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So I know me and Chris had an absolute phenomenal NBA season on the Propcast. So we'll be back next season of course for the NBA as well. But now it's time for us to shift our focus to the NFL. But join me as usual to help me break everything down now happening on the grass or turf wherever you might play. I got my main man. It's crispy cabin. Chris, what's going on? I'm a man. How are you doing? What's up? It's good to be here, man. I'm doing great. The summer is, I think it officially starts tomorrow. What is it today? Today or tomorrow? But either way, we're in summer mode already. It's a great time to kind of take a step back from the NBA like you said. We saw the Boston Celtics. Congratulations to them getting the Dallas Mavericks out of there and we shift our focus here. Like you said, I think it could be a little value out there as we kind of get ready for the NFL season and go through and do our due diligence and our homework. 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Chris, I thought we start, like I mentioned, we would start into the MVP market and we'll work our way throughout the other awards markets as well. And you know, I put together some data. I don't think it's something that jumps off of the page, but we know if you follow the NFL, that the MVP award is usually a quarterback award, right? And I think it's been since 2011 or 2012 where a quarterback has won the MVP. So since let's see here since 2013, I'm sorry. So 2012 was the last time a non quarterback won the award. And that was Adrian Peterson, where he had broken the single season record for rushing yards in a season, but since then, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes multiple times, Aaron Rodgers multiple times, and our latest winner got his second NFL MVP, which was Lamar Jackson last year, leading the Baltimore Ravens to the number one seed in the AFC conference. They obviously won the division. And I did a little bit more digging and I said, you know, is there any type of correlations that kind of come across these winners for the NFL MVP? So you know, we were briefly talking offline that share this, you know, simple chart with you. And it was pretty much that if your team has the best record in the NFL and they're the number one seed, that quarterback is more than likely getting the MVP for the season. And we've seen that for seven straight years now from Patrick Mahomes of Mar Jackson, Aaron Rodgers back to back years, Mahomes in the 2022 season, and then like I mentioned Lamar Jackson last season for the Baltimore Ravens and of the quarterbacks that have won since the 2011 season, every single one of those quarterbacks, their team has won the division. And also when and tied in the fantasy football perspective, that if that quarterback was in the top, it was either the best quarterback or was within the top five. So every single quarterback except for the 2021 season where Aaron Rodgers won, he was the sixth ranked fantasy football quarterback at the end of the year and then QBR as well as something I went back and looked at as well. I know a lot of people like looking at that as well. So since 2016 with Matt Ryan won, only two quarterbacks were not the number one rated QBR quarterback, which was last season Lamar Jackson in the back in 2017 where Tom Brady wanted where he was the third rank. So you're within the top four top five as far as QBR ago. So that was kind of the gist of it. I'm sure Chris, you probably share the same sentiments when you were looking at some of this data, but did anything in specific jump off to you before we get into the odds here for NFL MVP? No, I think, you know, we should have probably, you know, maybe we could have made a graphic with the chart, you know, because I think you did an excellent job with this, with this chart, just kind of highlighting, like you said, all those key, you know, data points, team record. You know, you're not going to get the MVP if you, you know, if your team doesn't have a strong record. And what's interesting on here, only agent Peterson, the non quarterback, was the only team that the only player on here that didn't win his division either, that won it. You know, so you, so you, so you could, you know, we can, you know, make our sprinkles for long shots and all those good things. But if we don't think that a team's going to division, it's almost like we shouldn't even bet on them, right? You know, or at least it shouldn't be, you know, you know, maybe four unit bets. So yeah, I like how the chart encapsulates, you know, the success of the players. Like you mentioned, the QBR, the playoff seed and all of those things are kind of tied together. To a, to a led the league in passing yards last year, you know, north of 4,600, two for 29 touchdowns and, you know, was in the conversation early. But of course, you know, ultimately didn't win it. So it's not correlated as much as I think most people think, you know, that is correlated with individual performance more so it seems like it's tied into team success a little bit more, right? And we talk about that when we talk about NBA as well. So to a Jared golf, Dak Prescott, Josh Allen, Brock Purdy, all of these guys were top five in passing. And of course, none of them ended up with their award. So yeah, definitely some things to kind of think about if you wanted to be really, really sharp about, you know, how you're kind of spreading it out if you are planning to make multiple bets on the MVP market. Yeah, and again, if we will get into the odds here, I mean, right now, like you mentioned, let me get over to the page here because I don't have it in front of me. So looking at the odds for this upcoming season for the NFL and I'll kind of start towards the bottom because obviously you're going to have a lot of your skill position players that are towards the bottom, right? Whether they're the wide receivers of the world or whether it is, you know, the running backs of the world, give me a second here, where is future? Here we go. Awards. And then we'll go to the MVP side of things here. So we'll kind of work our way up, right? And like you mentioned that, I mean, when you're talking about the long shots, I mean, they are long shots at the long shots. And I typically don't look past anything that's like around maybe 50 to one because I just don't believe that that type of player or has a chance to win. So right now, Russell Wilson on draft Kings is sitting at a hundred and one. Do I think the Steelers are going to be the best team in the AFC? No, I don't think so. And then you kind of work your way up from there. And then it's mostly a quarterback driven award, the non quarterback that has the lowest odds to win the MVP is going to be Christian McCaffrey, who's at 40 to one. And I understand it, right? Because again, we talked a lot about Christian McCaffrey last season and the season prior when he was traded over to the San Francisco 49ers and we know he's a game changer, right? He can rack up the receiving yard. He can have a 2000 yard, you know, rushing season. He can have a thousand yard receiving season, he can have 15 plus touchdowns and those are MVP type of numbers. So I mean, that's one guy I would definitely consider. And as you kind of go back, well, you know, kind of go through the odds here as the list goes on, Chris, it's pretty much, you know, quarterbacks that are at the top of the list. And then obviously with my homes being the favorite right now at plus 450. But when you looked at the odds that anybody outside of a quarterback that you want to mention that stuck out to you before we actually get to the list. Not at all. I mean, in the reason why was because like you said, man, it's been since 2012. So we talked about over a decade, right? So I know if I'm placing the bet, you know, it's going to have to be somebody that, you know, if it's a first of all, I'll say this. I think Terry kills plus P 75 to one and as much as, you know, explosive ability he has in, you know, how, you know, he can carry a team. I was watching, I was watching a Colin Coward show yesterday, you know, in Tom Brady was on there and he was talking about how, well, why