. I just wanna like, look, toned. I just wanna tone my muscle. - Yeah. - And I was like-- - And that's when they go, "Give me the five pound weights for 25 steps." And I'm like, "Mowel!" - So to get the tone look that you want, you need to live every way. - Yeah. - You can maybe accomplish it with, like, you know, I've seen some great arms for a lot of, you know? - Like, yeah, like, there's no such thing. - It's a dream fun to work out. - Yeah. - The thing of a tone is low body fat with muscle. - Yeah. - Mm-hmm. - Yeah, I get the especially from women. I don't wanna look like you. You're safe. - Right. - Yes. - You're safe. - Do you know how much effort it takes? - Do you know how hard I wanna look like me? No, how hard I work to look like me? Like, you just not like, I don't do this for a week. You guys don't know who I am, right? Like, it's like, bro, like, you're not, like, unless you're trying to tell me something right now? - Yeah. - Right? But you just don't have what it takes chemically, like, hormonally to look like me. So you're good. You're safe. So tell me, I wanna look like you and then tell me who I look like and then I'm offended. - You're like, I don't look like that. So I was like, oh, the nerves. - So, like, I'm gonna look like you. You look like, and like, I'm like, oh, thanks. - Do you remember? - Oh, wait, who? Ew. - You're gonna be like, I don't look like you. - I don't look like that. - I'm not that skinny. Come on. (laughing) I have a butt. - I have a butt. (laughing) - I know I'm sitting down right now. Look, just stand up. I was, you're right now. (laughing) - Oh, you're right. I see, like, when you're in super low calorie, the things that your body will do to hang on to that weight. Like, part of, like, energy balance, like, is something called neat. You've heard of that? - Mm-hmm. - Non-exercise activity different times. - Yeah. - And so, just like random movements, as you know, you should be moving your hand, your fidgeting, your bobbin, your leg or whatever. And your body will even, like, you won't even realize it, but you'll be way less active. - Yeah, you'll start shuddin' now. - Yeah, like, your hand gestures will slow down. You won't get up from the couch as much. Like, you won't, you know, tap your foot as much. And you don't even realize that your body's doing this to try to hold on to the fat because you're in such a little calorie. - Yeah, and the truth is, like, if you're being honest, you can't do both, right? You can't be the deficit and build muscle at the same time, right? - That's so true, too. - So, you have to figure out, man. - I am constantly writing that line. - Right, you have to figure out what you want. And that's what I always ask my clients, what do you want? 'Cause if you want to lose weight right now, that means we're not getting stronger, we're not building muscle. We can do that as well. But if you want to be toned, we're gonna have to freakin' eat, right? 'Cause that's what it takes for your body to build. - And it's so counterintuitive to women, especially, because they're like, "I don't want me to eat more, "but I'm fat, I feel fat, I feel bloated." And I'm like, "I get it, dude, I totally get it," because it does feel weird to, like, stuff yourself. At first, it feels like you're stuffing yourself because your stomach is a certain size and it literally does grow when you start eating more food. And that takes an adjustment period. But once you get past that and once you, like, if you just stop freaking getting on the scale every freaking day, like, "I want to use a stronger word." - Terry won't let us. - You're welcome, PG-13, okay? I keep it real. - That's awesome. - Respect. (both laughing) Yeah, no, but seriously, getting on the scale every day is exactly why you're not losing weight, why you stay in that space because this also matters. Your brain, like, what you are thinking about, your body does listen to that, and I know that sounds so cliched to some people, but you're probably one of those people out there struggling to lose weight because you're looking at the scale every day and you're like, "It just won't go down, "it just won't go down, I'm always in this range, "I'm always in like, well, because you're hyper fixating "on your weight when there's so much "that goes into your weight. "If you ever do a body scan, it tells you a lot more "about what that number actually contains in it. "You got water weight, you have visceral fat, "you have, you know, like, so many things go into that, "that like, if you saw that breakdown, "you might feel a little bit better about going up in weight "while you're trying to gain muscle, "and while you're trying to like, "change your body composition "and what you're looking like, the toning "that you're trying to accomplish, "if you just stop