receive a specific, he was talking about pressures of a quarterback to get their star receiver to football. And he says something that was really interesting and I knew this already, but it was a nice refresher. He said, you know, if you if you're playing against a pretty good defense, you can just the defense is typically going to shade towards that wide receiver, so you can take that wide receiver away from, you know, whatever the game plan is on the offensive side, then you have to go to your secondary stuff for you, the quarterback, which allows for, you know, some of that, the knee stuff and some of those, you know, wide receiver to wide receiver threes to be more successful. But that to me itself, you know, just screams that I can't take a wide receiver because if I want to take Tyree, kill out the game, we've seen, you know, not a lot of teams, but we see some teams have success, you know, doing that, you know, not just him, but otherwise wide receivers as well. So that eliminates the wide receiver, you know, conversation, everybody out of the wide receiver category. If I'm looking at running backs, like you said, Christian McCaffrey at 40 to one is definitely the, by far the best eyes, I think, in my opinion, but even him, like, you know, he's injury prone, even though he played really strong last year, you know, before last year, he, you know, was, was, you know, kind of nicked, nicked up in and out. And then we just got to think about the league and be honest with ourselves, you know, this is a passing league that we're a part of now. So when I think about all of those things, and like I said, cherry on top is that, you know, last 12 years, we have not seen anyone that's not a quarterback, you know, take home the award, it really just keeps it all to quarterbacks for me. How do you think about that, you know, a hundred percent being what you say. I think that the season where Adrian Peterson won well over a decade ago, he did something historic, and I know we're going to reference it a lot because we're NBA junkies. We usually see when it's the best player on the best team with the record that usually wins the award in the NBA as well, unless they didn't have something historic. And I think the last time we saw a player in my mind, and correct me if I'm wrong, Chris, that won the MVP in the NBA that wasn't the best player on the best team with the number one seed, I think was Russell Westbrook when he set the record for the most triple doubles in a regular season. So I think it'll be something like that that, hey, maybe a wide receiver breaks a all time receiving yards record. Maybe they break the along with it the receiving touchdown record for a running back, you know, breaking the record for the most rushing yards, breaking the record for the most rushing touchdown, something historic and also I think for the cherry on top would have to be is that that team or that non quarterback player, skill position wise, where there's running back whether it's wide receiver that that team had to at least win the division or at least make it to the playoffs at minimum for them to be considered for the MVP. But like you mentioned, right, we've seen a significant shift, Chris, in the NFL, where it's a passing league now and a lot of these running backs that aren't getting paid for a right for the reason because their shelf life, it's it's five years and then you see a decline with these running backs, but you also have to transform your game and you have to be the type of running back that Christian McCaffrey is, right? A guy that can run with the football and a guy that can also, you know, catch it out of the backfield. I think that's what it's going to take for these running backs to kind of transform their game. If they're able to do that, maybe that into that conversation though for breaking, you know, records and considering MVP. But yeah, I mean, it's pretty much like we talked about a quarterback award. It's pretty cut and dry in the NFL, you know, when it does come to the MVP award. So we'll, you know, we'll go through the numbers here, you know, kind of by, I think by, you know, odds when we from like 20 to like 30, you know, one to 40 to one, we'll discuss anything by we like what they're going to work our way up to the top of the list where the favorites are right now, but before we get over to that, uh, for this episode for the NFL MVP betting odds, uh, let me, uh, tell everyone about our friends over at underdog fantasy. 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So let's actually get into the odds here for the NFL, uh, MVP here. And, oh, so let me, I'm going to, I'm going to cut this off at 50 to one and we'll work our way up from there, but, um, did, oh no, we talked about the skill position players, but any quarterback, uh, with odds greater of 50 to one excite you or you would consider, uh, maybe putting a pizza or a steak dinner or a beer money down on man, I tell you the first one that jumped off to me off the page, you know, I see and I'm not the biggest fan of this guy. He played for my franchise, but, uh, current cousins, 25 to one on some books, but also 40 to one on some books and we know that he'll be, you know, returning from injury last season and we, we've seen what he's capable of, right? We've seen this guy go out and have, you know, really, really good seasons. Um, most of those were contract years and, uh, you know, make a lot of money because of the numbers that he's been able to, to put up, um, you know, so coming back and being, being a part of this offense, uh, they continue to, you know, struggle at the, at the running back position, which makes me think that, you know, the offensive numbers would have to, to, um, well, I guess the game plan will have to be to, you know, to keep the ball in his hands just a tad bit more. When I think about teams that don't run the best, don't run the basketball, that don't run the football here, you know, I'm definitely thinking about, you know, the, uh, the Minnesota Vikings. So, you know, like you said, if it was a piece of money bet, just because I can get it at, you know, 40 to one, um, you know, him returning, having some, some elite, uh, playmakers and some skill position players out there that's not particularly running back, it seems like every time Minnesota gets a good running back, they, they ship them away or they, they let them go. Uh, you know, maybe don't see the value in them. So, uh, yeah, Kurt, just because I see it at 25 on some books, 25 to one, but I see a 40 to one, uh, on Kurt. So I think he would be first, uh, you know, as we kind of, kind of bring our way up the, the roster, 40 to one overall fan door right now. Yeah. Um, I think the, the thing with Kirk Cousins, but not in a Kirk Cousins, but I think the situation that he's going into is that that division is, let's just be honest, Chris, it's the worst in the entire NFL, right? When you have Falcon, Saints, Panthers, and the Buccaneers, right? And we saw last year, the Buccaneers when it led by, uh, Baker Mayfield, I think for me, there's two ways you could attack this is that, yeah, you could get down on Kirk Cousins to win MVP, but I think with him with the, the, um, the injury that he is coming off of, I think he would be like a consideration for comeback player the year as well. Because a lot of times, again, it is a quarterback, I'm not sorry, not a quarterback driven award, but it's also really related to injury or an old man does something incredible. Like we saw last year with the, you know, Joe Flacco, uh, obviously the odds for Kirk Cousins for comeback right now are seeing at five, the one and these odds are much better and greater. But I mean, you mentioned, right? We've seen Kirk Cousins put up the yardage, you know, he's had Justin Jefferson, but I think that if they're able to use your weapons properly in that offensive system for the Atlanta Falcons where they have, you know, Bijon Robinson, they have Drake London, they have, um, Kyle Pitts, they have Tyler Adams here out of the backfield as well that we know what Kirk Cousins can do from a, you know, passing standpoint and going from playing at least eight games inside of the dome to another dome. Obviously, whether it's not going to be a factor, but I think the part that does make it be nervous about Kirk Cousins is what you mentioned, I come in off of the injury because he only played last year or was it eight games last year. And it'll be interesting how he does respond with, you know, moving from one organization and moving to another organization, um, learning a brand new playbook after what six seasons with the Minnesota Vikings, uh, that he was there. So, um, he's fully capable of doing a hundred percent, getting the touchdowns in the yardage and also being in a division where, yes, they can go out to win the division as well. So I think his name would be at least be in a conversation for, uh, MVP, um, for me, Chris, honestly, outside like the, what, where the shorter odds are for NFL MVP, like nothing really stuck out to me, um, Tyler Murray, 50 to one, maybe, but again, the Arizona Cardinals are in that NFC West division, where I do expect it to be a little bit down this year. I think a lot of people are not optimistic about the Cardinals this year, but I actually am. And I think that again, with Colin Murray coming back, you know, from that torn ACL, he was able to get the rust off last season where he did, you know, come back for a handful of games for this team, you add a dynamic wide receiver in a young stud like Marvin Harrison, junior. I mean, we saw what he was able to do at Ohio State and also the ability that Tyler Murray has running the football as well. Right. And I think that that's only to his advantage, something similar, uh, I should say to what he can do like Lamar Jackson is a run with the football, maybe not at Lamar's level, obviously because Lamar is just in a different, different class of his own when we talk about scrambling, uh, running backs. But I think Colin Murray, I think that one caught my eye Russell Wilson is a, a hell no for me because again, they have two quarterbacks there, um, in Pittsburgh and when you have two, three quarterbacks in your room, that typically means you don't have any quarterbacks, uh, in your room. So outside of that, around greater than 50 to one, nothing really stuck out to me. Um, I know a lot of people like you mentioned that Tyree Kills of the world at 75, the one, um, the, the top wide receivers, right, Justin Jefferson, I think this may be a down year for him. I wouldn't be surprised if it's not, but just because they have the quarterback change from going from Kirk. That's JJ McCarthy, um, Jamar Chase would probably be another name that people will be looking at for MVP because again, he's fully capable of just having those explosive plays and just racking up the yardage and the touchdowns. And a lot of that obviously is predicated on if Joe burrows able to stay healthy for this, um, Cincinnati Bengals team. So we'll move it over to where now the odds get, um, shorter, right? You talked about Kirk cousins at 35 to one, uh, around 40 to one. So again, we always say definitely shop around for the best numbers. So we'll go over to the next like category here, Chris. And we have Matthew Stafford at, well, let me start with Jared Goff and get your thoughts because we've seen, and I kind of wanted to isolate him here because teacher lines are now a completely different team after being so bad for so many years, right? They have a lot of great talent on their roster, um, at the skill positions. You have a great head coach that everybody wants to go out and play for. You're also in a division that obviously it's not Aaron Rodgers anymore. He owned for, I don't know how many years Kirk cousins has gone as well. The bears have the number one overall pick. So they're going to be, I don't want to say going through growing pains, but you know, um, good Caleb Williams there, Jordan will love. I think it's going to be taking the next step for the package here. So this division may be a little bit more open. I expect the lines to win it, but you haven't thoughts on Jared Goff at 40 to one because also he's a guy that we know that it can rack up the yardage as well. You can throw the touchdowns as well. The one concern that you do have is that if he's able to limit the turnovers, uh, for Jared Goff, would you have any thoughts on Jared Goff or Chris? Yeah. I mean, when we go to, when we go back, you know, to, to what we talked about in that criteria, uh, one of the division, we, we kind of anticipate that, right? So that, that would be a check, you know, early, uh, you know, early check. And, um, do we see, you know, um, do we see Gibbs step up out the backfield for them this year, right? Coming off as rookie season. Yeah. He played pretty well, uh, you know, dual, dual threat back and run it can, can catch it out the backfield dynamic playmaker as well. Um, how much does he help? Does he stay healthy? Cause we also see him get nicked up just to add a bit and miss a few game flat, a handful of game flash here as well. So, uh, when we think about team racket, you know, we expect them to, you know, I would kind of say dominate that division. And I know that they're going to be to hunt it now because for so long, they were, you know, hunting, but they went to division last year, played really, really well, exceeded everybody's expectations, even the people who had them playing better, then they had been playing, didn't have them playing that well last year. So the team record, I think we can check the box there division winner. I think we've already talked about checking the box there is really, I mean, he plays in the dome. So, you know, you're not really worried about weather concerns. I think that's another, you know, another check for him as far as, you know, weather conditions. Um, and I do expect them to have a pretty good year this year, you know, if I think, you know, another year in that system, playing on the Dan Campbell, uh, another year with some, you know, some pretty, uh, great, uh, playmakers and play catchers. You know, we, we talk about the skill positions at the wide receiver and tight imposition. We, we talk, we talked on them and they made us a lot of money last year, uh, the collective unit that they have over there. So yeah, I don't, I see them at 40 to one, him at 40 to one as well, you know, um, and I think that would be absolutely worth this, worth the sprinkle here, uh, looking at, uh, you know, somebody outside of, uh, you know, still being able to get at 40 to one for Mr. Mr. Jared golf. I see him down to 33 on one book, but, uh, 40, I think is absolutely worth a little piece of money as well. All right. What do you think? Yeah. And that's the whole thing with Jared golf is right. The number one, again, he's a, he's in a, he's in a division that number one that can win. And I'm just, I was just going back and looking at his numbers from year over year. And last season, look, Chris, he finished, I believe second in, uh, the most passing yards right behind to a, right, uh, to a led the league last year, 46, 24 passing yards, Jared golf, number two, 45, 75 had 30 touchdowns last year, which would I arrange? Let me see here, um, number four in the entire league. The interceptions were relatively down for him. I know he threw 12, which was the, let's see seventh most in the entire NFL, but I feel like now that Jared golf, he's in a situation where it's a good situation for him because again, like we mentioned, he has the running game. He has a great, um, offensive coordinator, he has the weapons around him as well. So I could, I really couldn't talk you off of Jared golf if you wanted to put something down for him. The only downfall is that his cube yard where last season ranked number 11th and the entire league, which obviously is not great when you look at the NFL, uh, MVP award because like we talked about it, um, it's a stat that maybe these voters possibly look at at, uh, for QBR and a lot of the quarterbacks that we talked about that previously, while they were top four, uh, for the entire, um, obviously the season and what led them to win the MVP. So, um, yeah, I couldn't talk you off of that at, at, at Jared golf, you wanted to put a little bit down on that, um, before we move over to more of these odds as we kind of creep up to the favorite here, uh, let me quickly take a second here and tell everyone about our friends over at rhythm. Hey, you were betting on the NBA finals and player props. Well, we're going to be talking about NFL props for this upcoming NFL season. 