looking at the scale every day, "and you trust your coach, or you trust the process, "and you trust like, okay, like, "this is what I know to be true about science, "which is what we're talking about here, "like, Drell and I wouldn't be doing what we do, "we all wouldn't be doing what we do for a living, "if there wasn't science-backed facts behind this stuff, "you know, it's like-- - Yeah, if you put on five pounds "on the scale, and that five pounds is muscle, "you are actually at a smaller body fat percentage "than you were, right? "Exactly, your pants might fit a little bit better. "You actually got thinner, and you gain five pounds. "People can't wrap their brain around that." - Exactly, yeah, it is wild, which is why, as a coach, we have to be empathetic to that, you know, and it's like, but it's also very frustrating, some parts. - Yeah, so I started working with somebody two months ago, and they wanted to, you know, lose fat and muscle, and they really hadn't lifted anything for, like, 10 years. I was like, "Here's what we're gonna do. "We're gonna not cut your food at all, right? "And we're just gonna strength-train "for about two or three months, and get your lifts up, "and get your strength up, and then we're gonna start down "the nutrition, the calories down just a little bit." They looked me like, "Wait, you don't want me to eat less?" Like, no, I want you to hit your protein, but keep eating what you're eating at now, and maintaining your weight will get you stronger, and then when we turn the switch to put the calories down, it's gonna, the fat's gonna fall off. - Oh, I can't wait for that, 'cause if he hasn't lifted anything in a while-- - Yeah, that is the one happening real fast, yeah. - Oh my gosh, those newbie gains, I missed those. (laughing) - Yeah, the thing I want to touch on, especially with women and things that I preach most, you have, you really have like a two-day window to get your actual weight. Like, that's, I tell my women this all the time, like my clients, not my women. Wife, I know this is the case, I'm talking my clients. I tell my women these all, no. (laughing) Like, the women that I train, I tell them, like, I preach this all the time when we're talking about like, winning yourself. You really have like a one-to-a window to get to get your real weight, right? - The accurate, yeah. - The accurate, your accurate weight. You're either on your cycle, come and offer your cycle, or about to go into a cycle. And your body fluctuates with all of that, whether it's retaining water, whether it's getting rid of water. So where you at, what you actually weight, you have really, I gotta figure out where you are. Like, what's happening right now with your body, all right? Are we, like, before I do my first weigh-in, I'll ask, are you on your cycle right now? Yes or no? That's gonna give me a four to five pound difference, probably. Don't worry about, we'll wait until next week and we'll wait then. That'll put me in a general area. You know what I mean? You still may be a little bloated. - I did that, or just be consistent about when you're checking in. You know, like, do at the same time, same, like, conditions. Like, have you eaten? Typically, you wanna do it, like, before you eat in the morning and stuff. But yeah, I mean, all of that, all of that plays a factor. And women, you know, your cycle matters where you are and your cycle matters. And also, like, I have a client who started a second guess our plan for, like, kind of going up in calories and macros and everything, because she saw a picture of herself that she didn't like. And I was like, okay, let me show you something. And women deal with this, all of us deal with this. Like, fit, not fit, whatever. You know, confident, not confident in yourself. Self-confidence is not just this, like, continuous. Like, I am always confident in myself. We all, we all have doubt. - I mean, 50, we're having the worst. - Yes, honestly, yeah. - Probably got started in fitness, because we were subconscious. - If I'm being honest, we probably have the worst, yeah. - It's something that we, like, have to be mindful of, but I do think we are more aware of how to, like, handle that than, like, not being, like, so immersed in it. - Like, going up, like, yeah, like, spiraling out of control, yeah. - Right, right. So, I wanted to show her, and I was having a hard time finding it, but, like, I had, over the weekend, been outside doing kettlebell stuff, and I was taking a video of myself, and I was, like, finally got the flow down, and, like, went to go look at it, and I was, like, ugh, I cannot post this. I look so bad, it looks like I have cellulite, like, and it was the sun being directly on top of me. And I was, like, okay, maybe if I just wait a few hours, like, I have the flow down, like, it's