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So the next, um, two guys I wanted to mention, I'll throw three guys in the year as well. And then we'll work our way from 20 to 22 down to the favorite is Anthony Richards right now at 30 to one. It's a no thanks for me. I'll get your thoughts here in a second. Um, Trevor Lawrence, again, is it no thanks for me at 30 to one as well? And then another no thanks for me, uh, Matthew Stafford at 30 to one, any of those guys excite you? Nope. No thanks for me. And I'm pretty sure we probably got things. Someone's saying reasons. Hey, you know, yeah. Number one, obviously for Anthony Richardson, second year quarterback missed majority of this season last year, it's a shoulder injury. Um, so obviously him not having a lot of playing time at the professional level, um, is something that I don't want to get behind. I think these odds, if I wanted even consider Anthony Richardson would at minimum have to be 50 or 50, the one or higher, maybe even 75 to one or higher for Anthony Richardson. He's in a great system with Shane Steichen. I mean, we saw last year what he was able to do, um, without Anthony Richardson for majority of the season, he had Gardner Menchoo there last year. I think it's a little bit telling Chris that they also picked up Joe Flacko as their backup insurance ticket there, right? So in case that Anthony Richardson's not looking good or he's still, you know, dealing with the older shoulder injury or God forbid he gets injured again, that you have that, uh, insurance policy and Joe Flacko. So no, thanks for me. Trevor Lawrence. I think this next, this upcoming season or maybe the season after it's going to be the make or break year for Trevor Lawrence because he was coveted as coming out of Clemson to be the next great thing since or the, at least the hype that was around this guy was kind of Andrew Luck-esque for me and he just hasn't been able to live up to the hype. And I understand he had Urban Meyer there that maybe, you know, messed up his mentors and what they were trying to do over there in Jacksonville. Now they do have Doug Peterson there. Um, but I think this is Doug Peterson's third year now. I think this has to be your Trevor Lawrence where he does have a good year for this Jacksonville Jaguar. So even again, we talked about it for this AFC South division that they have a lot of guys, the young up and coming quarterbacks in this division, right? We just mentioned Anthony Richardson. My guys, he's a drought, um, tendencies and in a quarterback move as well, whether it's going to be Will Levis, whether it's going to be Malik Smith where they look to the future to draft another quarterback. So no, thanks for me on, um, Trevor Lawrence and then for Matthew Stafford, it's just the fact that again, he's, he's getting older injuries also pile up for him, he does have great wide receivers. Don't get me wrong, but he's also in a division that no, we talked about Arizona, Carla, Mariah, expect them to be better. You have San Francisco, maybe they take a step back, but I still them expect them to win that division also, you know, for Seattle. They're also a team that that's going to be feisty in that division. So for those three guys quickly here for me, Chris, it was a no for me. I don't know if you share the same thoughts as well. Yeah. Absolutely. To your last point, San Francisco taking a step back is still better than how many teams, you know? So, so you gotta, you gotta think about that when you, if you consider a Stafford, uh, and that's a really tough division. We, we, we, you know, some really good defenses. And I think when they play against each other, we see the best in that, in that division as well. Stafford, like you said, being a year older. And then for Richardson, I, I don't, I, I'm never really into betting quarterbacks in their second year, but, uh, I'm never really into betting anybody when they first come back. Cause it was, I threw Kirk cousins out there just because, you know, he's a, he's a much more, uh, much more seasoned, but with jobs, Richardson, you know, you, you didn't even get to play out your whole first year. So there's no way I can take you in, you know, in the second year, granted he, you know, did have some success early in the, you know, in the season before he went down, but, um, yeah, he has a lot of, uh, room for room for improvement specifically, you know, would be able to throw it up, throw the football, um, and be a little bit more versatile, not just using this leg. So yeah, I would agree with all three of those, you know, if I'm not looking to bet any of those getting over to the next block here, Chris, we'll go over to, uh, the last two guys that have odds 20 to one or a greater, which would be Justin Herbert at 20 to one and then two at 22 to one, uh, Justin Herbert for me, a lot of turnover in a Los Angeles, right? With the Chargers. No Keaton Allen there anymore. He goes over to the bears. Um, also Austin Echler is no longer there for him anymore and obviously now you have a college coach in Jim Harbaugh, uh, Jim Harbaugh coming over to this Chargers team looking to uh, turn this organization around because on paper for the past several seasoner, Brandon Staley, they had, I believe, one of the more talented rosters. It just wasn't able to translate to a lot of wins because some of the quarterback, sorry. So some of the decisions that Brandon Staley would make, you know, the aggression that he had on fourth quarter and what's received the demise of them being competitive in that division or even making the playoffs for that matter. So Justin Herbert, at least for this season for me, wasn't it to, uh, you can make the case for this guy because AFC East, I think is going to be a little bit down this year. I know Aaron Rodgers come back for the jets, Josh Allen with the bills. They lost the fond digs. He lost Gabe Davis, who is he throwing the football to, um, who's the other team on me? The Patriots, we know are in a, the dynasties officially over in New England, no more Bill Belichick, you have Gerard Mayo there, you drive to Drake May that, you know, to be that next up and coming franchise quarterback for you. So they're still in that rebuild mode. Uh, so I think to what's opportunity, like you talked about Tyree Killer earlier, they have Jaden Waddell when they have this type of a head coach there, uh, with coach with Daniels there, the offense that he's able to put together, the stats and the numbers are always going to be there for to us. So I would consider to, uh, I think there's an opportunity for Miami that they can be in the conversations for having the number one seed, but again, with to, uh, Chris, it's always injury, right? Last season he played in all 17 games where we saw prior to that, you know, having the concussion set he faced that previous year where he was a sideline for most of the year. So I would consider to it here at 22 to one, Chris, I don't have any thoughts on Herbert and to a. Yeah, I think, um, you, you took the words right out of my mouth and off the page when you talk about Justin Herbert being over there in, uh, in LA, you know, we talked about this last year. We did the same exact thing, man, one paper and last year they had more talent because, you know, like you said, Austin Ethel is now gone. He's in D.C. Yeah. He's in Chicago. So yeah, much less to work with over there, if you're Justin Herbert, you know, with, with the, the elite skills that that he had at some of those playmaker positions. And then like you said, with tour, he's the opposite. This guy has everything, right? You playing in sunny Miami down there is always nice and warm and, uh, you know, he got all the shiny tools, shiny toys down there as well, you know, so, um, I also think there's a, um, you know, I know you probably saw the video, he's, he's really, I guess you would say kind of got in shape, uh, lost a, you know, a ton of weight to us. Um, so hopefully that, you know, comes, comes, you know, to help them, not hurt them because you mentioned them being an injury prone, even though he was able to make it through the full season last year. Um, I think there's a, a bit of a, you know, um, a great factor for, for tour as well. You know, they had a very good season last year, but they didn't, I don't think see, exceed their own expectations. They got out the gate. Remember, they started off really, really hot and tour was in the conversation to win in the P and then as the season went along, you know, kind of dialed it back just a tad bit. So I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be upset at all. I think the odds are appropriate, but if I, you know, play or no play, I think this is definitely one that I would take looking at tour, uh, putting a sprinkle on him as well. Yeah. 100% again. That's always the healthy. So let me ask you, you mentioned the weight loss with to, uh, does Zuf, do you think that enables him to utilize his legs and running ability more? Cause we haven't really seen to, uh, to be that scrambling quarterback and it seems like he was, you know, pulling some weight when he was trying to run, uh, maybe this weight loss, you know, maybe enables him to utilize his legs a little more in this offense. You think that's a possibility here? Absolutely. As long as he lost the weight the right way and, you know, he was, you know, consulting with some kind of dietician and, you know, I'm pretty sure that their weight, you know, weight training, uh, program is, uh, you know, all on board. But hopefully he just hadn't lost his strength, you know, cause when you talk about a guy losing weight that, you know, is injury prone in the first place, you just, you know, worry about him and, uh, you know, him being, being smart with the football, uh, cause now, you know, he, to, to was a big guy. And when I saw him, I said, hold on, that's tool, that's the new tool. So, so yeah, I think, I think it does, to answer your question, you know, I think it definitely does, uh, you know, Bo, with him being a little bit more mobile, um, you know, trying to, trying to stress the feel, uh, you know, extend some, some plays, get to get the ball down to feel a little bit more to those offensive, uh, weapons. So yeah, I would, I would agree with that. I think it definitely bows towards his, uh, him using his feet a little bit more. And we know what he can do with, you know, with his arm. He can definitely sling that thing down the field. So absolutely. 100%. Uh, all right. Let's get over to, I guess, you know, maybe the cream of the crop here as we get over to quarterbacks that have odds 20 or less. Um, so we'll start here with three quarterbacks and I'm using draft Kings as my, uh, updated odds right now is Aaron Rodgers, Jalen Hertz, and Dak Prescott, all at 16 to one here, Chris. Um, I struggled with this block a little bit here. Um, Aaron Rodgers, like obviously a former MVP, but some of the things that I've read about him in the off season here, I, I, I, I'm not interested in Aaron Rodgers. Look, he could come out here and the voodoo stuff that he does and the weird stuff that he's, that he's into, uh, could cure his, you know, Achilles from last season and, and he could come out and look like Superman. But I just feel like that this, if this year isn't a success for the New York Jets, they're going to make a significant, uh, coat or, um, changes at their coaches positions, whether it's head coach, offensive coordinator, I feel like if Nathaniel Hackett, still that offensive coordinator there, I mean, we saw the catastrophe that happened when he was with the Denver, uh, tell us what's a Denver. Now gets the Denver, uh, Broncos, uh, that's not a guy. I know he's worked with Rodgers for several, several years and they have the weapons there, um, with the New York Jets with, you know, obviously led by Garrett Wilson, um, and that wide receiving group. But I don't know, Aaron Rodgers didn't really excite me there. He also in as a division, we talked about the Jets should be that team in that division. You know, we talked about the Patriots. We talked about the bills as well, uh, but didn't excite me there. Jalen Hertz at 16 to one. I specifically haven't been a fan of Jalen Hertz. I feel like he lacks that leadership, um, which could translate on the field for a team like the Philadelphia, um, Eagles. Again, I know this team on paper on the offensive side has a lot of great talent, but I think a lot of it with them adding say, Juan Barkley will take away possibly the numbers from Jalen Hertz because we know how dynamic Barkley is, right? Whether it's running the football, whether it is, um, catching the football. So I think that could take away from Jalen Hertz, uh, as well. Um, and then Dak Prescott is a, um, hell no for me as well. I, I'm not a dad. Look, that will get the numbers, but they didn't do anything in the off season here, Chris for him or for this team to really improve, especially on the offensive side. For Dak, I wouldn't consider him for MVP. I would maybe look at another market, whether it's offensive player of the year, because I know he can get the yardage. That running game is going to be nonexistent. So we're going to have to expect him to throw the football, but he's also in a division with the Eagles, uh, with the commanders and with, um, the giants that, you know, relatively could be competitive, but I really haven't been a Dak guy. And again, if, if CD lamb is, is, he's going to get fed the football, I would consider Dak not for MVP for maybe for offensive player of the year, is the market I would look at. But so none of these three guys here are really excited to be here. Chris, what about you? Yeah. So we'll, we'll, we'll start with where you, where you left off at, um, the, the thing for Dallas was what you mentioned for me as well. You know, if this, you know, I think this was, this was the, the team that actually made the least amount of moves. We don't see an upgrade at, you know, no, no, no additional wide receivers, no running backs. I guess they just figured they'd just run it back with what they had last year. And, um, you know, I think they could, they could use a tad bit more, um, in, in Dallas, in my opinion. Uh, so yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't get there with Dak. I also feel like even though he had a successful season last year, uh, that, that could have been a tip top for Dak. So we could see, you know, Dak start to decline just a tad bit, um, because I feel like he had such a, you know, such a good season last year. And then you, you also mentioned, um, Jalen hurts. And the point that you made about the upgrade at running back, bringing St. Juan over from, from New York, uh, is the biggest, uh, you know, factor in that department because we know the one thing about the, the, the, um, the Philadelphia Eagles and it's been this way, you know, since Andy Reed's been there. And before then, is that they, they are hard-nosed team. They like to run them football. Um, so I think that takes away. As you mentioned, Daquan is going, as long as he can stay healthy. Cause we know, St. Juan has a, you know, bit of a healthy, uh, health, uh, you know, scare as far as his career goes. But as long as he can stay healthy, you know, if I do think that they're going to try to be a well balanced attack and it definitely takes away like you mentioned. So yeah, I wouldn't take you, uh, any of those guys. I, I know that, uh, you know, if you're Philly, you, you want to be able to bounce back. But the, the way they went from, you know, tip of the top cream of the crop last year, to just me and those last five or six weeks, you know, you, you're just like, who, who is this team? That was scary. So if I'm, you know, if I even like Dylan Hurts, I would, you know, that would give me a little, little pause for some hesitation there as well. But so yeah, I'm with you, not, not any of those guys, you know, I'm, I'm wanting to better. And not based on the odds being that less than 20 to one. So the top seven guys here, uh, will go to Jordan Love, who's at, um, the number right now on draft Kings for him, 14 to one Lamar Jackson, 14 to one, and then a