just good. I'll rest, I'll go chill for a couple hours, let the sun go down, and, like, see if it changes. I mean, it literally was night and day, like, literally and figuratively. It went from night to day to night, and it was, the sun was still out, but it was shining in a different place. It wasn't directly over my body grading, like, all these crazy shadows of, like, you know, my arms and my legs, and when you put the sun over here, so lighting matters, and I'm just, like, you can't let that influence you so much that you're, like, oh, I just quit everything, you know? It's, like, a photo or a video of you at a certain angle, like, you just have to, and also love yourself, no matter what, because I saw that video, and I was, like, okay, well, I don't wanna post that, but I also don't wanna be hard on myself, like, because I know I'm strong, and I know I got this flow down, that's the whole point here, you know, and it's like-- - Cool to post both of them to show, like, here's what two hours difference a lighting makes. - Exactly, I, that's a great idea, I might actually use that for a content idea, I'll give you credit, but a friend of mine did do that. She didn't use sunlight, but she used, like, literally just changing where the camera was, and she made a point about that, and she's a great coach, and she put, like, this is how my body looks so different from, like, a straight ahead angle versus this angle, and just know that, like, your body's gonna look different all the time, like, you might as well not stress yourself out, like, looking at it and picking yourself apart, like, just go to the gym. If you start doing that, just go to the gym and just work, or just, you know, like, go hang out with your friends or something, but stop hyper focusing on a photo, and then going, oh, well, now I need to starve myself, like, no, no, no, that's-- - Yeah, I think it's great to be able to-- - I'm not gonna help. - When clients, like, struggle with that kind of stuff, to ask about other metrics, right, like, are you getting better sleep? - Yes, oh, I asked that first. - Yeah, exactly, are you getting stronger in the gym? Like, is it actual metrics? Like, are you lifting more than you were two weeks ago? If you are, that means it's going well, right? Even though you saw some picture of yourself that doesn't look good, like, you are making progress, and things are moving-- - You're so right. Looking at other signs of progress is huge. - 'Cause there's, and I don't think a lot of people, all they care about is the scale and the mirror, but, man, you get into fitness, there are so many other things that happen. You don't even know what I'm thinking about. - Well, and the more you get into those other things, the more you see progress in all of the areas. Like, you see photos that you're like, oh, damn, I didn't know I was looking like that. I look good, like, that must be 'cause I'm focused on the weight I'm lifting in the gym and the quality of movement. 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Now we are here with our stretcher intellect from waxing the city Brentwood, right? Personally, I've never been waxed. I don't feel like it's appropriate to ask to have. I feel like I can't. - You can't? - I was like, I'm not doing that. - I'm not doing that. - You know what I'm saying? It's like, I don't want to end up on getting careful this week. - Just don't ask where. (all laughing) - Right, it's like now, all your women, now you're going to ask her to stab. She gets what? - Oh yeah, definitely been waxed. - Waxing the city, Brentwood, thank you for sponsoring our stretcher intellect segment. Do you have one? - Have one? Oh yes, I do. - No, have one? - Yes, so today, our fearless producer asked us to come up with our own stretcher intellects, and that made me really excited and then I really started over doing it. And so we had a settle on one. - Wait, you're here with you. What you landed on? I found a very terry like. - Let's hear yours first. - You wanna hear mine? Mine is just random, it's a check. - So this is, I'll let you guys know, I don't know if you guys know it or not, but I like to, I love to cook. And while I cook, I love to watch "Beating Bobby Flakes." So Bobby, if you just happen to be watching this, love your show. She's like my favorite on like the Food Network. - I hear you. - And Chef Jamaica. Only because she has the same name as my sister, and she lives here in Nashville. So Chef Jamaica, if you happen to be watching, please, you know, tap in with us. Anyway, all right, we know the chef has, right? The chef has to, that's self-wear. Do you even know what the foals in those hats are for? Do you know how many foals there are? So I'll give you one. There are a hundred foals in there. - Whoa. - I did not know that. That's gonna