Brock party 14 to one, um, Jordan Love is intriguing, but I feel like that he probably needs one more season under his belt, um, to get that experience. I know that I think that there's a lot of potential with Jordan Love. We saw that last season with him, but we're talking about a quarterback that, is what I mean, a second full season already being as low as 14 to one. I think just a number doesn't excite me, Chris at 14 to one for Jordan Love. And we talked about it, I think for me personally, and I could be in the wrong here, I would rather take Jared Goff at his number at 40 to one in that division for MVP, then Jordan Love at 14 to one right now. And I just feel like that also for Jordan Love, like, can you trust the wide receiving group that is there now for this Green Bay Packers team, right? I mean, we saw a lot of drops with this team, you know, whether it was Christian Watson, whether it was some of these other guys that they do have there. That didn't really excite me. Lamar obviously is always in the conversation just because of how dynamic of a player that he is in, right? They're trying to improve the roster around him. You know, they're trying to add the offensive weapons at the wide receiving group. They got Derek Henry in the backfield as well, but we still know that Lamar is going to be able to utilize his legs as he has done all throughout his career. So he's always in the conversation. So at 14 to one, the last time a MVP won back to back years, or repeat MVP, I should say, was back in the 2020-2021 season, which it was Mr. Aaron Rodgers when he was with the Green Bay Packers. So again, I would consider Lamar here in this group. Brock Party has also, I don't know what else Brock Party has to do for him to win the NFL MVP award, because I think last year was his chance to do it. But now I think that there's more film and things like that on a guy like Brock Party. There's some uncertainty about if they're going to hang on to these guys, right? Whether it is Deebo Samuel, whether it is Brandon Nighyuken, whether it's contract situations, or just frustration of lack of winning in the Super Bowl or in the playoffs. I should say Super Bowl, because his team has been there. Brock Party does an excitement also, it is that you also have Christian McCaffrey, who is that shiny toy over there, that because when you talk about his Niners team, it's like, all right, man, we got Christian McCaffrey, we got this defense, we got Deebo Samuel, I feel like Brock Party's name isn't brought up. At the top of that top three list, when you talk about this Niners team for me, so Brock Party at 14 to one was also a pass for me. But Lamar Jackson is the one guy that I did have my list here, Chris. Yeah, if you mentioned it with Brock Party, like you said, the shiny toy, as long as he's a part of that franchise, or any franchise that he's going to be on, he's going to be Christian McCaffrey just because of what he brings to the field. His elite playmaking, whether you're tossing the tool in the backfield, throwing them a deep pass, handing it off to him, we go back to the yards per carry, he made us a lot of money last season, a bit shout out to our guy, right? But yeah, so not interested in Brock Party. It also kind of feels like what they want to prove to themselves, and I always think about this before any season starts, but they want to prove to themselves is not that they can have a good regular season. We see it's that Francisco had plenty of good regular seasons. They just got to get over the hump and be able to push that trophy at the end of the season. They want a Vince Lombardi. So yeah, not really interested in party there. And you mentioned, they got a bunch of, they got a really a bunch of other weapons, even outside of Christian McCaffrey as well without you being over there in that debo as well, if those guys stay. And then you also mentioned Lamar Jackson. Lamar is always interested to me, just because I know he won it last year, but just the style of offense that Baltimore runs, they run these Deacon Dump type plays and then every now and then they hit you with that home run ball. And we've seen Lamar just continue to get better, man. I think last year, he really wanted to bet on this up. We've seen him hold out for a really long time until they were able to get the contract that he absolutely wanted. And he did his thing last year. He was able to take this team really, really far into the playoffs last year. And yeah, it was a really good season for Lamar. So the odds at 14 to 1 don't surprise me as much. I think with some of these less than 20 to 1 odds, we will see or this potential to see anyway, some slip up from these teams early on. And then we could buy back. And I would say buy in when we get a little bit better, because 14 to 1 doesn't really surprise me. That's not anything that I want to bet on Lamar. But if Baltimore, for some reason, starts to season off a little last year, days are cool, two or three weeks into it, then I think we can get better eyes. Kind of reminds me of what we talked about with Luca, him when it finals MVP, granted he didn't. But when it finals MVP, you won't get better odds after they lose game one. So, and that's what we saw with Boston with a game one. So I kind of feel like that with Lamar, kind of using a basketball reference here. And then you mentioned Jordan Love. Jordan Love is an interesting guy, coming off a season where he threw for 32 touchdowns, only 11 interceptions. I remember Jordan Love when we started the prop cast at the beginning of the season. He was really, really struggling. I wouldn't say struggling, but really wasn't playing up to the way that he finished the season off. I think he finished what two interceptions in his last eight or nine games, and a bunch of different touchdown passes. So it really did feel like something clicked there, but I go back to what you said. Second year, these short odds. Now I think I'll pass there, just because there could be some regression that comes for Jordan Love. I like what he's done for for the Packers team. And I think he'll have a pretty good season, but not really wanting to lay too much with him either. I think he could also start off the season a little slow. And if he does, that would, you know, as he did last year, that could definitely, you know, present an opportunity where you could get better odds for for Jordan Love to win if you wanted to come back in on them after the first couple of weeks. Yeah, I 100% agree with that. Again, I think it's similar to a lot of sports, right? Not all sports. Sad. There's a particular guy that you'd like, and he'd look after schedule, and if they get off to a tough start to that schedule, I mean, you're going to get better odds as the season kind of progresses there. So I think that's one thing that we should mention here. I think that's a great point that you do bring up there, Chris, you know, not only for MVP award, but I think if that's applicable for, you know, a lot of the awards. All right. So let's get to the cream of the cream of the crop here on the top here. It's a top four guys, and we'll start here with Joe Burrow. That's currently sitting at nine to one to win the NFL MVP. My guy C. J. Stroud plus eight 50 Josh Allen plus eight 50 and Mr. Patrick Mahomes, one of last year's odds on favorite to win NFL MVP at plus four 50. And I'll start here with my homes because we talk about odds that could get better for you to bet on throughout the season. I'm not sure that's the case with Patrick Mahomes just because it's the name Patrick Mahomes and that if he does has one bad game where he goes out and throws two or 40 yards, two touchdowns, three interceptions. I don't think the number will move for Patrick Mahomes because he'll come back that next week and throw for 500 yards, five touchdowns, and then you'll get even worse odds for Patrick Mahomes. And I know a lot of times for people, it's not fun betting on the odds on favorite, but it's Patrick Mahomes for a reason at plus four 50. And it's something that somewhere we talked about in NBA, Chris, that it's it's the Nicole Yokey's of the world that Joel and Bida the world that if they're able to stay healthy, like