get like 12. - And a chef hat. - Wow. - Do you know what those foals are for? - Something about aerating, I don't know. - That's where you keep the rat. - Well, if you can't cook, yeah, yeah. - That's good. - So the hundred foals and a chef hat represent the hundred ways to cook a egg. - Interesting. - What? - Okay. - So who invented the chef hat? - I don't know. - Somebody who really likes, likes to cook eggs. - But apparently all the pleated white chef hats, technically called a torque, has a hundred foals for a reason. The pleats used to signify a chef's level of experience. Like the number of ways he or she knew how to prepare eggs. - Wow. I'm trying to count how many ways I'm trying to cook. - And next time, next time you go out, all right. - I know. - Next time you go out, I'm counting the pleats in myself hat. - I think I have more than five, but definitely not a hundred. - You've got five? - So you can boil eggs, you can blanch them, you can poach them, you can fry them, you can scramble them, you can, - So I bubblegump right now. - Voila shrimp. (laughing) - Voila shrimp. - Voila shrimp, oh man, what a great movie. That's actually one of the few movies that I can watch over and over and over and over again. I'm not gonna get tired of it. - I'm 100%. - Wow. - Has my best good friend. - Yeah. (laughing) - All right, moving on. I only came up with five, so I'll have to think of the sixth one later. - You gotta get to 100. - Oh, hard boil, oh no, I said boiled, yeah. - Well, you get hard soft. - Yeah, I guess you could split those, yeah. I said poached, blanched. - What's it called when you have a runny egg? Like a fried? - Over easy. - Over medium. - Over hard. - Over medium. - Over hard. - I feel like that's all the same as frying, though. Anyway, okay, so this one. Also food related. Bananas are berries, but strawberries are not. It sounds like I'm gonna read one fish, two fish. Red fish, blue fish. In botanical terms, a berry is a fruit produced from the ovary of a single flower with seeds embedded in the flesh. By this definition, bananas qualify as berries, while strawberries, which develop from a flower with multiple ovaries, do not. I didn't even know flowers have ovaries. - I just, that's my fun fact. - So yeah, there's the fact that it is of itself, a flower has ovaries. We can ask chat to GPT. - Well, you have, yeah, I mean, it makes sense 'cause you have to like pollinate it. - Yeah. - So you have to, has to be somewhere in there. - I mean, you have pollinate the right time of the month. - Right, yeah, yeah. - I feel like you could use this like metaphor to explain where babies come from. - I'm just doing that thing, you know? - I was like, okay, I can go there with you. - Your dad is a flower, and your mom is a flower. (laughing) - Tari's having that conversation right now. We're this so, we said flower. - That's how you keep it, we do 13. This is how you have the baby talk. - That's why it's called the birds and the bees. - So, wow, actually that just clicked. - Another stretch, your angel legs. She's like, I just got that. I was today years old, when I realized. - Day years old, wow. - Do you want to hear something funny? - Wow. - I have a fun fact that it has to do with both of these actually. - Okay. - So when my mom was, I don't know, six, seven years old, she asked her dad where baby's coming from. And he said he was cracking an egg one morning, and you open it up and she popped out. (laughing) And it went up, don't throw her in the pan, that's baby Carolyn. (laughing) - That's cute. - Yeah, it's interesting, right? - That's cute. I'd remember that forever. - Did she believe that until she was like 10 or 11 years old? - Of course. I believed a lot of things my parents told me for a long time, and then my friends at school would tell me like, what? - What? - It's you an idiot, and I'm like. - What are you talking about? - What are you talking about? - She's like, mom. - Right. (laughing) - I don't know if my mom would laugh at me. - So, well, in the skillet? No? He's like, what are you talking about? Why are you crying right now? (laughing) - I wonder if, Jerome, you're a parent. - I'm a whole life, no big deal. - How old is your daughter? - She's three. - Okay. I'm wondering if there's gonna be things that you told her when she was like this age that later she'll grow up and be like, but dad, you told me when I was three that blah, blah, blah. - Probably. - You're gonna be like, what? - Probably I have too much fun with that little girl, so. - I can tell. I can tell on your Instagram. - I tell her every random little thing. - I love it. - Yeah. Like, well, my wife's dad tells them that he got them from Walmart. - Okay. - So, like, ever since they've been like young, he's like, yeah, we went to Walmart and picked you guys