those guys, you could throw in Janz's name there as well, that if they stay healthy, that you know, those guys are usually the ones that will be have the shortest odds when it comes to the end of the season. I think Patrick Mahomes definitely since that conversation. Josh Allen at plus eight 50. I don't know what's expect from his Buffalo Bills team coming in this year because they lost their two, you know, top receivers. Step on digs. Obviously coming over to the Texans. Gabe Davis going over to I believe it was a Jacksonville Jaguars if I'm not mistaken. So I don't know really what to expect. And Josh Allen's name is an MVP for the last, I don't know, three years where he just hasn't been able to, I guess, stay consistent because he is a quarterback that is turnover prone. And we've seen him throw the the interceptions. We've seen him, you know, the fumbles and when it comes down to those quote, unquote, those game of the years, I feel like the Buffalo Bills follow a little bit short. So I wasn't interested in Josh Allen. See just shroud. I think this is a ridiculous number for a quarterback on it to the second year. Look, he had a phenomenal year last year. And I think there's, let's pump the brakes a little bit. Look, I know what he's going to be capable of doing. But for this guy to be at plus eight 50 right now and I understand it, right? Because look, you added a number one wide receiver and Cefan Diggs, which I'm already nervous about because of his personality and that if he's able to, if he's going to be a locker room guy, that number one makes me nervous. But last year, even without Cefan Diggs, you had Nico Collins, you had Taint Delbut prior to the injury. And CJ Stroud was doing CJ's drought. Things was absolutely incredible. Can he go out and throw for and did what he did last year? Absolutely. But now that, you know, we talk a lot about the sophomore slump, Chris, that says CJ Stroud followed to the category. It's a possibility. But I think this is more me and my fan speaking. I know you'll probably provide better context on that. But for me, it's like, let's pump the brakes a little bit on CJ Stroud. Joe Burrow at 9 to 1, which makes me nervous here. Chris is that he's coming off that wrist injury and another quarterback that is injury prone, right? We've seen Joe Burrow. We know what he can do. He's let us see him all the way to the Super Bowl. But for me, it always comes down to health for Joe Burrow, right? He's had a torn ACL, the wrist injury last year, where he missed significant time for this team. So again, if he's able to stay healthy, yeah, Joe Burrow's going to be in that conversation. Because again, for the Cincinnati Bengals team this season, they're playing a last-play schedule where their numbers are going to look really good. You still have Jamaar chase there. You signed T against a one-year contract. So I want to see if I can find a 10 to one or better number, I wouldn't be able to talk you off of Patrick Mahomes, at least for the top four guys from me, Chris. I want to consider Patrick Mahomes. Again, if you're able to find a five-to-one out there, yes. And then Joe Burrow, if you're able to find a 10 to one or better right now on those two guys, Shaw Shaolin, for me as a no. And obviously my fandom of C.J. Stroud, I can't really justify this on Brad plus what 900 plus a 50 plus 900 here, Chris. So that's kind of where I'm out with the top four guys. Yeah, a lot of agreement here for me, me enough. C.J. Stroud, he had a absolute ridiculous career, season one. And as the season went on, people started to talk about him last year just because nobody, I don't think anybody expected him to be that consistent, especially in his first year. And that sophomore slump could come here. It'll be a lot of defensive coordinators sitting in their film room, trying to figure out what he likes to do and trying to take away some of those options, pick up on some of those habits. So I think that there is a little bit of room for regression for C.J. Stroud, even though I do love him, I love him just as much as you do. So I see him at 10 to one, but it does feel like C.J. should at least be 15, 20 to one. A lot of what you said, he's just the hype being brought up. I also think well, balanced attack we could potentially see as well. We got Joe Mixon coming over from Cincinnati. So that ups great upgrades or adds more depth to the running back position for the Houston Texans. So not as big on C.J. Stroud. I do like him. Like I said, I just don't like that. I don't think we're getting a lot of value here. Can you talk about Joe Barrow? My thoughts are your thoughts, you know, this, you know, super injury prone. I do love that he continues to have his weapons. Also, we just talked about Joe Mixon leaving. So not that they weren't already passing the ball enough, but they probably passed it even more, you know, so, you know, definitely helps with his, you know, his stats and, you know, him, you know, maybe when we get to where I receive it, we'll talk a little bit about some of his weapons and wanting to take some of those guys, you know, yards to go over because I think there's some correlation there. And then like you said with Josh Allen, this guy's super turnover prone name always stays, you know, in the top three, top four, as far as MVP betting. But I don't like that, you know, Gabe Davis is gone. I don't like the Stefan Diggs is gone. How is he still hearing, you know, when he's lost both of his number, his number one and number two weapons. So to your point, before I let you jump back in, you know, to your point, I know it's crazy as a sound, but Patrick Mahomes, I think is the look, plus 600, you can still get a 600 at bat rivers right now. And what's interesting is that, you know, for Patrick Mahomes, he opened at 600. And you mentioned something that was really, really funny to me and pretty interesting. You said, you know, Chris, if you, if you want Patrick Mahomes, this isn't one of those guys that the odds to go fall for, you know, if he has a bad game, you know, a bad game or two. And you're absolutely right. It opened at 400 and it's only one 600 left. This is already down to 450, pretty much on all sports books already. So, you know, I know, you know, some videos coming out of him coming in, training camp, looking like he's overweight, when the when the ball, you know, when that coin flip happens, you know, this guy is everything that we've seen so far says that, you know, you could, you could, you could trust on Patrick Mahomes to do it, you know, what it is that he does. Also, I think another interesting note to mention for Patrick Mahomes, we know that he's chasing, you know, trying to be the greatest, you know, quarterback in NFL history. Another MVP will move him into a tie for third most in league history. So, that's something that, you know, even with his high standard that he has for himself, I'm pretty sure he knows that. So, I would look towards, you know, Mr. Patrick Mahomes as well. You know, like I said, you can still get a plus 600 of one bat rivers and I see everything else is pretty much 500 except on draft Kings, they have a 450. So, the money's come in. I feel like it comes in a little bit more on draft Kings for these earlier odd awards before the season actually starts. And that's just because they have the most markets, right? So, people are looking at draft Kings, one of the biggest sports books. But, like I said, shopping around because you can definitely get, you know, one 600 and a couple of 500s out there as well. But yeah, how could we bet against this guy, you know? Yeah. And I just had to go and look at the Bill's depth chart here at their wide receivers. I mean, you go from Sifan Diggs and Gabe Davis to Khalil Shakir, Keon Cole, Curtis Samuel, Dalton Kincaid and you have MBS there. You had Chase Claypool, Matt Collins. I mean, these are all number two, number three guys that they have. And I really don't know. I mean, if Josh Allen goes out here and throws for 5,000 yards or let's just say, not even 5,000. This is a throws for 4,500 yards. I mean, more power to the guy. I mean, if you're able to do that with this wide receiving group and no disrespect to these guys, but like we mentioned, it's just, it feels like it's a big drop off from what Diggs specific was able to do. And I'm just talking stats wise. I'm not talking about, you know, the off the field stuff, the sideline stuff, when the, when the, when the, when he's throwing the football, we know what that was Sifan Diggs can do here. So yeah, yeah, it's, it's so all quickly recap the three, four guys that I would be putting my money down here, Chris, and then I'll hand it over to you. So, Patrick Mahomes, for sure. Again, definitely shop around for the best number. Joe Burrow for me as well. And then I would split it between Lamar Jackson and then Toa. And then if I had to pick one player that's not a quarterback to win this award, just for just, you know, just for fun or some, some, you know, some DJ action. I think Jamart Chase at 150 to one, I think he's fully capable of breaking the all time, receiving yards record would be my look there, Chris. And, you know, if you guys wanted something to generate there, what would you look at? You're three to four guys, and maybe if you wanted to throw out a long shot, if you want to. So yeah, we'll go long shot first. And it's only long because running backs don't win the award. So if I get 40 to one, you know, I'll, I'll take, I'll take Chris McCaffrey to continue to do with doing something special over there. You know, you just need them to stay healthy, of course. And we've seen, we've seen pretty not stay healthy. So that could lead to even more, you know, more room for, you know, Mr. McCaffrey to have it. So 40 to one, I know he's the, those are the shortest odds for running back, but they still, you know, 40 to one is 40 to one. So if I had to go long shot, I would look there. A couple of hours, a couple of hours overlap, you know, if it will go, I'll go shortest to longest here. Patrick Mahomes, like you said, plus, you know, you still get him at 61. But I mean, yeah, it's kind of self-explanatory at this point. We expect this guy, he's still in his prom, though he's coming off a championship, but the year before that, he was coming off a championship. So so so you just, you know, just expect as long as him and Andy Reid are together, they still have Travis Kelsey, you know, they, they, they re-signed Chris Jones as well on the defensive end. You just expect them to, to be a cream of the crop. And we know what formula, as you can kind of talk about it at the top of the show, you know, we know what kind of formula it takes to, to be in this, you know, in this conversation. So I do like Patrick Mahomes. You mentioned Joe Barrow, a lot like Joe as well, just because, like I said, with him losing mixing, you know, coming back from injury, it always feels like Joe has a lot to prove, you know, like he's always, you know, they have a really tough division that's going to be really, really difficult. So with him, you lose a mix. And I think that, you know, is more, more airtime for him to get Jamal chasing, you know, the rest of those guys involved. And then as we move down the, as we move down the line, you mentioned him as well, tour, you know, if I think he lost all that weight for a reason, he'd be a little bit more mobile. He also has a lot of toys, really, really shiny toys in the garage. So he can pull those bad boys out the tirey kills of the world, you know, the water order world. And, you know, just play Miami style football, which is leads to, you know, him, you know, being back in that conversation. So 25 to one, I wouldn't, you know, couldn't talk anybody off tour as well. So we'll go tour, we'll go, Joe Barrow, we'll go Patrick Mahomes, and then we'll go Christian McCaffrey is a long shot at 41. Love it. Yeah, I feel like me and Chris, all the episodes that we've done since we started in positive, we should like feel like we're starting to share the same brain and same thoughts here. So yeah, I mean, look, this was a lot of fun hour plus in the books. I didn't anticipate going this long, but I think this was a lot of great information and content. Kind of our thought process when we talk about these awards as well. And a lot of people sometimes don't like tying up their money, you know, for six, seven months here when we're talking about, you know, awards, but I think there's definitely some value, not only before the season starts, but also as the season progresses. But we'll be, you know, as we do, we'll keep an eye out for these odds as we kind of progress through the summer here. And then when the season officially does start, you know, we'll probably pop in a couple episodes, maybe like once a month, just kind of see the updated numbers on the, on these type of markets here, you know, nothing in depth, like we are going right now, but a little bit of rapid fire as we do here, you know, during the regular season. So that's, you know, first one in the books here, MVP, I think this is a great start here, Chris, you know, we'll go through the awards markets and then we'll, you know, get into some of those wide receiver running back, you know, stats as we do with the division previews and things like that as well. So definitely looking forward to it, a little bit of shit from basketball to the football side of things here with the pigskin. So I'm excited to get it going here for the prop gas for the NFL season. So with that being said, Chris, anything else you want to mention, my man, before we get out of here? No, I think, I think we did a pretty good job of covering it on, you know, if I'm excited for the, for the rest of the pause. Yeah, that's it, man. And, you know, enjoy the rest of the offseason as me and, you know, you know, continue to dive in and, you know, try to find some value for ourselves and for, for our listeners. And yeah, enjoy, enjoy whatever it is that you're betting right now, whether it's MLB, WNBA, like me, you talked offline, you know, get the Olympics coming up here. It's always something to better on. So do you do diligence and best of luck on all your action? 100% echoing everything Chris said. We'll be back probably next week, sometime we'll get into another maybe awards market or stat category. I haven't figured it out quite yet, but we'll be back in some form or fashion. But again, a reminder for you, if you haven't already, and if you haven't gone to this podcast is because you're probably not subscribed to the prop cast feed, make sure you guys do that, whether you're on Apple, whether it's on Spotify, make sure you guys subscribe to the prop cast on those podcast listeners, but also on YouTube. I know we were doing the NBA shows on the NBA gaming podcast feed, but obviously it's not big NBA. The prop cast has its own feed on YouTube. So we're on the march to get to 1000 subscribers. By the time the NFL season starts, all of our NFL live video, if you want to join us in the chat is going to be on the prop cast feed exclusively on the prop cast feed on YouTube. So just type in prop cast. SGP and you'll see it there. Join us for the NFL season. I know you a lot of you will, but we are on the march to 1000 subscribers for the NFL season. So join us on the prop cast and also on the audio podcast side of things as well. Make sure you guys subscribe to the feed. We want to grow the show. There's a lot of potential with the show. I mean, Chris, I've done a lot of great work for the NBA season. We want to translate that not only for the NBA season next year, but also for the NFL season upcoming up as well. But we can't do it without you guys. Make sure you guys follow Chris on X that's at crispy Captain with two P's and two N's. You can follow me there as well at Sports Nerd 824. We'll talk to you guys sometime next week. Get into the next category there as well. But till then, good luck with your bets. Let's break these books off and let it ride. [MUSIC]
The Propcast fires up its first episode for the 2024 NFL season! After a successful NBA season, Munaf and Chris shift their focus to the NFL as the guys dive into the 2024 NFL MVP award markets. Munaf and Chris discuss if the MVP award is shifting and if a non-quarterback can actually win. Next, the guys discuss the MVP odds and share a few players that possess some value to win the award.