up, and went back and got three years later and got another one. So, that's so, I don't know how long they believe that, but he still tells our story to this day, so. - That's funny. - I'm sure she'll ask my name. - That's how my kids are from Walmart. - Yeah. (both laughing) - I got you on sale. - My wife's dad cannot allow me to have the birds and the bees talk with my daughter. - They're having to roll back sale. - All right. Clearance. - Oh my God. Every time we go to Walmart, it's just like chaos. Like, it's either people chaos, or like, like, nothing is where it needs to be, but that's also targets. - Not a Walmart shopper, so. Unless you guys want to sponsor us, and then, this is my camera trend, right? - This is my camera? - Yeah, somebody. - Walmart, if you would love, you're right, you would love to sponsor the, you know. - Look at me. - Before I arrive, right? (both laughing) I thought she'd done some work, bro. I gotta stop talking, but I've actually done some work at Walmart before, and they're actually a great company to work with. - I know what, yeah. - I was standing in front of the Target logo one time, took a picture and tagged them on Instagram. It's about as close as I'm counting. - Did they retweet it? Or re-share it? - No, no. - No. - Okay. - They didn't even see it. - They didn't even see it. - They probably didn't even see it. (both laughing) - Oh man, Matt, before we get out of here, we like to let our guests have the last word. So, whatever it is, you know, it can be fitness related, be life related, that you want to leave our viewers with. - Please, man, the floor is yours. - Yeah, I think hearing you talk about your kid kind of made me go back to the reason that I'm so passionate about staying in shape. I think the reason I got started was, obviously for vanity reasons, there's part of the reason. But the more I got into it, the more I realized that that's a nice byproduct. But the real reason that I want to be healthy and strong and fit is I want to be there for my kids. I want to be there for my grandkids, you know? Like how great would it be to be, you know, 75 years old and running down the beach with your grandkids, you know? And kind of just having like a legacy, like that just lasts, you know? I don't want to be the, I don't want to be the old, you know, grandfathers just sitting in this chair all the time, you know? So that's kind of my why, I think, you know? My kids keep me going, you know? I love playing with them. And it's cool to see like kind of the before and after, like how active was I with them before? I discovered fitness and how active I am with them afterwards. And it's like night and day. - You have more energy when you lift weights. - That's true. - People don't think about the energy levels that you use. - Which is crazy 'cause you spend so much energy doing it, you think that you would have less. - Oh no, I spend like a top. Like all hours of the day, it's almost very annoying sometimes. - Honestly, that's one of the reasons I think I like to work out after work. Because instead of getting home and being tired and sitting on the couch, I get home from the gym and I'm just energized for the rest of the night. - How old are you kids? - So I've got a 12 year old daughter and a nine year old daughter. - Okay, do they work out? - Oh yeah. - Yeah. - My nine year old is gymnast. - Okay. - Right on. - Got to be a beast. - Oh dude. - Probably is already. - So we were here walking, we went to Dollywood water park a couple years ago. And me and her were walking down. And this 13 year old kid is like, "Dude, look at those abs!" And I thought that he was talking about me, but I realized, "No, I think he's talking about my daughter." - All right. - She's like totally like gymnast ripped. You know what I mean? - Let's go. - So strong. - How'd you feel in that moment? I don't know. - You're doing less. - See, you're such a good person, Matt. Cause you're like, "Oh, I'll do it for my kids. I want to be there and play with my kids." I'm like, "I'm like-" - I was like vanity. All of it. - Because I want to beat up my daughter's boyfriends. Like that's like, I want him to walk in and be like, "Yeah." - I want him to be here. - I know at some point. - She just said she's going to have to be here. - Yeah. At some point, that's going to have to happen. Hopefully I can prolong that as long as possible. But I just want him to walk in and be like, "Okay." I got to make sure I'm on my favorite. - Oh, you've got that cover. - Look out. - Yeah. - Look out. - Yeah. (laughing) - Yeah, like that little boy I probably would have pushed him in the pool. Like, look at those, you talking about her? - You talking about daughter? - Yeah. - Yeah. - That's exactly right. - You see me on the news and Knoxville getting carried out in Dollywood. - Man, it's the rest of the Hollywood. - For attempting to drown a little boy, more than six. (laughing) - So your reason is to intimidate teenage boys. - Man. - Yeah. - Yeah. At this point, teenage and early 20s, you know, hopefully- - I mean, my reason isn't necessarily kid-motivated, but it's definitely to do as much cool stuff in my life that I can. It sounds cooler when I say the cuss word, but I'm going to say stuff because we're PG-13 and we have respect, but you're welcome. But yeah, no, I want to be able to like do lots of things as long as I can because life is short and I want to be able to travel, I want to be able to move, I want to be able to like do things and yeah, I too don't want to be like chair bound, you know, at a certain point. And you know, I've seen that happen to people I know and it's hard, you know, because they also don't want to do that. They don't want to be there necessarily. - Yeah, I actually heard a stat a couple months ago that one of the, it was the single highest predictor of longevity is grip strength. - Bingo. - And not that there's anything special about your grip strength specific, but it's a proxy. - Are my clients listening right now? Did you hear that? Did you hear that? - See, okay, I heard leg strength because most people die from either falling or not being able to walk, stability like so well strength period really is what it is because you have higher muscle, you have stronger bones. It's really the organ of longevity. So it's just really I'm always thinking, well, yeah, grip is one of the first things to go with, you know, as we age because I can't see you, we'll know if you're throwing gang signs. But you see like older people, they struggle to like get the toothpaste out more and more, you know, and they struggle to like do things on, grab that like help me carry the groceries in. It's like, there's a reason for that. But also you're not wrong about the leg strength thing because we get shortened, like, I don't want to say shortened because I have a problem with that word, but hamstrings and then like, because we work in front of our body all the time, our hands and our arms are in front of us, not behind us. So I'm always focused on the back and the posterior chain, especially with older clients because getting here, that's when you start to shrink. And if you can keep those parts of your body open, like the anterior, like your chest and your shoulders and keep yourself, there's no such thing as perfect posture. And I know people are like, well, I need better posture. And I'm like, well, me too, you know, but good posture is moving posture to me. Just don't stay stuck in one position all day at your job and then never move like get up every 20 minutes and you'll be okay. But like strengthen your back. It's not going to be perfect posture all the time because I don't think I've ever seen someone sitting perfectly up, right, like this, all the time, naturally. It's not a thing. But you can have a strong back enough to like go, I need to sit up a little bit because I've been sitting all day and I've been slumped over. So I want to sit here and kind of open up my chest a little bit and the more regularly you do that, I think the more your body gets what you're trying to do. And you can stand a little bit taller for a little bit longer in your life. Yeah, but the other thing I'll say is just, I think it's never too late to concentrate on your fitness, right? Like I thought it was too late in my late thirties. I mean, you can start if you've never lifted in your life and you haven't lived a healthy life and you start in your 50s, start your 60s start, you know, there's this, there's this one Instagram, Joan, something or other. She started. I know who you're talking about. Yeah. She's got like millions of followers on Instagram. Yeah. She started lifting when she was in her seventies. And over a period of like, yeah, over a period of like three years completely transformed her body. Like she's crazy amounts of energy. Yeah. She's like deadlifting, pull-uping. She's fabulous too. I know. It's so inspiring to see that kind of thing because it's never too late, you know? Nope. I love, I love the, it's never too late. So I think we'll end on, it's never too late. Okay. See, again, she's just trying to remind us that no. Okay. Play homie. Okay. Is that a real? Okay. We'll talk about that later. The audience. Thank you. That's great. Clearly. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of the NFL natural fit magazine podcast. Thank you Matt for being here to my girl. Wow. Okay. Okay. Savvy. Savvy. Savvy. I am D's real web, but we'll see you guys next time you press play. All right, fit fam, that'll do it for today's episode of the NFL podcast. 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